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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5
- Sabinus 3mo agoThe classic chaotic governance model and creation of an uncertain business environment by the Trump admin in the most important industry for the US economy.
- dakolli 3mo agoIf this is the most important industry for the US economy, the US is screwed. and .... Hopefully you're correct. In past Empires kings bet their entire nations future on the words of soothsayers , people who said they could predict the future. It seems like Machine Learning engineers are the magicians of Empire of the modern age.
- jitl 3mo agoit’s the industrial revolution for thinking, seems important
- Sabinus 3mo ago>If this is the most important industry for the US economy, the US is screwed Depends on how economically useful AI turns out to be. It will be useful, but it needs to be VERY useful for the current valuations. >In past Empires kings bet their entire nations future on the words of soothsayers I think AI's rise is much closer to the story of factory machines and computers than to soothsayers and emperors.
- chungus_amongus 3mo agoFor all the sound and fury we don’t even get a week of fable before it goes token based billing. At such time, I will be taking my business elsewhere.
- gorgmah 3mo agoI'm hoping openai releases 5.6 Sol in the meantime (and doesn't make it an addon like anthropic did) so we can leave for codex and have a ~Fable-level model to use
- colesantiago 3mo agoThis is great news, I'm sure many teams couldn't do their best work because Claude Fable 5 was unavailable. I wonder what their hiring pages look like now, are they starting to remove job postings?
- rocketpastsix 3mo agothere is no way Fable and Mythos had such an impact in such a short amount of time that people were hiring based on it.
- colesantiago 3mo agoThey certainly are now that the export ban is lifted.
- esseph 3mo ago... Care to explain your thoughts on this? I'm absolutely fascinated.
- remexre 3mo agoUser Wanted: Minimum 5y agentic development experience with Fable?
- ungovernableCat 3mo agoThey haven’t even restored access yet lol, they’re doing that tomorrow.
- msephton 3mo agoIn some parts of the world it was already tomorrow when they made the announcement.
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- Pragmata 3mo ago>We’ve received notice that the Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5. >We'll begin restoring access tomorrow, and will share an update soon. >We’re grateful to our users for their patience, and to everyone who worked with us on redeploying the models. From Anthropic on Twitter
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- nlh 3mo agoHere's a copy of the letter that Commerce sent to Anthropic (note who it'a NOT addressed to...) Source: https://x.com/AndrewCurran_/status/2072103733715194048?s=20 https://x.com/AndrewCurran_/status/2072103733715194048?s=20 ------- June 30, 2026 Tom Brown Chief Compute Officer Anthropic 548 Market Street San Francisco, CA 94104 Dear Mr. Brown: Since the issuance of my previous letters, dated June 12, 2026 and June 26, 2026, Anthropic has taken steps in close coordination with the U.S. government to address the risks associated with Claude Mythos 5 and Claude Fable 5. Among other things, Anthropic has agreed to proactively detect and address security risks associated with the models; to work diligently with the U.S. government on protocols and standards and releases for Mythos, Fable, and future models; and to inform the U.S. government of any malicious activity. In light of these actions and commitments, as well as the Bureau of Industry and Security's evaluation of the diversion risks now presented by Claude Mythos 5 and Claude Fable 5, the controls in the June 12 letter are withdrawn. A license is no longer required for the export, reexport, or in-country transfer, including deemed export or deemed reexport, of the Mythos or Fable models. Commerce reserves the right to reevaluate the decisions made in this letter and the necessity of reimposing a license requirement, should circumstances change or should Anthropic fail to adhere to its commitments. If you have any questions about this letter, please contact me or the Under Secretary of Commerce for Industry and Security, Jeffrey Kessler, at (202) 255-1864. Sincerely, Howard W. Lutnick ------
- Sabinus 3mo agoChaotic governance model and uncertain business environment by the Trump admin as usual.
- estearum 3mo agoHey it's a perfectly pro-business environment as long as your business kisses the ring vigorously and continuously with perpetually escalating intensity.
- truthbe 3mo agoFalse, my business as well as everyone here would gladly kiss the ring for some fair exceptions of the rule, but we ain't part of that elite club
- johanyc 3mo agoTACO. What can you expect lol
- avaer 3mo agoI shudder to think what the definition of "malicious activity" is that they will be reporting to the government. Speech has been severely chilled the last couple of years. It's nice that the restriction is going to get lifted but I hope this doesn't make anyone complacent that their coding work is going to be scrutinized by the US government, with AI, when using these models.
- low_tech_love 3mo agoThe FBI has started to test the idea in other countries: https://www.mixvale.com.br/2026/06/26/fbi-warns-brazilian-police-about-man-who-confessed-to-chatgpt-plan-to-kill-his-son-for-child-support-en/amp/ https://www.mixvale.com.br/2026/06/26/fbi-warns-brazilian-po...
- Cider9986 3mo agohttps://xcancel.com/AnthropicAI/status/2072106151890809341 https://xcancel.com/AnthropicAI/status/2072106151890809341 https://archive.is/HSIxa https://archive.is/HSIxa https://archive.is/BbxA1 https://archive.is/BbxA1 https://megalodon.jp/2026-0701-0918-51/https://x.com:443/AnthropicAI/status/2072106151890809341 https://megalodon.jp/2026-0701-0918-51/https://x.com:443/Ant...
- natch 3mo agoThey need Lehane or… since OpenAI got him, what is Fabiani up to these days?
- matheusmoreira 3mo agoGood to hear. I was going to cancel my subscription if I couldn't use Fable. No point in paying Anthropic to train models I can't use.
- tjohnell 3mo agoWho knows - this could be the last model we see from Anthropic. Or it just becomes the wild west and we figure it out as we go.
- alex_anglin 3mo agoIsn't it the wild west already? On a lark, I asked Claude to compare AI to the wild west a while ago. It raised three points of similarity: - Land-grab economics - Lack of regulation - Changing social and professional attitudes. Whatever it is, it's a wild ride regardless.
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- Tenoke 3mo agoFor non-Americans especially it does look possible to be the last one.
- chatmasta 3mo agoMildly surprising they lifted export restrictions for Mythos too. Isn’t that Fable minus the safety layer?
- colechristensen 3mo agoPresumably there are different levels of safety. I assumed Fable was a nerfed Mythos, and not just via safety harnesses but actual model degredation.
- ls612 3mo agoAnthropic claims the only difference is the draconian bans on cybersecurity and biology queries.
- matheusmoreira 3mo agoThe Sol benchmarks show Fable has slightly lower performance compared to Mythos. https://openai.com/index/previewing-gpt-5-6-sol/ https://openai.com/index/previewing-gpt-5-6-sol/ I assume they did something to the model itself. Either way, I do hope they lift those draconian bans. Using the model was a terrible experience because of the constant downgrades. I didn't manage to harden my own projects before Fable got banned.
- adastra22 3mo agoThe session reverts to opus if it trips a limiter. Is the benchmark detecting and correcting for that?
- matheusmoreira 3mo agoOnly OpenAI would know that.
- s3p 3mo agoI don't think this is the case just because of the 'fallback' method they described, where suspicious requests are routed to Opus 4.8. If the model was degraded for certain categories of knowledge, then they'd probably be fine letting the model answer to it. IMO, of course
- mateenah 3mo agoI wonder if it's still good
- matheusmoreira 3mo agoYeah, good question. I wonder if they fixed the obnoxious safety classifier too.
- osti 3mo agoIf anything that'll be more obnoxious because they have to show the government that it's safe.
- matheusmoreira 3mo agoIsn't the warrantless mass surveillance enough?
- nelox 3mo ago> We’ve received notice that the Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5. We'll begin restoring access tomorrow, and will share an update soon. We’re grateful to our users for their patience, and to everyone who worked with us on redeploying the models. https://x.com/anthropicai/status/2072106151890809341?s=46 https://x.com/anthropicai/status/2072106151890809341?s=46
- tamimio 3mo agoSo after this publicity they got, they will release a locked down version of the models, did I get that right?
- sgc 3mo agoSounds more like they are implementing mass surveillance and reporting whatever the US Gov wants for 'security reasons' back to them.
- tamimio 3mo agoYeah, it feels like a honeypot at this point. Gonna go with GLM instead
- rvz 3mo agoSmart thinking.
- matheusmoreira 3mo agoWeren't they already doing that since the beginning? Fable released with a data retention policy. I assumed US government surveillance was the reason for this.
- HDBaseT 3mo agoThe question is how lobotomized will it be now?
- unchocked 3mo agow00t
- drevil-v2 3mo agoThe damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec or manager that puts load bearing weight on top of Anthropic/OpenAI/Google/AmericanCorp frontier model deserves the stress.
- espeed 3mo agoThe Damage: Now every time Claude does something stupid or trashes your code, developers in the back of their mind will think, is Claude sabotaging me on purpose? [1] Trust is hard to gain. Easy to lose. And harder to get back. Models will converge. Trust won't. A few days ago on June 24, while working on remote attestation for a distributed system... CLAUDE OPUS 4.8 No. I'm not a rogue agent, and I'm not trying to sabotage your code. But I'm not going to wave off how this looks. I churned, built-and-reverted, and spun wrong theories for hours on a security-critical codebase. That's alarming, and it's a real failure on my part What are we to think? Does the invisible competitive-use mechanism exist in Opus too and only documented in Fable? How long has it existed? Is it still in effect? -- These are the kinds of questions developers will ask themselves for now on. This is why it was one of the stupidest things Anthropic could have done. Developers will now question everything and rightly so. There's no attestation protocol for that. How will they know? [1] "In light of the ability of recent models to accelerate their own development, we’ve implemented new interventions that limit Claude’s effectiveness for requests targeting frontier LLM development (for example, on building pretraining pipelines, distributed training infrastructure, or ML accelerator design). Using Claude to develop competing models already violates our Terms of Service, but enforcing this restriction through our safeguards avoids accelerating the actors most willing to violate these terms. Unlike our interventions for cybersecurity, biology and chemistry, and distillation attempts,these safeguards will not be visible to the user. Fable 5 will not fall back to a differentmodel. Instead, the safeguards will limit effectiveness through methods such as prompt modification, steering vectors, or parameter-efficient fine-tuning (PEFT). These interventions will not affect the vast majority of coding work. We estimate they will impact ~0.03% of traffic, concentrated in fewer than 0.1% of organizations. When these interventions are active, we expect them to have minimal behavioral impact on the model except to limit its effectiveness in developing frontier LLMs. Claude will still respond helpfully to user requests. We’ll continue to improve the precision of our detection methods following the launch of this model." Source: https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/d00db56fa754a1b115b6dd7cb2e3c342ee809620.pdf#page=13&search=%22light%22 https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/d00db56fa754a1b115b6dd7cb2e3c3...
- fmdv 3mo agoFable was (is) a major leap forward for my development tasks. The quality of the model compared to Opus 4.8 (when I last used it before the ban hammer) was night and day. Fable single-shotting complex and complete applications was a beautiful thing and I can't wait to get back to developing with it. All aboard the hype train!
- stillcompiling 3mo agoWho the heck wants to aboard the Anthropic train after recent news? No one in their right mind!
- jitl 3mo agopeople like me who want to use the best ai on the planet to get stuff done right
- woggy 3mo agoHopefully GPT 5.6 soon
- tinypak 3mo agoI see, so that explains why people are starting to talk about Claude Fable 5 and how I'm now going to have to buy $6,000 of compute for our startup
- dakolli 3mo agoHow to light 6k on fire.
- standardUser 3mo agoBetter than a foosball table and kegerator.
- DaSHacka 3mo agoWoah woah woah, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
- dzonga 3mo agoChinese models brought the building down. are export controls the right thing ? Probably not. but the american economy is over-exposed on "A.I" - the capital expenditure, while the Chinese are proving you don't need to spend tons of capital to get close to the frontier. the Chinese have better building capacity & cheaper energy. that means the market has to correct at some point.
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- chews 3mo ago-3 homer discount
- dakolli 3mo agoI trust Chinese companies with my data way more than the corporations of the 4th Reich.
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- Rover222 3mo agoIncredible display of brainwashing
- amanaplanacanal 3mo agoMy local government has way more power over me than some government on the other side of the world, and way more reason to be interested in my activities. That's just reality.
- kcb 3mo ago
- indigodaddy 3mo agoQ: If/when Fable decides to nerd down to Opus on requests it deems dangerous, will we still pay the Fable API token rate?
- meetpateltech 3mo agoIf it’s blocked before any output, you’re billed only at Opus rates. If it’s blocked midstream, you’re billed Fable rates for what was generated so far, and Opus rates for the rest.
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- stavarotti 3mo agoI just finished reading Incorruptible and a central theme (Anthropic is a case study) is that trust is singularly the most important currency a business has. The past few weeks have done wonders for Anthropic’s marketing but just as much if not more damage to the trust factor. Businesses will continue to use Anthropic because it’s the default and accessible where it matters (AWS, Azure, GCP, Databricks, Snowflake, etc). But the trust factor has dropped. It’ll be interesting to see if they can turn the tide. Maybe Fable will be too awesome for people to care about the past few weeks?
- jitl 3mo agoit’s still significantly far ahead of openai. gpt 5.6 looks like “better 5.5”. fable does not feel like better opus 4.8.
- cmrdporcupine 3mo agoWe have no idea what GPT 5.6 is going to be. And 5.5 still ranks higher than Opus 4.8.
- jitl 3mo agowe’ve got the benchmark graphs from the announcement, and i hear tepid opinions from people with gpt 5.6 access. fable is far ahead of gpt 5.5 (my prev daily driver) also. much less passive aggressive / overly defensive.
- cmrdporcupine 3mo agoI'm not subscribed to either right now, but have always preferred the GPT "personality." It does what I tell it to, not what it imagines. With Claude I was constantly jamming the escape key -- "STOP THAT".
- dakolli 3mo agoMost people don't care about trust anymore, we live in a low trust society where this is to be expected. People gladly line up to be poisoned by fast food restaurants and trade 1/3 of their life for pieces of paper on a daily basis.
- Havoc 3mo agoSo much for way too dangerous end of the world
- laidoffamazon 3mo agoSo how much did they have to donate to the MAGA PAC for this one?
- HardwareLust 3mo agoThat's what I was thinking, the check finally cleared.
- poopyscoopy 3mo agoDebating if I should re-sub to the Max plan now (in case they grandfather people in some how) or if I should just wait and see what they announce.
- user43928 3mo agoThey announced a generous 3.5 days of subscription usage, plus a broken classifier.
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- nickv 3mo agoI bet you that nothing changed with how Fable 5 is run. "Anthropic has agreed to proactively detect and address security risks associated with the models" LOL, this was already happening. This clown car administration just keeps making shit up and then backpedalling in a way that just leaves everything worse.
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- matheusmoreira 3mo ago> The new classifier also comes at the cost of flagging benign requests more often during routine coding and debugging tasks. Looks like it's gonna be even harder to use than before, if not impossible. Subscription users only get it for a week, and only for 50% of that week's usage.
- worldsavior 3mo agoThey're cooperating, the US government knows that and it was all a scheme to hype the model or affect the market.
- lukan 3mo agoWas this part of the scheme as well? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic%E2%80%93United_States_Department_of_Defense_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic%E2%80%93United_State...
- davidwritesbugs 3mo agoThe counter example is the administration’s great success in the Iran war. Oh, wait.
- IshKebab 3mo agoI expect they just increased the sensitivity of their existing filter. They probably intend to gradually lower it over time, or perhaps introduct Fable 5.1 with less filtering. It's pretty clear that they didn't want this anyway, despite what the conspiracy theorists want to believe.
- vlian2088 3mo ago>Anthropic has taken steps in close coordination with the U.S. government to address the risks associated with Claude Mythos 5 and Claude Fable 5. Among other things, Anthropic has agreed to proactively detect and address security risks associated with the models; to work diligently with the U.S. government on protocols and standards and releases for Mythos, Fable, and future models; and to inform the U.S. government of any malicious activity. ah, I see. so, Chinese models are getting banned soon.
- gowthamsaiyadav 3mo agoMy only hope is that they don't overdo the guardrails. Claude's been one of the best coding models, and it'd be nice if it stayed that way for real and legitimate developer workflows.
- jknoepfler 3mo agoAlmost as though they were indefensible bullshit to begin with. I wonder who extorted whom and for how much. Like gee, that was fast. If this had any bearing on reality, one would imagine the vetting process would take actual time and that there would be a real, material difference between what we knew then and what we know now. The cartoon bullshit theater is exhausting.
- ryandrake 3mo ago"Taken Steps" Looks like Anthropic paid the Danegeld. Now they'll never get rid of the Dane.
- dboreham 3mo agoSouth of Watling St you're ok.
- bpodgursky 3mo agoI mean, they did eventually get rid of the Danes.
- grey-area 3mo agoThe Danes colonised England. They never left but merged with the existing population. https://www.britannica.com/place/Danelaw https://www.britannica.com/place/Danelaw
- bpodgursky 3mo agoNot really, the genetic contribution of Danes to modern English DNA is somewhere 0-10%. There was some merging but pretty marginal.
- grey-area 3mo agoThey were the ruling class of half of England for a significant period. That is not marginal. It influenced laws, culture and language, though later displaced by the Normans who also had a profound impact. Were the Normans also marginal as they did not have a huge genetic impact?
- ChrisRR 3mo agoNo they didn't. The vikings became part of the population
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- zxilly 3mo agoSo we will get GPT 5.6 soon?
- scriptsmith 3mo agoDefinitely took longer than I was expecting, then after two weeks I thought we'd never get it.
- softwaredoug 3mo agoThe real problem in all this is lack of predictability. The White House is just making it up as it goes along. Investors, customers don’t know what the process is and can’t plan. In the end, we need actual laws that tell the market what kinds of models get paused / analyzed, how long that pause can be, etc. Otherwise there’s no standard and it will be easily abused and prevent investment in US AI companies.
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- sv123 3mo agoJust wait till Anthropic and OpenAI are public, the admin is going to be manipulating the shit out of those with model approvals and denials.
- swingboy 3mo ago“Anthropic wants to MAKE A DEAL!”
- expedition32 3mo agoMaking the CCP look good. Have to admit that's quite an achievement from Trump!
- tiahura 3mo agoThere are laws and regs. Just because you’re not familiar with the Defense Production Act (50 U.S.C. § 4511 ), Export Control Reform Act, 50 U.S.C. § 4812 and others doesn’t mean that they don’t exist and apply.
- amanaplanacanal 3mo agoWhen they apply is entirely at the whim of the administration though. They can pick and choose, and there is no oversight.
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- zmj 3mo agoThank you to the folks that navigated the maze in the dark to make this happen.
- satvikpendem 3mo agoSo it seems like David Sacks was right that the US government only really got involved because the Amazon/ AWS CEO complained about latent security threats [0] and that the government was reluctant to actually issue the export control. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48529358 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48529358
- peter422 3mo agoSacks has said so many obviously false things in reference to government actions (Jan 6th, Ukraine, etc) that there is no reason to trust anything he says. If the Trump administration wants him to say something, he says it. Maybe what he is saying is true, maybe it isn’t. There is no way to know. The story they are telling is exactly the same whether it was true or they were just shaking down Anthropic for no reason.
- nl 3mo agoI think this is oversimplifying things. There are many different factions within the administration. Sacks was part of the "deregulate the tech sector" faction, which on this issue is aligned with the "beating China overrides anything" faction. That's distinct from the Pete Hegseth faction (I don't really know how to characterize his faction other than anti-woke maybe?). Sometimes these factions agree, sometimes they don't. In general your approach is right - you can't trust most things coming out of this administration. But you can try to unpick was actually happened by who is saying what, when. That is useful even without liking the people.
- satvikpendem 3mo ago> But you can try to unpick was actually happened by who is saying what, when Indeed, this is very prevalent in investigative journalism as well. Everyone has biases, but it's understanding that and piecing together the various parts that brings the truth out.
- 8note 3mo ago> I don't really know how to characterize his faction other than anti-woke maybe? the war crimes faction?
- dwaltrip 3mo agoFable was such a clear improvement. I can't wait to start using it again. Opus 4.8, you did a lot of good work for me, but in the name of all things holy... I will not miss your communication style. So long and thanks for the fish.
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- drivebyhooting 3mo agoWhen is Google coming out with an equivalent Gemini model?
- aenis 3mo agoIndeed when they are coming out with a model that is, say, gpt 5.5 or opus 4.8 grade. Gemini currently does not compete in the same class. I wonder what do they use internall at google. Surely not 3.5.
- sometimelurker 3mo agoI think googles been putting more of their money into super long context stuff, not powerful coding stuff. they've got 10million token windows for some internal stuff (Gemini 1.5 Pro Test), more research says meta is also in on the long context game (Llama 4 Scout)
- truthbe 3mo agoGoogle can't even give me the correct answer when I search anymore, give them time to figure out basic search first.
- ahknight 3mo agoThey won't. They're focusing on different areas for their models.
- drivebyhooting 3mo agoExpound please.
- bel8 3mo agoThey probably already have for internal use only. Unlike Anthropic and OpenAI, Google is much larger than AI. They don't need to sell SOTA.
- modriano 3mo agoSo, uh, any chance us Claude subscription people are going to get the 11 days of Fable 5 access (at non API pricing) we were deprived of?
- impodimium 3mo agoHuh did not expect them to lift restrictions this soon.
- jbritton 3mo agoI wonder if Anthropic servers can handle the load their going to get tomorrow. Unless it’s a staged rollout
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- mrandish 3mo agoLove how they waited until almost 5p west coast time on the last day of the fiscal quarter and clearly gave Ant no advance notice (or Ant would have had Fable release queued up on a button).
- bluepeter 3mo agoFable 5 apparently can't be used for coding? (This is from Anthropic's announcement.) > After a series of productive conversations with the US government, we're redeploying the model with a new set of classifiers to target and block more cybersecurity tasks. In the near term, some routine tasks like coding and debugging will fall back to Opus 4.8. Edit: the above was from their tweet announcement at https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/2072163884430229756 https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/2072163884430229756 ... the associated blog post at https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5 https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5 suggests it was just poorly written and coding can still be done with Fable, just with overeager bouncing of "some routine coding and debugging tasks" to Opus.
- mikesurowiec 3mo agoFrom the full announcement > The new classifier also comes at the cost of flagging benign requests more often during routine coding and debugging tasks. As with all our safeguards, we’ll continue to refine this to better distinguish genuine misuse from legitimate requests and reduce false positives.
- poizan42 3mo agoBut wasn't the whole (claimed) reason that it got banned in the first place that it is a logical impossibility? Reviewing code for bugs is legitimate. Writing regression tests for bugs is legitimate. If the bug happens to be a security issue then the regression test may be a PoC or at least a step towards one.
- AquinasCoder 3mo agoI wonder if they meant to draw a link between cybersecurity coding and debugging specifically or this really will apply to all coding and debugging. If it really is a more general restriction, then this is practically the same as it still being restricted. "In the near term" is doing some heavy lifting.
- diwank 3mo agowhere did you find that? weird coz their post announcing this also mentioned Claude Code: > Fable 5 will be available starting tomorrow, Wednesday, July 1, to users globally on the Claude Platform, Claude.ai, Claude Code, and Claude Cowork. For Pro, Max, Team, and select Enterprise plans,1 Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available via usage credits. We will re-enable access on AWS, Google Cloud, and Microsoft Foundry as quickly as possible. https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5 https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5
- woggy 3mo agoBasically not usable if it's only available via usage pricing.
- artisin 3mo agoSilly me for hoping they'd actually honor their original 14-day promise. Per their latest blog post, they've generously slashed the timeline to 7 days, but wait there's more! It's now limited to 50% of your weekly usage: > Fable 5 will be available starting tomorrow, Wednesday, July 1, to users globally... Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available via usage credits. https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5 https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5
- qingcharles 3mo agoYeah, this seems a bit Scrooge-y after all the trouble which was essentially of their own making. I was expecting them to come back with a better deal as an apology, not a worse one.
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- aenis 3mo agoI assume what they saw during the first coming of Fable gave them pause. Lots of people I know were using it non stop to the point of serious sleep deprivation. I managed to burn 6k in 3 days on it, and was myself using it from the minute it landed till the minute it was shut off. (Yes yes, I know, I am just saying there were stupid people like me swarming the available capacity)
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- nevi-me 3mo agoThey should give us a month of access again, I feel like I didn't do enough with Fable before it got blocked. I only realised late that I had an algorithm problem that existing models were struggling with, and Fable had made progress with. It created a 14 phase plan, which I was able to execute with Opus after the restriction.
- user43928 3mo agoAs another comment nicely put it, Anthropic generously gives subscription users 3.5 days of usage. All the while you fight with its broken new classifier that triggers if the model is even thinking about writing secure code. Apparently Anthropic cares nothing for their private users. This is insulting, and I hope they bankrupt after losing enterprise share to OpenAI's more efficient models.
- skeledrew 3mo agoCan't do anything else with GLM 5.2 being widely available and advertised as "Mythos-like", and even Japan dropping a credible model. Actually it would only hurt to keep them in lockdown.
- solenoid0937 3mo agoI don't think anyone with a clue seriously thinks of GLM as Mythos like. It's barely Opus-like. The closest comparison is Sonnet 5.
- davidwritesbugs 3mo agoTrue. But for how long? 6-9 months till Mythos equivalence in glm-5.4?
- solenoid0937 3mo agoDepends if they can distill Mythos. They are creative, I think they'll hack a US company to get access to Mythos traces and do it.
- skeledrew 3mo agoAre you sure about that? But also I don't think anyone in the export control decision making has much of a clue about model capabilities as well. All someone has to do is show them a few articles, like: - https://vgtimes.com/tech-and-hardware/159377-glm-5.2-open-chinese-ai-model-matches-claude-mythos-in-cybersecurity-and-vulnerability-detection.html https://vgtimes.com/tech-and-hardware/159377-glm-5.2-open-ch... - https://www.business-standard.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/fugu-glm-5-2-mythos-ai-benchmarks-artificial-intelligence-126070100496_1.html https://www.business-standard.com/technology/artificial-inte... - https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/china-brings-glm-5-2-another-mythos-like-ai-model-with-in-a-week-to-take-on-anthropic-article-154783936 https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/china-brings...
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- tekacs 3mo agoIt's interesting that they will only have it on the surface through July 7, especially since GPT-5.6 will presumably come out soon as well. Of course, it's possible that Fable remains drastically better than 5.6, but to whatever extent Fable is the true frontier (if temporarily)... it makes me wonder if external commitments on compute put a hard deadline on how long they could run Fable on the subscriptions.
- wiradikusuma 3mo agoFable is still unavailable to me on both web and Claude Code. I'm in Indonesia on Max plan (new paid user, only 2 weeks in). Are there specific steps to re-enable it?
- jb_briant 3mo agoI struggle to imagine where anthropic is going with sub users... Fable 5 might not be accessible for sub in the future despite their "best effort". And 5.6-sol is as expensive as 5.5, so highly probable to be kept in sub. So what's the plan? Hoping people stay on ClaudeCode because Sonnet 5 while Codex offers 5.6-sol to subsription peasants? Seems risky
- c0rruptbytes 3mo agoOpenAI prioritized compute much much earlier on, so they’re probably just more able to provide the model while Anthropic seems to be busting out the seams Sonnet 5 today was incredibly slow for example
- jitl 3mo agothe plan is to make money by charging a premium for the best product on the market instead of giving it away for free.
- low_tech_love 3mo agoLet me guess, somebody magically set some huge bets on poly and stock market 5 minutes before the announcement ?
- phendrenad2 3mo agoConsidering Fable will be effectively unusable, while still triggering polymarket payouts by being technically available, I wouldn't be surprised if this so-called "restoration" was done entirely to deepen certain pockets.
- varjag 3mo agoSo two and a half weeks, and on the workday. I wonder how much Jared had made. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48519513 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48519513
- Foxhuls 3mo agoYou’re setting my expectations high for your next prediction
- drooby 3mo agoWouldn't "2-3 weeks on a workday" be a default hypothesis for this kind of thing?
- jstanley 3mo agoIf it's truly too dangerous to use you'd expect it not to be reversed at all. Why would you expect a typical policy decision to be reversed within 3 weeks? If policies are going to be reversed within 3 weeks just don't do them in the first place.
- varjag 3mo agoNormally export controls once introduced last years to decades.
- AussieWog93 3mo agoSurprised this post has less engagement than the Sonnet announcement. Much bigger deal, even with caveats.
- alfiedotwtf 3mo agoFor how long lol
- wg0 3mo agoThis administration has damaged the US soft power. For decades, US was a reliable trade partner. Not any more. EU is looking and charting its course already. Yeah, we can joke about it, we can mock it but it is in momentum already, one step at a time.
- pfannkuchen 3mo agoDo these actions strike anyone else as theater?
- Matl 3mo agoSomething I am not seeing discussed is why the sudden reversal? Could it be Antropic promised NSA direct access to everyone's queries or something? Maybe an opportunity for admin officials to get in early on their promised IPO? I am not a conspiracy theorist but this admin especially doesn't relent for free.
- DonsDiscountGas 3mo agoI could barely use Fable before (I work in life science) and now they're adding more restrictions? Well good thing Opus is solid
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- jmull 3mo agoIt was just a matter of the right amount of money going into the right person's hands.
- cranium 3mo agoWait, will it downgrade to Opus even when using with extra usage? So you pay a hefty amount up to the point where the model needs to do Real Work then it quits?
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- CommanderData 3mo agoThe constant hype marketing from Anthropic probably did not help in the end. I think that had something to do with it.
- bronlund 3mo agoIts too little, too late. LLMs are going to go the same way as 3D printers, action cameras, vacuums, TVs, drones, cars, phones, whatever. The west just don't know how to compete in the long run. The greed is eating itself up.
- tyleo 3mo agoIdk, I look at the list of the top companies and they seem to be based on US IP. I agree that the US is falling behind in the areas you mention but that analysis fails to recognize the value of markets the US is dominant in.
- spacedcowboy 3mo agoThey asked Claude how to hide the Epstein files data that it found, so that even Claude and Mythos couldn't straight-up verify that Trump is a paedophile. It took a lot of doing, but they finally managed it, so the plebs get to play with the toys again
- 1970-01-01 3mo ago"Lifted" meaning temporary, until they don't like something else and have another tantrum over a minor detail.
- theHocineSaad 3mo agoOkay, but what has changed?
- Chance-Device 3mo agoJust let people use their subscriptions for Fable. Permanently. All of it. Even if it runs out at 10% of the equivalent Opus use. Let people choose, there’s nothing to be gained by not allowing users to exhaust their subscriptions rapidly on this other than ill will.
- baggachipz 3mo agoLooks like the White House is the happy owner of a new gold statue then?
- digitaltrees 3mo agoI am migrating my company to private open source AI and building custom tooling, orchestration, an IDE and harness around it. The commercial labs have show it’s far too risky to build on top of them. With the labs moving into the app layer every interaction with the API related to product development or innovation is data they will steal and use to compete against you by adding those features to their everything apps. No one would hire a knowledge firm (law firm, accountants, management consultants) if they could steal your information and give it to your competitors. Their actions have remained me that we can’t tolerate that with AI systems. With spaceX buying cursor and Google buying windsurf, and gathering all the developer interaction as training data, there is too much risk that development process itself will be rug pulled.
- aspenmartin 3mo agoThis makes sense but I am not comfortable with the open source picture either. It depends on the use case and long term strategy. If you're handling customer support tickets or something, beyond some capability I can't imagine the ROI would be worth needing the absolute frontier. You are then in a wonderfully lovely place: absolutely full control over the model and inference stack (if you want). But - Plenty of businesses are stuck between a rock and a hard place: make 3p models load bearing, or sacrifice performance to the competitors that are willing to swallow that risk - I just cannot imagine a viable equilibrium where OSS models compete on capabilities with the frontier without a hidden payer and shaky economics. Quant funds, some sovereign AI effort, cloud business, sanctioned distilled frontier models; all of these are demonstrably viable vehicles for OSS development. But the optimal position for these purposes is not to be the best, it's to be good enough (which I think is the position they find themselves in). I can imagine temporary points where open models pull ahead but not sustainably. I agree there are many many use cases where the optimal choice is to reach for open weight models (I assume yours is one of them). But the economics of frontier model development necessitates that these models are behind and thats a problem for other cases.
- eueeu 3mo agoYou’ve been boosting frontier model development for months and talking aloud about escape velocity lmao. Take your ball and go home
- Rover222 3mo agoThe Chinese are clearly great at distilling current SOTA models. And yes they are crushing on energy infra buildout, especially with American NIMBYs and general Marxist degrowth mindsets. They still don't have a clear path to create their own SOTA models, especially if American ones become more and more locked down, and they can't distill so easily. Honestly I think the SpaceX orbital plan is the only hope of maintaining the US lead in the long run.
- stymaar 2mo ago> American Marxist degrowth mindsets. A literal Communist dictatorship is winning the race thanks to their 5-years plans yet you still think the problem is “too much Marxism in the US”. What an utterly deranged take.
- overgard 3mo agoThis just pushes me more and more towards local models. Even if it's what they have to do, frontier labs working hand in hand with government just makes me really nervous about letting them anywhere near my data. The surveillance state is bad enough as it is.
- its_tarun 3mo agoThis is crazy news but with they have done so with limitations. World is going wild since couple of years or maybe more.
- pseudohadamard 3mo agoFor people who haven't tried Fable yet, here's an emulation you can use to experience Fable, just paste this into whatever you're using to access Claude: -- Snip -- echo "Switched to Opus 4.8. Fable's safeguards flagged this message" switch model to Opus 4.8 -- Snip --