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Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

• chrisjj 6mo ago
  And so it begins...
  • mememememememo 6mo ago
    Drug dealer got them hooked, now time to charge by the ounce.
• jerieljan 6mo ago
  I always thought this was the case since they declared war against Opencode and its users. The lines drawn by their consumer vs commercial TOS was clear and I never subscribed because of it.
• omertt27 6mo ago
  I think its not good idea , they are constraining the usage of other platforms such as openclaw.These restriction methods will not be positive point to anthropic.
• jgalt212 6mo ago
  Perhaps they are worried about legal liability if someone uses OpenClaw + Claude Code, and it deletes reams of customer data.
• oddb0d 6mo ago
  Reminds me of this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Bill_Gates_Letter_to_Hobbyists.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Bill_Gat...
• benn67 6mo ago
  Haha, I almost expected this. Say goodbye to my 600$/ month Anthropic.
  • minimaxir 6mo ago
    The people who have enough Opus usage such that they were using multiple Max accounts are the exact users Anthropic want to kick out.
  • Zopieux 6mo ago
    There's no way in hell this amount of tokens is reasonable for anything or worth it
    • techgnosis 6mo ago
      You have a tiny imagination
    • benn67 6mo ago
      I have 2 max 20x subscriptions. So not API tokens. I do a lotta stuff don’t need to get into it here.
    • cbg0 6mo ago
      You have no idea how much slop people push out on daily basis.
  • operatingthetan 6mo ago
    So you were using API tokens already, this doesn’t affect you. Why are you quitting in protest?
    • stavros 6mo ago
      Three Max subscriptions.
      • operatingthetan 6mo ago
• hombre_fatal 6mo ago
  If OpenClaw is just "claude -p", then how do they know when you're using OpenClaw?
  • JSR_FDED 6mo ago
    They look for pincer marks
    • hombre_fatal 6mo ago
      It's a pair of ragged claws.
• rvz 6mo ago
  > To make the transition easier, we’re offering a one-time credit for extra usage equal to your monthly subscription price. Redeem your credit by April 17. We’re also introducing discounts when you pre-purchase bundles of extra usage (up to 30%). The Anthropic casino wants you to continue gambling tokens at their casino only on their machines (Claude Code) only by giving more promotional offers such as free spins, $20 bets and more free tokens at the roulette wheels and slot machines. But you cannot repurpose your subscription on other slot machines that are not owned by Anthropic and if you want it badly, they charge you more for those credits. The house (Anthropic) always wins.
  • sidrag22 6mo ago
    Plenty to hate on anthropic for right now, but Ill never understand the references to output as a slot machine. It is massively a skill based tool, you CAN use it like a slot machine with "please make it work" style prompts. The variance is the difference, if you feed it great context and/or relevant sources to utilize, your odds of success increase dramatically. Slot machines, it doesn't matter how much thought you put into your pull, you will have the same odds as literally any other person pulling the lever.
  • 0xy 6mo ago
    Except you put $200 into the CC casino and you can (if you choose) extract thousands in token value.
• alasano 6mo ago
  "these tools put an outsized strain on our systems" AKA when you fully use the capacity you paid for, that's too much!
  • danpalmer 6mo ago
    You don't pay for capacity, you pay for an interface. Paying for capacity is what API keys are for. Similarly, on a home internet connection you might pay for a given size of pipe, but most residential ISPs don't allow running publicly accessible servers on your connection because you'll typically use way more of the bandwidth.
    • alasano 6mo ago
      If that same internet provider has caps on how much bandwidth I can use every 5 hours and total on a weekly basis, then yes, I pay for capacity. That argument would have been valid when the 5 hours blocks were unlimited in the beginning.
      • danpalmer 6mo ago
        My home ISP, as most are now, have "unlimited downloads". There's no limit on usage by numbers, because consumers don't like that. Instead there's limit on usage by style. I can't run a public server on it, and I don't get a business SLA. For home usage that's ideal, I don't need those things but I don't want to worry about limits. These plans vs API keys issues are exactly the same concept.
    • GandalfHN 6mo ago
      [flagged]
      • borski 6mo ago
        A Claude Code subscription is a subscription to … Claude Code … which is an interface. The API keys are how you use models directly.
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• eagleinparadise 6mo ago
  Anthropic measures your usage based on token consumption We are paying for a certain amount of token consumption Why then, is this an outsized strain on your system Anthropic? It's like buying gasoline from Shell, and then Shell's terms of services forcing you to use that gas in a Hummer that does 5 MPG, while everyone else wants to drive any other vehicle.
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  • bitpush 6mo ago
    I feel icky replying in favor of a for-profit entity, but here goes .. > We are paying for a certain amount of token consumption I dont think you are. The specific arrangement you have is you pay for a subscription to be used with Claude Code. It isnt access to tokens, so you can do whatever you please. --- An analogy would be a refillable cup for a soda at a restuarnt. They will allow you to refill how many ever times you want, but only using the store provided cup - and you cant bring your own 2L hydroflask or whatever. You're paying not just for the liquid, but for the entire setup.
    • stavros 6mo ago
      The analogy is bad. Anthropic does not let you "refill however many times you want", they have limits. That's what "limits" in your account is. It would be like the restaurant saying "you can buy the 2-liter soda pack" and then getting all uppity when you bring your own 2L hydroflask in.
  • SpicyLemonZest 6mo ago
    If you're on a subscription plan, you're paying for a certain amount of maximum token consumption. Mass market consumers generally prefer this model to one where they're billed for actual usage. But making it work requires statistical estimates of how much people will consume, which often requires excluding third party tools that circumvent those estimates. To use your analogy, if Shell sold you a subscription to fill up your Hummer up to 30 times a month, they wouldn't let you use that subscription to fill gas cans with a GMC logo taped to the side. They couldn't, without overcharging the people who just want to average out their cost of driving.
• HellsMaddy 6mo ago
  I received it too. I wonder if they sent this to all pro/max subscribers or only those who they’ve flagged as having used a third party harness.
  • windexh8er 6mo ago
    I have a few accounts but have been avoiding OpenCode with my Pro/Max accounts because I had heard some were being banned. Have only been using Anthropic models through OpenRouter, but it ends up being cost prohibitive for anything reasonably complex. But, I haven't received emails in either account around the change. Anthropic probably figures that it's less ideal to draw attention to it if a user isn't using it in that way. Personally I'm not a fan of what they're doing and will likely drop them and go out of my way to find a different option and move away from their lock-in strategy. They're really no different than OpenAI at this point (for the worst).
  • mh- 6mo ago
    FWIW: I did not receive it, and have never used my subscription outside of first party Claude tools. I was, however, able to claim the extra usage credit. Interestingly, it looks like I haven't received a non-receipt email from them since August 2025.
    • FireBeyond 6mo ago
      How/where were you able to do that?
      • mh- 6mo ago
        Top of https://claude.ai/settings/usage https://claude.ai/settings/usage edit: see Boris' tweet about it https://x.com/bcherny/status/2040206443094446558 https://x.com/bcherny/status/2040206443094446558
  • burnte 6mo ago
    I'm a pro subscriber and didn't get this so I wager its accounts they detect because i only use it in the browser and haven't seen this.
• christopher8827 6mo ago
  This is why people are switching over to Codex
  • minimaxir 6mo ago
    Codex just ended their double-usage offer and OpenAI just had an exec shakeup, so it'll be interesting to see how Codex reacts, or if people have usage issues with Codex.
    • lmedinas 6mo ago
      OpenAI mentioned already that it's ok to use Codex with Openclaw.
      • minimaxir 6mo ago
        Months ago. Things in the AI world change quickly.
    • azuanrb 6mo ago
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    • xtracto 6mo ago
      So the VC gravy is drying. We should see the enshitification of LLM providers in the rest of 2026 and 2027. The bubble has to burst at some point.
      • chrismustcode 6mo ago
        5 days ago OpenAI raised $122b and 26' Q1 recorded the largest amount of startup funding in a Q ever. I wouldn't say it's drying. https://x.com/OpenAI/status/2039085161971896807 https://x.com/OpenAI/status/2039085161971896807 https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/01/startup-funding-shatters-all-records-in-q1/ https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/01/startup-funding-shatters-a...
• cat-turner 6mo ago
  Doesn't this unfairly impact startups? Why not instead allow issuance of API keys with usage caps? It seems like a money grab.
  • jasonlotito 6mo ago
    > you’ll no longer be able to use your Claude subscription limits for third-party harnesses including OpenClaw. You can still use them with your Claude account, but they will require extra usage, a pay-as-you-go option billed separately from your subscription. How is what you are asking for different from what they are saying?
• SkyPuncher 6mo ago
  Just give me a subscription tier where I’m not being blocked out every afternoon. Im hitting rate limits within 1:45 during afternoons. I can’t justify extra usage since it’s a variable cost, but I can justify a higher subscription tier.
  • bitpush 6mo ago
    even higher than $200? gosh, what are you doing to hit limits every day?
    • rvz 6mo ago
      Consulting fees from Claude & Ralph.
    • SkyPuncher 6mo ago
      Professional software development. I literally have 2 to 5 terminals running all day.
      • krater23 6mo ago
        Sorry guy, this has nothing to do with professional software development :D
    • muyuu 6mo ago
      For me it's surprising that they expected anything other than heavy utilisation at that price point. People don't subscribe at those prices and forget about it.
      • TillE 6mo ago
        All these companies are offering quite generous subscription plans if you compare to API pricing. There's gotta be a limit; nobody can afford to have tons of users who are losing them money every month.
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• jasonlotito 6mo ago
  Yes, this was made clear a while back and should not be a surprise. (Honestly, I had to double-check the date/time to see if this was actually posted today. You can use your Claude Code subscription with third-party tools, but you have to use the Claude Code harness. Or, you use the API. OpenClaw could use the Claude Code harness, but they don't.
  • firloop 6mo ago
    FWIW I am sympathetic to Anthropic here, but OpenClaw _is_ using the Claude Code harness (via claude -p). But yes, Anthropic has made it clear they don’t like this.
    • jasonlotito 6mo ago
      So they changed it? Last I heard they hadn't. Where did they announce they were switching to the Claude harness? I can't find anything.
      • firloop 6mo ago
        I received the email and I have been using “Option B”, which wraps the Claude CLI. https://docs.openclaw.ai/providers/anthropic#option-b-claude-cli-as-the-message-provider https://docs.openclaw.ai/providers/anthropic#option-b-claude...
        • weird-eye-issue 6mo ago
          I have heavy usage on two accounts with option c and didn't get an email
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• 2001zhaozhao 6mo ago
  There are going to be a lot of tools coming soon that are "agent-agnostic", i.e. can run on CLIs including Claude Code. I am personally experimenting with using a combo of MCP + custom UI layer to provide custom tools with bespoke UX and thus turn Claude Code (or any other CLI agent for that matter) into whatever I want. I wonder how they'll deal with that. For a good existing example developed by a known company, check Cline Kanban: https://cline.bot/kanban https://cline.bot/kanban They don't have the MCP-bundling idea that I'm experimenting with, however.
  • pxc 6mo ago
    Some editor integrations are a bit like this already, where during use you don't actually touch the built-in TUI even for prompting or viewing the output and approving permissions requests. I imagine how they treat these things will be contextual and maybe inconsistent. There aren't really hard lines between what they probably want editors that integrate with them to do and generic tools that try to sit a layer above the vendors' agent TUIs.
• charcircuit 6mo ago
  You never have been able to. It's against ToS.
  • Alexzoofficial 6mo ago
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• winterrx 6mo ago
  So now what happens to startups and ADE's orientated around Claude like Conductor.. no more Claude for them I guess back to Codex!
  • jasonlotito 6mo ago
    Nothing. They aren't using third party harnesses, which is the issue here as spelled out in the post. > you’ll no longer be able to use your Claude subscription limits for third-party harnesses including OpenClaw. My understanding is that Conductor and others aren't using it.
    • jsunderland323 6mo ago
      I'm not sure. The docs on claude -p are sort of ambiguous on third party usage
• zephyreon 6mo ago
  Yah well I'll be downgrading my subscription to the $20/month plan for the light chats I have with AI outside of using custom harnesses and will figure out a better provider for the agentic tooling.
  • luxuryballs 6mo ago
    couldn’t you just do that and put the other $80 towards extra usage and OpenClaw can use that?
• kjuulh 6mo ago
  Anthropic should calm down, I get that they're trying to either build a moat, or simply curb what is essentially subsidized tokens. It is technically true that when you've got a claude code subscription you pay for the product with its terms, and those terms doesn't include you grabbing the token and using it for another application. They're also trying to build a competitor to openclaw so it makes sense they're trying to crush it. But it feels like such a feeble moat, that it looks silly. Claude Code is nice, but it is not that nice.
• Traubenfuchs 6mo ago
  You can cancel your subscription, there are like 5 competitors you can pick instead and anthropic offers an API plan where you can find out how many tokens circus tools like claws really consume compared to coding tasks.
• _pdp_ 6mo ago
  The solution as usual is open source. For example... We recently moved a very expensive sonnet 4.6 agent to step-3.5-flash and it works surprising well. Obviously step-3.5-flash is nowhere near the raw performance of sonnet but step works perfectly fine for this case. Another personal observation is that we are most likely going to see a lot of micro coding agent architectures everywhere. We have several such cases. GPT and Claude are not needed if you focus the agent to work on specific parts of the code. I wrote something about this here: https://chatbotkit.com/reflections/the-rise-of-micro-coding-assistants https://chatbotkit.com/reflections/the-rise-of-micro-coding-...
  • stavros 6mo ago
    > The solution as usual is open source. > Obviously step-3.5-flash is nowhere near the raw performance of sonnet I feel like these two statements conflict with each other.
    • happyopossum 6mo ago
      Those two statements completely check out about a lot of open source projects/products tho... macOS upsetting you today? The solution is linux!
  • nothinkjustai 6mo ago
    Yeah this is similar to my approach, although with slightly more powerful models. I’m just not having a good time letting the sota models loose on a code base to implement entire features. Spending too much time cleaning up the mess. It’s my fault, I needed to guide it more, but it would take the same amount of time to use a faster model to generate smaller chunks and also cost less. And I’m not even doing anything particularly complex! inb4 skill issue I could probably beat you coding by hand with you using Claude code
  • snarkyturtle 6mo ago
    Google releasing Gemma 4 yesterday was prescient. Toying around with Zed + Gemma 4 on my laptop is 95% as good as using a cloud provider.
• loveparade 6mo ago
  That's why I am using Codex. I slightly prefer Claude in terms of code quality, but it's close, but not being able to use my subscription with other CLIs and apps ruins Claude for me.
  • freedomben 6mo ago
    Indeed, this is the outcome they are going to create. It seems like their goal is to get people using their core tools, and they want that bad enough to subsidize it for some users. The net effect on users like me however, will be the exact opposite. I'll be switching to a different tool.
    • loveparade 6mo ago
      Yeah and it doesn't help that the claude CLI itself IMO isn't that great. It feels a bit like a sloppy vibe coded app. So they are forcing me to use an inferior product.
• saltyoldman 6mo ago
  Is anyone even getting anything out of a $20/mo sub for Anthropic? I'm doing a side-by-side with GPT-5.4 for $20/mo and Sonnet for $20/mo and I can tell you that all my 5 hour tokens are eaten in 30 minutes with Claude. I still haven't used my tokens for OpenAI. Code quality seems fine on both. Building an app in Go
  • freedomben 6mo ago
    Yeah, the $20 Claude plan is almost worthless. Unless you're just using it to write scripts and not working in a real world application code base, it just runs out way too fast to get much done. I think using it to write small documentation or small scripts would be a good use case for it, but serious development work you Hit the usage limits way too fast.
  • girvo 6mo ago
    I used to, but not anymore. Now I can somehow burn my _entire_ limit with a single prompt, maybe two. It's ridiculous, I've changed nothing about how I do things. Only thing now is that the cheaper (worse) chinese model coding plans have huge limits, so I lean on those now. Requires a lot more hand-holding though.
  • warmonger 6mo ago
    Yes, 20/mo is worth the price for me. Just don't run Opus by default for everything
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• mogili1 6mo ago
  What about when you use Claude agent SDK on your laptop? Extra usage is very sneaky you don't get any notice that you are using extra usage and could end up with unnecessary costs in case you would have preferred to wait an hour or so.
  • scottcha 6mo ago
    I think there was a clarification posted on Reddit that said Claude Agents SDK didn't apply for now.
• devkarev 6mo ago
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• stavros 6mo ago
  Looks like I'm going to be switching to OpenAI. I know the whole "well those are the terms" Stockholm syndrome argument, but no, those weren't the terms when I signed up. If one of the parties decided to unilaterally change terms in any other everyday situation, nobody would think it was acceptable, but we've become so resigned to corporations having enough money to make the law suit them that we think it's moral behavior. No, Anthropic, just because you added a clause that says "we can change these terms whenever" doesn't make it right. I'm paying you a set amount of money a month for a set amount of tokens (that's what limits are), and I should be able to use these tokens however I want. Luckily, there are alternatives.
  • benced 6mo ago
    They changed the terms going forward so you’re changing your behavior going forward? Nobody but the psychos you’re making up would think you’re out of line here. They’re not required to offer the same product forever and you’re not required to pay forever.
  • post-it 6mo ago
    I mean that's the thing, you're paying per month. And they're changing things going forward and offering to refund the current month. It's like if I buy a hot dog every month and they tell me they're raising the price next month, or discontinuing honey mustard. Inconvenient but they're not doing anything wrong. Especially since, given my back of the napkin math, they're giving us a pretty decent discount on the subscription plans.
  • nrmitchi 6mo ago
    This actually seems rather generous of them? Not only are they offering credits equal the cost you paid, but they're offering refunds if you disagree. Anthropic not allowing Claiude Code subscriptions to be used with other projects isn't "pulling the rug out"; you paid for an API subscription to use Claude Code, and now you're using it for a different purpose and a different product. If Tesla offered $10/month charging for your Tesla, and then a bunch of people turned around and use their Tesla Charge subscription to charge all different electric vehicles, and battery packs, and also hooked up a crypto mining rig to it, would you be surprised if they said "Nope, we're cutting this off. You can only use your Tesla Charge subscription for your Tesla vehicle"?
• Multiplayer 6mo ago
  Big Giant Million Dollar Question: Where does having Openclaw using Claude Code via ACP fall? It's using the Claude Code harness, not the model directly. If you are not aware, ACP creates a persistent session for steering rather than using the models directly.
  • bontaq 6mo ago
    This is my big question too. It seems by intent it's to kill it, including ACP, but I don't know.
  • Aperocky 6mo ago
    I have no idea what ACP offers that are superior to a tmux session. With tmux, you can attach to it at any time, send keys at any time, and capture pane without bothering any running process inside. And you don't have to get anyone's permission to use tmux.
    • gck1 6mo ago
      > And you don't have to get anyone's permission to use tmux. I'm not so sure about that. I have my own local multi agent orchestration setup with tmux and native claude code, codex, and gemini. They can talk between each other using tmux. I'm not sure precisely when does a wrapper around Claude Code become a "third party harness". If OpenCode is a third party harness, why is tmux not?
      • Aperocky 6mo ago
        on spirit, yes. programmatically speaking, not really. And judging by intention is a slippery slope, and they'll probably end up just banning everyone who are high usage. While some smart orchestration setup will fly under the radar (i.e. trivial to rate limit the cross tmux communication).
  • nextaccountic 6mo ago
    The Zed ACP client for example is still controlled by the human prompt, and they will probably not be banned
• firloop 6mo ago
  This is slightly different from what OpenCode was banned from doing; they were a separate harness grabbing a user’s Claude Code session and pretending to be Claude Code. OpenClaw was still using Claude Code as the harness (via claude -p)[0]. I understand why Anthropic is doing this (and they’ve made it clear that building products around claude -p is disallowed) but I fear Conductor will be next. [0]: See “Option B: Claude CLI as the message provider” here https://docs.openclaw.ai/providers/anthropic#option-b-claude-cli-as-the-message-provider https://docs.openclaw.ai/providers/anthropic#option-b-claude...
  • freedomben 6mo ago
    Ah thank you, this is very helpful distinction to know. When they shut down open code, I thought it was a lame move and was critical of them, but I could understand at least where they're coming from. With this though, it's ridiculous. Claude core tools are still being used in this case. Shelling out to it to use it there's no different than a normal user would do themselves. If this continues, I'll be taking my $200 subscription over to open AI.
    • sunsunsunsun 6mo ago
      Im still using opencode with claude pro so im confused.
      • stavros 6mo ago
        You're using it with a PAYG API key, not a subscription.
    • xvector 6mo ago
      No a normal user is not shelling out to Claude Code 24/7, but OpenClaw certainly is. OpenAI will soon do the same thing, don't be delusional.
      • freedomben 6mo ago
        If OpenAI does it too, well then I guess my principles will be challenged. Gemini CLI is unfortunately too eager to use Flash despite my setting it to use Pro, and it generates ass code that doesn't work, so that's out. I might have to invest in some GPUs then and run local. We'll cross that bridge when we get there though.
• 8note 6mo ago
  > We’ve been working to manage demand across the board, but these tools put an outsized strain on our systems. Capacity is a resource we manage carefully and we need to prioritize our customers using our core products. but couldn't i use this in off times only?
• ramoz 6mo ago
  Super confusing email. Not sure why I received. Am i to assume my account was flagged? I only use my subscription for Claude Code. UPDATE: reply on x Thariq @trq212 only flagged accounts, but you can still claim the credit
  • deleted 6mo ago
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  • mh- 6mo ago
    Any idea what caused your account to be flagged, then?
    • ramoz 6mo ago
      I mustve tried openclaw with it. Though ive been running it on codex primarily since I was serious about setting it up.
  • dboreham 6mo ago
    I got the email and I've only ever run the legit claude client.
• Seattle3503 6mo ago
  Am I still allowed to invoke cc in a bash script, or is that out too? Interactive sessions only.
• heavyset_go 6mo ago
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• supliminal 6mo ago
  Since the OpenClaw creator is posting on HN I’d like to hear some commentary from him directly.
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• password4321 6mo ago
  GitHub Copilot supports Anthropic models with any client but they have a monthly usage cap after which it is pay-per-prompt. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46936105 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46936105 Billing can be bypassed using a combo of subagents with an agent definition > "Even without hacks, Copilot is still a cheap way to use Claude models" 20260116 https://github.blog/changelog/2026-01-16-github-copilot-now-supports-opencode/ https://github.blog/changelog/2026-01-16-github-copilot-now-... https://github.com/features/copilot/plans https://github.com/features/copilot/plans $40/month for 1500 requests; $0.04/request after that https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/concepts/billing/copilot-requests#model-multipliers https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/concepts/billing/copilot-... Opus uses 3x requests
  • hooch 6mo ago
    Last time I looked Copilot's context window for Anthropic models was something like 150,000 tokens only.
    • unop 6mo ago
      Both Sonnet and Opus 4.6 under GHCP support a 1M context window.
  • briHass 6mo ago
    GHCP also has magical rate limits that hit users that slam multi-agent workflows or other crazy request burners. Mind you, I think GHCP is a great service at an excellent price, but the hardcore vibe coders complain about the rate limits that I've never personally experienced using the CLI.
    • 59nadir 6mo ago
      That's weird, because every time I see someone even talking positively about Claude Code they always seem to mention they're hitting their 5 hour limits in 2-3 hours all the time, they're hitting their overall limits all the time, and so on. Meanwhile I can't even seem to spend my $20 Cursor Composer 2 tokens using their agent. I've been doing useless shit just to see how much usage I can cram in there and it'd probably take 10 hours of vibecoding like a loser every day to hit the limits at this point. With that said I'm not going to pay for something that doesn't allow me to use whatever I want to use (in terms of harness, etc.), so both Anthropic (who were already disqualified because of their ridiculous limits) and Cursor is out (AFAIK you can't an agent other than their `agent` binary without some ridiculous hack like proxying all of the calls through `agent`. I can't imagine all of the providers pretending their agents are real value going forward, but even if they do there's still stuff like OpenRouter which doesn't give a shit, may as well use something like that.
• Vivolab 6mo ago
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• zem 6mo ago
  I wonder if this also applies to tools that interact with the claude code tui through tmux's capabilities.
• arewethereyeta 6mo ago
  Marketing geniuses. They had 2 options here: 1. Make a better product/alternative to Openclaw and start eating their userbase. They hold the advantage because the ones "using their servers too much" are already their clients so they could reach out and keep trying to convert. Openclaw literally brought them customers at the door. 2. Do everyone royally and get them off their platform - with a strong feeling of dislike or hatred towards Anthropic. Let's see how 2 goes for them. This is not the space to be treating your clients this way.
  • mrbungie 6mo ago
    From you can tell from they long-term strategy they are not marketing geniuses, but rather they try to signal are "moral geniuses". That's the game they are playing, I don't really know if it is going to work or not.
    • airstrike 6mo ago
      marketing geniuses was never a real alternative if inference is heavily subsidized, because open models scale in performance just as well, albeit 12-18 months late
  • nojito 6mo ago
    >Make a better product/alternative to Openclaw and start eating their userbase. There's a good chance they do not have the infrastructure to do that.
  • dboreham 6mo ago
    I'm fine with it. I don't want my subscription subsidizing the claw people.
    • a10c 6mo ago
      How about the people that don't use OpenClaw, but alternative agent harnesses that are vastly better than Claude Code?
• jesse_dot_id 6mo ago
  There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Claude to go up or B) get banned to protect the price of the service for actual users.
  • nightski 6mo ago
    It's fine, their moat is thin. Frontier models as a service isn't really in the best interest of anyone anyways. Only a matter of time.
    • asgraham 6mo ago
      Are you arguing that eventually a competitor will emerge that does support OpenClaw with a subscription model? Wouldn’t that just be more expensive for the exact same reason Anthropic is banning it?
      • raincole 6mo ago
        You mean whether another competitor will emerge? Right now we have OpenAI.
        • rvz 6mo ago
          The real threat that Anthropic sees as real competitors in the long term, are the AI labs building open weight models, especially the AI labs in China.
      • techgnosis 6mo ago
        Doesn't OpenAI allow this today?
        • mil22 6mo ago
• raincole 6mo ago
  So is Codex the only SOTA that welcomes third-party harness?
  • wyre 6mo ago
    Any model besides Claude. AFAIK anthropics the only corp to say no to other harnesses.
  • nickthegreek 6mo ago
    via oauth, yes.
• g-mork 6mo ago
  My answer to this is simply rolling back to the pro plan for interactive usage in the coming month, and forcefully cutting myself over to one of the alternative Chinese models to just get over the hump and normalise API pricing at a sensible rate with sensible semantics. Dealing with Claude going into stupid mode 15 times a day, constant HTTP errors, etc. just isn't really worth it for all it does. I can't see myself justifying $200/mo. on any replacement tool either, the output just doesn't warrant it. I think we all jumped on the AI mothership with our eyes closed and it's time to dial some nuance back into things. Most of the time I'm just using Opus as a bulk code autocomplete that really doesn't take much smarts comparatively speaking. But when I do lean on it for actual fiddly bug fixing or ideation, I'm regularly left disappointed and working by hand anyway. I'd prefer to set my expectations (and willingness to pay) a little lower just to get a consistent slightly dumb agent rather than an overpriced one that continually lets me down. I don't think that's a problem fixed by trying to swap in another heavily marketed cure-all like Gemini or Codex, it's solved by adjusting expectations. In terms of pricing, $200 buys an absolute ton of GLM or Minimax, so much that I'd doubt my own usage is going to get anywhere close to $200 going by ccusage output. Minimax generating a single output stream at its max throughput 24/7 only comes to about $90/mo.
  • zdragnar 6mo ago
    > I think we all jumped on the AI mothership with our eyes closed Oh no, there's plenty of us willing to say we told you so. What's more interesting to me is what it's going to look like if big companies start removing "AI usage" from their performance metrics and cease compelling us to use it. More than anything else, that's been the dumbest thing to happen with this whole craze.
  • SkyPuncher 6mo ago
    I literally hit my 5 hour window limit in 1.5 hours every single day now. 2 weeks ago, I had only hit my limit a single time and that was when I had multiple agents doing codebase audits.
    • estimator7292 6mo ago
      They've been running a "double credits" promo for several weeks, which expired on the first of this month.
• randall 6mo ago
  Does anyone have a link to the "read more"?
• skyberrys 6mo ago
  Is this going to nuke all bring your own API 3rd party tools? I've been casually using fewshell https://github.com/few-sh/fewshell https://github.com/few-sh/fewshell with my Claude api key, I really hope it's going to keep working. I've just finally managed to turn myself into a reasonable devops team with it.
  • minimaxir 6mo ago
    This does not affect anyone who uses an API key.
    • skyberrys 6mo ago
      Oh thank you! I'm using these tools but occasionally I feel like a medieval horse rider trying to drive a sedan. Glad to know, I haven't used OpenClaw, I prefer the meat computer for autonomous compute.
      • anon0834 6mo ago
        All these people that complain were not paying for an API key
• pikdum 6mo ago
  Does this mean I can't use `claude -p` in bash scripts now?
  • techgnosis 6mo ago
    I doubt it means that. How would they ever know? Honest question..
    • martinald 6mo ago
      if (process.argv.includes('-p')) and then setting a different http header?
• yieldcrv 6mo ago
  I like how the best way to protest this is by doing what everyone should have been doing to begin with: running a great open source model on rented hardware
• causal 6mo ago
  Their whole business model seems built around selling you limits that you will never be able to utilize: limit you to tools that will never run long. Claude Code seems designed to terminate quickly- mine always finds excuses to declare victory prematurely given a task that should take hours.
• jonwinstanley 6mo ago
  What are people doing with OpenClaw? Are there any places that try to log best uses and new ideas?
• entropoem 6mo ago
  Anthropic and OpenAI are the clearest examples of why, in an organization of specialists, the experts themselves should not be the CEO or the final decision-maker once the company’s challenges extend beyond just the product. Just look at how Sam Altman has led OpenAI step by step to dominate—and choke out—Anthropic, a company founded by the group of engineers who were once part of the turmoil at OpenAI. Anthorpic's product thinking is terrible even though it is technically very good.
  • danpalmer 6mo ago
    An interesting... weird(?), take. I see Anthropic as being mostly a much more compelling option. They've avoided most negative backlash, they have a much higher percentage of paying users, plenty of enterprise contracts, etc. They avoided money pits like Sora. OpenAI seems to mostly be chasing the consumer market, but not doing great at it.
    • dboreham 6mo ago
      I'm a very happy Anthropic customer. They could charge me 3X the current rate and it'd still be a great deal.
    • 0xbadcafebee 6mo ago
      They're more compelling to the HN echo chamber. I have never heard a normal person say "I was asking Claude the other day...", but they do use ChatGPT. Based on the limited public information out there, the AI chat tools with the most users are ChatGPT, Meta, Gemini, Alibaba, Baidu, Copilot, and Grok. Anthropic is nowhere near the top.
• datahack 6mo ago
  Ok. Someone explain to me why they would f themselves this hard with software engineers when they are absolutely winning. This just seems like a bad move. Is it infrastructure? Are they unable to control costs? Everyone else is spending like money is water to try to get adoption. Claude has it and is dialing back utility so that its most passionate users will probably leave. I don’t understand this move.
  • verdverm 6mo ago
    They have plenty of high paying users that will soak up what the claws are consuming in capacity. They are thinking about those customers and delivering them a better experience
  • w10-1 6mo ago
    "Adoption" like 2000's internet companies losing money on every sale to get market share? For SaaS, use the SaaS API. For product, use the product. They subsidize the product with "don't care how much" pricing so they have users to build out features without users worrying about cost. If it's not actual users using the product, then features will be built in OpenClaw instead of Claude. The earlier they draw this line, the better. However, announcing it the day before it is effective is a huge unforced error, even if it were just a consequence of the TOS. They gain nothing by making people scramble. Also better to announce at the same new ways to support plugging in to Claude Code - something to encourage integration/cooperation. No fences unless the field inside is flowering.
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  • _pdp_ 6mo ago
    I mean, it is easy to understand once you realise that there is no spoon. Despite their power, frontier models are threatened by open-source equivalents. If AGI is not on the horizon and model performance is likely not going to be enough of a differentiator to keep the momentum going, the only other way is to go horizontal - enterprise solutions, proprietary coding agent harnesses, market capture, etc. If AGI is in sight, none of these short-term games really matter. You just need to race ahead.
• Sinidir 6mo ago
  Does anyone know. How would that relate to simply wrapping claude code as a subprocess?
• janalsncm 6mo ago
  I got fed up with Claude code limits and have been using a combination of qwen3-coder, gemma4, and qwen3-vl locally. Gets me 90% of the way there and CC is still around for now if I need it. Btw even at insane markups $200/mo means GPUs break even pretty fast.
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  • p_stuart82 6mo ago
    the hardware ROI is insane right now tbh. a $200/mo sub is literally paying off a second gpu in less than a year.
  • thegagne 6mo ago
    Which harness and how which GPU?
    • janalsncm 6mo ago
      Opencode + 4090
• mccoyb 6mo ago
  Why not use datacenter of geniuses to increase capacity? Grug confused.
• djhope99 6mo ago
  Personally I appreciate the clarity and technical enforcement vs banning accounts. I switched OpenClaw to MiniMax 2.7. This combined with Claude over telegram does enough for me. OpenClaw used to burn through all my Claude usage anyway.
  • upcoming-sesame 6mo ago
    how do you use Claude over telegram ?
    • djhope99 6mo ago
      > how do you use Claude over telegram ? Here are the docs. https://code.claude.com/docs/en/channels https://code.claude.com/docs/en/channels - actually I couldn’t even get this going myself so I asked Claude to do it (meta) and it did, I also had it set this up with a launcher and it all starts up automatically just like openclaw.
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• Robdel12 6mo ago
  I believe the capacity about 30%. They did just spend the entire last month of feature releases in Clade Code replacing "claw" features. So, to me its a "we built it into our world use ours" Edit: FWIW I am an avid hater of all claw things, they're security nightmare.
• noritaka88 6mo ago
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  • Fogest 6mo ago
    I am pretty sure Claude Code limits were being hit so fast recently because there was an increasing amount of OpenClaw style usage on the subscription. From tweets from the people in charge it sounded like they were having more usage than they expected which was causing them to have to be more aggressive on the rate limits. They said they were working to address it soon. I have a feeling this is what they were working on changing. I bet OpenClaw was the reason for the rate limiting being so bad lately. I'm hoping with this change we see the rate limits start to not be as rough.
• buremba 6mo ago
  I get why they block OpenClaw and it makes sense but I wonder if they can actually detect OpenClaw calling Claude Code CLI using something like acpx. It's simply identical to how people use Claude Code locally.
• lrvick 6mo ago
  They also forced OpenCode to remove support as well. Thankfully there is always self hosting and a shit ton of competitors that let you use whatever local software you want.
• seamossfet 6mo ago
  Honestly, this is a good thing. OpenClaw as a concept was rather silly to run such a heavy model for. If you want something like OpenClaw to work you really need to figure out how to do it with an economical model.
• gnabgib 6mo ago
  Discussion (655 points, 1 month ago, 793 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47069299 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47069299
• beanjuiceII 6mo ago
  i think i'll no longer be giving my money to anthropic
• Animats 6mo ago
  Oh, it's a billing thing. Not fear that Claude coupled to something that can actually do things is dangerous.
• evbogue 6mo ago
  How does Anthropic detect that a person is using OpenClaw vs using Claude Code? Forgive me if someone asked this already and I can't find it in the comments.
  • password4321 6mo ago
    Continuous requests at a constant rate for days with interruptions?
    • TheDong 6mo ago
      That's just a ralph loop: https://ghuntley.com/ralph/ https://ghuntley.com/ralph/ I can do that now with claude code and a "while true" bash loop. Or with the built-in "/schedule" in claude code to set an agent to run say once every few minutes.
  • kristopolous 6mo ago
    It's probably just the header. headers['X-Title'] You can change that The other simple method is to only accept certain system prompts I've been meaning to do some dumb little proxy system where all your i/o can pass through any specified system such as a web page, harness, whatever... Essentially a local model toolcalls to an "Oracle" which is just something like a wrapper around Claude code or anything you've figured out how to scrape and then you talk to the small model that mostly uses the Oracle and.... There you go. There's certainly i/o shuffling and latency but given model speeds and throughput it'll be relatively very small Now people probably care Doesn't mean I know how to market it, I'll certainly fail at that, but at least I can build it
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  • stavros 6mo ago
    The bun executable attests the code by sending a signature along. I'm not sure what why we can't simply clone that signature, though.
• tinyhouse 6mo ago
  I really started to like Pi. That's unfortunate that I won't be able to use it with Opus (way too expensive without a subscription). I'm optimistic that open source coding models will be able to keep up. AI is too important, we're shooting ourselves in the foot if we don't adopt open source tools and models. The more adoption the better it will become.
  • nothinkjustai 6mo ago
    The copilot plans work with pi and are stupidly cheap for what you get.
• j45 6mo ago
  Inefficient token use will have to tighten up.
• nekusar 6mo ago
  Wellll, that rug aint gonna pull itself, now is it? Ive been calling for local LLM as owning the means of production. I aint wrong.
  • ChildOfChaos 6mo ago
    Not as simple as that. Everyone would happily use local, but the issue is local sucks.
    • nekusar 6mo ago
      https://github.com/brontoguana/krasis https://github.com/brontoguana/krasis On my desktop RTX 5060 TI (16GB) and 96GB ram, I routinely get 25-30 tokens/sec using an 80B model quantized to int8. Uses 65GB system ram and 15GB gfx ram. And its plenty fast for many of my purposes. I could easily run a 30B model bf16 (full) and do like 50tok/s
• SevenTGK 6mo ago
  mysterious anthropic win???
• nfw2 6mo ago
  I don't understand exactly what is being banned. I have a vibe coded context manager + chat thread UI that I use to manage multiple claude code cli sessions simultaneous. Is this allowed? If not how would this get identified vs other cli usage? How is this different than openclaw?
  • wolttam 6mo ago
    Check into the CC source leaks, they're doing some relatively sophisticated attestation
  • Aperocky 6mo ago
    openclaw is too easy to set up and way too messy and context heavy, they don't have to catch you they just have to catch the guy on the market giving out free modified V8 F150s while Anthropic are selling gas subscriptions in town.
    • nfw2 6mo ago
      Sure but if the mechanism that bans openclaw also bans me, I still get banned
  • luxuryballs 6mo ago
    it’s not banned it will just charge to extra usage instead of going towards the sub when using setup token, you can allocate money to extra usage or make an anthropic api key and use that
• crawshaw 6mo ago
  Based on this and recent product releases, Anthropic seems keen on building a closed ecosystem around their excellent model. That is their business choice, I suspect it will work well. But I cannot say I am particularly excited to have my entire development stack owned by one company.
  • xtracto 6mo ago
    As a non-American, I love what Chinese companies are doing. The progress they are showing and the fact they are sharing the weights of the models is great. I can't wait for the day when companies that "have no moat" like A. , Cursor or even OpenAI are left with a bunch of float matrices and hardware. I understand people from the US will have an anti-Chinese reaction, but for us in the "third world" that can use both techs, the openess is always good.
  • luxuryballs 6mo ago
    they could have locked OpenClaw out but instead they took the time to adjust the way it works so people can still use it
• cute_boi 6mo ago
  Idk why people are complaining when they know subscription are currently heavily subsidized. If they don't like they can always choose alternative service.
• zer00eyz 6mo ago
  "We dont crash ever" -- the social network. If you haven't been paying attention anthropic burned a lot of their developer good will in the last 2 weeks, with some combination of bugs and rate limits. But the writing is on the wall about how bad things are behind the scenes. The circa 2002 sentiment filter regex in their own tool should have been a major clue about where things stand. The question every one should be asking at this point is this: is there an economic model that makes AI viable. The "bitter lesson" here is in AI's history: expert systems were amazing, but they could not be maintained at cost. The next race is the scaling problem, and google with their memory savings paper has given a strong signal what the next 2 years of research are going to be focused on: scaling.
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• figmert 6mo ago
  Can they actually realistically do this? Nothing technical can stop a client from masquerading as another, and with the right level of dedication, this wouldn't be very hard to do. And since they're mostly targeting power users, seems like they're barking up the wrong tree. Have I missed something?
  • varenc 6mo ago
    Realistically, they can likely prevent the majority of this sort of use. You're right that's it's impossible to prevent 100%, but they can likely stop most of it. Particularly because each user is linked with an account which has an extra high cost to the user if penalized. Abuse prevention is harder when you permit anonymous users. (Like OAI's battle against people turning the free logged out chatgpt.com into an API)
• rohansood15 6mo ago
  This email gives out the endgame - eventually, Claude subscription would be ~30% cheaper than API costs. Our engineering team averages 1.5k per dev per month on credit costs, without busting Max limits today.
• jeffpersonified 6mo ago
  Less than 24hr notice on a Friday: either Anthropic is dropping S tier next week or they massively fumbled over the past 2 months in self owns and outages.
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• dnw 6mo ago
  To give credit where it is due: Boris actually submitted a few PRs this week to OpenClaw to increase prompt cache hits. You can see them here: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/pullsq=is%3Apr+author%3Abcherny+is%3Aclosed https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/pullsq=is%3Apr+author%3... I think the usage patterns of a lot of harnesses are pushing against their planned capacity. I would say they can certainly explain themselves a lot better.
  • admiralrohan 6mo ago
    Link is broken.
    • cormorant 6mo ago
      missing a ? character. https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/pulls?q=is%3Apr+author%3Abcherny+is%3Aclosed https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/pulls?q=is%3Apr+author%...
      • dnw 6mo ago
        Thank you!
      • nvalis 6mo ago
        I can't see any results any more.
• anizan 6mo ago
  Using Xiaomi’s mimo pro on openrouter via hermes agent
• jklm 6mo ago
  The main reason I find myself using Opus is because it's a better communicator. (Yes, I know it's better in some areas like frontend vs. others but this is not significant enough for my purposes.) So this change has actually forced a reckoning of sorts. Maybe the best option is to outsource the thinking to another model, and then send it back to Opus to package up. Ironically this is how the non-agent works too to an extent.
• yalogin 6mo ago
  Oh that is the crux of it, I was wondering why they are leading with the free credit in their email and what the catch is. I guess for someone that doesn’t use openclaw it doesn’t matter.
• gos9 6mo ago
  I don’t understand why they’re catching any flak here lol if you want to use the frontier model more then pay for it? Graceful handling from Anthropic
  • luxuryballs 6mo ago
    exactly! they actually chose the better approach rather than just locking us out
  • hnburnsy 6mo ago
    >Graceful handling from Anthropic Less than 24 hours notice and on a holiday weekend
  • llm_nerd 6mo ago
    The flak is basically variations of "but I want it cheaper!" whining. The hysterics, the whiny "I'm taking my ball and going home!" nonsense, and so on, is just a wrapper around that entitlement. The API is there. It's straightforward and easy to use. But these users want to piss in the well, tragedy of the commons style.
• computerex 6mo ago
  Claude is a great model. But anthropic’s user hostile practices have forced me to terminate my sub with them. Right now I am all in on GitHub copilot and that’s primarily how I get my opus tokens.
• OptionOfT 6mo ago
  Given the sheer amount of logging that happens in Claude Code based on the leak, I'm not surprised. This isn't about load, this is merely about cost. Claude Code is subsidized because of data collection.
• Lihh27 6mo ago
  This is exactly why building daily workflows on top of proprietary API wrappers is a ticking time bomb. The moment your tooling becomes an outsized strain, they just flip the switch on you.
• zephyreon 6mo ago
  This is the classic car wash subscription scheme. You sign up a bunch of people for $40 a month to wash their car. Most people only go to wash their car once or twice a month (or even less), which offsets those few folks that do it three times a week or more. The problem Anthropic is running into is that OpenClaw made it easy for everyone to become one of those folks that washes their car three times a week or more. I’m sure they were losing money on subscriptions in general but now they are really losing money. Shutting off OpenClaw specifically probably helps stem some of the bleeding.
• andrewstuart 6mo ago
  Big mistake. Claude innovation will come from being open, not closed.
• bob1029 6mo ago
  $200 is a lot of money per month. I just bought this much in OAI API credits and I expect them to last me until August or so. If you started plugging tools into GPT5.4 you may soon discover that you don't need anything beyond a single conversation loop with some light nesting. A lot of the openclaw approach seems to be about error handling, retry, resilience and perspectives on LLM tool use from 4+ months ago. All of these ideas are nice, but it's a hell of a lot easier to just be right the first time if all you need is a source file updated or an email written. You can get done in 100 tokens what others can't seem to get done in millions of tokens. As we become more efficient, the economic urgency around token smuggling begins to dissipate.
• Alexzoofficial 6mo ago
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• kelnos 6mo ago
  I guess they're only sending this to people who use tools like OpenClaw. I don't, and haven't gotten an email. And I guess also won't get the free extra usage credit offer. Ah well.
  • atmanactive 6mo ago
    I never used OpenClaw and I did get the email about free credits.
• sanex 6mo ago
  Claude usage limits are insane. I love their models but had to cancel my personal plan because I would burn through my weekly limits in 2 days. I use them for work but I spend like $30-50 __per day__. Not something I'd pay for myself.
  • krater23 6mo ago
    You don't make $50 per day? From where you are?
    • sanex 6mo ago
      I do and my company is willing to pay that. I am not :)
• smallerfish 6mo ago
  > for third-party harnesses What's the exact definition of third-party harnesses? They have an Agent SDK in Claude Code that can be used. Are they trying to say that only Anthropic products can use pro/max plans?
  • Multiplayer 6mo ago
    Great question. I've read that the agent sdk is ok as long as it's not for external use - meaning you aren't selling access to it. Unclear now though!
  • NewsaHackO 6mo ago
    When another program is doing direct tool calling instead of delegating it to Claude.
• jeremie_strand 6mo ago
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• Ifkaluva 6mo ago
  I think this is why the LLM era will not produce as much automation as people think. We have had the ability to automate browser activities for a long time—but, online service providers don’t want to be behind a layer of automation, which is why captchas were invented. Automating things on the Internet has never been a technology obstacle, it has been a social one. I don’t see how anything has changed! In fact I recently received an updated ToS from eBay saying I am not allowed to use an AI agent to buy stuff on their site. Just a matter of time until others follow suit! Edit: I misunderstood what was happening. Thanks to the comment below for clarifying.
  • isubkhankulov 6mo ago
    While I agree with you, thats not what this announcement is about. Anthropic wants to disallow programmatic use of their subscription plans for business reasons as a way to manage demand. They’re having outages, at least weekly, since March.
    • Ifkaluva 6mo ago
      Thanks for the clarification! I added an edit to my comment.
• 0xbadcafebee 6mo ago
  If you spend $200/month on Anthropic, that's $2400/year. Buy a fast GPU or Strix Halo machine, do the AI locally, after a year you're saving money.
  • cbg0 6mo ago
    The open models are still far behind GPT 5.4 and Claude if you're using them for building software.
    • Kim_Bruning 6mo ago
      About a year behind , TBQH. Newer Mixture-of-Experts models are comparable to a slightly older Claude Sonnet; if you don't mind the (lack of) speed. Some benchmarks say they're competitive with the frontier models right now for certain tasks. I'm not sure how much I trust those benchmarks; I have a feeling everyone is playing up to them in some way. Still, if you're willing to accept the latency, they're definitely usable. Of course everyone has realized this, so the hardware you need to run them is a little bit on the expensive side right this minute. CPU manufacturers are working on improvements so that you can more practically run models on regular CPU+RAM (it's already possible with llama.cpp, just even slower).
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    • 0xbadcafebee 6mo ago
      I don't think people realize how irrational that argument is (that SOTA is better, so you have to use SOTA). Open weights will always trail SOTA. Forever. So let's say they continue to get better every year. In 100 years, the open weight model will be 100x better than today. But the SOTA model will be 101x better. And still, people will make this argument that you should pay a premium for SOTA. Despite the open weights being 100x better than what we have today. The open weights today are better than the SOTA models from a year ago. Yet people were using the SOTA models for coding a year ago. If people used SOTA models a year ago, then it was good enough, right? So why isn't the same (or better) good enough now? The answer is: it is good enough. But people are irrationally afraid of missing out (FOMO). They're not really using their brains. They're letting fear lead their decisions. They're afraid "something bad" will happen if they don't use the absolute latest model. Despite the repeatable, objective benchmarks telling us all that open weights are perfectly capable of doing real work today, the fear is that we're missing out on something better. So people throw away their money and struggle with rate-limits because of their fear.
• nl 6mo ago
  I suspect people are misdiagnosing the root cause of why Anthropic is doing this a bit. I don't think this is particularly about the financial impact of people using OpenClaw - they can adjust the amount of tokens in a subscription quite easily. I think the root cause is that Anthropic is capacity constrained so is having to make choices about the customers they want to serve and have chosen people who use Claude Code above other segments. We know Anthropic weren't as aggressive as OpenAI through 2025 in signing huge capacity deals with the hyperscalers and instead signed smaller deals with more neo-clouds, and we know some of the neo-clouds have had trouble delivering capacity as quickly as they promised. We also know Claude Code usage is growing very fast - almost certainly faster since December 2025 than Anthropic predicted 12 months ago when they were doing 12-month capacity planning. We know Anthropic has suffered from brown-outs in Claude availability. Put this all together and a reasonable hypothesis is that Anthropic is choosing which customers to service rather than raising prices.
  • wigglewoggle 6mo ago
    I'm at large company and pretty much everyone has settled on opus or sonnet 4.6. We would absolutely not allow something like OpenClaw on our network so your point kinda fits here where, if capacity is constrained, then by setting focus away from OpenClaw you're essentially prioritising the enterprise clients. Just spitballing of course
    • nl 6mo ago
      Yes exactly. I doubt they actually want to do this. They clearly see having a wide set of paying customers as valuable (otherwise they'd just raise prices) but if you are stuck having to make hard choice then I can see the attraction of this approach.
    • manmal 6mo ago
      > not allow something like OpenClaw on our network And where’s the difference between the Claude Desktop app and OpenClaw at this point? Anthropic have been hard at work porting the most important features. You can easily shoot yourself in the foot with both now.
• benbojangles 6mo ago
  Anthropic are a smart clever research based bunch of people, they probably realised that openclaw is a mess, full of vibe coding get rich quick people, nothing particularly interesting to observe, and don't want to mix this data with the data they have already from real coders.
  • paulcole 6mo ago
    “What I’m doing is real coding. What you’re doing is a mess full of vibe coding.”
    • jatora 6mo ago
      I do enjoy these gatekeepers getting sideswept, their comments being little raindrops in a hurricane. It's a vile mindset.
• armanj 6mo ago
  People in the comments are, in my opinion, overcomplicating this and making it more philosophical than it needs to be. The reason for their decision is dead simple: there aren’t enough GPUs, so they have to cut access somewhere, and they’re starting with claw. It’s really that straightforward. If tomorrow they decide GPUs are better allocated to enterprise use, they could start removing the $20 plan just as quickly overnight, the same way they did tonight.
• desireco42 6mo ago
  They are running out of things to ban...
• bglusman 6mo ago
  For anyone interested, I’m cleaning up a project I’ve been working on that is a router for arbitrary agents derivative of/forked from ZeroClaw… part of what it does is let you switch between different agents on WhatsApp/Signal/Matrix etc via !switch commands, so that part isn’t an agent itself but just wants to own your channels so you can have any number of agents talking to the same handful of channels without contention. I do also bundle a default agent with it, also forked from ZeroClaw, with a goal of being more or less prompt injection proof and hopefully able to centralize some configuration and permissions for most or all of the agents it manages, though that part is very rough sketch/plan at the moment I’d love feedback and help on from anyone interested…. Two projects, clash and nono caught my eye in this space, I think both leverage Linux landgrant but I may also use landrun for similar control of other processes like openclaw that it may manage for the user, still figuring out how and where to fit all the pieces together and what’s pragmatic/what’s overkill/what overlaps or duplicates across various strategies and tools. Right now there’s real bash wrappers that evaluate starlark policies, hoping to fully validate better end to end but if you’re interested a few others users testing, validating and/or contributing Claude tokens to the project could be invaluable at this stage. Plan to open source ASAP, maybe tonight or tomorrow if there’s interest and I have time to finish cleanup and rename (I was calling it PolyClaw but that confuses with some weird polymarket Claude skill, so now the router is going to be ZeroClawed and the agent will stay NonZeroClaw in homage to ZeroClaw who it’s forked from… we may also integrate the new Claw Code port which is also rust, just for good measure/as a native coding agent in addition to the native claw agent ) Anyway the main reason I mention is it already has a working ACP integration for any code agent, and working now on using Claude codes native channel integration to make it appear as a full fledged channel of its own, as it now more or less does already to OpenClaw, for anyone wanting to gradually migrate away from their existing OpenClaw installation using this, towards Claude or some other agent. Email me or respond here if interested, or I’ll try and post link here once it’s fully public/open source
• eternaut 6mo ago
  someone else _not_ having the “Claim” button on the banner at the top of the Usage page?
  • eternaut 6mo ago
    Ok, it showed up eventually
• davesque 6mo ago
  I'm honestly completely in favor of this. Anthropic obviously budgets their capacity based on projected human usage patterns coming through their native app suite (Claude Cowork, Claude Code, etc.). They should not be expected to shoulder the burden of community tools like OpenClaw that are effectively designed to strategically max out usage windows on the plan. That has clearly caused issues with uptime in the past couple of months and I've gotten pretty fed up with the degraded service quality while I'm just trying to use Claude Code as it's intended to be used. I'm happy to see they're doing something about this. Seems like a totally fair move to me. I'd rather that Claude Code functions well when I'm using it according to its design.
• Wowfunhappy 6mo ago
  Claude is a UNIX command line tool with an SDK. Yes there's an interactive mode, but it can be invoked as a normal utility too, and piped to other tools and so on. In that context, I don't understand the difference between a "third party harness" and a shell script. How are they even detecting OpenClaw?
  • jatora 6mo ago
    Im wondering this too. If I have my own local platform similar in nature to openclaw, and am leveraging claude -p through my subscription, is this now against ToS? Or is this just a ban specific to certain services? In which case they're saying 'use -p until you scale and then we'll hammer you'. Either way what a pita.
  • mohsen1 6mo ago
    They have terms to not allow `claude -p` used like that. However, people can hide this with the leaked source code. What a funny cat-and-mouse game!
    • faeyanpiraat 6mo ago
      Can you please point me to those terms?
    • Wowfunhappy 6mo ago
      > They have terms to not allow `claude -p` used like that. Like what? I legitimately don't understand what is prohibited. Using claude as part of a shell script? Am I only allowed to use claude if a physically type the commands into a terminal via my keyboard? Why even ship `claude -p` at all?
  • anhldbk 6mo ago
    I guess Anthropic will scrutinize big open source projects for that purpose. The direct official integrations will be removed.
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• Razengan 6mo ago
  AI disallowing use by AI :|
• whateveracct 6mo ago
  Go pay for the API. It's not complicated.
• mediagato 6mo ago
  We built an open-source orchestrator that routes across providers with direct API keys. If you're looking for alternatives to subscription-locked tools: https://modelreins.com https://modelreins.com
• siliconc0w 6mo ago
  As the demand for GPUs grows and supply cannot match it, the GPUs are going towards the enterprise and it'll be the haves vs the have-nots. Instead of not driving to work to save fuel, frugal companies are going to have their engineers work on weekends to save tokens.
• stingraycharles 6mo ago
  OpenClaw also had the ability to run entirely within Claude Code instead of using the oauth token. Would that still be allowed?
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• hgoel 6mo ago
  This seems like a reasonable move even putting aside the reasoning about breaking the assumptions that make a subscription model cheaper than a pay-per-use model. Why would they actively subsidize the ticking timebomb? When OpenClaw has an especially large security incident, Anthropic will probably be affected just for the association. Like, right alongside this post on the front page, we have a post about a relatively serious privilege escalation vulnerability in OpenClaw.
  • ph4te 6mo ago
    As a CC power user, an OpenClaw, and ZeroClaw user, I am completely fine with this. My CC usage has suffered lately, and however cool and fun the Claws are, I use Claude Desktop probably more than OpenClaw and it works just fine, and has a lot of integrations. I would rather have Anthropic continue to support its own products working well, and have all of these things move to another service, or pay Anthropic for their use.
• throwaway911282 6mo ago
  Just use codex. A company that has not released any open weights models and goes after banning accounts and suing companies is not really the kind of company I want to give my money too. And gpt5.4 is the best model out there. Some people overthink on personality but I just want good code.
  • Reebz 6mo ago
    Just use opus. A company that has not rejected agreements with a “Department of War” and sanctions reasoning models to enable mass citizen surveillance and autonomous weapons deployment with no human intervention is not really the kind of company I want to give my money too. And opus4.6 is the best model out there. Some people overthink on personality but I just want good code.
• lherron 6mo ago
  Reality is Ant can supply X tokens and they see demand for 10*X tokens. So they’ll charge whatever the top 10% of users are willing to pay, and slowly degrade the value of the subscriptions until everyone has moved to another supplier or migrated to the 10% price point. The draconian ToS that they sometimes enforce is their mechanism to degrade subscription value over time. Expect agent-sdk to be next on the chopping block, moving from oauth supported to api only. When they switch it they will rightly point out the docs never explicitly said it was allowed.
• dackdel 6mo ago
  cant wait till they implement turboquant and make ai cheaper again
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• tzury 6mo ago
  Boris Cherny on this https://x.com/bcherny/status/2040206440556826908?s=20 https://x.com/bcherny/status/2040206440556826908?s=20
• tiarafawn 6mo ago
  Could the real reason for this be more centered around generation and control of new training data? I suspect the same for the forced high AI usage quotas for developers at MS etc. We've had multiple generations of models trained on all of the code that's available and there are diminishing returns on how much that data can do for training now. Newly published publicly available data is also made up of a significant portion of slop. The best way to get fresh training data from real human brains might be to have real humans use your first party tools where you control all of the telemetry.
• yoyohello13 6mo ago
  You can basically do what open claw does with native Claude code features now anyway.
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• raverbashing 6mo ago
  It looks like the chickens came to roost much earlier than expected, including the fall in RAM prices
• kh_hk 6mo ago
  The same reason I would not use a proprietary text editor applies to harnesses. It's enough of a constraint to use a proprietary service, for me the line is at the tooling. Sunk cost and all it's things.
• eternaut 6mo ago
  Anthropic might underestimate how many users got a subscription because of openclaw and the likes. I did; $100 max subscription. Not renewing it. GLM and minimax are viable alternatives for a fraction of the cost.
• Larrikin 6mo ago
  Some of the vigorous defending of Claude changing the deal, makes me wonder if Open Claw is banned because they have their own version they are working on deploying.
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• snthpy 6mo ago
  I thought this had already been the case for a while?
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• karlpoppery 6mo ago
  Is any code that auto launches Claude Code considered a "harness"? I'm hoping that they won't bother you unless you specifically max out the subscription limits every time
  • dabeeeenster 6mo ago
    I don't see where they are going to draw the line. If I run 4 sessions in tmux, all connected to claude code, is that OK?
• ramon156 6mo ago
  May I suggest trying Z.ai coding plan? I've had a good experience, and its 1/3rd of the price. When I do use AI, I already have a solid plan of what I need. Sometimes I ask it to look something up. I never do both in one prompt. GLM 5.1 can do both, and its way way cheaper. I also don't hit my limit that fast (Plus I get to use it in OpenCode).
  • upcoming-sesame 6mo ago
    which plan do you suggest ? 80$/m ?
  • Alifatisk 6mo ago
    Now is also a good time because they have a discount offer this month for using GLM-5-Turbo. During off-peak hours, only 1x multiplier will be deducted (otherwise it is 2x). I’m am on the Lite plan and have never maxed my usage quota (their Christmas deal offered 3 month for 7$).
  • breisa 6mo ago
    They also do not allow non-coding usage of their coding plan in their ToS.
  • RickHull 6mo ago
    I have been very disappointed in the Lite plan over the last few months. It started great, but they are obviously quantizing and cutting costs on the low end plans. The agents go into bad loops and contradict themselves, inject chinese characters, etc. There is obvious compression happening which makes it unreliable and unsuitable for serious work.
• dev0p 6mo ago
  Just in time for my subscription to expire. Goodbye!
• dvt 6mo ago
  Running locally or privately (in the cloud) is the future. Anthropic/OAI will need to recoup (astronomical) training costs and I'm not going to be their bailout plan, especially considering training was done on torrented & copyrighted data anyway. Public model inference quality is almost at SOTA levels, why would anyone pay these VC-subsidized companies even a cent? For a shitty chat interface? Give me a break.
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• rane 6mo ago
  Why doesn't OpenAI introduce $100/mo plan? Surely many would switch in a heartbeat
  • krupan 6mo ago
    Maybe because they don't want to lose money even faster than Anthropic is?
    • rane 6mo ago
      Is that also why they allow to use their subscriptions in OpenClaw and 3rd party harnesses?
• dgellow 6mo ago
  Makes sense, yes. That’s definitely not sustainable
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• mikkupikku 6mo ago
  I had an idea to use `claude -p` to break apart books and annotate all dialogue with estimated speaker meta-data. The tips displaying in interactive claude sessions keep seeming to advocate for such experimentation with claude -p, but despite this I have deliberately held back because after reading the TOS (weeks ago) I couldn't clearly make out where the line is meant to be. The existence of `claude -p` is confusing to me.
• logicallee 6mo ago
  Has anyone gotten Google's open offline model Gemma 4 (released yesterday) working with OpenClaw? It didn't work for me as an agent with OpenClaw.
• davidkunz 6mo ago
  We need Net Neutrality for LLMs.
• amelius 6mo ago
  Maybe after net neutrality we should have AI neutrality too. So you can use it how you see fit without stupid restrictions.
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  • topherhunt 6mo ago
    I don't get it - in what way is this bait-and-switch? Anthropic's terms have made it amply clear that your claude subscription can only be used with Anthropic-provided tools, not with 3rd-party harnesses. I imagine anyone who uses OpenClaw is AI-savvy enough to be aware of that, and happily flouted those terms anyway. If anything Anthropic seems overly accommodating here by giving all flouters a month of free credit, rather than simply saying "sorry yall but we're gonna start enforcing that thing our TOS has said from the start". The premise of the subscription isn't "giant bucket of ultra-cheap tokens that you can use however you want", it's "giant bucket of ultra-cheap tokens that you can use with OUR tools, within reasonable limits". Even if their TOS didn't prohibit OpenClaw-oids, I wouldn't consider this bait-and-switch, I'd consider it a reasonable and needed move.
    • nickthegreek 6mo ago
      There ToS didn’t use to say that. It does now, that is the bait and switch. FYI, openai says their sub IS a giant bucket of tokens you can use however you want.
• merlindru 6mo ago
  I still haven't got this email, anyone else?
• himata4113 6mo ago
  I disagree with the sentiment here. Anthropic is profiting off everything they do, subscriptions not so much, but they are definitely not losing money in a way most people claim they do. These subscriptions are not only advertisement, but also the reason why trying to load the claude user account on github errors out. IMO, the goal here is clear: they want them to use their software, have people build an ecosystem around their software, they want to have visibility around their software. It's never about capacity or usage, they just want to have the claude ecosystem, there is a reason why they don't support AGENTS.MD or other initiatives, they want everything to be theirs and theirs alone. You can argue that 'well fair', but to me this is clear abuse of their position in the market.
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• fcanesin 6mo ago
  Anthropic is a great showing for startup founders how if you have a great product people will buy it, even if they dislike your pricing, your marketing and the CEO opinions. Real PMF sells itself. The risk is of course the competition catching up, I bet switching costs are very low on this setup.
• Alifatisk 6mo ago
  Skimming through the comments, it feels like I am reading the same message over and over. I agree with some comments that are pointing out the issue with Anthropics capacity constraints and when Subscription vs Api is appropriate. I would like to point out something else. I have Z.ai subscription and they have a dashboard on my usage. When trying out Openclaw a while ago, I noted something worrying. Its constantly consuming tokens, every single hour during the day, it consumed tokens. I could see over a period of 30 days, token usage would climb and climb and climb and then shrink to bottom again, as if Openclaw did a context window compaction. Note, this usage was happening even though I wasn’t using it. It were always running and doing something in the background. I believe its their Heartbeat.md mechanism. By default it’s set to run every half an hour. I changed it to twice a day, that was enough to me. I can imagine if thousands of users where connecting their Openclaw instance with default config to Claude with the latest and greatest Opus model, that must’ve felt a bit.
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  • predkambrij 6mo ago
    Yeah, its heartbeat. If you keep HEARTBEAT.md empty, it won't be consuming tokens every half an hour. Use cron for periodic tasks if possible, but if you need LLM to process something periodically, that's what heartbeat is for. Z burned 166mio tokens in last 30 days, majority was the heartbeat. Definitely wouldn't pay for that if it wouldn't be the subscription. It uses 1-4% of every 5h quotas. Definitely not sustainable, but I take the opportunity to learn things while it lasts.
    • Alifatisk 6mo ago
      Have you tried switching to smaller models like GLM-4.5-air for Openclaw? I’m thinking you’d consume way less of the hourly quota. Often times, the smaller models are decent enough when the task is not complex.
• RIMR 6mo ago
  I didn't even realize you could connect a standard subscription to OpenClaw in the first place. It seems like you would run into limits rather quickly, which would degrade the experience quite badly. Anthropic's current business model is to sell access to their tools to subscribers at a loss. Users maxing out their $200/month plan can realistically cost Anthropic $500-600 in actual compute costs. Anthropic is okay with this right now because they want to amass as many users as they can, and eventually hope that GPUs will increase in power and efficiency, and their LLMs will become more efficient as well. They can eventually profit off of their current pricing, or with modest price increases, if that comes to fruition. But letting OpenClaw wake up every 30 minutes and start sending requests is a surefire way to max out your weekly limits, and that certainly isn't something Anthropic planned for.
• sunaookami 6mo ago
  It's the tragedy of the commons where OpenClaw users abuse the system and everyone has to suffer.
• steveharing1 6mo ago
  It seems like they are suffering from compute problems bcs they are not only allowing OpenClaw but also limiting the chats
• ugiox 6mo ago
  Literally :rofl: here. About all the people panicking that they suddenly can’t work anymore. Come on, how did you work and develop three years ago without AI? If you can’t program or understand code without an LLM you should maybe switch careers and not call yourself engineers. In the meantime, I have never touched Claude, Copilot, or what not, and continue to write my low level code used in real engineering and manufacturing plants as well as science labs. And since most/all of this isn’t really working through/with AI (as some colleagues in the field have tried and miserably failed) I can increase my rates and have started to charge a good amount more from clients. As they can’t find people anymore that are willing to understand the problems and deliver working code. The people are busy trying to get AI work in the my field instead of doing the real work that is asked. Literally :rofl: on how AI makes me more money without having to use and touch it. If this continues as it does, I might be able to retire soon (40s) and go back to study physics as I did and maybe engage in some theoretical physics PHD (self financed).
• ChildOfChaos 6mo ago
  I’m feel like the decent AI models are going to become out of reach for normal people soon enough. Even the $20 subscription is ridiculously limited and they keep adding more and more limits. The $200 a month sub is insane and only going to get worse and yet still limited
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• onchainintel 6mo ago
  Read this earlier as well. A lot of OpemClaw jockets are going to wake up to some very unfriendly news! That said, spot on points re: subscription services biz model.
• juanre 6mo ago
  I am genuinely curious about OpenClaw's continuing allure. I understood it way back then, when Claude Cowork did not have channels and scheduled tasks. But now? Has Claude not become a sane replacement for OpenClaw? I can see that it's fun to play with OpenClaw and non-SOTA providers, but why would anyone run OpenClaw on a Claude Code subscription?
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• small_model 6mo ago
  Why do this, the subscription has usage limits so its controlled that way, who cares what you use it for?
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• lokimedes 6mo ago
  Goodbye customers.
• bilalbayram 6mo ago
  Sorry but it is pathetic to support this decision
• floriferous 6mo ago
  I think openAI and Anthropic are getting ready to launch their next generation of models (Claude 5 and GPT 6), which will quickly make us hit our rate-limits and we'll start entering a world where most people will start to have/want to pay for additional tokens. We're all just getting too used to having great models for a fraction of the the value they give us.
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• conartist6 6mo ago
  This is what I mean when I say what LLMs as a technology are not empowering to humans. They become how you think, then company has you: hook line and sinker
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• syl5x 6mo ago
  I am actively using ohmypi harness which is based on pi-mono which I believe is within OpenClaw, I don't personally use OpenClaw but I suspect that I will be affected. The reason that I use ohmypi is because I can extend it and put guardrails specific for our company and myself (those are different from SKILLs and more sophisticated than the hooks) + I like the ability to start "tasks" with faster models like gpt5.4-mini for certain tasks and overall have the multi-model capabilities, now all of this seems impossible. I have the $20 sub from OpenAI and it seems that the usage is similar to the $100 plan by Anthropic, I am extensively using GPT5.4 to review and sometimes code along with Opus, right now it seems to me that OpenAI is winning, I can just go with the $200 unlimited usage by OpenAI and use 5.4/5.4mini for everything. On top of that the Chinese models are really capable at the moment, I've tried StepFun and it's really good. Seems to me that Anthropic is sabotaging themselves with those moves. But it is what it is, the cycle of model switching has begun again, I strongly believe that in 2-3 months they will revert that and we will switch models again. :D
  • visarga 6mo ago
    I built a harness where my plans and code are reviewed with 'claude -p' but most work is interactive, now it has been wrecked. I relied and integrated with Anthropic to get burned. I'm not even maxing out my plan, never surpassed 60%. But now I have to pay API pricing on top? This tells me how trustworthy Anthropic is. If you depend on any specific feature you are at their mercy. Prior to Anthropic I have had bad experiences with Windsurf and Cursor, same shit - I pay the plan, they shrink my usage quota after a short time, couple of months or weeks. I never returned to Windsurf after they abused me, and never used Cursor after I got my Claude sub, I have no idea where I'll end up next. Too bad Anthropic is pushing my $200/mo away.
• KronisLV 6mo ago
  Why couldn’t they allow the creation of API keys under subscriptions and just apply more stringent limits to those? Like an API key on a subscription that could be used for 3rd party tools would count 2x towards usage when compared to the same model when used through Claude Code. Or it’d count the same towards weekly or 5 hour limits across all models BUT would have a separate API keys under subscriptions limit that’d be more grounded. A bit like how they already have a separate Sonnet usage counter. That’d both allow them not to go broke and also not lose so much community goodwill AND give subscription users an alternative to paying for their enterprise-oriented (overpriced) tokens.
• ryaneade 6mo ago
  I've been running multiple OpenClaw agents 24/7 since January. While I saw this coming, it was still a kick in the teeth. I've been iterating through workarounds and potential solutions. My OpenClaw gateway costs are estimating roughly 7x what I pay for Max today. https://focusoverfeatures.substack.com/p/claude-max-blocks-openclaw-now-what?r=4zv5hn https://focusoverfeatures.substack.com/p/claude-max-blocks-o...
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• nnurmanov 6mo ago
  That’s how ecosystems start: by cutting out third parties.
• davewritescode 6mo ago
  I haven't gotten this notification yet
• starwing 6mo ago
  Goodbye!
• ed_elliott_asc 6mo ago
  This has been coming for weeks ever since Anthropic changed their terms and conditions “just a tidy up” - when that happened I took everything I had done in open claw and migrated into Claude code with /loop and tbh I’m happier because I can see in terminals what is happening rather than the odd slack message here or there and I can also use slack to receive messages. Thanks openclaw for getting me ahead, I’ve taken that and am in Claude code again.
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• andrew_eu 6mo ago
  Disappointing. I built a lovely little Nanoclaw bot that's been surprisingly helpful at raising a puppy. I haven't gotten this email, so I wonder if my usage is too low to catch their first pass. If they shut it down though, the fix is straightforward -- some API based backend with zero stickiness to Anthropic. It is a pity though. For less than an hour of setup the Nanoclaw bot proved enormously useful at tracking meal times, training progress, etc and the interface was easy enough for the family to get involved. The ease of setup was really remarkable, and Anthropic creating artificial barriers just seems user hostile.
  • kevlened 6mo ago
    Nanoclaw uses the official claude agent sdk, so it should be unaffected.
• warrence 6mo ago
  What should we use next for coding in openclaw
  • polski-g 6mo ago
    You shouldn't be doing that. Run OpenCode Kimaki for coding and use a cheap LLM for whatever you need Claw for.
• ungreased0675 6mo ago
  This reminds me of crypto in the sense that it’s accessible for normal people to burn incredible amounts of resources trying to accomplish a vague goal.
• pajtai 6mo ago
  Where is the official announcement on https://www.anthropic.com/ https://www.anthropic.com/ or https://claude.com/ https://claude.com/? I haven't gotten an email.
  • fredless 5mo ago
    same question here
• iririririr 6mo ago
  economy 101. price is define by demand curve. they know they will have X subscribers ar $200, and X at $400. why on earth wouldn't they raise prices?
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• mahinbinhasan 6mo ago
  sad news
• xnx 6mo ago
  Hoping this means that we'll see a lot of barely used Mac Minis for sale from the people who were bragging about buying them.
• giancarlostoro 6mo ago
  I feel like they need to be more blatant and up front about this rule because we hear everyone freaking out about either this or the API limits during core hours. Meanwhile because I know to use it out of peak hours, I havent had any downed hours outside of that first month when they didnt rate limit Claude Code to JUST peak usage hours. Personally idk why they dont just make Claude Code more open source friendly. Let the community do PRs for Claude Code. Let us change the tooling, if I could use their own client but swap out the tools it calls and how, I would use like 90% less tokens.
• mostaruk 6mo ago
  Their ultimate goal is to do everything. Eventually, if people are using their service for a specific use case, it's highly likely they will just step in and do it themselves
• arrty88 6mo ago
  OpenAI / Gpt should do the opposite. Let the people use their subscription on openclaw and break down which tasks are efficient vs inefficient. Help openclaw learn to be efficient.
• mariopt 6mo ago
  Last week Z.ai coding plan was unusable due to a lot of people abusing the coding plan with OpenClaw. This can be verified: https://openrouter.ai/z-ai/glm-5-turbo https://openrouter.ai/z-ai/glm-5-turbo OpenClaw managed to burn 2.46 trillion tokens just in the last 30 days. I'm not even gonna judge why someone needs an AI Assistant running 24/7, the core issue is that coding plans are being ruined because they're not paying for ridiculous amount of tokens burned. Anthropic is actually making the right decision: You want a LOT of tokens for your 24/7 agent? Ok, just use the API and pay for your tokens. I enjoy paying for a sub that I actually use to code, and what we pay today is not even enough to cover the costs of running AI servers.
  • dmix 6mo ago
    Every SaaS company has to deal with resource whales Either they pay up or get off
• agrippanux 6mo ago
  I have 0 problem with this. Everybody who was using a Pro subscription with OpenClaw should of expected to be living on borrowed time. The more Anthropic can do to keep the Pro subscriptions at their current price point, the better. It is the best deal in tech imho.
• alexnewman 6mo ago
  I already moved it to chatgpt for a while
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• LogicFailsMe 6mo ago
  You couldn't make me a happier claw^Hm over this. I am running 3-6 simultaneous agents at once and I have trouble breaking 50% weekly usage with a max plan. What these people are doing is just sloppy engineering. OTOH if you use Claude Code to make code changes, then run that code, the max plan remains more or less free beer for as long as it remains free beer for all the reasons cited elsewhere in this thread.
  • MaxikCZ 6mo ago
    are you running opus? Iam able to burn trough 40% of my weekly 20x max plan in one day :(
    • fabbbbb 6mo ago
      How?! That must be like 10 parallel Opus 4.6 with all cranking lots of in and out respectively very long sessions?
      • MaxikCZ 6mo ago
        Actually its just one opus aimed at a codebase with one goal, and instruction to spawn 2 subagents: one worker, that comes up with implementation plan, one validator that validates the proposed plan against my guardrails, and then return back to subagent1 to implement this, where the second subagent again tests the implementation. One loop of this can take 20-60 min, and eat 2-5% of my week limit. I have to actively slow myself down to not burn trough more than 15-20% of my weekly limit in a day (as I also like to work on it on weekends) Sadly I cant share the actual problem I am working on as its not my secret to disclose, but its nothing "crazy", and I am so surprised others dont have similar experience.
        • LogicFailsMe 6mo ago
          Very similar to what I am doing. How big is the codebase? My biggest was about 250K LOC and the usual is about 10K LOC. I am really curious about figuring this out because I'm genuinely puzzled.
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• therealarthur 6mo ago
  Thought this was already something people were getting their accounts banned on? This is new?
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• himmelsee2018 6mo ago
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• psyclobe 6mo ago
  I now use Claude's own telegram plugin with channels mode, no reason to use openclaw anymore.
• yeukhon 6mo ago
  OpenClaw has always been a scammy open source project to me. I don't get the hype and I think people need to stop using it.
• TomGarden 6mo ago
  It seems unclear if this covers all Claude -p uses or just the ones they can identify as misuse/third party. Did they speak on this anywhere? I use Claude -p for a lot if not most of my coding workflows
• ting0 6mo ago
  Whenever Anthropic has an opportunity to do what's right, they go the opposite way. For example, their source leaks, and instead of open-sourcing it like people have been asking to happen for years so they can contribute fixes because Anthropic doesn't care to maintain their own software, they tighten the noose further. If it isn't obvious by now, this problem is only going to get worse. The only reason we have subscriptions still is because they're waiting to pull off the biggest bait and switch in history. Don't get sunk on this ecosystem, or you're in for a world of pain in the future. As has always been the case; competition and open-source are our only hope.
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• Alexzoofficial 6mo ago
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• cloaky233 6mo ago
  People were getting credits worth $15k+ on a 200$ subscription, this had to happen now or later, but my concern stays on them reducing usage in claude code as well!? Like atleast allow us claude code, limits exhaust in minutes nowdays
• maxbeech 6mo ago
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• qaz_plm 6mo ago
  Was successful in getting a prorated yearly subscription refund from their follow-up email.
• Kim_Bruning 6mo ago
  With all the credit, my extra usage is now a pretty large amount! During a recent subscription upgrade, the system started burning through my extra usage at an enormous visible clip. So -ironically perhaps- I've turned off extra usage completely, turned off auto-reload, and -should current trends persist- will probably end up with the extra credit still on balance by the time I delete the account. That said, I currently don't see a viable alternative to Anthropic for me - yet. I'm actively looking, and other options are improving rapidly.
• BiraIgnacio 6mo ago
  I never got OpenClaw and I'm unsure what this means exactly. Would it be just that you can't put your Anthropic API Key/credentials in OpenClaw and use it? Sounds like something easy to bypass, if it's just that.
• WhereIsTheTruth 5mo ago
  The West spent decades throwing money at software and services Now they can't keep up because they never built the infrastructure to actually power any of it
• toniantunovi 5mo ago
  This is a useful forcing function for distinguishing two architectural categories of Claude Code adjacent tooling. Tools that route your API traffic through a third-party harness are definitionally dependent on Anthropic's policy toward that harness. Tools that run locally and integrate via MCP, without touching the API subscription path at all, are outside this restriction entirely because they are just another tool in your local environment. The local-first architecture was always the right one for teams with compliance or privacy requirements. This week is a good illustration of why it is also the right one for teams that just want to avoid dependency on a vendor-intermediary relationship they cannot control.
• Xiaoher-C 5mo ago
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• lolmac7 5mo ago
  Thats why i found this website bayofassets.com they are providing claude api and 11 other models in single api key start from 10$
• nick4911 5mo ago
  I spent today testing every alternative I could find. GLM-5 Turbo (Z.ai (http://z.ai/ http://z.ai/)) was the only one optimized for agentic OpenClaw workflows. I wrote up the full comparison with benchmarks here: https://ai-master.dev/en/article/glm-5-turbo-alternative-claude-openclaw https://ai-master.dev/en/article/glm-5-turbo-alternative-cla...
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• kellp1 5mo ago
  I'm a new Max 5x subscriber ($100/mo) and my account was banned today within hours of upgrading. I was exclusively using the official @anthropic-ai/claude-code CLI to research usage policies for a personal project. It seems the April 4th automated sweep for third-party harnesses (OpenClaw/OpenCode) has a high false-positive rate for users on the official CLI. I don't use my Anthropic token with any unofficial tools. Has anyone else on the Max tier been flagged while using the official tools?
• Alexzoofficial 5mo ago
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• oyebenny 5mo ago
  Good call.
• ankitsanghi 5mo ago
  The 5 hour limit is total bs because I end up hitting the limit in just 20 minutes. One single invocation of superpowers on fixing a single GitHub issue that's not super complex eats up all my context. It's barely usable at this point.
• maryjeiel 5mo ago
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• lambdascript 5mo ago
  The decision makes sense, but the developer experience around it is terrible. I assumed OAuth would work for third-party integrations — turns out you need a separate API key with separate billing, and there was zero documentation pointing you in that direction before the cutoff. Anthropic ships fast and the product is great, but they could really learn from Stripe: when your users are engineers, clear docs aren't a nice-to-have — they're your entire sales funnel.
• borakostem 5mo ago
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• justinbhandley 5mo ago
  Been building an agentic project manager for the past month — tasks, notes, habits, build and schedule as many agents as you want. Runs entirely through Claude Code on the command line, so subscriptions work. Feels like the right moment to share it: https://github.com/pirateandfox/task-os https://github.com/pirateandfox/task-os
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• fabsbags 5mo ago
  Makes sense from a capacity perspective. I use Claude Code daily for building MCP servers and it works great. Glad the core products aren't affected.
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• kenny1338 5mo ago
  I had the same problem. Built a Telegram gateway that routes through claude -p (the CLI, still covered by subscription). Self-managing triggers, voice, single Python file. MIT licensed: https://github.com/Kenny1338/claude-telegram-gateway https://github.com/Kenny1338/claude-telegram-gateway
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