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Aurornis
3d ago
> I thought this was commonly accepted to be the case that companies which sell access to LLMs are also storing and training on the inputs? The services have toggles to allow prompts to be used in the training set. There is a conspiracy
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Aurornis
3d ago
I do think that the startup pendulum swung too far in the direction of shipping as fast as possible. The cliche advice for years was that if your first shipping MVP wasn’t embarrassing in some way, you probably weren’t shipping fast enough.
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3d ago
I remember going through the same thing. No response. This was a long time ago, though.
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3d ago
> What are you talking about? > If a seller sells you random junk that causes safety issue, they are liable of the damage like the OEM would if their product was bad. No, the GP comment is right. I’ve worked on products where a lot of
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3d ago
> OpenAI themselves has admitted a weak version of this (that prompts might inadvertedly end up improving the model). We don't know the extent of this. I think this is being misunderstood. Codex has a toggle to allow your prompts to
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3d ago
There is nothing illegal about training on traces from frontier models. However the frontier labs don’t have to serve customers who are farming the service for distillation purposes. That’s their choice and they’re free to make it if they d
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4d ago
Those unregulated sub-frontier labs become the new frontier labs because they continue advancing. They advance with the benefit of the open weight models that US companies were forced to release.
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4d ago
> The law should apply to anyone selling model access to Americans So the US AI labs get taken out, and US companies fall behind on access, too? This is beyond unrealistic. > Our European and Asian allies would probably go along with
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4d ago
> Open-weight models are "decelerationist" Open weight models are accelerating AI adoption and make it easier for other labs to advance their own models. There is nothing decelerationist about it. This entire line of thinking c
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4d ago
Your whole argument seems to rest on the idea that the AI race is entirely contained within the United States, where we can regulate them. And that no other country might just take the open weights and continue right on with the advancement
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4d ago
> It's a law, so nobody has to agree to anything. If want to sell access to a model, you have to open the weights. Laws don’t extend to the entire world. There are AI labs outside of the US that are not that far behind. Forcing US c
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4d ago
> It follows if the goal is to deflate the bubble without popping it, The conversation was about AI safety, monitoring, and regulations, not bubbles. Forcing the weights to be opened to the world accomplishes the opposite of all of that.
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4d ago
This is incoherent. The argument seems to be that releasing the weights would slow the frontier labs from raising money, which would give them less money, which would slow progress on AI. It assumed all labs in the entire world agree to sel
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4d ago
> You start from incorrect premises by presupposing agreed-upon rules would never work anyway. The rules would never work on a global economy. If you think the entire world is going to shake hands and agree not to let their companies use
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4d ago
> Sure - look at what is being done today with H1B visas and tariffs. I have some bad news for you if you bought into the idea that the tariffs were good for domestic jobs and the economy. > What is more important to you - having a jo
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4d ago
> How do you keep companies from using the replaced talent as a seat warmer? Hire 1 or 2 accountants, give them a chair and a cubicle, and let AI do the rest of the work. I don’t think the proponents of these ideas care about who does th
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4d ago
> Namely, restricting the use of AI in corporate environments so that it does not destroy the economy as it advances. Regulate what, exactly? Limit what AI corporations can use? Other countries would love that more than anything. Basical
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5d ago
> The problem with psychoactive drugs, as I understand it, is not the lack of positive results. There are plenty of well recognized cases. There is a long way to go toward solid research on this topic. The studies that exist have small s
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5d ago
David Sacks stepped down in March.
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5d ago
Or they will use OpenAI, which allows guardians to complete age verification and enable work for kids age 13 to 17. Anthropic will likely open up, too. Right now both companies have more than enough demand and don't want to risk any jo
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5d ago
> hen I benchmarked it on a (spinning rust) HDD Yes, but as your article notes HDDs have different performance characteristics depending on where the sectors are physically located on the platter. If you could force the swapfile to the s
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5d ago
> Codex and Claude are both widely speculated to be sold at a loss (at least compared to API pricing) It's more likely that the API prices are highly profitable. I could see the subscription plans losing them money for some power us
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5d ago
Selling a product below its cost of production can be done as a loss leader or market share tactic, but eventually you need to sell things for at least what it costs to make them. Economic dumping is a specific scenario where one country tr
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5d ago
I treat OpenRouter as a central point to access specific providers. Pinning is a given for that use case. I’ve tried using un-pinned models and the experience is exactly as you described: Some providers are so unreliable that the majority o
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5d ago
> In Germany, this seems to be the case for a long time already. It’s the case everywhere. The date in the article is May. These links to the Claude help pages get submitted and upvoted on HN periodically. There is usually a big uproar w
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5d ago
> If you'd told me 15 years ago that people would be running freely-distributed software originating from research labs in China on computers self-hosted in their own house as an alternative to authoritarian overreach and control by
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6d ago
Two things that have helped me with quickly recognizing these situations: Programming for MCUs. Less so today when multi-hundred MHz MCUs are cheap, but even several years ago there were a lot of products where you needed to use the cheapes
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6d ago
> 20 new bands a week is… I’ve met music lovers with hi-fi setups that maybe try 3 new albums a week! That’s really quite a lot. If you’re thinking albums and hi-fi setups, it would be a lot! A valuable part of streaming services is the
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6d ago
> and I'd remind people that the relevant price isn't list price but what you actually pay. Fetching a Michael Jackson album out of a bargain bin for $1 is that album for a $1, If going to physical stores, sifting through barga
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6d ago
Blind conviction without nuanced considered harmful.
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