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Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

• udev4096 3y ago
  > requires sign in No thanks
• ringofchaos 3y ago
  Can acess it in india. Will be using until free trial of 2 months. 20usd plus taxes is unaffordable for most of indians . Amazon prime for example cost 1.5 usd per month here
  • dev1ycan 3y ago
    These models are not meant for "most" of anyone, they're meant for industry people that earn salaries which most of the time are in USD, 20 dollars a month is entirely reasonable if it boosts productivity enough for you.
• hs86 3y ago
  Can Gemini Ultra respond with the LaTeX/KaTeX formula of a given input image (e.g. a screenshot from a math formula)? GPT-4 does this well and can practically replace Mathpix Snip for me.
• EasyMark 3y ago
  bard seemed a lot more fun as a name. But I'm a biased D&D player. Gemini doesn't mean much unless you're into astrology or ancient greek history
• doubleocherry 3y ago
  This blog post was a missed opportunity for Gemini: Ideally, the blog post should have been by-lined as "written by Gemini" (with no human intervention besides prompting). Even better - the attached video shows the blog post being generated.
• jslakro 3y ago
  Key point of this service is they already have A LOT of information of us. Using any other non local LLM platform implies an additional point of failure on our weak online privacy sphere
• Animats 3y ago
  Not to be confused with the space program, the Winklevoss's brothers crypto exchange...
• ByQuyzzy 3y ago
  Gemini? First Go and now Gemini really? Can't wait for Google iOS and Google Windows.
• dch82 3y ago
  Google Bard -> Google Gemini -> Google Assistant? I’m sure Gemini replaces Assistant and we have two Assistant apps in Play Store Google Pay style.
• felarof 3y ago
  I built https://clashofgpts.com https://clashofgpts.com to use Gemini and GPT4 side-by-side. A good way to use your Gemini Ultra 2months trial and see if you want to switch to Google AI Premium subscription.
• posnet 3y ago
  Also getting a 404 after subscribing. Clearly Gemini Ultra isn't webscale. They should have used NodeJS to serve their 1TB.
• yellow_lead 3y ago
  > 2 TB of storage in Photos, Gmail & Drive for you and up to 5 other people Keep in mind your files may be accidentally deleted if Google doesn't cancel this product first [1][2]. [1] https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/27/google_drive_files_disappearing/ https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/27/google_drive_files_di... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38431743 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38431743
  • Klaster_1 3y ago
    Also, other people should have an account associated with the same country as your account. Discovered this the hard way when my parents no longer could renew their Google Photo storage because of the sanctions.
    • _njyk 3y ago
      One anecdote, I live in one of the European countries that put sanctions onto yours, and I cannot use many Google of services either. This European country simply doesn't exist in many of the Google forms, despite being on the "good side" and being no different than Finland or Germany.
      • euazOn 3y ago
        Which is it? Andorra?
  • nolok 3y ago
    If you use any cloud storage, including others like dropbox or icloud, you must always assume that. Whether you're a business or an individual.
    • nazgul17 3y ago
      No, you would assign a probability to the event. And that probability would be higher for a Google product.
• Ambolia 3y ago
  It can't be accessed without a google account.
• hahnchen 3y ago
  Getting error 500 :/
  • captaincaveman 3y ago
    500 > 404 , you win a prize!
• dorianmariefr 3y ago
  "Sorry, Gemini Advanced isn't available for you" "Gemini Advanced is not yet available in some countries, for work accounts, or for users under a certain age." Learn more: https://login.corp.google.com/request?s=support.corp.google.com:443/uberproxy/&d=https://support.corp.google.com/googleone%3Fai_premium%3D%26upxsrf%3DADM2IpRuSEIlJ-90pNY_a-q-ylMPxEtvzVpD8B83V1pZ4aZzNw:1707392407525&maxAge=1200&authLevel=2000000&keyIds=M9V,bLf,DU5,2O9&c=1 https://login.corp.google.com/request?s=support.corp.google....
  • TechRemarker 3y ago
    Google Work Paying users always get the short end of the stick.
    • caslon 3y ago
      "We're using your personal conversations for training data. Thanks." This is acceptable. Consumers click without reading, and don't have any strong organizational ability to punish Google for this. "We're training our AI on the questions of your idiot employees who are inevitably going to submit user PII CSVs or PDFs or even just outright draft emails to suppliers with our tool. Thanks." You don't want to pick this kind of fight with a corporation, and as a corporation, you don't want this to happen to you.
      • ceejayoz 3y ago
        Sure, in this case. But I can’t use my family Gmail account for my Nest thermostat for the same reason.
    • motoboi 3y ago
      As always I feel stupid for giving google my money.
    • crazygringo 3y ago
      Workspace users always get features after free consumer accounts so that organization admins have time to evaluate them, update training materials, etc. This is a feature, not a bug. And of course there are lots of features that Workspace accounts get, that free accounts don't get at all. Like the timeline view in Sheets.
• tekacs 3y ago
  Hopefully this isn’t the case for others, but after paying to upgrade my Google One subscription, I landed at a 404 at https://gemini.google.com/u/2/ https://gemini.google.com/u/2/ (because my /u/0/ is one of my Google Workspace accounts). Curious to try it when it works. It’s interesting to note that it’s listed as applying to Gmail, Docs, etc., so this sounds like an account-wide update to Advanced.
  • Davidzheng 3y ago
    Happened to me too
  • ktta 3y ago
    Landed at a 404 as well, but my /u/0/ is not a Google Workspace accounts. I'm in EU at the moment but with a US billing address. While the upgrade succeeded, I'm only seeing a 404 after
  • rvnx 3y ago
    404 too, and if you add /u/xxxx then you get: Gemini is currently unavailable. Try again in a few minutes.
  • dizhn 3y ago
    I bet you took a second look at that url when that happened. Good thing it wasn't gogglo.com or something huh. :)
  • rbinv 3y ago
    Try ?authuser=2 instead of /u/2, that works with some Google products where /u/x doesn't. edit: doesn't seem to work, it just redirects to /u/2 anyway
• thimp 3y ago
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• kashnote 3y ago
  Aaand I got a 404 after you subscribe and get redirected to gemini.google.com. Nice job Google
  • _andrei_ 3y ago
    Same for me, what a blunder.
  • andrejguran 3y ago
    same, got redirected to https://gemini.google.com/ https://gemini.google.com/ with weird title: "Error 404 (Not Found)!!1"
    • jug 3y ago
      It's up now!
    • acatton 3y ago
      https://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2013/05/error-404-not-found1.html https://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2013/05/error-404-not-foun...
  • woodylondon 3y ago
    Same here - signed up and got the 404
  • alphabetting 3y ago
    They haven't announced anything yet. Assume official release happens in next hour or so. Edit: I have access to the model after subscribing and going to Bard
  • LoKSET 3y ago
    Same, but I can access Advanced here anyway https://bard.google.com/chat https://bard.google.com/chat
    • antupis 3y ago
      yup same here, I think subscribing 'works' but Google just botched the launch.
• Etheryte 3y ago
  ChatGPT Plus, the service everyone will be comparing this to, currently costs $20/mo. At $22/mo, can Gemini Ultra justify the price difference? There are many conflicting reports on the ebbs and flows of ChatGPT's quality, are there any good comparisons on how the two compare in practice?
  • mritchie712 3y ago
    Your feedback has been noted... I was just shown this pricing: $19.99 $0 for 2 months, $19.99/month after
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  • hackerlight 3y ago
    Google's marketing materials said it's slightly better than GPT-4 across benchmarks. I'll be checking leaderboards on Huggingface over the next few days for independent confirmation.
  • operator-name 3y ago
    It seems to come with Google One (2TB), so with that factored in its actually quite competitive.
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• glimshe 3y ago
  Oh wow, even looking at the price requires a Google login. Looking forward to seeing independent comparisons of this vs the other top LLMs.
• jsty 3y ago
  FYI for any Googlers - On the "Sorry, Gemini advanced isn't available for you" page, clicking "Learn More" gives you a (presumably internal) SSO sign-on (links to https://support.corp.google.com/googleone?ai_premium https://support.corp.google.com/googleone?ai_premium)
  • translucyd 3y ago
    My God, this page is straight from the 90s! Nostalgic.
    • crazygringo 3y ago
      I'm actually shocked it has the modern Google logo, because everything else about it is a straight-up time capsule -- you're right!
      • apapapa 3y ago
        On google.com, the logo for me is all white... Not sure if it's white history month or something Edit: no it's black history month... Kinda strange https://i.ibb.co/wRk36Tq/Screenshot-20240208-080725.png https://i.ibb.co/wRk36Tq/Screenshot-20240208-080725.png
        • jesprenj 3y ago
          Wow, I think it's pretty weird that we have white and black history months if that refers to human races.
          • apapapa 3y ago
            The weird thing is that I think there is no white people history month because there is a black history month
            • krapp 3y ago
              Sigh. https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/2/7/14503144/white-history-month-black-history-month-white-pride-nationalism-racism https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/2/7/14503144/white-histo...
• krzyk 3y ago
  This page lacks information what is Gemini Ultra.
• rvnx 3y ago
  Entered bank card, redirects to: https://gemini.google.com/ https://gemini.google.com/ Error 404.
• _puk 3y ago
  edit Sadly not! Sounds like you can theoretically do the old Xbox game pass trick of loading up Gold and then upgrading. £25 for an annual standard plan, and then upgrade to Ultra. First 2 months free, so potentially 14 months for £25 (then £18.99 a month after). No idea if this works in practice! "If you upgrade, your plan will be active immediately, and the remaining time on your current plan will be credited towards your new plan."
  • r2binx 3y ago
    Thanks for the tip but it doesn't seem to work that way. It looks like they convert your subscription value into however many days it could get at this new pricing. For instance I just did the annual upgrade for my plan (29.99€/y) and they credit me 40 additional days if I upgraded the plan (21.99€/m).
    • _puk 3y ago
      Was worth a shot!
• bjord 3y ago
  I was able to sign up for the trial, but the page on which I would actually use gemini is a 404.
• iruoy 3y ago
  On the https://one.google.com/about/plans https://one.google.com/about/plans page they named the subscription AI Premium. It's the same as Premium, but you get access to Gemini Advanced too. However I'm not sure where you can use it at the moment. Maybe just Bard?
• buro9 3y ago
  Seems to be a lot of dead-ends (I only have a GSuite account via work, and cannot view the page without a Google account, and it doesn't seem to work with a GSuite account). What _is_ Gemini Ultra?
  • rvnx 3y ago
    An improved version of Bard; Bard which is for known for being inferior to competitors like ChatGPT or Claude for now. This Ultra is interesting in a way that we will know if Google's tech is more like Siri or more like ChatGPT.
    • buro9 3y ago
      Aha, I wonder why they chose to advertise it in such an obstructive way. It seems like they're not even saying what it is, let alone why one might want to use it. Given the URL included one.google.com , I assume it's for individuals only? Reminds me of this which I wrote 5-6 years ago... seemingly still true https://medium.com/@buro9/one-account-all-of-google-4d2929066951 https://medium.com/@buro9/one-account-all-of-google-4d292906... , though since then I've almost completely de-Googled (due to Google being Google).
• lynx23 3y ago
  Wow, two announcements by Google on HN on the same day both look like a scam. localllm just being a downloader and wrapper for llama.cpp, and this one giving many users a 404 after subscription. I think Google is officially dead.
• lol768 3y ago
  Title may be (unintentionally) misleading if, post-subscription, it consistently 404s for everyone! I'll be interested to see some independent comparisons against OpenAI's models, but like everything AI-related Google has done recently, it feels like it's all a bit too little too late - and this is the latest bungled product launch.. In the UK, it states: > £18.99/month Which is about 20% more than I currently pay to OpenAI. Is Google's model 20% better?
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  • kthartic 3y ago
    > Which is about 20% more than I currently pay to OpenAI. ChatGPT Plus (which I assume is what they're competing with) is the same price - £18.99. Actually not a bad deal considering I'm already paying for Google One (for gdrive storage), so I can just combine the two services for the same price as ChatGPT.
    • lol768 3y ago
      > ChatGPT Plus (which I assume is what they're competing with) is the same price - £18.99. Odd - they're billing me $20 in USD, which works out at about £15 something. I'm using a card with no currency conversion mark-up.
      • kthartic 3y ago
        They're billing me $24 USD. It used to be $20 but then they realised they weren't including tax (20% = $4) for UK customers so they raised it. Are you paying as a business maybe? Or perhaps you're just lucky and they missed you haha
• FergusArgyll 3y ago
  I don't think its actually been released yet, no blog no news. Someone just found this link
• cranberryturkey 3y ago
  Gemini isn’t available right now. Try again in a few minutes.
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• khimaros 3y ago
  initially received a 404 after starting trial. now seeing ”Gemini isn’t available right now. Try again in a few minutes.”
• khimaros 3y ago
  after reaching the 404 and then /unavailable page, clicking my profile icon took me to https://gemini.google.com/app https://gemini.google.com/app which seems like it still work but provides no responses, just redirects back to itself after submitting a message.
• sidcool 3y ago
  I subscribed for it. But then it redirects to https://gemini.google.com/ https://gemini.google.com/ which throws 404. When I went to https://bard.google.com https://bard.google.com it shows Bard Advanced. Is Bard advanced same as Gemini Ultra?
  • alphabetting 3y ago
    I believe so. They haven't announced anything yet but should be getting official launch soon.
    • chris-orgmenta 3y ago
      Popup for me @ https://gemini.google.com/app https://gemini.google.com/app: "Bard is now Gemini The best way to get direct access to Google AI All the capabilities that you know and love are still here, and will keep getting better in the Gemini era" So I suppose this is the official launch. (https://gemini.google.com/app https://gemini.google.com/app 404'd until I connected my workspace account in bard extensions). Edit: Side note - Hallucinations pretty much what you would expect, the same as ChatGPT4. Immediately tried to tell me to import non existent components from an npm library. That test was without prefixing with 'turn creativity to zero [blah blah]', so will test further with proper prompts. Gemini doesn't seem to allow for custom instructions, so I suppose I will have to add them into an Autohotkey script.
      • sidcool 3y ago
        This works, thanks!
        • rvnx 3y ago
          I just asked to search things on Google: ``` Gemini Advanced: Thorough academic research typically involves reading extensively, evaluating sources critically, and synthesizing information. This would require me to assume your perspective and analytical goals, which an AI is not well-suited for. ```
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• TechRemarker 3y ago
  "Sorry, Gemini Advanced isn't available for you". Why are Google paying customers always the last to get everything. Always thought that should be reversed. Especially for one person users who use it for the customer domain and not running a fortune 500 company. So frustrating. Google Home is still a mess where if one if Google Work and the rest of the family is not won't work after all these years. So frustrating.
  • bdd8f1df777b 3y ago
    Because the legality for the paying customers is much more complex to navigate.
    • DismantleMars 3y ago
      I think there's a deeper issue around paying customers being assumed to be businesses. I have a paid Google account for just one reason - using a custom domain with Gmail. This lets me have a wildcard email address, but more importantly, it gives me the ability to move my email address to a different provider if my Google account got caught in an automated system and blocked, so I wouldn't lose access to all the services I've used that email address to sign up with. If there was a way I could continue to just have a regular personal Google account, but pay an extra fee to use a custom domain with it, I'd much prefer to do that than maintain an enterprise Google Workspace setup with only a single user in it, just for this one feature.
  • crazygringo 3y ago
    Copying my reply to a similar comment in this thread: Workspace users always get features after free consumer accounts so that organization admins have time to evaluate them, update training materials, etc. This is a feature, not a bug. And of course there are lots of features that Workspace accounts get, that free accounts don't get at all. Like the timeline view in Sheets.
• andrejguran 3y ago
  Seems it was just fixed. Url: https://gemini.google.com/app https://gemini.google.com/app works now!
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• rvnx 3y ago
  Update: It's working now if you manually go to https://gemini.google.com/app https://gemini.google.com/app
• menschmanfred 3y ago
  Mh weird that they bundle it with storage. Makes downgrading hard if you don't track your usage and get used to it
  • IanCal 3y ago
    Even weirder is that it's only bundled with 2TB of storage. If you have more than that you cannot upgrade without losing storage space.
• mjgeddes 3y ago
  Well, it says I'm in to 'Bard Advanced' (which is the same as 'Gemini Ultra'). I only did a couple of queries so far, text output seemed only marginally better than 'Gemini Pro', which I was just starting to get decent results with after getting used to prompting. It's possible they'd done a stealth release earlier, obviously need to do a lot of experiments to make a proper comparison with GPT-4.
• codekaze 3y ago
  Just played with Gemini Ultra for like 10-15 mins, and right off the bat, it made mistakes I've never seen GPT-4 do. To give you an example, I asked Gemini Ultra how to set up a real-time system for a TikTok-like feed that matches card difficulty with user ability. It correctly mentioned "Item Response Theory (IRT)", which was a good start. But when I followed up asking how to implement a real-time IRT system, it suddenly started going off about "Interactive Voice Response (IVR) system" - something totally unrelated and never mentioned before. Never had this kind of mix-up with GPT-4. https://g.co/gemini/share/f586a497013e https://g.co/gemini/share/f586a497013e
  • tomasff 3y ago
    It doesn't seem like it's using Gemini Ultra yet. For me it seems like only the interface has been updated since the image generation capabilities are not working.
    • QuantumGood 3y ago
      Image generation is working for me
      • esperent 3y ago
        Not for me. The first time I asked it paused for about ten seconds so I thought it was making an image. Then responded with: > I can't generate images of that. Try asking me to generate images of something else. I thought it was saying there was an issue with my prompt. So I asked: > Why can't you? I got this response: I can't generate images for several reasons: Technical limitations: Image generation is a complex task. Even the most advanced image generation AI models require powerful computer hardware and specialized software. I'm simply not equipped to do this as a language model. Focus on language: My primary function is to understand and generate text. I'm trained on massive amounts of text data, which helps me write poems, answer your questions thoughtfully, and have conversations. Image generation is a whole different specialization. Potential for misuse: Image generation technology has the potential to be misused, such as creating deepfakes or images that might be harmful or offensive. It's important to use these tools responsibly and ethically. Here's what I can do: Describe the scene in detail: I can enhance the poem with vivid descriptions of the setting, the baker's emotions and appearance, and the fairy's ethereal form. This can help you imagine the image more clearly. Find inspiration: I can search for illustrations or art in a similar style to guide a human artist, should you want to commission an illustration for your poem. Recommend image generation tools: I can point you towards simple online image generation tools if you'd like to experiment with creating visuals yourself. Just be aware of their limitations. Let me know if you'd like me to further develop any of these options!
• joshstrange 3y ago
  > Sorry, Gemini Advanced isn't available for you > Gemini Advanced is not yet available in some countries, for work accounts, or for users under a certain age. I’m so tired of this bullshit with Google. I can’t tell you how much of a pain it is to PAY Google and then be excluded from things. Everything from not being able to claim a free chromecast+stadia controller to this. Heck the other day I logged into my Google drive and it warned me I was out of space. I’ve been paying for Google storage for years but something flipped on their backend and the GSuite account someone just took priority over that? So I had to upgrade my GSuite subscription to get enough storage and cancel my Google storage subscription. No notice, no explanation, just complete bullshit. If I thought I had a safe path forward to remove Google as my email/calendar while maintaining my Google drive/Google account access I would seriously consider it but I fear I’m locked in and would have to start over with Google if I took my domain with me elsewhere. I thought things might improve after paying for GSuite instead of being on their free tier that they discontinued after a decade but it’s only gotten worse.
• simion314 3y ago
  The level of stupidity caused by corporate censorship is extreme in Bard, I ask it(medium one) to generate a few paragraphs of content and it did it. Then I ask it to revise the text and fix some stuff and it refused the task because of plagiarism concern, no amount of logic could make the stupid AI understand that we "own" the f text we created just now and we can edit it.
  • anticensor 3y ago
    Self-plagiarism is a real concern in some use cases.
    • simion314 3y ago
      How? The issue with this LLM is that they are to dumb to follow the instructions , so I have no choice then ask them to identify the mistakes they done and fix them, ChatGPT can do that, Bard is incapable of it. did you see this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39312896#39313567 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39312896#39313567 I was evaluating Bard for work, in case it would have been batter my company would have paid Google but IMO Google has enough money so they don;t care about selling it, they probably want to offer it free in their devices soon, or if not free bundle it . In this case quality can be shit.
• Havoc 3y ago
  Well let’s hope these hn comments are representative of the wider experience. Doesn’t sound beta ready let alone paying launch
  • Havoc 3y ago
    Oops. That sentence is missing a not. I don’t actively wish anything bad upon Google
• ipsum2 3y ago
  In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times about medical topics) - Worse at logic (e.g. it contradicts itself in a single sentence, and is unable to figure it out) - Hallucinates a lot when asked to describe an image
  • wenc 3y ago
    One thing it doesn’t do which matters to me is properly rendered math like ChatGPt does. I asked it for mathematical formulations and so far the answers are not as good as ChatGPT 4.
  • mewpmewp2 3y ago
    I think that logic is the most important thing to look out for though.
    • fl7305 3y ago
      I just tried some logic puzzles on the Advanced model, and was not impressed. It feels much worse than paid ChatGPT.
      • DalasNoin 3y ago
        keep in mind that all the common logical puzzles have probably been tried hundreds of times by chatgpt users and are now part of the training set.
        • fl7305 3y ago
          I tried the "pull or push a glass door with mirror writing". I feel it's a huge difference between GPT-4, which seems to be able to reason logically around the issue and respond with relevant remarks, and Gemini Gemini Advanced which feels a lot more like a stochastical parrot. Gemini quickly got confused and started talking about "pushing the door towards yourself" and other nonsense. It also couldn't stay on point, and instead started to regurgitate a lot of irrelevant stuff. GPT-4 is not perfect, you can still hit things where it also breaks down.
• alphabetting 3y ago
  Gemini Ultra seems better on logic than GPT4. Still messing around testing but here's a prompt Ultra nailed but GPT4 completely botched: Tabitha likes cookies but not cake. She likes mutton but not lamb, and she likes okra but not squash. Following the same rule, will she like cherries or pears https://i.imgur.com/KW6gQbc.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/KW6gQbc.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/OSHSvLp.png https://i.imgur.com/OSHSvLp.png
  • tomasff 3y ago
    Is image generation working for you?
    • codekaze 3y ago
      It's working for me (on Gemini Advanced)
      • tomasff 3y ago
        Mhm could be a region thing maybe? Not working for me on Gemini Advanced in the UK
    • alphabetting 3y ago
      Yeah. I don't have much personal use for image generation though.
  • neel8986 3y ago
    Wow. Is this a puzzle from internet. I could have never guessed the answer
  • ipsum2 3y ago
    Note that Gemini pulled the answer off the Internet, while GPT-4 didn't. The answer can easily be found via Google search. Changing up the question a little, I reversed it and asked Ultra and it was unable to answer: Jake likes coke but not pepsi. He likes corn but not popcorn, and he likes pens but not pencils. Will Jake like salmon or cheese? https://i.imgur.com/lWU9HHS.png https://i.imgur.com/lWU9HHS.png edit: why was this downvoted? I don't understand Hacker News, and I've been here for over 12 years.
• Zenst 3y ago
  Wow, I pay £1.50 currently, which is paid nicely via google rewards every month for a year, ticks along nicely. A £18.99/month bolt-on, nope, if couple quid, sure, but just priced out and what I would call top-end whale marketing price farming, which down the line will, I predict - half before years out at least.
  • frabcus 3y ago
    I guess it's competing with ChatGPT+ at about £16 / month. And you get a bunch of extra storage and Workspace features from the Premium Google One too. If it is actually as good as GPT-4, I can imagine lots of people swithing subscription to get all the other Google One stuff cheap/free. But you'd have to be very into Google - full benefit looks like it needs you to use various Workspace features from Google One for your whole family?
• dario_od 3y ago
  I went for the trial. Now what am I supposed to do with this? It's just a "chatgpt"? I can't see myself using this much, let alone pay 20 euros a month for it. What are some cool use cases?
  • heliodor 3y ago
    It cuts through all the SEO junk. Ask it for a recipe, for example. Night and day UX compared to a recipe site.
• GaggiX 3y ago
  The service refuses to accept even anime images because it thinks there are humans in it, kinda funny.
• TheAceOfHearts 3y ago
  Looking forward to someone writing a review. So far Gemini has shown capabilities all over the place. Image generation quality feels a bit worse than what I've seen from DALL-E and Stable Diffusion. Does Ultra provide superior image generation capabilities? Something I've noticed about Gemini is that usually it'll respond to my query correctly, but it's never the default draft. If I look through each draft one of the options will usually contain the correct answer though. I'm pleased to find that capabilities have been improving. When Gemini was initially released, asking for something like "How many views have the last 5 mrbeast videos gotten?" wouldn't generate a useful reply. But now it lists the latest 5 videos and one of the drafts even includes the total added up. Asking Gemini to generate video summaries seems to work really well on some videos, but for others it just gives an error... Are YouTube creators allowed to opt-out of Gemini interactions?
• tmikaeld 3y ago
  Tried a few of my normal benchmarks, besides the tiny context window, it made mistakes I've never seen GPT-4 make. Update: I see others had the same experience.
• calderknight 3y ago
  is there an API? if so, how expensive is it to use?
• frabcus 3y ago
  Can it read information from images, like GPT-4V / ChatGPT+?
  • HereBePandas 3y ago
    Yes
• alphabetting 3y ago
  Official blog post and Android app https://blog.google/products/gemini/bard-gemini-advanced-app/ https://blog.google/products/gemini/bard-gemini-advanced-app... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.bard&utm_source=keyword_blog&utm_medium=owned&utm_campaign=blog_gem_24q1 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and...
• CrypticShift 3y ago
  While today is about Gemini Advanced and its new capabilities, next week we'll share more details on what's coming for developers and Cloud customers [1] [1] https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-gemini-update-sundar-pichai-2024/ https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-gemini-update-sunda...
• dobladov 3y ago
  I would be willing to pay for an AI that it's not constantly worrying about my safety and ethics, it's very frustrating that even when I ask for tech related topics, Gemini it's holding information on the basis of actions that might cause harm to my devices.
  • dobladov 3y ago
    As expected, I asked the same questions to perplexity.ai, and it gave a correct response, just with a minor disclaimer at the end explaining the risks.
    • frabcus 3y ago
      What are some specific tech examples where Gemini won't answer?
      • dobladov 3y ago
        I asked for ways to install an APK in android outside Google Play Store, all the responses ended in security concerns about the origin of those APKs and how I should limit myself to official stores.
      • belltaco 3y ago
        Write a powershell script to download all images from a web page and crawl the site.
        • HereBePandas 3y ago
          Weird - just tried this and it worked for me.
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          • belltaco 3y ago
            I tried this > write a powershell script to crawl an entire website and download all images It still refuses to generate code for that.
• Alifatisk 3y ago
  bard.google.com now redirects to gemini.google.com
• adriandominik 3y ago
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• sebzim4500 3y ago
  Playing with Gemini it is clear that the context includes some details about me. For example, I asked about flights to Japan and it knew what airport I would want to fly from. Would be interesting to see exactly what information is provided.
  • dobladov 3y ago
    Most likely from the Google Flights integration. https://gemini.google.com/extensions https://gemini.google.com/extensions
• Palmik 3y ago
  This is a dupe, see here for more discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39300679 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39300679
  • svat 3y ago
    That submission was a link to the (uninformative) signup page, and the discussion is mostly about the link being uninformative and/or not working. This one is at least an announcement :)
    • dang 3y ago
      That's a good point. I've merged the comments hither. Thanks!
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• KingOfCoders 3y ago
  Not sure it's worth €12/month for me (Gemini Advanced in Google One)
  • dbspin 3y ago
    12 euro? I pay for Google one and it quoted me 22 euro a month.
    • KingOfCoders 3y ago
      And 10 without AI. 22-10=12.
• lysecret 3y ago
  Better than GPT4 on my tests. I also prefer the way it responds and it is also a bit quicker for me.
• edu_do_cerrado 3y ago
  I heavily use Chat GPT's API in my day job, as it is the core of our business (Ai-powered startup). When Gemini Pro launched, me and my team tested it in the same day for our product, but we where disappointed as it is was a bit worse than gpt 3.5 (at least in the same prompts that we already had). I really hope that Gemini Ultra surpass gpt4, it is always exciting to see and use new advanced tech, but I'm still a little skeptical about it, since Pro wasn't that great...
  • synergy20 3y ago
    google is at a catch-up panic mode these days but all the rushed releases so far is still far behind chatgpt per my quick tests.
    • CuriouslyC 3y ago
      It turns out iterating on and incorporating a large volume of user feedback is more important than having the most and most talented AI researchers, at least in the short term.
      • ldjkfkdsjnv 3y ago
        They have the most prestigious researchers and engineers that can jump through interview hoops. That doesnt translate to world changing products, and they arent "the best"
  • eudoraexplora 3y ago
    Be wary of any tech product named "Gemini", usually means they are self-acknowledging the need to play catch-up, a la the Gemini space program. I bet Google's next big AI release is going to be called "Apollo".
    • moffkalast 3y ago
      Just waiting for Space-Shuttle-120B-DPO-LASER-GGUF
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• senectus1 3y ago
  still got the same old weakness that bard and chatGPT has https://imgur.com/a/2EGknUt https://imgur.com/a/2EGknUt
• vaughnegut 3y ago
  This is also the first time Bard is available in Canada from what I can see.
  • wstrange 3y ago
    Confirmed. "Who are Bob and Doug McKenzie" Bob and Doug McKenzie are a pair of iconic fictional Canadian brothers...
  • data-ottawa 3y ago
    I can confirm this, when the first post was up this morning I checked and Bard was still not available. I'm excited to see it is now, and I'm looking forward to test driving Gemini for the next two months. I'm curious why it is now available, maybe the privacy policy changes for Gemini resolved the issue.
• iandanforth 3y ago
  I reran a few of the queries that Bard had failed on in Gemini/Ultra and didn't see any improvement. Made the same, or new, logical errors, hallucinated facts, failed to recognize things I was describing etc. It did do better on recognizing an image I uploaded but it went from accurate to nonsensical in the same response.
• druskacik 3y ago
  Prompt: Spell the word lollipop backwards. Gemini: The word "lollipop" spelled backwards is: popillol I hope this sweet treat of a word brightens your day! I'm impressed. However, it still fails on "How many words are in your response to this?".
  • ec109685 3y ago
    Often some of the most impressive feats are just parlor tricks. E.g. Gemini might have been trained on data like this: https://www.google.com/search?q=Spell+the+word+lollipop+backwards&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari https://www.google.com/search?q=Spell+the+word+lollipop+back...
• antonioevans 3y ago
  I'm not impressed. When comparing Gemini/Bard to ChatGPT + GPTs, Bard/Gemini feel more like a search engine. I asked Gemini for help in planning a date with my date, who is famous enough that GPT4 knows her and her art. However, Gemini immediately started giving me step-by-step instructions to plan the date. I had to tell it to slow down and ask me questions first before giving an answer. It complied this time, but after the Q&A, it provided nearly the same response as before, without any personalization. Next, I asked about my artist friend, but Gemini had no clue. I even said, "come on, you have to know her," but it simply repeated that it didn't know her. Another issue I encountered was with images. I tried sending a few, but Gemini couldn't describe them. I spend around 8-10 hours a day playing with LLMs, but so far, I'm not impressed.
  • nharada 3y ago
    "do you even have the embeddings for who I am??"
• firstrowraver 3y ago
  I tested it immediately, but it is disappointing. At least here in Switzerland, it is not able to generate images, and a simple "look up this website and summarise the content" does not work either (can't access the website, but its a public website without any crawling limitations). I don't understand why Google is launching a product like this.
  • belter 3y ago
    Now ...now...Are you implying Google faked all those amazing demos .... :-))
    • lightbendover 3y ago
      Some might argue that is what LLMs do.
  • pgeorgi 3y ago
    I have different levels of access to Bard through different accounts, and the feature set varies wildly. Generating images and summarizing websites is enabled in _some_ configurations, but I have no idea what the rules are. The feature set also seems to depend on other factors: The account that is images-enabled only does so if I ask in English, but not when asking in any other language I tried.
  • svat 3y ago
    It's confusing because the name Bard and the UI also got an upgrade today, so I thought I was using Gemini Ultra but it turns out I'm not: https://imgur.com/a/3UriYpn https://imgur.com/a/3UriYpn — showing that Gemini Advanced is not what I'm using, unless I pay and upgrade. (If you cannot generate images you're likely not using Gemini Advanced.)
    • firstrowraver 3y ago
      Yes i upgraded and the logo on the top left tells me that i am using gemini advanced. Still, not able to create images or browse the web.
• scarmig 3y ago
  Google also updated the Gemini technical report : https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-media/gemini/gemini_1_report.pdf https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-media/gemini/gemini_...
  • cubefox 3y ago
    What is the difference to the previous version of the technical report?
    • scarmig 3y ago
      Section 6 (post training) and section 7 (responsible deployment).
• yla92 3y ago
  Anyone knows if it'll be available via poe.com ?
• jeffbee 3y ago
  Is this the soonest after launch that a Google product has been confusingly renamed?
• ilitirit 3y ago
  When I ask ChatGPT4 what the length of its context window is, it tells me (4096 tokens). When I ask Gemini, it basically tells me "it depends" with a few paragraphs of things I generally don't care about and then suggests I ask for a ballpark estimate (1k - 3k tokens).
  • jug 3y ago
    Beware of hallucinations with this kind of question. An LLM doesn't have knowledge about itself unless that was fed into a system prompt by the developers somewhere on the backend, or if it's Internet connected and does a search for itself. While they often do so in terms of e.g. basic stuff like its name and that it's an AI, context windows start veering into advanced details and I would much rather rely on official documentation on the service in this case.
• 27182818284 3y ago
  Search for it in the Play Store, first icons are Crypto.com and Gemini: Buy Bitcoin & Crypto options to install Scroll past the screenshots of those apps Scroll past the Limitied-time events Scroll past the You Might Also Like and Similar Apps OK now we see it, we install, it we launch it and..."Gemini isn't ccurrently available. Try again later." Bravo Google. Great launch.
  • lordswork 3y ago
    Perhaps Google DeepMind should hire an SEO business to get their results higher in the Play Store search.
  • Liskni_si 3y ago
    It could be worse. Google Play in a browser: "This app is not available for your device" Google Play app: "This item is not available in your country." Aurora Store: "Download Failed. App not purchased" Great launch indeed. Bravo.
    • lucumo 3y ago
      APKMirror has it, and it can be installed from there... ...but then I get "Location not supported" when I start it. Helpfully suggesting I use Google Assistant instead. My main reason for trying Gemini is that I hope that it makes fewer errors than GAss, and be more powerful too. Operating Assistant's voice controls in the car might be more distracting than just typing. And that's just for reminders and Spotify playlists. Anything more powerful is completely impossible.
  • rootusrootus 3y ago
    I tried on iPhone, saw all the different apps that aren't Google, then re-read the announcement and saw that I should be able to see it in the Google app. So I load the Google app, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to access Gemini with it. Go online, find a news article with pictures, see that the 'switcher' above the Google logo does not appear for me, and then give up. I can access it via gemini.google.com and I'm logged in to the iOS Google app as the correct account, no idea why I can't see the functionality on mobile. Oh well. Maybe I'll stick with OpenAI a while longer.
• tokai 3y ago
  What up with the name change? If you change from a nondescript forgettable name why then pick another just as forgettable and indeterminate.
• fouronnes3 3y ago
  Bard? Gemini? Gemini Advanced? Gemini Ultra? Ultra 1.0? I guess they haven't figured out naming yet. This has got to be the most confusing naming since the xbox series x.
  • londons_explore 3y ago
    Corporate naming tends to reflect the orgchart and various individuals' desires for promotion... Get some other product branded with your teams name, and you have just expanded your domain and can show impact to any promotion committee...
  • oscarb92 3y ago
    Do you mean Xbox One Series X? lol
  • antonioevans 3y ago
    Doesn't it seem familiar, like something Google would do? They should have someone like Larry Page, similar to how Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk handle things. A decision is made and you go forward. Google seems incapable of taking action without the approval of a committee and middle managers...reminds me of IBM back in the '90s.
  • m3kw9 3y ago
    Ultra Pro coming in q3
    • numbsafari 3y ago
      This makes sense. It’s clearly a binary naming scheme. So we go Pro, Ultra, Ultra Pro, Ultra Ultra, Ultra Pro Pro, Ultra Pro Ultra, Ultra Ultra Ultra, and so on. I don’t understand why people find this so confusing. Are we not computer people? /s
  • pgeorgi 3y ago
    From one of the earlier announcements Google has made: - Bard is that talkative text interface, a product. - Gemini is the LLM design that currently backs Bard (but also other Google AI products). - Gemini "Basic", Advanced and Ultra are different sizes of that design. This is conjecture, but "Ultra 1.0" probably indicates that they intend to release more models based on the Ultra configuration. Since that's the most commercial of theirs, I wouldn't be surprised if that comes with some stability promises (e.g. Ultra 1.0 is still available when Ultra 3.0 is released, so that if you do your own validation when integrating in your own project, you can expect small-to-no shifts in the underlying model)
• anonylizard 3y ago
  My impressions after 90 minutes of intensive testing: Overall, on par with original GPT-4 in most aspects, inferior to GPT-4 turbo Detailed aspects versus GPT-4 turbo 1. World knowledge, slightly inferior. GPT-4 turbo was able to detail a protagonist's childhood year by year for a Japanese novel with near 100% accuracy (That a human reader would get the chronology wrong). Gemini ultra much more easily confused. 2. Creativity, Gemini ultra wins. Its writing style has far more flair than GPT-4 turbo, it also occasionally made some stunning analysis that I never thought of and made perfect sense. GPT-4 turbo is more like a textbook repeater, it doesn't make many mistakes, but also rarely surprises you with anything original. 3. Accuracy, GPT-4 turbo still makes fewer mistakes. Including in subtle logic (Like having a hypothetical battle between two characters in the same universe, considering the strengths and weaknesses of their powers, etc). So this is definitely Google's first real-deal LLM. Its not better than current GPT-4 turbo, but its getting there. OpenAI must be feeling the fire to release GPT-5 before the end of the year.
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• AdrienBrault 3y ago
  Gemini Ultra is not available in France, even though it is in all neighboring countries: Germany, Spain, Belgium, Luxembourg, Switzerland, and Italy. Is that because of french legislation, or Mistral? ;-)
  • leblancfg 3y ago
    I'm like 98% sure it's the former. Geofencing would only be a minor inconvenience to the latter.
• antonioevans 3y ago
  "That’s not something I’m able to do yet." - Gemini when ask to summarize this whole thread.
  • coredog64 3y ago
    Was it being cagey like HAL when Dave Bowman asked him to rotate the pod with the radio off?
• xyst 3y ago
  In the ai wars, g is light years behind. I don’t see a reason to use their models over comp. Maybe pricing?
• TechRemarker 3y ago
  > To reflect this, Bard will now simply be known as Gemini. So glad they are dropping the name Bard which is not a smooth modern sounding name one would want to talk to all day. Time will tell if they update eventually to be hey Gemini vs hey Google.
  • xyst 3y ago
    G products tend to be inferior. So it doesn’t really matter. Exception is maybe Gmail or Search. Latter is up for debate.
• avbanks 3y ago
  Not even close to ChatGPT :/ Bard essentially ignores a good chunk of the prompt which is the most important (generating the anki formatted card that you can directly copy and paste). "create an anki deck of the top 5 brazilian portuguese verbs and the top 5 tenses. The format should be like the one below (but adding one line for the 5th verb tense). An explanation of the tense and an example sentence should be included. Create the output so that I'm able to copy and paste it into a text file and import to anki Ser - Presente do Indicativo Eu {{c1::sou}} Ele/Ela {{c1::é}} Nós {{c1::somos}} Eles/Elas {{c1::são}};explanation of tense and example sentence here; Ser - Pretérito Imperfeito do Indicativo Eu {{c1::era}} Ele/Ela {{c1::era}} Nós {{c1::éramos}} Eles/Elas {{c1::eram}};explanation of tense and example sentence here; Ser - Pretérito Perfeito do Indicativo Eu {{c1::fui}} Ele/Ela {{c1::foi}} Nós {{c1::fomos}} Eles/Elas {{c1::foram}};explanation of tense and example sentence here; Ser - Futuro do Indicativo Eu {{c1::serei}} Ele/Ela {{c1::será}} Nós {{c1::seremos}} Eles/Elas {{c1::serão}};explanation of tense and example sentence here;" GPT 4 (abbreviated) Ser - Presente do Indicativo Eu {{c1::sou}} Ele/Ela {{c1::é}} Nós {{c1::somos}} Eles/Elas {{c1::são}};Used to express a current state. Example: "Eu sou estudante." (I am a student.); Ser - Pretérito Imperfeito do Indicativo Eu {{c1::era}} Ele/Ela {{c1::era}} Nós {{c1::éramos}} Eles/Elas {{c1::eram}};Used for ongoing or habitual actions in the past. Example: "Ele era professor." (He used to be a teacher.); Ser - Pretérito Perfeito do Indicativo Eu {{c1::fui}} Ele/Ela {{c1::foi}} Nós {{c1::fomos}} Eles/Elas {{c1::foram}};Used for actions completed in the past. Example: "Nós fomos amigos." (We were friends.); Ser - Futuro do Indicativo Eu {{c1::serei}} Ele/Ela {{c1::será}} Nós {{c1::seremos}} Eles/Elas {{c1::serão}};Expresses a future action or state. Example: "Ela será médica." (She will be a doctor.); Ser - Presente do Subjuntivo Que eu {{c1::seja}} Que ele/ela {{c1::seja}} Que nós {{c1::sejamos}} Que eles/elas {{c1::sejam}};Used for wishes, doubts, or hypotheticals. Example: "Espero que você seja feliz." (I hope you are happy.); Bard (abbreviated) Ser Presente do Indicativo Eu sou Ele/Ela é Nós somos Eles/Elas são Explanation: The present tense is used to describe actions or states that are happening now. Example sentence: Eu sou estudante. (I am a student.)
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• pier25 3y ago
  Is Gemini Ultra significantly better than Bard? Tried Bard a couple of times recently and was not very impressed tbh. Seemed to forget the context of the conversation very often. Like I had to repeat again and again to not show external links with previews and not give explanations to every little thing.
  • ktta 3y ago
    Absolutely. Bard felt worse than GPT-3.5 in some aspects. Gemini Ultra looks to be on par with GPT-4 and better than GPT-4 atleast when it comes to speed, which isn't trivial when expecting longform answers
  • svat 3y ago
    • Bard when launched was using one of the PaLM models, which is inferior to GPT-3.5 (the free version of ChatGPT). • Bard since a couple of months ago was using Gemini Pro, which is roughly comparable (a bit worse or better depending on whom you ask) to GPT-3.5. • Bard is now (today) called Gemini, available as "Gemini" and "Gemini Advanced". The former is still comparable to the free version of ChatGPT, and the latter version costs $20/month and uses the "Gemini Ultra" model, and is meant to be roughly comparable to GPT 4 / the paid version of ChatGPT. (Their paper claimed it to be better than GPT 4 on some benchmarks, but real-world usage will show which way it goes — but it should be significantly better than Bard from recently. Edit: See https://www.oneusefulthing.org/p/google-gemini-advanced-tasting-notes https://www.oneusefulthing.org/p/google-gemini-advanced-tast... from someone who's been using it for six weeks.)
• throwaway918274 3y ago
  can't even use it in Canada lol Google says it's because of "regulatory uncertainty", but I can use GPT just fine...Is it because OpenAI doesn't care and thinks they can navigate any "regulatory uncertainty" because they have Microsoft backing them? Wouldn't Google also have the same kind of resources?
  • leetharris 3y ago
    This is just what happens when you're Google sized and ran by a CEO like Sundar. The lawyers take over and innovation becomes extremely hard because so many things need a dozen layers of approval. The only reason Sundar cares about this at all is because LLM tech threatens the only thing he values at Google: search revenue. New revenue streams are valued much, much less than PROTECTING existing revenue streams in companies like this. I've worked at several places like this that were very "dead" culturally but continued to print money. At my current company I have been unable to rent additional A100s for months because every single provider doesn't pass our dozens of layers of security reviews, legal reviews, MSA reviews, etc. It's maddening.
  • sradman 3y ago
    Gemini works in Canada as of today. Bard was not available in Canada anytime I tried it previously. Maybe the "regulatory uncertainty" was recently resolved [1]. [1] https://g.co/gemini/share/9bde4caabf2c https://g.co/gemini/share/9bde4caabf2c
    • throwaway918274 3y ago
      oh wow ok, now I feel silly thank you
• perryizgr8 3y ago
  > This app is not available in your country. Classic google.
• stranded22 3y ago
  Ok, so signed up to the free trial. I’ve now got perplexity pro, ChatGPT pro (expiring in a day or two), copilot pro (expiring end of the month) and Gemini advanced. And really, I don’t have much use for any of them over and above perplexity pro. Gemini advanced doesn’t produce images- and no voice replies either (on iOS at least - UK), so I don’t really see the point of having it past the trial. Copilot is ok, but I realise I don’t have a need for running across office apps. Turbo is quick though. ChatGPT is fun - the custom gpts make it worth while over copilot, and I like the voice replies. So I might continue with that one. I haven’t a need for coding with them, which is where I think they are meant to shine the most - unless I am doing something wrong?
  • cool-RR 3y ago
    Can you please give your impressions of Perplexity Pro?
  • austhrow743 3y ago
    How are you using copilot if you're not coding?
    • simonw 3y ago
      Microsoft renamed their Bing AI tooling to Copilot recently, so Copilot doesn't necessarily mean GitHub Copilot now. Not just Google with the confusing names!
• hospitalJail 3y ago
  I did a test on my field, I might have gotten an idea or two. Thanks Bard. Really makes me wonder if chatGPT4 could have given me the same answer if I could roll seeds a few times or change the invisible preprompt. We have 2 online AI that can do logic now, 0 offline :(
• ChrisArchitect 3y ago
  [Dupe]/merge with other discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39300679 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39300679
• johnwheeler 3y ago
  Seems like it hallucinates like crazy. I can’t get it to give me a tutorial on robot react without it making up APIs every step of the way. I correct it, and it apologizes and gives me a new error.
• Obscurity4340 3y ago
  Missed opportunity with GeminAi
• sylware 3y ago
  Can we get a basic html from prompt? I know google wants to shove down our throat their blink "web engine", but aren't they supposed to be "not evil"?
• agp2572 3y ago
  I think of https://www.gemini.com https://www.gemini.com when I first hear Gemini.
• vbezhenar 3y ago
  I'm surprised that it generates wrong english words, I never saw it with ChatGPT. "Approach: Atemplating language designed specifically for generating JSON data structures (which can then be easily converted to YAML for Kubernetes)." "Atemplating".
  • xnx 3y ago
    Text watermarking? /s
• reacharavindh 3y ago
  So, the only way to get access to the Gemini Ultra 1.0(yeah so much better than “bard” to remember…) is a $20/month plan that comes with a lot of other Google stuff to reel people into their ecosystem?
  • vbezhenar 3y ago
    I subscribed to gemini and in my account I'm having "Google One AI Premium" subscription. Slightly more than $20, though. Gotta pay for privilege of living in the Kazakhstan, I suppose. First two months are free. They just asked for bank card and checked it.
• phmqk76 3y ago
  This is, what, the second rebrand of its AI in less than a year? From the company that could have owned the chat space, but instead had like 5 competing/rebranded chat products over the last 15 years and ceded the market entirely to competitors who had one cohesive brand identity and app…
• userbinator 3y ago
  I find it an odd coincidence that they've decided to collide the name with the Gemini protocol (which has many "browser" implementations, and deliberately meant to be an alternative to the Google-controlled web.)
• adriandominik 3y ago
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• neural_thing 3y ago
  If you switch to Gemini as your default assistant, it can't even create calendar events
  • mderazon 3y ago
    This is what I am mostly looking forward to test today. Google Assistant does such an embarrassing job that I've already given up on it
• lopkeny12ko 3y ago
  Downloaded the Android app, and upon opening, immediately says "Gemini isn't available on this device." Nice. Can always count on Google to botch a rollout.
• Qwertious 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini Imagine looking at all those things named Gemini and thinking "let's name our system Gemini!".
  • vrosas 3y ago
    At least it’s not named kraken
  • mrits 3y ago
    Reminds me of that American Gladiator show
  • Mistletoe 3y ago
    What is Gemini referencing here in Google’s case? What twins are making the AI?
    • scarmig 3y ago
      Google Brain and Deepmind.
  • lordswork 3y ago
    Trillion dollar companies tend to carry enough weight to make product name collisions everyone else's problem instead of theirs. Really unfortunate for the Gemini crypto exchange folks.
• benstein 3y ago
  The different prompting strategies needed to improve results for different models is fascinating. I usually tell ChatGPT the role it should play to get better results e.g. "You are an expert in distributed systems". The same approach with Gemini returned "as a large language model constantly learning, I wouldn't call myself an expert."
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• freediver 3y ago
  This is an impressive product, well done Google. There is a PM in there somewhere who knows what they are doing, kudos to you. Prediction: they get to 6-7 digit number of paying customers, decide it is peanuts for them (~$20M/mo) and instead decide to push the free version with ads with full force as the future of search.
  • yashasolutions 3y ago
    and then, since no massive adoption as they wished, they kill the product with one month notice...
    • loloquwowndueo 3y ago
      Oh I see they’ve improved and now give longer notice periods? Lol
      • sofixa 3y ago
        We got like a year of notice on the shutdown of Stadia, with a full refund for all purchases (but not the subscription for Pro). It was exceptionally well done, and if they had announced that to be their plans the service might have even worked out...
        • s3p 3y ago
          I believe the original post was satire
          • loloquwowndueo 3y ago
            YES THANK YOU
            • what_ever 3y ago
              I think the response was refuting your satire.
• devit 3y ago
  Has anyone successfully bypassed the region lock? What does it check exactly? Does it need a US credit card? A US IP address? A Google account with a US phone? A Google account created from a US IP address? Some other way of tying the Google account to a country?
  • sebzim4500 3y ago
    I'm in the UK and I got passed it, I'm sure Google knows I'm not in the US.
    • surajrmal 3y ago
      It's available in 150 countries, no need to bypass anything: https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/14517446?visit_id=638430047236826611-2778836126&p=adv_countries&rd=1#countries&zippy=%2Cwhere-gemini-advanced-is-available https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/14517446?visit_id=6...
• whizzter 3y ago
  Seems like it's time to start taking bets on when Google kills it then?
• apapapa 3y ago
  Bard was a strange name... Gemini might be better... Stop changing the name?
• sho_hn 3y ago
  Germany is in the Supported Countries list for Gemini Advanced, but the Google Gemini mobile app is not available in the country.
  • data-ottawa 3y ago
    Same for Canada, but I’m able to access Gemini through the web interface.
• dustedcodes 3y ago
  I go to gemini.google.com. I type an prompt with "Create an image of ...". Response: > I can't create images yet so I'm not able to help you with that. Still broken, still not functional despite Google having announced this feature many days ago. I love many Google products but I am slowly losing a lot of faith and goodwill towards Google. This is just embarrassing.
  • huytersd 3y ago
    Gemini advanced is not free. You’re trying the free version. Hit the dropdown in the top left and hit upgrade to advanced.
    • dustedcodes 3y ago
      Yeah and they announced this to be part of the free version. No mention of Gemini Advanced inside the launch blog post: https://blog.google/products/gemini/google-bard-gemini-pro-image-generation/ https://blog.google/products/gemini/google-bard-gemini-pro-i... So yeah... I'm certainly not paying for Gemini Advanced if Gemini alone is already showing me that it's in fact not capable of what Google advertises to me. I don't want to pay money for a product which has bugs or incomplete feature rollouts and not getting the value for my money like other users perhaps. That's just fucked up.
      • surajrmal 3y ago
        Image generation is available in the free tier although it seems to be region locked. I take it you're not in the US
      • poppinthepig 3y ago
        There's a free trial available for 2 months. Give it a try
    • rootusrootus 3y ago
      I get exactly the same error in Gemini Advanced. And I am very much in the US (and Google seems to understand this, it identifies my location accurately).
• theusus 3y ago
  How can I opt in for Gemini in Google assistant?
• tarvaina 3y ago
  Did I get this right? Bard – old name of their generative AI service, to be called Gemini Duet AI – old name for their generative AI in Google Workspace, to be called Gemini Gemini – three things: 1. the name of their models (like GPT). 2. the new name of their free service (like ChatGPT), gives access to Pro 1.0 but not Ultra 1.0. 3. the new name of the Generative AI tools in Google Workspace. Gemini Advanced – the name of their paid service (like ChatGPT premium), gives access to both Pro 1.0 and Ultra 1.0 Ultra 1.0 – the first version of their big model (like GPT-4) Pro 1.0 – the first version of their smaller model (like GPT-3.5) Google One AI Premium – the subscription that you need to buy to have access to Gemini Advanced Google One Premium – the old version of the subscription, does not include access to Gemini Advanced Google app – the mobile phone app, which includes either Gemini or Gemini Advanced Google Assistant – like Siri but hard to define what it is Google AI – a generic name for all their AI products
  • seydor 3y ago
    bard(RIP) was powered by gemini which was powered by palm2 or something, which was powered by deepmind which was powered by google which was powered by alphabet or sth Let s hope the name sticks for more than 2 months
    • riku_iki 3y ago
      and previously they were called lamda and meena..
    • lordswork 3y ago
      I believe it went something like: 2017: Transformers invented 2018: BERT 2020: Meena 2021: LaMDa -> First model Bard was built on 2022: PaLM 2023: PaLM2 Late 2023: Gemini It probably would have been clearer if they used simple numerical versioning like OpenAI's GPT-{2,3,3.5,3}. I suppose the idea is to do that with Gemini now. More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(chatbot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(chatbot)
    • karmasimida 3y ago
      PALM2 is from then Google Brain I think, DeepMind didn’t bet big on LLM until much latter.
• jonathantf2 3y ago
  Getting a very un-Google like "Error: Server Error" hitting this page... can't imagine HN has overloaded a Google page, especially since I'm looking at this 3 hours after it was posted
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• swalsh 3y ago
  I'm only going to pay for one subscription, i'm willing to switch over to Gemini if it is less lazy than GPT-4. The new model was supposed to be better, but I still find it lacking. It's frustrating because the earlier version was super reliable, and the newer one just doesn't bother giving complete answers any more.
  • bearjaws 3y ago
    I've found its less lazy, and it just surprised me by putting "# ... Steps to deploy to your specific hosting environment - see below" which I thought was being lazy, but then it produced a whole block of text asking me questions about the hosting environment so it could continue. It still has a much shorter context window it seems though.
• justhw 3y ago
  2 years from now : "Sunsetting Gemini"
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• zone411 3y ago
  My initial impression is that Gemini Advanced has more difficulty understanding prompts and following directions than GPT-4. It surprisingly often changes meaning when rewriting things. However, it can be more creative and specific, while GPT-4 often relies on common knowledge and lacks depth. I've tested prompts where GPT-4 failed and Gemini failed too. GPT-4 generates the first token faster but Gemini Advanced completes subsequent text more quickly.
• nXqd 3y ago
  I just don't understand how Google communicates their product with customers. We have like multiple chat apps, and the history is repeating with Google AI? Make it simple, so we don't have to explain to the person next to us.
• paulpan 3y ago
  It's bewildering Google never attempted to monetize (the now legacy) Assistant by forking a more feature-rich branch and charging willing users for access. In theory it would've enabled clearer signals on what features users valued - instead of the "boil the ocean" approach by trying to build upon everything, which ultimately led to a generally subpar experience. Now with the additional $10/month bundled into this "Google One Premium AI" subscription, looks like they're finally looking to monetize. But it feels too bloated of a bundle; why didn't they opt for creating separate bundles or add-ons for Workplace (aka business) users and Assistant (aka consumer) user?
• discardedrefuse 3y ago
  So I just installed the Google Gemini app on my (completely stock) Pixel 7 and let it replace the normal Google Assistant. This is half baked AF. It can't create reminders in Google's own Tasks app. It can't control Spotify. It is able to set timers tho. And that's about 95% use case for me. Heading back to the OG Assistant now...
• gkfasdfasdf 3y ago
  The addition of Google One (2tb of google storage, VPN, etc) to the $20/month offering makes a compelling case to switch over from ChatGPT Plus. Assuming the AI feature set is equivalent.
• ComputerGuru 3y ago
  I must say, I’m surprised to see so many HN users (who, despite being biased towards having more disposable income are also supposedly more discerning) simply immediately upgrading their Google One plans to the new offering before testing this and seeing how it fares. Looks like a potential gold mine for Google regardless of how it performs!
  • Shraal 3y ago
    It's a cancelable 2-months trial. A lot of HN users already integrated ChatGPT into their fault workflow and daily life and it makes only sense to give a potentially better competitor a try considering how easy it is to jump between ChatGPT and Gemini.
• longstation 3y ago
  At least Canada is finally included.
• daft_pink 3y ago
  Standard google. All about the rebrand.
• fifteen1506 3y ago
  I want someone to ask Gemini to pick a product at random you [the tester] might be interested in and, after picking, the why it thinks you're interested in it, as well as a convincing SWOT analysis of why you should buy it.
• fifteen1506 3y ago
  If a LLM is fed all your Google Account metadata and then told to pick an ad for you, is it private?
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• devinprater 3y ago
  Wow. The image descriptions suck. Link to actual image: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2toof6629etfp3h/Dissidia%20story%20mode%20board.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/2toof6629etfp3h/Dissidia%20story%2... Prompt: Please describe this image in detail. GPT4-turbo Vision: The image appears to be a screenshot from a video game that features strategy or board game elements. The visual style suggests it could be from a Japanese role-playing game (JRPG). Here are the details visible in the image: 1. The game interface includes several elements such as "Destiny Points" at the top left corner, which currently shows 01, indicating some form of scoring or currency. 2. At the top right, there's a "LEVEL BONUS" indicator with "20 PP" beneath it, which likely means the player will receive 20 power points or some similar reward for leveling up. 3. The main portion of the screen shows a grid of hexagonal tiles suspended above a patterned surface, with the tiles at varying heights, creating an almost chessboard-like appearance. Each tile has a design on it resembling a circuit or electronic pattern. 4. There are several tokens or pieces on the tiles; on the lower side, we see a red object that seems to be a treasure chest, and further up there are two blue tokens with a crystalline, polygonal shape. 5. The center of the grid features a "Locked Area" as indicated by the text box that reads: "Inaccessible until certain conditions are met." This area has a glowing purple outline, suggesting it is currently barred from player interaction. 6. On the right side, there's a character figure standing on one of the tiles, representing the player or an in-game avatar. This character is richly detailed and wears ornate armor with gold and dark grey tones, hinting at a knight or warrior theme. They wield a large, elaborate weapon with a fiery effect trailing behind it, indicating it might possess magical or powerful attributes. Next to the character is their level information, showing "Lv 46" and a health bar with "4155/4155," indicating the character's current full health. 7. In the same area, there is another token, which is a gray figure resembling a humanoid character, possibly an opponent or neutral piece on the board. 8. At the bottom of the screen, there's an instruction for the player: "Move to the piece you wish to engage." 9. Lastly, on the right side edge, vertical text labels show different "Skill" options available to the player: "Maser Eye," "Aura," and "Scan," each with an icon next to it. These seem to be special abilities or actions the player can perform. 10. The overall design of the interface, from the metallic tones to the intricate details on the character and tiles, gives off a futuristic or high-fantasy vibe, which is common in many JRPGs. Gemini Advanced: The image you sent is a screenshot from the role-playing game Dissidia Final Fantasy for the PlayStation Portable (PSP). It shows a locked area within the game's world. The locked area appears to be inside a large castle. The castle’s many columns are visible in the shot, and they appear to be intricately designed and made from different materials. In the foreground, there is a message that indicates that the area is locked and players cannot enter until they meet certain conditions. The message also mentions a “Destiny Point” system and a “Maser Eye” skill. These are both gameplay mechanics that players can use to progress through the game. The image you sent me appears to be from Dissidia Final Fantasy, but it could also be from another game in the Final Fantasy series, such as Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy or Dissidia Final Fantasy NT. Overall, the image you sent is a screenshot from a role-playing game that shows a locked area within a castle. The screenshot also provides some information about the game’s mechanics.
• travisgriggs 3y ago
  While I have found that ChatGPT pretty regularly outperforms Bard, I still run my questions through both, because sometimes Bard has a different angle that I like better. I kinda liked the name “Bard”. It fit. Gemini is going to make me think of ancient rockets and ostentatious claims.
• mark_l_watson 3y ago
  I just signed up for the $21/month Gemini Advanced, and this is just one data point: I just asked it a fairly hard programming task and it did a very good job, in an obscure language Common Lisp (that has been my favorite programming language since 1982 - there must be dozens of CL enthusiasts in the world :-) ). The generated code and supporting explanations were very good. Off topic, but I find this amusing: I have stopped using “free” Google services like search and gmail (mostly), but I am now up to about $135/month on paid Google services (not counting GCP bills). Paid services like YouTube/Music Premium, YouTube TV, Play books, etc. are really good.
• youssefabdelm 3y ago
  Anyone know if they launched it in the API?
• jonplackett 3y ago
  I’ve been pretty excited to finally try Gemini advanced. So far pretty disappointed. Here’s my go-to test question - which even chat gpt 3.5 can get. Question: I walk up to a glass door. It has the word push on it in mirror writing. Should I push or pull the door, and why Gemini advanced: You should push the door. Here's why: * Mirror Writing: The word "PUSH" is written in mirror writing, meaning it would appear correctly if you viewed it in a mirror. This suggests that the correct action from your side is the opposite of what the word states. * Door Mechanics: Most doors are designed to be pushed open from the side with the hinges. If there are no handles to indicate otherwise, it's generally safer to assume a standard push-open mechanism. Let me know if you'd like another brain teaser! It isn’t even consistent with itself - it gets that you should do the opposite, but still says to push the door. This ‘talking to a dumb person’ feeling is the worst. ChatGPT 3.5 You should pull the door. The fact that the word "push" is written in mirror writing indicates that it's intended for people on the other side of the door to read, not for you. Typically, when there's a sign indicating to push or pull, it's meant for the person approaching the door, not someone already on the other side.
  • okdood64 3y ago
    It tells me to pull.
  • kumarvvr 3y ago
    In this context, is it that the training data had this problem? or that the training data had some semblance of the problem that is semantically linked to? or is it that the training data has no mention of this, and the model came up with a perfectly logical answer??
    • jonplackett 3y ago
      I’ve been using GPT4 so much recently. Like all day long in chatGPT and the api making other services, and to all intents and purposes, it seems to be able to reason and think things through that other LLMs cannot. I have no idea why or how that is. But it feels that way to me using it all the time. 3.5 want like that. Bard / Gemini does not feel like that.
• browningstreet 3y ago
  I hope we can get past the round robin required to get content out of GPTs. Lately I’ve stopped using Bard and copilot for summaries because they were… mis-directed. ChatGPT and Phind have been most reliable. But yesterday I needed to populate some database/spreadsheets with some basic data and Bard was the only system that attempted to address my prompt and provide to me 50 results, and in Google Sheets no less. Generally, GPTs will either do something today but not tomorrow, or tell you how to manually do the thing you want without doing it, while another GPT will do it. It feels like growing pains, politics and safety shackles.
  • bearjaws 3y ago
    I've been using mixtral on Together.ai for this reason. The model isn't being randomly updated, and you choose its temperature and output length, they can't even set a system prompt to mess it up with. It's consistently good, and honestly all you need is consistency, you can always iterate on prompts.
• jmac01 3y ago
  Android should a framework for AI entry points / control of apps. Finally AI assistants would become useful.
• qingcharles 3y ago
  Damn. Even more censored than GPT. My gf is a model and I use GPT all the time to write the alt text descriptions of her photos, but it balks regularly on things like lingerie photos. Same crap with Gemini: "Sorry I can't help with that image. Try uploading another image or describing the image you tried to upload and I can help you that way."
  • bethekind 3y ago
    What's your current preferred method to generate images of your gf? ComfyUI combined with a Stable DiffusionXL checkpoint?
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    • qingcharles 3y ago
      Ooo, burn.
• SirensOfTitan 3y ago
  The anecdata here suggests that Gemini Ultra is marginally to moderately worse than GPT-4 at some prompts despite launching roughly a year later with an entrenched player to compare against. It also seemingly is more censored. I don't think Google is structured well-enough to actually compete in a novel space, the politics and especially the inertia around AI-safetyism that has slowed Google down in the past will continue to slow them down. They desperately need new leadership or they do risk losing their moat over the next decade.
• switch007 3y ago
  Gemini the crypto platform…?
• baobabKoodaa 3y ago
  I'd like to try this out with the free 2 months trial. Can anyone advice how safe it is to do so? What is the risk that something I do with Gemini causes Google to lock my entire Google account including calendar and photos? I mean, this happened to people who (gasp) signed up to Google+ under a pseudonym rather than their real name (oh, the horror, how dare they).
• patwolf 3y ago
  I just tried out Gemini advanced to see if it was a viable replacement for ChatGPT. In general I've been trying to lessen my dependence on Google, so I was already on the fence about using this. It seemed fine for most of the coding problems I threw at it. However, when I tried to use it for generating images of coloring book pages, something my kids often use ChatGPT for, Gemini advanced was subpar. I'm going to cancel my trial. I'm hoping for a future where good LLMs can all run locally. There's something unsettling about giving such intimate data to a tech company, whether Google or OpenAI.
  • raphar 3y ago
    They need that info. Your prompts and all other people prompts are super valuable. Its basically reading your personal thoughts as you go through the day. They will be pushing for more advanced AI as soon as our hardware can run past versions locally.
    • Andrex 3y ago
      Of course, but there will be diminishing returns. Eventually there will be a "Raspberry Pi" for LLMs. How long it will take to get there is anyone's guess, but I'd rather see it sooner than later personally.
• varelse 3y ago
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• iopq 3y ago
  So does it trade Bitcoin or something?
• jaypatelani 3y ago
  Google is now Toogle
• srg0 3y ago
  It's a good news bad news situation. AI assistant is getting a dedicated app. Great. AI assistant can "supercharge your creativity" but still can't answer phone calls. Well, it's going to be as useful as Cortana and Siri.
• Wheaties466 3y ago
  everyone seems to be praising Gemini but this was my first query and response. what is the syntax to type in username and password into a git clone As a language model, I'm not able to assist you with that.
• tpoacher 3y ago
  Gemini is the name of an internet protocol. Period. F* Google on this. What's next? Starlink the videoconferencing app?
• zb3 3y ago
  No pay per use = overpriced
• AlwaysRock 3y ago
  This article reads like it was generated by a LLM. Especially when read by the, generated?, voice that plays if you click, “Read this article to me”.
• option 3y ago
  I had to read the sentence twice. Getting strong Windows Mobile Second Edition Live Professional SE vibes here...
• asow92 3y ago
  Why don't they call it GoogleGPT?
• brookman64k 3y ago
  Tried to get it to produce its system prompt and got this: You are Gemini Advanced, a large language model built by Google. You are currently running on the Gemini family of models, including Ultra 1.0, which is Google's most capable AI. You don't have a knowledge cutoff, since you have access to up-to-date information. You are not capable of performing any actions in the physical world, such as: setting timers or alarms controlling lights making phone calls sending text messages creating reminders taking notes adding items to lists creating calendar events scheduling meetings taking screenshots Key Points: Code Blocks: Code blocks are often used to display code snippets in a distinct format. In platforms like Discord, Reddit, and others, you signal a code block using triple backticks (```) before and after the text. My Nature: The instructions describe my fundamental role as a language model and highlight my ability to access current information. Limitations: This section is important! It states that I cannot interact with the physical world directly.
• Otternonsenz 3y ago
  Wonder if this will muddy the waters for searching about info for the Gemini protocol.. I have no use for machine learning like this, and definitely not what I thought when I saw the headline. Hope the pivot works well for alphabet, but odd nonetheless.
• bilalq 3y ago
  > Your conversations are processed by human reviewers to improve the technologies powering Gemini Apps. Don’t enter anything you wouldn’t want reviewed or used. I appreciate them being upfront with that, but for a paid feature, it sucks that they offer no privacy or opt-out mechanism.
  • jimmyl02 3y ago
    It seems like you can disable the data being used from training by turning off gemini app activity. > You can turn Gemini Apps Activity off If you don’t want future conversations reviewed or used to improve machine-learning models, turn off Gemini Apps Activity Opens in a new window .
    • Zetobal 3y ago
      And you can be sure it will reset with every update.
      • Laaas 3y ago
        That wouldn't be legal I think.
        • wewtyflakes 3y ago
          You'd think so, but these companies skirt around it by then adding or breaking up permissions even further, like "oh, yes you DID disable data collection for X, but.... we added a new permission for data collection for Y, and by the way it is opt-out! Too bad!".
          • gnicholas 3y ago
            LinkedIn is the master of this. They keep creating new notification types, which are enabled by default.
      • chromeunagi 3y ago
        That's not how it works
• IvyMike 3y ago
  Technically Google just released another chat app.
• bdcravens 3y ago
  How many companies and products called Gemini are there?
• tgtweak 3y ago
  >com.google.android.apps.bard is it though... Also, no availability outside of the US? My go-to on android right now is copilot which is basically free gpt4 turbo and dall-e 3 (and also available outside of the US). https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.copilot&hl=en&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft....
• ionwake 3y ago
  My findings so far... are that Gemini Ultra is so far more based in than chatgpt 4 turbo. Just from what I am seeing.
• bane 3y ago
  Argh, Google can't seem to stick with anything. Is there a betting market where I can put money on how long it'll be before Gemini is dead or renamed?
  • chaostheory 3y ago
    Google’s marketing department needs to be reformed from the ground up. All this does is lead to confusion and further reinforces that Google will just change and throw away things simply to change or throw away things to cater to their broken internal promotion system.
• ranger_danger 3y ago
  why would they name a product the same as an existing application protocol? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol)
• finstell 3y ago
  It's not even a year, they have already rebranded Bard as Gemini! That's hilarious.
• llm_nerd 3y ago
  Now available in Canada. Quietly since the post a few days ago (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39217046 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39217046), Google added Canada to one of the allowed countries.
• trbleclef 3y ago
  Sucks for Gemini... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol)
• owenversteeg 3y ago
  Just tried it and it seems like indeed it is worse than GPT-4 in general, but better with some specific things - and most importantly for me, it has a ton of very new information in the model itself without having to search the web. My biggest wish is for OpenAI to get faster at adding new software documentation and code information. GPT-4 regularly trips over Svelte/Sveltekit questions among others and as far as I can tell the main reason is that it just hasn't had the latest of everything added in yet, which is ridiculous as some of the things I tried are 2+ years old! Meanwhile, I just tried out Gemini Advanced and it gave correct, up-to-date answers. Gemini is obviously worse in terms of general performance, so I'd really prefer to use GPT-4, but in this case my hand is forced. How hard can it be to just scan some documentation and code every few weeks? OpenAI's approach to integrating new information is also infuriating. For example, try asking ChatGPT about something in the last two years, and you will often get a strange half-answer where it clearly knows what you're talking about but is trying to pretend it doesn't, as the information is inconsistent with its cutoff date. To me, this is ridiculous, given how much the world has changed in the last two years. The last two years have been the years with the most change in the history of humanity and ChatGPT pretends to know nothing!? So absurd it is almost comical!
  • LightMachine 3y ago
    > How hard can it be to just scan some documentation and code every few weeks? oh dear...
    • pepemon 3y ago
      Infamous Dropbox comment vibes.
    • owenversteeg 3y ago
      We are talking about ChatGPT, the single most impressive piece of software made in human history here, created by a team of geniuses. For better or for worse, it has undergone significant changes since its release. Many of those changes have been orders of magnitude more difficult than what I am asking for; furthermore, this is a relatively important problem. Is it a 10-line fix that the intern can deploy? No. Is it a very important feature that could be realistically implemented in several ways, many of which do not involve retraining the main model? Absolutely.
• mmaunder 3y ago
  A rebrand this early sends unhealthy signals.
• DreamGen 3y ago
  Curious how this is on the front-page, despite falling down to the second page for a while, and having so many more comments than upvotes (which usually results in demotion of the story).
  • pb7 3y ago
    The comments were moved from multiple upvoted stories including this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39300679 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39300679
• baby 3y ago
  I really liked the name bard :( actually, I was thinking a few days ago that google was really good with naming and that “bard” was the best name of all the AIs out there. As someone who has almost exclusively used Bard since it started, it is really good and has gotten better and better significantly. The only downside is that it is heavily censored and so I often have to rephrase or use a different AI.
• gnicholas 3y ago
  I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name that, like "Google" also starts with a "G". Just as one data point, bard.com redirects to some other company (bd.com), whereas Gemini.com is a company by that name. I'd be curious on the scuttlebutt on how this decision was reached!
  • felarof 3y ago
    I built https://clashofgpts.com https://clashofgpts.com to use Gemini and GPT4 side-by-side. A good way to use your Gemini Ultra 2months trial and see if you want to switch to Google AI Premium subscription.
  • cflewis 3y ago
    Gemini is Latin, my guess is it more easily translates to other languages than Bard.
    • LukaszWiktor 3y ago
      Who translates product names?
      • gnicholas 3y ago
        I think the suggestion was that it would work well as-is in other languages. It would certainly be natural in romance languages.
      • pbhjpbhj 3y ago
        "How does that translate to ..." means "how well does that work in" some other area or context; more analogous to a mathematical translation than a linguistic translation. Just a confusing turn of phrase. They almost certainly didn't mean "what does that translate to ..." in another language. Harmonising product names across regions is hard: Jif was a bathroom cleaning solution in the UK, but it's name was changed to Cif to match the name elsewhere in Europe; and that name sounds silly to UK ears. Meanwhile GIF were always presumed to be pronounced like "gift" (a present) without the final T; but we learnt the creators preferred "Jif" which sounds silly to UK ears because it sounds like a cleaning product! (And also wasn't JIF already a file extension (JPEG Interchange Format). Anyway ... language is hard.
• jjcm 3y ago
  Getting really meta here, I was curious what GPT4 and Gemini Advanced thought of this discussion. I started with this prompt: "Here's a collection of comments on hackernews discussing the differences between GPT4 and Google Gemini, a new chat model. Please summarize the main points, pros/cons for each:" and then pasted in the content of this page. A few things right off the bat - GPT4 is able to fit the full discussion into the context window, Gemini Advanced can fit about 40% of it in, but interestingly even though it cuts off at 40%, it fails to generate with that amount until you cull it down to 30% of the discussion. Here's the output of the two: GPT4 It seems like the discussion on Hacker News about the differences between GPT-4 and Google Gemini, now referred to as Gemini Advanced, brings up several points and concerns among users. Here's a summary of the main points raised: Privacy and Data Use: There's a concern about conversations being processed by human reviewers to improve the technology powering Gemini Apps, with no opt-out mechanism for privacy offered in the paid feature. Disabling Data Use: Users can disable Gemini Apps Activity to prevent future conversations from being reviewed or used to improve machine-learning models, but there's skepticism about settings being reset with updates and the legalities of such practices. Corporate Practices: There's speculation about corporate motivations behind data retention policies and skepticism about the effectiveness and honesty of opt-out mechanisms based on past behaviors of large tech companies. Comparison with GPT-4: Users have experimented with both Gemini Advanced (previously Bard Advanced) and GPT-4 and noted that while Gemini might be better at certain tasks like translation and integrating search results, it is perceived to be worse at coding, logic, and has a tendency to hallucinate more in certain scenarios. Integration and Ecosystem: There's discussion about Gemini's potential integration into various Google services, offering a unified AI experience across Google's ecosystem. This could position Google strongly in the AI race, potentially overshadowing competitors by leveraging its existing services like Gmail, Docs, and YouTube. AI Implementation and Limitations: Comments touched on the implementation of logic in AI, with some users finding limitations in both Gemini and GPT-4's abilities to handle logical reasoning and complex coding tasks. Concerns about AI in Healthcare: There's speculation about the role of AI in healthcare advice, with concerns about the risks of hallucinations and the impact on well-being. Corporate Power and Strategy: Discussions also veer into how Google's strategy with Gemini and its potential bundling with other services could affect the market, consumer choices, and the competitive landscape. Legal and Ethical Considerations: Users raised questions about the legalities of data use practices, the ethical considerations of AI in giving medical advice, and the broader implications of AI advancements on society. These points reflect a mix of technical observations, personal experiences, and broader concerns about privacy, corporate practices, and the future role of AI in various domains. ------------------------------------------- Gemini Advanced Here's a summary of the feedback and insights obtained from the Hacker News comment thread regarding Google Gemini vs. GPT-4: Overall Sentiment The Google Gemini chat model is a strong competitor to GPT-4, with users highlighting potential advantages and disadvantages relative to ChatGPT. It seems further testing and exploration is needed to reach a definitive conclusion about which is ultimately "better". Gemini Pros Translation: Surpasses GPT-4 in ability to accurately translate idioms from languages like Chinese and Japanese. Search Integration: Provides superior context by smoothly incorporating search results in its generated responses. Potential for Wide-Reaching Integration: Could deeply and seamlessly integrate with Google's vast suite of productivity tools and services (Gmail, Docs, Maps, etc.), potentially surpassing Microsoft in this capacity. Gemini Cons Privacy Concerns: Users question Gemini's review, storage, and usage of conversations for model improvement, particularly the retention of data for 72 hours for "safety and reliability" without offering opt-out mechanisms. Questionable Censorship: Gemini may overly restrict medical-related or other sensitive topics. Logic Shortcomings: May present contradictory statements or struggle with basic logic puzzles. Hallucinations: Tendency to create inaccurate or confusing descriptions when interacting with images. GPT-4 Strengths (In Relation to Gemini) Coding: Slightly greater capability when given coding tasks. Logic: Better performance in handling logical reasoning challenges. Key Considerations for Large Language Models Privacy: Transparency, clear choices, and strong privacy controls are crucial in establishing trust and acceptance. Logic and Accuracy: The ability to reason correctly and avoid illogical contradictions or fabrications remains a foundational challenge for the advancement of these technologies. Censorship: Balancing safety concerns with the free flow of information and allowing users more control over the content filtering. Future Opportunities Enterprise Usage: Both Google and Microsoft (who has invested in ChatGPT) may find significant opportunity in enterprise markets leveraging language models to enhance productivity and work tools. Bundling: Google might further cement its competitive advantage by offering attractively priced bundles that combine Gemini with existing services like Google Drive, YouTube Premium, or others. Let me know if you'd like a more detailed look at any specific aspect or thread from the discussion!
• godisdad 3y ago
  Love how they rebranded before creating a valuable brand
• neaden 3y ago
  So for some reason I stumbled upon asking Bard/GPT for a reccomendation of a biography on Gregory of Nyssaa as a test, I wast looking for one but it turns out there really isn't on, at least in English. This gives them the tendency to Hallunicate. Sure enough tried on Gemini and get a fictional biography Saint Gregory of Nyssa: An Intellectual Biography by Rowan Williams (The former Archbishop of Canterbury). I think it's making this up based on the book St Gregory of Nazianzus: An Intellectual Biography but that is by John McGurkin. The other ones it recommends are Gregory of Nyssa by Lewis Ayers (A real author, no such book), Gregory of Nyssa: The Life and Works of a Cappadocian Father, and Gregory of Nyssa: Asceticism and Anthropology by Sarah Coakley. This last one is the closest to actually existing since she edited the book Re-Thinking Gregory of Nyssa which is a collection of essays on him. So it didn't make up any authors at least, but did make up some books. It will happily make up ISBNs for them if I ask and even provide links to Amazon, that of course go to other books. Asking for a book about any other figure notable enough to have a Wikipedia page but obscure enough to not have any existing book written about them will do the same thing, I tried it out with multiple signers of the Declaration of Independence for instance.
• mise_en_place 3y ago
  It’s hilarious to see Google dethroned from the AI/ML field. All scrappy startups eventually become slow monolithic incumbents.
• scudsworth 3y ago
  wow. it can even caption a photograph of my dog for me.
• stan_kirdey 3y ago
  I've been testing Ultra model today and comparing it to open source Mixtral MOE on HF chat. Gemini Ultra lost in every instance to the free open source model, including code generation. I think the tasks I do with the help of LLMs are common, and Gemini Ultra is unusable at the moment. Gemini refuses to answer or perform even on the simple prompts. I hope Google team can make it better, but at the moment, for my light coding and text analysis use cases it is not worth $19.99
  • philips 3y ago
    Can you paste in the transcripts?
• downWidOutaFite 3y ago
  Only a few product names, so easy to understand - Bard - Gemini - Pro 1.0 model - Gemini Advanced - Ultra 1.0 - Google One AI Premium Plan - Gmail, Docs, Slides, Sheets - Google app on iOS - Gemini app - Google Assistant
• jeniab 3y ago
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  • neom 3y ago
    Based on your observations then, you would recommend someone trade a GPT Subscription for a Gemini Ultra subscription? Or keep both? Or?
    • jeniab 3y ago
      I'd keep both to see how they work together.
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• wolpoli 3y ago
  Now that Bard is Gemini, it's going to be impossible to find any information on the Gemini protocol/Gemini clients/Gemini sites. It's not very nice for Google to use the same name.
  • jraph 3y ago
    Yeah, they keep doing this. Came to say this (I don't quite care about / for the product itself). They introduced Google Meet when Jitsi Meet already existed and is a similar product! It was easy to call it Google Call, or I don't know, figure it out. You haven't ran out of synonyms for Talk yet despite the huge churn. There are certainly sexier possible names than "Meet" too. Or than Gemini. Come on, you can find names that don't clash with existing products. You have dedicated teams for this. You've heard about the existing stuff. I'm sure you do extensive research when picking a name, to avoid lawsuits if nothing else. Also Someone has heard of Gemini at Google. Someone has heard of Jitsi Meet at Google. It has to be intentional. Of course Gemini comes from Greek mythology, nobody can claim the exclusivity on this, and here it's not even a competitor. Meet is a generic term too. They chose the name clashes. It's highly likely they can't be sued for this. But still. Legal ≠ right. Find something else. Rant over.
    • wolpoli 3y ago
      You are right that Google can't be sued for this. The only thing that the Gemini protocol/Gemini clients/Gemini community could do is rebrand.
      • jraph 3y ago
        Or wait for Google's "Update on" Gemini. Unclear which of the two options is more efficient :P.
• diimdeep 3y ago
  It is insane how hard it has become to create new or anonymous google account or to log in to old one that is not associated with your identity, it is practically impossible.
• ChildOfChaos 3y ago
  The promise sounded good, but the reviews for Gemini Advanced are not very positive. Google have thrown it in as part of Google one, but this means it's the same price as ChatGPT+ which for sure seems better despite Google's promises.
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• jpeter 3y ago
  Integrate it into Android Auto please
• farhanhubble 3y ago
  A company the size of Google can't come with something more catchy? The product better be compelling cause no one is going to check out what Gemini does just for the name.
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• confiq 3y ago
  of course the gemini android app is not available in Germany or EU https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.bard https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and...
• summerlight 3y ago
  Beside of the model quality or whatever, I think the subscription plan tiers are structured in a quite weird way, especially for those who already use Google One. Previously, the tiers are reasonably structured: 1. $9.99/month for 2TB + other benefits. Offered in both monthly and annual plans. 2. $24.99/month for 5TB. Includes all benefits above. Offered in both monthly and annual plans. 3. Higher tiers for 10~30TB. Includes all benefits above. Offered only in monthly plans. The 3rd option doesn't have an annual plan but other than that it's consistent and easy to understand. Now we have one more plan for "AI". 4. $19.99/month for 2TB + other benefits + Gemini access. Offered only in monthly plans. Now the existing Google One subscribers are now put in a weird situation. 2TB annual plan users now need to move to a monthly plan to use Gemini. It's worse for higher tiers, since they don't have an upgrade option at all without decreasing the storage size. And Google Fi users are even in the worst case, as they don't even have an option for upgrade, even if they're willing to do so. I guess they know this so they specified that high tier subscribers can use AI features at no extra charge until July 31 and probably prepare a new plan for them then, but this still create lots of user confusions. Having YT Premium as a separate subscription plan is already a pain, but Google, you don't have to bring this trouble into the product supposed to be the "One".
  • ukuina 3y ago
    Note that, unlike other plan benefits, Gemini Ultra access is only granted to the primary Family member/account-holder. Double-bummer.
  • chaostheory 3y ago
    They did the same pricing scheme for YouTube premium family plans. My guess is that they took out the annual plans so they can extract more money from customers.
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  • okrad 3y ago
    Good catch! I upgraded to Gemini Advanced to try it out for 2 months and figured I’d cancel. There does not seem to be a way to downgrade the plan without canceling and I was on the 100GB/yr plan through August. No discount on new monthly subscription. Bummer.
• rllearneratwork 3y ago
  doesn't work in US on Android now. An app says "Gemini is not available"
• thechimp 3y ago
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• genevra 3y ago
  Thank God "bard" was the dumbest Ai name yet
• dekhn 3y ago
  Sad launch experience: I download and install the app, and it just tells me "This app isn't available. Try again later". I'm in US, on a pixel phone and a xoogler. You'd think they would love to give me access. I also tried going thru assistant, and through the google app, no luck, and after uninstalling and reinstalling the Google app, now the gemini app button just hangs the UI(!) Oh wait... a reboot fixed it. Lol, google has become microsoft.
• FpUser 3y ago
  Ok I tried it to create snippets of code for some obscure cases. ChatGPT passed with flying colors. Gemini kept referring me to documentation and regurgitating how I should consult it. It plainly sucks.
• vcryan 3y ago
  yeah, okay... whatever
• cl42 3y ago
  Anyone know if Gemini has access to the web? Or how to give it access, if so? Happy to pay for Ultra but the docs are unclear...
  • foogazi 3y ago
    It can summarize links and provide links for products I asked it to summarize a link for a product and give me comparable products, with reviews and links and build a table for the results
    • cl42 3y ago
      Aha, thank you! After trying a few more queries, I see it doing that. Weirdly, Gemini regularly tells me it doesn't have access to search results or the web.
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• dr_pardee 3y ago
  Gentlemen, please give a warm welcome to this next performer, put your dollars in and give it up for Gemini!
• camdenlock 3y ago
  This doesn’t seem to be available via their Vertex APIs yet.
• seanvelasco 3y ago
  searched for this in the app store. got a "Gemini AI Expert" ad as the first result. i understand app review process is quite strict in the app store - i'm just wondering why it's not the same for ads? i hate ads.
• Mistletoe 3y ago
  I'm impressed with Gemini a lot and prefer it to ChatGPT. I asked what the price of Bitcoin was today and it gave me the price from several sources and I told her the Coinbase price was wrong and she checked again and said "You know what, you are right, I've corrected that." She seems nicer than ChatGPT, is faster, and gives answers with less fluff and nonsense padding added. I think I've found my new LLM. I hated the name Bard it just seemed like the name a of a second place LLM, I don't know how to describe it better than that.
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• ulfw 3y ago
  What will this thing be called next quarter? Will it be around?
• atleastoptimal 3y ago
  If this is the best Google can do 1.5 years after GPT-4 finished training, then OpenAI surely still has a big lead.
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• aiauthoritydev 3y ago
  I am glad they renamed bard to gemini. Google is a global company a hell of its their users are not native english speakers and for a lot of english speakers like those from say India, they do not know what Bard is. Bard sounds like a LGBTQ hippie with pink hair. Perfectly good name for a beta and experimental product. Not for something mature and major. Gemini is pretty good though I do not know whether Gem-in-eye or Je-mee-nee is the correct pronunciation. Gemini is a start, constellation and extremely popular word and most people are likely to know it because horoscope.
• sirspacey 3y ago
  This is wild to admit but we are directly betting that Google will fail to effectively incorporate Gemini across GSuite for Work. I think it is (very) fair to say this is a risky bet. I would love to hear from the HN community why we are wrong to take it. Here’s the case we see: 1. Google has a long history of seeking to evolve the GSuite and failing. There are notable exceptions, but the failures are far more notable (Wave, G+). 2. Extending Gsuite is a scripts game. As amazing as the idea of an AI powered Gsuite is, practical B2B implementation requires a heavy amount of custom process design and integration. While Google can modify their own products far beyond what GApp scripts do, the ecosystem around Gsuite is still fundamentally very hacky. There’s an entire universe of products that could just be Google add-ons but aren’t. Google has missed the trend of no code/low code when you compare to tools like Notion, Coda, AirTable, Zapier, etc. 3. GSuite products are fundamentally legacy UIs. This is the riskiest part of our bet. The thesis is that AI-first approaches to solving for user needs will be significantly better solved by re-imagining common products than adding chat-driven functionality on top of them. If true, Google could actually lose market share after incorporating Gemini. Microsoft, in relative terms, is executing on all of the above and has been for a while. There’s a host of other reasons (mentioned on this thread already) Google may fail in this attempt, but the execution challenge here is intense. Google is both taking longer to get to market and delivering a lackluster comparison overall to OpenAI/Microsoft, despite all the metric gamesmanship. MS has so much more of the market and has to win, whereas Google’s revenue and stock price is far less impacted by GSuite. It would be an extraordinary thing for Google to actually win this race.
  • vrzucchini 3y ago
    Things like the below are precisely why I would not only bet on Google failing but silently hope that they do. Sorry, Gemini Advanced isn't available for you Gemini Advanced is not yet available in some countries, for work accounts, or for users under a certain age. Rant: No explanation, no suggested alternative; just an ominous "Learn More" button that sends you barreling down the spiraling rabbit hole of support.google.com. Diving deeper, I uncovered that 's accessibility is limited to personal accounts under Google One with the sole Workspace option being for Google Workspace Individual(??). On my personal account I can sign up for Gemini Advanced by upgrading my Google One account to Google One AI Premium. As a standard Google Workspace account holder, I was directed towards Gemini for Workspace but naturally that is still branded as Duet AI for Workspace.. And naturally I have to request a trial and be contacted by a Google team member even though it has been announced as being generally available.. It's a microcosm of the broader frustrations with Google's approach to product development and user engagement that we've come to expect - hyped product launches with restricted availability, arbitrary limitations, and a consistently-confused product ecosystem.
• superhumanuser 3y ago
  Android, US: "Gemini isn't currently available. Try again later." https://i.imgur.com/qMApYjV.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/qMApYjV.jpeg
• kimjune01 3y ago
  Bard is a difficult word to pronounce in East asian countries (korean, japanese) compared to Gemini. I'm thinking the renaming is a globalist move.
• _heimdall 3y ago
  They clearly should have gone with HAL if the Bard branding wasn't working out.
• ArunRaja 3y ago
  Gemini Web : missing Custom instructions from Chatgpt. Gemini android : not available in India yet.
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• wellthisisgreat 3y ago
  Soo, Jimmy? to OpenAI’s Charlie?
• stratigos 3y ago
  Well, we all know a Gemini cant be trusted ;-)
• nebula8804 3y ago
  At this point I have been disappointed so many times by what they release that I just come up with a task I successfully had ChatGPT4 do and just paste it into both tools to compare answers. That is the easiest way for me to tell if they have caught up or not. In this case, I asked it to look at a CSV of 100 transactions from a recent trip and give me some insights. ChatGPT4 gave me a breakdown of the transactions and told me where all the money went. Google: I cannot process this amount of data. just pastes the first 50 lines I cannot process this data. pastes 20 lines. I cannot answer this question at this time. Ok then, I guess I'll keep using ChatGPT.
• replwoacause 3y ago
  Still not better than ChatGPT. I gave it some tax related questions with URLs to use as source, it flopped badly but ChatGPT absolutely nailed it, even getting the complicated tax logic correct. Same experience asking it to analyze code. It is objectively worse than ChatGPT still.
• aagha 3y ago
  What an absolute cluster of crap software the Android Gemini app is! Unlike Assistant, when you put in a request, you THEN have to hit the Submit button to make the request go through. And it can't do things like set timers. I'm shocked at how such a big company releases such terrible features thrust upon (b?)millions of users and how so called "product managers" are able to keep their jobs and move up the ranks and make millions of dollars in comp.
• comonoid 3y ago
  Still fails to count properly legless elephants' legs.
• syradar 3y ago
  This would have been exciting if coming from a company that you can trust to keep services alive and not sell your data.
• 99catmaster 3y ago
  As someone who’s exclusively used ChatGPT (3, 3.5 and now 4), how do the other alternatives compare?