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Eat Real Food
- adaszko 8mo agoJust compare this with actual scientific findings and see for yourself: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-025-03570-5 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-025-03570-5
- pelf 8mo agoFor the lazier folk: > Higher intakes of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, unsaturated fats, nuts, legumes and low-fat dairy products were linked to greater odds of healthy aging, whereas higher intakes of trans fats, sodium, sugary beverages and red or processed meats (or both) were inversely associated.
- liveoneggs 8mo agoThat article uses the Nurse's Health Study and nurses are some of the least healthy people I've ever met.
- adaszko 8mo agoHow are you going to infer what's harmful if you're only going to research healthy people?
- liveoneggs 8mo agoI was joking but, actually, it's just random food surveys and the categories are too broad to take seriously. Tons of studies are based on this data and just look at our outcomes. This data is poison.
- vixen99 8mo ago'America is sick. The data is clear' With an US obesity rate of what, 40% and horrible health stats overall, not much to argue over. Something should happen.
- malkia 8mo agoMake Jerkey Without Sugar Again!
- ubicomp 8mo agoIs there a note about glyphosate here? I don't see it.
- jostmey 8mo agoMakes sense to me! And poor diet is probably one of the biggest problems in the United States
- throwfaraway4 8mo agoMakes sense. Now make protein affordable.
- dewfaced 8mo agoSoylent Green is people!
- the__alchemist 8mo agoMmm.. IMO we have the opposite problem: Meat is too cheap due to subsidies , compared to its environmental and ethical impact.
- observationist 8mo agoThe disparity between prices in blue states and red states is bonkers - a 10-15% difference in costs. Under $2.00 per dozen eggs (on sale, ~$3.00 normally, seems to be trending down too?) where I'm at contrasted to $4.00 or higher in big cities. The closer you live to ranches and farms, the cheaper the meat, as well. If you go to farmers and ranchers directly, source your protein well, make a monthly trip out to the boonies, cross state lines, etc, you can get some serious savings. Hopefully things trend down this year, things have been rough over the last several years.
- tracker1 8mo agoIronically, since the pandemic junk foods have gone up in price much higher relative to meat and eggs.
- Alupis 8mo agoBeef may be crazy prices right now, but chicken is still very cheap and very healthy. Chicken breast here in a moderate HCOL area can be found for around $2.50/lb.
- tracker1 8mo agoSimilarly, we usually buy several Turkeys for the deep freezer when they're on sale, I also find pork close to $1/lb a few times a year. Eggs are usually pretty well priced but I tend to prefer pasture raised.
- lanyard-textile 8mo agoAnd 100 years from now, will we still call it the New Pyramid? :) I guess we still call it New York...
- jjkaczor 8mo agoGreat! How will the reductions in consumer protection, health, FDA, etc. - by this current administration impact that? https://www.food-safety.com/articles/11004-a-2025-timeline-of-us-federal-food-safety-changes-under-the-trump-admin https://www.food-safety.com/articles/11004-a-2025-timeline-o...
- CGMthrowaway 8mo agoI see how the article is framed, but I see a lot of good things in that timeline: MAHA Commission assessing health risks from food ingredients and chemicals and developing a strategy to combat childhood chronic disease Closing the GRAS loophole Phasing out synthetic food dyes $235 million specifically aimed at improving nutrition, controlling food additives and addressing food safety $15 million specifically for modernizing infant formula oversight $7 million to support critical laboratory operations
- russdill 8mo agoAnything with money amounts, my next question is how much money were we previously spending on that thing.
- websiteapi 8mo agoIf simply spending money worked USA would be the most healthy.
- russdill 8mo agoLook, we could spend a fraction of what we do, but then there would be people who get things for free or even fraudulently. You can see just how bad that would be from an American mindset.
- CGMthrowaway 8mo agoRoughly $20-30 million/year specifically aimed at nutrition, additives and diet-related food safety. So this is a 8-10x increase.
- pimlottc 8mo agoThis website is far too complicated, just show a clear, labeled image of the new pyramid. This is designed to scare people, not inform them.
- knollimar 8mo agoI don't think they have a visually representative pyramid. The guidelines seem at ends with their half baked image imo
- jdoe1337halo 8mo agoI get having issues with RFK and the way the administrations handles health issues surrounding vaccines, but this seems pretty solid.
- black_puppydog 8mo agoLol good one. Anything matching .real.\.gov$ can be discarded as BS these days... Edit: Actually make that simply .*\.gov$ It's unbelievable to which point this clown show has permanently dismantled US soft power. Guess they think they have enough hard power to compensate. What with all that good raw milk and meat they're eating...
- galoisscobi 8mo agoIronic that a steak is one of the three things showing up on the landing page. Is that the beef lobby money coming in? I enjoy an occasional steak but if the goal is to improve diet of masses, it’s not the food I’d put at the center.
- _dark_matter_ 8mo agoWhole milk, cheese, and steak are not the usual foods I associate with health. Unfortunately this is not backed by scientific evidence.
- badc0ffee 8mo agoRed meat has a link to colorectal cancer.
- CompoundEyes 8mo agoI visited a heart doctor at Duke research medical center a few years back. His comments then were that dairy products were the most inflammatory foods for humans and a major contributor to heart disease by gunking up our bloodstreams.
- Finnucane 8mo agoRFKjr, the guy who feeds roadkill to his brain worm, thinks more saturated fat = good, 'seed oil' = bad.
- overgard 8mo agoRFKjr is generally an idiot, but saturated fat = good, seed oil = bad is actually correct. For instance: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/seed-oils-are-they-actually-toxic https://health.clevelandclinic.org/seed-oils-are-they-actual... Saturated fats are good because they're more stable than poly-unsaturated fats for instance. If you do consume a seed oil (which you really shouldn't -- there's no benefit), you should get a cold-pressed one. But that would be more expensive, so if you're paying more you might as well just get something good like avacado oil or coconut oil.
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- bwestergard 8mo ago"In February 2010, Michelle Obama launched “Let’s Move!” with a wide-ranging plan to curb childhood obesity. The campaign took aim at processed foods, flagged concerns about sugary drinks, and called for children to spend more time playing outside and less time staring at screens. The campaign was roundly skewered by conservatives... But the strategy that Kennedy’s HHS is using to address the problem so far—pressuring food companies to alter their products instead of introducing new regulations—is the same one that Obama relied on, and will likely fall short for the same reason hers did a decade ago." https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2025/09/maha-lets-move-kennedy-michelle-obama/684067/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2025/09/maha-lets...
- bruceb 8mo agoNot just pressure. Stoping SNAP benefits from funding these sugar and oil peddlers is a good thing.
- EvanAnderson 8mo agoMeta comment: The design aesthetic gives me a real "Cards Against Humanity" feel.
- the__alchemist 8mo ago> Whole grains are encouraged. Refined carbohydrates are not. Prioritize fiber-rich whole grains and significantly reduce the consumption of highly processed, refined carbohydrates that displace real nourishment. I am consternated at the proliferation of refined grains. Here are my USA observations: - Grocery store or Amazon etc: Whole grain breads and flours are in the minority, but it's possible to get them - Restaurants and bakeries: Impossible to find whole grains; 100% refined IMO it's a no-brainer to eat the healthier stuff that has bran + endosperm intact instead of removing and attempting ton add back the micro-nutrients. (While still missing the fiber)
- opwieurposiu 8mo agoMy understanding is that whole grain flour is not very shelf stable, ie. you have to grind it and use it within a few days or starts to taste bad. White flour lasts years. A small flour mill is not that expensive, I wonder why more places do not grind their own flour?
- samrus 8mo agoAs someone with psoriotic arthritis, this is just my diet (plus avoiding gluten) and honestly following it has made me feel alot better even aside from preventing the psoriosis Good initiative from the government, i wouldnt have expected them to do something that messes with junk food corporations profits like this
- eloisius 8mo agoYeah, I was expecting read something that made me mad, but this is basically how I’ve eaten my whole life. I’ve never subscribed to any special diet, but I like whole milk, I like eating meat and veggies, I don’t enjoy sliced bread, and I avoid sugary things. I walk a lot every day. Probably thanks to genetics, but I’ve been thin my whole life and the only chronic issues I’ve had tend to be muscle-tendon things from bad posture while sitting at the computer, or overdoing it when I get into a hobby like bouldering. Near 40 and I hope I can keep my health and be active well into my 70s at least.
- kzrdude 8mo agoExactly, if one eats like the top shelf of the pyramid (minus the milk products) this looks like autoimmune protocol diets.
- hahahahhaah 8mo agoI am not sure it messes with their profits at all. For comparison think about smoking. Imagine a government 70s ad that says "As a nation we are now not smoking and showed people enjoying themselves without a cigatette", but in addition cigatettes carry on being sold anyway. The addiction wins.
- Anonyneko 8mo agoI just refer to the official Finnish nutrition guidelines, they seem pretty reasonable. https://www.ruokavirasto.fi/en/foodstuffs/healthy-diet/nutrition-and-food-recommendations/adults/ https://www.ruokavirasto.fi/en/foodstuffs/healthy-diet/nutri...
- CGMthrowaway 8mo agoObesity among Finns is increasing. https://thl.fi/en/-/risk-factors-that-expose-finns-to-chronic-diseases-have-decreased-but-obesity-continues-to-increase https://thl.fi/en/-/risk-factors-that-expose-finns-to-chroni...
- anttiharju 8mo agoCoincidentally, MAHA means stomach/tummy/belly in Finnish.
- clydethefrog 8mo agoI liked the Canada food guide. https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/ https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/ Discussion in 2019: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18985017 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18985017
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- drstewart 8mo agoHalf of the criticisms in here apply 100% to Canada's guide, yet somehow the discussion about Canada back in 2019 doesn't include them. Gee, I wonder why.
- isoprophlex 8mo agolet me first post a shallow, obligatory complaint about the unreadability of this submission due to egregious scrolljacking. for those interested without getting angered by weird scroll behavior, see below. too bad there's such a focus on animal protein/products, which isn't all that good if you want to design a world-wide society of billions of people that's going to last into the next 1000 years. seems like at least half of the pyramid was designed by Big Agro lobbyists. other than that, i guess anything's better than what the average american eats now. ---- Protein, Dairy, & Healthy Fats: We are ending the war on protein. Every meal must prioritize high-quality, nutrient-dense protein from both animal and plant sources, paired with healthy fats from whole foods such as eggs, seafood, meats, full-fat dairy, nuts, seeds, olives, and avocados. Protein target: 1.2–1.6 grams per kilogram of body weight per day. Vegetables & Fruits: Vegetables and fruits are essential to real food nutrition. Eat a wide variety of whole, colorful, nutrient-dense vegetables and fruits in their original form, prioritizing freshness and minimal processing. Vegetables: 3 servings per day. Fruits: 2 servings per day. Whole Grains: Whole grains are encouraged. Refined carbohydrates are not. Prioritize fiber-rich whole grains and significantly reduce the consumption of highly processed, refined carbohydrates that displace real nourishment. Target: 2–4 servings per day.
- JohnMakin 8mo agoIt is so fitting that this particular announcement was built with the worst website style to emerge since the 90’s
- cpursley 8mo agoStick with this list and kick the refined carbs, limit even whole grains and no sugar (including most alcohol) and it's actually difficult to be over 15% body fat even if you overeat all the rest (assuming no hormonal issues, that can throw a wrench into things).
- alexjplant 8mo agoAlcohol is neither a carb nor sugar and weight is largely a function of calories in versus calories out. All of the hand-wringing about HFCS and seed oils and deep fried Crisco is misplaced; while these things are all unhealthy in their own way obesity is largely a function of sedentary lifestyles and overeating. Nobody wants to hear that they're a lazy glutton, however, so pop health media conflates various causes and effects. In other words eating foods with higher satiety and lower macronutrient density and walking more is harder than introducing a new dietary restriction to combat the "monster of the week" - inflammation, microbiome imbalance, etc.
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- overgard 8mo agoI'm pleasantly surprised, this is actually really good. The reason I'm surprised is because of how corrupt the creation of the previous food pyramid was (the sugar industry likely paid to downplay the danger of sugar[1]) I find when it comes to health advice, generally government sources can't be trusted because there's too much special interests and money involved. You really have to do your own research. [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074...
- CGMthrowaway 8mo agohttps://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/03/opinion/dyor-do-your-own-research.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/03/opinion/dyor-do-your-own-...
- overgard 8mo agoUnfortunately it's pay-walled so I can't read it, I can only react to the headline. But yes, of course with "do your own research" it's "not that simple", but any student of history should know that you should have a very healthy skepticism of any official or mainstream source. For some reason we think in modernity that we've gotten everything right, and it's only in the past that the official explanations were wrong. My money is on the experts being wrong about a lot of things in this era too.
- jonasdegendt 8mo agohttps://archive.is/NhyjE https://archive.is/NhyjE
- sallveburrpi 8mo agoThe biggest issue with sugar is that it makes stuff taste better which leads to overeating. Incidentally it’s also the only downside of glutamate, it just makes stuff taste so good you’ll eat much more than your appetite would guide you to
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- schmuckonwheels 8mo agoTaking away sugary slop is a tragedy?
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- overgard 8mo agoSo... people should eat more refined carbohydrates and sugar?
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- overgard 8mo agoI agree on deranged when it comes to RFK, but this food advice is actually very scientifically aligned. You have to keep in mind there's an entire bureaucracy underneath the guy, he didn't write this all himself. There are probably SOME people there that know what they're talking about. React to the information not the source.
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- criddell 8mo agoI always wish they would include a sample menu for one week that hits the daily recommended dose for every vitamin, mineral, fat, etc... without going over some calorie limit.
- bruceb 8mo agoOne of the dumbest, frustrating things during Obama's Administration was the partisan Republican attack on Michelle Obama's push for healthier school lunches. Democrats should not reflexive be against this just because they don't like the current president or HHS secetry. Same thing with the restrictions on buying soda and junk food with SNAP. The supermarket is filled with processed food. Black cat/White cat whatever catches the mouse. The push to eat real food is good. Embrace it even if you don't like people behind it.
- blargthorwars 8mo agoOur kids lived the change: school meals went from decently school-made food with lots of variety to prepackaged stuff from a distributor. The intent was good....perhaps... but the processed food manufacturers made bank.
- jorblumesea 8mo agoThe current plan, as proposed, isn't even accurate or helpful. It has butter under healthy fats, which it is not. "meat" is thoroughly vague and red meat is very different from fish and poultry. Red meat of all types are filled with saturated fats associated with cvd and ldl-c levels. It's not scientific and that's exactly what you'd expect out of RFK and MAHA movement.
- schmuckonwheels 8mo agoSpeaking from personal experience, this is consistent with multiple doctors over the years recommending high-protein, low carb diets. (Clarification: low does not mean no carb.) I don't understand people freaking out over this - outside of a purely political reflex - hell hath no fury like taking away nerds' Mountain Dew and Flamin' Hot Cheetos. Nor do I understand the negative reactions to new restrictions on SNAP - candy and sugary drinks are no longer eligible.
- arbywhy 8mo agoThe poors should have NO dopamine, nor pleasure, certainly not simple basic ones!
- bruceb 8mo agoPure partisan spite. The gov't not spending money on candy and sugary drinks is good. Just like when Michelle Obama pushed for better school lunches.
- ecshafer 8mo agoOne of the best litmus tests for Democrat or Republican I have found is "Should people on food stamps be able to buy mountain dew / candy / etc with them?", very low false positive rate in either direction. But regardless I have it on very good authority that with the BBB some within the Republican party wanted to limit EBT to only be able to purchase healthy food. No soda, no candy, no chips, etc. A couple calls from Coke, Pepsi, etc lobbyists shot that down.
- 303uru 8mo agoWhy should they not, what is with this parental-ism? Should Social Security recipients be able to buy candy? Should my employer get to choose what food I can purchase?
- brainwad 8mo agoFood stamps are an inherently paternalistic program. The whole point is to ensure people get enough to eat, even when they can't or won't provide for themselves. Same with other voucher or in-kind welfare programs in housing, healthcare, education, etc.
- shrubby 8mo agoProtein intale seems crazy. 0,9 grams per kg of LEAN weight is more than enough for normal activity. You don't need to feed the fat any protein as it will only accumulate more fat. And food produces a third of the emissions of humankind out of which full vegan would obliterate two thirds as in total of 25% of our emissions. Add the land use rewilding effect of 50-100 gigaton and we'd be net neutral with this one change. Considering the iconic burning Macdonalds video and this recommendation we seem to be doomed. I'm lovin it.
- drakythe 8mo agoDisregarding comments on the proposed diet (as I am not qualified to comment and it all feels relatively like what I have passively absorbed over the past decade anyway): Why, WHY, does this page act like an Apple marketing page and require so much scrolling??? Thanks. I hate it.
- tracker1 8mo agoYeah, I hate the progressive scrolling crap myself too.
- neversettles 8mo agoI also feel there's a role that cooking equipment plays in weight loss. I've found that having newer, higher quality non stick pans helps me recognize I don't need to oil my pans with as much butter.
- tayo42 8mo agoMore bro science, doesn't this have issues with plastics?
- FumblingBear 8mo agoModerately amused at the quote "We are ending the war on protein." In my experience, every single brand in recent years has been coalescing around the idea of making protein bars, drinks, prominently labeling the amount of grams of protein are in items, etc. I'm not opposed, as protein seems to be a good target to prioritize, but claiming there's a war on protein just seems so out of touch to the point of absurdity. It's practically the only thing that people care about right now.
- schmuckonwheels 8mo ago> protein bars, drinks, prominently labeling the amount of grams of protein Most of which are loaded with crazy amounts of sugar to make them taste good. Have you ever looked at the label on a cup of non-plain "Greek" yogurt? (Which is 90% of the yogurt aisle.)
- tracker1 8mo agoNot to mention, that refined proteins don't have well balanced amino acid profiles and the lack of well balanced essential fatty acids to go with them is also a serious issue IMO.
- CGMthrowaway 8mo agoYour comment applies almost exclusively to plant-based protein (as opposed to milk, egg or other animal protein)
- tracker1 8mo agoMilk, egg and other animal proteins are mostly consumed whole, and not refined, which does tend to reduce the completeness. ex: Whey protein isolate is less complete than actual milk... though milk has sugars and enzymes that you may not want to consume.
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- sudobash1 8mo ago> Protein target: 1.2–1.6 grams per kilogram of body weight per day. I was amused to see (kilo)grams used for the weights. I'll admit that as an American, I have no idea what my weight is in kilograms. Body weight is something that I always think of in pounds. I do use grams sometimes in food prep, but I think even that makes me a bit of an abnormality around here. Not that I am complaining about their unit choice. I think American's would do well to be a bit more "bilingual" in our measurement systems. Also, the measurements they give are a lot easier to parse than 3/128 oz per 1lb bodyweight.
- CGMthrowaway 8mo agoNutrition labels are already in grams. I agree g/lb would be more readable, somebody probably raised their hand though and said "we're mixing system"
- NewJazz 8mo agoMore like all the research uses g/kg
- tracker1 8mo agoThere are 2.2lb in 1jg... practically, just cut the amount in half (0.6-0.8g per lb of lean body weight). I say lean body weight as if you are overweight the target isn't the same.
- kzrdude 8mo agoI think it's really slow, but youtube & internet has me hopeful that metric units are coming through slowly, for example for cooking.
- tracker1 8mo agos/1.2 to 1.4g of protein per kg of body weight/... lean body weight/ If you're overweight, your protein target should be based on your lean mass, not your excess mass. While you can have more, you're likely better off conserving the calories. Also, personally, I tend to recommend at least 0.5g fat to 1g protein. This seems to be pretty close to what you get from a lot of healthy protein sources and given that you actually need a certain amount of essential fatty acids for your body to function, I find this helps from digestion, glucose control, satiety and even weight loss.
- qgin 8mo agoIs there any evidence that what people actually eat is influenced by government guidelines? I have a hard time imagining someone seeing this and making an actual changing to their life in any way.
- bradfa 8mo agoIt may affect school lunch menus as much of the funding for school lunch programs is guided by the USDA. So, yes, lots of kids' diets may be affected by this during the school year.
- eYrKEC2 8mo agoGovernment Orthodoxy is what is taught to your children. You won't believe or accept the new Orthodoxy. But your children will.
- jordanpg 8mo agoFTFY: Eat Real Food -- if you can afford it and have time to. But I'm sure the Administration will accompany this release with various programs to boost access for the bottom 50% to fresh produce, meat, etc. right?
- dooglius 8mo agoThe actual PDF here: https://cdn.realfood.gov/DGA.pdf https://cdn.realfood.gov/DGA.pdf once you wade through the atrocious scroll-jacking
- ks2048 8mo agoIs an upside-down Pyramid still a Pyramid? I thought the analogy was supposed to be a stable (wide) base forms the foundation of your diet.
- nihakue 8mo agoHow is it possible that beef, dairy, and chicken are front and center while Lentils, Tofu (or even just soy), Chickpeas, Nutritional Yeast, Broccoli, etc are all left off? Why do they arbitrarily split "protein" and "fruit/veg" given that most/all of the most protein dense foods are vegetables/legumes? Steak is a terrible source of protein (in terms of nutrient density). Immediately pretty suspicious.
- samiv 8mo agoSteak is actually an excellent source of protein (and fat, if you get the fattier steak as you should). Just because vegetables, lentils or nuts contain protein it doesn't mean it's the same/equivalent to the protein in an animal product. Meat is actually super easy for humans to digest and it has no downsides to it. All vegetables on the other side contain plenty of anti-nutrients such as folate and oxalates. Everything in human body, skin, connective tissues, tendons, hair, nails, muscles is essentially built out of protein and collagen. Fats are essential for hormone function.
- nihakue 8mo agoIt's a good point, and maybe Broccoli isn't then as compelling as something like tofu, which contains nearly as much (and nearly as bio available) protein/calorie as lean steak. I guess I'd challenge the 'no downsides' claim. Few people stick to super lean grass-fed cuts, and the picture on the site is even a ribeye steak :P The protein density (g/kcal) of a ribeye steak is basically the same as tofu (I think like 14g/100kcal vs 11g/100kcal in tofu) I know I'm moving the goal posts slightly (I admit I didn't know about bio availability, and see now that I have more to read up on e.g. Broccoli), but am learning as I discuss rather than arguing a fixed point.
- treis 8mo agoThe bigger problem is nutritional density. I tried meeting the 1-1.5 g/kg protein level through a vegetarian whole grains diet and it's a lot of flipping food. Equivalent of like 3kg of chickpeas a day to make it. It was definitely eye opening on the sort of ancient benefit of meat. It's really hard to reach your muscular potential without it.
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- literallyroy 8mo agoAny recommendations for healthy family eating that doesn’t require an hour every day?
- bradfa 8mo agoCook very large or numerous portions. Use what you need for 1 meal, freeze the rest to save for future meals. Based on how much your family eats in that first meal, divide up the remaining amount into that sized portions when freezing. Warm up the frozen food in the oven (still may take an hour, but you can do other things during that time). Frozen vegetables are pretty cheap and easy to warm up quickly in the microwave or an air fryer. They may not be as good for you as fresh produce, but that can be a reasonable tradeoff based on the season and free time. Chest freezers are reasonably cheap to buy (new or used) and cheap to operate, assuming you have the physical space and an open electrical outlet. They don't consume much electricity, mine uses about 75W for the compressor (when it's running, which is less than 50% of the time) and about 250W for the defrost heaters (which seem to turn on for about 15 minutes roughly once per day.
- otikik 8mo agoYes, batch cooking! One extra thing to consider is preparing something that can transform easily into many dishes. We cook a "big meal" every weekend (now in winter time is chickpea+meat stew - "cocido madrileño"). It takes around 1 hour to make, but the time is not proportional to the quantity. So we make enough for 3-4 meals for my family of 3 on a big pot. The nice thing about this stew in particular is that you can reserve the liquid, meat and chickpeas in separate containers in the fridge. The liquid is a very good base broth for soups (heat up, add some noodles, done in minutes). The meat can be consumed cold, or can be the meaty base of other things (croquettes). We can also rebuild the dish by adding broth, chickpeas and meat into a plate and microwaving it (again, minutes). Or we can add some rice and have a "paella de cocido" (that takes a bit longer, around 25 minutes). You have to adapt this idea to whatever is available to you in your area and your personal tastes. Perhaps you can prepare a big batch of mexican food, to eat in tacos/wraps/with salad. Or some curry base that can double up as a soup.
- legitster 8mo ago"We're ending the war on protein" Weird branding and culture war stuff aside, this is probably the least objectionable thing this health administration has done. That said, I don't know if this would actually move the needle much. The Japanese diet includes so much more processed foods and less protein and they still live longer, healthier lives. I think the ultimate factors are still portion sizes, environment, activity, and genetics.
- elicash 8mo agoThe new pyramid appears to have LESS protein in it than the Michelle Obama 2011 version, MyPlate.
- bamboozled 8mo agoIt's just all macho nonsense to make them think they're going to turn everyone into navy seals or something, the same reason they install gyms and pull up bars at airports...it makes a certain demographic excited that this is the end of gay / fat / weak people or something.
- geon 8mo ago> Every meal must prioritize high-quality, nutrient-dense protein from both animal and plant sources Are they saying Real Food™ is incompatible with vegetarianism?
- aero142 8mo agoYes. They probably are, but it's moderately hard to eat a healthy vegetarian diet if you look at what vegetarian athletes actually eat.
- knollimar 8mo agoThis isn't a pyramid? Also I'm no health expert but this seems like a ton of protein. I'd like to see what a day of this diet looks like
- shellac 8mo ago> This isn't a pyramid? Thank you for saying this. It immediately drove me crazy.
- smeej 8mo agoAlso came looking for this comment. I get the symbolism of leaving grains at the bottom, but it's dumb. Just turn the darn thing over. I won't even complain much about having the bottom bulk be "meat, vegetables, and fruit" with just a tiny layer of grains at the top. But this is a funnel, not a pyramid.
- knollimar 8mo agoIt's not even that that bothers me; it's that 5 of the categories occupy the same level, and don't show recommended ratios between them. I don't think their own science agrees with them either (e.g. red meats)
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- cosmicgadget 8mo agoI hear Greenland was a hive of ANTIPRO activity.
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- didibus 8mo agoThe only change from the previous dietary recommendations that I can see is that they recommend a bit of a smaller portion of veggies and a bit of a bigger portion of protein. Everything else seems exactly the same. I think it's mostly just that there's loud talking points now and they're marketing it heavily to make it feel like it's their idea when it's already been the official guidelines for a while.
- 1970-01-01 8mo agoWhy does it have to be another pyramid? Why can't we just use a simple pie chart? With a pie chart, we could compare both calorie ratios and daily ratios much easier.
- cosmicgadget 8mo agoPies are too processed.
- parrellel 8mo agoLet's see what the people who want to Make Mumps Great Again are recommending today? 64oz rare porterhouse breakfasts is it. Neat.
- chrsw 8mo agoGreat. Now let's start replacing fast food places with places that still serve you quickly but serve healthy food. Complete meals of whole foods. One of the problems with the way we live and work is that it's so easy to go for the quick option. If you're working 60+ hours a week or trying to run a busy household, unhealthy food options are really attractive for you because they're so convenient. People generally know what good food is, it's just that they make the sacrifice because there's other things going on in their lives. I've said things like this before and people respond like "well, I run my own business and raise a family and volunteer at my church and so on and on... AND cook perfectly healthy meals 3 times a day!" That's awesome for you, you're amazing, but let's get real.
- tracker1 8mo agoThere's a chain here in Phoenix called "Salad and Go" that's pretty awesome... I'd love to see a fast food place that specializes in breakfast items that include keto bread options and low carb bowls all day. I'll also get plain beef patties or grilled chicken breasts from misc fast food places in a pinch.
- zahlman 8mo agoWasn't Panera supposed to be this, before the hyper-caffeinated lemonade scandal at least?
- toyetic 8mo agoI think this was ( at least in theory ) the goal of the “slop” bowls we’ve seen pop up in the last 15 or so years, chipotle, cava, sweetgreans etc.
- diath 8mo agoFish, lean beef, chicken, eggs, kefir, milk, cheese, rice, potatoes, EVOO, fruit and vegetables is all you need for peak athletic performance and optimal hormonal profile.
- cpursley 8mo agoKefir is amazing! My breakfast is now a Kefir shake with a half a ripe banana (those two work together), handful of frozen quality strawberries or blueberries, scoop of no-sugar added peanut butter and a pinch of salt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kefir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kefir If you're stateside, you can buy it at Publix and other groceries: https://www.publix.com/pd/lifeway-lifeway-original-plain-kefir/RIO-PCI-155362 https://www.publix.com/pd/lifeway-lifeway-original-plain-kef... What is EVOO btw?
- tracker1 8mo agoExtra Virgin Olive Oil... a mono-unsaturated fatty acid blend that's one of the healthier minimally processed oils. Not great for medium to high heat cooking. Avocado oil has a similar nutritional profile and can tolerate a bit higher heat. If you are doing anything resembling frying or higher heat cooking you're likely better off with a more saturated fat option, tallow/lard.
- victor_y 8mo agoI think the effort is valuable, however hard for individuals to act upon to effectively improve their diet. A simple do / don't list serves this better: Do: - Do consume more legumes or beans, lentils and peas. - Do consume more fish (low lead options) - Do consume more vegetables and fruit Don't - Don't consume alcohol or other harmful drugs - Don't consume sweetened items (either added sugars or artificial sweeteners) - Avoid processed food (try to cook as much as possible) Feel like this is more helpful for 99% of people.
- dooglius 8mo agoI thought I recall from reading a previous 5-year one of these there being much more explicit information on ranges of micro-nutrients one should get (e.g. an explicit recommendation for how much Vitamin C to get). Is there an equivalent somewhere here?
- jasonlotito 8mo agoWar on protein? I don't know of any war on protein, but I do live in a more liberal area than the rest of the country. Considering this is coming from a more conservative government, I wonder what war on protein is going on in conservative areas of the country. Why were conservatives having a war on protein?
- mythrwy 8mo agoGeeze that's bad! Can we just show the pyramid and some text?
- NickC25 8mo agoI own and run a CPG beverage company. This is a good start. A start. The folks at the top, including RFK Jr. are still captured by big industry. We need to get off of corn syrup, artificial ingredients, and harmful preservatives. That said, food deserts still exist, and real whole food is expensive, especially in a time of dire economic stress. I thought that's what subsidies were for, but apparently they are for enriching Big Food / Big Ag executives, their lobbyists, and their bought-and-paid-for congresscritters. We also need to realize we've been duped for generations into liking things that are overly sweet. Sweet is fine, but we don't need to add stevia or sugar to everything. One of my biggest walls of resistance that I see regularly with my own products is that people have been conditioned to expect that everything in my vertical is super sweet. Just last week I had a parent complain at a sampling that my drink wasn't as sweet as Prime, and thus it's shit. Prime has over an ounce of added sugar in its bottles. I'm marketing to an entirely different set of consumer, too. I offered her a million USD in cash if I could name 10 ingredients on a Prime bottle, and she'd tell me what the ingredient was for, why it helped her son, and the natural origin of the ingredient. She accepted, couldn't get past 1, and then told me that it didn't matter - her son liked what he liked and that's what she was going to buy. We've spoiled generations of people into accepting super sweet things with no idea of why something is or isn't sweet. One thing I also do is that (i have the luxury of time to do this, which I recognize is something not everyone has) if i want something really sweet and it's not a fruit, I generally make it myself. If I am having a birthday party, I'll make the cake myself. If my nephew wants to leave christmas cookies out for Santa, I'll make them myself. If I want ice cream, I have an ice cream machine and I'll make it myself.
- zahlman 8mo ago> That said, food deserts still exist, and real whole food is expensive, especially in a time of dire economic stress. I can still routinely get potatoes in season at 20c/lb, carrots in season at 40c/lb, bananas at 60c/lb, dried legumes at $1/lb or not much more, frozen ground meat in the ballpark of $3/lb, eggs for less than $4/dz (almost as much protein as a pound of fatty meat), boneless skinless chicken breast under $5/lb, butter and cheddar cheese at right about $5/lb, 2% milk at $1.25/L (skim milk powder is a bit more economical if you don't want the milk fat)... In less healthy options, white flour at 45c/lb, polished white rice less than $1/lb (sometimes as low as 70c), rolled oats at $1.50/lb (though I'm leery about the glyphosate), select dried fruits in the ballpark of $3/lb, bacon at $3.60/lb... all $CAD, by the way. I converted weights but not currency. Last time I looked at American food prices, you guys had way cheaper meat than us after currency conversion. > One thing I also do is that (i have the luxury of time to do this, which I recognize is something not everyone has) if i want something really sweet and it's not a fruit, I generally make it myself. If I am having a birthday party, I'll make the cake myself. If my nephew wants to leave christmas cookies out for Santa, I'll make them myself. If I want ice cream, I have an ice cream machine and I'll make it myself. ... Generic sandwich cookies and tea biscuits under $2/lb (though they used to be considerably cheaper).... I absolutely agree with you about the sweet cravings, though.
- ecshafer 8mo agoThis is the first food recommendation from the government that makes sense. 6-11 servings of grains, 3-5 veges, 2-4 fruit, 2-3 dairy, 2-3 protein (all sources), minimal fat was absurd and bad. Protein is until you hit your needed macros. Fats are as needed. Processed grains are basically empty calories. a cup or two of whole grains is all you really need and thats it.
- mikeyouse 8mo agoThey’re lying to you that the last guidelines were the food pyramid people are remembering from the 1990s. These are the prior recommendations: https://lgpress.clemson.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2024/02/myplate-daily-food-targets-including-types-and-amo.jpeg https://lgpress.clemson.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2024/... 100% evidence based but not branded as contrarian by a bunch of Instagram idiots so people assume they didn’t exist.
- carsoon 8mo agoThose prior recommendations you supplied are worse than the current ones. Added Sugar: it says <50grams when its clear that NO added sugar is best as the new guidelines suggest. Fat: it says to choose low fat cuts 95% and low fat milk. There is no basis for these options. you are just reducing the nutrients from fat. You should just drink/eat less of the fatty food if it contains fat, not choose a processed version that removes part of it. Protein: The protein section clearly skews towards plant based proteins which are fine but for the majority of people animal proteins are going to be healthier and easier to eat enough of. The protein amounts to around 35-60 grams of protein depending on the sources/amounts listed which is not ideal for a properly functioning human Sodium: It says in multiple places to lower sodium but the studies on sodium were correlative not causative. Meaning there is no basis for a low sodium diet unless you have other health conditions. So no they are not lying to you and these new guidelines are 100% evidence based given the new evidence that we have had for the last 30 years.
- tensor 8mo ago> Added Sugar: it says <50grams when its clear that NO added sugar is best as the new guidelines suggest. False. Science studies show that up to 50 grams has little effect on your health. >Fat: it says to choose low fat cuts 95% and low fat milk. There is no basis for these options. you are just reducing the nutrients from fat. You should just drink/eat less of the fatty food if it contains fat, not choose a processed version that removes part of it. False, it says to choose lean protein and explicitly calls out to avoid processed meat. A lean cut of meat is not "processed" it comes that way. > Protein: The protein section clearly skews towards plant based proteins which are fine but for the majority of people animal proteins are going to be healthier and easier to eat enough of. The protein amounts to around 35-60 grams of protein depending on the sources/amounts listed which is not ideal for a properly functioning human False, red meat has been show to be associated with increased cardiovascular disease. While the risk of fat and salt is likely overblown, overall the previous guidelines were pretty good. These new ones don't call out the dangers of things like red meat.
- TruffleLabs 8mo agoKellanova, formerly known as the Kellogg Company, got the message and are now making Pop-Tarts with extra protein ;) https://www.poptarts.com/en_US/products/new/pop-tarts-protein-brown-sugar-cinnamon.html https://www.poptarts.com/en_US/products/new/pop-tarts-protei...
- opinion3k 8mo agoit's great to recommend these things but if you're poor and live in a food desert, it doesn't address the actual issues that prevent people from eating healthier: money, living in an area where the bodega or wal-mart are your only food options, corporate interests that want us to eat ultra-processed foods, not having the time or ability to cook, and many more I'm sure.
- aworks 8mo agoI was roaming around the rural Western US last year. If I saw that there was a Walmart in town, I perked up. Consistent, low-priced and large number of grocery items. Likely better than an unknown, variable, often poorly stocked local grocery (or worse, groceries at a gas station/convenience store). I also liked seeing the economic diversity of customers that I wouldn't see at home. In larger cities, I'll choose other groceries if I can for better selection, if not better prices. Of course, except for maybe Sprouts, all the places I shop emphasize ultra-processed corporte interests.
- tracker1 8mo agoI'm not that far from a Walmart in a more upscale neighborhood, I used to use that one for my oil changes. Always interesting seeing a > $100k sports car in a Walmart parking lot (not referring to my car).
- tracker1 8mo agoEven questionable quality ground beef is almost always a better option than most carb-centric nutrition sources. It freezes well, transports is broadly available and can usually be ordered for delivery. Eggs, aside from some of the disease issues are also a very good, nutritionally complete source of protein that are relatively inexpensive. Another issue is that people have been conditioned to eat/snack all the time... a lot of people have moved towards 2-3 meals a day which is closer to historical norms... have protein be your main source, with vegetables as a side, and maybe bread/pasta at some meals. There are also beans/legumes if you can tolerate them.
- ahoka 8mo agoThis was literally a South Park episode.
- DefineOutside 8mo agoThe pyramid being upside down with grain on the bottom and fats and oils being on top is directly from south park. The only difference is that meat, fat, dairy, fruits and vegetables are grouped together with this new pyramid with grains on the bottom. while south park puts fats -> meat and dairy -> fruits and vegetables -> grains as the order.
- Ciunkos 8mo agoRef: https://www.southparkstudios.com/video-clips/qcl2i8/south-park-flip-the-pyramid https://www.southparkstudios.com/video-clips/qcl2i8/south-pa...
- ndom91 8mo agoWell it's a next.js app that's not vulnerable to react2shell, that's at least something they've done right haha
- PaulDavisThe1st 8mo ago> For decades we've been misled by guidance that prioritized highly-processed food WTF are they talking about?
- skirmish 8mo agoFood pyramid used to say: "Eat plenty, 6-11 servings of: bread, cereals, pasta".
- Whatarethese 8mo agoGood information and pyramid but holy moly that website is awful on desktop with a mouse.
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- GaryBluto 8mo agoWhat was that animation? It looked like 3 stock images coming together briefly, then flying off again, then the page scrolling. Regardless, there's nothing here (aside from the odd scrolling layout of the page itself) I can disagree with. I'm already following this "diet" in the most part anyway, and that's without consciously thinking that much about it.
- sdwr 8mo agoIt was a low-budget restating of the message: - examples of real food - "coming together", as in being focused on - zooming away, as in being spread and disseminated widely It contrasts with the slick, professional look of the rest of the page, showing heart and passion for the message.
- cathyreisenwitz 8mo agoVegs should be at the top, meat & animal products under. Still an improvement. #1 health tip for poor autists w IBS: Half a bag of frozen vegs in a bowl + splash of water. Microwave 2 min. Stir. Microwave 1 min. Salt. Eat.
- LoganDark 8mo agoI would love to read something composed of actual text instead of flashy animations and movies.
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- djoldman 8mo agoThis page seems to be the most "design-forward" federal .gov website I've ever seen. Does anyone have other examples?
- Forgeties79 8mo agoThat animation was laughably bad though you have to admit.
- croisillon 8mo agodisappointed they didn't do it in times new roman
- timbit42 8mo agoGothic Blackletter like the original 1611 King James Bible.
- btreecat 8mo agoIt's a reverse funnel system
- zeroonetwothree 8mo agoFor all the lunacy of RFK this somehow is actually a really good set of guidelines? Certainly better than the previous version. I didn't expect that to be honest.
- tomcam 8mo agoWhat lunacy?
- burkaman 8mo agoIn his book "The Real Anthony Fauci" he spends a whole chapter claiming that HIV does not cause AIDS and it was actually caused by recreational drug use.
- nancyminusone 8mo agoIt's true - none of his conspiracy theories involve the moon directly.
- binarymax 8mo agoStaunch anti-vaccine, and he's tearing apart the CDC wit regards to the same.
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- cr125rider 8mo agoWe don’t need good vaccines anymore even though infectious diseases are on the rise. Other global medical experts seem to be going against many of his plans.
- alterom 8mo ago> We don’t need good vaccines anymore even though infectious diseases are on the rise To clarify, this is an example of RFK's lunacy, not the user's opinion to be voted on.
- 827a 8mo agoI am positively blown away by the work National Design Studio is doing for the Federal Government.
- zachthewf 8mo agoI like the look and brand, but the animations/clickjacking are really jerky for me. Are you not having any issues with that?
- encomiast 8mo agoAgreed. This is one of the worst mobile sites I’ve used in a while. Blown away (in the sense I’m never coming back).
- 827a 8mo agoHN will find anything to complain about. Very on brand of you.
- bookman10 8mo agoThis is so much better. I wish this had been the advice when I was young.
- mrguyorama 8mo agoNot bad. I mean, the site runs like ass on my machine and gets the scrolling wrong a lot But the recommendations are actually pretty good, and I even think the wording and tone is right, and I think it could stick in the minds of modern generations. It does a good job of not pushing or engaging in any sort of BS conspiracy against seed oil or telling you to eat raw bull testicles or any bullshit. Though, to be frank, this is what the entire medical establishment has been saying without fail for over 30 years. This was known when we built the original Food Pyramid. We expanded the grains category in it because of grain grower lobbying, and it was known to be not that important, though a grain heavy diet would have been a beneficial recommendation a hundred years ago when America was less wealthy. The food pyramid shown here was replaced by the Bush Jr admin 20 years ago. Then we had a short lived pyramid that made no suggestions on amounts, and encouraged physical activity, and that was replaced by MyPlate which hilariously puts "dairy" in a glass as if you should regularly drink milk and not otherwise consume dairy. My one qualm is that 100g per normal sized person of protein per day I think is a bit much, but Americans already do that for diet choice reasons. It really should be more plant food than meat. But the official medical guidance has been identical for my entire life at least: "Eat a varied and balanced diet, don't over snack, don't drink calories, eat lots of plant fiber, eat basically anything in light moderation, exercise" Oh sure, the tabloids at the checkout always have some diet fad. It was never supported by science or recommended by the actual field of medical science. Even during the 90s when we supposedly demonized fat, that was primarily diet culture. The reality is knowing "what is a healthy diet" hasn't been the limiting factor in several generations. People aren't fat because they think chips, soda, and chicken nuggets are healthy for heavens sake.
- ekjhgkejhgk 8mo agoGood message, shitty website.
- rdiddly 8mo agoPast experience has me asking whether this was drafted with the help of the Real Food Lobby. (I jest, but not all the way.)
- AuthAuth 8mo agoTerrible website in both usability and conveying information but it looks nice. Info is good, Americans do need to eat healthier and these are good guidelines. Also was this AI generated because Americans dont know what a Kilogram is and wouldnt use it to measure bodyweight.
- cr125rider 8mo agoThe war on protein feels as made up as the war on Christmas…
- rayiner 8mo agoThe old food pyramid has been taught to school kids for decades—it was entrenched when I was a kid in the 1990s—and that has coincided with a huge increase in obesity in the country over the same period. Dispensing with it is a great step forward.
- IncreasePosts 8mo agoDid anyone buy that food pyramid? I assume people laid attention to it as much as they paid attention to "just say no"
- jerlam 8mo agoI don't think the old pyramid was around for decades. According to wikipedia, the "carbs on the bottom" food pyramid was only recommended from 1992 - 2005, or 13 years. Those dates just happen to coincide with the age group of 30-50 year old adults that are over-represented here. It was replaced with a rainbow-like pyramid in 2005 which completely negated the concept of a pyramid, and then a circle (plate) in 2011. We need to stop bringing up the food pyramid that everyone already agreed was bad and replaced 20 years ago.
- j_w 8mo agoThis understates the vegetable and fruit intake you should have. 3 servings vegetables and 2 fruit is under what you should aim for. 2-4 servings of grains is a lot of grain. Ideally the bulk of the volume that you eat should be vegetables and fruits. Meat as nutritionally required/when you like it. Meat at every meal/every day is not needed. Grains are a good filler, but vegetables and fruits are king.
- kaonwarb 8mo agoI appreciate the nod to whole milk, which has been repeatedly shown to be associated with _lower_ obesity in children. E.g. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31851302/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31851302/, many other studies.
- BLKNSLVR 8mo agoI appreciate the nod to whole milk because 'lite' milk is, well, Nick Offerman said it best as Ron from Parks and Recreation: "There's only one thing I hate more than lying: Skim milk. Which is water that's lying about being milk"
- NewJazz 8mo agoYou know that character is a joke, right?
- BLKNSLVR 8mo agoYeah, but that particular line rings true for me because I've used similar hyperbole when describing lite milk in comparison to real / whole milk. If you can't tell the difference, then it's been a long time since you've had whole milk.
- NewJazz 8mo agoWhat other sources do you have besides that one observational study?
- kaonwarb 8mo agoThis is a meta-analysis of 28 studies. "Of 5862 reports identified by the search, 28 met the inclusion criteria: 20 were cross-sectional and 8 were prospective cohort."
- NewJazz 8mo agoNo RCTs and it isn't clear that the studies were even focused on milk as a contributor to obesity, so they could be highly susceptible to confounders.
- KaiserPro 8mo agoSounds like big government getting into people's lives to me. Snark aside, american food culture is geared towards people working hard manual jobs, rather than desk work. It was fine in the 70/80/90s when people were still doing that kind of job, but times have changed. If you're burning 2k calories at work, you need a high calorie, high salt meal to replenish what you burnt/sweat out. I would also gently point out that a "balanced" meal is generally better than a protein heavy meal. It also is highly dependent on your genetic makeup. I am much less sensitive to carbs compared to my Indian friend, My family also doesn't have a history of type 2/1 diabetes. I'm also not sure how this is going to be balanced with farm subsidies.
- kasane_teto 8mo agoI hate websites that scroll like this. It’s so… clunky.
- woodruffw 8mo agoOf note: the US's per capita consumption of meat has increased by more than 100 pounds over the last century[1]. We now consume an immense amount of meat per person in this country. That increase is disproportionately in poultry, but we also consume more beef[2]. A demand for the average American to eat more meat would have to explain, as a baseline, why our already positive trend in meat consumption isn't yielding positive outcomes. There are potential explanations (you could argue increased processing offsets the purported benefits, for example), but those are left unstated by the website. [1]: https://www.agweb.com/opinion/drivers-u-s-capita-meat-consumption-over-last-century https://www.agweb.com/opinion/drivers-u-s-capita-meat-consum... [2]: https://ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/chart-detail?chartId=59426 https://ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/chart-detai...
- jdlshore 8mo agoIt says 1.2-1.6 grams of protein and healthy fats per kilogram of body weight, from animal and plant sources (including milk). Is that really advocating for more meat?
- omgJustTest 8mo ago90g of protein, what is recommended for me, is like 4 hamburgers or a 16oz steak per day ...
- Aurornis 8mo agoNobody should be getting all of their protein from meat, though. Even a cup of cooked rice or a slice of bread has several grams of protein.
- tejohnso 8mo agoDoesn't make sense to me that a 400lb obese person would need to consume the same amount of protein as a 400lb lean muscle bodybuilder. All of the protein recommendations I've seen were for lean mass. You don't feed fat.
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- jjoe 8mo agoI processed the Scientific Report Appendices (PDF) through PaperSplain. I'm sharing the analysis here for those interested: https://papersplain.com/sample/62d71c8ecb6411e042f346088c231458bb82550e5215a4d26ea970cc151d2021 https://papersplain.com/sample/62d71c8ecb6411e042f346088c231...
- dyauspitr 8mo agoInteresting, this is not bad at all. Maybe the only real issue is prescribing a lot of red meat which categorically isn’t that good for you.
- collaborative 8mo agoNothing wrong with grains as long as they aren't the processed GM'd ones you find everywhere. Bake wholegrain spelt bread at home and you can make that 70% of your diet no problem. People used to only eat bread before, they were fine
- margalabargala 8mo agoBasically none of this is true. Grains are way too high in carbohydrates and even whole grains tend not to be complete proteins. Eating little but bread, whether it's wheat or spelt or something else, will malnourish you. The impacts of health of processed grains is large. The impacts on health of GM'd grains is zero.
- eweise 8mo agoDairy is not healthy fats.
- jaredwiener 8mo agoThis is the first .gov website I've seen that does not list any sort of agency, branch of government, commission, whatever, that's behind it. Yes, I see the National Design Studio built it -- but presumably they aren't the ones writing nutritional guidance. Is this FDA? HHS?
- wavemode 8mo agoNutritional guidelines are developed by USDA. This newest iteration appears to have had input from HHS under RFK Jr: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/us-dietary-guidelines-protein-dairy-fat-rfk-jr-rcna252656 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/us-dietary-guidel...
- jaredwiener 8mo agoThis also appears to be from USDA, as per their other website with the same info: https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/ https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/
- jaredwiener 8mo agoMy point really was that it seems odd that this information isn't readily available on the website. Why hide it?
- didibus 8mo agoWhat exactly has changed ? And how does it differ say to the Canadian one: https://food-guide.canada.ca/themes/custom/wxtsub_bootstrap/images/food_guide_visual_en.png https://food-guide.canada.ca/themes/custom/wxtsub_bootstrap/... ?
- owentbrown 8mo agoWhen did white flour bread become a whole grain? There's a picture of a loaf of bread next to the word "whole grains".
- timbit42 8mo agoIf it was the correct color, people wouldn't recognize it.
- fabbbbb 8mo agoUnfortunately there seems to be no good aligned definition of what (highly) processed food is. 1,2 Whole grain bread or infant formula can be “highly processed” despite very healthy. In the end someone else cooks for you and packages it. They can cook healthy or not or in between, add a lot of salt or little, .. as always it’s more complex. 1: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41430-022-01099-1 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41430-022-01099-1 2 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/nutrition-research-reviews/article/ultraprocessed-foods-hypothesis-a-product-processed-well-beyond-the-basic-ingredients-in-the-package/9BA1F88916DFBFD65A2D3D4C93ED867C https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/nutrition-research-r...
- max_ 8mo ago>Whole grain bread or infant formula are “highly processed” despite very healthy. "processed" and "healthy" are oxymorons. I think it's better to tell people to restrict themselves to "whole foods".
- lazyasciiart 8mo agoI believe you’re missing their point. As well as demonstrating a complete lack of information about infant formula.
- fabbbbb 8mo agoTo me it seems the point is “processed” == bad. Isn’t it? And NOVA seems to be the gold standard for what’s “processed”. Of course there’s better things as whole grain bread in plastic foil (whole grain bread freshly made) or infant formula (breastfeeding). But they are more healthy than other things that rank better in NOVA.
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- fabbbbb 8mo agoDid you find evidence for your two claims? You can compose a pretty healthy diet from what’s called “processed” (prepared, cooked and packaged). From the very same pyramid.
- throw7 8mo agoThis is a good reset. I just imagine if this was put out by a Democrat white house, the republicans would be blowing a gasket.
- christophilus 8mo agoProbably, though the horseshoe thing is real. This is one subject on which my liberal and conservative friends have a lot of overlap.
- andyjohnson0 8mo agoEat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. - Michael Pollan
- monster_truck 8mo agoThe accessbility of this website is deplorable. There is no way anyone responsible for this website has our best interests in mind
- drak0n1c 8mo agoJoe Gebbia, co-founder of Airbnb is the head of the new national design studio. You can direct feedback to him.
- DebtDeflation 8mo agoEating real foods (e.g., whole foods rather than highly processed foods) is good advice overall. But replacing mono and poly unsaturated fats with saturated fats is total nonsense. We have thousands of studies spanning decades showing that increased saturated fat consumption leads to elevated LDL-C and elevated LDL-C is causitively associated with higher rates of CVD. There's no reason to replace olive oil with butter and beef tallow.
- Havoc 8mo agoThink it's telling that all the things shown first and most prominently in their food pyramid just so happen to have massive lobbies. Beef, Egg, Diary & chicken. Doesn't seem terrible but that already makes me very suspicious of the reliability of this
- crims0n 8mo agoFish is also right there. They are all high quality, readily available protein sources. It should not be a surprise that they show up so prominently as a recommendation.
- jorblumesea 8mo agoAll of this coming while the administration guts science funding, food inspections, vaccine guidelines, handouts to farmers producing nutrient poor foods, corporatist policies creating more food deserts. thoroughly discredits what they are trying to do, even if there is some good in here.
- sdo72 8mo agoI don't think it's even about low carb vs. high protein to begin with. Many countries and regions in the world are fine with a high-carb diet, and people there live long, healthy lives. Americans eat so much processed food simply because it is much cheaper than fresh food. Processed food is made to get consumers addicted (through convenience, taste, etc.) and encourage them to consume much more. Fresh food is almost the opposite. I grew up in a country where freshly made food is actually cheaper than processed food, even to this day. People who stick to a traditional diet are mostly thin, while those who stick to a processed food diet gain a lot of weight.
- sallveburrpi 8mo agoThis should be top comment When I was visiting the US I was shocked how much more expensive “real” food is. Here I am spending more if I eat out or processed food versus cooking my own food at home. In the US it was basically the inverse, didn’t make any sense to me. (N=1 and 10 year old experience, but it seems to have only gotten more extreme since)
- MrMember 8mo agoI don't see this at all. Staple foods are cheap and abundant. Fruits and vegetables don't cost much at all. Some animal proteins can get a bit pricy (beef mostly) but chicken and pork aren't that expensive. Eggs are like $2 a dozen. I love my meat but if I switched to a vegetarian diet it would be trivial to make varied, delicious meals at $1.50-$2 a portion.
- iteria 8mo agoWhere? It's $4 for a dozen eggs where I am and I think that's pretty cheap. It's $5 for a bag of shitty apples. And then another $5 for a bag of oranges, so my kid can have fruit for the week. I cook from nothing but fresh and my kid gets one bag of chips or cookies a week. I buy 2lbs of meat for us both. I still spend over 100 dollars. I guess we could have beans and rice every day, but I don't think it's a lot to give my kid a varied diet based on what's in season. Out of season is awful and that's how I ended up spending $15 on berries my kid wanted. When people talk about these cheap meals, I wonder if they just expect everyone to eat the same thing every day at the lowest quality. I can go to a budget grocery store and get $3 eggs. That's true, but I feel like the local national chain should ve a good enough yard stick.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 8mo agoNot as bad as expected. Healthy fats and whole grains with lots of fruit and vegetables. Emphasis on minimal processing. It might even be better messaging than the healthy plate because it shows the foods visually which is what some people need to see.
- sneilan1 8mo agoI'm so confused. Why would the United States care about people's health? It feels out of character for this administration given the times.
- bluerooibos 8mo agoIt's a marketing campaign and that's all it is. Zero substance on the website about what they're doing to make sure more people actually eat like this.
- lloydatkinson 8mo agoLooks like a very good effort, shame some people will disagree with it just because it doesn't match their politics.
- zahlman 8mo agoClearly, both political parties are incentivized to provide good scientific information, so that their voters will eat healthy food and their opponents will sabotage themselves. (I joke, but I do wonder just how bad the political climate has gotten. Of course, there are several other competing incentives in this, too.)
- bluerooibos 8mo agoWhat a brilliant marketing campaign for the Trump administration to look like they're doing something positive. Yet, I see absolutely nothing on this website to suggest how they are going to change American diets. Do they think these guidelines don't already exist somewhere?
- jesse_dot_id 8mo agoYeah, I don't feel comfortable with anything this government says for at least the next few years. It doesn't matter how sound the advice is. There is an agenda baked into everything.
- pedalpete 8mo agoThis reads to me as protein first, then veg. American's don't seem to have a protein restriction problem. Look at your average burger, it is mostly meat, a bit of lettuce, and a bunch of low-quality bread. I had a "salad" in SF when I was visiting, it was the largest chicken breast I've ever seen, a bunch of bacon and I had to practically go searching for the few leaves of spinach. Lastly, is it really the guideline that are going to help, or is it accessibility?
- scwilbanks 8mo agoThe guidelines are good, but to make a real impact, we need a federally funded k-12 breakfast and lunch program that is free for all students.
- didibus 8mo agoThe only change from the previous dietary recommendations that I can see is that they recommend a bit of a smaller portion of veggies and a bit of a bigger portion of protein. Everything else seems exactly the same. Am I missing something? It also seems like the bigger protein portion over veggies is strangely what I would expect from someone on TRT...
- kkaske 8mo agoIn a way, "eat real food" functions less as scientific advice and more as a cultural signal. It could be seen as a rejection of industrialized diets and all the complexities around that. The idea of "Eat Real Food" might be a better default when you are hungry and looking for food. I guess time will tell.
- ixtli 8mo agoWow thank god it's my fault im sick and i can make personal choices to stop chronic conditions! I was worried it might have something to do with material conditions i live in but also can not control, or worse that i might require medicine! Relatedly its a great thing that "real food" access isn't class-based.
- seizethecheese 8mo agoReally strange comment. You're offended by the implication that what we eat may impact our health? Regarding the class comment, sure a access to some food is class based, but pretty much all westerners can afford basic "real food". I know because I've lived on minimum wage and could buy eggs, rice, beans, chicken thigh, etc.
- tombert 8mo agoNot the person you're responding to, but the thing that frustrates me isn't that they're saying to eat healthy, but that they're acting like that's the only thing we need to change, while actively deregulating pretty much everything else that also affects health. Yes, obviously what we eat affects our health, I don't think that's ever been in dispute by any significant number of people (despite what the inbreds who love RFK Jr. seem to think), but part of the frustration is that they're acting that that can solely explain all chronic illnesses, ignoring things like air pollution (which they are actively deregulating). Oh, also, RFK Jr. telling people to eat at Five Guys because they fry their fries in beef tallow is really dumb and is likely to lead to worse health outcomes.
- spruce_tips 8mo agowow, it's almost like this makes sense
- dazhengca 8mo agoWay too much scroll jacking for me to be honest, probably the worst site I’ve seen of their team, but still for government site not bad
- malectro 8mo agoDrives me nuts that people still build these in 2026. Scroll animations should only ever be used to supplement existing scrolling. If scrolling is replaced entirely by an arbitrary animation, there's no longer anything to anchor the action, and basic UX feels broken.
- llm_nerd 8mo agoPhew! Finally Americans can stop eating according to the old dietary guidelines! Everyone clear out your pantries and fridges and get with the new hotness. Those old guidelines, you see, were the cause of all of the obesity and poor health! ...wait, you mean to tell me extraordinarily few Americans actually listened to guidelines? That this is all performative nonsense? Honestly, it isn't as ignorant as I expected (although it of course pushes for "whole milk" and other bits of ignorant advice), but it's basically playing on the ignorance of the readers. Americans already eat some of the most amounts of protein worldwide -- yet of course proclaims an imaginary "war on protein" strawman -- yet also are one of the fattest and least healthy countries. People actually following the prior guidelines in earnest would likely be in great metabolic shape. But Americans don't: They gobble cheeseburgers and drink a dozen cokes and complain that stupid big medicine is trying to con them, while reciting some nonsense a supplement huckster chiropractor told them on YouTube.
- mattanimation 8mo agoI just learned there is a .gov design studio... la what?
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- MinimalAction 8mo agoI liked the new guidelines given here [1]. However, I disagree with the protein target recommendation. Feels way too much for a normal healthy adult with reasonable activity. > Protein target: 1.2–1.6 grams per kilogram of body weight per day. [1]: https://cdn.realfood.gov/Daily%20Serving%20Sizes.pdf https://cdn.realfood.gov/Daily%20Serving%20Sizes.pdf
- kibitzor 8mo agoAgreed, this protein target is high for likely many people. Results from this meta-analysis [1] says > protein intakes at amounts greater than ~1.6 g/kg/day do not further contribute RET [resistance exercise training]-induced gains in FFM [fat-free mass]. Said more plainly: if you're working out to gain muscle, anything more than 1.6g/kg/day won't help your muscle gains. For those curious about why, see Figure 5. Americans also get too much protein already, ~20% more than recommended [2]. There are negative effects from too much protein (~>2g/kg/day) like kidney stones, heart disease, colon cancer [3]. Going back to the 1.2-1.6 g/kg/day range, this can be a good range if you're already working out, so get out there and walk/run/weight lift/swim/bike! [1]: https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/52/6/376.full.pdf https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/52/6/376.full.pdf [2]: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/protein-is-important-but-were-eating-too-much-experts-say/ https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/protein-is-important-but-were-... [3]: https://www.health.harvard.edu/nutrition/when-it-comes-to-protein-how-much-is-too-much https://www.health.harvard.edu/nutrition/when-it-comes-to-pr...
- justinai6 8mo agoProtein is way underated for overall health that 1.2-1.6g per kg of body weight (0.54-0.73g per pound) seems about right but its mostly directly related to lean mass. Most people don't realize how much they actually need. There's a lot of misinformation and stereotypes surrounding protein consumption—often portrayed as something only for bodybuilders and fitness enthusiasts. But for people aging, people looking for strength, folks looking for reducing fat and feeling more full. Protein is extremely helpful
- nektro 8mo agoi dont have the expertise to say whether this is good info but its nice to see other folks saying it is. but a government website being one of these scrollbar hacks is atrocious
- kayge 8mo agoThe new pyramid looks like a decent step in the right direction, and as other commenters have already mentioned: better definitions of "highly processed" vs "real food" might be helpful (but I think most of us probably have a fairly clear idea of what they mean). Two more things I think should be considered: 1. Change the Nutrition Facts labels to say "Lipids" instead of "Fats". Seems like no matter how many times "fat doesn't make you fat" is repeated, many people are still scared of consuming fat. 2. Reconsider or recalculate the old 2000 calorie per day guidance. I have no actual data to support this — fitness and nutrition self-experimentation is just a hobby of mine — but I have a feeling that the "Average American" (which may also need to be defined somewhere) probably only needs around 1500 calories per day to maintain a healthy weight. There is obviously a wide range of needs depending on height, activity level, occupation, etc. but I feel like if someone is considering a 500 calorie treat, it would be more helpful if they thought "wow this is 1/3 of my daily calories... maybe I should split it with a friend" instead of "meh this is only 25% of my daily calories <chomp>"
- kayo_20211030 8mo agoGood God! There's too much scrolling involved. Is this some cunning way to make me exercise?
- smy20011 8mo agoAccording to https://cdn.realfood.gov/Daily%20Serving%20Sizes.pdf https://cdn.realfood.gov/Daily%20Serving%20Sizes.pdf, their recommendations do not meet their calories goal. Eg, for 2000 calories, you can eat 4 egg, 3 cup of milk, 4 slice of bread, 2 apple and 3 tbsp of oil per day. Total calories will be 1,608 kcal/day. It's a very depressing diet menu.
- GloamingNiblets 8mo agoThis is exactly what I eat every day and I am phenomenally happy and successful.
- tolerance 8mo agoFor those who are wondering: https://klim.co.nz/fonts/die-grotesk/#information https://klim.co.nz/fonts/die-grotesk/#information I think Kris Sowersby is my favorite contemporary typographer. https://klim.co.nz/collections/untitled/ https://klim.co.nz/collections/untitled/ https://klim.co.nz/collections/tiempos/ https://klim.co.nz/collections/tiempos/ https://klim.co.nz/collections/soehne/ https://klim.co.nz/collections/soehne/
- cdrnsf 8mo agoI couldn't finish scrolling to the bottom of this site. The performance is awful and all of the animations are extremely jarring. Nutrition is important, but this administration's health policy under RFK Jr. is an unmitigated disaster.
- teiferer 8mo agoAlso, don't vaccinate your kids against measles. And if you happen to run over a bear cub, drive it to Manhattan and dump it in Central Park.
- dillydogg 8mo agoI really don't see how this is so different than what nutritionists have said for years. This reads as if the guans before was to drink soda and eat fat free candy all day. The three sentence dietary guidance still holds: 1. Eat food 2. Not too much 3. Mostly plants Though the government's position seems to be at odds with #3. I would encourage more beans and greens, personally.
- maelito 8mo agoBullying Europe but hoping to live like Europeans.
- _qua 8mo agoThe most important dietary intervention most people need is just eating less. The content of what they eat is secondary. It's not unimportant, it just matters less when you are still wildly overweight.
- exabrial 8mo agoHijacking the scroll wheel, even in 2025, is still unbelievably annoying. Please stop.
- nkmnz 8mo agoAnyone else disappointed because they didn't show the Swanson Pyramid Of Greatness?
- klik99 8mo agoIs there any effort to make real food more affordable for most Americans? Is there any proof that "much of chronic disease is linked to diet and lifestyle"? Is our bar so low that we give RFK credit for saying "eat real food" which everyone knows, while cutting vaccination recommendations, defunding public health and making our health care worse? The implication that chronic illness is a "lifestyle" problem is victim blaming, sure you can point to a lot of individual cases where this is the case, but the main issue is access to good, affordable food. I'm convinced the one thing that ties the varied MAGA coalition together is a belief that the problems of modern America are moral failings of the masses. Many of the coalition truly believe it, and the people rigging the system are more than happy to fund them to distract from their looting, just as the sugar industry funded blaming fat for obesity. I don't like to be this righteous on HN, but RFK wagging his finger about how "diet and lifestyle" causes most chronic disease, which is where 90% healthcare costs go to, just upsets me. If you truly believe that, then who cares if people suffer from chronic disease. Go ahead and gut public health and the CDC, most people with chronic diseases brought it upon themselves! Doctor says "Eat Real Food". The only hope I have is that he's committed enough to battle lobbyists and introduce more food regulations, like he did with food dye. That's the tough work, against entrenched power structures and real risk. Until then, it's all just talk.
- zaptheimpaler 8mo agoSeems like bog-standard stuff doctors and books have been recommending for decades now. Canada has had a food plate like this [1] for a long time. It's a good step forward but I wonder what the actual implications are. How many people didn't already know this, how much does it change behavior and how will it impact other government programs? [1] https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/ https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/
- nice_byte 8mo ago"We're ending the war on protein" WTF is this even referring to? literally everyone here is _obsessed_ with their protein intake, regardless of whether they're a meat-eater or not. of all the things America's at war with, protein is definitely not one of them.
- gowld 8mo agoUnreadable clunky website.
- dbg31415 8mo ago> Protein target: 1.2–1.6 grams per kilogram of body weight per day. Since this is an official US government website, are we now officially using metric?
- jonplackett 8mo agoDiet advice is always way too complex. For most people ‘stop drinking sugary drinks ever’ would probably make the biggest life change. And ‘the athletes plate’ would be the runner up bit of advice if you want something simple - half th plate veggies, 1/4 complex carbs, 1/4 unprocessed meat. If you want to do it with complexity, count your macros.
- cobalt 8mo agounprocessed meat? as in taking a bite out of a cow?
- agumonkey 8mo agoCutting sugar is worth trying for many. Even for a few days. You really sense your brain realign on more subtle tastes. And when you finally eat the usual snack or pastry you can feel the sudden overload of sugar (or at least your brain response to it). something you probably never did when sugar intake was high
- toyetic 8mo agoAgreed. I’m all for the government trying to help by setting/updating guidlines and I actually agree with the guidelines but ultimately any general advice boils down to - eat a balanced diet of whole grains fruits vegetables and meat, and don’t eat so much of it, just enough to feel full. IMO any specifics on what specifically to/to not eat isn’t helpful unless it’s tailored specifically to someone’s lifestyle. Basically like you said, telling someone to not drink sugary drinks, stop eating out as much as possible and be more active is the only general advice really needed
- ElijahLynn 8mo agoThis has way too much emphasis on meat. Watch Secrets of the Blue Zones on Netflix, and Gamechangers. We can get most of not all our protein from whole plant foods. And plant foods have a ton of phytonutrients that are proven to protect against certain cancerous. We need to eat real plant food.
- claymav 8mo agoLooks nice. Very wordy and boastful for such a simple message.
- konne88 8mo agoThis must be the first good looking government website I have ever seen.
- yamal4321 8mo ago.gov Uhm... Skip
- smeej 8mo agoTo all the people saying this doesn't go far enough to change things: Of course it doesn't. This is a symbolic beginning, not the whole project. Things like the composition of school lunches were determined for years by the recommendations that formed the shape of the food pyramid. What gets subsidized with SNAP and WIC was determined for years by the recommendations that formed the shape of the food pyramid. The depiction of the recommendations does get fixed in people's minds. And then when actual guidelines come out for things that actually matter, like food programs, people expect them to correspond to what they know of the guidelines. It's not that different from any corporate rebranding announcement. They show you the new direction they want to take the company with new imagery. You don't laugh and roll your eyes and say, "Suuuuure. Show us some new pictures. That'll fix it." You evaluate the direction the imagery says they're trying to go to decide if you think it's an improvement. So, is eating "real food" like meat, vegetables, and fruit an improvement over a diet based on (especially processed) grains for people's health? Of course it is. I'm not a fan of this government (or anyone else's, really), but I also think the people who are most likely to take this administration's word for it on something like dietary change are statistically among the people who would most benefit from this kind of dietary change, so I sincerely hope this works, and I'm glad to see they're trying to steer it this way. Even if the damn pyramid is upside down and looks like a funnel.
- throwaway_5633 8mo agoSounds like meat producers may have lobbied for this, fearing the quickly diminishing costs of lab-grown meat, expect lab-grown meat to be labeled “high-processed therefor bad” as soon as it becomes widely available.
- globalnode 8mo agocompanies and special interest groups run your country
- brikym 8mo agoTax Fake Food?
- fogzen 8mo agoThe "Reducing Saturated Fat Below 10% of Energy and Risk of Coronary Heart Disease" research appendix says they purposely excluded any study before 2010. Why? Also they only included randomized-controlled trials that lowered SFA below 10%. Why 10%?
- bobmcn 8mo agoThis Saturated Fat below 10% requirement is a direct contradiction of the earlier requirements to include more meat and whole fat dairy. You can't do both.
- fogzen 8mo agoTo be clear, the research appendix claims their review of RCTs does not support SFA intake correlated with coronary events or mortality, and thus does not recommend reducing saturated fat below 10% of energy.
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- cdrnsf 8mo agoHow do you build what amounts to a brochure website and send ~10MB+ over the wire?
- banbangtuth 8mo agoWhat does 1 serving here mean?????????
- Fischgericht 8mo agoWhat I am missing in this pyramid are brain worms. Brain worms are real food! Don't fall for the ultra-processed glue sniffing practice all scientists wrongly had been recommending you. Have a proudly american-made brain worm instead.
- ropable 8mo agoOn the face of it, this initiative seems like solid nutritional advice. On the other hand, I'm a little dismayed to see animal protein sources given equal billing to vegetable and fruit on their new pyramid, and whole grains placed right at the bottom (below butter!) It's my understanding that people in the developed world already over-consume animal proteins to a large degree. On the other hand: it's not like anyone ever followed the old food pyramid either. I'm now over here waiting with baited breath for the US federal govt to introduce some kind of regulation around the amount of additional sugar, salt and fats in processed food sold in the US (which makes up a large proportion of what people are eating right now). The food landscape is complex and multi-factorial. I hope that they follow up with other initiatives to improve nutrition at a population level, like regulation and nutrition programs.
- lanfeust6 8mo agoWe can do away with "pyramids". Canada's food guide for instance is pretty good https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/ https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/. Aside from lots of veg, you can balance the rest. The Americanised diet had a heavy emphasis on refined carbs, added sugar, added fat, and no fibre. Thats a far cry from whole grains and pulses, which have been researched extensively and are thought to be healthy.
- kyledrake 8mo agoI would love to see some evidence for the huge increase in protein on this new pyramid. I'm not challenging it, I'm genuinely curious if there's substantial evidence that a lot of it is actually good for most people.
- hopelite 8mo agoSomething this does not actually seem to address is that even our “real food” is also polluted with massive glyphosate. And no, it is also something that is a massive problem in Europe, including meat, which does not get as regulated as vegetables and fruits, so levels can often be even higher. This young woman did an excellent explanation of the overall state of things in a YouTube video, for anyone that wants an intro. https://youtu.be/s64PNMAK92c https://youtu.be/s64PNMAK92c
- diego_moita 8mo agoWhy would I even pay attention to guidelines from a government that wants to make political warfare in everything when the worldwide consensus on healthy diet is the so called Mediterranean Diet? The world needs less America. Even in food guidelines.
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- briandoll 8mo agoPretty rich for the administration that deregulated OSHA and massively harmed our ability to ensure food safety to tell people literally anything about food.
- lbrito 8mo agoThat is one atrocious website. Couldnt get past the second fake-slide, so slow and broken it was
- susiecambria 8mo agoThere are so many things wrong with this website and the underlying arguments, assertions, etc., as others have pointed out, I will simply say that according to https://www.accessibilitychecker.org https://www.accessibilitychecker.org, the site is not compliant. Which doesn't surprise me in the least, but it is a good reminder that this is not a serious administration.
- zamadatix 8mo agoIf only HN would look at this too.
- ShakataGaNai 8mo agoIts unfortunate the way modern politics has gone. I see this site and am immediately suspicious. What bullshit is there? What ulterior motive should I be concerned about? Rather than reading it, assuming it was fact based science. Maybe not the best because governments never get things 100%.... but at least able to trust it. Now specifically because this is RFK's MAHA world, I assume everything on this site is a lie. After reading through it I don't see anything terrible or stupidly over the top. Yes, more proteins and vegetables good, less heavily processed foods.
- doug-moen 8mo agoThis is Trump's MAGA diet, a replacement for the lame liberal DEI diet of the Biden administration. Not hyperbole, the web site states all this explicitly if you click through to this link: <https://cdn.realfood.gov/Scientific%20Report.pdf https://cdn.realfood.gov/Scientific%20Report.pdf> The Scientific Report mentions Trump 4 times, so I looked up Trump's diet. Seems he eats a lot of McDonalds takeout and drinks a lot of diet coke. It seems to me that Trump's diet is an exemplary and healthy diet that follows these new recommendations, which prioritizes foods such as beef, oils and animal fat (including full fat dairy) and potatoes. Cheeseburger and fries, and the diet coke avoids added sugar, while promoting hydration. Trump might be prickly about past criticism of his diet; now he can point to these recommendations.
- burnt-resistor 8mo agoDrink raw milk, get antibiotic-resistant e. coli, salmonella, and/or listeria. Cooking is processing. Pasteurization is processing. Not all processing is "bad". To be consistent with their supposed "values", then they have to end subsidies for field corn, wheat, and soy and subsidize organic produce. That will never happen because these are lifestyle influencers playing bureaucrat when they don't know anything.
- perhapsAnLLM 8mo agoThe website is beautiful, but I'm so tired of landing pages that require me to scroll for eons to see all the content, chunk by chunk. It's aesthetically gorgeous, but painfully impractical.
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- dvrp 8mo agohttps://youtu.be/fIGXkh6S8Zw?si=QiVtewrkPY85FgQi https://youtu.be/fIGXkh6S8Zw?si=QiVtewrkPY85FgQi
- toomim 8mo agoSouth Park predicted it AGAIN
- CHB0403085482 8mo agoEat less meat https://www.mondaycampaigns.org/meatless-monday https://www.mondaycampaigns.org/meatless-monday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWWe2U41N8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWWe2U41N8 (no meat)
- hk1337 8mo agoI really don't like web site designs that take control of things like my mouse wheel. This site isn't just scrolling down, it's advancing the presentation which in most places is moving down.
- raybb 8mo agoDoes anyone have a recommendation for a good course to take to learn the basics of nutrition. I've done some very very simple ones from my insurance company for a small incentive but looking for something more serious and rooted in current scientific consensus (which I hear is not always so clear when it comes to nutrition).
- hahahahhaah 8mo agoNice one... so they look like heros for maybe $100k or $1m spent on a website that is like a hackathon showcase. But what action are they taking? Is junk food going to be taxed. Are they making healthy food more affordable?
- kentbrew 8mo agoBeef <= cows <= corn <= fertilizer <= oil. It always circles back to oil.
- TheAlchemist 8mo agoI like the title - average food in the US is absolute shit - both in taste and from health perspective. It doesn't even taste like real food most of the time. Just like sugar with some flavour... I don't get the 'For decades we've been misled' though - what guidance prioritiezed highly processed food ? From the look on both pyramids, they pretty much recommend the same things, in different proportions (more proteins now, less carbs) - but I don't think any reasonable guidance promoted highly processed sweet carbs before.
- SamDc73 8mo agoI see a lot of people complaining about red meat. It’s not the healthiest food, but it’s a much weaker risk factor than diets high in processed foods (including processed meats), refined carbs, added sugar, and excess salt. For adults (25–64), the biggest diet-linked contributors to cardiometabolic death were sugar-sweetened beverages and processed meats. [1] also form the paper: High sodium intake → ~66,000 deaths (9.5%) Low nuts & seeds intake → ~59,000 deaths (8.5%) High processed meat intake → ~57,000 deaths (8.2%) Low seafood omega-3 intake → ~54,000 deaths (7.8%) Low vegetable intake → ~53,400 deaths (7.6%) Low fruit intake → ~52,000 deaths (7.5%) High sugar-sweetened beverage intake → ~51,000 deaths (7.4%) Low whole-grain intake → ~41,000 deaths (5.9%) High unprocessed red meat intake → ~2,900 deaths (0.4%) (Full table is on page 5 of the linked paper) [1] https://episeminars.web.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/7549/2014/09/Micha-JAMA-2017.pdf https://episeminars.web.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/754...
- maerF0x0 8mo agoAgreed, much of the angst towards "meat" or "red meat" really ought to be stated as carcinogenic nitrosamines . When you cook nitrate rich red meat at high temperatures you get nitrosamines (less when you use herbs like rosemary) ... Meat has it's own internal ranking: Fish, boneless skinless chicken, low fat red meat cuts, high fat red meat, processed/preserved red meats (like sausage, bacon, sandwich meat etc) ... We should shift left in our meat consumption.
- habosa 8mo agoAre these protein guidelines legit? I’m 200lbs (I’m tall) so they’re recommending 100-150g of protein per day. That feels like a lot…
- Ch4otic 8mo agoDefinitely. I'm 235lbs atm, and eating 183g of protein a day. It's pretty easy if your lunch/dinner is protein based. https://help.macrofactorapp.com/en/articles/83-how-much-protein-should-you-eat https://help.macrofactorapp.com/en/articles/83-how-much-prot...
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- bilsbie 8mo agoI worry this will cause people to try to treat their health problems with food instead of trusting the medical system.
- wvlia5 8mo agoOptimize your diet with my app https://matiasmorant.github.io/nutrition/ https://matiasmorant.github.io/nutrition/
- cvbnmb 8mo agoThis is the only good idea that has or probably will come out of this administration, and it’s still flawed: - Despite folic acid in processed foods causing ADD and other problems in those with MTHFR mutations like me, folic acid does help prevent birth defects. - The U.S. doesn’t produce, transport, or store sufficient quantities of organic fresh food to feed the entire country, nor would schools all have access to it.
- kristopolous 8mo agoTyson foods and other meatpacking companies lobbied and funded RFK... Here's industry reports https://www.nationalbeefwire.com/doctors-group-applauds-commitment-by-rfk-jr-to-replacing-animal-experiments-proposes-five-priorities-for-2026 https://www.nationalbeefwire.com/doctors-group-applauds-comm... https://www.wattagnet.com/business-markets/policy-legislation/news/15801388/new-us-dietary-guidelines-prioritize-protein-at-every-meal https://www.wattagnet.com/business-markets/policy-legislatio... And straight up lobbying groups https://www.nationalchickencouncil.org/new-dietary-guidelines-reaffirm-chickens-role-in-a-healthy-diet/ https://www.nationalchickencouncil.org/new-dietary-guideline... https://www.meatinstitute.org/press/recommend-prioritizing-protein-nutrient-dense-meat-poultry https://www.meatinstitute.org/press/recommend-prioritizing-p... Lobbying groups, putting out press releases, claiming victory... Here's some things you won't find in any of the documents, including the PDFs at the bottom: community gardens, local food, farmers markets, grass fed, free range... Because agribusiness doesn't make money with those. Just because you might like the results doesn't mean they aren't corrupt as hell
- gnarlouse 8mo agoThe irony is Tyson's is an absolutely horrendous organization and ruins food left and right. Not to mention the absurd living conditions for the animals they feed us.
- nhumrich 8mo agoMight be corrupt, but is at least closer to truth then the last corrupted version. Let's not let perfect be the enemy of progress
- kristopolous 8mo agoThe incentives are wrong. Any good policy for bad incentives is temporary and incidental This policy selectively emphasizes the most difficult to import foods so it also plays into isolationist nativist policies. If you think meat lobbying groups just wanted a new triangle and this isn't going to extend to water, land, energy, and environmental policies along with farm subsidies and even merger&acquisition and liability policies, sorry ... This thing is for them, their profitability and their investors. They didn't lobby on behalf of your personal health... Open a position on the MOO ETF. I just did. Might as well make some money from it
- insane_dreamer 8mo agoCouldn't agree more that we should be eating minimally processed food -- our family spends money and time to do just that. I'm glad the gov is promoting it more heavily. But this statement on the home page of that website is preposterous: "For decades we've been misled by guidance that prioritized highly processed food," What guidance ever suggested eating highly processed food? Other than ads of course, but this implies medical guidance. Doctors, nutritionists etc. have been pushing minimally-processed fruits and veggies and avoiding highly-processed food for decades. What a horrible attempt to portray this as somehow "new" guidance by a "newly enlightened" leader (aka RFK).
- robgibbons 8mo agoThis site is flagged for some reason by BitDefender.
- __MatrixMan__ 8mo agoI wish we could move past the "highly processed food" thing. You can engineer healthy food. The problems isn't the processing. Its that most people who are engineering food do not have "healthy" among the goals. We're conflating "designed" with "designed recklessly". It matters because a lot of people can't afford the diet suggested here. The messaging needs to distinguish between adding protein powder because there's no meat available, and living on Cheetos because there's no meat available, and "highly processed" fails to do that.
- tugdual 8mo agoThe reason we're conflating them is because there is a strong correlation between "highly processed food" and "designed recklessly". If you look at Carlos Monteiro (The pioneer in this domain) he operationalized it with the NOVA metric. NOVA 4 being the closest to what you're talking about: "Industrially manufactured food products made up of several ingredients (formulations) including sugar, oils, fats and salt (generally in combination and in higher amounts than in processed foods) and food substances of no or rare culinary use (such as high-fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated oils, modified starches and protein isolates)..." [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_classification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_classification I highly recommend Chris van Tulleken's Ultra-processed people for a more indepth read on this fat correlation (excuse the pun :))
- lm28469 8mo ago> You can engineer healthy food. Sure, but these companies mostly want to engineer the cheapest shit they can legally sell. It's also valid from regular food, it's a race to the bottom, and that's why veggies/fruit are less and less nutritious over the years https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10969708/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10969708/ > It matters because a lot of people can't afford the diet suggested here. #1 economy in the world baby!!! 75% of your country is overweight or obese but somehow they can't "afford" good food
- habosa 8mo agoThis article has a pretty good history of how the research has evolved: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/01/13/why-is-the-american-diet-so-deadly https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/01/13/why-is-the-ame... The latest conclusion seems to be that the deadly combo is ultra processed foods with high calorie density. That’s what causes us to overeat garbage. Ultra processed low calorie foods are often still junk, but not what is killing us.
- balls187 8mo agoBacked by Science*
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- staticassertion 8mo agoThis site is infuriating. The information seems banal and better than the previous pyramid, though flawed. It is quite stupid to say that the US is sick because of processed food while ignoring poverty, education, and insurance. The messaging should not include that but what can you expect?
- 46493168 8mo agoGo vegan <3
- rus20376 8mo agoThe message overall doesn’t seem especially controversial. I am personally disappointed on what seems to be a de-emphasizing of healthful plant based sources of protein such as beans and legumes, although nuts do seem to be noted more prominently. If the message is “eat plenty of protein and fiber” beans and legumes are a great food that has both.
- sailfast 8mo agoAre they going to subsidize real food also? Maybe help get people access to it? Or just talk about how good it is while they let people subsist on the most calories they can get for their dollar? Also - great... another website as "governance". Put out a press release - it's solved!
- mnemotronic 8mo agoYea! Fat and red meat are back in style! And not a smidgen of talk about moderation! Woo-hoo! This guy is my hero:https://arstechnica.com/health/2025/01/florida-man-eats-diet https://arstechnica.com/health/2025/01/florida-man-eats-diet...
- aussieguy1234 8mo agoIf you are of European decent, 80% of your ancestors diet was whole grains.
- neves 8mo agoEric Topol is a better scientist than you favorite wellness expert. Here he talks about protein: https://erictopol.substack.com/p/our-preoccupation-with-protein-intake?utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app&triedRedirect=true https://erictopol.substack.com/p/our-preoccupation-with-prot...
- theturtlemoves 8mo agoCarnivore diet from 2022-2024 and now carnivore by day, keto at the dinner table I can't begin to list the health problems that completely disappeared or went into remission for me. Lapse and I'm a ball of misery for three days. Happy to have gone to carni/keto, wish I'd done that twenty years ago. The best time to enjoy my health would have been 20 years ago, the next best time is now. Glad to see this.
- Brystephor 8mo agoAnd no change in exercise or other levels of physical activity, home life, work life, or other diets attempted, right? Its awesome that youre feeling better. Its possible, but hard to believe, that its due to nothing but diet changes and if it is, then its hard to imagine that such an extremely specific diet is needed to get the same results.
- theturtlemoves 8mo agoYes, sure, I also took up a physical job and started taking cold showers. Have quit the physical job a year ago, still occasionally cold shower. Feel free to judge for yourself: cysts, acne, eczema, Raynaud's syndrome, dizziness, poor wound healing, easy bruising, tinnitus, eyesight problems, restless arms and legs (damn now that I list this I'm so fucking lucky, waking up with restless arms and legs fucking sucks), twisting my ankle whenever the pavement isn't perfectly flat, hand eye coordination problems and more subjective things like less tension and better sleep
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- ANarrativeApe 8mo agoif everybody eats the whole foods they can afford, they will be healthier than if they eat an ultra high processed food diet. The cost of living issue could actually work in favor of those with less money as they can afford less of the unprocessed meat and cheese, and would have to 'settle' for more lentils, frozen vegetables and other incredibly healthy and inexpensive food. yes, I know the cultural reasons that will make this switch highly unlikely, but that is disconnected from the pyramid. The popular takeaway from the pyramid will not result in a decrease in the popularity of takeaways, ready meals and other UHP foods. The polarization of the debate is as unhealthy as the eating habits that desperately need changing.
- calmbell 8mo agoWhole foods are affordable and healthy. My wife and I eat mostly rice, tofu, lentils (especially red), and vegetables (mostly frozen). We buy in bulk, spend around $350 a month on groceries (while barely eating out), and have a lot of variety through preparing the tofu and lentils in different ways. Our favorites recipes are from Nisha Vora of Rainbow Plant Life and The Vegan Chinese Kitchen.
- sonar_un 8mo agoA WFPB diet is easily the most affordable diet, by far. Much cheaper than meat or even vegetarian diets.
- solatic 8mo agoPeople should look at the actual guidelines, not the flashy website: https://cdn.realfood.gov/Daily%20Serving%20Sizes.pdf https://cdn.realfood.gov/Daily%20Serving%20Sizes.pdf In a 2000 calorie diet, 7-9 servings summed over fruits, vegetables, and grains vs. 6-7 servings summed over protein and dairy. 3-4 servings of protein where a serving is 1 egg or 3 ounces of meat means eating a meatless 2-egg breakfast and maybe a single hamburger patty at lunch and that's pretty much your daily protein. Hardly some carnivorous revolution.
- tensor 8mo agoFor a 2000 calorie diet, the previous recommendation was 5.5oz of meat a day [1], the new one is 9-12oz. The new diet gets 18-24g of protein from meat. Meanwhile they are saying on their flashy website that a 160lb person should have 80g of protein, which no doubt will lead people to eat 13 eggs a day instead of 3-4. Suffice to say, I don't think any American actually followed the old guidelines, and I doubt any will follow this one either. [1] https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/sites/default/files/2020-12/Dietary_Guidelines_for_Americans_2020-2025.pdf https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/sites/default/files/2020-1...
- flockonus 8mo agoVery interesting, if they indeed are after public health and yet don't talk about organic vs. sprayed produce.
- d--b 8mo agoWell it takes some politics to get this kind of culture shift. As long as highly processed food is cheap and working class people are paid what they are paid, there is no chance of anything changing. Additionnally, it is generally cheaper to eat at a fast food place than to actually cook at home. And since people don’t have time to go back home and cook something for lunch, they just eat at subway’s, domino’s or mc donald’s. And since this has been going on for more than a generation, today’s grandparents don’t even know how to cook from raw ingredients anymore. The US is sick, but change doesn’t start with food, it starts with fixing the economic inequality.
- lIl-IIIl 8mo agoThere's some inconsistency between the pyramid graphic and the written guideline. For example whole grains are moved to the tip of the pyramid. But the written guidelines say 2-4 servings a day.
- eimrine 8mo agoDrink real milk, not the ultra-pasterized shit.
- fsh 8mo agoMy impression is that most nutritional research is just p-hacking on extremely noisy data. The only consistent outcome is that eating too much for an extended period of time is extremely unhealthy, regardless of what you are eating. Unfortunately, this runs contrary to the "more is better" mentality of US consumers who throw a hissy fit if food portions are not gigantic.
- arnejenssen 8mo agoFantastic. This will set America on a trajectory to prosperity
- thunfischtoast 8mo agoThe "protein" part of the "new" pyramid does not mention legumes (beans, peas, chickpeas, lentils, lupins...) despite them being a highly efficient source of proteins.
- deathanatos 8mo ago… eggs are $6.50/dz at my local grocer, this week. Hand-printed sign on the door apologizing for the shortage. Tyson bought a more local company, and the prices of the product I had bought from the local producer went up like 50%. We bought a soft drink for holiday game watching — Dr. Pepper with berries or something — and despite a shrink-flated can, it had something like 71% DV of sugar in it. That seemed excessive (and I ended up rate limiting them because of it), but it is frustrating to need to constantly treat the products around me like they're trying to sabotage me.
- spiderfarmer 8mo agoMove to Europe.
- Cthulhu_ 8mo agoEggs and meat products are way up in Europe (at least in NL) too, bird flu, government buyouts to reduce nitrogen emissions, etc. Here's a neat page with market prices for eggs: https://www.nieuweoogst.nl/marktprijzen/eieren https://www.nieuweoogst.nl/marktprijzen/eieren. On the other hand, potatoes are down to near zero this year (bullwhip effect, last year there were crop failures and prices were way up so farmers planted more potatoes). Doesn't necessarily translate to consumer prices but nobody considers potatoes to be expensive anyway.
- lm28469 8mo agoWe have enough americans already
- kvuj 8mo agoAnd get a salary that is 1/3 my current with lower purchasing power? No thank you, I'm able to select healthy food from a grocery store.
- mcintyre1994 8mo agoSo dumb question I guess but which part of that old pyramid is supposed to be prioritising highly processed food?
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- zkmon 8mo agoSo, humans lost all of their evolutionary learnings and confused about what to eat. This doesn't happen with any other animal. And humans call themselves as an advanced race of animals. Not knowing what to eat is regress, not progress. Things went well as long as mind was a servant of the body. Then it became the master and dictator of body. The mind started posing itself as a scientist and started questioning everything that were well-tested over centuries. It came up weird things such proteins, vitamins etc, but it forgot that what mattered was the big picture. Body suffered silently as it lost it's most critical servant whom it trained over millennia. It was enough to know that water flows down the slope, apple falls to ground, Sun goes around the Earth and life follows a rythm of seasons. Human life never needed Kepler's laws, relativity, quantum physics, computers, cars or sugar. It's not too late. Listen to your instincts and body signals. Live on a farm (farm means crops and gardens, not just animals). Eat like your ancestors did. Eat less, eat varied food, more of greens and grains, mostly raw with a bit of cooking or heating.
- Centigonal 8mo agoMy sister's cat will eat food until she vomits, and if my sister isn't quick enough with the clean up, the cat will try to eat her own vomit until she vomits again.
- Chance-Device 8mo agoThe majesty of nature.
- sneak 8mo agoIf you put me alone in a room with a pallet full of warm fresh Taco Bell fried cinnamon sugar frosting balls, I too will likely involuntarily perform the scarf and barf. There is something deep in our mammalian systems that never quite shook off the food scarcity thing, I think.
- 3D30497420 8mo agoI'm a pretty big fan of the cancer treatments that saved my mother, the emergency medical treatment that saved my wife, the antibiotics that saved my brother. Also, it is -15C outside, and I am very much enjoying central heating. With that said, I do partly agree with you. I do think that becoming too divorced from the natural world drives a great many ills. I think the challenge is finding the balance. We sure don't have it now.
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- scarhawk2026 8mo agoI love how this is still quite far off from the Harvard Food Pyramid.. But why use one of your best resources for research.. https://nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu/healthy-eating-pyramid/ https://nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu/healthy-eating-pyra...
- anhner 8mo agois it really the best resource if it recommends alcohol??
- kelseydh 8mo agoCopyright © 2008 When was this web page last updated?
- scarhawk2026 8mo agohttps://nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu/healthy-eating-plate/ https://nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu/healthy-eating-plat... Actually 2023. And also 2024. https://nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu/2024/01/02/healthy-living-guide-2023-2024/ https://nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu/2024/01/02/healthy-...
- fnord123 8mo ago> America is sick. The data is clear. Can we inform dictionaries and encyclopaedia that data is now a mass noun and it is considered archaic to use data as a plural of datum?
- sn0wleppard 8mo agoOED records the first usage as a mass noun in 1702, I think the ship's already sailed there
- awl130 8mo agoBravo. I never thought I'd live to see the day. The old pyramid was so outdated.
- ptdorf 8mo agoRed meat is good for you. Animal fat is good for you. Sugar is the real enemy.
- globular-toast 8mo agoIt's funny how language betrays how people think. Notice how it's always a "war" with these people. "War on motorists", "war on drugs", and "war on protein" now. These people are unable to think about anything doesn't involve conflict of some kind. Even in peacetime, they will find it, somehow.
- tekkk 8mo agoDoes this mean better school lunches? With real salad and meat, not just hamburgers and ketchup. I'd hope so.
- otikik 8mo ago> The new Pyramid > Protein, Dairy & Healthy Fats (shows picture of butter) I'm sorry to say this, but butter, even if delicious, is not a "healthy fat". It's "less unhealthy" than margarine, and perhaps that's what they are going for. Healthy fats are Olive oil (especially extra virgin), avocado, nuts, seeds and fatty fish.
- a3w 8mo agoHow is milk considered food? Way too sweet for a diet in a rich country.
- NPC82 8mo agoTraditionally, the US Dietary Guidelines for Americans (DGA) is actually a policy guidance document and not a marketing or handout document. Nine pages is laughable and sad. There are entire missing sections on different life stages and transition foods. (edit: I see it now, I scrolled by it because it's way shorter than it usually is) That kind of sensitive guidance on nutrition is supposed to come from this document - which is usually 150+ pages and includes input from committees of registered dietitians. I'm glad some people are enthusiastic to find nutritional clarity in their lives but I can't imagine this is going to be helpful for the institutions or people that usually rely on it. Also, please remember this secretary is actively ignoring a measles outbreak, has an obsession with instagram health fads, and is a disgrace to the global scientific community.
- RagAlgo 8mo agoCoffee might be bitter and unpleasant at first, but like vegetables, you'll get used to it over time. Don't just seek out what suits your taste. You can't live like an elementary school student, right? Why not try eating vegetables first before judging what's good or bad? I'm not advocating vegetarianism, though.
- c16 8mo agoCredit where credit is due, going back to whole-foods and single-ingredient foods is the correct decision for everyone, and is often cheaper. But you can tell it's with a heavy focus on meatpacking, and it's known there's heavy lobbying going on. Is that a bad thing? I'd rather people eat single ingredient foods and foods without labels (fruit, veg) than neon green cereals. I guess my point here is that it's a little sad the 'right' outcome was as a result of heavy lobbying. The correct order should have been greens > proteins > carbs for an overweight nation.
- NPC82 8mo agoThe Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics has put out a statement in response: https://www.eatrightpro.org/about-us/who-we-are/public-statements/academy-statement-on-2025-2030-dgas-release https://www.eatrightpro.org/about-us/who-we-are/public-state...
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- backtogeek 8mo agoAll the deep state stuff aside, I switched to 100% unprocessed meals for a month sometime ago after finding out I was becoming insulin resistant. It worked I feel better and a few other things... My eye sight improved and my beard, leg and arm hair increased, noticeably.
- jibal 8mo ago"Better health begins on your plate—not in your medicine cabinet." This is an extraordinarily dangerous false dichotomy and misrepresentation. This government is killing people.
- tomaytotomato 8mo agoIt's interesting to see the commentary on processed meat and inverting the pyramid. T It feels a bit Orwellian in some way - Oceania is always the enemy, Saturated fat was never the enemy. Meat is ok, I try and consume fish and chicken with the odd bit of beef, but the amount of chemicals that goes into processed meat like sliced ham would make a chemist blush. I wrote a light hearted blog piece just before the new year on giving up processed meat if anyone is interested: https://tomaytotomato.com/no-ham-anuary/ https://tomaytotomato.com/no-ham-anuary/ Also mandatory South Park clip: https://youtu.be/fIGXkh6S8Zw https://youtu.be/fIGXkh6S8Zw
- worldsavior 8mo agoThose are great animations. It's amazing what a browser can show.
- sjw987 8mo agoIn general, this message is good. Particularly interesting from a country which has given the world McDonalds and Coca Cola. The rise of Ultra Processed Food (UPF) is almost inline with the explosion of waistlines around the world. Not to mention several large scale studies have found clear links between high UPF consumption and cognitive decline, dementia and Alzheimer's. In the West, 60 to 80% of peoples diets are UPF. What we eat is both a short term (overweight and obese people bunging up the public healthcare system) and long term (elderly people with dementia and Alzheimer's clogging up the social care system) catastrophe. Generally if it's coming in plastic wrap, you don't recognise stuff in the ingredients, or it has a ridiculously unnatural sounding lifespan, it's UPF. It's disturbing how penetrative UPF are in the food market. I bought an "Eat Natural" cashew and blueberry with yoghurt coating bar this morning. Of course, very unnaturally it has sunflower lecithin, glucose syrup, palm kernel oil and palm oil vegetable fats, making it technically NOVA class 4 UPF.
- Finbarr 8mo agoIf you’d like a less condensed version of this, I highly recommend reading “In Defense of Food” by Pollan. It covers all the changes in nutritional science and food packaging that have led to the poisoning of the populace by the food industry, and it lays out a set of rules for what to eat and how to eat it in more detail.
- danielovichdk 8mo agoShove some letters in there. You ate your way in. You can walk your way out.
- mark_l_watson 8mo agoWhile the over-arc of this message is good (avoid packaged and processed food) I personally don’t like the advice that these are not top tier foods: non-GMO organic whole wheat (i.e., not soaked with pesticides), brown rice, and other pesticide-free whole grains —- all in moderation. I also don’t like the emphasis on meat protein. Small amounts of meat protein a few times a week are definitely healthy for most people, but organic (not soaked in pesticides) beans, lentils, etc. are almost certainly a healthy way to consume extra protein. I sense the ugly hand of the meat industry in realfood.gov. I think if more people understood how (especially) chickens and pigs are tortured in meat production, it would help people who are addicted to excess meat cut back on their consumption to just what they need for good health. EDIT: the documentary movie The Game Changers (2018) is an excellent source of information. The scenes interviewing huge muscular vegetarian NFL football players really put the lie to the ‘must have meat’ addicts. That said, I still think small amounts of meat protein are very healthy for most people.
- dillydogg 8mo agoI totally agree on all three accounts: unprocessed foods are great, organic wheats are good, and the concerning focus on abundance of red meat. I think we are going through a fad of "we need to gobble down as much protein as we can". I agree it's reasonable we need more, and especially older adults at risk of falling. I am concerned that there are so many junior residents that I work with that are throwing back protein shakes because they are "optimizing their macros". So many of these protein powders have added sugar and are contaminated with heavy metals! I will commend the guidelines for supporting lentils, beans and other pulses.
- Spacemolte 8mo ago"Eat real food" yet they seem to roll back regulation including but not limited to food safety?
- stewx 8mo ago> We are ending the war on protein. Every meal must prioritize high-quality, nutrient-dense protein from both animal and plant sources, paired with healthy fats from whole foods such as eggs, seafood, meats, full-fat dairy, nuts, seeds, olives, and avocados. This is some seriously radical stuff, if you take it literally. Every single meal you eat "must" prioritize protein? Why? Who is lacking protein in America?
- greener_grass 8mo agoProject 2025 was strongly against active travel, yet increased car dependency is one of the main factors in poor health in the USA.
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- lunias 8mo agoCool, yet another pyramid that people will debate. There a lot of different diets. Try them and judge which ones work best for you based on your goals and which foods are available to you. A lot of people in the United States struggle with caloric restriction i.e. not which foods, but how much.
- rubzah 8mo agoInstead of more meat, eat more eggs. Eggs are as good a protein source as meat, down to the same amino acid groups (unlike other protein sources, like plant-based). People used to worry about cholesterol but that has pretty much been put to rest by now.
- okokwhatever 8mo agoThis is OK
- crispyambulance 8mo agoGiven that HHS is now run by a nutcase, it’s surprisingly not a completely insane dietary recommendation. I think a sensible person would do OK following those general guidelines. That said, if you don’t like it, disregard it. No one is forcing you. I think it has too much emphasis on protein but that’s just me. These guidelines theoretically could influence school lunches. Will it make them worse or better or change nothing? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- nottorp 8mo agoScrolling that kills my browser. I suppose the info is only for those who can afford very high end computers and thus also afford to pay for real food?
- ck2 8mo agoevery single gov website is being hijacked for propaganda one by one completely untrustworthy I fully expect weather .gov at some point to be taken over, nothing is sacred with these a-holes https://404media.co/dhs-is-lying-to-you-about-ice-shooting-a-woman https://404media.co/dhs-is-lying-to-you-about-ice-shooting-a... impeach them all
- ainiriand 8mo agoHalf the pyramid is dairy+meat, that's a pass for me. I do not eat those and my yearly health checks are as boring as a tax seminar on a Friday afternoon.
- cassepipe 8mo ago> For decades we've been misled by guidance that prioritized highly processed food, and are now facing rates of unprecedented chronic disease. Is this true ? I don't think the blame is to place on the previous guidance but people just you know food engineering and natural laziness, no ?
- markvdb 8mo agoWhy would I trust these recommendations? Much higher quality dietary information is available from much more trustworthy sources than the US government du jour.
- swatson741 8mo agoI dunno about this. The problem mainly affects low-income families and residents of food deserts, and now the government is trying to put everyone on a keto diet. It just seems like they're not fixing the problems where they happen.
- cramcgrab 8mo agoYou can eat what you want, I’m eating real food. Good luck!
- bovermyer 8mo agoIt's fascinating that my new gut reaction to the combination of "health" and ".gov" is now deeply negative. That was not the case a decade ago.
- xnx 8mo agoHarvard (https://nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu/healthy-eating-plate/ https://nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu/healthy-eating-plat...) or Canada's (https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/ https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/) guides are better.
- ratelimitsteve 8mo agoRFK is insane about a lot of things but I've been eating roughly like this with a focus on lean protein and fresh produce and I brought myself back from the brink of prediabetes and basically got rid of my sleep apnea. Besides, the last food pyramid was just as worked by industry lobbyists as this one is. That's the problem with tolerating a little bit of corruption: the difference between you and the blatantly corrupt goes from being a difference of kind to merely a difference of degree.
- sneak 8mo agoA reminder: cardiovascular disease is right up there close to tied with cancer for the #1 killer in non-accidental deaths. Cholesterol only comes from animals. Non-animal protein sources are much safer and healthier for humans to consume. This website is not science, it's ideology. But we already knew that's all we could expect from RFK and this administration.
- jamesnights 8mo agoI question the premise. Why would you ask a government what's healthy to eat? That's a question for your doctor, your community, or medical institutions and universities, people who study that kind of thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthy_diet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthy_diet
- sneak 8mo agoNobody asked them. The people who produce certain types of food paid them to shout loudly about it, because many people are used to paying attention to the government when they make loud noises (due to their ability to imprison you or steal your home or outlaw your profession). This is entirely top-down totalitarian shit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleichschaltung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleichschaltung > [T]he secret of propaganda [is to] permeate the person it aims to grasp, without his even noticing that he is being permeated. Of course propaganda has a purpose, but the purpose must be concealed with such cleverness and virtuosity that the person on whom this purpose is to be carried out doesn't notice it at all. Note well that something being true, or false, or rooted in truth or falsehood has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not something is propaganda, or can serve as effective propaganda. Cardiovascular disease is the NUMBER ONE cause of non-accidental death in adults. It kills almost twice as many as cancer. Recommending high cholesterol foods as staples is grossly irresponsible and will result in millions, perhaps billions of curtailed life-years.
- richwater 8mo ago> This is entirely top-down totalitarian shit. So since the beginning of time when the government introduced the food pyramid, we've been in a totalitarian regime? This entire comment is so over the top I question if it's meant to be satire.
- dangus 8mo agoHere's the problem: the Republican government is against almost everything that is proven to improve health outcomes. They are against transit funding, urbanism, bike lanes, etc, and are pro-automobile and pro-car-dependency. Remember when Republicans literally killed high speed rail in Ohio? They are essentially anti-city almost as a base concept. See all their political jabs at cities like New York, Chicago, and San Francisco. One of the healthiest states in terms of obesity rates, California, is the party's punching bag. The party is trying to end ACA subsidies and is against universal healthcare and access to preventative care. How will Americans access dieticians and nutritionists if they can't afford private health insurance? How will Americans eat real food if Republicans decide to hold food stamps hostage every time there is a budget dispute? Trump himself is known to be anti-exercise on a personal level. [1] [1] https://nypost.com/2026/01/01/us-news/president-trump-explains-why-he-doesnt-like-to-exercise-its-boring/ https://nypost.com/2026/01/01/us-news/president-trump-explai...
- maerF0x0 8mo agoThe good are things we've known for a while. Most of them result in unintended decrease in calories consumed and resulting weight/fat loss. - More protein (than the prior RDA of 0.39g/lb) can lead to inadvertent caloric restriction and weight loss, and obesity is driving a large number of negative health outcomes. Also improves lean mass (muscle) retention during weight loss. - Processed foods have lower satiety per calorie, and hence can lead to the same outcomes described above. - Most people can benefit from eating more fruit and veggies. (Lots of people who change to vegetarian inadvertently eat significantly fewer calories because the food is not calorie dense) The one glaring part I have a hard time reconciling is: - This new Real Food guide seems like it's going to increase people's saturated fat intake, which is not good. DASH/Mediterranean diet seems to be a better model than both the prior and new pyramids.
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- eudamoniac 8mo agoThis isn't perfect. It is superb though, compared to previous recommendations. Let's take the wins when we get them. This release is closely aligned with the literature.
- socalgal2 8mo agoFew ingredients is code for white people’s ideas of food. Example: Curry has and average of 10-15 ingredients. Malaysian 15-20. Thai: 15–20. China: 10–16. Indonesia: 20–25. Mexican Moles 20-30. Etc….. note: I expect this is unintentional. The authors of the new recommendations think more ingredients = processed. But it still ends up being an accidental judgement against other cultures. Indonesia — 20–25 Malaysia — 15–20 Thailand — 15–20 India — 12–18 Mexico — 12–18 Ethiopia — 14–18 China — 10–16 Vietnam — 10–16 Morocco — 10–15 South Korea — 10–15 Italy — 4–7 Japan — 5–8 France — 6–9 Spain — 5–9 Greece — 6–10 United Kingdom — 5–9 Germany — 5–9 Austria — 5–9 Switzerland — 5–9
- broof 8mo agoI’m pretty sure there was a shot of curry in the video
- maerF0x0 8mo agoIt's an interesting point. I would suggest the its kinda recursive. Good food ingredients are those which are or composed of Good food ingredients. We can intuitively realize that A salad composed of Tomatoes, lettuce, radish, kale, cucumber, figs etc is at least as good as just eating Tomatoes. But each of those ingredients is a simple good food. IMO the issue is fractionation and concentration (and is weighted by dose). Corn on the cob, good. Corn syrup, bad. Lots of the traditional dishes from the places you mentioned would be using very whole foods. Like a traditional, non industrial, mole is pretty much a gravy/sauce of very nutrition whole foods. But it's notable there is a highly processed equivalent in a jar. Michael Pollan interestingly noted that when people cook food for themselves more or less from scratch they usually default to high quality whole foods because we often cannot make the low quality ultra-processed food in our own homes, they can only be made with industrial/factory equipment.
- gradientsrneat 8mo agoI've seen ultra-processed food mentioned in other countries as well. It's a buzzword with no meaning. Pasteurization saves lives. Flash-frozen foods retain more nutrition in transit, while freezing seafood kills parasites. And even the best bread and butter are as processed as food can get. I'm reading the "chemical additives" list and it's a mix of obviously harmful things with known safe things added in trace concentrations - there's no intellectual rigor and a lot of fearmomgering.
- sejje 8mo agoWhen I hear "ultra-processed," here's what comes to mind: - little Debbie snack cakes - cereals - white breads - hot dogs - chips - pizza rolls - Velveeta - pop tarts So I guess you're right, it has no meaning. But you're way off, I don't think anyone is talking about frozen raw fish as "ultra processed", or pasteurized milk.
- bromuro 8mo agoHow can be something simple as bread be ultra processed? We can prepare it at home.
- beezlebroxxxxxx 8mo agoLooking at the ingredients list on Wonderbread white bread, could you make that at home? You can make bread with salt, flour, yeast, and water. Most breads in the grocery store, however, have considerably more ingredients, which are more in the purpose of treating the foodstuff as an industrial product rather than for nutritional purposes. (That's not automatically bad btw. The amount of ultraprocessed food you can eat is actually probably quite a lot in relative terms before it starts causing health problems --- the problem is when it becomes 70-80% of your diet.)
- bromuro 8mo agoOh I haven’t imagined that someone could refer to those products as just “bread”. Is “old school” backed bread available in the US supermarket ?
- ramon156 8mo agoAnyone know how I can contact https://ndstudio.gov/ https://ndstudio.gov/ ? their talent form is broken
- resters 8mo agoAs someone who eats whole fruits and vegetables, some meat and fish, etc. already, I would like to feel more confident in the following: - there is no way that any of the fish I am eating was from polluted water or contains any harmful chemicals. - there is no way that any of the meat I am eating was sick, raised in horrible conditions, had cancer, had significant wounds or puss-producing sores, was fed the feces of other animals, was fed chemicals or hormones, etc. - there is no way that any of the vegetables I am eating were watered with dirty water or fertilized or exposed to pesticides that are not 100% safe.
- tnel77 8mo agoIt’s not perfect, but buying bulk meat directly from a farmer can greatly reduce the issues you listed above.
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- mud_dauber 8mo agoI'd almost pay attention to the message, but Kennedy has no credibility with me. Giving up 90% of animal protein has made me leaner with vastly lower cholesterol.
- resumenext 8mo agoThe big issue I have with this is no kale or oatmeal in the pyramid image. And rice seems to get a bad rank too. How many fat Asians do you see? People diss oatmeal (lames, tbh) cause of “leaky gut” but is that even a real thing? There’s also glyphosates but quaker is nongmo according to the label. Anyway, I see “leaky gut” and I think quack. The pyramid should have more kale, truly.
- davidmurdoch 8mo agoAre you looking at the wrong website?
- resumenext 8mo agoProbably. Was kale in there somewhere?
- davidmurdoch 8mo agoKale is a vegetable. So yes.
- resumenext 8mo agoI was referring to the artwork specifically, the actual pyramid.
- torcete 8mo agoIn reference to this. I just want to tell the case of sugar alcohols and my partner. She used to suffer random intestinal bloating and it tooks us a while to discover the reason. We were aware of the problems associated with carbs and sugar consumption and we tried to find alternatives so we switched to 0% sugar foods. It turns out that most of them are filled with sweeteners, mostly sugar alcohols, and they have worse consequences. In fact, anything that you ingest, and it is not absorbed by your digestive system, must go somewhere. Sugar alcohols can be fermented by the gut bacteria causing other kinds of problems. I would say that the best thing to do is to reduce/remove sugar from your diet without trying to find substitutes. By the way, my partner went to her GP (NHS) and they just dismissed her case by just saying. "Oh, we believe you have IBS". That's it, case close.
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- zartzurt 8mo agoDid anyone notice that if you hold right or left arrow button in the last section you can see rfk jr image appearing
- hellonov24 8mo agoSite is beautiful. The current food is fucking trash, the new food guidelines make sense. Good work.
- tomyhsieh 8mo agoThis is straight up the best US government campaign website I’ve seen. Kudos to whoever made this!
- SilentM68 8mo agoRegardless of who's right or wrong, who's more corrupt or not, in this case, "The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of the Few," because in the long run, the US population's health will be better off overall, as the industry shift from ultra processed foods and sugars outweighs saturated fat risks if guidelines are followed moderately.
- chad_strategic 8mo agoWe should trust our government to make the right decision for our health.
- xedrac 8mo agoOne thing I would add to this site is to avoid seed oils like the plague. PUFA is in almost everything that is processed, and it absolutely wrecks havoc on your metabolism.
- 60pfennig 8mo agoI thought America has fallen and nothing has to be expected then bullshit from the government. And now they want there citizens to eat healthy? Whats next? Asking to use renewables to save the earth?
- magrietdennis 8mo ago[dead]
- qalmakka 8mo agoCalling butter or red meat "healthy" is so utterly wrong. Saturated fat is at best neutral, and probably bad for you. Putting it in the same league as extra virgin olive oil is an insult to anyone with intelligence, even lard would be less bad than that And given that we know that red meat is probably carcinogen it's insane for anyone to recommend its consumption. You should be eating as little of it as possible and focus on fish, beans and poultry. Ironically there are basically no recommendations anywhere to eat more beans. Is so blatantly clear to me that the USDA and RFK jr got bought by the meat and dairy industry that's not even funny
- NELSKATE 8mo ago[dead]