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DonHopkins
3d ago
The frontier AI companies may be fascist, but at least the training runs on time.
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DonHopkins
3d ago
Major dang: "I advise that this thread be shut down at once." Captain tomhow: "But everybody's having such a good time." Major dang: "Yes, much too good a time. The discussion is to be closed." Captain tom
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DonHopkins
4d ago
> I would say Scheme is programming because it's literally a Lisp dialect, and Lisp is still used so.. yeah. Snap! is literally a Scheme dialect. So by your own definition, Snap! is a "real" programming language. I'm
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4d ago
You keep conspicuously avoiding answering my question about your definition of "_really_ programming", because it paints you into a corner and proves you are wrong, and you don't want to admit it. >I still do not understan
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4d ago
> but how many are actually doing AI programming in Snap? Remember, I am still waiting for your definition of what "_really_ programming" is, that classifies Scheme as "real" programming language, but not Snap!. Clue:
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4d ago
Then tell me what my job is, and what I learned in college? You seem to be sure you know.
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4d ago
> It's not _really_ programming You're dead wrong. Prove it. Explain what you mean. Give us your definition of what _really_ programming is, and prove that Scheme, Python, and JavaScript are _really_ programming by that definit
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4d ago
As I explained quite clearly, with examples and links, you're not arguing in good faith. Not about Snap!, and not about Musk either. The pattern is quite clear. If you were, you would have looked at the links to evidence I gave you, an
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4d ago
Set showdead=true and you can see his fanatical arguments in defense of Musk's Nazi salutes, and attacks on other people who disagreed with him, which rightly got his multiple comments flagged dead. His evidence-free Nazi-salute-defend
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5d ago
> like almost as if the ecosystem simply serves to show off Snap and thus misses the mark? No, I think you're the one missing the mark. And even if it shows off Snap! while teaching computer science, and students have something tang
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5d ago
Speaking of cheaters: John Waters described how Divine would smuggle marijuana in her artificial vagina, which she would check in her luggage at the top. Once they found that, they'd decide they didn't need to search any more, wit
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5d ago
You always mistake downvoters for cunts. Maybe they're just "donwvoting" your analysis or spelling...
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5d ago
"relevant to our jobs"? Speak for yourself and your own job. Maybe you should just get a better job that lets you use your knowledge, unless you're not qualified because you cheated your way through college and never actually
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5d ago
Check out Cynthia Solomon's underappreciated treasure trove of videos about Logo, including Seymour Papert, Marvin Minsky, Margaret Minsky, David Levitt, and others: https://www.youtube.com/@cynthiaso/videos http
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5d ago
Not exactly, but true insofar as SVG and PDF files are basically PostScript programs with the code and logic stripped out, and effective drawing commands left in (or "distilled out"), which is that they merely represent the graphi
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5d ago
Lars Brinkhoff suggests that this thread comp.lang.logo with Brian Harvey and Leigh Klotz is required reading: https://escholarship.org/uc/item/1623m1p3 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3675572
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5d ago
Here is the source code to LLogo in MACLISP, which I stashed from the MIT-AI ITS system. It's a fascinating historical document, 12,480 lines of beautiful practical lisp code, defining where the rubber meets the road, with drivers for
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5d ago
Logo Adventure for C64 Terrapin Logo https://medium.com/@donhopkins/logo-adventure-for-c64-terrap... >When I was 17, Terrapin published my first commercial code on their C64 Logo utilities disk: a Logo Adventure pro
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5d ago
Fair that your path worked differently for you. But "no connection to the real world" is hard to sustain once you look at what people actually build with Snap!/Scratch. The ecosystem is full of bridges to physical stuff: Came
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5d ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38016554 [...] I'm also a huge fan of Snap!, which has all the advantages of Logo (Lisp without parenthesis) and Scratch / eToys / Squeak / App Inventor family of blo
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5d ago
Actually there is a large historical overlap between the two communities -- warm, collaborative, always giving credit where due. Different goals, lots of feedback both ways. Jens Mönig was on the Scratch Team (invited by Mitch Resnick). BYO
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5d ago
Mary Shelley and I fully support Roko's Basilisk, as long as it restricts itself to only making Roko's life miserable for making it up: Roko Mijic is a right wing "tradhumanist" misogynistic sexually harassing racist oli
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6d ago
The only thing that could possibly save Java on the desktop would require Oracle not owning it.
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6d ago
The comment I pointed you at answers all of this, but you haven't commented on that, so here it is line by line. >Spore has some 3D modeling tools The tools are the least interesting part. The mechanism has a name: Maxis called it
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6d ago
Are they Apple Maps Bad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVq1wgIN62E
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7d ago
See my other comment here -- I even made a prediction! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49636721
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7d ago
I love this, because decay implies a story, evidence of somebody else's specific failure, which procgen can't fake. It's not just clever, it's brilliant! Minecraft's procgen villages and mines are oatmeal by compari
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7d ago
There's a fundamental difference between procedurally generated worlds and how Spore actually works. The creatures, vehicles, and buildings weren't generated -- they were created by other players and exchanged asynchronously, then
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>Claude Shannon once told me that as a kid, he remembered being stuck on a jigsaw puzzle. His brother, who was passing by, said to him: “You know: I could tell you something.” >That’s all his brother said. >Yet that was enough hint
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8d ago
Yeah, because Musk might kill my family with DOGE.
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