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- moralestapia 1y ago>The only wave guide device out there with > 42 pixels per degree (ppd) is a giant headset that isn’t sold commercially anymore. Magic Leap.
- dylan604 1y agoAre you countering that's the name of a device that does this, or the name of the device that isn't sold any more? I didn't think ML ever made it to anything viable. They just gave great demo
- Philpax 1y agoThe Magic Leap 1 and 2 were commercially available to some degree, but they were not successful. I can't speak to their PPD, but I can't imagine it was that amazing. The HoloLens devices might be another set of candidates.
- blululu 1y agoThe Magic Leap was around 30 pixels per degree when it was still sold. https://kguttag.com/2022/01/31/magic-leap-2-at-spie-ar-vr-mr-2022/ https://kguttag.com/2022/01/31/magic-leap-2-at-spie-ar-vr-mr...
- wkat4242 1y agoI wonder if these are also available in prescription form? I imagine this would be harder due to the light guide in the lens
- anigbrowl 1y agoFinally the Joo-Janta peril sensitive sunglasses I always wanted
- alex1138 1y agoyeah so if you need info on people at Harvard just ask i have over 4000 emails, sns... "what? how'd you manage that one?" people just submitted it, i don't know why. they "trust me". dumb fucks
- spot 1y agoAI Glasses With an EMG Wristband available Sept 30 for $799
- moron4hire 1y agoCapitalOne Meta Ray-Ban Display, brought to you by Costco.
- jhatemyjob 1y agoI'm getting Macworld 2007 vibes
- enos_feedler 1y agoI am getting Phillips CDI vibes. It takes me back to a mid 90s infomercial where products will built by marketing departments and companies with cash to splash. There is just no bottom up cool factor. At all. reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhZdWvnF3do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhZdWvnF3do
- bigyabai 1y ago> There is just no bottom up cool factor. At all. That's just like, your opinion, man.
- enos_feedler 1y agoDid you watch the video link and compare? Curious what you think? Or are you just trolling? I bring substance and you bring negging
- bigyabai 1y agoI grew up on the internet, I know what the CD-i is. Smart glasses are cool. For $800, I'd get one tomorrow if someone had a reproducible jailbreak. I own an Oculus Quest that was worth every dime. Too often HN threads devolve into the same tired comparisons about laserdisks and Palm Pilots. The only precedent we have for a product like this failing is Vision Pro, and this is nothing like that. Your comment was jumping to a conclusion that I think many would disagree with.
- jhatemyjob 1y agoEven if it doesn't get a jailbreak it will still be a gamechanger. It's far more of an open platform than iOS ever was. Sideloading Android apps on the Meta Quest doesn't require any hax, I imagine it will be the same on the Meta Display. An SSH client on this thing will be a huge boost in productivity for me. Can just randomly sit on a park bench and write some code w/ my pocket bluetooth keyboard. This will reduce 90% of my need to bring my laptop out of the house.
- bix6 1y ago> you can accomplish everyday tasks—like checking messages, previewing photos, and collaborating with visual Meta AI prompts — all without needing to pull out your phone. Why do I need to pay $800 for this? I already paid a grand to have a phone disrupt my every waking moment!
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- ww520 1y agoA Ray Ban sunglasses can run up to $500 already.
- bix6 1y agoLove me some luxottica monopoly pricing!
- paxys 1y agoThere's no monopoly. You can buy identical glasses on the side of the street for $10. Except you aren't going to get the RayBan logo, and that's what people are paying for.
- bix6 1y agoTechnically not a monopoly but colloquially I disagree. They account for 30% of the global market. They own key brands, license key premium names, and control key distributors like sunglass hut and LensCrafters. Their cost to manufacture vs sale price shows a clear ability to price like a monopoly. As does their ability to box out competitors. The $10 look alikes are not identical. They generally are cheaper materials, not polarized or coated, etc.
- SoftTalker 1y agoTrue for the $10 ones. But you can get very nice sunglasses with coating and polarizing lenses for way less than RayBan. RayBans are nice glasses too but you are mostly paying for the name.
- rvz 1y agoThis is very impressive for a first version of the AI glasses from Meta. Zuck really has cracked this one. To Downvoters: Give credit where credit is due. I think you are going to realize in a few years why tens of billions was poured into Reality Labs and Oculus. Version 2 or 3 of these glasses is going to set Meta ahead of the rest (except at least Apple).
- nubela 1y agoI think the tech is really cool. But I was actually hoping for a device that does the whole "phone strapped to my face" thing without actually looking like one. I mean if I'm already staring at my screen, why not make it easier?
- addaon 1y agoPretty cool hardware. Count me in if and when it supports interesting software.
- tootie 1y agoThere's the rub isn't it? We've been doing AR for over ten years at this point and I can't name a single blockbuster app besides Pokemon Go.
- paxys 1y agoI saw the keynote, and while everything about the glasses was more or less as expected, seeing Zuck easily navigate the interface and type 30 words per minute while barely moving his fingers was a true WTF moment. If they can actually make the neural interface work that well then Meta has won this round.
- yakz 1y agoDoesn’t that make the wrist accessory the important part? The chunky glasses look like they’re still too early, not enough tech.
- paxys 1y agoThat's why they are sold as a pair. The glasses are simply a screen strapped to your face. How to control it was always the real problem to be solved (and no, voice was never the answer).
- jeron 1y agoI was one of the earliest developers to test Vision Pro after it was announced at Apple Park. My thoughts after using it for a whole day was that the hand gestures really did feel like magic, at the tradeoff of having a huge headset on your head. Costs aside, the Vision Pro is too bulky for use outside of your home. I had the idea of wearables to solve this, as many years ago I had the Myo gesture control armband. They were very early with this product too, and from what I had read, most of that team got acquired/absorbed into Magic Leap
- zmmmmm 1y agoi was disappointed they didn't say you could connect it to other devices too. I would buy it just as a bluetooth keyboard!
- hn_acc1 1y agoWould you have to give Meta a non-exclusive license to every work generated using it as well? HARD PASS.
- bpiche 1y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCDWKdmwhUI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCDWKdmwhUI regina dugan's f8 keynote 8 years ago where they announced they were working on a 'haptic vocabulary' for a skin interface as well as noninvasive brain scanning technologyu\
- ugh123 1y agoEnglish link: https://www.meta.com/blog/meta-ray-ban-display-ai-glasses-connect-2025/ https://www.meta.com/blog/meta-ray-ban-display-ai-glasses-co...
- tomhow 1y agoUpdated, thanks!
- homeonthemtn 1y agoIt's fine. I still don't have a need for this in my life, and it's impractical as a replacement (good luck keeping them on once you start sweating) - you're still going to need your phone. So that means this is just adding 2 more gadgets, both of which I now need to wear? Nah. Not happening. Neat gestures though.
- paxys 1y agoYou'll still need to have a phone, yes, but if the glasses reduce the number of times you pull it out of your pocket then I'd consider them worthwhile. Same as a smartwatch.
- JKCalhoun 1y ago> So that means this is just adding 2 more gadgets Yeah, I see where this is going. (And here I am wanting less gadgets.)
- wronglebowski 1y agoThe live demo of this is brutal. https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1968469616545452055 https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1968469616545452055
- klik99 1y agoThis is why Jobs spent months prepping for each presentation. But hey, at least it's not all faked
- postalcoder 1y agoi love jobs but i do remember the “everybody please turn off your laptops” presentation. live demonstrations are tough - i wish apple would go back to them.
- paxys 1y agoTotally agree. Up until a few years ago failures during live demos on stage used to be a mark of authenticity, and companies playing recordings was always written off as exaggerated or fake. Now all of Apple's keynotes are prerecorded overproduced garbage.
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- gretch 1y agoWhen I was at Meta (then facebook), people lived and died by the live demo creedo. Pitches can be spun, data is cherry picked. But the proof is always in the pudding. This is embarrassing for sure, but from the ashes of this failure we find the resolve to make the next version better.
- gcr 1y agowhy did they choose to air this live? For an internal team sure absolutely, but for public-facing work, prerecorded is the way to go
- barbazoo 1y agoMy neighbour is gonna buy this one as well and I bet it’s going to end up in the same junk drawer as the last one.
- jsheard 1y agoIt seems like a pattern that Meta hardware usually sells relatively well, but then struggles with user retention. It happened with the Quest and so far it's happening with the glasses too. People like the idea of the products much more than the reality of actually using them. https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/3/23818462/meta-ray-ban-stories-smart-glasses-retention-reality-labs https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/3/23818462/meta-ray-ban-stor...
- aerostable_slug 1y agoGood point. OTOH, for me the Quest killer app is Ace. I can practice pistol shooting any time I want, which keeps me using the headset every day. For the glasses, the killer app might be translation. Now, I couldn't say if that will 'translate' into widespread user retention, or — like Ace — only really keep a smaller community engaged (I don't think most users need translation services on a regular basis).
- dylan604 1y agoIt's not so much the hardware, it's the lack of software to use with the hardware. Nobody wants to wait until real hardware exists and risk losing consumer interest, yet they risk losing consumer interest with these half baked products. Sibling comment claims a killer app, but there hasn't truly been a killer app that makes people willing to use the product all the time. The new wears off, and then the use just craters.
- bryant 1y agoThe biggest thing stopping me from getting these is knowing that a derivative of Meta's Orion AR prototype will release to manufacturing in the next few years, and this just feels like a stop-gap. But the wrist/hand control is the thing that impressed me the most in today's release. I'd hope for this to go far beyond just the glasses.
- SequoiaHope 1y agoThe nice thing about AR/VR is that a better version will always come out in a couple of years so you can always wait. I love VR as a concept and some years late I bought a Valve Index and am considering a Bigscreen 2 but really the best thing to do is always wait.
- paxys 1y agoEvery piece of tech has a better version a year or two away. If you keep waiting then you are never going to buy anything.
- xandrius 1y agoI can end up buying from a non-evil company?
- zmmmmm 1y ago> knowing that a derivative of Meta's Orion AR prototype will release to manufacturing in the next few years You actually know that? how? Just the leaked road map or something more concrete?
- tomhow 1y agoPre-release discussion yesterday: Meta RayBan AR glasses shows Lumus waveguide structures in leaked video - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45266215 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45266215 - Sept 2025 (124 comments)
- ivape 1y agoI feel like this and this (https://www.visor.com/ https://www.visor.com/) are going to converge into the same thing. If you really think about it, the average person will only ever use AR glasses for hands free camera, mic/headphone, and to see notifications. If they get really good, then a map overlay of the world. But real productivity will require it to start converging into a bigger visor type headset that is definitely not the same bulky VR form factor. The bulky VR form factor is DOA ergonomically for productivity imho. Lastly, I don't put it past humanity to actually be interested in seeing ad overlays throughout the world because it's just ... cool, at least at first. Killer feature for me: I'd like to see that 3D marker in the world that I need to walk towards like a video game.
- herval 1y agoVisor is largely vaporware (to put it mildly). It’s the form factor Apple is aiming with version 2 or 3 of Vision Pro It’s a very different experience to passthrough, no matter how small you make the glasses, so I’m not sure there’s a clear path to convergence
- kstrauser 1y agoVery interesting. And also, I hereby ban them in our office. Thou shalt not wear spyware while looking at the screens that contain our company IP.
- moralestapia 1y agoSo, no smartphones in your office? Edit: Lmao, fake downvotes while another comment which is essentially the same gets upvoted. The veil has been lifted :D.
- paxys 1y agoDo you also ban cellphones in your office? And email? Text messaging? If an employee wants to steal your IP, they will.
- kstrauser 1y agoI'm not unreasonably worried about my coworkers, compared to a software-controlled camera they'd be wearing on their heads and pointing at our code, internal docs, customer information, etc. And yes, if someone made a habit of pointing their cellphone camera at the screen all day, I would ask them to please knock it off. I don't trust Facebook installing cameras in our workspace, or trust that they couldn't be compromised by another party who might want to watch what we're doing.
- AceJohnny2 1y agoIndeed. Time and time again Facebook/Meta has secretly or openly breached privacy boundaries for their own gain. They cannot be trusted with user data.
- dylan604 1y agoat a company I used to work at, yes, very much so. our personal devices were checked into a locker with security before entering the secured part of the building. you were free to come back out to use it when you needed during the day. the USB ports to our workstations were covered with epoxy. the desktops didn't actually connect to the internet, so email/etc used a remote citrix connection to isolate networks. any network transfer over a set size would send notices. to be honest, it was glorious to be without the device. the shit part was everyday when leaving the office you had to have your bags searched.
- smitty1e 1y agoAs a theoretical matter, this is some nifty stuff. Hats off to everyone involved, as a simple matter of engineering. As a practical matter, this feels too Orwellian. I don't want necessarily want to emit that much information (he said, looking at his Galaxy smart phone and watch) all the time. Possibly I'm trending Luddite in my dotage.
- jrowen 1y agoI think continuing to go for the classic Ray-Ban look is a mistake. I don't think this product is enticing to the Ray-Ban crowd at this point. Ray-Bans are for looking effortlessly cool, not maybe secretly filming people, it's a wolf in sheep's (bulging) clothing. I would go for more steampunk goggles. Get nerds and hobbyists really excited about it. Create a new lane.
- yakz 1y agoA version that is just plainly nerdy (and more comfortable) might not be a bad idea; maybe call it the developer version or something to avoid any association with fashion or luxury.
- kstrauser 1y agoI don't think these look like classic Ray-Bans. It looks like someone selected Wayfarers and then ran stroke path 30px. They're basically the clip art version of Ray-Bans.
- JKCalhoun 1y agoRay-Buns.
- jaccola 1y agoWhy are Ray-Ban doing this, is Meta paying them a boatload? I'm not negative on the Meta glasses, I think a device like this is the future, even still this hurts Ray-Bans reputation in my eyes. It's like if Rolex made a smart watch, the tech just doesn't mesh well with a "luxury" brand.
- chatmasta 1y agoThis is getting closer to the ideal product, but I’m gonna wait for the one from Apple that I know it will be well-tested and integrate with my device. I’m sure it’s coming in the next few years. I can only imagine the pain that will come with trying to get the half-baked Meta ecosystem to cooperate with my iPhone.
- klik99 1y agoI believe the wristband came from this acquisition: https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/23/20881032/facebook-ctrl-labs-acquisition-neural-interface-armband-ar-vr-deal https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/23/20881032/facebook-ctrl-la... Insanely cool, and awesome to see a viable wave guide device. It's so cool that it might outweigh my reluctance to strap facebook to my face.
- jayrhynas 1y agoCTRL-Labs themselves acquired the wristband tech from North/Thalmic, who pivoted into smart glasses for a few years before being acquired by Google. > In an interesting twist, CTRL-Labs purchased a series of patents earlier this year around the Myo armband, a gesture and motion control device developed by North, formerly known as Thalmic Labs. The Myo armband measured electromyography, or EEG, to translate muscle activity into gesture-related software inputs, but North moved on from the product and now makes a stylish pair of AR glasses known as Focals. It now appears the technology North developed may in some way make its way into a Focals competitor by way of CTRL-Labs.
- spot 1y agonope. the technology was invented by CTRL-labs, and at Meta after the acquisition. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09255-w https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09255-w yes the Myo was a similar, earlier, and less capable technology also based on EMG sensing.
- prawn 1y agoI had one of those Thalmic Myo armbands 12ish years ago. Used it a couple of times and then forgot about it. From memory, there were only a few gestures available to program, and anything I could think to sync them to was just as easily handled with keyboard shortcuts (show desktop, close window, change workspace, etc).
- swordsmith 1y agoThe technology was "invented" by CTRL-Labs like how OpenAI "invented" transformer-based language models.
- post_break 1y agoStill no way to replace battery, so in 3 years tops this thing is e-waste.
- Philpax 1y agoThat is also true of most smartphones. Smartphone batteries can be replaced, but specialty equipment and training is required. It's the same problem here, but much worse: they have to pack a significant amount of hardware into the space available. Even if they wanted to, it's unlikely that they could offer user-serviceable batteries.
- blackoil 1y agoTWS are better comparison. Smartphone battery need to be changed in 3-5 years and should cost < $50. People throw them away because new one is better and they have money.
- tinyhouse 1y agoSo this is like Alexa in glasses with a band that lets you do things without speaking? Sounds like a cool technology. I can see how it is useful for sport (bike riding, running, etc; hopefully people don't use it while driving), but to be honest, not something I'm too excited about buying. It feels more of the same.
- LorenDB 1y agoWell, Apple might be Cooked (pun very much intended). Tim is apparently very focused on AI glasses, but here is Meta with display-enabled glasses a year before Apple is planning to release anything. Source: https://www.macrumors.com/2025/05/21/apple-smart-glasses-everything-we-know-so-far/ https://www.macrumors.com/2025/05/21/apple-smart-glasses-eve... or some other Mark Gurman leak
- blackqueeriroh 1y agoWe all love to say this, but everyone forgets: Apple has never beaten competitors by being the first – they’ve beaten them by being the best. Personal computers? Apple wasn’t first. Smartphones with screens? Apple wasn’t first. Tablets? Not first by a mile. True Wireless Earbuds? Nope, not at all first. Smartwatches? Hell no, not first. And yet, Apple’s a category leader in every single one of these areas. I don’t think it matters if Meta releases something first; Apple wins by doing it way better. Arguably, Vision Pro was way too early, even though it’s an incredible experience.
- OhioMan2943 1y agoNo- they beat them by squatting on the most generic logical human friendly style so that other companies can't copy the most natural conception. They're copyright colonialists.
- paxys 1y agoPeople keep saying this, but it is absolutely not true. Apple was first to the personal computer. First to the smartphone. First to the tablet. First to wireless earbuds. The vast majority of the company's revenue comes from segments where they had a multi-year head start over their competitors. In fact products where they play catch up are more prone to failing (Vision Pro, Airpods Max, Homepod, Maps, MobileMe, Ping, Music Connect, AirPower, Airport).
- DonsDiscountGas 1y agoThey absolutely were not first to the smart phone, that was blackberry. It's just that blackberry sucked. They were first to PC but I don't think they were first to laptop.
- josephpmay 1y agoIt's weird that they give a figure for PPV but not FOV. That tells me that the FOV must be pretty terrible
- jsheard 1y agoThe Verge's article says it's 600x600 over a 20 degree FOV.
- 303uru 1y agoI could not be less interested. As the world determine their relationship with their phone needs distance, Zuck has decided everyone wants a phone on their face. Doubt it.
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- hanief 1y agoI refuse to buy hardware from Meta again. I bought two Portal TV from them and it discontinued and not supported within two years. Now I have two junks in my drawer. :(
- amatecha 1y agocries in Oculus Go :( > released on May 1, 2018 to generally positive reviews. By July 2019, the Go was estimated to have sold over two million units. On June 23, 2020, Facebook Technologies announced it would be ending the sales of the Oculus Go later that year
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- laweijfmvo 1y agoending sales is not the same as ending support; use the correct dates!
- amatecha 1y agoI used the correct dates, at least the text is copied/pasted from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oculus_Go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oculus_Go At least they released an update in 2021 that allows people to "root" the device so it won't rely on the cloud services anymore -- a pretty rare occurrence for abandoned products!
- laweijfmvo 1y agoJohn Carmack was the driving force behind this!
- grumbel 1y agoThe Oculus Go was discontinued June 2020, the shop was locked down for any further updates or new games December 2020, that's just six months apart. They did "support" it with security updates until 2022, but it's pretty dead when no new games can be sold.
- babelfish 1y agoPretty disappointed that prescription is limited to -4/+4!
- nomilk 1y agoLooks like there were some bloopers during the demo: https://x.com/nearcyan/status/1968473003592990847 https://x.com/nearcyan/status/1968473003592990847 Huge respect to Zuck and co; I much rather authentic demos where stuff goes pear than some glossy marketing spiel by a non-technical exec. Also, I didn't know this demo was taking place until afterwards, meta really should do more to publicise their demos, especially given they're actually making cool new stuff, unlike a lot of other big tech companies who are more about rent-seeking, advertising and enshitifying than inventing.
- lostmsu 1y agoThe camera access is limited to Meta, no 3rd party developers. For privacy reasons. Meta ♥ privacy
- geuis 1y agoInteresting tech, but the item is completely without any attractive style. Look up "army birth control glasses" (Sorry about the google search link. Apple and Google go out of their way to hide the url when doing searches on Google from mobile Safari.) https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=046dc2c9c0fa6748&udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHz30rPMyW-0vSP0k1VTNmO_w7HWzdssfT8--zJ8qNsl8L7-5q__n7BwgNeB-qyHnROq4kq5QtH1DPgAP9eGH3yp6h9zNaZB5Kq6yrHeryMTG1FKUGWxkpAV0ZJcyK-XW0VwDOA_-OHVWGpm0Ns5Gz3s7haxZubrDIhQDMhC1kfYCO9fyy1OwBOypF6hlIFSArVLVka1Zazp1sHlBIemyi2VjnzQfUkhaD2bwABX0KEp7lz9mA0&q=army+birth+control+glasses&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiMnpPUlOGPAxVKJDQIHRqGGRUQtKgLegQIEhAB&biw=750&bih=352&dpr=3 https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=046dc2c9c0fa6748&udm=2... This is what no one else can seem to understand. The iPad was created in Apple's labs before the iPhone. But Jobs and other staff made the decision to wait several years to launch the phone until the tech caught up to the ambition. They had a certain ascetic they wanted in addition to the hardware and it required time. In this case, it looks like opposite. The tech is finally getting there, but the design team has no sense of making a daily wear product that people should reasonably want to wear. If I imagine a large population of people wearing these daily, it's going to look like middle and high school students from the 70s and 80s in yearbook photos. What's awful is that I'm one of the most fashion ignorant people I know. I wear the same type of shirts and shoes because they're comfortable not stylish. And my glasses are as minimal frame as possible because I don't want a large mass of matter sitting on my face. Even that being said, this product just reminds me of my buddy's army photo of him wearing the Army issued glasses. Not good.
- dylan604 1y ago>Apple and Google go out of their way to hide the url when doing searches on Google from mobile Safari. What? It's only 2 clicks away. You can click the copy button after hitting the share button. /s
- geuis 1y agoYup. I can go to any other of billions of domains in the world and just see the url, but because Google and Apple have a special compensatory friendship we can't do that.
- thot_experiment 1y agoJust in case someone is working on this type of thing. I will easily pay $1000 for an open source glasses thingy that has a monochrome laser display projecting directly onto my retina. IIRC Bosch and Intel have tried this before and the prototypes never went anywhere so there's probably a really good hardware reason why it's not happening but I want that more than any other hardware, it doesn't even have to be both eyes. (admittedly with the recent Android news perhaps non-exploitative mobile computing is about to be dead and buried but shit, I'd lug around a backpack module everywhere running linux if it came to that)
- Philpax 1y agoApple is rumoured to have tried this and caused eye damage as a result: https://macdailynews.com/2017/04/20/leaked-document-details-apple-employee-eye-injuries-hints-at-apple-ar-glasses/ https://macdailynews.com/2017/04/20/leaked-document-details-... It's quite difficult to do that safely, as it turns out! I would love a virtual retinal display, but I assume there's a good reason that nobody has managed to ship one in the last two decades.
- mietek 1y agoMicrovision Nomad was indeed two decades ago, but Microsoft Hololens 2 also used laser retinal projection.
- zmmmmm 1y agoNo display but perhaps you can support these guys and hope they get there: https://mentra.glass/ https://mentra.glass/
- kanwisher 1y agothey do have a display on the glasses
- mietek 1y agoOld Microvision Nomad units from around 2004 pop up on eBay from time to time. I have one; it's a monocular red laser retinal projection display, with a permanently attached computing unit running an ancient version of Windows CE. It's bulky, finicky, and nowhere near open source; there's hardly any documentation for it, but it does work somewhat. I haven't done anything interesting with it yet, because it doesn't have a IMU, and integrating one with it has been difficult. Microsoft Hololens 2 also used Microvision-derived laser retinal projection technology. I don't have one, so I can't say how well it really works, but Microsoft seems to have given up on it as well. If you relax your requirements and allow for a green holographic waveguide display, there are a few other options, but still nothing open source that I'm aware of.
- OhioMan2943 1y agoconsidering meta is short for metadata, this opens up whole new avenues of data harvesting
- 65 1y agoIt's cool in theory, but frankly my mental health is significantly improved if I don't stare at a screen all day.
- aacook 1y agoIt seems like there are a lot of negative comments about Meta's glasses which is surprising to me as a regular user. I bought these both in clear and sunglasses and I love them. I've recorded some of the most amazing videos of my baby with them. Listening to music is fantastic as it's different from regular headphones since you can still hear the world around you — I've even done a few longer bike rides with them and it's been great. I haven't enabled any of the AI or smart features on the glasses, although I've been meaning to give it a try. Some things I don't love about them is the proprietary charging cases, the battery life seems to degrade over time (not totally certain though), and they're sensitive to sweat. Overall I think they show a ton of promise.
- epolanski 1y agoAnd yet users here were super bullish at how Apple was reinventing AR/VR with their visor flop 2 years ago.
- latexr 1y agoIn every popular thread there are tons of people optimistic and pessimistic about the subject. Saying “users here” shared an opinion is always wrong. Just look at the commend thread, there are all kinds of opinions. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36201593 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36201593
- Apfel 1y agoHonestly, as someone who is not particularly pro Apple but bought (and returned) the Vision Pro, I cannot stress enough how much you need to try it out. The issue with the product is entirely the lack of an ecosystem - the interface is unbelievably polished. The eye tracking & finger touch to click feels absolutely perfect. It really did feel like living in the future. I returned it because the security policy at my work didn't allow me to pair it with my macbook, otherwise I would be using it all day every day.
- bamboozled 1y agoYou record your intimate family encounters using Meta products? Sorry for your family.
- m3kw9 1y agonobody is gonna use this, it's the Humane device except on a glasses.
- zhyder 1y agoNeural band is huge, glad they're shipping it already rather than waiting (years?) for a production version of Orion (the full AR glasses they demo'd a year ago together with this neural band). TheVerge found the controls great, even tried an alpha of handwriting for text input: https://youtu.be/5cVGKvl7Oek https://youtu.be/5cVGKvl7Oek These glasses are just "annotated reality" rather than full AR, with just 1 small display; think Google Glass but 100x more discreet. So discreet input and output on a device with a camera.
- askvictor 1y agoI think the backlash against Google Glass was counterproductive - the product was intentionally made to be obvious that someone was wearing it. But because of the backlash, companies that want to do this kind of tech now have to hide it, such as this.
- xandrius 1y agoLet's forget that Google, just like Facebook, is an evil corporation with its main line of product being the sale of personal information, with absolutely no regards, except for when some country manages to slap their wrist. So, it's quite a stretch to say "counterproductive", I'm for one very glad that happened. Sure, I love the tech and what really mind-blowing we could do with it (I was part of devs working with Gglasses) but I don't want these ruthless corps being the ones owning the output. I'll wait until it is open, with self-hosted infra, and until then, I'll politely ask to remove the glasses if someone is talking to me.
- hn_acc1 1y agoThis. I want LESS Meta in my life, not more.
- jonbiggums22 1y agoThe other day I was doing a task I wished to record my view from in case I needed to review later and searched for webcam glasses or something. There are tons of $50 fairly unobtrusive spy glasses on Amazon already. Actually, this reminds me I might buy a pair after all. In my case I was reviewing an important document package and wanted a way to quickly confirm later what I put in. But I've also recorded unboxings (when worried about a potential return) and disassembly of appliances for repairs that I only make every year or two.
- JKCalhoun 1y agoThey have a brand problem. Absolutely no way I buy anything from Meta.
- mgh2 1y agoWhy do you think they rebranded? They are chasing after Gen Z, brainwashing that clean slate.
- AvAn12 1y ago"rebranding" takes more than saying "oh, now we are 'meta'" FB launched with great positive repetitional aura, but, at least to me, they have worn that away bit by bit over the years to the point where it becomes hard to earn back,.
- xnx 1y ago> FB launched with great positive repetitional aura As a site that ranked how hot girls were?
- AvAn12 1y agoOk, I was trying to give as much benefit of the doubt as possible. You are 100% correct of course...
- mortenjorck 1y agoThe vast majority of users knew nothing about Facebook‘s origins until The Social Network. In the mid-to-late 2000s, the perception was of simply a much better designed, much more exclusive alternative to Myspace. Hard to imagine nearly two decades later, but for a brief moment in time, it was cool to be on Facebook.
- bigiain 1y ago> The vast majority of users knew nothing about Facebook‘s origins They are all <checks notes> "dumb fucks." -- Mark Zuckerberg, 2004 personal correspondence documented in https://www.theregister.com/2010/05/14/facebook_trust_dumb/ https://www.theregister.com/2010/05/14/facebook_trust_dumb/
- SchemaLoad 1y ago>Meta Ray-Ban Display glasses are designed to help you look up and stay present. With a quick glance at the in-lens display, you can accomplish everyday tasks—like checking messages, previewing photos, and collaborating with visual Meta AI prompts Can you imagine trying to talk to someone face to face, but they are giving you a blank stare as random notifications and tiktok videos are being beamed inbetween their eyeballs and you. Meta seems like one of the few large tech companies where if the whole company vanished, the world would be purely a better place.
- drdaeman 1y ago> Can you imagine trying to talk to someone face to face, but they are giving you a blank stare as random notifications and tiktok videos are being beamed inbetween their eyeballs and you. They wouldn't do this if the conversation is important to them. Not as much as one would glance on a smartwatch when they get a chirp, which, I believe is perfectly socially acceptable in most business/casual situations. And if they do it's nothing new - it's a literal equivalent of talking to a person deep into their phone. Exact same audiovisual media consumption - just a different form factor and display technology. Or, in a pre-phone era, a newspaper. I don't think this technology introduces anything new to this issue.
- brandon272 1y agoIt's quite different. Both are rude. But in one case the person is looking at their phone, and in another case the person is basically looking directly at you but engaged with some other thing happening on their device, as if they are in some drug induced stupor or having a neurological episode.
- jkestner 1y agoThe visual equivalent of the etiquette breaches when Bluetooth earpieces became a thing.
- heavyset_go 1y agoThe glasses close the attention loop faster, and the brain really, really likes quick stimuli -> dopamine release loops. The faster it happens, the more addictive it is. It's the difference between oral administration of drugs and IVing them directly into one's veins.
- boxerab 1y agoI continue to be amazed by people rushing to give away even more of their personal data to a large corporation, especially one with Meta's privacy-challenged history.
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- neilv 1y agoWhat do people think about the (almost hidden) cameras in glasses? With traditional cameras, feature phones, and smartphones, if someone wanted to be creepy with the camera, they'd have to point the device at someone, which tended to look exactly like they are using the camera. (IIUC, some countries even required a shutter sound, for anti-creepy reasons, when the pointing of the phone wasn't enough warning.) Now, the wearer of the glasses spy camera just has to look in the general direction that creepiness should be sprayed. The creepiness isn't even that of the wearer; it could also be that of the tech company. Is this going to end up another Google "Glassholes" situation, with the wearers shunned?
- Philpax 1y agoI'd be the first one to buy these if they weren't made by Meta. I've wanted a pair of smartglasses for a very long time, and these seem like the first viable pair in terms of capabilities - aside from the thickness, which I can live with. Unfortunately, Meta, and Zuckerberg, have been involved in far too much malfeasance. I just can't ethically justify buying a product from them again. I'm hoping that viable competitors become available, but it's going to be hard to compete with Meta's investment, especially on the HCI front.
- pm90 1y agoFwiw i don’t have a facebook/instagram account (have whatsapp) and am still able to use all functionality in my Meta Rayban glasses. I struggled with this question too. Unfortunately our current system doesn’t make it easy for startups to build this stuff at scale without being gobbled up (the FTC under Lina Khan seemed to want to change that but oh well) so Im resigned to using Big Tech products if they’re the only option.
- ryukoposting 1y agoIt's a tough needle to thread. I mentor a high school robotics team that's using a Quest 3S as odometry. You'd be astonished at how well a Quest keeps up while both spinning around and moving laterally at 12mph. Imagine an IMU that never, ever drifts no matter how much you whip it around. And you can just buy this thing from the local Best Buy! And it's cheap! And yet, Meta is squeezing every cent they can out of our attention spans, and knowingly tearing apart the fabric of our society in the process. Do I discourage the kids from doing amazing stuff with Meta's gadgets? I don't think so. They're not my kids. It's not really my place to be having those conversations with them.
- solid_fuel 1y ago> Fwiw i don’t have a facebook/instagram account (have whatsapp) and am still able to use all functionality in my Meta Rayban glasses. That was the promise when I originally bought the Quest 2, but a year later they forcibly tied those accounts to Meta accounts and through that, facebook accounts. Now I can't use my Quest 2 because it is locked into an account verification screen, demanding that I upload a photograph of my drivers license to access the games I already purchased from the quest store. Meta cannot be trusted.
- iammrpayments 1y agoI’m 99% sure that EMG band is collecting several biomarkers and sending them all to facebook headquarters, get ready to get mattress ads when your HRV goes down.
- jayd16 1y agoI was a bit disappointed to see it was a single display and no mention of AR. Even if it wasn't stereoscopic you could still have world locked visuals. But I realized this is a pretty clever move. Only allowing a fixed, inset screen really hides any issues with display field of view.
- jnaina 1y agoThis is beginning to mirror the evolution of the Smart Phone. The Apple Vision Pro is AR glasses at the Apple Newton evolutionary stage, an early smart PDA (Yes I'm the sucker that bought both at their respective launch, 3 decades apart). The Meta Ray-Ban Display is AR glasses at the Windows Mobile/Blackberry stage. Apple will likely swoop in and launch the final refined version of the AR glasses (thin, 8 hour battery, eye gaze control, retina based authentication, tethered to the iPhone, Apple AI, etc), when the tech is available at a decent price point for mainstream launch. And yes, being the unrepentant Apple FanBoi, will be buying the Apple iGlass at the launch.
- pm90 1y agoI really hope that Apple is working on this. It seems like they have at least some of the framework through the Vision; if they fire that team/abandom this software its gonna be a huge mistake.
- jnaina 1y agoApple really plays the long game. More than 10 years ago, on a now defunct website for AAPL investors, there was an Apple employee who inadvertently blurted out about how his work at Apple was related to researching saccades & micro-saccades, the small rapid eye movements of the eye, as it never stays completely still, even during “fixation". Apparently eye tracking must distinguish meaningful gaze from the natural jitters. I was thinking at that time, as an AAPL investor, that Apple seems to be wasting money on worthless R&D endeavors. It only became apparent to me, much later with the launch of the Apple Vision Pro, how his seminal research on saccades contributed to the design and realization of the AVP.
- cco 1y agoApple is very well positioned since they also sell you a super computer in your pocket. One of my biggest annoyances is the OS on the Ray Ban Metas. If they just served as dumb I/O they'd be an incredible product and everything else about them, e.g. battery life, weight etc, would be so much better.
- sho_hn 1y agoI'm not sure I'll ever get over my concerns about making people around me uncomfortable to ever don one myself, but I hear the non-display ones are breakthrough assistive devices for impaired folks and this one might be too with the captioning. I wonder how the etiquette will evolve for people with legitimate needs to use them in polite company.
- pm90 1y agoI do see them being recognized more and sometimes banned (eg i saw a video of a strip club stopping someone with those glasses from entering). But otherwise… meh? We already know everyone around us is carrying incredibly high powered cameras in their pockets.
- AvAn12 1y agoUse cases: 1: FPV "how-to" videos are marginally easier to make, though GoPro remains a thing... 2: Users get to look like the nerd emoji 3: The rest seems like creepy-spying-on-friends-or-strangers kinds of things. Any constructive suggestions? I'm willing to be enlightened...
- culopatin 1y agoI tried to record every day things with my action cam and I always feel like a weirdo with a box hanging off, I think these would help me not care about that as much,
- AvAn12 1y agoOut of curiosity, for what purpose? Do you go back and watch your videos of everyday things? Share them with friends? With photography (and most visual media) the secret seems to be to take many many photos, or draw many many pictures, or shoot tons of video, and then curate and edit meticulously to find just the very best parts. Do you really get much value out of recording lots of day to day video? Is this part of some kind of art project?
- culopatin 1y agoAt the surface they seem like I’m recording for my parents (we live very far from each other). Deep down I would like to get YouTube income eventually.
- AvAn12 1y agoJust use your phone or a vid camera normally so that your subjects can understand that you are making a video of them. Sneakiness sucks.
- gmueckl 1y ago4. On-foot navigation without having to glance down at the phone or watch 5. Being able to converse with friends in loud places (e.g. restaurants have become louder and louder over the years due to bad acoustic design)
- lolive 1y agoFight the future ! https://youtu.be/YJg02ivYzSs?si=nTLQO4G2OIPcMkwX https://youtu.be/YJg02ivYzSs?si=nTLQO4G2OIPcMkwX
- pm90 1y agoThis is very cool; It seems likely to be the next step in human computer interaction. I could see Meta (or someone else) adding cellular features and a small screen to the wristband and getting rid of a phone entirely.
- dagmx 1y agoTested has a hands on plus interview with Boz (their CTO) https://youtu.be/1jDorDsi9JM?si=O1_g9Z-rgGjyVER3 https://youtu.be/1jDorDsi9JM?si=O1_g9Z-rgGjyVER3
- pm90 1y agoSeems like Apple should get the wristband tech so people can type on their watches.
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- dskhatri 1y agoSomeone help me understand why the Ray-Ban branding? Meta should be able to make the frames themselves. Ray-Ban doesn't seem to be a strong enough brand that Meta couldn't go it solo and build a glasses brand themselves.
- avlbk 1y agoAt first I was shocked by the price, but now I just sort of want it. If they opened the OS it would be AMAZING.
- albert_e 1y agoIs anyone else seeing concerns about where this technology is heading -- (A) Are we going to consume food prepared by a human so incompetent that he needs Live AI to tell him what ingredient to put and how much ... and that too an AI so unreliable that it can't tell whether the bowl is empty, let alone what ingredients are in it.[1] In what world is this a sane marketing proposition? (B) Distracted driving due to smartphones is at least detectable -- how do we escape distracted driving because of smart glasses? When people eventually crash cars or walk into traffic or fall into pits -- no tech company will so much as acknowledge that the tech they are pushing so hard might have something to do with it. Who should take the lead on saying: wait a minute we need some common sense boundaries around this ... some ground rules around responsible use of technology. [1] Failed demo of Live AI - https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1968469616545452055 https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1968469616545452055
- enos_feedler 1y agoDont worry. The market decides what we want and we just wont go for it
- manco 1y ago> Are we going to consume food prepared by a human so incompetent that he needs Live AI to tell him what ingredient to put and how much Yes, I have cookbooks full of recipes I follow. > When people eventually crash cars or walk into traffic or fall into pits -- no tech company will so much as acknowledge that the tech they are pushing so hard might have something to do with it. Adults have agency and I expect them to be held accountable for their actions; not use technology as a scapegoat. If someone drives drunk it's not the alcohol at fault.
- ashu1461 1y agoIs it weird I went through the complete landing page and still did not get what actually the features are
- oldfuture 1y agohttps://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-promotes-stickers-for-secretly-recording-meta-ray-ban-video/ https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-promotes-stickers-for-sec... Why they shouldn't be allowed --- 1.The glasses have cameras and microphones capable of recording people nearby often without their knowledge (e.g. the recording indicator can be subtle or blocked, “GhostDot” stickers are being sold to block the LED indicator light so others won’t see when recording is happening) 2. As I remember Meta has changed its privacy policy so that voice recordings are stored in the cloud (up to one year) and “Hey Meta” voice-activation with camera may be enabled by default, meaning more frequent analysis of what the camera sees to train AI models. 3.The possibility that anytime someone might be recording you wearing glasses that look like ordinary sunglasses can create a chilling effect: people may feel uneasy, censor themselves, avoid public spaces, etc.
- TheDong 1y agoAs opposed to now? Everywhere you go in public, people are holding their phone up watching tiktok or such. There's no recording indicator on phones, they could be recording you. Heck, go to a tourist location, like a famous area of london or tokyo or new york, and there'll be dozens of wannabe influencers holding up gopros on selfie sticks. It's too late. It's already happening. If it has a chilling effect, we're already chilled.
- Octoth0rpe 1y ago> wannabe influencers holding up gopros on selfie sticks I think there's a huge difference in how one perceives these as a privacy/self-censoring risk. Yes, a bunch of tourists with their gopros might catch me in the background, but I think it's reasonable to assume that their intended target is themselves, and catching me in the background is incidental. If someone is recording with their glasses, basically by definition their target is not themselves (though perhaps a companion?), and it's more likely that I am their target.
- TheDong 1y agoHolding a phone in front of your face in public is so normalized at this point that targeted recording is not a matter of hardware, but of someone wanting to do it. As you point out, most influencer-types aren't aimed at you. That generalizes pretty well, with or without glasses, no one cares about recording you, other than incidentally as part of the background If someone does want to target recording you, i.e. you're a semi-famous idol or such, they'll just pretend to watch tiktoks on their phone and record without an indicator, right? At least the glasses have an indicator, unlike phones.
- ghm2199 1y agoZuckerberg's online actually quite slick @30 WPM. Brand concerns aside, its a good tech leap forward for this fidelity of communication using gestures(and costs will fall as apple, google, 3rd party get into this). You have to realize that there are only smart glasses in the market which are 1/2 way between smart and AR/VR and at the moment none have any AR/VR that are commercially at this price point or massively available like Orion. I still think the puck will make its usecase be more specialized and will be a hindrance to massive adoption, but things will get smaller and they have separated the power hungry screen made it way less power hungry as an interface goes and they will go after puck's size next. I have been reading the book called Apple in China and hardware is so hard. 30 hours of battery with wireless communication (I wonder if this is BLE 6.0 alone) between the EMG + Wave guide tech is not easy. This is the second long term bet by meta that is panning out, the first being investing in long horizon AI projects(pytorch and a bunch of AI models), though that org has had rough times it did yield something good.
- robin_reala 1y agoIt’s six hours battery, not thirty: with up to six hours of mixed-use battery life and up to 30 hours of battery life total thanks to the portable (and collapsible!) charging case
- ghm2199 1y agoI would also say several other less known software and data breakthroughs are probably going to also help this tech 1. A world wide localization map that can let the glasses SLAM system do useful things. 2. I believe the Puck runs on a custom OS. The glasses are probably on somekind of a real time Microcontroller driven thing(would be surprised if its much more than firmware, code wise) that needs to efficiently package sensor data and send it over BLE to the puck/wristband. I am not sure they have open sourced those two components. I hope they open source both of those for public good.
- cco 1y agoI understand the existential problem that Meta faces here, but those forces have created a worse product. As a Meta Ray Ban owner my biggest takeaway is that these glasses shouldn't have a CPU. They should be a dumb camera, mic, and speakers for my phone. Interacting with Gemini on my phone would be the ideal product here, but of course that means Meta doesn't reap any of the data rewards. So of course, since they don't make the phone in your pocket, they're strapping a device to your head and everyone pays the price of a big battery, CPU, and RAM in a sunglass form factor. They're a remarkable product, but again, "dumb" glasses that just serve the I/O directly to your phone would be an incredible product. I wish Google or someone else would make them.
- sidcool 1y agoAmazingly, I agree with you. But the average HN user does not understand the market and regular users' demands. It's been repeatedly demonstrated in the past too.
- chrischen 1y agoThere’s a Chinese AI glasses brands (Solos) that integrates with ChatGPT and I’m wondering if simply being paired with a better AI model will make it significantly more useful. One thing Meta seems to be completely ignoring up until now is Asians and Asian markets (lack of low bridge fit models, lack of translation features for any Asian languages despite ChatGPT being state of the art at it).
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- Octoth0rpe 1y agoIt's hard to imagine using these for more than 30 minutes in my day. If I'm at work, whatever these can display I'd rather have on my monitor. When I'm socializing, I wouldn't want random popups or notifications, and I certainly wouldn't want whoever I was with to be looking at them either. So that leaves some pretty narrow use cases such as the cooking example in meta's demo, which might be interesting if it actually works well (the demo did not inspire confidence). So I'd end up using this maybe 30 minutes, every 3 or 4 days? Most of the time I know what I'm doing with my ingredients and don't particularly need AI assistance to combine noodles w/ sauce or whatever I'm doing. That's a very, very hard sell.
- thrownawayohman 1y agoThe best part of this tech is the being recorded by random strangers without you noticing. I can’t wait to learn about who and what gets access to this data. Let’s go surveillance state!
- Slow_Hand 1y agoWhat is it with the Meta site disabling the back button on the browser? I can understand why apps like Instagram - when used in the browser - wouldn't be compatible. But this product release page? What's going on here? Why?
- chupchap 1y agoI've been using the RayBan Meta glasses for a while now, and the main reason I like them is because they do not have a display (https://balanarayan.com/2024/12/31/ray-ban-meta-long-term-review/ https://balanarayan.com/2024/12/31/ray-ban-meta-long-term-re...). Another screen to glare at is the last thing I need, but I can imagine there are people who want one of this. I use them for taking videos when I'm out and for listening to music without putting on headphones or earphones. While it is not the best at anything, it is definitely capable of doing a lot of things well enough and that is what matters a lot of times.
- divan 1y agoSame, but I would love to have map navigation displayed occasionally. I use bicycle in the city a lot and so many times I had to pull the phone (+unlock with face ID) while cycling, just to see the directions, and it's both frustrating and dangerous.
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- sharkjacobs 1y agoI like the look of the Oakleys better than the Raybans. I get why they want to make their glasses look like Rayban Wayfarers, because they're the most neutral inconspicuous glasses frame style of the last 25 years, but, IMO, they missed the mark pretty bad, and they look pretty conspicuous and pretty bad. You won't blend in wearing the Oakleys, but they look like what they are, which is an insane mirrorshades cyberpunk HUD, and if the wearer can own that they could actually look kind of sick. Of course, I'm technically underwhelmed and unimpressed by what I've seen of the actual technology, but that's hardly the most important thing.
- bitwize 1y agoCan I hack it? Can I load whatever OS and software I wish to run on it? No? Then no thank you.
- solid_fuel 1y agoMeta locked two games I already paid for - Blade & Sorcery VR and Beat Saber - behind account verification on the Quest 2. I already bought both of these, played them for a while, but now it won't let me use the headset without "verifying" my facebook account by sending them a photograph of my drivers license. Neither of these games are online, neither allow me to interact with other users in any way. I will never buy a Meta product again, the brand reputation is lower than dirt to me. Even ignoring all the other awful things Meta does, they have no reason to require a verified account to play two local-only games that I already paid for. No matter how cool glasses like these may look, I have no trust that the brand will not suddenly demand more money or information from me to continue using a product I have already purchased.
- whatsupdog 1y agoAgree. And the constant spying doesn't help either. Who wants an always online meta controlled camera/microphone in their bedroom all the time?
- ryandrake 1y agoI'm never going to update a photo government ID to some company just to use an app. What kind of a bonkers world are we living in? Totally ridiculous. No app is worth this.
- mikae1 1y agoMost new accounts seem to require a face scan too (finally they're true to their name?). I recently needed to get a Facebook account and was not able to use it without providing the scan. Luckily I was able to do an AI face swap, but far from everyone is that savvy.
- a5c11 1y agoInteresting. Did you swap your face on a computer, and pointed the smartphone camera on the monitor?
- pciexpgpu 1y agoMeta really desperately wants to own a platform so they can avoid paying the Apple tax and the Google tax and directly plumb a vision to ads pipeline. Just imagine the dollars in front of those glasses… if it only darned worked. I really hope they don’t though because it’s beyond dystopian to own such a billboard company with a sick twist.
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- motorest 1y ago> Why do you lie? Clearly this is not the case if you look at the user's submission and comment history Do you think someone's comment history link is an obscure secret no one can access? > Clearly this is not the case (..) Oh really? Please explain in your own words why you believe this is not the case.
- masterjack 1y ago> Please explain in your own words why you believe this is not the case. It wasn’t 2023: Last post 11 months ago, last comment 8 months ago, which is a typical level of lurking
- cowthulhu 1y agoIt’s unclear to me what you are even accusing them of, could you clarify?
- jibe 1y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42499986 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42499986
- tomhow 1y agoPlease don't do this. It's unfair on people who are commenting authentically, which almost everyone turns out to be when we dig into the data. The guidelines ask: Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45284046 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45284046 and marked it off topic.
- blondie9x 1y agoGoogle Glass again ...
- mrcwinn 1y agoReally excited about these types of products. Would never trust anything with Meta, but I appreciate them trying to contribute a product. Unfortunately, it’s a dead end. Mark’s always regretted missing mobile - and thus being the app rather than the platform - and here it’s no different.
- nothrowaways 1y agoWhat are the privacy guarantees for passerbys (non-wearers).
- mdhb 1y agoZero… you can and will be filmed without your knowledge or consent and your private conversations will be used to train ever more invasive AI systems and profiles of you will be sold to advertisers and governments all over the world. I strongly recommend making owners of these things feel incredibly unsafe and uncomfortable in social situations. I wouldn’t hesitate to break a pair when I get the opportunity personally.
- numpad0 1y agoYou can sue the wearers for reparations and to work with Meta to delete your data, perhaps
- psyclobe 1y agoI would give up some privacy in order to get some cool future tech; honestly I’m so in love with sci fi that I’m pretty excited to be fully connected to my own ai 24/7 like how iron man did it.
- _ZeD_ 1y agoThe very first thing I though was: "yeah, they're gonna shovel advertising directly into my retina"
- qwerty_clicks 1y agoI can’t believe they believe this is what people want. Why isn’t Zuckerberg doing the demo in the metaverse? Ha
- cryptozeus 1y ago$799 for this ?
- rashidae 1y agoI got so excited watching these videos and going through the product page. I completely ignored the price tag without putting any resistance and I thought to myself: I'VE GOT TO HAVE THIS! Not only that... I started to think about ways I could use this!! I pictured myself using them... I visualized it all, and then remembered when I felt this way when the Ipod was released, and then again, when the first Pebble watch was launched or maybe even, the first kindle. Although there's going to be some strong competition in the next 1-2 years with Apple, as we all know, the "thin phone" is nothing about the phone, and all about their pathway towards wearables... I must have this. This is a game changer. WOW!
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- rashidae 1y agowho ever's downvoting my comment... You're literally trying to shut up the positive review due to your lack of empathy? WTF? This is my preference, I'm an expert in tech and I don't hold your negative views... Stop trying to control the narrative.
- Tepix 1y agoYou seem to be based in Europe. Do you not realize that using these glasses in public will violate the GDPR, making this gadget useless?
- withinrafael 1y agoI have the previous generation Meta Ray-Ban glasses and they're great, but I wish I could use the underlying tech for... something more useful. It has no API, no extensibility options, nada. I--and my friends--don't use Messenger, Facebook, etc. I fear it'll be the same w/ the Ray-Ban Display, so I doubt I will be upgrading. Such a shame.
- sksum 1y agothey demoed a spotify widget; will there be an sdk?
- rossant 1y agoNot a big fan of Meta but got to admit the tech is interesting. Can't wait to see the competition on this market.
- nicman23 1y agoif there is a custom os for these i d buy them. i am not running meta os
- senectus1 1y agogods the frames are always so thick and ugly...
- gregwebs 1y agoIs there a way to just use this as a computer monitor? That’s what the Viture glasses are and it’s great to have a portable monitor that focuses at a longer distance.
- Giorgi 1y agoThey keep pushing this useless augmented reality to the sunglasses sometimes without sometimes with vr, ai, whatever new hype is there, it all failed, this one will fail too, there simply is no use.
- tempodox 1y agoHow does anybody see anything if they ban rays?
- pilooch 1y agoI like the glasses path, well I do wear glasses, but some elements remain unclear to me: - are prescription glasses available for display ? I guess not ? - these glasses need to be online, I guess they do so with a phone and bluetooth connection nearby ? So that's the glasses, the band and the phone, oh and the glasses case, seems a lot to carry. - pedestrian navigation seems to be rolled out per city, so it's not like having gmaps available right out of the box.
- regnerba 1y agoI won’t buy another Meta device. Bought the Quest 3 and now they keep installing games and apps on the device that I cannot remove to promote things. I don’t want any of that. Will most likely be replacing it with the Valve Deckard/Frame device as soon as possible.
- luis_cho 1y agoMeta is the second last company I trust to put an wearable on my face.
- _zoltan_ 1y agoIncredibly cool!
- victorbjorklund 1y agoI saw a review on these glasses on YouTube end for the first time I feel like: Okay now we're actually approaching something interesting. This is the first point where I feel like there is some glasses that I actually would want to wear almost. I probably still won't buy these because it's still the first generation of these types of glasses but I think it's promising in the sense that you know in a few years we probably will have some things that are really really good.
- grigy 1y agoIt's actually the 2rd generation now, or even 3rd for the Ray-Ban Meta (Gen 2). First generation was Ray-Ban Stories.
- victorbjorklund 1y agoI know. Meant 1st gen with display.
- 8f2ab37a-ed6c 1y agoWhat's with the trend in photography with lighting the subject's face in chunks? I know they're trying to drive your attention towards the wrist and the eyeglasses, but having half the face be blocked out by a flag or masked in post is super distracting.
- laidoffamazon 1y agoIm sold, but it appears there isn’t a single place in my major metro of 7 million that will offer in store demo and purchase? Do they not want my money?!
- OhMeadhbh 1y agoSeems a bit "privacy eroding." Like Google Glass, but chonkeyer.
- jamescontrol 1y agoNope. I like the idea, but that is just still way too bulky, and just the fact that this is meta makes me want to steer clear.
- abbycurtis33 1y agoWhether you like Meta or not, the success of their glasses line means Apple and other companies will respond.
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- wigster 1y agoReally needs the cigar and greasepaint mustache
- doublewhy 1y agoAnyone using Meta Ray-Bans should be aware that your data is collected and used for AI training. There is no opt-out unless you're from EU. Also, the old Meta View companion app one day was renamed into the Meta AI app and started to provide ChatGPT like functionality. 1) “Meta AI with camera use is always enabled on your glasses unless you turn off ‘Hey Meta", which basically makes glasses defunct. 2) “voice transcripts and stored audio recordings are otherwise stored for up to one year to help improve Meta’s products.” [1] https://www.theverge.com/news/658602/meta-ray-ban-privacy-policy-ai-training-voice-recordings https://www.theverge.com/news/658602/meta-ray-ban-privacy-po...
- xandrius 1y agoIncredibile how people can still discuss the pure tech when it's tainted with Meta's touch. How much can they do before some people think twice? Or are they all employees?
- whimsicalism 1y agoi wonder if the CCPA applies here. too bad… I have trouble imagining they wouldn’t get enough data by just being opt-in by default like chatgpt.
- tedmiston 1y agoCCPA/CPRA provide opt out of data sharing for (ad) sales to third-party companies, but those were passed before the gAI boom. I imagine an analogue is already in motion for AI training opt-out in CA, but those two don't address model training. But ~782 million ChatGPT users vs a few million pairs of glasses.
- amelius 1y agoAlready banned (no pun intended) in many places because of the intrusive camera.
- guerrilla 1y agoI'm sorry but these all look terrible still. Ya'll look like dorks walking around on with them on. It's such a privacy invasion too. So many people are just going to get punched in the face, literally.
- m4tthumphrey 1y ago> Meta Ray-Ban Display is part of our vision to build the next computing platform that puts people at the center so they can be more present, connected, and empowered in the world. Err what? How do glasses that let you procrastinate when physically connecting to people help that?! Also the video demo has no sound and one of the examples genuinely looked like the wearer was having a text a convo with someone whilst sat across from people at dinner…
- jonplackett 1y ago> designed to help you look up and stay present. With a quick glance at the in-lens display Right… so having notifications in your face ALL DAY is going to _help_ you stay connected to the real world.
- jonplackett 1y agoI don’t see how this is any more socially acceptable than walking around with your camera on filming everyone all the time. The fact that it’s FB that can see through your eyes doesn’t make this any better.
- 1gn15 1y agoIt'll become as socially acceptable as installing a dashcam on your car. Or having a camera on your motorcycle helmet.
- jonplackett 1y agoI don’t think so. You’re just passing by people with your dash cam. And your dash cam does not send data to Facebook
- XCSme 1y agoDidn't Google Glass do the exact same thing and failed? Not because of the technology issues, but social issues. People nowadays want to disconnect from technology more, not to have it even closer.
- Kwpolska 1y agoGoogle Glass launched too early, when people cared more about privacy.
- 946789987649 1y agoTheir problem was that they didn't look like normal sunglasses, so people were immediately intrigued/suspicious of them. Although these have the little light if you're recording, the amount of instagram videos where creators are using these and the random people they're directly talking to don't notice, should tell you all. The rise of smart accessories (especially watches) should tell you that a lot of people don't want to disconnect
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- alex1138 1y agoBet you GG though actually treated your PII with respect For all my numerous complaints about Google
- mcdonje 1y agoGoogle Glass looked unusual and was nerd-coded. Social norms are extremely strong. The only way something that looks like Google Glass would take off is if the tech is established with the well-to-do having elegant devices, and then something like Google Glass becomes working-class-coded.
- epolanski 1y agoI really like the product, but the fact it's tied to having a meta account makes it a no go for me, won't test it.
- drakonka 1y agoThe evolution of smart glasses has totally passed me by since the Google Glass thing. Whenever I heard about them I just thought they were still in the "gimmick" stage. But last week I heard about Meta glasses for the first time and realized that people actually seem to use them, in a practical way? If these things are now to the point of realistic adoption, I'd be interested in getting a pair, specifically to record and get on demand info/maps/AI integration maybe on runs, hikes, and other adventure/exploration-type settings... and recording my cats... But now a whole can of questions is opened: - What products are developed enough this area that are worth choosing between? - Don't trust meta due to privacy and data exploitation concerns. Are any other products on the same level in terms of hardware + software quality, or is it just going to have to be a compromise (or waiting until something else is good enough?) - Responsiveness/UX/photo/video quality etc... Part of me kind of wishes I was still ignorant to the advancements of these so I could keep ignoring them as a gimmick and not be tempted to dive into researching the product category...
- cedws 1y agoAs many others have said, I also have no interest in buying a Meta device, but I’m glad that they’re at least pushing this space forward and hopefully other companies will start doing more R&D. I had an Oculus CV1 in 2019 but sold it when it became mandatory to migrate to a Meta account.
- holografix 1y agoCan’t wait to see Apple’s response. Only reason I’m not buying one of these September 30th is I know apple will release something better. Well that and it being a meta product.
- Piraty 1y agoso, everybody wearing this in europe will hand out 'may i take photographs of you or your property'-forms + 'do you agree to Facebook's TOS, as your photographs will be uploaded to and processed by them'-forms prior to using this in public? just like owners of all the rolling surveillance stations (some still call them EV) do? spy state actor's wet dream comes even more true with this, even more than with already overly de-privaciced public spaces.
- wpm 1y agoI was thinking today that I basically am going to have to start wearing one of those IR face blocker things around just to stop my visiage ending up in some god forsaken Meta server somewhere. My god, how fucking grim our future looks. I miss when tech was fun.
- lm28469 1y ago> everybody wearing this in europe The whole 17 nerds who will buy this toy will have to do that yes
- jmull 1y ago> …based on data from nearly 200,000 consenting research participants… They had to clarify it was “consenting” since it’s the opposite of their normal default. (You also have to wonder how consensual it really was.)
- fl7305 1y agoIt made me want to go back and check their other press releases to see where they did not include the "consenting" part.
- weberer 1y agoPrivacy and vendor lock-in concerns aside, these glasses are ugly. They look like generic nerd stereotype glasses from an 80's movie.
- maxehmookau 1y agoI don't think I can state this hard enough, but there is no tech cool enough that would make me comfortable allowing meta to see through my eyes. Just never in a million years.
- seydor 1y agoI wonder if they plan to use the glasses as some rudimentary EEG device to read intent or emotions
- thomasfl 1y agoImagine talking to a "glasshole" for the first time. The "glasshole" is being able to do facial recognition while talking to you, and see a ton if info about you before you've been able to introduce yourself. What could possibly go wrong?
- kypro 1y agoSome very negative comments here... Regardless of personal thoughts about Meta and AR tech, it's undeniable that these are interesting and have some cool tech. The live captioning with directional audio seems like it could be a huge win for people who are hard of hearing, especially given the display is invisible so is much more natural to use in real life than say a smart phone or a VR headset with passthrough. Another thing that's cool is the neural band. It looks like it's a more robust and flexible implementation of what Apple is doing with hand tracking. But generally the idea that you can interact with the glasses silently with your hands to your side while wearing what effectively looks like a normal pair of glasses is incredible. I think this this is the first time we've seen an implementation of AR in which a large group of people could see value in it. Also the fact Meta was first to market with a solid implementation of AR and not Apple or Google is also notable. I think I would have doubted their ability to pull something like this off a few years ago.
- shade 1y agoYeah, I've been deaf for over 40 years now and captioning glasses are something that I've wanted ever since I was a kid. I'm not a particularly big fan of Meta and I have some serious reservations around privacy that need to be satisfied, but at the same time it's really exciting to see this going from "pie in the sky thing I dreamed about having when I was ten" to "actual existing product." There's a few other companies/startups working on this too, but a lot of the glasses they're producing are very ugly. There's a couple that didn't look bad, but from what I'm seeing Meta's are a combination of the best-looking ones and best display so far, and I'll be very curious to see the reviews.
- nakedrobot2 1y ago"Meta Ray-Ban Display glasses are designed to help you look up and stay present. With a quick glance at the in-lens display, you can accomplish everyday tasks—like checking messages, previewing photos, and collaborating with visual Meta AI prompts — all without needing to pull out your phone. It’s technology that keeps you tuned in to the world around you, not distracted from it." WHAT IN THE HOLY FUCK DID I JUST READ
- rhetocj23 1y ago"Meta Ray-Ban Display glasses are designed to help you look up and stay present." Didnt that stupid AI pin have the same tagline?
- liendolucas 1y agoMaybe we should really think twice when purchasing new amazing gadgets. It can be this, a drone, a phone or anything that comes to your mind. The default has become to get consumers locked in as much as possible, be for your data or money exploitation or both (check the Slack thread for a non the non-profit HackClub). If you pay 800 dollars for this device and a year after they ask you for your driver's license (as for the top comment). Are you willing to waste those 800 dollars you payed for it or will you upload any sensitive docs demanded from them? Or if they decide to phase it out early because there is no real adoption, will you get your money back? Will they make the device open so it can still be used by their "owners"? So the way I see it: you give big money to already super rich companies. You also give them your data. You are forced to comply their rules and in even in any of those cases when they decide you shouldn't use it anymore they deprecate it and keep the device close. No, thanks. The bottom line is this: do extensive research before making a single penny leave your wallet to try to minimize getting fucked up as much as you can. We should educate as many people surrounding us as possible so they can make good or informed purchase decisions as well. This should also be taught to children so from an early age they can understand very well that privacy and data has proven to be extremely profitable to virtually any company out there.
- xutopia 1y agoMeta for a company meant to connect people is doing its darnest to reel us into a virtual world rather than the real one. Imagine seeing everyone with glasses with suspicion because you don’t know if they’re filming you, reading notifications or actually conversing with you.
- pnt12 1y agoCool tech, wrong company. The tech is impressive, but people are already getting concerned about excessive screen time via zombie doomscrolling. Moving it from the pocket to literally in people's face will only worsen it. And by Meta of all companies, with concerning privacy practices and of course motivated to hold your attention to serve you more ads.
- 88j88 1y agoSmart glasses featuring cameras, a control bracelet, and in-lens displays represent significant technological progress with particularly valuable applications for people with disabilities. The non screen version could be transformative for blind users, while the display equipped model offers great potential for the deaf community. However, there's a notable double standard in social acceptance: while these devices are welcomed when serving accessibility needs, they face resistance when used recreationally, reflecting society's discomfort with wearable recording technology in casual social settings.
- olibhel 1y agoWhy does this read like AI slop?
- sundar_p 1y agoI can't wait to read the privacy policy. A reminder, users cannot opt out of current Meta Ray Bans data recording/storage/training if you actually want to use them as smart glasses.
- tsoukase 1y agoSuggestion: do not use this device in a neurological clinic or they think you suffer from epileptic absence seizure (loss of contact, gaze fixation for a few secs)
- user1999919 1y agoThe 'demo' for ar is always over promising. I know The fidelity does not actually look like that. Apart of me believes the artistic license gets carried away with itself, because to begin with, you cannot really show what it 'looks like' The iphone for instance was easy. Steve held up a hand held screen. Ar is different, you can't really show what the lens 'sees' until its right up in your face. so you just make it up. In doing so you REALLY really really make it up.
- user1999919 1y agoGen Z stare intensifies
- probablypower 1y agoThe penultimate final frontier, adverts directly in front of your eyeballs 24/7, and tracking not just your position but your attention. Only step beyond this is neural implants putting purchasing decisions directly into your grey matter.
- rkomorn 1y agoMaybe the next step of the business plan is to sell blue (or green) screen shirts to individuals on which AR glasses can display targeted advertising that only you see (eg: everyone you see in those shirts is wearing Nike gear, but everyone I see is wearing Ralph Lauren because I am fancy). Then everyone whose shirt is used to display ads can get revenue-share.
- tokai 1y agoWouldn't these be illegal to wear while driving/riding in most of the world?
- robofanatic 1y agoThese glasses look exactly like my grandpa used to wear back in 1980s
- bilsbie 1y agoI just decided I’m buying this just for the live AI. Assuming they fix the issues. I’d use it for so many things. Cooking, repairs, maybe even motivating me to do yard work? A full time AI assistant is just such a crazy sci fi idea.
- bilsbie 1y agoAny chance someone could root this and run open source software connected to user controlled AI? I love the product but hate all the privacy issues and just not being in control of such an intimate device.
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- bloomingeek 1y agoI heard an article on NPR, which the interviewed one said the world was now ready for this technology. He said he thinks the "glasshole" opinion of most people has most likely passed. I freely admit, the price and the attitude was what stopped me from getting a pair back then. Now I won't hesitate, although the in-lens display is fantastically intriguing, I'm wondering about safety concerns like: walking down the sidewalk or crossing a street, at the wheel of a car(!), work related issues, etc. Gee, I guess I am hesitating! It will be interesting to see a study on how these glasses change our brains as it deals with this new paradigm.
- yalogin 1y agoThe glass hole term came up because of the price of the device. The conversation should shift to privacy and security now that it has become accessible to everyone, and it’s a really important and urgent conversation
- bloomingeek 1y agoThis is what Google said and was my understanding: glasshole (plural glassholes) (derogatory, slang) A person who wears spectacle frames equipped with PDAs (especially with cameras) that display into the user's eyes, and who acts like a jerk or films inappropriately. [from 2013]
- boogieknite 1y agoid be surprised if my opinion is a common one, but one thing i prefer in ar glasses over phones is that i can take it off put glasses on, do what i want to do, then take them off. more like a laptop or tablet (or my ps4 jfc) where there is just enough friction to keep it from being overly compulsive i wonder if any major ar product will embrace that people want to only wear glasses for tasks and want to take them off, or if theyre all going to push toward something one always wears like meta seems to. most successful tech products arent for constant use
- asadotzler 1y agoAR glasses, at their best in the medium term, will be closer to your smartwatch than your phone, and probably closer to your car's HUD than your smartwatch.
- nirav72 1y agoThe specs indicate 6 hours of battery life. Not really something you can use all day.
- linuxftw 1y agoThere's a lot of hate for Meta in here. They are actually innovating unique new products here. I don't know if they will be commercially successful, but they at least look interesting.
- waffletower 1y agoThe Neural Band has the potential to be an amazing musical instrument. Would be interesting to see API support for the device.
- 999900000999 1y agoJust a thought experiment, if I interview at Meta can I use these glasses ? "I ABSOLUTELY love your mission, and I envision everyone wearing these! It's cool if I use them during the interview, I feel this will help me understand the end user experience."
- unsupp0rted 1y agoThere's decorum. You can wear the glasses, but it doesn't mean you should be recording confidential meetings, anymore than you should be recording your partner during an argument. Just because your iPhone has a video function doesn't mean it has to be on all the time.
- 999900000999 1y agoCorrect, but isn't the entire point of these glasses to make life easier. Of course I would ask for permission, and I'm 99% sure they would say no, but what if I'm actually interviewing for the AR team ? What better way to embrace the product than to use it ?
- unsupp0rted 1y ago> What better way to embrace the product than to use it ? The manufacturer of a blender doesn't want you blending your tv remote or your hamster. Just because you're using the product doesn't mean it's desired usage.
- 999900000999 1y agoThe tech demo is literally a guy trying to cook with these. Presumably a chief could use AR in the future to cook better. Why wouldn't a programer? And by extension, an interview should show how you'd behave at work. Your right by the way, but what if the future is AR all the time ?
- 1gn15 1y agoAnd just to add on, if someone replies "but you can see if someone is video recording": not audio recording. That one is completely invisible.
- whimsicalism 1y agoNot surprised at this point at the negativity here anymore, but this looks like really cool technology - especially the wristband. The speed at which people are typing in the demos… I think it is awesome to see a proliferation in new ways of talking to computers. also: looking for a good discussion forum where people are interested in technological advancement
- redbell 1y ago> Today at Connect, Mark Zuckerberg debuted the next exciting evolution of AI glasses.. Why this wasn't written as: "Meta debuted the next.."? You know what?! I have always felt that Meta is owned, managed, and totally controlled by Zuck alone! No board members and no investors. I have been following Zuck in his Metaverse journey and more specifically, in his interviews like the one with The Verge and he is always speaking with this tone: "This is how I see it", "My vision is..", "I plan to make it this way..", like he is the only employee in his company. If it was Apple that released this product, we would read something like: "Cupertino: Apple debuted the next exciting.." which reflects the vision, strategy, and innovation made by the company as whole and not a single person. I don't recall that Steve Jobs had behaved like this even in his prime time.
- foodevl 1y agoZuck owns 13% of Meta shares and 61% of the voting power Jensen Huang owns 3.8% of Nvidia and 3.8% of the voting power Tim Cook owns 0.021% of Apple and 0.021% of the voting power Previously, Steve Jobs owned 0.6% of Apple and 0.6% of the voting power So yeah, there's a structural difference here and Meta is much closer to being owned, managed, and controlled by Zuck alone
- suyash 1y agoHow long does the recording last and is there a developers SDK?
- maherbeg 1y agoThese would be great for outdoor running to keep tabs on your pace, HR, time etc. Paired with the new airpods 3, you could be phone free and watch free.
- Bjorkbat 1y agoMy thoughts as I reconcile my conflicting feelings on this. I think it should be objectively cool that Meta has finally managed to come out with a pair of smart glasses that come incredibly close to being a practical wearable. The thing is, it's honestly hard to imagine doing anything cool with them. I think this has less to do with hardware limitations and more to do with vendor restrictions. I think Meta is fundamentally incapable of making anything cool. Hence why they had to partner with Ray-Ban to make these glasses rather than making their own. I think Meta's failure to realize their version of the metaverse had to do with their inability to recognize coolness and taste as much as anything else. I think any and all apps Meta ships with these glasses are cursed to be a mediocre experience. I think Apple could do a better job but at the end of the day I think the most interesting (not necessarily best) would be ones with the most developer freedom.
- mettamage 1y agoI think it's sort of important to remember scifi student films like this [1]. Just to remember that, it seems that this is where we're going towards to. And it freaks me out a little. Note, not the end though. That's more Neuralink. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK_cdkpazjI&ab_channel=TheCGBros https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK_cdkpazjI&ab_channel=TheCG...
- aeturnum 1y agoThere's also Hyper-Reality from a few years back: http://hyper-reality.co/ http://hyper-reality.co/
- QuantumNoodle 1y agoWhat implications does this have to recording conversation you have with others? I for example live in a state where both parties need to give consent.
- staplers 1y agolive in a state where both parties need to give consent Meta donated a lot of money to the current administration. Confer what you will.
- jessepasley 1y agoShoving people wearing these into lockers is completely legal, btw.
- xunil2ycom 1y agoNow people can text and drive while appearing to attend to the road.
- mvdtnz 1y agoI don't believe I've ever seen a Hacker News thread astroturfed this hard behaviour. Interesting stuff.
- hackpert 1y agoO