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- SoloLady 10y agoWill the AirPods be acceptable for use while on airline flights since airlines prohibit the use of WiFi devices?
- romanovcode 10y agoStill no MacBook. What a shame.
- dijit 10y agoAgreed, but the event isn't over yet I think. I've been looking for over a year for a good (build quality) laptop which can run a unix-like environment. And I always end up circling back to macbooks, which have been comprised of very old hardware for quite some time now. Hard to justify spending so much money for a 3/4 year old CPU. The alternative is to have a machine that requires more maintenance than my 5/6 year old thinkpad running OpenBSD.
- artmageddon 10y agoFrom MacRumors live stream: 11:59 am For those joining in late, there have been no announcements about the MacBook Pro or other Macs as expected.
- dijit 10y agodoes that mean this is the end of the event? EDIT: yeah, it's the end.. sadface
- kayoone 10y agodid you check the latest Dell XPS Developer Edition ? They are pretty high quality and come with Ubuntu preinstalled.
- p8donald 10y agoDo you have one? What's your experience with it? I got a regular Dell XPS 15 (but the keyboard and everything else I think is the same) and while the laptop looks great I was expecting better quality for this price range. My review was on Hacker News recently https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12289479 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12289479
- adamnemecek 10y agoNext month I believe.
- dijit 10y agowhat makes you think that?
- artursapek 10y agoThat's what macrumors has been saying for a while.
- adamnemecek 10y agoI also think that that's the standard schedule.
- banterfoil 10y agoAccording to this: http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Mac http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Mac, they are waayyyy behind schedule
- andyfleming 10y agoI didn't really expect any computer announcements during the iPhone event.
- IMcD23 10y agoIt's not really an iPhone event. It's Apple's September event. They could have easily done it.
- artmageddon 10y ago$160 for the AirPods? My goodness those are expensive.
- kayoone 10y agoAny good pair of wireless earbuds is around that price point.
- riotdash 10y agoToo early to say that. Depends solely on the sound quality.
- duiker101 10y agoI disagree because to the layman that can easily listen to anything on a 25$ pair of earphones that's a lot. And here we are talking about at least 80% of the population.
- Yhippa 10y agoI had no idea they were that expensive. Regular old Bluetooth looks like a bargain now.
- BurningFrog 10y agoThey seem incredibly easy to lose.
- adamnemecek 10y agoYou are supposed to use it with the case. Still easy to lose but slightly harder.
- azeirah 10y agoI listen to music most while on the bike, even in-ear earbuds just randomly fall out of my ears very often. I can't imagine finding one of these if they were to fall out of my ear during fall.
- Yhippa 10y agoI'll give them credit for going deeper into features in he new phones. I question whether people will think to use them if they go into their phone for a specific task.
- boodm 10y ago>I question whether people will think to use them if they go into their phone for a specific task. IMO, they will not. I know 8-10 people with 6S/6S+ iPhones and _none_ of those people use force touch.
- slg 10y agoI still can't get over the headphone jack. Apple does have a good record of abandoning technologies at the right time (floppies, CDs, Flash, etc) but the biggest difference is that those technologies were all on the downward slope of their popularity when Apple made the move and all had solid replacements available at the time. The headphone jack is just as popular today as it has ever been and it is still more convenient and dependable than wireless headphones for most people in most situations. Maybe that changes soon or maybe AirPods solve this for iOS users (they by design can't be a universal solution) but I can't help but feel that Apple is jumping the gun on dropping the jack. Although as an iPhone user, I hope I'm wrong. Side note, I think it is hilarious that Apple can't get the AirPods to ship at the same time as the iPhone. Anyone who buys the new phone on release is going to be stuck with the crappy lightning headphones for at least a month and a half.
- apendleton 10y agoUSB is a good counterexample, though. They started pushing USB for all peripherals before anybody else, and before there was a good market for peripherals that supported it. The market emerged soon thereafter, though, and other companies were ditching their parallel ports, etc., within a year or two.
- slg 10y agoExcept USB was a standard. Lightning isn't and it doesn't appear that the W1 chip is either.
- jakobegger 10y agoThey say that the Airpods work with Macs too, so I assume they use bluetooth? W1 could just be their custom Bluetooth chip
- thesimon 10y agoBut they probably can't be paired with any other device than Apple's.
- centizen 10y agoWe knew it was going to happen, but I am still disappointed the 3.5mm jack is gone.
- tajen 10y agoThey provide the lightening-to-jack adapter for free in the box.
- i_live_there 10y agoBecause everyone loves adapters...
- rimantas 10y agobecause most will use stock earbuds anyway.
- lucb1e 10y agoApple users surely seem to. I hardly see them without carrying their vga and sometimes rj45 converters, if not also a custom phone charger.
- smileysteve 10y agoSeems that Apple dismissed the rj45 per just as wifi became ubiquitous. And that the majority of the purpose of Apple TV is airplay.
- ngcazz 10y agoWhich doesn't even allow you to charge. In any case even with a bundled adapter I feel that removing the jack is a pretty sketchy decision.
- centizen 10y agoAnd how much is another one when I inevitably lose or break it?
- plg 10y agoAirPods - so is walking around with a thing in your ear cool now? Around here it certainly still signals "I am a jackass"
- strictnein 10y agoEspecially when they look like this: https://s.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2016/09/apple7-1468.jpg https://s.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2016/09/apple7-...
- throwanem 10y agoSo, about the size of the current EarPods, except without the wire. Not sure I see the issue here.
- mulletbum 10y agoI think they looking fucking awesome. What don't you like about them, people only see the stem? That said I would not just walk around like an asshat with them in all the time or anything.
- strictnein 10y agoReally? I think they look horrible and will look like people have a q-tip shoved half way up their ear canal.
- nicky0 10y agoAnd they are an open invitation for some annoying kid to grab them out of your ear.
- bobwaycott 10y agoI suppose the only deterrent people can hope for is they'll be dead soon without the case?
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- k2xl 10y agoHonest question - Aren't IPhones already pretty water resistant? Unless getting dunked in water, I haven't heard of anyone having any issues with water damaging their IPhone.
- umeshunni 10y agoiPhones are currently 'splash resistant'. Now they're 'swim resistant'. They are now up to the IP67 standards.
- tetraodonpuffer 10y agoIP67 is not good enough for swimming (1m submersion). Note the emphasis of the watch being able to be swum with, but for the phone they only showed it being used when it was raining
- AceJohnny2 10y agoThe new watches are swim resistant. The phones aren't.
- umeshunni 10y agoAh, thank you. I got that confused.
- devonkim 10y agoI've heard of people living in really high humidity areas activating the water sensors in their phones and being refused warranty replacements.
- hsod 10y agoSeems like the new thing is if you drop it in the pool/bathtub/toilet (and quickly retrieve it) you should be fine
- raesene9 10y agountil now they weren't officially water resistant. I'm guessing that'll make a difference if you have a warrenty repair and the phone has been wet..
- qaq 10y agocharging while using headphones?
- downandout 10y agoThis has been my concern since the moment I heard about lightning headphones. I saw no solution presented either.
- SurrealSoul 10y agonope
- i_live_there 10y agoNever forget, my friend. Never forget... http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/10/slide-06-apple-magic-mouse-2-100622394-large.jpg http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/10/slide-06...
- agumonkey 10y agoOh god, people spared me this ... Darwin design awards.
- ngcazz 10y agoGross! :)
- rhinoceraptor 10y agoIt's not really a big deal, I have a charger at my desk for my phone. So once every 3-4 weeks, I plug in the mouse when I leave. It's never run out of battery when I wanted to use it.
- kayoone 10y agoi think they wanted to specifically make sure people don't use these with wires attached. Apple HATES wires. Imagine their marketing people getting heart attacks when some people dare to post pictures of their shiny Apple hardware online and the magic mouse has a wire attached.
- msoad 10y agoI buy a new iPhone every year. I think phone utilization is so high that around $1 a day is nothing for it. Compare it with cars clothes and other things
- enjo 10y agoWhere are you getting a $365 iPhone from?
- fredleblanc 10y agoAt the end, there was a slide about the Apple iPhone upgrade program for $32/mo. That's just about $1 a day.
- ceejayoz 10y agoReselling the older model, most likely.
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- adt2bt 10y ago$32/month for the unlocked iPhone every year program from Apple is $384/year, close to $1/day.
- p8donald 10y agoDoes it mean you're just renting the phone?
- mcphage 10y agoNot really; after 2 years you're done paying for it, and it's yours.
- twblalock 10y agoIt's actually a pretty good deal. It costs a little bit more than buying the phone outright on day 1, but you get to pay over time. If you trade in after only one year, you basically paid a dollar a day to rent the phone. But if you had bought one outright and sold it at the end of the year in order to buy the new model, you would not be a whole lot better off -- and you might have had to deal with potentially scummy eBay or Craigslist buyers.
- SurrealSoul 10y agoHonestly if you had an iPhone 6 why would you upgrade? Better battery life is cool, and it being waterproof is novel. However, its basically the same phone for the end consumer.
- ihuman 10y agoBecause of the reasons you mentioned, and the better camera?
- ceejayoz 10y agoIn my experience, the OS starts to feel very, very slow not long after a major performance bump in the top-of-the-line iPhones.
- TheKnack 10y agoIn my experience, this is because major iOS upgrades tend to come out at the same time as new phones, and installing one major iOS version as an upgrade over the previous creates issues, especially if you've not set up a phone a new in a few years, whether it's a new phone or not. After installing a major iOS version upgrade, if you erase your phone without restoring the backup, the performance will feel new again, and battery life almost always improves.
- revelation 10y agoSeems awfully iterative. You can usually tell by the meaningless "2x more speed" "x% brighter" figures.
- nicky0 10y agoBut it does come in two different shades of black!
- madeofpalk 10y agoAren't all iPhones awfully iterative though? Surely this can't be a new revelation.
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- AndrewKemendo 10y agoIt's hard to know without it in my hands how big of a deal the stereo camera is going to be. The fact that it wasn't designed for depth (at least publicly stated) makes it a little unnerving - for example having to compensate for two separate focal lengths to get good parallax is going to be a pain. However we built our SLAM around taking on dual cameras IF they happened to show up so we should be ok with some parameter changes on each input. Anyway, AR is about to explode.
- iLoch 10y agoDon't count on it. Most people aren't interested in AR. And even when you mention it most people will tell you they'd "rather just use it like normal" (ie. no AR) If you're talking about groundbreaking mixed reality, like the HoloLens or Magic Leap then maybe. Microsoft is doing the right thing by first marketing to business. The consumer tech isn't ready, and won't be for probably 5-10 years (to be at a place where it won't require any overhead.)
- AndrewKemendo 10y agoMost people don't know what they're interested in and consumers are starting to actually take hold of AR. Ever seen Snapchat filters? Yep those are 3D tracking with depth. Not fiducial AR or just non tracked "overlay" so it counts. It's steps toward HMD AR by showing people what is possible to do to changing the real world dynamically. Having hardware that can do depth at scale with an application layer is a big step - not sure that the 7 plus gets there but it's a start.
- davidiach 10y agoI was really impressed with the new camera. It seems to me this was a bigger improvement than what they usually do.
- excalibur 10y agoI'm still kind of dumbfounded that the 7 Plus has two cameras side-by-side and apparently ISN'T using them to capture 3D images. One would think this would be the best/most obvious application.
- davidhperry 10y ago> One would think this would be the best/most obvious application. Holding some features back for the next model, perhaps. They have to smooth out the 'wow factor' for each model to keep growth steady.
- sk8ingdom 10y agoCouldn't they push this out as a future software update?
- macinjosh 10y agoThe reason for the lack of 3D is probably that the two cameras have different lenses. Once is wide angle the other is telephoto.
- AndrewKemendo 10y agoYou can still do it, you just have to tweak your calibration parameters to accept a different focal length for the second camera. It's a huge pain but doable.
- mahyarm 10y agoMaybe it will be another software update, or something 'software new' for the iPhone 7S or 8 like they did with live photos & the 6S.
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- carlisle_ 10y ago> 2× louder than iPhone 6s Just the thing BART & MUNI really needed.
- mulmen 10y agoPeople on Bay Area transit use their speaker? I don't think I have seen that on a Seattle Metro bus more than a handful of times.
- icinnamon 10y agoConfused about what earphones come with the iPhone 7. The standard analog ones (since an adapter is included)? Feels very backwards... unless I'm missing something... Also, no new MBP is very disappointing.
- mulletbum 10y agoDigital wired headphones come with it. There is an adapter for analog.
- acchow 10y agoThe headphones are digital? What does that mean?
- Veen 10y agoIt comes with EarPods with a lightening plug on the end that use the lightening port. They're also throwing in an adaptor so you can use older headphones in the lightening socket too. The only port the iPhone 7 has is a lightening port.
- ng-user 10y ago> "Up to 5hr. of battery life on one charge" How the fuck is it acceptable to completely remove the jack and replace it with this 'superior' technology?
- k-mcgrady 10y agoConsidering the shipping headphones are lightning it's that port that is the replacement, not wireless.
- Longhanks 10y agoIt's not like they're shipping a free adapter. You could also use a Bluetooth headset of your choice that has a bigger battery. Or you could just buy a different phone. It's their product, what is "acceptable" is up to them. (Yes, the first part is sarcasm.)
- barnaclejive 10y agoThey are. Did you watch?
- rhinoceraptor 10y agoI believe that was sarcasm.
- paradite 10y agoThey ARE shipping a free adapter. Edit: Looks like you wanted to say this, but made a typo.
- kayoone 10y agoi think it was sarcasm
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- alkonaut 10y agoThey claim the plus as "optical zoom" and talk about a 2x factor. Do they mean it can switch between a wide and tele focal length? That isn't "zoom" (at least not in the normal sense) - it's just two focal lengths with a switch. Did I understand the feature correctly?
- wodenokoto 10y agoThe way I understood it is they can mix data from both cameras to produce smooth, optical quality zoom between the two focal lengths.
- redial 10y agoNo, when using optical zoom there is no mix of data. It uses just the second camera. I think they use both only when creating shallow depth of field shots.
- redial 10y ago> it's just two focal lengths with a switch. Which is what zoom is. Only that in a normal zoom, the 'switch' is a slider.
- alkonaut 10y agoNah, I wouldn't say a drop in teleconverter in a lens makes it a zoom lens, the zoom bit is the continuous movement between focal lengths. I suppose even with just two focal lengths, the focal length can be "varied" which is the normal definition of zoom, but I have never heard the term used that way.
- redial 10y agoMy point is the difference is a difference of terminology not in functionality. A zoom system is one that can achieve multiple focal lengths with the same setup, and in that sense the iPhone 7 plus has a 'discrete' zoom, just like for example, microscopes, or telescopes with different magnifications, or leica's tri-Elmar lenses. (Leica doesn't call them zooms because in the world of Leica primes are the standard, but I don't see why you wouldn't.) If you define zoom as the physical action of sliding a piece of glass to achieve different focal lengths in a lens, then a digital zoom, by that definition is also not a zoom. Now, the iPhone is not using a teleconverter, which is something that is added to the lens, but a different lens plus sensor alltogether to create the effect of a zoomed image. And this is the point where the old definitions break down; is a camera the sensor or is a camera the device that creates the picture? I think it is the latter, and in that sense I think iPhone 7 plus does have a 'discrete' zoom.
- tetraodonpuffer 10y agowhat would be interesting for the iphone 7 plus would be to use the telephoto camera for a picture, and use the information from the wide-angle camera to improve the noise reduction in low light, I wonder if Apple is going to also do this (besides using it for bokeh)
- JustSomeNobody 10y agoImage manipulation isn't my thing, but I would think it would have to be the other way round. You're at 2X telephoto so each of those pixels is four of the wide angle pixels in terms of detail now.
- drivingmenuts 10y agoNo audio jack - no iPhone 7 for me. End of discussion.
- adolfoabegg 10y agoThey didn't mention wireless charging, did they?
- AceJohnny2 10y agoNope. For that matter, what about charging while using headphones?
- _bojan 10y agoNope.
- mulletbum 10y agoIf they had this thread wouldn't be going bat shit crazy about the headphone jack being removed.
- iaskwhy 10y agoThat's a good question as during the presentation of the new features, one of them was called "Wireless" and for a moment I thought "Oh, so that's it, wireless charging too so no need for that strange dongle to charge the phone while listening to music!"
- adolfoabegg 10y agoI expected exactly the same. Wireless charging was the first thing that came to mind as a basic "wireless feature".
- pawelwentpawel 10y agoCan somebody explain why a lens with f1.8 is not able to provide the depth of field effect on itself?
- tshtf 10y agoBecause the focal length (not the 35mm equivalent) is very short due to the small sensor on the phone.
- berberous 10y agoSensor size. Depth of field is based on (1) sensor size (you want big), (2) aperture (you want a low number, i.e. big opening), (3) focus distance to nearest subject, and (4) focal length (I think...). So on a full frame sensor camera, shooting someone's portrait with an 80mm will give you very shallow DoF, on a sensor the size of an iPhone, it's probably close to infinite. Edit: I don't think the above is technically exactly correct...Here's a good explanation: http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/depth-of-field.htm http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/depth-of-field.ht...
- rodgerd 10y agoNit-pick: more exit pupil than sensor size, but they're a rough approximation anyhow. But you're correct that the short (actual, not equivalent) focal length of camera phones makes an f/1.8 completely irrelevant.
- NLips 10y agoSensor size doesn't really have an effect - it's about focal length. The reason sensor size seems to have an effect is because for the same field of view with a bigger sensor, you have a longer focal length. For the same focal length, aperture and focus distance, a larger sensor doesn't change DOF; it just adds more of the surroundings to the outside of the picture.
- bluehawk 10y agoBecause it's a tiny lens with a very very short focal length. Short focal lens tend to make everything in focus, regardless of aperture.
- qnk 10y agoThe high-gloss finish of the Jet Black iPhone 7 is achieved through a precision nine-step anodization and polishing process. Its surface is equally as hard as other anodized Apple products; however, its high shine may show fine micro-abrasions with use. If you are concerned about this, we suggest you use one of the many cases available to protect your iPhone.[1] I think I'd go for the Black one instead. [1]http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7 http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7
- tdy721 10y agoI never use a case for my phones. Honestly, I kinda like the way phones "wear down". It's mine, and I scratched it up a bit, no problem.
- emptyfile 10y agoThis, IMHO phones are not supposed to be jewelry.
- dmix 10y agoI break my screen far too often not to use a case with a raised edge, so it can't survive a fall. I'm too clumsy to not have one. Nothing to do with jewelry.
- matthewmcg 10y agoSame. It reminds me of the "brassing" you see on well-used cameras that have a black finish over metal. The coating wears off in a distinctive way with heavy use. Example: http://leicaphilia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/BP-M3-5414-3.jpg http://leicaphilia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/BP-M3-5414...
- gchokov 10y agoLOVE IT!
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- mustaflex 10y agothe price for heaven's sake... it's me or every year the new model gets almost 100 bucks more expensive the the previous one. We can expect a base price of 1000€ in 5 or 6 years.
- dangoor 10y agoI don't think the latest model iPhone has changed in price for years.
- thewopr 10y agoOr almost now $969 for premium specs. http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7/5.5-inch-display-256gb-jet-black-att#01,10,30,41 http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7/5.5-inch-displ...
- ryfm 10y ago+taxes and apple care and it's over 1K
- IMcD23 10y agoThey haven't raised the price in...ever? They lower last years model by $100 as well.
- djrogers 10y agoNo, it's virtually the same price it's always been, but with more storage. The first iPhone with 8Gb was $599, 9 years later it's only $50 more for the 32gb model. What weird blogs have you been reading?
- mig39 10y agolol, are you Canadian?
- tempestn 10y agoPresumably if they were Canadian they would have mentioned a price in dollars rather than Euros.
- brian-armstrong 10y agoI'm curious if this spells the end for the headphone jack in the industry. Now that's gone from the iPhone, should we expect other phones to drop it? What about tablets and laptops?
- cozzyd 10y agoThe original iPhone did not usher in the era of the 2.5 mm audio jack.
- shinratdr 10y agoThat's because it didn't have a 2.5mm audio jack. How can it usher in the era of something it isn't a part of?
- cududa 10y agoI believe that weird Motorola iTunes phone had 2.5mm
- cududa 10y agoI believe that weird Motorola iTunes phone had 2.5mm
- cozzyd 10y agoI believe the very first batch of the first generation did... I know someone who got one very early on and complained about it.
- guywithabike 10y agoIt did not. You might be thinking of the fact that the headphone jack was recessed in a way that caused many 3.5mm headphone plugs not to fit: https://www.engadget.com/2007/06/30/iphone-doesnt-work-with-most-3rd-party-headphones/ https://www.engadget.com/2007/06/30/iphone-doesnt-work-with-...
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- cozzyd 10y agoWell, at least the lack of a headphone jack might prevent some people from using a selfie stick.
- IMcD23 10y agoSelfie sticks work over Bluetooth now! No need for a headphone jack. The $12 one my girlfriend bought is Bluetooth.
- csomar 10y agoLightening stick coming very soon.
- castis 10y agoNot that I condone the usage of them but if they don't call that item a lightning rod I'll be sorely disappointed.
- _bojan 10y agoRemoved audio jack and still not waterproof.
- JustSomeNobody 10y agoI doubt ANY smartphone is waterproof. The new iPhone 7, however _is_ water _resistant_[0]. [0] Which is what you probably mean.
- reitanqild 10y agoMine is. IP something something. Can shoot photos under water. Just because iPhone isn't doesn't mean no other can be ;-)
- JustSomeNobody 10y agoI believe IP ratings are for "resistance" (for a certain depth/period of time). Water "proof" means completely impervious to water, period. I don't believe any phone is water proof.
- altstar 10y agohttp://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-m2-aqua/ http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-m...
- rrdharan 10y agoThere's a pretty good writeup of the IP ratings, how to interpret them, and how they compare with other phones here: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/138727-apple-iphone-7-and-7-plus-are-ip67-water-and-dust-resistant-what-does-that-mean http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/138727-apple-iphone-7-and-7-...
- JustSomeNobody 10y agoFrom your link: Waterproof • Down to 1.5 m • Max 30 mins • IP rating 65/68 This is _not_ water PROOF.
- AceJohnny2 10y agoI was really curious how they'd handle wireless audio. In my experience, Bluetooth is slow to pair, connect, and glitchy in common environments. So I find it very indicative that the new Airpods do not mention Bluetooth, and the Beats Solo3 cryptically mentions "Connections: Bluetooth, Wireless" on its product page [1]. Sadly, I don't expect them to open their tech to 3rd parties soon :( [1] http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MNEN2LL/A/beats-solo3-wireless-on-ear-headphones-gloss-black?cid=app_Beats_Solo3Wireless_PDP_US_AOS_Solo3Wireless http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MNEN2LL/A/beats-solo3-wire...
- ihuman 10y agoFrom the video, I got the impression they're using their own custom radio solution, that allows them to more easily pair. We don't know much about the reliability of the new mechanism, however. Edit: I am wrong
- kalleboo 10y agohttp://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMEF2AM/A/airpods http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMEF2AM/A/airpods Connections AirPods: Bluetooth It's also compatible with old iPhones going back to the 5, so it can't be anything too custom. My bet is it's Bluetooth but a custom profile and custom pairing.
- tebruno99 10y agoI'm not even upset about the headphone jack. Whatever. I'm really upset because you won't be able to do the following: 1.) Audio+GPS+Charging in non-Bluetooth Car. 2.) Listening to music at desk and still have enough charge for the Audio+GPS for the drive home. 3.) No more listening to music/audiobooks as I fall asleep because in the morning the iPhone won't be charged for my desk usage the next day unless I wake up and plug it back in during my sleep. They can do whatever they want with the headphone jack, but pretending like we don't need to plug the phone in!! Thats daft.
- sotojuan 10y agoI wonder why they didn't just have two ports...
- elliotec 10y ago1. Most cars are Bluetooth enabled, and many old ones have aftermarket systems that are. 2. Most people listen to music at their desk with their computers 3. That does seem a bit of an issue, but part of the point of the AirPods
- drinchev 10y ago1) Buying another accessory for my car isn't the solution. What if I drive a rented car? 2) Most people store their music on their phones though.
- chrisper 10y agoI just recently bought this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019RVZ138/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019RVZ138/ref=oh_aui_deta... It was on sale, so it was cheaper than what you see there. I have pretty good experiences with it so far. It would also solve your rental car problem!
- elliotec 10y agoIs there an opposite version of that, like one I could attach to my headphones and play through an iPhone? EDIT: found it - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HQ0UVTG?psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HQ0UVTG?psc=1
- balabaster 10y agoIt's water resistant but water damage isn't covered under warranty? How can you have it both ways like that? "Water resistance IP67 under IEC standard 60529. Liquid damage not covered under warranty." How does one make such a big deal of it being water resistant (Product film: 1m 35s; "...to make this the first water resistant iPhone") but not cover liquid damage under warranty?
- brainfire 10y agoThe same way they use durable glass and don't cover broken glass under the warranty.
- lucb1e 10y agoThey're not saying the glass is unbreakable, they say it's strong. Water resistant sounds entirely different from 'should survive small splashes' and doesn't add anything if it's not actually watertight. I already use my android phone in the rain, covering it as well as I can, and take the risk. Or hope it survives when splashing water over it. That works, so the next step is actually being watertight.
- seanmcdirmid 10y agoWater resistant sounds like break resistant. It doesn't make any promises.
- Dylan16807 10y agoBut glass has some base-level strength you can rely on. Imagine if there was a chance of the glass shattering while you hold the phone gently in one hand, and the warranty excluded the glass.
- seanmcdirmid 10y agoBut in the field, anything can mess that up, e.g. pressure applied to a small point. If I drop my phone on the ground screen first, I have an idea that it might not break, but it might break. If it doesn't, I'm happy it survived, and if it does I don't go out and sue Apple. Same if my phone gets hit in a rain storm by a bunch of drops of water.
- neals 10y agoHow am I not going to loose those two tiny little earbuds?
- jamesmccann 10y agoFeeling pretty disillusioned by another iPhone and iOS update. The 3.5mm coupled with lightning instead of USB-C just look like obvious traps for lock in with no real gain (5hr of playback time?!) iOS still continues its march of adding minor features that should be in regular OTA updates and packing them up with some serious marketing hype. There's barely any improvement here and most of the features are already well implemented in Android / Google Apps or Facebook Messenger. Disappointing.
- Ologn 10y ago> already well implemented in Android Yup. I remember the original iPhone/iPad announcements where many features were fairly innovative. Now applauded feature announcements are for features already out on Android phones.
- Longhanks 10y agoShow me an Android phone that will provide the hassle-free experience Apple promises with those AirPods. That's the most innovative part of this event for me.
- SCdF 10y agoSo I just bought some backbeat fit headphones, which use bluetooth. To get them working with my Android phone I: - pressed the on button on the headphones - pressed the pair button on my phone I mean, bar special hooks Apple can have because they don't give a fuck about standards, I really don't see how that is hard.
- cheald 10y agoSame experience with my 6P and my el cheapo Bluetooth gym headphones. Turned headphones on, hit pair, good to go. Apple has done "hassle-free" very well historically, but that doesn't mean that other vendors are incapable of it.
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- ngrilly 10y agoThe biggest drawback, maybe the only drawback of this new iPhone, is that you can't use the EarPods while charging. (Edited for clarity)
- pearjuice 10y agoSo it's water resistant but not water proof... It has 2 cameras like other Android phones had years ago. Basically same everything but with a Mario app and no headphone jack? Do you think Steve Jobs would have approved of this to hit retail?
- nicky0 10y agoThey are just playing catch up to Android once again. Typical Apple behind the curve but claiming a "revolution". But alas the sheeple will lap it up.
- Unklejoe 10y agoCan the 3.5mm to Lightning adapters be legally produced without paying royalties to Apple for using the Lightning connector? On a related note: I wonder if one reason for eliminating the jack is to close that open interface which some devices like the "Square" were using. I'm not sure how much of an impact this has though; it was just a thought.
- Longhanks 10y agoApple's adapter is only $9 (http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMX62AM/A/lightning-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter?fnode=97 http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMX62AM/A/lightning-to-35-...).
- Unklejoe 10y agoI don't see how this is related to my comment. My concern was basically about Apple being able to prohibit manufacturers from making hardware that they don't explicitly approve. (I don't know if they can or can't.)
- chadlavi 10y agoSeems like someone could continue using the square reader with the included 3.5mm adapter cord.
- mikeash 10y agoElectrically it'll work, but mechanically it'll suck. Right now you hold the phone in one hand and swipe the card with the other. With this adapter, you'd need three hands: phone, reader, card. Or find a place to put the phone down while you run the operation. For something like a card reader, you really want a device that plugs straight into the phone. If Square isn't able to build a Lightning reader just because Apple controls the port, that would be kind of irritating.
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- tptacek 10y agoI think I speak for a lot of people when I say that cameras are nice and so are Retina displays but what we'd really like to see is a big splashy page about whatever's new with the Secure Enclave Processor in the 7. Not because there's anything wrong with the 6! Ivan Krstic's talk about Apple platform security at Black Hat was probably the best talk of the whole event. Nobody is delivering seamlessly integrated chipset-up-through-application security the way Apple is. Forget about in mobile devices; I mean, in computing, period. I'm excited to learn what else is coming there!
- heartbreak 10y agoI'm also really excited about this. A lot of people have been distracted by a single issue and are missing some really nice features of this phone. Beyond the secure enclave, if the haptic home button is anything like the new trackpads, it'll be an amazing feature. One less moving part to break. And the cameras...wow. Finally decent depth of field on the camera that's always in my pocket.
- javajosh 10y agoFinally decent depth of field on the camera that's always in my pocket. Recently I upgraded to the Samsung Galaxy S7. It was about $400 and it has an incredible camera; far better than my old iPhone 5s, and it looks substantially better than the iPhone 6/6s photos I have seen. Plus, it has a headphone jack, microSD support (so nice to be able to upgrade), and a really beautiful screen. Yes, Samsung installed some bloatware but some of it is actually useful (their UI for toggling radios is quite good) Android Kit-Kat is solid. To me, this was Android's first reasonable phone.
- jakobegger 10y agoThe Airpods look like a genuine improvement. I really hate untangling my earphones every time I use them. The carrying case looks brilliant; much nicer to carry a smooth case than a mess of wires in my pocket.
- protomyth 10y agoThey used the word "courage" during the keynote. I would say the actual words are "lock in" and "licensing fees". I would have been ok with USB-C because at least those will be able to move between machines. The adapter is useless for me since it doesn't allow power to be supplied so my long drives are now problematic. I guess I'll have to take that into account on buying the next car.
- nicky0 10y agoI'm sure some 3rd party will come out with a combined charging & audio adapter.
- mempko 10y agoI think they meant you have to be brave to buy it.
- PerfectElement 10y agoOr you can buy a better phone.
- protomyth 10y agoProbably, but I have to get over the lock-in cost which is not cheap.
- nickpp 10y agoStill downscaling the iPhone 7 Plus resolution down to 1080p?! Still no 1-1 pixel mapping?! I know nobody else cares...
- sk8ingdom 10y agoThis bothers me as well...and definitely becomes an argument against the iPhone 7 Plus. It's going to be difficult to choose between dual camera / longer battery life, and correctly mapped pixels.
- Synaesthesia 10y agoAt more than 400 dpi it's not really visible. I've scrutinized it heavily, and I can even (barely) see the pixels on the retina iPad and regular iPhone.
- overcast 10y agoI especially enjoyed the last second comment under his breath regarding the matte black iPhone 7 pricing. 32GB standard for all models, except the matte black, which will ONLY come in 128GB, and you'll be paying $100 more at $750. Nice underhanded move by Apple to maximize profit for what will undoubtedly be the most popular color. First they force everyone to buy the 32GB upgrade last year on the 6S, now you're forced to do the same to 128GB, unless you want a rose colored phone. The camera upgrade looks nice, but the headphone jack is a joke. Another wire that will inevitably fall apart like the other Apple lightning connectors. EDIT: Jet Black, NOT Matte Black. Still dumb.
- hbosch 10y agoNit: I think you are talking about the Jet Black color, not the Matte (regular) black.
- overcast 10y agoI stand corrected.
- iaskwhy 10y agoThis is not correct, the 32GB capacity is available for the matte black iPhone 7 - it's gone for the jet black one.
- Jtsummers 10y ago16GB for smart phones has been a terrible option for years. It's sort of comedic, though also very tragic, to watch people juggle images and audio and apps on 16GB devices.
- Havoc 10y agoDon't think Jet Black will be the most popular. Think standard black will be. Jet Black will be full of scratches by the time you've unboxed it.
- strmpnk 10y agoRumors had it that they're in shorter supply than the other colors so it might make sense for them to mark that one as a premium model only. They could add a 32GB model later. Another theory might be the branding they started with the cylindrical Mac Pro which is also this sort of gloss black. So perhaps we'll see more products with this gloss applied? Either way, I've always ended up regretting getting a lower capacity model. I only upgrade every 3-4 years and I am definitely looking forward to 128GB or more so I don't have to juggle apps, audio, and pictures constantly. So for me that's the starting price. Steep but I don't buy phones so often so it's not my biggest budget worry.
- obilgic 10y agoOne thing that hasn't been mentioned is AirPods seem super useful for taking phone calls and all the other apps such as Snapchat, I would wear them off all day. Airpods might become the virtual reality for your ears.
- kelseydh 10y agoYou're right... But there is no faster way to kill the coolness of AirPods than to have it associated with the stereotype of bluetooth headset-wearing douchebags fielding phone calls in public.
- hmate9 10y agoI won't be buying the new iPhone but I thinks removing the headphone jack seems like an extremely small problem. The main issue seems to be that you now can't charge and listen to music at the same time. How often do you actually do that? In the past 5 years I have probably done that once. For those of you who do think it is an inconvenience, I bet there will be a product on the market in 2 weeks that eliminates this problem.
- robotresearcher 10y ago> You can't charge and listen to music at the same time. How often do you actually do that? My two use cases that I expect are pretty common: 1. In the car, plugged in to charge since using GPS navigation drains the battery very fast, and car audio input is AUX only. 2. Phone on the nightstand, plugged to overnight charge and I go to sleep listening to podcasts or music on headphones to avoid disturbing my partner. I can dozily remove my headphones, but I can't switch cables without waking up. I agree that there will be aftermarket products to solve it. Just makes the thing more expensive for me, so less likely to buy.
- jbmorgado 10y ago> You can't charge and listen to music at the same time. How often do you actually do that? Lots of times. Me and anyone that takes medium to long trips in their cars and and uses GPS navigation while charging and listening to music like basically all people that use smartphone do.
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- a_sriram 10y agoI wonder why they removed the 3d touch? edit: I just saw the video...its still there. Looks like it is a default feature now. My bad.
- hbosch 10y ago3D Touch is still a feature.
- nicky0 10y agoWhere did you hear that?
- a_sriram 10y agoI dont see them mention it. The iPhone 6s tech spec has "Retina HD display with 3D Touch" mentioned.
- heartbreak 10y ago3D Touch was featured in the Instagram demo.
- songgao 10y ago2.4Ghz is super congested. 802.11g is. Bluetooth is. Even your microwave is on 2.4GHz. If everybody starts to use Bluetooth headphones all the time, I fear it's gonna make it totally unusable.
- cududa 10y agoThere are tons of call center farms with people packed very closesly using Bluetooth headsets (and have been for a decade) and there doesn't seem to be an issue
- songgao 10y agoAre you sure about them being Bluetooth? I'd be interested to know how they make it work. If you meant something like this [0], DECT [1] works on a different frequence band. [0] https://en-us.sennheiser.com/phone-headset-wireless-call-center-headset-dw-pro-2 https://en-us.sennheiser.com/phone-headset-wireless-call-cen... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Enhanced_Cordless_Telecommunications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Enhanced_Cordless_Tele...
- snuxoll 10y agoYes, they are likely DECT, my last job we used Plantronics CS500 headsets which are in fact DECT. Though, regardless of the protocol used (DECT 6.0 uses 1.9GHz) congestion is always an issue with that many devices in close proximity, especially at the range I can take DECT headsets - in fact, this is why I bought a CS500 for home use along with the EHS adapter for my Polycom Soundpoint IP 335, it's nice that I can be on a conference call for work and go out to the garage to grab something quick without having to carry my phone in my pocket.
- ChrisBland 10y agoCool - more dongles, adaptors + what not to carry around and lose and then pay apple another $40 for each time. I say this writing on my Thunderbolt display that has since been rendered obsolete if I ever want a new macbook
- jws 10y agoLighting to 3.5mm audio: $10 Lighting EarPods: $30 MagSafe to MagSafe2 Converter: $10 (for that new laptop) So yeah, an extra adapter is going to run the cost up about 1%.
- lucb1e 10y ago> writing on my Thunderbolt display I really hope you aren't actually writing this on the display.
- 72deluxe 10y agoYes, what is the plan for this? I ask as my 2012 MBP non-retina needs replacing at some point (I think I'll shove as SSD in first, to get 3 more years life) but where do we go from here?
- saynsedit 10y agoI feel like I can't buy this unless Apple pays its EU-enforced Irish tax bill. We give them money but the vast majority of it never goes back into the economy. [Edited for technical correctness]
- tobltobs 10y agoIt is a tax bill from Ireland. The EU isn't a state, it doesn't collect taxes.
- shawkinaw 10y agoIt's an Irish tax bill decided by the EU. Think about that. Starting to think Brexit wasn't such a bad idea after all. Also, spending money puts it back in the economy, and Apple spends plenty. Taxes are probably the worst way for money to cycle through from an efficiency standpoint. All that said, they should obviously pay what they legitimately owe.
- saynsedit 10y agoTaxes may be the worst way to recycle money but in the absence of anything else it's a really good way. Apple's revenue far outweigh its costs. They have one of the largest cash reserves of any corporation in the world. http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/22/investing/apple-stock-cash-earnings/ http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/22/investing/apple-stock-cash-e... http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/04/13/fun-number-apple-has-twice-as-much-cash-as-the-us-government/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/04/13/fun-numbe...
- NetStrikeForce 10y agoIt's an Irish tax bill decided by Ireland, but not enforced for Apple and probably some other big companies. That's what the EU complaint is about: Unfair state subsidies to Apple, the most anti-capitalist thing ever - people's taxes are used to subsidise Apple. Let that sink in. If you are still trying to justify Brexit's shitshow you're doing it wrong.
- dchest 10y agoYou're not "giving them money", you're exchanging your money for their product. If you are so keen on giving money to your government, there are plenty of ways to do it.
- xbryanx 10y agoI know this is a minority use case, but my iPhone is a great tool for testing whether audio equipment is working or not when I'm doing media system installs. Simply plug in the iPhone and play some sounds. Alas...
- koolba 10y agoOT / @dang: This thread really makes one appreciate the new collapsible comments!
- bobwaycott 10y agoI was thinking the same thing. First time I've used it.
- mturmon 10y agoYes, it proved its worth dealing with duplicative 3.5mm jack comments.
- ino 10y agocollapsing is really slow, it takes 3-5 seconds on safari + mba.
- superdaniel 10y agoExperiencing the same issue on Firefox on OSX.
- ksml 10y agoThis is happening to me on Android (Chrome); the page completely freezes and can't be scrolled for 3-5 seconds. I assumed it was my phone reflowing or something, but I feel like it shouldn't be that bad, and if it's also happening on MBA, it really shouldn't be that bad
- walterbell 10y agoSame delay on iOS, but still much faster than scrolling past 700+ comments.
- PhantomGremlin 10y agoSomething is wrong. I just collapsed the top thread (733 comments) and it was almost instant. I'm running Firefox 48 on OS X Mavericks on a non-retina MB Pro. NoScript is loaded but ycombinator whitelisted.
- ulfw 10y agoI can't believe that even the newest Beats 3 Solo Wireless have Micro-USB charging. Talk about Apple not knowing what their product charging/connection strategy is! (Lightning for AirPods, but Micro-USB for Beats, Lightning for everything else, from Apple Pencil charging to Apple Mouse)
- srikz 10y agoI somehow expected a ton of conversation around the new A10 Fusion chip. After 340+ comments I couldn't find any mention of it (I just did a page search for A10, A10 Fusion). Apple were already ahead with their per-core performance but seems like they have widened the gap even further this time with their version of the big.LITTLE arrangement. Wonder how Qualcomm's next chips will be. From what I heard, 820 will be the last custom chip they will do and from now on the CPU will be just the reference ARM chips and they will focus on the GPU and better integration of radios on the chip. Someone with more knowledge (about Apple's and Qualcomm's chip) please fill in.
- epberry 10y agoI would be surprised if Qualcomm only did reference designs after the 820. They were forced to switch to the reference 64 bit ARM design after Apple leapfrogged mobile chipmakers and it really hurt them. They had a lot of trouble with the big.LITTLE architecture and power management which led to 810 power issues which somewhat led to Samsung dropping them for the S6. With the 820 Qualcomm was able to make their own custom cores (I think they went with 2 or 4 instead of 8) and generally overcome the 810 trainwreck. Qualcomm's ability to integrate the radio, GPU, DSP, crypto chip and some other things with a custom CPU into a true SOC is really a massive advantage within mobile and I expect them to build on that with more custom designs. One last note about big.LITTLE. It seems like a panacea - just move all the big jobs to the big processors and the little ones to the little processors, yay! But this is much, much harder in practice. Doing this wrong leads to disastrous UX, screen tears because rendering shifts off of the big cores being one prime example. Process scheduling is already very tough and current schedulers are the result of many years of experimentation and heuristic best practices. Of course Apple controls the whole stack (i.e. they don't need to worry about where Kernel maintainers want to go with the schedulers) and I'm sure they have some amazing engineers working on Darwin so maybe they were able to overcome problems here. If you can schedule correctly it does seem like a big power savings win. But (and I may be behind the times here) that is a big if...
- srikz 10y agoEven I feel that by not doing custom designs they will be consumed by lower priced competition like Mediatek. This piece of info was by someone who claimed works/worked at Qualcomm so I didn't dismiss it initially. We will probably know about it by end of the year.
- niftich 10y agoThis is a Nice Device. You can read my other comments lamenting the headphone jack, this comment isn't about that. The screen is beautiful. The two cameras are a clever trick that I hope work as well as advertised -- and their cameras have been historically very good. Splash resistance is overdue, but appreciated. But A10 is a bit of a disappointment [1][2], only as powerful as the A9X. Do they have any new hardware encode/decode blocks at least? With A9 they were having yield issues and had to different traces being manufactured by two different fabs to enhance capacity. What do we know on the chip front? [1] https://www.techtastic.nl/smartphones/apple-a10-soc-van-iphone-7-net-zo-snel-als-ipad-pro/ https://www.techtastic.nl/smartphones/apple-a10-soc-van-ipho... [2] http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/iphone-7-benchmarked-here-s-how-powerful-apple-s-new-phone-might-be http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/iphone-7-benchmarked-here...
- srikz 10y agodamn! here I was thinking that A10 is a big jump. I guess A10X Fusion will be a hell of a chip in the next iPads.
- frankchn 10y agoRumors say TSMC is manufacturing most/all of the A10s on their 16nm process [1]. [1]: http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/07/11/apple-chip-builder-tsmc-expected-to-see-record-q3-on-a10-chips http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/07/11/apple-chip-builder...
- Synaesthesia 10y agoA9 is amazingly fast - benches like twice as fast as every other phone out there. With Apple's great SSD it's a pretty powerful package for a phone. Instead they have lower power consumption now which I think is a fair call.
- Brakenshire 10y agoA9X has a far higher thermal envelope than a smartphone processor, if the A10 is as powerful I'd say that's very impressive.
- jimjimjim 10y agoso, what's the next market/eco-system? mobiles are mature products and the players are strictly in cash-cow or market share mode. nothing of importance is changing. I've got an iphone se and an iphone 4 and you can't tell me that's the most they can do for 6 years of product development by one of the richest companies in the world. (yes i know that it's faster with more a and more b and more c etc) Apple needs to drip feed improvements over the next x years to keep sales up so we can't expect anything game changing. "The Others" are trying this and that but nothing seems to be sticking, probably not able to drive consumer desire enough. so if nothing is happening, what is the post-phone next-big-thing to get into?
- joakleaf 10y agoSuper slick AR glasses... If they ever arrive.
- davnicwil 10y agoYes, agreed on this. Just for fun, I'll make a prediction on timelines so I can look back on this in 5 years and see how it played out (and probably laugh at myself): Closed VR headsets (maybe some AR, but still bulky headsets) for the next couple of years, with moderate adoption amongst gadget lovers, enough of a market for lots of investment and R&D, but ultimately never make it mainstream. In around 5 years' time, with miniaturisation + battery improvements, the tech eventually evolves into a light, practical and nice-looking AR glasses form-factor which does achieve mainstream adoption and becomes ubiquitous - possibly even replacing the glass-slab smartphone as the primary mobile computing device for a majority of people.
- chubot 10y agoIoT and VR are the obvious technologies that have been introduced after smart phones. They both have significant obstacles in addition to the significant potential. I won't pretend to know how things will pan out -- I agree with the idea that inventing the future is easier than predicting it. I'd like to hear some contrarian thinking against IoT and VR. And maybe a list of "next big things" that weren't. Clean tech might be one of them. I recall some pre-www hype by Bill Gates about the "CD-ROM business", which seems to have been less of a business than a cheap distribution medium. Flip cameras were a blip. This definitely applies: http://paulgraham.com/startupideas.html http://paulgraham.com/startupideas.html "Live in the future and build what seems interesting" People trying to jump on trends are usually too late, because 1) they pick the wrong trend due to lack of fundamental understanding, and 2) It takes years to develop true expertise. The people really profiting from deep learning now were toiling in obscurity 10 years ago. And plenty of people picked a line of AI research 10 years ago that has already fallen out of favor. There's no free lunch: risk and reward go hand in hand.
- nathancahill 10y agoInteresting, the Unlocked option isn't available on the Apple Store right now. Temporary quirk until preorders?
- acdha 10y agoIIRC, with the 6 the unlocked model wasn't available for a couple months but the 6S was available immediately. It was enough that I didn't bother with the 6 because by the time it was available and in stock it was close enough to wait until September.
- nathancahill 10y agoWhat do you'll do if you spend a significant amount of time overseas?
- acdha 10y agoSorry, I think my previous message might have been insufficiently clear: I waited until I could buy an unlocked 6S. Foreign travel was exactly why: last time we were in Iceland, where AT&T didn't even have a service partner but also refused to unlock a long out of contract phone until I escalated. When we dropped them, I didn't want to risk repeating the process.
- snuxoll 10y agoThat's incredibly stupid, I called T-Mobile and my iPhone 6+ was unlocked the next day two months after I started EIP payments on it (did this so I could pop my work-issued Verizon SIM into it while traveling on a business trip, I don't like bringing two phones but I wasn't going to burn through my personal data with tethering since there's always inevitably a fire I have to deal with while traveling).
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- curiousfiddler 10y agoI have a design issue with AirPods. When my earphones (with wire) fall off (and it happens when you're running or doing some other similar activity), I know for sure, that me or someone else accidentally won't crush them, because the wires often prevent them from falling on the floor. I don't know how the current design of AirPods would prevent that.
- freewizard 10y agoexactly same concern. AirPods is certainly not for running bc it's loose and no water resist at all. But you are right even in daily usage, it could fall off and go no where.
- ino 10y agoI don't use in-ear because they've always fallen very easily from my ears, and I always feel like its the wires that are pulling them off. I imagine these new ones would stay better because the lack of weight from the wires. I'm not excited about them though, I don't use headphones outside, and at home I don't need new ones.
- thesmok 10y agoI have a kickstarter idea: make a lanyard that's just a rope with small silicone rings on both ends. Fix the airpods to the rings, put it on the back of your neck, done! They are not going to fall on the floor. Don't forget to pay me 40% of sales for idea.
- aledalgrande 10y agoDoes anyone know more about the cameras on the Plus? Are they synchronized via hardware?
- danra 10y agoSo disappointing they just decided to ignore "touch disease". Bad form.
- rimantas 10y agoYes, because every company introduces new flagman by talking about some diseases. That's a good form.
- danra 10y agoI should have been clearer. I really expected them to announce a free repair for anyone suffering from the issue, not to keep ignoring it like they have so far, even when the problem is obviously effecting many customers.
- sergiotapia 10y agoYou know I was annoyed the audio port being missing but after seeing the new airpods, I'm sold. They look amazing, and will be fantastic to use in the gym. I'm sold. Take my money!
- Retr0spectrum 10y agoEven $160?
- sergiotapia 10y agoYeah no, I won't pay $160. I thought they would be $40 at most. That's ridiculous.
- edgan 10y agoThere are decent $40 bluetooth sport headphones on Amazon.
- asragab 10y agoI look forward to measuring graphics performance in FMPF (Flying Monkeys Per Frame)
- chadlavi 10y agoeveryone: "This does not perfectly fit my current unique use case, so damn it to hell"
- jbmorgado 10y agoPerhaps you could give us anyone use case where removing the headphone jack suits them...
- eriknstr 10y agoI submitted the URL for archival as have a lot of other people done, but what I found strange is that there are archived versions of "page not found" results going all the way back to 2014. http://web.archive.org/web/20160907200621*/http://www.apple.com/iphone-7/ http://web.archive.org/web/20160907200621*/http://www.apple.... Meanwhile, nobody has attempted to archive links for iPhone 8. I guess maybe the IA crawlers found links to the page from elsewhere. Links made either by mistake or by someone making a joke about the release of iPhone 7 back in 2014 and betting on people not actually following the link. I dunno.
- mrb 10y agoWeird. Nowhere is stated the amount of RAM the phone has. Not even http://www.apple.com/iphone-7/specs/ http://www.apple.com/iphone-7/specs/ Wikipedia claims 1GB (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_7). Can't be right?
- Synaesthesia 10y agoDoubt it since the 6S has 2gb.
- ariabuckles 10y agoThey generally don't market the amount of RAM; I had to scour blogs after the SE launch. It seems very unlikely they'd go from 2GB (in the 6S and SE) to 1GB though. Most likely 2GB. I could see 4, but that seems quick on them to increase it compared to usual.
- qaq 10y agoI think Apple needs to add a few younger people to their executive team, because it seams they no longer can even pretend to be exited during the presentation.
- arihant 10y agoI'm seriously not comfortable with getting audio through a digital port that has an authentication chip built in. That's HDCP and DRM for music waiting to burst into life. "Unauthorized playback."
- SysArchitect 10y agoYou mean a DAC, like the iPhone already had built-in to provide you with sound out through the 3.5mm jack?
- bluedino 10y agoEnough about the headphone jack going away - isn't anyone concerned with how big of a deal they made about Pokemon on the Apple watch? Apple looked so uncool and out of it when they continued to talk about it. Half the crowd has forgotten Pokemon Go even existed by this point.
- ihuman 10y agoHow is talking about a game that came out 2 months ago out of it? > Half the crowd has forgotten Pokemon Go The crowd that originally played the game when it came out was gigantic. Even half of that is still a huge number of people.
- dpacmittal 10y ago>How is talking about a game that came out 2 months ago out of it? I think he means to say talking about a game at keynote is not very Apple-ish, considering their luxurious brand image.
- madeofpalk 10y agoApple keynotes used to have like a 30+ minute section devoted to games and other third party apps. Or the time where they demoed a remote-control car on stage (and it failed horrifically). It might not be cool or interesting, but it's fairly standard 'Apple'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnsR-kZUx6o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnsR-kZUx6o
- nathancahill 10y agoWhat part of the demo failed? There was the mirrored video glitch for half a second, but I assume that was on the cameraman.
- Apocryphon 10y agoIf you watched it live, that keynote actually had the car fail for at least a couple of minutes while the makers tried to fix it. I'm sure the videos they have published now edited that lag.
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- coryfklein 10y agoI'm having a hard time seeing the value add on the AirPods that justifies paying ~5x the cost of stock Bluetooth earphones. Siri integration and easier charging is definitely really cool, but not worth paying $120 over regular Bluetooth headphones that will probably be copy cat'ing that functionality in t minus 3, 2, 1...
- _ph_ 10y agoUnless Bluetooth earphones support AAC over Bluetooth, they are going to sound bad on an iPhone. So there is the potential for the Airpods to sound much better than cheaper earphones. Looking at the presentation, they do pack a lot of faszinating technology. So, taking the typical Apple pricing into consideration, I do not think they are especially expensive. Of course, all depends on how good they actually sound.
- fnj 10y agoTo all: it's Lightning [R], not lightening. Go ahead. Call me a nitpicker.
- mulmen 10y agoThank you. Lightening is: Noun: A drop in the level of the uterus during the last weeks of pregnancy as the head of the fetus engages in the pelvis. Verb: [1] To make or become lighter in weight, pressure or sensitivity. [2] To make or become more cheerful or less serious. [3] To make or become lighter or brighter. [4] To emit flashes of lightning; flash with lightning. (rare) None of these things is similar to charging your iPhone.
- modzu 10y agobet they bring back the jack in iphone 8
- sparky_ 10y agoI doubt it, actually. They have a history[1] of removing ports and features which seem unbelievable at the time, and then pushing forward with that decision, however unpopular. 1: Floppy drives, optical drives, MacBook Air ports, etc
- j2bax 10y agoI've never seen Apple backtrack on a decision this substantial. They've weighed all the outcomes, far more than we will probably ever understand and they will not reverse course here. Far more likely, the rest of the industry will follow within a few years.
- walterbell 10y agoTim Cook's John Sculley moment.
- mslot 10y agoI wonder if the 2 cameras can be used as a stereo camera for augmented reality.
- orf 10y agoNo headphone jack, and it still breaks when you drop it. Not worth it.
- kelseydh 10y agoSuccinct. At least the toilet drop is okay now.
- Rezo 10y agoI'm disappointed by how boring the two-camera solution in the 7 Plus is. I was really hoping they were going show something interesting, like fusion of the two sensors through computational photography into one, with better low-light performance and less noise through downsampling. Or take +1 & -1 exposures simultaneously for a greater dynamic range. Instead we got a button to switch from one lens to the other, for a 2x optical zoom. That's it. 99% of the time that second sensor and lens will do absolutely zilch. The computational bokeh appears to only use the 56mm lens for the actual photo, and the other lens to capture a depth map to compute the fake bokeh. This is hardly any better than the existing fake bokeh solutions shown many times before on Androids, Nokias and in iOS apps over the years that do the same, except it's a bit faster. The whole thing feels like just another checkbox feature, with very little actual value.
- baddox 10y agoThe two photos they showed to demonstrate the depth of field effect looked absolutely terrible. The edge of the mask was extremely blurry. It looked like something you could create in a photo editing app in a few seconds by just drawing over the background with a blur brush.
- Rezo 10y agoThat is pretty much exactly what's happening, minus the manual brushing. A depth map and face recognition is used to locate the foreground subject and a heavy blur filter is applied to the background layer. For the same reason we don't have software today that does perfect (or even halfway decent) automatic masking of faces, the edges become a blurry mess. You don't get any of the beautiful out-of-focus point of light scattering, because the lenses are incapable of capturing it.
- rsp1984 10y agoI'm sure they tried to do something fancier with computational photography but probably ran out of time for the release. I'm confident they are going to deliver this in the typical S update next year or even as an OTA.
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- landfall 10y agoI can easily get over lack of a headphone jack. Bluetooth headsets are so much better for comfort, practicality, and other reasons. Also the cables of headphones with jacks tends to brake near the jack. I'm sure it happened to all of us.
- twostorytower 10y agoLooks like they silently killed off the 64GB version :(
- finnh 10y agopicture two friends in a car: "oh hey this music is the jam, let me play it for you." 5 minutes of dicking with bluetooth pairing later: "FUCKING BLUETOOTH GODDAMN IT. welp, never mind" (conversational lull follows)
- mulmen 10y agoI recently went on a trip with several friends and we rented a new Ford Expedition. The integrated audio system in the car supported multiple Bluetooth devices with a history (including previous renters) but as far as I could tell not more than once device at a time. Every time we started the car we had to select Sources -> Bluetooth -> Connect -> ${device name} -> Sources -> Bluetooth -> ${device name}. It was a huge hassle and a 3.5mm cable would have been far easier and sounded better.
- chillacy 10y agoSo one interesting aspect of the airpods is seemingly automatic pairing, without having to dive in settings, through what seems like near-field communication. I'm curious to see if they've solved the multi-device pairing problem too.
- mikeash 10y agoThe thing is, the pairing UI is rarely the problem. It's the actual pairing implementation. Pairing a phone to a car is usually just a few button presses. Not quite as convenient as NFC or whatever, but not a real problem. The problem arises when you find that Pair button and press it and then it doesn't work and provides no feedback on why it failed. Cue five minutes of screwing around turning things off and on again and finally giving up.
- chillacy 10y agoI'm lucky to not have had that experience for initial pairing. I was recently gifted the beats headphones and they've never had an issue like that, though I do have to re-pair with every device which is my main annoyance. I stopped using a BT trackpad because I would get disconnected randomly though, so maybe it comes down to the devices? Also not the first time we've had a chat in HN comments. How's the robot boxing chess league? ;)
- dominotw 10y agoi don't take pictures or live a gregarious life of the people in the promo.
- Pxtl 10y agoI do hope that this will push Bluetooth technology forwards - on my android devices bluetooth audio sound-quality is poor and skips when you launch resource-intensive applications. Also, the UI for syncing and selecting bluetooth devices is generally mediocre and confusing.
- lucb1e 10y agoI have no such issues with my Bluetooth headphones on Cyanogenmod.
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- primitivesuave 10y agoI found the WhatsApp integration the most intriguing part of the announcement. By allowing calls from WhatsApp to also be received, I am assuming they are making the native calling/iMessaging API available to any iOS application. While messaging with iMessage, Facebook messenger, WhatsApp, etc. can be done over WiFi only, calling is traditionally reliant on a cellular provider. The new iPhone only requires a WiFi network, and with the proliferation of WiFi and the first city-wide networks (e.g. Barcelona), it is possible that in the next decade all communication will be done over the Internet. Also, during a recent trip to Japan I saw an $120 SIM card that gives unlimited Internet access for a year. This works out to $10/month, which is far less than what I pay for Verizon. So in a way this new iPhone may eventually cause cellular networks to primarily become providers of remote Internet access, as telephony shifts to the apps that the local people use to connect with each other.
- brobinson 10y ago>I saw an $120 SIM card that gives unlimited Internet access for a year Do you remember which telecom this was?
- primitivesuave 10y agoI went with a Japanese friend to a store called Nojima, which seemed to be the Best Buy equivalent for Japan. There was an entire wall of prepaid SIM cards, and there was a promotion for two 6-month SIM cards for 12,000 yen. I wouldn't have been able to find it had I not been with a Japanese native. I got a 1 month SIM card for 2,200 yen ($22) which still works out to far less than what I pay Verizon. The network name on the top of my iPhone said "docomo".
- perfectfire 10y ago> "docomo" That would be NTT.
- davidf18 10y agoNYC is getting a lot of free WiFi via Google (Alphabet) subsidiary https://www.link.nyc https://www.link.nyc
- lifeformed 10y agoIs this website a terrible viewing experience for anyone else? The videos don't work, and I can't scroll the slideshows unless I flick super fast. I'm on Chrome desktop.
- mwalkerwells 10y agoWhat are they going to do with the 3.5mm audio jacks on Macs? So Apple removes the 3.5mm audio jack from the phone & adds a lightening port to the mac? It makes me imagine how nice it would have been to ditch both the 3.5mm & lightening port & replace it with a USB-C port across product lines. Obviously that would have been even more drastic in many ways, but I can't help but think that they have painted themselves into a strange corner.
- mwalkerwells 10y agoImagine a world where they opened up the lightening spec originally, that that was the USB-C standard.
- DigitalJack 10y agoI wouldn't mind a lighting port instead of the 3.5 mm jack on my mac. My last macbook, the 3.5mm jack was the one thing that failed, surprisingly. It had a tiny switch inside to go between optical and electrical, and that switch would get stuck in the optical position. Basically I couldn't use headphones half the time.
- krisdol 10y ago> What are they going to do with the 3.5mm audio jacks on Macs I imagine the audio industry would revolt.
- krisdol 10y ago> What are they going to do with the 3.5mm audio jacks on Macs I imagine the audio industry would revolt if it was removed.
- rad_gruchalski 10y agoThe premiere of the next mbp next year: "And... We listened to you. We've been hearing that you are upset about not being able to use the same headphones for your computer and iphone 7. We fixed that. We've removed the 3.5mm jack from the new mbp. It's magical."
- tedmiston 10y agoThen they could bring the colored MacBook down to just one port. That could actually be quite nice.
- callalex 10y agoWhy? What's so not-nice about having a headphone port on a laptop?
- nameless912 10y agoOh also, lighting port. For everything. Not USB3, lightning. FUCKYOUEXTERNALMONITORS. But in all seriousness, if they make the port count any lower, the MacBook Pro will cease to be a laptop. It will become an iPad without a touchscreen.
- madeofpalk 10y agoExcept where the iPad Pro actually has _more_ ports than the Macbook (Lightning, 3.5mm, whatever-that-pro-keyboard-magnetic-port-contacts-thingy-is.
- freehunter 10y agoBut the iPad Pro is a pro device. The Macbook isn't. They do have a Macbook pro device, it's call the Macbook Pro, and it has a (relative to Apple's other offerings) ton of ports. 2x USB3, 2x Thunderbolt, 3.5mm, SD card, and HDMI.
- sxcurry 10y agoWell, it's official - Apple has failed again! Doomed I tell you, doomed! Forget the performance enhancements, better battery life, fantastic new cameras, etc, etc - I have to use a new earbud cable. Plus, Jony Ive is going around putting super glue in all the old iPhone audio jacks, so I can't even use my existing earbuds with my existing iPhone. Plus, Apple is charging me $0.00 for the adapter so that I can use my ratty old earbuds with my new phone. Doomed, I tell you.
- jonlucc 10y agoYou jest, but only the first adapter is free. Subsequent adapters will be $9.99.
- yoz-y 10y agoYou can always buy a new iPhone 7 for another free adapter. Joking aside, I think most people won't notice as the new EarPods connect to the Lightning. That is what I mostly see people with iPhones around having.
- mikeash 10y agoSuper extreme nitpick, it's listed at $9.00 on Apple's store: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMX62AM/A/lightning-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMX62AM/A/lightning-to-35-... I must say, I'm a bit shocked at the price. I wouldn't have expected Apple to sell a paperclip for under $19. Their Lightning to USB cable, which seems like it must be strictly simpler than this adapter (no DAC!) costs $19.
- joshschreuder 10y agoHow small are DACs? I was surprised that the new Lightning earbuds basically look identical to the current ones besides the jack. Do they definitely have a DAC built in or is it still in the phone body?
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- OJFord 10y agoRIP scroll. What a nasty web page. It also looks really plastic-y in those renderings.
- sofaofthedamned 10y agoDoes anybody have any technical details on these headphones? Are they Bluetooth or not? Or is it the usual proprietary crap?
- jug 10y agoBluetooth. Explicitly listed here: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMEF2AM/A/airpods http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMEF2AM/A/airpods
- tintor 10y agoNo 3.5" floppy drive on the iPhone 7? What is Apple thinking?
- BuckRogers 10y agoThey just solidified the iPhone SE as the best product they offer. No way to charge the iPhone7 and use wired headphones at the same time. A camera wart so the phone isn't flat like the SE. The loss of extra battery by going with a wart over a thicker, easier to hold phone like the SE. I'll be sticking with my 5S, and my wife is no longer upgrading her 4S to the 7 as we were planning. We love our iPhones, but we do need to replace hers and now looking for non-Apple alternatives since while I prefer the SE over everything on the market, she thought she was going to want the 7 Plus.
- mulmen 10y agoWhy did she think she was going to want the 7 Plus? What is it about the SE that isn't appealing? What is it that she was expecting in the 7 Plus that the 6s Plus doesn't offer? This is an honest question, I have continually upgraded my iPhones for years and this new phone doesn't speak to me either but you are on much older hardware, what about the new phones doesn't speak to you? Personally I am considering a move to the SE because the form factor of the 6/6s is still too big in my opinion and the 7 doesn't seem to offer me anything I actually need or want.
- BuckRogers 10y agoI keep mine in my pocket, I never saw a reason to go back to the 4.7" Android phones that I used for 5 years prior to moving to iOS. 4" is the right size for a phone IMO. I only have notifications enabled for calls and texts, I'm not the type to be into my phone like a fool and look at it while driving, and I only use it for useful purposes. Random Teamviewer access, checking Google News, Feedly, check personal/work email, check deposits/banking. I also have smaller hands, and need to hold onto metal rails as I ride the train and bus. I almost fumble 4.7"+ phones when using them 1-handed. She usually has her purse and uses her phone more than me, essentially as a tablet. Playing games often such as something I've become accustomed to, Cookie Run. It's really preference. She doesn't mind the larger phone and doesn't mind the inconvenient size for day to day use. I'm very letdown the 7(Plus) doesn't have a Lightning port pass-through port on the new charging cables. I can let go of 3.5mm, as I don't have any particularly great investment in headphones, but I can't accept inability to charge and use a wired headset at the same time. I think they will bring in Lightning port pass-through cables with the iPhone7S, but right now want to rake in expensive, more quickly obsolescent (batteries) wireless Beats headphones before they do that. Wireless stuff to me just means 1 more thing that needs charging, and while I do like those LG around-the-neck Bluetooth headsets, I dislike being forced into it if I want to charge my phone and use a headset.
- _superposition_ 10y agoThose won't get lost...
- seizethecheese 10y agoFor comparison, here's how HN reacted to some previous iPhone launches: iPhone 6s: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10193201 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10193201 iPhone 6: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8292029 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8292029 iPhone 5s: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6361558 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6361558 iPhone 5: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4512316 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4512316
- dmix 10y agoThis thread has been getting 2x as many upvotes and comments as the other releases. Interesting. Similarly, this year iPhone SE got even more upvotes (567) than all of these https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11330226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11330226 Maybe due to an upswing in HN traffic? Lack of other news today (it has been slow)? I'm not sure this release was particularly exciting.
- phasmantistes 10y agoLikely also related to the fact that this is arguably the first time than an iPhone release has removed a feature. The highest top-level comment in this thread is about the removal of the headphone jack, and that subthread alone has 644 comments.
- pervycreeper 10y agoIt could be related to increased moderator diligence in culling Apple threads today. Previously, the front page would become clogged the days new models were announced. # of upvotes on single threads is not particularly useful absent more context/ information.
- grandalf 10y agoI've been trying out $49 Android phones lately after using an iPhone 6 Plus for over a year. Android is getting to the point where most users will not really notice a difference between Android and IOS, even on a very inexpensive device.
- randomsearch 10y ago> Android is getting to the point where most users will not really notice a difference between Android and IOS, even on a very inexpensive device. Having had experience recently with top-end Android devices, I'd beg to differ. Functionally an Android device is roughly equivalent to an iOS one, but the design, UI, responsiveness etc. is IMO miles apart. It may be a matter of subjective taste but I would recommend that anyone reading the above and considering switching spent some serious time using Android first.
- grandalf 10y ago> the design, UI, responsiveness etc. is IMO miles apart. This was my perspective too, last year. Moore's Law seems to have made Android's slower approach to smooth UI finally just about as silky as IOS, even on low end hardware.
- stephenr 10y agoThat's great, and in 4 years time the cheap android devices will get the current release.
- grandalf 10y agoThe latest one ($59) comes with Marshmallow.
- alanmeaney 10y agoGenius move by apple. Nothing said 'I'm cool' like the white headphone cables, same effect with new wireless Airpods
- sundvor 10y agoThis comment will probably drown in the deluge, but it'll be interested to see if there market for higher quality Bluetooth DACs just got cracked open a bit. I use a Soundblaster E5 myself; this thing is great.
- gigatexal 10y agoThe lack of the headphone doesn't bother me. I am excited to see what the future holds for digital audio out. I don't care for the airpods though.
- davidf18 10y agoI'm most concerned about voice quality. Any indication that there are more or better quality microphones. Also, I'm concerned about the LTE: on the Verizon network it sounds like they're using the same modem as the Galaxy S7. https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/modems/x12 https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/modems/x12 Is that correct?
- metafunctor 10y agoThe keynote was trying to boast the gaming capabilities with a demo of… 400 monkeys. Weak. Give me 400 monkeys, then 4000 monkeys, then 400 000 monkeys, and now the monkeys are forming a fractal, but the fractal is just the surface of a sphere, and zooming out there are a million spheres, and the spheres form… a monkey. Now THAT's a demo.
- gchokov 10y agohaha very cool :) Gaming push was very lame indeed. All these pokemons, monkeys and even F1.. who cares.
- SunnyDoll 10y agoHere lonely girl looking for fun with the guys http://bit.ly/2cl5OQg http://bit.ly/2cl5OQg
- walterbell 10y agoThe new "collapse subthread" HN feature was very useful for hiding 600+ messages in the headphone jack subthread.
- evan_ 10y agoOne major thing I haven't seen anyone mention about replacing wired headphones with wireless is that as far as I know, you're not supposed to use wireless headphones on a plane. I don't think you'd actually get hassled by a flight attendant but who knows.
- randomsearch 10y agoI've flown over the Atlantic a few times this year, and can confirm that listening via bluetooth was permitted.
- kalleboo 10y agoIf the flight offers Wi-Fi then the plane is certified to let you use Bluetooth as well
- randomsearch 10y agoI have two thoughts on the headphone jack: 1. Most of the use cases being discussed here are irrelevant for the average iPhone user. Charging and listening at the same time is not a thing for most users. I know there are perfectly reasonable scenarios where it is useful, but most people don't care. Regarding battery life: personally, I use my iPhone quite a lot, often with bluetooth headphones, and I have had to charge it only once or twice during the daytime in the last two years. If you play a lot of games, or use GPS intensively for a few hours, then battery life could be an issue. For the average consumer, I don't think it will be a major concern. 2. OTOH, in the last few years headphones have become a very, very big market. They are a huge status symbol for teenagers and early 20-somethings. If you've saved a lot of money to afford a pair in that stage of life, the headphone jack is a big deal. It's not going to be "cool" to carry around an adapter all the time, and regardless people will hear "no headphone jack" and be annoyed. That demographic seems key to me in maintaining Apple's market lead over the long term, i.e. trend-setting young people. Overall, I actually think that (2) will be a very big issue. Whilst I am of the opinion that wires are horrible in general, Apple may have misread its market here.
- gakada 10y ago> Charging and listening is not a thing for most users Many people nowadays don't have a computer -- especially in that big Asia demographic that Apple so loves. If your phone is the only device you own that is capable of playing music, then charging while you listen is often obligatory. Feels to me like Apple has gone to far in designing the iPhone for a particular kind of luxury buyer (who can afford Beats or $159 earbuds) instead of targeting the mass market.
- visarga 10y ago> Many people nowadays don't have a computer especially in that big Asia demographic that Apple so loves. Many people use battery packs, in fact, on a recent trip to Tokyo, I bet almost everyone had a battery pack - it was commonplace to see a little USB wire coming out of the bag and into the phone. And also, many of them used headphones - that would turn out bad when competing for the same power - and strangely, almost everyone had an iPhone 6, so, I don't see how they will manage with the 7. There are so many iPhones in Tokyo that it feels like the Nokia of the 2000's.
- chris_overseas 10y agoFrom the website, big and bold: "iPhone. Now in stereo." Honest question, not having owned an iPhone before - is this really the first iPhone that can produce stereo sound through the speakers? If true, that seems like a crazy thing to advertise given how standard a feature it has been in most phones for so long. On the other hand, if iPhones have had stereo output already, why shout about it now?
- enneff 10y agoIt's stereo in the sense that there's a speaker on the top and bottom of the phone, so that when watching media with the phone in landscape orientation you can hear good stereo audio. I'm not aware of another phone that does this; I'm sure they exist, but it's not a common feature.
- martinflack 10y agoIt's been available for a few years on several Android phones: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Best-phones-with-front-stereo-speakers-2015-edition_id69311 http://www.phonearena.com/news/Best-phones-with-front-stereo...
- rocky1138 10y agoRelevant article: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Best-phones-with-front-stereo-speakers-2015-edition_id69311 http://www.phonearena.com/news/Best-phones-with-front-stereo...
- Zhenya 10y agoSony Xperia Z2 HTC ONE (M8,M9, etc) Nexus 6, 6P I'm sure many others. I can almost see that distortion field works...
- enneff 10y agoI'll admit Apple's marketing is great. I've owned several Nexus devices, but not the 6.
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- breatheoften 10y agoI want a combination wallet+airpod dock+phone battery case. Wallet, airpod dock, retractable lightning connector (to charge iPhone), retractable usb cable (to charge battery). Battery doesn't need to be huge, just enough to get you another 20% or so phone charge -- and I imagine that would be enough battery for a whole lot of airpod recharges.
- gjolund 10y agoI suppose the iPhone7 is nice if you like being told what you need by the largest corporation on the planet.
- sosborn 10y ago> if you like being told what you need I never understood this. Any product you buy is a series of compromises made by the manufacturer.
- bane 10y agoIt's official, Apple is basically resorting to nickle and diming their customers, except instead of nickles and dimes, it's $160 to achieve very basic functionality in order to achieve something that virtually nobody really honestly cares about. All that's been achieved is that Apple has now created/affirmed a new non-optional secondary market that they're now positioned to best sell into (Beats). There's not even the decency to see if people care about a thinner phone by offering both a thin model without a jack and a thicker phone with one (for some strategically important price differential). But honestly, complaints and analysis don't matter, people will line up to buy this garbage and to make it worse it'll become a stupid trend that will bleed over into Android-land and now instead of the perfectly fine $10 headphones I picked up at Big Lots, I'll have to shell out 10x that so I can listen to a podcast on my way to work. edit and they don't even have the respect for their customers to ship their stupid buds on time with the product that requires them...so that their customers can look like bluetooth douchebags from both sides.
- mikeash 10y agoWhat very basic functionality now costs $160?
- bane 10y agoHeadphones
- mikeash 10y agoThat's the price for their wireless headphones. The wired ones are still included. Other wired ones can be used with the adapter, also included. New adapters can be purchased for $9.
- bane 10y agoGo ahead, get this phone. Then think about what I've said here every time you need to buy something you didn't need to buy to use the previous phone. Multiply that by the install base at the time you had to purchase a specialty headphone or extra dongle or a replacement adapter. The only innovation Apple is introducing here is the creation of a completely unecessary but new captive market that they then are best positioned to sell into.
- HeavyStorm 10y agoQuestion: besides a cool accessory (airpods), and a weird double camera thing, what's really pushing forward here? Galaxies have been splash proof for some generations, and Bluetooth phones aren't new (only the design of this one seems to beat everything else). Other than that, only traditional Moores Law advancements, like, more battery, more RAM, more processing power. None of these are enabling techs, in that they don't enable you to do anything that you can't with older devices. So, I guess, update when the old one gives up the ghost?
- msie 10y agoBeing able to collapse comments comes in real handy here! Collapsing the headphone-jack threads...
- Ph0X 10y agoSpeaking of collapsing, does it feel really slow in this thread? It almost feels like their implementation is O(n) where n is the number of comments, and it's really struggling here. I see a very clear 500ms delay here whereas it's instant in most other threads...
- sudeepj 10y agoWouldn't the AirPods will be very easy to lose? What if they drop-off while snoozing. I mean with wired headphones, even if they come out of the ear (say while sleeping on a long travel) they are still attached to the phone and hence cannot lose them.
- alberthartman 10y agoSteve jobs is dead. It shows.
- jcoffland 10y agoMehhhh... Who cares?
- Animats 10y agoYawn. Here's an ad for the 1957 Chevrolet Bel-Aire. (Available "with two four-barrel carburetors!" Two-tone paint! Tailfins!) There's about as much difference between the new IPhone and the N-1 model as there was between the 1956 and 1957 Chevys. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-HelvOG5RE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-HelvOG5RE
- malloryerik 10y agoWhat about the mic for voice calls?
- jug 10y agoSurprised to see them not move from Lighting to USB-C with this. Now we'll have a new generation of EarPods that won't fit their new generation of MacBooks. It seems disjointed for how coherent a company like Apple tends to be, now that they had the opportunity to unite their product line better with purely digital audio. Was USB-C supposed to be their future or not...? It sounded like it when they introduced the MacBook. Do their teams communicate well with a lack of strife?
- SerialBusiness 10y agoThe most important thing is missing... PRICE
- gchokov 10y agoLet me say it simply, contrary to many others.. I am buying one.
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- tempodox 10y agoAnd destroying the headphone market with yet another incompatible plug. Count me out.
- MrLeftHand 10y agoGreat, now they have a phone with double camera wart and no jack. Also what's up with Apple being so obsessed about pictures? I know you want to have the nude selfie in the toilet to be the best as possible, but come on! And everything revolves around fitness. People wont get up from their bum, just because their watch tells them to. And the other who already do fitness don't need a watch to tell them how fit they are. They already know. Because they can feel it. And I almost forgot that having now two different types of back casing is a feature apparently. Last but not least, Apple is still ignoring the cries of millions of users about the battery life. That majority of the people would trade in the slim design for days worth of juice. Who cares about paper thin phones when you have to put them into a case with extra battery within it to have it powered through the day? Who cares about the seamless Jet Black casing when you put the phone into an ugly plastic case? It looks like 'Form Over Function' again for Apple. Good job apple, this is probably the most uninteresting keynote ever. Except for the people dancing in stockings at the end.
- gruturo 10y ago> Also what's up with Apple being so obsessed about pictures? It's a very, very, very common and important use case for the phone. The iPhone has been for many years the "most popular camera in the world" according to pretty much any metric and any website (Flickr, Instagram, you name it). They can't keep substantially improving how well it makes phone calls, only tiny incremental improvements happen in that field, but they do frequently have newsworthy changes to the camera, and they know it's a hugely important aspect for the iPhone audience, so they make sure to tell you about it - be it Harry Potter photos, a Backside Illuminated CMOS sensor, more megapixels, better aperture, one more sensor sticking out from a random side, etc.
- MrLeftHand 10y agoI understand this. As the first cameras were introduced in mobiles the trend is still on the rising. Also I haven't said that they should improve the the quality of the calls. We are talking about smartphones, there are hundreds of other thing to be improved or added. I'm not saying they're not adding or upgrading other features, but it really feels like the biggest selling point is the camera now. Like last year trying to sell 3 second videos as live photos.
- 72deluxe 10y agoThe TMobile/Google G1 I had used to have no headphone jack and relied on an adapter. It was really annoying. One point about the stereo speakers is that you'd need to put your face/nose right next to the phone to appreciate the stereo, surely?
- coldtea 10y agoI think the only people that are annoyed with the camera bulge (a functional bulge if there ever was one) are people with OCD -- it "ruins" the perfectly straight edge. It's not like you'll ever feel it in your pocket or something. Meanwhile, just a decade or so ago most phones had camera bulges, edge bulges, antennas that stretched out from the body, were 3-4 times the thickness, etc.
- pankaj_k 10y agoIf there's so much courage, they should remove them jacks from their macbooks also ;)
- salomelunarojas 10y agoA lot of people here complaining about the lack of a headphone jack. You have to try wireless headphones.
- nikon 10y agoReally boring and hard to justify the cash. Wish I had a 6S so I could keep it for a year or so... I have iOS 10 right now and it's quite laggy on my 6. Regarding the comments about how do I charge and listen, I accidentally found this dock[0]. Not sure if it's a new product. [0] http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MNN62/iphone-lightning-dock-black?fnode=42 http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MNN62/iphone-lightning-doc...
- exodust 10y agoI wish people would care for the environment more and keep their phones and devices for longer. Even the packaging mostly ends up in landfill. There is something unhealthy about "shiny new toys" released every year that we must have according to the media's frenzy of Apple advertising.
- ksec 10y agoAbsolutely amazing HN thread, 1711 comment as of now and less then 10 are on A10 SoC? It is truly a astonishing, how they manage to use the same TSMC 16nm, and get 40% single core performance increase. The rumors is the same SoC core from A9 but 40% higher clock speed from 1.8Ghz to 2.6Ghz, while keeping the same thermal envelop. Some people were wondering if these Smartphone CPU can easily scale up the clockspeed. Turns out it can. And the performance could now exceed the baseline performance of Macbook. i.e, Apart from compatibility reason, there is no longer a case for Apple to continue and use Intel CPU. A Quad Core A10 may even outrun the current Macbook Pro given the similar TDP.