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Our commitment to Windows quality

• flenserboy 6mo ago
  the plan should be simple: fire most of your leads & new programmers. hire back anyone willing to come back with competence. return to the Windows 10 LTSC codebase. try again.
• Havoc 6mo ago
  This is a smoke break before they proceed to ram more AI and subscription model down your throat.
• mrandish 6mo ago
  The taskbar being nerfed is the main reason I haven't upgraded to Windows 11. The vertical taskbar he mentions first is critical but they need to bring back Quick Launch folders too.
• throw_winblows 6mo ago
  I recently took a vow to sneer less but it's really hard not to.
• dmitrygr 6mo ago
  This is too little and too late, but you must give them credit for having the introspection ability to even go this far. Yes, the bar for microsoft is so low as to be handicap-accessible.
• PaulHoule 6mo ago
  "...we are reducing unnecessary Copilot entry points, starting with apps like Snipping Tool, Photos, Widgets and Notepad." Great!
  • ceejayoz 6mo ago
    "… by making them necessary entry points! Muahahaha!"
    • palmotea 6mo ago
      > "… by making them necessary entry points! Muahahaha!" Starting with Windows 11 26H2, the Start Menu will be removed and replaced with Copilot. In order to use a locally hosted app, an externally hosted LLM will need to be instructed to launch it. The reliability is phenomenal: our testing has shown it can launch the right app with 95% accuracy.
      • amlib 6mo ago
        Users will also need to drink a Monster™ verification can every time they launch the start menu if they do not have a Premium AI PRO Ultra MAX account. Users may chose to skip verification process if they agree to the new EULA where it is stipulated that they must meet a weekly quota of Big Macs™ stamps. Failing that your Copilot™ Account will enter lock-down mode where a full document, body and facial scan must be "performed" to recover it.
      • PaulHoule 6mo ago
        What's the accuracy of the current Start Menu interface in real life? There's a certain amount of fat fingering which must be attributed to the software because software decisions affect the fat finger rate. Then there is all the other weirdness, the applications you can search for by name and the ones you don't, search results that appear and sporadically get updated later, etc. My take though is that Copilot does a better job with bash than it does with CMD.EXE or Powershell so the "AI Natives" will all ask it to install WSL 2 and then tell it to do things there.
  • cardamomo 6mo ago
    Great? Maybe! But this doesn't say, "We are removing Copilot from apps."
    • PaulHoule 6mo ago
      My personal opinion is "Copilot is pretty good as a chatbot [1] but don't waste your time trying anything multimodal." So I don't mind it at all, in fact I like it enough that I installed the app on my phone. I've got no interest in having it rewrite stuff for me in Word or for LinkedIn though. On the other hand, Microsoft is famous for killing something good (like OneNote) but spamming the UI with numerous entry points that will make you think "this is some piece of crap that Microsoft is spamming because nobody in their right mind would want it." That they are getting some self-awareness of this is a good sign. [1] I'd say Google's AI Mode gives consistently better answers (like use "vite-ignore" instead of writing a Vite plugin that doesn't work) than copilot with the reservation that if Google seems to get uncomfortable about a conversation it will end the conversation with a ten pack of search results whereas Copilot tries to simulate a person with healthy boundaries (e.g. "I will help you write a romance story but I won't help you write a sex scene")
      • g947o 6mo ago
        My own anecdotal experience is that Copilot doesn't even do a good job as a chatbot. I usually only use it in a few occasions where I don't have access to ChatGPT/Claude. And I could tell that. In one instance where I asked it to write a script that does a bunch of things, it provided a series of steps to do in the terminal. This is very off my typical experience with other chatbots. I immediately went to Claude which gave me a complete script that does exactly what I need.
  • iknowstuff 6mo ago
    Metrics must have showed disappointing results and they're trying to brand this as a consumer friendly move
  • SilasX 6mo ago
    Ugh. They horribly borked Notepad. The whole reason I use it is because it's dumb and simple. The moment you change it into a full-featured rich text editor with AI assistants and autocorrect ... you should just make it another app, because it's solving a different problem. At the very least, don't forget my font setting on the update.
• pndy 6mo ago
  Nothing on limiting dependence on online account/services and forced hardware requirements. The rest sounds like every text people could read for decades during Windows installation. Sorry Microsoft, some people already transfer to a different train because you offered a crazy ride.
  • chrisjj 6mo ago
    > forced hardware requirements ... like every OS ever.
• gzread 6mo ago
  Listen to their actions, not their words.
  • satiric 6mo ago
    Of course the proof in the pudding is in the eating, but just saying that they want to do this stuff is at least a slight improvement over before, where we mostly just saw apathy and enshittification. It's also a promise that people can hold them to if they fail.
  • stego-tech 6mo ago
    This. Microsoft has said similar things before, and always tripled down on bad behavior afterward. Their priority is business outcomes, not user experiences or support, and that’s why even this non-apology makes it clear the stuff customers, engineers, and support staff hate - invasive telemetry, outright surveillance/spyware, online-only requirements, AI-everywhere, constant arbitrary deprecation of APIs and endpoints for external tools to drive internal product adoption, refusal to support consumer technologies long-term (MCE, WMR) or do things contrary to everyone else (print drivers) - isn’t actually getting addressed. Don’t listen to the smooth talk. Plan an exit strategy now, before you need it later.
    • hbn 6mo ago
      > Plan an exit strategy now, before you need it later. The idea that we'll all be forced off of Windows one day sounds like a dream, but so far we continue to be in a state where myself and many other are long past the point of wanting to leave, but we can't for some reason or another. Microsoft knows that, which is why they've been able to do whatever they want and not worry about the consequences.
      • daveguy 6mo ago
        I keep a VM with windows on it. Unfortunately you have to purchase a license. Hopefully I'll be able to upgrade it like they've allowed since ~Vista. But now anyone tracking user agents knows I'm not using Microsoft. I didn't even put a browser on the VM. I have used the VM under 10 times over the past year and that's usually just to use Quick Assist to help others with their Microslop OS. Sometimes to deal with a particularly obnoxious excel file.
• nathanaldensr 6mo ago
  "Our Commitment to Gaslighting Everyone with Corporate Marketing Language"
• Someone1234 6mo ago
  They're saying all the right things here. Fixing long-standing complaints, removing Copilot from obnoxious places, improvements to Windows Update and Windows Explorer stability/microstutter/lag, etc. I congratulate them on seeing sense, and I congratulate Apple on another victory with the Neo. Kind of frustrating that's what it took for Microsoft to finally listen to their userbase.
  • binsquare 6mo ago
    Don't congratulate yet until you see actual outcomes. The author of this commitment is the same person (Pavan Davuluri) spearheading move of Windows into an Agentic OS: https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/windows-president-confirms-os-will-become-ai-agentic-generates-push-back-online https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/windows-...
    • xvector 6mo ago
      Absolutely nothing wrong with an "agentic OS", agentic UX is the future of personal computing. The ideal is that something intelligent understands what you want to do and gets it done. Unless you really think we've reached the pinnacle of user interface with repetitive clicking around and menus. The problem is with shoving AI down user's throats. Make it an option, not the only option.
      • as1mov 6mo ago
        > The ideal is that something intelligent understands what you want to do and gets it done. I think you and I have very different meanings of "intelligent", "understands" and "gets it done"
      • gjsman-1000 6mo ago
        We've already been through this when people a decade ago thought voice was the future of the computer. When that completely didn't work, we thought that augmented reality was the future of the computer, which also didn't work out. You need a screen to be able to verify what you're doing (try shopping on Amazon without a screen), which means you also need a UI around it, which then means voice (and by extension agents which also function by conversation) is slower and dumber than the UI, every time. Meanwhile I have yet to see any brand excited to be integrated with ChatGPT and Claude. Unlike a consumer; being a purely "reasoning-based" agent, they're most likely to ignore everything aesthetic and pick the bottom of the barrel cheapest option for any category. How do you convince an AI to show your specific product to a customer? You don't.
• andrewstuart 6mo ago
  If the people in charge of Windows have to solicit customer feeedback to fund out what’s wrong, then I guarantee you the real problems won’t be fixed. These people don’t even know their own product.
• VectorLock 6mo ago
  Big PR pushback against the Microslop sobriquet.
  • itopaloglu83 6mo ago
    Not a course correction, but a reaction from some engineers who are tired of getting mocked by everyone.
• deleted 6mo ago
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• hyperhello 6mo ago
  “We hear you and will improve quality” is bullshit code. It means “we figured out our strategy long ago and you’re not it”.
• daft_pink 6mo ago
  to me it went off the rails when I couldn’t get local search from the start menu in windows 8.1
• ivl 6mo ago
  > More taskbar customization, including vertical and top positions: Repositioning the taskbar is one of the top asks we’ve heard from you. We are introducing the ability to reposition it to the top or sides of your screen, making it easier to personalize your workspace. I wonder if this will include being able to put it on the non-primary display once again. It's not mentioned, but that was one of the biggest frustrations with Windows 11. It seems their focus is exclusively on single display devices. It also ruined my flow for my flight sim until I found a workaround. The fullscreen window wishes to launch to the primary display, which means losing the useful bits of the taskbar. I love what they're saying, but my faith in them is very, very is low.
  • alashow 6mo ago
    I thought this was already possible before?
    • aprilnya 6mo ago
      I think what ivl means is that the secondary-screen taskbars don’t have anything on them… just apps and a clock. So no tray, no quick settings, etc
  • wvenable 6mo ago
    I cannot recommend StartAllBack enough.
    • ivl 6mo ago
      I used that for a time, but it's licensing made me move to WindHawk.
      • wvenable 6mo ago
        What's wrong with it's licensing?
    • hbn 6mo ago
      I recently managed to configure StartAllBack to make practically everything look like Windows 7, and it's improved the experience ten times over
• paradox460 6mo ago
  I was expecting a 404
• delta_p_delta_x 6mo ago
  This is good to hear, as someone who has used basically nothing but Windows since 2000. I haven't stepped off the Windows train yet. I use Linux at arm's length for my homelab's hypervisor and at work, but my daily driver is still Windows 10. I must be the only one to write something like this on HN, but I sincerely like Windows' technical fundamentals and architecture; its design is sensible and extensible. And very frankly I prefer the developer experience on Windows, where you can write a (relatively) high-quality native desktop application with purely first-party tooling and release a single, tiny (~10^4 bytes) executable that quite literally runs anywhere. The Windows API surface area is huge and developers can write entire multi-domain programs without ever looking for a third-party library. This probably sounds like a lot of copium, but I feel like recent events like the rising costs of memory and competition like the MacBook Neo will light a fire under Microsoft's arse. I really hope some of the AI overboard in Windows 11 is rolled back over the near future. They should migrate core Windows applications back to native and CLI technologies, actually support and maintain these without chasing the next big thing, and release frameworks for safer compiled languages like Rust, Zig, and Odin, and allocate more resources to F#.
  • mfro 6mo ago
    Windows is still a solid 'gets out of the way' operating system (with numerous tweaks, customizations, and stripping) when it works. If they focus on fixing UX issues and improving stability and performance, it may be enough to slow the rise of desktop Linux. Better support for F#, or really any language other than C# is a longshot though. Those resources were likely 'reallocated' to AI R&D indefinitely.
    • delta_p_delta_x 6mo ago
      > Windows is still a solid 'gets out of the way' operating system A good way to put it. There are third-party tools that Microsoft really need to adopt to make Windows a bit nicer (WizTree, VoidTools Everything, adopt improvements from Total Commander, make more PowerToys default), but broadly it is still a decent OS. There are issues like slow `CloseHandle()` because of Defender (which needs to be a bit less zealous), and maybe more first-party adoption of WinGet. On the other hand, every time I use desktop Linux I get some paper cut because some edge case that I just don't ever think about is broken on Linux, whether it be my multi-monitor high pixel density layout, my USB audio interface and peripherals, or my touchpad sensitivity and gestures that Windows was widely derided for in the early 2010s and suddenly after 'Precision Touchpads'[1] no one ever complained about again, or random GPU glitches even on Intel/AMD integrated graphics that I have literally never seen on the Windows desktop, or poor battery life (Windows somehow gets 2-3x the battery life of Linux).
• apitman 6mo ago
  I'm not sure these problems are solvable once a company gets big enough and incentives completely take over. It's like the hands are trying to sew a parachute while the legs are sprinting towards a cliff.
• grafda 6mo ago
  Feels like screaming "please don't leave us, we will now build what you ask for". On the one hand, this is great to hear, but on the other side I wonder how much this will matter. Apple is now winning on the hardware other than offering a better UX experience. But they also have lost their touch with it over the years!
  • onemoresoop 6mo ago
    > Feels like screaming "please don't leave us, we will now build what you ask for" And when all is good and everybody's too busy to pay attention we'll force feed you an update that will revert all changes to what we want.
  • kiicia 6mo ago
    Because it is just cheap damage control. They somehow remembered only now about things that should be there since the very beginning.
  • smusamashah 6mo ago
    These are not improvements, its not even a good bait. I don't care about their stupid taskbar anymore. I 100% believe that any improvements they are promising will be so tiny it won't matter.
• FifthTundraG 6mo ago
  Talk is cheap. Show me the changes.
• the__alchemist 6mo ago
  I am sus. Optimistic but sus. I am hoping for some combo of: - MS doing what they say here. (Uphill battle given the perverse incentives others have mentioned) My gut says Windows is going to be *worse* vs better, and I am willing to settle for stagnating... - Linux desktop makers taking UX, ABI/linking compatibility, and "just works" seriously. It's like you could take the good from both and discard the bad, but it hasn't happened yet.
  • itopaloglu83 6mo ago
    It sure looks like a PR campaign to take the attention away from how bad the things are, and I need to see it to believe it. Also, why couldn't they make this announcement as they release the taskbar change. Taking away the most basic features and bringing a few back doesn't mean things are improving, it means things are getting petty. There is no reason for the start menu to take 2 seconds to show up on a computer with 8 CPUs running at 4GHz. We all know that they're completely half-assing everything now.
    • the__alchemist 6mo ago
      Yea concur. "Here's a patch and here are the notes" vs "Here are the notes for future efforts" would be more credible!
  • yjftsjthsd-h 6mo ago
    > Linux desktop makers taking UX, ABI/linking compatibility, and "just works" seriously. Would you settle for 2 out of 3? UX is improving, and things get more polished every year, but we've mostly settled on shoving things into some sort of package (container, flatpak, snap) alongside all its dependencies specifically so we don't have to actually stabilize any sort of ABI
    • the__alchemist 6mo ago
      Yep. Will take what I can get! Re the flatpacks, snaps, docker etc. Yea... I don't like those much more than the Apple/Google/MS app stores. They don't have the perverse incentives, but are still setting up friction points vs being able to just have an executable work, expect to work in 5-10 years, and work on diff distros. (This is something MS actually does right; possibly the best thing about Win) I was coincidentally just updating old softare I wrote, and I just ripped out the snap, RPM and Debs because I can't be bothered to maintain all of them.
• drob518 6mo ago
  It feels like Windows is old and tired. Remember when Microsoft and Intel seemed unstoppable in the 1990s and early 2000s? The momentum is no longer there. The latest bad decisions around AI for Microsoft are just the straw breaking the camel’s back.
  • BoredPositron 6mo ago
    It feels like a live service game that went on for too long. Like world of warcraft or fortnite. We need a windows classic release asap.
  • rleigh 6mo ago
    When they used to have to fit the whole thing onto six floppy discs, it had to be constrained in size and scope. Today there are no constraints and it really shows. I think having hard constraints, be it storage, memory, cpu, update distribution, product requirements, drives quality and forces hard engineering decisions to fit within them. I think a lot that is wrong with Microsoft of today is a complete loss of enginering discipline and focus; you only have to look at the incoherence of their GUI development strategy to see how badly they are doing there. I think it would have been useful for them to have really made a proper effort at modularising Windows along the lines of how Linux distributions and the BSDs do things. I can't see any way of recovery from the bloated mess they have created; they can't keep cramming any more in, it's an unstable, unusable and untestable mess.
• drschwabe 6mo ago
  Too little too late, open source Windows 7 and give it a new 10 year LTS commitment then we can talk.
  • SpecialistK 6mo ago
    What does 7 offer over a LTSC version of 10/11 that open source couldn't fix?
    • bigyabai 6mo ago
      A user interface that wasn't designed in the middle of 4 identity crises.
      • SpecialistK 6mo ago
        You mean Metro/Modern? I never see it anymore, and to be honest I prefer the 10 look over Aero, despite being a Millennial vaporwave fan. I haven't spun up 7 in years and years, and I don't miss it at all. But OS X 10.4's Aqua was the peak. But also, why wouldn't UI changes be possible if the source was open? I remember WindowBlinds and patched uxTheme.dll in the XP days, and that was /without/ source being available. So in this hypothetical, what's stopping hackers from backporting the things they like about 7 to 10 or adding more rounded translucency?
• albert_e 6mo ago
  We used to be able to make any folder a popup menu on taskbar, including any subfolders. Served the need for quick shortcuts to whatever we need within 2 clicks. Sorely miss it in Win11.
• bronlund 6mo ago
  It’s Better To Ask For Forgiveness Than Permission
• _fw 6mo ago
  Something tickles me about describing the forced inclusion of Copilot as “entry points” in things like Notepad. It reveals Microsoft’s intentions SO precisely. They aren’t trying to add Copilot in useful ways for their users. They’re forcing it into Notepad when they know it doesn’t fit there, because it might be your “entry” into their slop generator. User experience be damned, these shareholders must have their value.
• dsr_ 6mo ago
  Reminder: companies don't go on PR blasts without cause. Being cynical about tech companies is always a good bet.
• 1970-01-01 6mo ago
  Dave P. has the same take in a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTpA5jt1g60 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTpA5jt1g60
• frou_dh 6mo ago
  It's got to be somewhat depressing working on a household name product in its trashy downturn. Surely you can't have the pride in your work that an equivalent employee once would have.
• deleted 6mo ago
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• mococa 6mo ago
  Microslop strikes again with lies.
• hnburnsy 6mo ago
  Left or right task bar placement, finally!
• JohnFen 6mo ago
  Windows has been going downhill for too long for me to take them at their word. I'll believe it when I see it. > Windows is as much yours as it is ours. Microsoft has been inflicting unwanted crap on me for years now, and they keep expanding with more unwanted crap (even to the point of wanting to force people to have Microsoft accounts) as time goes on. Reading this line actually made me laugh out loud. No, Microsoft, you don't believe this even a little.
• kevmo 6mo ago
  Microsoft needs to be broken up.
  • miyuru 6mo ago
    I don't think there will any thing to broken if they go down this path. They are still investing in AI, when they should be investing in ARM. Apple silon is winning developers, even enterprise and with NEO the entry level market where MS was king.
• rco8786 6mo ago
  > More taskbar customization, including vertical and top positions: When did they get rid of that?
  • ivl 6mo ago
    With Windows 11. In 10 and prior you could even move it to other monitors, just by dragging and dropping it. It's baffling they thought that functionality was a bug that people wanted 'fixed'.
    • pndy 6mo ago
      Didn't MS rewrote whole panel again in W11? Surely they did that in W10 to re-implement Start menu they removed in W8
      • BoredPositron 6mo ago
        It's a react app now.
      • twobitshifter 6mo ago
        Yes, 10 has many more features, like the cool drag out menus, pinning and folders
    • numpad0 6mo ago
      They rewrote it in a binary compiling web thing, and not all features were in the baseline requirement.
• xnx 6mo ago
  Sounds like a big "Under New Management" announcement after Mustafa Suleyman was demoted.
• zombot 6mo ago
  Are they microsofter in the brain than MicroSlop? MegaSlop? GigaSlop? Reading "Windows" and "quality" in the same sentence already triggers every bullshit alert in the book.
• throwuxiytayq 6mo ago
  Too little and too late. I’ll believe it when I’ll see it. And so far everything I’ve seen has told me to abandon ship. Even if you reverse course, you’d need a miracle to make me trust you anytime soon. This is how goodwill works. Easy to burn, hard to earn back. I’m not touching any products by Meta, Google or Microsoft, and none of them are getting me back on board with a cute blog post.
• xnx 6mo ago
  > Faster and more dependable File Explorer: ... more reliable performance for everyday file tasks. This would be great. It's still easy to freeze up File Explorer when moving thousands of files. The same operation from the command line works fine.
  • sakesun 6mo ago
    I'm glad they explicitly mention File Explorer. As a person solely use Windows for decades, I've naturally developed a very deep allergical behavior of avoiding to touch File Explorer as much as I can for years. Hope they could help fix me. I really need VSCode-like experience for files management.
• rgovostes 6mo ago
  To demonstrate the seriousness of their commitment to Windows quality, you can now move the taskbar to the left side of the screen. No no, it's not vaporware, they even included four screenshots. Everyone can rest assured now.
  • as1mov 6mo ago
    > you can now move the taskbar to the left side of the screen Windows 11 is finally catching up to MATE desktop (which is maintained possibly by a single guy from their basement), what a time to be alive!
    • bigyabai 6mo ago
      Hell, taskbar positioning was a feature on Windows 10. They're just pretending like they didn't remove it for brownie points.
      • t-writescode 6mo ago
        10 … 8.1, 8… 7, XP… 2000, 98… maybe 95…
        • card_zero 6mo ago
          Indeed, as illustrated in Inside Windows 95, Microsoft Press, 1994: https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_microsoftwindows951994_48927446/page/181/mode/1up?q=%22taskbar+in+an+alternative+layout%22 https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_microsoftwindows951994...
    • mikestew 6mo ago
      Windows 11 is catching up to Windows XP.
  • twobitshifter 6mo ago
    A feature they removed due to their inability to make it performant in Windows 11 A feature that existed as early as win95. The most requested change in user voice, since the earliest windows 11 betas.
• 1970-01-01 6mo ago
  MSFT @ 52-wk low. Quality go up as they cling to fundamentals?
• baal80spam 6mo ago
  Please don't tell me you're falling for it?
• Mesopropithecus 6mo ago
  Funny how Windows copies KDE (features and trajectories), almost 18 years after KDE 4.0/4.1. Also makes me feel old.
  • p_ing 6mo ago
    If you were old, you’d know KDE copied the UX from Windows.
• nickburns 6mo ago
  Lifelong user and 11-year Insider Program participant (i.e., since the literal start of the program). Just this past January I implemented something on my workstation I should've done a long time ago: outbound filtering all network traffic via so-called 'Windows Defender Firewall with Advanced Security'. I've also skipped more Insider builds in the past two months than I have in the past 11 years. The only thing keeping me around at this point is the migration overhead and (at least I tell myself) window 'snapping'.
  • timpera 6mo ago
    Yeah, window snapping is great. I can't believe Apple still hasn't copied this feature.
    • tedd4u 6mo ago
      Just get Rectangle. https://rectangleapp.com https://rectangleapp.com https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/use-this-awesome-trick-to-get-window-snapping-on-your-mac https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/use-this-awesome-trick-to-g...
    • philistine 6mo ago
      Huh, they have! For the last two years! https://www.macrumors.com/2024/06/12/macos-sequoia-window-tiling/ https://www.macrumors.com/2024/06/12/macos-sequoia-window-ti...
      • timpera 6mo ago
        You're right, but it's nowhere near as polished or powerful as W11's window management. You can get there with Rectangle or Raycast though.
  • richardlblair 6mo ago
    The first thing I did when a mac was handed to me by an employer was find an app for window snapping. It served me well. I went back to windows, using WSL in 2017. In 2023 I got sick of how everything was getting progressively worse and switched to linux (which has window snapping). I'm never looking back.
• bygbyron3 6mo ago
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• scblock 6mo ago
  This is vague lip service with little substance, as far as I can tell. That is unsurprising consider it's from Microsoft and it's about Windows. It addresses (in cheap words) a few real pain points, but completely fails to address the dozens of either incredibly painful and stupid decisions MS has made. On the subject of what they address, I have thoughts and many doubts. > Integrating AI where it’s most meaningful, with craft and focus Just don't, bro. Don't do it. I don't want copilot icons in all the system apps. None. > More taskbar customization, including vertical and top positions This feels like it's too little, too late. They redesigned the UI in yet another toolkit and in the process broke something had worked for decades. Perhaps they could add a 147th different UI toolkit with a different look instead, just to change things up. > Reducing disruption from Windows Updates Would be welcome, but I have my doubts. MS has shown clearly they don't care. > Faster and more dependable File Explorer See comment on task bar above. > More control over widgets and feed experiences Get out of it. If I see one more stock ticker on a screen share from someone I know does NOT track the stock market I'll know you for the lying liars you are. Don't promise "more control" just stop being so invasive and annoying. On the subjects they didn't address, I have feedback: - Remove advertising from the start menu, the system, apps, everywhere. Just remove it forever. - Remove invasive telemetry. Again, forever. - Respect user choice. Stop trying to force things to open in Edge, ignoring my default browser. I am a Firefox/Zen user, keep a single (other) chromium-based browser around for sites that don't work right (another rant for another time), and try not to touch Edge if I can help it. - Stop turning the bundled native apps into crappy web apps. "New Outlook" is a real tire fire. - Make the default Edge page ANYTHING but the advertising and nasty "news" summary that shows up. Why not a simple search page, like when Google was new. - Stop making start menu searches return web results instead of local apps - Make start menu searching actually search in a useful way. Why does QGIS not show up when I type GIS? Because it doesn't start with Q? That's garbage. Make it work how users would expect it to work. - Let people say no, fully and completely, to OneDrive. You can make adding it later easy at user discretion, but don't ask to set it up automatically. Don't use fear mongering like "your files are not backed up" to try to trick people into signing up for it. - Local accounts should be easy, not a nasty workaround with a moving target for instructions.
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• lemoncucumber 6mo ago
  Reminds me of when they finally apologized for the train wreck that was IE6 [1] and resumed Internet Explorer development in the 2000s after Firefox came along and started eating IE's market share. In this case it's the MacBook Neo that's causing them to get off their butts and reinvest in the quality of their software after letting it stagnate for years, but the pattern is the same: rest on their monopolistic laurels until competition makes them feel threatened, then magically start caring about their users again all of a sudden. [1] https://www.crn.com/news/channel-programs/183701230/gates-offers-mea-culpa-for-internet-explorer-development-lag https://www.crn.com/news/channel-programs/183701230/gates-of...
• protoster 6mo ago
  So why did they make taskbar bottom only in the first place? Too difficult to implement? Branding? No room for ads when it's vertical?
  • hbn 6mo ago
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong cause I don't recall where I got this understanding from, but I believe Windows 11 still has the Windows 10 taskbar, but a startup process basically hides it and replaces it with a brand new one they made for Windows 11, built with web technologies. And they probably just never got around to figuring out how to put it somewhere else on the screen since they didn't inherit that behaviour from before.
    • dude250711 6mo ago
      The assigned LLM junior could not prompt out the required <div>s.
    • contextfree 6mo ago
      It doesn't use web technologies
  • twobitshifter 6mo ago
    Performance. They couldn't even handle seconds in the clock on win11 release.
    • nickorlow 6mo ago
      It cracks me up that the toggle for this advises you that it will cause your battery to die faster
      • p_ing 6mo ago
        Displaying seconds on macOS also causes higher CPU usage for WindowServer.
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• bobmcnamara 6mo ago
  Is this April fools? The fix is upside down UI?
  • xpe 6mo ago
    If Bill is reading this: Another way to commit to quality would be (a) fund a $200M+ open source foundation to migrate/port/rewrite all of Windows (drivers, utilities, applications) to Linux; (b) give the foundation full IP rights to do so; (c) put all Microsoft Windows employees on the effort too.
    • the_pwner224 6mo ago
      Bill definitely wouldn't approve of the current Windows quality. This email by him (2003) is very interesting. It looks like he was powerless to stop the degradation. https://web.archive.org/web/20080626154537/http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/141821.asp https://web.archive.org/web/20080626154537/http://blog.seatt... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=227045 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=227045
      • zipy124 6mo ago
        This email has given me a lot more respect for Bill gates.
        • bitwize 6mo ago
          The guy's still a narcissistic asshole and likely sexual predator, but when even Bill Gates says the UI sucks on Microsoft products, you know the rot runs deep.
        • xpe 6mo ago
          Definitely a wild read. Bill has a certain style of writing; here is my favorite part: > So I gave up and sent mail to Amir saying - where is > this Moviemaker download? Does it exist? > > So they told me that using the download page to > download something was not something they anticipated. > > They told me to go to the main page search button > and type movie maker (not moviemaker!). > > I tried that. The site was pathetically slow but after > 6 seconds of waiting up it came. > > I thought for sure now I would see a button to just go > do the download. > > In fact it is more like a puzzle that you get to > solve. It told me to go to Windows Update and do a > bunch of incantations. That's just the beginning.
• onemoresoop 6mo ago
  Talk is cheap, I want to see heads rolling, head of whoever was responsible with the all the disastrous windows 11 decisions. Till then I won't touch windows 11 and I'm not the only one.
  • grujicd 6mo ago
    Let's start with those who thought it's a good idea to give power over UI decissions to designers using Macs.
  • AndroTux 6mo ago
    That'd be Nadella's head then. Not that I'd be complaining, though.
  • kmoser 6mo ago
    Disastrous decisions like ads, phoning home, and AI integration? I'm pretty sure MS brass considers those smart business decisions; even if those features fail, they will attempt to pivot them to something more successful rather than roll them back and admit defeat.
  • bloggie 6mo ago
    Well the guy who wrote the blog post seems to have been in charge of windows for the last 2 years so he’s still at it.
  • tasuki 6mo ago
    I have the opposite feelings: I'm rooting for them to continue and utterly destroy Windows for everyone.
  • zanellato19 6mo ago
    Executives always justify their own bizarre salary by saying that they make the decisions, but they never lose their position when those decisions are shit. They fire a bunch of developers and "refocus" like this article. The labor, who probably were against a bunch of this shit in the first place, take the blame.
• mugivarra69 6mo ago
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• dethswatch 6mo ago
  #noconfidence
• dude250711 6mo ago
  I was hoping for: "We understood the insanity and the insult of trying to replace native UI with cheap web stack imitation and it will never happen again".
  • layer8 6mo ago
    Well, the article does say: “More fluid and responsive app interactions: Reducing interaction latency by moving core Windows experiences to the WinUI3 framework. * Improving the shared UI infrastructure that Windows experiences rely on, reducing interaction latency and overhead at the platform level * Faster responsiveness in core Windows experiences like the Start menu, by moving more experiences to WinUI3”
• HelloUsername 6mo ago
  > "A more relevant Recommended section in Start will surface apps and content you care about most, with clear controls to customize the experience or turn it off" How about, turn it off by default?
• ChicagoDave 6mo ago
  No one wants copilot. You can make it an app, but any OS level integration is a non-starter. My next laptop will be a MacBook Pro. My Surface Laptop 5 will be collecting dust in case I need it, but that’s highly unlikely.
  • nixpulvis 6mo ago
    So Apple Intelligence doesn't bother you?
    • sgt 6mo ago
      Have you even tried it? I'm a Mac user for 20+ years and I'm running Tahoe. Not once have I ever thought about Apple Intelligence. I don't even notice it. I think you have to switch it on.
      • nixpulvis 6mo ago
        Yes, that's my point though. It's not about being built into the OS, it's about being controllable.
    • ebb_earl_co 6mo ago
      Is it incontrovertibly built in to macOS? I have an iPhone and have never enabled it or Siri, so maybe there is similar off switch for macOS.
      • hyperhello 6mo ago
        It’s like Siri, or spell check, if you don’t use it you turn it off and it doesn’t bother you again.
    • packetlost 6mo ago
      Apple Intelligence has a global off button that actually works. It's unobtrusive anyways. Copilot on the other hand...
• krashidov 6mo ago
  Do they still serve ads when you click the Start button?
  • lithos 6mo ago
    They serve ads in notifications. Of course start still has them. (Work computer can't go to Linux, so stuck witnessing the mess)
• iknowstuff 6mo ago
  Oh, someone's feeling the heat of MacBook Neo and getting pressured by their hardware partners. > More taskbar customization, including vertical and top positions: Pfft. Still slow, react-based, and ad-riddled > reducing unnecessary Copilot entry points, starting with apps like Snipping Tool, Photos, Widgets and Notepad. Must have failed to meet the metrics goals > Reducing disruption from Windows Updates You can bet they will still flash the screen take-over riddled with all the dark patterns in the world to get you to upload all your files to their cloud "for backup" > Faster and more dependable File Explorer [..] quicker launch experience: Oh, the preloading of explorer into ram before it's launched? Lmao. Entirely embarassed by File Pilot https://filepilot.tech https://filepilot.tech gtfo.
• ThePowerOfFuet 6mo ago
  >Our commitment to Windows quality LMAO
  • userbinator 6mo ago
    That was my reaction too. "What quality?"
• timpera 6mo ago
  This is awesome! Windows 11 is the best OS I've ever used, and it's great to see them finally fixing these obvious pain points.
• zsoltkacsandi 6mo ago
  So now that Apple released Macbook Neo, Microsoft has started to care about Windows quality after a decade?
• dainiusse 6mo ago
  Lol
• natas 6mo ago
  we've heard that before.
• himata4113 6mo ago
  I didn't switch to linux because windows was bad. I was running LTSC IoT Enterprise and selectively ran scripts from AtlasOS. What finally pushed me to linux was because specifically in my narrow usecases it's just plain better, but if we were to completely ignore that, even if linux was worse, I just don't want to support evil companies anymore. Now I'll admit that this is what AI would say, but it's not always about what is better, it's about sending a message, a message that microsoft appears to have heard loud and clear, however, we will have to see if this is just PR or not.
  • Intermernet 6mo ago
    I dual boot LTSC and Fedora. I find myself using fedora more and more, but I need Windows for a couple of apps that don't play nicely with Wine/Proton (Ableton Live 12 mainly).
    • himata4113 6mo ago
      I recommend using one of those windows in a vm containers that just stream the application over rdp/x11/vnc. It looks like a native app depending on your desktop.
      • Intermernet 6mo ago
        Problem is that ableton needs really low latency audio. Can't get that in a vm.
        • himata4113 6mo ago
          hmm direct pipewire sink seems to be negligeable, but you could always pcie passthrough an audio card if you need latency to be measured in microseconds.
          • Intermernet 6mo ago
            Thanks, I'll do some experimentation!
• gred 6mo ago
  Three years too late, in my case. I've moved on.
• _-_-__-_-_- 6mo ago
  So, you're giving us back features that we've had since Windows 95, but shittier?
• pixelpoet 6mo ago
  Too little, too late; I've already switched to Linux last November and never looked back. Microsoft Copilot 365 Operating System App is just trash, plain and simple.
• natas 6mo ago
  I recently had dinner in Bellevue with an individual who holds a relatively senior position within Microsoft’s executive leadership. During our conversation, she emphasized repeatedly that Microsoft does not primarily view its offerings as consumer products. According to her, the company’s leadership is strongly focused on B2B strategy, with revenue growth driven mainly by Azure, AI, and enterprise solutions. Her perspective was that consumer-facing products are not the primary revenue drivers and, therefore, are not central to executive priorities. While this may not be surprising to some, what stood out to me was how emphatically she underscored that the company’s strategic focus is squarely on enterprise customers rather than end users. That said, this business model has historically proven effective for companies such as IBM. Microsoft allocates its resources toward segments that offer meaningful revenue growth.
  • hyperhello 6mo ago
    I recently saw this comment. You made it a few weeks ago, copy and paste identical.
    • itsfine2 6mo ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47223342 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47223342
    • mholm 6mo ago
      Not OP, but I've got a friend of a friend in the Windows org that backs this up. Most engineers are teamed up by manufacturers. HP team, Lenovo team, etc. These are the primary drivers of feature development. If it won't sell grandma another $500 HP laptop, they're not interested.
      • DoctorDabadedoo 6mo ago
        It's B2B/Enterprise in the driver's seat to keep revenue coming. Usability and polishing of the products is locked in the trunk of the car. source: been there.
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• adamtaylor_13 6mo ago
  Too little too late. Linux can finally handle 90% of the gaming I want to do, and I'm willing to "suffer" not being able to play the other 10%. Microsoft has proven itself the undisputed king of enshittification and a blog post will not change my mind on that. Maybe my grandkids will give it a shot.
• oofbey 6mo ago
  > Windows touches more people’s lives than almost any technology on Earth. Thankfully Ballmer failed and this isn’t even close to true. I, like a lot of highly technical professionals, have been Windows sober for many years now.
• NKosmatos 6mo ago
  Is this a joke? Is this guy for real? And he calls himself a REAL engineer? He’s a manager doing damage control because all this time Microslop is greedy and has stopped caring about power users. We’re not first time users, we don’t want Microsoft BOB as our UI, we don’t want ads and internet search “functionality” in our Start menu, we don’t want AI everywhere and we don’t want things hidden from us. Make Windows 11 Pro for real pro users and 11 Home for new users. I hope a few people from MS are reading this, especially Mr Engineer. I’m going to get downvoted for this, but I don’t care. P.S. Yeah yeah guys, I know about Linux ;-)
• mosura 6mo ago
  The question here is what metric at Microsoft was bad enough for them to make a post like this?
  • greenchair 6mo ago
    the neobook methinks
    • mosura 6mo ago
      Aha, yes the resulting OEM freakout would do it.
  • thefilmore 6mo ago
    https://x.com/tim_cook/status/2034979891926769864 https://x.com/tim_cook/status/2034979891926769864
• xbar 6mo ago
  I am not convinced that Microsoft is all of a sudden deciding to try again to become a consumer-oriented company based on something Pravan Davuluri says. Seems more like FUD.
• devinprater 6mo ago
  > Integrating AI where it’s most meaningful, with craft and focus. Spoken like a true AI.
• SoKamil 6mo ago
  No ads. No upselling. Being able to completely ignore Microsoft account and install offline. No telemetry if that’s what user decides, no opt-in - single dialog during installation. No dark patterns. That’s what people want.
• arikrahman 6mo ago
  Glad I made the move to Linux when I did. The taskbar being moveable would've passed as satire if it wasn't an offical post.
• sergiotapia 6mo ago
  It's crazy how windows blew its dominance isn't it? Even for gaming, the only reason why I would stick with windows is not an issue anymore. Thanks to Steam gaming just works on Linux. I'm using Omarchy and it's very easy. I can't see ever going back to windows personally.
• AJRF 6mo ago
  It's like watching someone wake up with a very bad hangover. I am doing my part - I managed to get 6 people in my family and friend group off Windows onto Debian last year. All positive feedback so far :). Sure it's only a small victory - but a meaningful one to me.
• chasing0entropy 6mo ago
  In Ctrl+f t find "remove copilot"... Wasn't in there. Thumbs down
• surgical_fire 6mo ago
  Too late man. Linux made Windows obsolete. There's no going back for me.
• dmos62 6mo ago
  I'm somewhat surprised that Windows is still most of personal computers. In my eyes, it's fundamentally inferior to Linux, and its superficial superiority only comes from the ecosystem, which is to say adoption, not some inherent trait. But then, since Linux adoption didn't meaningfully change in the last 20 years, I'm forced to confront the fact that either I'm wrong about its fundamentals, or the market is able to be irrational for longer than I find reasonable. Either way, Windows in my mind, represents a world I'd like to leave behind. Apple too, btw.
  • adamddev1 6mo ago
    Drivers for laptops. Do all the sound cards work flawlessly? Is the power usage/battery life similar? Sadly this is a big part of what holds it back.
  • advael 6mo ago
    As I tell all my friends panic-switching as their shit breaks, the best time to switch to linux was ten years ago. The second-best time is now
    • NetMageSCW 6mo ago
      Or there’s never really been a good time to switch to Linux and now is the worst time.
      • advael 6mo ago
        Sounds as dumb to me as it does every other time someone says it, but to be fair I never really acquired the taste for corporate boot
  • odst 6mo ago
    I've been interested in moving my windows machine to Linux. Do you have any recommendations for distros to use? Last time I used Linux was Linux Mint. It was fine, but definitely felt less polished compared to Windows or Mac OS
• kayhantolga 6mo ago
  "What came through was the voice of people who care deeply about Windows and want it to be better." I gave up a long time ago hoping Windows would get better. At this point, I just hope it does not get worse.
• mkirsten 6mo ago
  Interesting headline. And I start reading as a MS skeptic. Maybe they finally got it? Maybe MS have realized why Windows really is so crappy. I read the first entry, bolded, in the bullet list. It reads “ More taskbar customization, including vertical and top positions”. I press snooze and get on with my day
• EastSmith 6mo ago
  I've used Windows since 3.11 and I am using macOS for 5+ years now for work (requirement). Switched to Linux on my personal devices 2 years ago and using Ubuntu and PopOS! on two different laptops. I've had very small number of issues. Can't understand people moving to Mac - it is the same messed half backed OS as both Windows and Linux (flavors). With the llms these days, any linux issue is fixable within minutes. With Linux at least I don't have to worry about privacy.
  • heap_perms 6mo ago
    Yes! > With the llms these days, any linux issue is fixable within minutes. I think this point is really it. What in the past needed a 40min google search to fix something, llms now fix it in seconds.
• vadepaysa 6mo ago
  > File Explorer is one of the most used surfaces in Windows. Our first round of improvements will focus on a quicker launch experience, reduced flicker, smoother navigation and more reliable performance for everyday file tasks. Really? it took "user feedback" for one of the world's best software companies to realize one of the most fundamental parts of the OS was broken? I have been long on $MSFT for a while now, but my faith as an investor stands shook.
  • sota_pop 6mo ago
    An org Microsoft’s size doesn’t do ANYTHING without 2 or 3 focus groups and an executive retreat.
    • vadepaysa 6mo ago
      haha, thats a good unsername.
• zug_zug 6mo ago
  Whatever, I'm just counting the time until I can drop windows entirely... right now I just need it for gaming, but I'm thinking maybe Valve's OS will be the replacement
  • mattstir 6mo ago
    I can't guarantee a great experience, but anecdotally my brother and I have had no issues in the last ~12 months playing all types of games on Linux. Only games which require kernel-level anti-cheat are unavailable. Otherwise, Proton and native clients (when available) have been rock solid, and I've been surprised that some games (like Minecraft) actually run much better than in Windows.
• smartmic 6mo ago
  Interesting how often they use the word „craft“. For me, a sign that AI fatiguge is a real issue, not only among Windows users. Good, maybe a small, first step towards down-regulation of the hype.
• Grimblewald 6mo ago
  This reads like the way they'll try to implement is """ ok copilot, implement these changes, make no mistakes """ Having learned absolutely nothing from their existing sins.
• jiggawatts 6mo ago
  “Improved Feedback Hub” is a code for “The corner that we told the plebs to scream into was close enough to the executives that they could hear some of the angry swearing, so we moved everyone over to a padded room in the basement where they can’t bother anybody.”
• deng 6mo ago
  If you want to know how serious to take this, just look at this gem: > Enhancing Search: [...] Clearer and more trustworthy results, with results from content on your device easy to understand and clearly distinct from web results So yeah, you still get web results in your search bar, a feature absolutely zero people want and which is just there to fake Bing success, just with a little divider now next to the applications the search failed to find.
  • stevage 6mo ago
    Not just me then? Those integrated search features have been around for so long, and always irritating. I use macOS. Same problem. Searching your computer or searching the web are fundamentally different tasks. I'm curious if anyone actually approaches them the same.
    • jumpman_miya 6mo ago
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    • icedrift 6mo ago
      I don't like that default on mac either but in their defense it's super easy to customize. I turned off all but applications and my documents folder for spotlight search.
      • int0x29 6mo ago
        Last I used OSX (the version prior to the current latest IIRC) not all of the "suggestions" could be turned off
      • user34283 6mo ago
        It's also easy on Windows: The kebab button next to the search results takes you to Settings -> Privacy & security -> Search Switch off Bing.
  • wnevets 6mo ago
    Its one of the first things I turn off.
• fleroviumna 6mo ago
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• torben-friis 6mo ago
  >Windows touches more people’s lives than almost any technology on Earth. Every day, we hear from the community about how you experience Windows. And over the past several months, the team and I have spent a great deal of time analyzing your feedback. What came through was the voice of people who care deeply about Windows and want it to be better. >Today, I’m sharing what we are doing in response. Just these words are already off putting. The extremely careful wording to avoid anything minimally resembling recognizing an issue. It's ok to say we fucked up. It's empowering. Not being able to do it is a huge red flag.
• breve 6mo ago
  When the context menu in Windows 11 is aggressively worse than the context menu in Windows 10 I'm not sure what quality Microsoft is committed to.
  • rjh29 6mo ago
    Hiding most of the items by default and making it really hard to restore it! I had to try 3 different obscure methods to get the old context menu back. Which just tells me what I already know - Windows is actively hostile to power users, and they should be on Linux. Leave Windows for the less technically confident who need that stuff hidden away.
• hirako2000 6mo ago
  > pause updates for longer when needed > all while reducing update noise with fewer automatic restarts and notifications. Pause for longer.. why not just stop. And resume when wanted. Fewer automatic restart. What about no automatic restart. I couldn't read any further. Mind bended leadership to think this sort of wording after the obvious fiasco would make users hopeful. I stopped using windows personally 15 years ago. My mental health improved right away. Forced to use Windows at work, I finally got liberated 4 years ago and my mental health got even better. I refuse since then employment forcing me to use this OS. It's a health hazard, always has been.
  • 190n 6mo ago
    Later in the post they expand on that point: > More direct control over updates, including the ability to pause updates for as long as you need So it does sound like you'll be able to pause updates forever and also therefore not automatically reboot.
  • sonofhans 6mo ago
    > “why not just stop” Because most regular people will never choose to turn them back on, that’s why. We already know what the world looks like when millions of computers run an unsecured OS. Last I heard, a stock Windows 98 machine lasted 30 seconds online before being compromised. Automatic updates are good, and they’re here to stay.
    • b65e8bee43c2ed0 6mo ago
      next up: an automatic visit from your friendly neighborhood policemen to install a camera in every room of your home. we already know what the world looks like when millions of "adults" are allowed to "do whatever they want" in the privacy of their homes.
    • Spivak 6mo ago
      Looks like you'll be able to pause them indefinitely with the new update so we'll see if this prediction comes true. Most computers will spend their entire life never once exposed to the public internet, the firewall does still work even if a cafe is your threat vector, and browsers and AV definitions are still automatically updated so I'm siding with the doubters on this one.
• nu11ptr 6mo ago
  > fewer automatic restarts No automatic restarts! I understand that in our security patching world that patching and restarting automatically is the default, fine, but there absolutely should be a dead simple way of disabling auto restarts in settings. I'm fine if it pesters me to restart or whatever, perhaps with growing alarm the longer I wait, but it should always be optional in the end. There are just no words for how bad it can be for mission critical workloads when your computer restarts without your consent. Please make disabling this simple.
  • kstrauser 6mo ago
    I disagree, at least on end-user devices as opposed to servers. If you make it possible to defer updates indefinitely, users will. Guaranteed. Doesn't matter how urgent or critical the update is, how bad the bug or vulnerability it patches is, how disastrous the consequences may be: they'll never, ever voluntarily apply them. If you're running a server, and willing to accept the risk of deferral because 1) you're in a better position to assess the risk and apply compensating controls than a regular user is, and 2) you're OK accepting the personal risk of having to explain to your boss why you kept deferring the urgent patch until after it blew up in your face, then yes, you should have a control to delay or disable it. But end users? No. I use to believe otherwise, but now I've seen far, far too many cases where people train themselves to click "Delay 1 day" without even consciously seeing the dialog.
    • JohnFen 6mo ago
      The real sin is combining security updates with feature updates. An argument can be made for enforced security updates(1). There is no good argument for forcing feature updates. Most security-only updates have a low risk of interfering with with the user or causing instability. Most feature updates have a high risk of doing so. (1) Although I think there should be some way of disabling even those, even if that way is hard to find and/or cumbersome to keep the regular users away.
      • jiggawatts 6mo ago
        The problem is that there's dozens of security updates every month, so even if you can skip feature updates, you'll have to reboot every Patch Tuesday anyway. Even the Server Core edition, which has a much smaller "surface area" needs reboots almost every month.
• phillipcarter 6mo ago
  Can we all just appreciate the sheer amount of writing and re-writing and executive review that had to go on to make this blog post go out? Goodness, I can smell the hand-wringing and political battling represented by these words through the wire. Incredible stuff.
• ray_v 6mo ago
  > Windows touches more people’s lives than almost any technology on Earth. This can not possibly be true, in several dimensions/metrics. I understand that this is mostly marketing bluster, but holy cow are they delusional here.
• cat-turner 6mo ago
  An article like this coming out does not make me feel confident about its quality in the future.
• dgxyz 6mo ago
  Think they burned what little trust anyone has in them over the last couple of years. I have zero windows machines now and no promises will change that.
• jen20 6mo ago
  Am I wrong in thinking that Windows 95 had the ability to reposition the task bar either horizontally or vertically? And someone actually chose to lead with that.
• topaz0 6mo ago
  Highest priority is moving the toolbar???
• kbelder 6mo ago
  >More fluid and responsive app interactions: Reducing interaction latency by moving core Windows experiences to the WinUI3 framework. I think this is good, because they're talking about removing (hideously inappropriate) react and other web technologies from core OS components, and using proper native OS calls instead. But I'm not familiar with WinUI3. I only know Win32. Is WinUI3 a flash-in-the-pan system like their other UI attempts, or is it decent and stable?
  • xeeeeeeeeeeenu 6mo ago
    > Is WinUI3 a flash-in-the-pan system like their other UI attempts, or is it decent and stable? If you stay in the happy path, it's decent, better than it used to be. Microsoft does seem committed to it, they're slowly converting Windows apps to WinUI 3. That said, the team is clearly understaffed; there are long-standing unresolved bugs, just search for "memory leak" on their GitHub issue tracker. Also, native, non-.NET support is definitely an afterthought, it's barely documented and the tooling is super awkward. But at least, unlike WPF, it exists.
    • jiggawatts 6mo ago
      WinUI 3 was a step back from WPF in technology, because it panders to the virtually non-existent Microsoft .NET mobile app market. To remain compatible with Android and iPhones they removed or simplified a bunch of features, ironically stripping out HDR support just when practically all phones got wide gamut and HDR, OLED screens, etc. In the era when mobile phones are getting amazing, Microsoft is still racing towards the bottom along with every laptop maker other than Apple.
  • userbinator 6mo ago
    That sounds like the same bullshit they spouted when they tried to shove the "modern app" crap with Win8. There's nothing wrong with Win32 (and everything wrong with the newer stuff); "interaction latency" was just fine on a single-core 33MHz 486 running Windows 95.
  • pathartl 6mo ago
    God, the React stuff is so overblown. There's one small section of the start menu that's built with React Native for Windows, which is _not_ React and _not_ React Native, but a flavor of React that compiles down to native code calling Windows APIs.
• mattstir 6mo ago
  Although I haven't touched Windows in a few years now, my understanding is that the OS has been having a very rough few months with unstable updates, bricked devices, etc. And yet the first thing they mention is moving around the task bar? Is that really what they want to lead with? It's just baffling. It's also a bit disturbing to see "reduced flicker for file explorer" as a main focus. Just how bad is the Windows experience?
  • peacebeard 6mo ago
    Their vulnerable introduction leading into the 4 task bar screenshots made me laugh out loud.
• smcleod 6mo ago
  They feel like they're scrambling for any form of relevance when in reality that ship has long since sailed.
• glitch13 6mo ago
  > This includes the ability to skip updates during device setup to get to the desktop faster... There's only one complaint that practically everyone has regarding what's required "during device setup," and it's not updates. I can't say I'm shocked that it's being ignored.
• lateforwork 6mo ago
  I don't see anything about respecting user preferences. Things that drive me up the wall about Windows: attempting to switch me to Edge, Bing etc after every update. Apple doesn't do that. Also, forcing me to sign in using a Microsoft account as opposed to a local account.
• XCSme 6mo ago
  So, we can move the taskbar, more AI, and some paint-flashing fixes
• wxw 6mo ago
  I grew up on Windows, switched to Mac (college and beyond), and over time, have come to hate Windows. It feels like it doesn’t have a user’s best interest in mind. I’m just there to have Copilot or XYZ service shoved down my throat. I’m not sure Mac is actually any less sinister but at least it feels less so.
• motbus3 6mo ago
  I want to believe but I can't. We know how much product decision there is in there putting business on top of quality. Doing shady stuff and having at least weird round tables. Putting a spy on everyone's house. For now, I am so bitter about windows, that I just want it to stop being a thing
• sunaookami 6mo ago
  Recently got an HP ProBook for a relative to replace his old 2011 ThinkPad with Kubuntu 24.04 and I was shocked how laggy and unusable Windows 11 was. Every menu has tons of latency, programs take forever to start, even something simple like Rufus. File Explorer is a laggy mess, the whole OS feels like you are walking through mud. After a reboot there was a fullscreen message about "finish setting up the device" (??? it's already set up) with the only options being Confirm and "Remind me in 3 days". Thankfully my relative was comfortable with Kubuntu and all his files were there (and frankly we were too lazy to set everything up from scratch again) so I just cloned his old drive and Kubuntu runs like a dream! I'm not someone who would advocate for Linux because it still has very rough edges (even more so than 10 years ago somehow) and has a higher learning curve but Windows 11 is unbelievable bad. I switched to macOS roughly around Windows 11's release so my only other experience was at work (where I constantly complain about the TWO context menus!!!). The last performant Windows version was Windows 8, despite its UX flaws. It actually made old computers faster and it started going downhill with the very first Windows 10 Technical Preview. I doubt that MS will reach that level of performance and stability again.
• _aleph2c_ 6mo ago
  It's not an OS anymore. It's an AI that spies on you while you work and sends your information back to servers controlled by intelligence services. Once your data is there, more AIs spend endless resources examining (thinking about) your life, cross referencing your windows behavior with the information they receive about you from data brokers. It's a threat to your personal sovereignty, your corporate/national security, remove it immediately. Switch to Linux.
• andrewstuart 6mo ago
  Key message at Microsoft: “Windows has lost its way! Move the task bar!”
• stevage 6mo ago
  > As part of this, we are reducing unnecessary Copilot entry points, starting with apps like Snipping Tool, Photos, Widgets and Notepad. So they threw a lot of spaghetti at the wall, and this is the bit where some of it falls off.
  • jimt1234 6mo ago
    Exactly. However, I think this hints at the real problem - how disconnected from their users is the Windows team that they thought people would welcome AI in Notepad?
• msalihb 6mo ago
  they joke with us. What we want is just a pure basic Windows experience without AI things make everything slower and not secure. What they give is taking the taskbar to left - right - top
• urba_ 6mo ago
  Me and my family still cannot believe that I bought a Macbook this week. I used Windows since Windows 95 (back in '96, I was 5 years old). But still having regular blue screens come back with Windows 11.. I am better off selling my 64GB of RAM, than Windows Defender eating a third of it at random times
• lawik 6mo ago
  The cadence these topics were written in was so Apple keynote video that I had Tim Cook's voice presenting it in my head. I hope that's not just me. More in the topic. Good that Windows Update will suck less. Did the Discover-something-or-other-imply less start-memu ads, I couldn't tell..
• tonymet 6mo ago
  Microsoft deserves credit where credit is due. Windows Insider is a great program that takes a lot of effort to manage, and this mea culpa is a response to community feedback . Windows is a fabulous operating system. I encourage people to see it as a tool and as an engineering marvel, rather than as an enemy or target of ridicule. I’ve been tremendously productive on Windows, and I have run every desktop OS , including Gentoo (when it used to take 2+ days to compile), BeOS, OS2 , Redhat on Power PC, FreeBSD and loads of niche operating systems. If you like Operating systems, and hate Windows, I encourage you to read Show Stoppers about Dave Cutler making NT. It’s an amazing accomplishment, and will probably convert you from a Windows hater to an NT Kernel appreciator.
  • hilbert42 6mo ago
    I agree with most of what you say about Windows, technically, it's an excellent and reliable operating system honed over three decades. Like you, I make the above comment based on my long experience from the IBM 360 through to Assembler, CP/M, OS/2, VAX, Linux and many others including Win 95, NT, W2K through to the present. What you fail to acknowledge is that Microsoft has changed the Windows paradigm to such an extent that many users (but far from all) can no longer accept the horribly onerous terms and conditions imposed by Microsoft for the use of its operating system. This is now a political issue. With Windows, Microsoft has by far a monopoly on desktop operating systems which amounts to many millions of users. Its monopoly means that any effective competition by way of a truly API-compatible software product simply cannot emerge (eg: ReactOS has been lingering in the wilderness for over a quarter century). In effect, with enforced lock-in, Microsoft has now hijacked—kidnapped—the user environment and experience then exploited the spoils for its own financial benefit. A good analogy would be an ongoing patent on the position and layout order of the brake and accelerator pedals in vehicles with royalties payable to use them. Other manufacturers cannot innovate as different systems would cause confusion and thus be unsafe. In case you're wondering that's a definition of a monopoly. Microsoft is not only forcing users to work in ways they do not want to work but also it's now milking and robbing millions of them of their privacy for its own financial advantage. Users no longer have an option to remain as they were and are coerced to upgrade from older less restrictive versions of Windows because Microsoft deliberately invokes planned obsolescence by not updating drivers nor supporting newer hardware in those earlier versions. Simply, Microsoft forces users to move to a more controlled and restrictive environments. Ethically and environmentally that is unacceptable, and in any political system that isn't compromised by lobbying and kickbacks such bad behavior would be penalized. Microsoft knows full well all that and that for users to escape its clutches they have to jump over barriers and hurdles that are practically impossible to navigate, they thus destined to remain captured in their unwanted dystopian environment. That's the narrative—it's Big Tech's plan, and grudgingly I have to admit it's brilliantly effective. To undo this enforced lock-in and for everyone to escape Microsoft's clutches it would take billions of manhours of effort—time that would be much more productive spent elsewhere. Clearly, that's not going to happen. Right, coercion and exploitation pays off big-time; again, 'kidnapping' sums up Microsoft's actions to a tee. Given the out-of-control behavior and damage done by Microsoft and other Big Tech players a point of inflection has been reached, it's now a political matter and the perpetrators will find the momentum very difficult to reverse completely. Cory Doctorow's 'enshitification' captures the zeitgeist along what needs to be done to bring Big Tech to heel. It may take decades but at least it's a beginning. Not only do the Big Tech monopolies have to be broken up but those responsible for conceiving and implementing the abuse in the first instance must be bought to account, hopefully by landing them in the slammer. What's happened isn't competitive capitalism as work but sheer exploitation and Big Tech's at the center of it. If you think I'm bitter about this then you'd be correct, I am. Whenever I think of the many thousands of hours I've spent bypassing unwarranted and unreasonable restrictions brought on by coroprate greed and fixing crappy enshitified software my blood boils. That time should have been spent on more productive endeavors such as providing users with better programs and systems. Seems you've led a charmed working life not experienced by most of us. Given your stated experience I should not have to refresh your memory of early Microsoft Windows EULAs (NT, W2K etc.) which incorporated terms to the effect "no user information will be sent to Microsoft". Now compare that with the Windows 11 EULA/terms and conditions, forced online user accounts etc. What has now happened with Windows 11 is the antithesis—a complete reversal—of the earlier paradigm. Here, one's once independence has been traded for lock-in and expensive rent models with exit conditions that are almost impossible to exercise in any practical way. Seems you're quite content with this. What's relevant here is that if your experience is as you've stated then you will be well aware of these glaring issues, so that raises the question of your dismissive attitude to the problems. Thus it's reasonable to assume it's highly likely you're more than just part of the Windows Insider program, probably an employee or such. Perhaps even AI generated content. I apologize if I'm wrong. That's your prerogative and no one questions your right. Presumably it pays well, but I'd foreshadow that as time marches on you'll find yourself more and more on the outer. Good luck to you, you might need it.
• mijoharas 6mo ago
  From the title I thought this might be a reaction to the "Microslop" epithet and a commitment to increase code quality and reduce bugs. Guess not. It's a shame, I'd appreciate more than a single 9 of uptime from GitHub (luckily I don't need to interact with anything else Microsoft related)
• danielodievich 6mo ago
  Back in the Longhorn (that is, Vista) days, I was friends with an engineering manager on the core desktop services team. He told me about how the "combine icons" in taskbar feature came to be. I think it came out after XP? mmm. I think yeah it came in Vista right after XP. Or was it one of the XP service packs? Anyhow, it was endlessly introduced by PMs, and endlessly cut after obnoxious reviews. Per this guy he just coded it one day and pushed it into daily build. Got in a lot of trouble but it made it. Glad they're putting taskbar back into whatever sides. I despise my work Mac's single location at the bottom, wasteful waste of space. I've had icons on the left since Windows 95 and I like them there.
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• grandpoobah 6mo ago
  Let me use Windows 10 for 10 more years. You're full of shit Microsoft.
• paxys 6mo ago
  Embedding your signature at the end of a blog post is such a bullshit executive move. You just know this guy has been playing corporate politics for the last 30 years.
• OrvalWintermute 6mo ago
  What about: - native quick launch bar - killing telemetry - killing UI kludge - permitting non-MS apps again
• hyperadvanced 6mo ago
  lol microslop
• whirlwin 6mo ago
  Windows is just a wonderful box of chocolate that keeps expanding. You never know what you get, all brilliant frontier tech innovations like Edge, Bing, the calculator, vertical taskbar, and now the highly intelligent Copilot, up there fighting with OpenCode, CC and others...!
• paxys 6mo ago
  Weren't you able to move the taskbar to the top in like Windows 98 and XP? So they deliberately took away a feature, are adding it back after years, and selling this as "see we listen to our users!!"
• jwpapi 6mo ago
  I switched to Fedora as my first full time Linux OS and it’s honestly changed my life. I can use my computer as a tool to do my craft and I’m not constantly sucked in ai features, news, or external search results, if I don’t want it. OS stands for operating system, Microsoft is not that for me. I wouldn’t know how to ever go back. I really hope I’m not forced to for some reason.
• legitster 6mo ago
  I actually don't have any particular problems with Windows. It's familiar, it works with everything I do, I don't have a reason to switch. That said, it's completely rudderless. How important is an operating system anymore anyway when most applications are just an Electron app anyway? What does consumer Windows provide Microsoft anymore besides a gateway to Office 365 and other actually profitable services? They also clearly fell asleep at the wheel on things like gaming. The future is clearly Linux-based. And on the hardware front, Microsoft seemed to have given up on their own consumer gear, and their partners have left them out to dry yet again.
• jtrn 6mo ago
  Oh goody. I left windows but this really makes me want to come back: More control over widgets and feed experiences! What a list of bangers!
• matt_heimer 6mo ago
  Funny, I just bought Start11 from Stardock for side taskbar placement. It was the oddest choice to remove that feature. On an ultrawide monitor it just makes so much sense.
• jovial_cavalier 6mo ago
  If Microsoft leadership thinks that they took a wrong turn in the last few years, they are in for a rude awakening (I hope). They took a wrong turn in the late 90s. Probably earlier than that. They have managed to stave off all user feedback for 30 years through litigious bullying and strict vendor lock-in. This isn't about the taskbar, man. This isn't even about Copilot. The pushback which you are only now starting to perceive is being caused by an entire generation of Microsoft intentionally and actively positioning itself in conflict with its customers. I understand that once you have a million customers, you can't really treat them right anymore. But Microsoft has not given a single shit about customer feedback, even in aggregate for decades now. As I read this, all I can think is "too little, too late." I have watched in my workplace Windows go from being a product that we are happy to purchase to yet another piece of technology that we would simply replace were we not yoked to it. I guess even now they probably still don't care. Microsoft will continue printing money until the sun burns out.
• politelemon 6mo ago
  I will give them this one benefit of the doubt. The tone in the blog post is a straightforward one that is rare to see in such communications, without fluff or marketing speak. It's a rare acknowledgment of going a bit nuts with the copilot integrations. It did look like they were trying to see what sticks and presumably the answer is, we can't figure out what did. Personal computing is a rare niche these days thanks to the majority who have chosen to give over the personal aspect to the privacy hostile duopoly of MS and Apple (while celebrating doing so) who hold the leash.
• jmward01 6mo ago
  No commitment to keeping your machine yours with local only accounts. No commitment to blocking ads. Honestly though, at this point even if they did massive changes and addressed privacy and ownership I would be years away from trying them again. They could pay me and I would say no.
  • jwrallie 6mo ago
    Being able to uninstall Bing and Edge would be great too. Being realistic, it’s likely that Copilot will join the list of apps you cannot uninstall very soon.
• some-guy 6mo ago
  I'm at a large enterprise outfit, and "shoving things in your face" has been a problem with large software suites for a long time, long before the AI craze. I keep telling my skip level leadership that we need more User-Experience "mob goons" that have authority across product domains to (metaphorically) beat the living daylight out of bad "PM-brained" ideas.
• attentive 6mo ago
  "Repositioning the taskbar is one of the top asks we’ve heard from you". Tell us why it was removed in the first place, why it takes years to put it back and it's still future promises as of March 2026. That's just a clown show.
• KnuthIsGod 6mo ago
  Second raters working on a third rate operating system, offer fourth rate ameliorations for problems, their fifth rate product managers introduced.
• jm4 6mo ago
  Windows 11 performs like a pig, it’s full of unnecessary notifications and apps that constantly seek attention, copilot isn’t useful, I feel like I’m being spied on, the UI is weird. It could be turned into a great OS if they simply remove some things. Get rid of the ads, make copilot an optional component, stop trying to sell 365, let me turn off telemetry, etc.
  • gonzalohm 6mo ago
    Remember when installers allowed you to personalize the components you wanted to install? I miss that. I wasn't on windows but I remember that office allowed you to choose which components you wanted
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• malbs 6mo ago
  I feel like this commitment to Windows quality post is actually just copilot generated slop. Someone in the comments here said nobody loves Windows. I probably did love Windows 7. I felt that it was the best of all worlds, huge support for hardware, basically rock solid on good hardware, gaming performance was fantastic. In my opinion, Windows has spiraled downwards ever since 7. So much so that I finally switched to Linux permanently. Windows 11 and the forced AI integration was the absolute last straw for me. The only thing that had really kept me on Windows lately was the gaming side of it. As I've gotten older, the games became less important. Now Proton pretty much gets me compatibility on 172 of 173 games in my steam library. Sure I had to search and find and compile my own controller driver, but it wasn't super painful, probably beyond the realms of an average user still.
• wetpaws 6mo ago
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• esseph 6mo ago
  I'm reading this thread and I'm absolutely shocked that people are still advocating for Ubuntu for anything. It was a more user-friendly choice with more up to date packages maybe 15 years ago than the beloved Debian at the time, but that was long ago. Even then I wasn't one to put it on servers unless I had to for whatever reason, it just wasn't stable. RHEL is mostly what you will see @ Corpo, with some occasional SUSE for Europeans. Given that Fedora is the upstream for RHEL (and no snapd), it is quite well supported. AFAIK, it's also what Linus Torvalds has ran for a long while now.
• windows7user 6mo ago
  > We are introducing the ability to reposition it to the top or sides of your screen No, you mean reintroducing a capability that was standard in Windows for 20+ years? Stop acting like this is some new innovation being introduced in Windows 11. Just a handful of things that all were taken for granted in Windows previously, doesn't even scratch the surface of issues with Windows 10/11, which removed tons of useful stuff and added garbage nobody wants. Forced to use Windows 11 at work (well, or a Mac, but Windows 11 is just barely the lesser of two evils) and I hate it. I continue to use Windows 7 at home, which remains the best workstation OS and likely will forever.
• lousken 6mo ago
  What about bringing back old notepad and improving admin apps? MMC snapins haven't been touched in years and still can't even sort those columns properly, search and filtering is terrible Control panel is still not migrated over to settings after 12 years nor you can open two settings apps. Error messages in modern apps are just the worst, how about printing valuable error messages than "something is wrong"? Fixing dark patterns like taking over your screen with popups and taking over the application header so you can't close windows unless you go to the task manager. First time opening edge shows a really annoying splash screen + home page is filled with ads. Also where are 5 second boot times on NVMe SSDs? Anything more is just sloppy. Just to list a few pet peeves But let's see if they can even fix things they've mentioned in the post, though that's like 1/4 of the issues that should be fixed.
  • jiggawatts 6mo ago
    > improving admin apps? They have a bunch of replacements, all of which are slow as molasses and not feature complete. 1. Server Manager. 2. Windows Admin Centre. 3. Settings App (same as desktop). 4. PowerShell 5. DSC 6. Azure Arc There's also Active Directory Administrative Center which never replaced dsa.msc for me or anyone I've ever worked with. Similarly, there's like half a dozen performance monitor tools for Windows Server, and they're all terrible and are missing critical features.
    • lousken 6mo ago
      i've stopped administrating windows some time ago so hopefully my response is still accurate - 1. deprecated lol 2. i think it can't be run on things like AD, so for very small companies this is annoying 3. ... that's not really an admin app? 4. sure, but then i might as well switch to linux if i have to stick to cli (and i did) 5. last time i checked there were two versions, incompatible with one another, not great alternative to ansible 6. if you have hybrid and are in azure already, maybe? haven't used I mean it's not like there are not 5 alternatives in azure/intune for every thing as well that are half baked. And 365 and azure is worse with terrible migration guides, ms graph with a combination of commands and json inputs and defaults from 2016. It's really time for microsoft to fully commit to one thing, make it good, finish it and deprecate everything else.
• SanjayMehta 6mo ago
  > Receiving updates should be predictable and easy to plan around, so we’re giving you more control. I can't remember when Update became so intrusive and aggressive - Vista? - but it was the top annoyance for me personally.
• 6thbit 6mo ago
  Isn't this the same company that fired most of their QA people few years back? Their commitments here seem to try to bring windows back to what it was when they still had their QA teams.
• cute_boi 6mo ago
  Microslop can commit, but I don't think they can get fix bloatware. Adding customer feedback form isn't going to fix it.
• PaulKeeble 6mo ago
  Microsoft has spent over a decade swimming against their users interests at this point and during that time frame Linux has been improving its desktop and improving kernel performance. We are now at the point where Linux emulating Window's entire API space for games with worse drivers is dangerously close on performance with none of the privacy invasion and anti user features. Its pretty late in the game for them to start trying to switch back to producing an Operating system users actually want. Users refusing to switch from Windows 10 should have been that wake up call. I don't think Microsoft can pull this off, I think as mindshare is shifting it will continue to do so and its going to take Microsoft a long time to row back and right now its only talking about doing some minor things. Now Nvidia is developing the drivers on Linux seriously there is every chance this transition snowballs and nothing Microsoft does will be enough.
  • scns 6mo ago
    > where Linux emulating Window's entire API space for games with worse drivers is > dangerously close on performance sometimes more performant.
    • coreyburnsdev 6mo ago
      most games I'm getting 1% lows that are much higher than windows at 4k resolution
    • mitkebes 6mo ago
      > sometimes more performant. That's usually due to: 1. Converting directX into Vulkan (potentially very large performance gains) 2. Less OS overhead (usually minor gains)
      • cogman10 6mo ago
        There's really no reason why DirectX 12 can't be as fast as Vulkan. In fact, the fact that converting DirectX to Vulkan makes it faster sort of proves that point.
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• throw7 6mo ago
  I don't really use windows for anything except games (still on windows 10 for as long as possible). I did not know you can't move the taskbar in windows 11... I literally lol'd. That type of shit is why I dumped gnome 3 a long time ago.
• summermusic 6mo ago
  It’s frankly embarrassing that they have to come out and say that they are going to make Explorer “faster and more dependable.” It’s amazing how badly they fucked up the most basic function of managing a graphical operating system.
• mahgnous 6mo ago
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• ufmace 6mo ago
  I can't help but think, 90s Microsoft was far from perfect, but they at least seemed to care a lot about the quality of Windows. 2020s Microsoft seems to see Windows as something they can leverage to get themselves in front of whatever the latest tech trend is, never mind what it does to their users' ability to get stuff done. They may say they're backing off now, but it's hard to trust them. Will they just do the same thing with whatever the next tech trend is?
• wewewedxfgdf 6mo ago
  This is not serious. Only a public statement of "deepest possible rethink in attitude" from Satya Nadella would mean a different future for Windows. Whatever this is - which is mostly weasel words - will fizzle and fade.
• neuropacabra 6mo ago
  I think for a lot of people is already too late
• techgnosis 6mo ago
  Ctrl+F "ads" Nothing
• cogman10 6mo ago
  I love how the second half of this article is obviously just an AI slop agenda. That entirely speaks to how much microsoft "cares". Frankly, the things they've listed as action items for the future are things that they should have been doing FROM THE BEGINNING. Like, how on earth was > Faster and more responsive Windows experiences NOT a part of just the general release cycle of a major windows update? How was it they didn't notice that the file explorer experience in 11 was noticeably worse than windows 10 and the same hardware? We all know the answer, it's because the highest priority wasn't a good UX, it was to make sure copilot was integrated into everything. So long as microsoft management doesn't prioritize performance (and they clearly do not) this is just a natural endstate of any software. If you aren't focusing and paying your developers to make things faster and smoother, you'll get this sort of high memory consumption and janky applications. Making things not janky requires someone in management to care about that.
• 1a527dd5 6mo ago
  > Desktops showing the taskbar positioned on the bottom, top, left and right side of the screen Welcome to the 90s? They are so far off track. I'm basically never leaving Windows 10.
• gethly 6mo ago
  If Cosmic desktop would be finished, I would now be on Linux. But instead, I am back on Windows 10. Linux desktop is just not there yet. I will either skip Windows 11 and go to 12, or finally end up on Linux by necessity. Looking at the direction of Microsoft and Windows, I think there is no chance for 12 to be a good operating system that I would want to use. I know I can milk Windows 10 for another 5-8 years without any issues. So, we'll see. But then again, there is also HarmonyOS and who knows where *BSD desktop will be and other OSs that might come up. Maybe nVidia will make their own Linux based OS. Or Google. I think this is the direction the OSs are heading towards. The domination of Microsoft and Apple is near its end and if big corporations step in and centralize the completely broken world of linux desktop into few solid distributions, we can have nice things again.
• ChoGGi 6mo ago
  Since we're going for rainbows and puppies. I'd like a control panel that isn't tied into the explorer shell. I'd wish they did a more modular OS (explorer, browser, etc), keep it simple and streamline installing requirements as needed.
• flying_sheep 6mo ago
  They have spent, ... I guess like 10+ years?..., for fixing the slowness and bloated functionality of the File Explorer. I still don't know how to create a native app so inefficient that, it needs to take more than 500 milliseconds to open a directory
• jamesgill 6mo ago
  I've never seen a more impressive effort to carry on as if the elephant is, in fact, not in the room.
• unlog 6mo ago
  Used Windows since forever because "it just worked for me". Last year switched to Fedora + Plasma, as I started to consider staying on windows was risky. The feedback/forum tool, has been a thing for years. Submited many bugs that I wanted fixed, and always been ignored. Thanks, but Im not looking back.
  • theandrewbailey 6mo ago
    > The feedback/forum tool, has been a thing for years. Submited many bugs that I wanted fixed, and always been ignored. Just like the dialog that searched for a solution to why my program just crashed. Of all the times I saw that (maybe every other day), it found something precisely 0 times, but wasted my time every time. Did it work for anyone or am I alone?
    • JohnFen 6mo ago
      I'm sure it's done something for someone at some point in time, but never for me and I've never heard of it doing anything for anyone else.
• modeless 6mo ago
  If they actually fix start menu search in addition to giving back the left side taskbar, I'll be pretty happy. I very much doubt they will though.
• aksss 6mo ago
  There are two wolves that live inside the Windows brain - Apple and Linux (yes, two wolves). On one hand, Windows has pressure to be something that "just works" like an iPad used to be - users can't screw it up. This is what enterprises want for the daily drivers of their massive user populations. OTOH, Windows has pressure to be this highly customizable tool for savvy high-agency individuals. This is what we all want. I can empathize with both needs, for sure, but it is a constant war. They're doing alright, considering.
• nmstoker 6mo ago
  Overall some potential here, if they follow through, but it's amusing that the first bullet point is essentially "more new surface we can accidently break".
• abrookewood 6mo ago
  Too. Fucking. Late. At work, I'm switching to Mac for the first time in my life. At home, I'm already gaming on Linux. Windows is dead to me.
• modzu 6mo ago
  lol who is this guy talking to
• lta 6mo ago
  If you had to commit to Windows quality you'd have done so a few decades ago. Also, Linux (via Android, micro computers everywhere and the vast internet) touches way more lives then Microsoft. At this point in the article I realized I didn't care one bit and stopped reading
• QuadrupleA 6mo ago
  As a 20+ year Windows user now happily running desktop Linux for about a year - too little, too late. This company has completely lost my trust over the past 5+ years, with all the ads, upsells, silent telemetry, bugs, background process mess, forced updates, poor performance, etc. It's not only steered me off of Windows, but Azure, Office, and anything else with the Microsoft name on it. I'll do my best to steer family and business customers off likewise. Trust is earned over years, and whoever the execs are that pushed all these shitty short-term squeezes on their customers, the company now gets to pay the reputational price.
  • alliao 6mo ago
    msft don't earn trust, they actively butchers it and see who'd stay, it's a little bit like scam letters that are full of spelling mistakes, that's the filter. those that'd still fall for it are exactly the people they're looking for. the strategy have worked very well for a very long time, it's so successful they don't really know what broke the current users, and you can see that in this release. they analysed the feedback and the number 1 fix is to "raise the bar" literally by allowing users to position bar anywhere, nothing organisational, nothing cultural, just close random tickets
  • snarfy 6mo ago
    Arch is really good. Wayland works. Gaming works. For any apps that don't work like Visual Studio I run kvm/qemu + unlicensed win11 vm. I do not give a shit my vm says "activate windows" 2026 Year of Linux Desktop?
• B1FF_PSUVM 6mo ago
  > Windows touches more people’s lives than almost any technology on Earth. You could skip the "almost" if you had stuck to your guns on Windows Phone. It was a good phone OS, and we could have done without the iOS/Android duopoly, but MS chickened out.
• voganmother42 6mo ago
  I heard in windows 12 they transform the task bar into a task triangle! They are being careful not to over promise, but the innovation is coming!
• Jare 6mo ago
  I'll believe it when I see it. But I hope I will, I don't want to be cynical. Back a decade or so, the Visual Studio experience was terrible, the team promised they were going to fix a lot of it, I didn't believe them, and they actually delivered. No VS is not perfect. But it was on a downward spiral and they got it out. I hope they deliver now, and bring back my inner Windows fan which they eroded and then killed with the abomination that is current Win11.
• kp666 6mo ago
  For gods sake, your users is not your unpaid qa.
• 9967d2cad_askhn 6mo ago
  Honestly he should go back to his country and build something for his people.
• hsuduebc2 6mo ago
  I don't want to be just purely negative but I refuse to believe the sentiment of this post. For years they have been told that windows have pretty shit annoying features which they keep implementing and only thing they did was implement more absolutely useless chatbots all over the place. I do not belive that this is genuine effort to making a better product or answer to ongoing massive enshittifaction of microsoft products to squeeze more money. Maybe people started to leave them for Apple and they noticed?
• SeanAnderson 6mo ago
  I moved over to Linux a few months ago. Absolutely zero issues. My only thought was, "Wow. Why didn't I do this sooner?" There's nothing Windows can do to bring me back at this point.
• kjuulh 6mo ago
  What is apparent from windows in my opinion is a lack of direction. Ask for feedback when something falls outside of common sense, you ask for feedback when you need another point of view. But windows is currently failing at the most essentials, these should be apparent inside Microsoft as well, and should've been for the last few years. It is not that everything should stay the same, that is one choice, but there needs to be a steward that says, hey our right click menu on the desktop has an SLA of 100ms to open, it doesn't matter which features you put in there, if something causes it to be slow, kill it. Can I access basic apps that are table stakes for an OS, an editor, screenshots etc without popups for unrelated nonsense. If you fail at that, then as a user I get confused. I am used to just being able to note down some text, why am I asked to transcribe with Copilot or login to microsoft. It is clear that the adoption of Copilot was measured in activations, and as such was pushed in as many places as possible, simply because they needed all that exposure to meet their targets. Windows was not just a product but a funnel to other offerings and that cannibalized windows even more than it was previously. I've got a slight bias, as I haven't had windows installed in about 10 years, but when I've helped my family with their issues, it is clear how much of a shitshow it actually is.
• alliao 6mo ago
  still no QA lol
• Ithildin 6mo ago
  Nothing in this article made me think they even understand the problem. I don't know what I expecting, though. I mean, the first thing they mention is the ability to move the taskbar around? Oh wow. Yeah, they have no idea what's wrong.
• WhyNotHugo 6mo ago
  > We are introducing the ability to reposition it to the top or sides of your screen, making it [the taskbar] easier to personalize your workspace. Ehm, what? Windows XP had this feature. Pretty sure that Vista and 7 did too. I had plenty of friends who used the taskbar in non-standard edges. Did they recently REMOVE the feature and are now bragging about introducing this "new" feature, or am I missing something?
  • efilife 6mo ago
    You are not missing anything
• olavostauros 6mo ago
  this is sum' schizo article writing. totally deviates from the history of reality.
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• taf2 6mo ago
  Bro Linux gaming is where it’s at - windoze is cooked
• chausen 6mo ago
  The first thing being different taskbar positions after that emotional “we hear you” speech was peak comedy.
  • drooopy 6mo ago
    How kind of them to allow me to do something so basic that I had been able to do since the Windows 95 days up until 4 years ago when they inexplicably decided to take it away from me.
  • smusamashah 6mo ago
    I am a Windows user since Windows 98. State of windows currently really hurts. This article is so disconnected and uninterested in the actual needs of users who despise windows in its current form today.
• eboy 6mo ago
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• oybng 6mo ago
  Windows will never be 7 again. It will never be 2000. Wake up
• chmorgan_ 6mo ago
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• saintfire 6mo ago
  > We are introducing the ability to reposition it to the top or sides of your screen, making it easier to personalize your workspace. > options when to update > less horrible and slow file explorer Finally, a desktop with feature parity of an OS from the year 2000. Good on them for hearing complaints after 4+ years and addressing some of them.. maybe. They say they will at least.
  • mixmastamyk 6mo ago
    s/2000/1995/
• VerifiedReports 6mo ago
  This is so depressingly off-base and wrong-headed. It completely ignores the huge UI regressions Windows has suffered over the last... 20 years? Windows's UI ineptitude has reached crippling levels. Application windows lack title bars, so you frequently don't know what application you're looking at. Applications lack menus; critical functions are scattered all over the place behind hamburger buttons... and sometimes even further, under a "more" item in the menu the hamburger invokes (try saving a file you're viewing in Edge). Applications eschew the tidy, readily comprehensible, familiar, and efficient File dialog in favor of a bizarre text-based pane consisting of crude, unlabeled boxes and horizontal lines... with no context as to where you are in the file system. Then there are the baffling functional regressions. Here's one that wastes my time daily: You can't select multiple files in Explorer and say "Open with." WTF, this was old hat 30 years ago. Want to open several PNGs in Photoshop? NOPE, not anymore! Just dismal.
• askonomm 6mo ago
  Yea I don't believe or trust a single word coming out of that malware company.
• askonomm 6mo ago
  > More control over widgets and feed experiences More control over ads? The whole widgets screen is quite literally just ads.
• queuebert 6mo ago
  It's very telling that the very first feature listed is that you can position the taskbar on the bottom, top, left and right side of the screen. Can I change it's color, too? Amazing! /s Microsoft appears completely bereft of creativity and innovation now.
• gmponyo 6mo ago
  Too little too late.
• belviewreview 6mo ago
  Remember, Microsoft's goal is to turn Windows into an AI agent that keeps all your data in the cloud, that it can use that data for endless money-making purposes like advertising, and that you pay for with a dozen different subscriptions. Microsoft will continue to move in that direction in various overt and covert manners, and any so-called responding to what users wants is just a charade.
• Archit3ch 6mo ago
  On the positive side, they added MIDI 2.0, which you can use in live sets Windows will restart in the middle of. :)
• loeg 6mo ago
  When are they going to walk back the deliberate deprecation of the vast majority of PCs that ran Windows 10 fine but do not meet the unnecessary and completely arbitrary hardware requirements imposed by Windows 11? I mean, the performance and AI and taskbar stuff also demonstrates bad judgement, but I really can't get past the Win11 thing.
• iAMkenough 6mo ago
  I started laughing out loud uncontrollably when I got to this point: > Craft > To us, craft is the discipline that turns functional products into loved ones through usability, polish, coherence and refinement. > This year, you will see us invest in raising the bar on the overall usability of the experience, with more opportunities for personalization, less noise, less distraction and more control across the OS. That includes being thoughtful about how and where we bring AI into Windows, leading with transparency, choice and control, so that new capabilities enhance the experience rather than complicate it.
• whatever1 6mo ago
  MacBook Neo will eat their lunch. Linux support for video games will eat their dinner.
• tomxor 6mo ago
  Go back to Win98 UI, I know it will never happen but can you imagine... At this point I genuinely think people would be blown away at how much of a functional improvement it would be. There would also be a lot of bewilderment for the younger generations, and people who aren't interested in actually using computers who don't think it looks "sleek" enough or whatever. But in terms of day to day quality of life, those old UIs just got the fuck out the way, and were obvious when you had to interact with it. I have some earned hate for the underlying windows OS, but in terms of UI and desktop, we didn't know what we had until it was taken away.
• temporallobe 6mo ago
  The obnoxious behavior of Windows update is the single biggest reason I left the platform over a decade ago. Too little too late for me. Also there is one huge glaring omission in the article. The sneaky integration of ads embedded in the OS. I have thankfully never experienced this myself since I abandoned Windows before the ads became a thing. I sometimes have to use Enterprise Windows 11 professionally, but I can’t ever see myself going back to it for any kind of personal computing. Basically Microsoft had a good thing and decided to enshitify it to death.
• samiv 6mo ago
  * We're going to make sure we double down on our dark patterns slamming our obnoxious account requirements in your face every chance we get. We'll also make sure to "accidentally forget" any "unfavourable" setting you might have turned to your liking just to make sure you get the best experience we want. * We're going to keep shoving AI and copilot in your face in every corner of the system whether you want it or not. It's what we want after all. Please subscribe to copilot now or 3 days later. * We're going to continue vibe coding core system components and interface elements in JavaScript to minimize our developer costs. Just get over it already.
• tw04 6mo ago
  So still nothing about local accounts, or disabling copilot entirely. This is basically: we’re doing the absolute minimum possible to claim we’re listening to users while still pursuing exactly what we were doing before. We realized we just need to boil the frog a little slower. If they were hoping this would help shake microslop, they’re in trouble.
  • thunfischtoast 6mo ago
    Or random telemetry, or random network usage of some anonymous service that leaves you unable to pretty much do anything internet-related until that service has done it's thing.
• _ink_ 6mo ago
  > More taskbar customization, including vertical and top positions: [...] We are introducing the ability to reposition it to the top or sides of your screen, making it easier to personalize your workspace. This already existed. You took it away. If anything, you are back peddling and re-introducing it. But I don't care anymore. Made the switch to Linux and don't look back.
• pier25 6mo ago
  I'll believe it when I see it.
• aimarketintel 6mo ago
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• gjvc 6mo ago
  ended with windows 2000
• rsanheim 6mo ago
  If you believe this has any long term staying power at MSFT, I have a bridge to sell you paid for with MSFT stock funded by quarterly earnings reports.
• lykahb 6mo ago
  I wonder if the incentive structure shaped by the internal MS metrics has been updated to reflect this commitment. Otherwise, little is going to change.
• UberFly 6mo ago
  This effort by Microsoft is so limp. I don't think at this point they'll ever be able to create a desktop experience for users over their own needs.
• throwaway888abc 6mo ago
  First April already ?
• fatata123 6mo ago
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• spl757 6mo ago
  Reading this from the perspective of someone that hasn't used windows as a desktop for over 20 years, this reads like a list of features they removed over the years that they are putting back in, but announcing it like it's all new. What a load of bullshit.
• nailer 6mo ago
  Remove the ads from windows professional.
• LASR 6mo ago
  Just get rid of cheapstake garbage all around the OS and you’re golden.
• wltr 6mo ago
  I wish them what I wished them when Windows Vista was released, and I said to my friend something like ‘huh, we have all that in Linux’ What I meant is GUI, as I was just a beginner. Today, I don’t know, I really wanted to write LOL, like with the biggest possible font size, and some GIF that supports it, but we’re not like that here, right? So, again, I just wish them that I wished them that many years ago. And for the Linux desktop year to finally come. As it feels like we’re there already. I don’t see any point in willingly using Windows for an average Joe.
• tempodox 6mo ago
  How do they expect anyone to believe they can improve when they show a complete lack of understanding what they are doing wrong. The only message I get is that they think their audience consists of comlete morons. So nothing has changed at all.
• falldrown 6mo ago
  No surprise. Microsoft PowerToys took 4 years to implement "select UI language" feature. https://github.com/microsoft/PowerToys/issues/7670 https://github.com/microsoft/PowerToys/issues/7670
• 0dayman 6mo ago
  piece of surveillance garbage
• eviks 6mo ago
  ...is close to non-existent Otherwise it wouldn't take years to unbreak the simple stuff like taskbar positioning! > Thank you for holding us to a high standard "We" apologize for failing to do that! > moving core Windows experiences to the WinUI3 framework. Is that the framework that's incapable of the most basic frameworky thing - displaying non-blurry text and hopes that high-dpi screens will save us? > Enhancing Search: Delivering faster, more accurate results with consistent search experience across Windows surfaces > Substantially lower latency for search, Everything has existed for many years and solved the speed/latency! Some file managers were even smart enough to integrate it! > Improving the Start and Taskbar experience: Making these core Windows surfaces more reliable, flexible and personalized Similarly, Windhawk already exist, take that power and make it built-in and easier to mod/apply! P.S. By the way, when have we retired programs and apps? > File Explorer is one of the most used surfaces
• gloosx 6mo ago
  They had copilot in the SNIPPING TOOL? I really thought it is a meme
• ilitirit 6mo ago
  Too little, too late. In fact, in this post they seem to be committing to keeping it as bad (or even making it even worse) for my use case. I've used Windows since 3.1. Win 11 was the straw that broke the camel's back. I moved to CachyOS a few months ago and I honestly can't find a reason to switch back.
• csomar 6mo ago
  Windows is no longer on the dominant position it was 20 years ago when it had 90%+ marketshare: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-200901-202603 https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide... It's not sitting at 60-65% and has been slowly bleeding for the last 20 years or so. In my opinion, anyone who have figured out how to move his processes, has left the building and never checked back. Now Windows is being attacked aggressively from multiple fronts: - macbook neo. Apple is projected to sell roughly 5million of these this year. This is a segment that couldn't previously move out of Windows because of cost not Office. - improvement in Linux (Desktop/Gaming): This will eat another chunk for people whom Linux didn't function previously. - HarmonyOS Next. This is underestimated by the rest of the Western world. I think by 5-10 years most of China would have moved to its own OS. Windows highest marketshare is in Asia. The idea that Microsoft can exist on Azure/Office alone is not valid, in my opinion. Especially for Office, Windows is your portal to the rest of Microsoft stack. If you use HarmonyOS, you'll like use their own Office system. From there, they'll own the rest of the stack. tl;dr: MSFT is screwed and they know it. They are also going to do nothing about it.
• elmac 6mo ago
  Show it, don’t say it
• pipes 6mo ago
  Just get rid of the ads and stop presenting passive aggressive sign up screens that don't have a no button just a remind me in 3 days button. Oh and stop resetting preferences on update.
• suby 6mo ago
  Quality is not the issue. We should be more specific - Microsoft has been consciously employing dark patterns that they know will be harmful to users but they do not care because their incentives are misaligned. Employees of Microsoft have surely had meetings scheming of ways to degrade user experience for some internal metric they are trying to hit. A decade+ of conscious, willful decisions which negatively impact users. I personally will never forgive them for uploading the entirety of my users dir to OneDrive without asking for permission. They're --still-- doing this. Whatever decision making process they have in place that not only cooked this scheme up, but allowed it to continue for years must be broken beyond repair. It's contemptuous, backwards, and hostile to users. It cannot be condemned enough. This blog post talks about taskbar positioning and vaguely gesturing at quality, which is whatever. I'm not mad about removing features or even a higher incidence of bugs. I'm mad about hostile dark patterns that they have consciously chosen to employ at an ever increasing rate. I don't think you can fix this without drastic company wide changes. For as long as I live, if I have a choice, I will avoid Microsoft products. They cannot be trusted.
  • Gud 6mo ago
    Why will you not “forgive them”? That is a logical consequence of using a Microsoft operating system.
    • rmunn 6mo ago
      Making (and uploading) a copy of your data, which might include private documents or corporate secrets that you're contractually obligated NOT to disclose, without asking you permission? That's a "logical consequence" of using a Microsoft OS? If so, then that's the best argument I've heard for not trusting Microsoft.
    • xandrius 6mo ago
      It is not and let's not be silly now.
    • samrus 6mo ago
      I dont want to suffer the consequences of using a microsoft operating system. Id rather use linux or even mac
• butz 6mo ago
  I hope to see Microsoft Account required to run calculator.
• gamesbrainiac 6mo ago
  Why is there no off button for AI? What if I just don't want it? Your commitment to quality is skin deep.
• roflcopter69 6mo ago
  Maybe a bit of a weird analogy, but y'all know about the basic advice to not come back to your abusive ex? Don't trust Microsoft to always respect you as an user, even if they now are trying to tell you they'll change and do so again. It's all just damage control PR speak.
• rock_artist 6mo ago
  I see people mentioning Linux. And indeed Linux in general is now fairly compatible, especially in the age of web apps. Still, each time I install Ubuntu I discover unpolished side of Linux that makes it harder to recommend to the non technical user. After install I always need to figure something out, with Wayland the graphic stack is complex so even basic remote control (including the built in one) becomes a complex task. For governments: We already see some shift to OSS and non-US from all sort of reasons. For businesses: Tech companies are more agile to changing stacks and devices. But traditional business are less easy to switch. For private users: Younger generation will shape the future of the above. But there’s no real OS lock in today for general use. The MacBook Neo is great investment by Apple. Google might also introduce eventually something that fuse ChromeOS and Android in a way that will spark this discussion again. AI companies already shaping some ideas that will change OS workflows (yet OS product managers shouldn’t try to shove things as it is now - also mentioned in the above post) Anyway, future of OS will be very interesting
• chickensong 6mo ago
  I've been a Windows user since version 1.0 that I installed from 14 floppy disks on my IBM 286. It's been an interesting ride. I think Windows has had 4 peaks so far: Windows 95, NT, 2000, and 7. As one of their older customers, I feel mostly anger and sadness towards Microsoft. I get it, B2B pays and the average user is a plebe, but what a shame. Say what you want, but Microsoft has always explored and pushed boundaries of computing, but the company's aggressive nature is ultimately their downfall IMHO. Catering to business needs is understandable, but if all your relationships are adversarial, you're doomed to fail because nobody loves you. Taskbar position? El-Oh-El. Sucks to be tone-deaf I guess. Good luck with adding more widget controls.
• fortyseven 6mo ago
  Switched to Linux just before Windows 11 released, and I have zero regrets. You couldn't fucking pay me to go back. Linux isn't perfect, but I feel like I actually own my machine. And I can still do 99.9% of what I used to do.
• wartywhoa23 6mo ago
  Too late, M$! The ship has sailed. As a happy Ubuntu user for 3 years who finally transitioned to macOS, I can't care less about the abomination that Windows became.
• Ericson2314 6mo ago
  Just in time for https://github.com/nix-windows/nix-windows-demo https://github.com/nix-windows/nix-windows-demo, heh
• yammosk 6mo ago
  I am stuck on an arbitrary version of the Win 11 Preview from some years ago because at some point they decided my machine couldn't get updates. No technical reason just business. I can't update to the retail Win 11 and I can't downgrade to Win 10 without wiping my machine. I don't care about whatever new commitment they have, because it is clearly not to me.
• croes 6mo ago
  Fix your start menu. Typing three letters of the program name, seeing the program I want to start, typing the forth letter, and it’s gone. Instead many suggestions for a web search
• blippage 6mo ago
  You can have anything you want. You get what you design for. However, saying you're committed is not the same as being committed. Furrowing your brow and saying you'll try harder, even when you mean it, doesn't necessarily work, either. It needs trade-offs, and a willingness for abandon certain things as trade-offs. It requires an honest assessment. Stop updating the system every 5 minutes, stop with the advertising, stop with the user is the product mentality. Stop changing the interface. Stop with requiring a user account. Stop with the all your data are belong to us. Simplify. None of this will happen, of course. Corporate imperatives militate against it. Wanna improve Windows? How about having a two-year release cadence? Developers can get a technology preview, full of cavaet emptor achey breaky changes if they want. This allows them to develop for the next release. Sync the development tools (more importantly the libraries) like C++ in with the release. Include those libraries. The pay-off is, as if by magic, if a user downloads a program for Windows N, it will work. No extra libraries will be required because they'll already be included in the OS.
• waynecochran 6mo ago
  People are still using Windows?
• vendiddy 6mo ago
  I've come to expect that, every time I update and OS or app to a newer version, it's going to be slower and more bloated. Why can't it be the opposite? Why can't I expect an update to run faster than the previous version?
• nrclark 6mo ago
  If Windows wants to commit to quality and user experience, they can do it by moving closer to the experience that made a generation fall in love with it. - Turn Notepad back into a text editor. - Remove ads from your operating system. Yes it feels like a license to print money, but it makes your users hate your product. - Stop charging money for Freecell and Minesweeper. - Converge your three control panels back into one. The classic control panel was not broken. - Drop the mandatory Microsoft User accounts. Nobody wants this except your bean counters. When 3 out of these 5 happen, I'll believe that Microsoft is actually recommitting to their users.
• sto11z 6mo ago
  The only way they can pull this off is by creating a brand new OS from scratch which will be free from all the legacy bullshit that has been plaguing this platform since forever.
• justin66 6mo ago
  Nothing along the lines of just turning off AI and invasive telemetry. All that is available to users who have an entire corporate staff constantly managing their group policy settings, but doesn't seem available to the average schmoe. Never mind just using the computer without a Microsoft account. > Faster and more dependable File Explorer I wonder how many PhDs that will take.
• skeeter2020 6mo ago
  Too little, too late. After 30+ years of windows as a user 20+ as a developer I'm done. Aside from some infrequent gaming (and even that could largely be de-windowed) you've lost me completely. Your developer experience got _so good_ there for a while I was willing to put up with a lot of churn and dead-end tech. VB was so accessible, and .NET 2 (and then 4.x) framework was a great foundation. I even liked your phone OS! But then the personality split within MS seemed to grow. To over-simplify developers still seemed appreciated but consumers appeared outright hated, viewed as cattle to slaughter for immediate & personal gains. Then your technology story fragmented and got weirdly disjointed. Azure initially looked great as a platform when everyone else focused on lower-level infrastructure, but you couldn't get that right, and then inexplictably decided to build all sorts of wild niche products (services? platforms?) on top of it, often multiple versions. Meanwhile windows was allowed to become... I don't really know, a fast-food/slot machine/1986 telescreen embedded in my home and work? And to top it off the few places you moved towards others (WSL, terminal, .NET core) you helped give me the tools to get OFF of windows. In hindsight I'd say the future became clear when I learned about how SQL Server was reimplemented on Linux for Azure. This was an important, concrete demonstration how if something like SQL Server didn't need Windows, nothing did.
• thisisidiotic 6mo ago
  pfft. trust arrives on foot but leaves on horseback.
• EldrRoot 6mo ago
  The fact that Windows cannot even “Shutdown by default” when the user wishes to shut it down is a testament to the pile of garbage that it is. Trillions of dollars and you can’t even collect user data in an efficient way (which is the whole point of Windows, from what I understand now). No one asked for Recall, and shoving Copilot down our throats. It would be fine if the underlying engineering had any sort of merit. It doesn’t. They cannot even handle scheduling in asymmetric SOC setups (big-little, dual CCD with 3D V-cache). Linux and macOS have solved this years ago. The only access you can give to an anticheat is exactly what you’d also give to an antimalware - unnecessarily broad. Does this trillion dollar company even understand the basics of security? I bought an Xbox Ally X to play game pass games on the go, and I kid you not, I couldn’t get to a point where I was installing games until 17 hours of ownership. In stark contrast, I was downloading a game at minute 16 with a steam Deck. Once Nvidia solves for the DX12 performance in Linux, I will exorcise my computer of Windows for good. And for the games that do not support anticheat on Linux, well, I’ll just not play them. I have zero dependence on commercial crapware that Adobe releases. Looking forward to living without Windows! I wish Windows ceases to exist in consumer hardware. Stick to enterprise laptops and stay there.
• Newbie4E 6mo ago
  Give consumers the choice of a perpetual licence (LTSC-like), at a cost. Optionally, give them the equivalent of EntraID for consumers, a Microsoft account that is never tied to the advertising ecosystem, also at a cost. Keep fixing bugs. That's all.
• fortranfiend 6mo ago
  I'll believe it when I see the quality increase.
• gradientsrneat 6mo ago
  As other commenters have alluded to, due to the timing, this is likely in response to the "Microslop" nickname catching on. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47216047 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47216047 Microsoft's PR team is in damage control mode right now. Some commenters have pointed out that it's in response to the release of the Macbook Neo. I would argue that, if people were satisfied with the Windows OS, they wouldn't feel the need to jump ship. Ditto for Linux/SteamOS. Other likely confounding factors: The unnecessarily different hardware requirements of Windows 11, combined with Windows 10 Home reaching EOL in the United States, likely left some users feeling alienated. The temporary-but-still-painful hardware cost crunch puts more pressure on software developers to improve their software on existing hardware rather than hoping their users will upgrade.
• zimmund 6mo ago
  Honestly, it feels like McDonald's commiting to food quality. At the end of the day it's still a bland burger.
• mvdwoord 6mo ago
  Only need Windows occasionally but only use it in a VM nowadays, using Win11 LTSC / IoT with massgrave.dev activation. Of course that is as a private person, not a company. Employees remain screwed.
• mancerayder 6mo ago
  There's no accident. The OS isn't led astray by overzealous product managers or 'out of touch' with users. I think we are projecting our own experiences in our own companies. I think instead there's a deliberate attempt to transform the entire experience into an agentic-driven UI to replace the organization of the UI elements. In other words, tell the AI you want to open X, you want Y changed in settings, etc. Users don't want this, and it doesn't matter - it turns Windows into a sort of ad-serving, auto-updating, spying operating system that behaves more like an appliance. I'm looking forward to ditching it as my only reason was gaming on my Nvidia hardware, and now Linux is ready (or so they tell me). But people raised on this 'new' Windows experience will never have known anything different. People-who-are-not-us, the average people, don't mind ads, being spied on, and being told what to watch. Isn't popularity of TikTok, the rampant posting of personal stuff on social media, and the like enough evidence? We're going to all turn into Richard Stallman (although I heard a rumor bathing is as distasteful as Windows to him).
• 000ooo000 6mo ago
  >We are introducing the ability to reposition it [taskbar] to the top or sides of your screen *reintroducing Windows is terminal. Taskbar on the top isn't changing that. It has product manager rot. Good luck ousting the people with the power these days.
• dplesh 6mo ago
  Been on Windows 10 for some years now. I was about to install Ubuntu on an empty partition and start porting my PC to it. Then I saw this article. I think I'll return to moving my PC to Linux :)
• tsoukase 6mo ago
  The elephant in the room with Windows is that they are a bunch of bloated binary malware from the kernel to userland, that, not only cause a massive security hole wide open and spy on users, but we don't know what else happens under our nose. I am of the opinion that if the OS is not open source, it's not your device.
• zecg 6mo ago
  > What came through was the voice of people who care deeply about Windows and want it to be better. Fuck your weasel words
• Friedduck 6mo ago
  There is so much wrong with Windows. So many neglected corners that have existed for decades and their response is to add AI. Fix settings. Fix UI customization. Fix notifications. Fix search. Fix multitasking and network blocking. Fix sleep behavior. I could go on. They need an entire year of house-cleaning before they add AI.
• pugchat 6mo ago
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• azv_ 6mo ago
  After downgrading from Windows 11 to 10 last year, I got rid of my last Windows PC in favor of Mac mini. It's too late for me, I lost all remaining trust in MS, I'm not looking back. I might get the Steam machine if it's well received after release.