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Tesla Software Version 10.0
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago"Those using Smart Summon must remain responsible for the car and monitor it and its surroundings at all times. " Does this come with an "oh god, stop!" button of some sort?
- Limb 7y agoI wonder what happens if your phone freezes and you can't push the "oh god, stop!" button? Would you still be at fault?
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoI guess it's an "keep going" button that you have to hold down, but still, if you're phone freezes - is there a fail state we can be absolutely certain of between the phone and the car?
- the8472 7y ago> we can be absolutely certain Such a thing does not exist. You can only add more nines (e.g. heartbeats, check sensor jitter etc.). At some point you're more likely to be ran over by another car than the tesla slowly, patiently crushing you at 2km/h. Of course that doesn't mean tesla is actually that reliable.
- dragonwriter 7y agoHeartbeats won't catch UI freezes, which I've seen on phones. Hopefully, those would result in a drop of the input signal rather than it locked in its prior state, though.
- redfern314 7y agoHeartbeat would hopefully also include a counter, so that a locked input signal would result in the vehicle rejecting the heartbeat (sees that each message is the same instead of incrementing the counter). No guarantee that's how they implemented it, though.
- shawnz 7y agoThey could mitigate such a failure mode by requiring a constant motion, like swiping a knob back and forth continuously
- dfsegoat 7y ago"keep going" button = Dead mans switch [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_man%27s_switch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_man%27s_switch
- kelnos 7y agoI could easily imagine a failure mode where the UI stops responding to input (that is, doesn't pass the "touch end" event to the app) and the app continues to send the "keep going" signal to the car.
- RandallBrown 7y agoThat could definitely happen, but it would have to happen at the same time the car's normal collision avoidance systems fail. Certainly possible to happen, but probably pretty unlikely.
- loeg 7y agoYou hope the car relies on continuous signal from the phone to proceed. It's certainly possible that the phone freezes in a way that the "keep going" signal continues to be sent, but it's probably not the more likely failure mode. Definitely a good thing to be concerned about!
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoI may be just a bad developer but my first thought when I see or build a new feature for anything is "how could this go wrong, and who will it kill if it does?" Thankfully, I don't make self driving vehicles, so the second question is usually at worst a handful.
- agitator 7y agoMore than likely, as the driver holds the button on the phone, the phone sends a message with the command, at a decently fast rate. If the message stops coming in, doesn't come in within an acceptable interval, comes in out of order (possibly indicating a bad line of site), or signal strength is low. If any of this happens, the car exits summon and the driver has to re-enable it if they want to.
- yummypaint 7y agoIm picturing a tesla creeping through someones garage wall and into their living room as the owner dashes their phone against the driveway
- function_seven 7y agoFollowed by the Allstate mayhem guy: "and with your cut-rate insurance, you could be paying for this yourself." Or the Farmer's guy "It happened, and we covered it".
- jellicle 7y agoTesla would undoubtedly want you to be. Who has more money to hire lawyers, you or Tesla?
- zaroth 7y agoIt’s not an “oh god stop” button. It’s a “continuing going” button. And if the connection to the car is interrupted even briefly then Summon deactivates. This is how Summon has always worked. I’ve had my phone die while using it. The car stopped before the shut down spinner graphic even showed up.
- defap 7y agoI believe it's controlled by a sort of dead man's switch, i.e. you must continuously hold down a button for the car to move.
- ncr100 7y agoLiterally - you stop holding it until after you are dead. There must be additional safety features in the software to avoid collision with obstacles? Sonar sensors?
- andrewmunsell 7y agoThe newest version of Summon uses the cameras and I'm guessing the ultrasonic/radar to actually avoid obstacles, but is controlled by the app (you have to be holding the button down in the app)
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoThey are one digital steering knob away from turning the whole thing into an 500 Hp RC car.
- loeg 7y agoLike the car from Tomorrow Never Dies (1997), 22 years later.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoWell, there's a cross-promotion I really hope one day happens. Tesla and a 20 year old movie! Yeah!
- stetrain 7y agoYes, the 'hold the button' is a final liability layer on top of all of the onboard collision avoidance.
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- Flockster 7y agoYou have to keep pressing the button. As soon as you release the button or the car looses the connection to the phone, it stops.
- cwkoss 7y agoDoes smart summon have a mechanism to avoid sleeping pets (or children) lying under the wheel base? Is that just the 'operator's responsibility?
- zaroth 7y agoAre you literally asking about how the feature performs if there is a child hiding under the car?
- cwkoss 7y agoYes. Because if there aren't any undercarriage sensors this will eventually lead to deaths.
- mlindner 7y agoAnd what prevents you from climbing into your car and doing the same thing? Do you check under your car every time before you drive off? I know I certainly don't and never have.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoYou might notice legs sticking out from under the car, and your getting in is going to cause a fair bit of alerting noise - doors opening and closing, you moving around. Without even a motor to start, the Tesla will just start moving.
- fyfy18 7y agoMaybe not children, but in my city it's not uncommon to find cats and other small animals sleeping under cars during winter.
- FireBeyond 7y agoWitness the contradiction right in Tesla's own material: > You can use this while being distracted by a fussy child[1]. > [1] You must be paying full attention to the car.
- mlindner 7y agoLook, if you don't like the car, you can just not buy it. Why piss on other people's experiences?
- xedeon 7y agoBecause it's hip and edgy to hate on Elon/Tesla it seems.. Even though these types haven't even experienced driving the cars. The experience has been eloquently put by Chamath Palihapitiya in this video: https://youtu.be/lx6GJADrflk?t=255 https://youtu.be/lx6GJADrflk?t=255 Yes, the company is not perfect, but at least they are trying to accelerate the transition to renewables.
- new_realist 7y agoSmart summon is here; hide your young children.
- fullshark 7y agoThe supposed use case described here is a parking lot also, where there will be lots of pedestrians darting between cars.
- imglorp 7y agoThis might work out ok at low speed. The algorithm is simply "Don't hit anything. Stop if confused."
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- dx87 7y agoConsidering that they haven't perfected the "don't accelerate into stationary objects" algorithm, I'm not sure I trust this in an area with a lot of pedestrian traffic.
- krapp 7y agoAccelerate, decelerate, stationary, moving, so much complicated math. It's not surprising computers can't handle it.
- bdamm 7y agoThe freeway control regime is entirely different from a low-speed control regime required to safely maneuver in a parking lot. Where I'd expect strange things to occur would be when a car confuses a baby rolling on the asphalt with a garbage bag being blown in the wind, and runs it over.
- slg 7y agoIt is all about adjusting the confidence required to make certain actions. A car traveling 70 mph on the freeway can be in a lot of danger if it suddenly brakes unnecessarily, but that generally isn't true for a car going 10 mph in a parking lot. You therefore have to be a lot more confident that "garbage bag" is a "baby" on the freeway while in the parking lot you can stop at pretty much all signs of trouble.
- enahs-sf 7y agohoping to see that upgrade that recognizes stop signs for full self driving soon!
- sxates 7y agoReally excited to finally get Spotify integration, that's huge. Also hoping they install WiFi at superchargers so you can watch youtube/Netflix while charging there. Not sure where else I'd use that feature.
- lazyjones 7y agoImagine how much bandwidth they'd save if Superchargers with WiFi offered the latest software version cached locally at full WiFi speed to the cars...
- chrisstanchak 7y agoCDN costs must be negligible compared to the cost of managing that.
- jasoncartwright 7y agoPotentially the expensive cost they would mitigate is the mobile data
- gleenn 7y agoI think it only upgrades over WiFi? I remember someone complaining that it was difficult to upgrade because of network issues.
- jasoncartwright 7y agoThey prioritise upgrade downloads over wifi, even faster over service centre wifi (from my experience)
- lazyjones 7y agoYep, I hide my 2nd phone with a power bank in the car sometimes just to provide an AP for the car to initiate a download (it's in a public garage with no public WiFi nearby).
- kaibee 7y agoHow is Smart Summon legal to use? I'm guessing parking lots are private property?
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- dragonwriter 7y ago> How is Smart Summon legal to use? I can't imagine it is legal anywhere fully automated, unsupervised cars are not, even places that have supervised autonomous testing, since there is no driver at the controls. Of course, if you are someplace the public driving laws don't apply, and no private rules have yet been adopted against it, you might be okay even in jurisdictions where self-driving vehicles aren't allowed. > I'm guessing parking lots are private property? They are, but in CA they frequently have signs notifying that the public Vehicle Code applies and is enforced.
- AcerbicZero 7y agoI kinda wish Tesla made a few regular petrol cars for the enthusiast type such as myself, as this sounds like a ton of neat technology to play around with. I'm just not in the market for an electric car, unfortunately. Edit: By enthusiast, I mean track/motorsport/etc enthusiast. I borrowed a Model S from a friend of mine for a few days and while I enjoyed it, it wasn't the most exciting drive, and I can't imagine it would be much good on a track. Amazing technology though.
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- gameswithgo 7y agoI used to be a huge enthusiast, drove mr2s, z06 corvettes, a wrx, bmw 3 series, autocrossed the competitively. Driving an electric tesla made all of those cars feel utterly dumb. If you drive cross country a lot or do long track sessions, I get it, tesla won't work well, but if you don't think an enthusiast would like a tesla, give one a try.
- spectrum1234 7y agoRight unless you routinely go on 500+ mile trips with a longer range Tesla or 400+ mile trips with the shorter range models there is no need for a gas car. I road trip a decent amount but I've released 4-5 hour drives aren't really an issue. And of course those trips are possible you'd just need to stop 1-3 times for 10-15 mins (you charge faster at lower batter % vs fill up more range once). Now if you want to go 2x your battery range, then you actually start to have a mild inconvenience with charging time.
- cortesoft 7y agoI thought that, too, but I have taken a couple of longer (800 mile or so) trips in the Tesla and was pleasantly surprised. I thought the 'charge for 30 minutes' at a supercharger was going to seem like a lot of waiting, but by the time we unloaded the kids out of the car, went to the bathroom, etc, the car was already charged. Being forced to stop every couple of hundred miles was really not that bad. Broke up the trip nicely. Also, the autopilot is AMAZING for long trips. Even though you have to pay attention, it is so much less exhausting than fully driving. I kinda feel like a supervisor, watching out far down the road, looking out for strange things coming up, etc. Just a very pleasant experience.
- oflannabhra 7y agoIs there a specific reason why Tesla refuses to integrate CarPlay or Android Auto?
- bobobooey 7y agoDue to a lot of the controls and even speedometer only being accessible through the screen, it's probably easier for them to keep it on their own OS.
- Gaelan 7y agoLots of cars display their own UI chrome around CarPlay.
- pokstad 7y agoOther car manufactures have tried avoiding those two because they want to maintain control over their ecosystem. Read up on how Toyota failed at this with their special infotainment Linux OS.
- pokstad 7y agohttps://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1110821_toyota-owners-to-get-linux-system-instead-of-apple-carplay-android-auto-hooray https://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1110821_toyota-owners-...
- Havoc 7y agoNetflix in a car that doesn't yet have fully autonomous driving. Perhaps not the greatest of ideas Or maybe its while stationary only?
- jackos 7y ago...to watch your favorite shows, movies and content right from your car while parked
- NickM 7y agoYes, it is only enabled while the car is parked.
- Retric 7y agoI think it’s mostly for charging. “YouTube, and Hulu or Hulu + Live TV accounts to watch your favorite shows, movies and content right from your car while parked.”
- xedeon 7y agoThat's a bit of a shortsighted comment, since it only works while the car is parked... It's supposed to entertain while charging. Same with the games.
- piercebot 7y agoI would not be surprised if a lot of people elected to watch shows in their parked car instead of their living room simply because of the fantastic audio system. I don't have a surround sound system in my home, but I do in my Model 3! Looking forward to trying it out :)
- dmode 7y agoThis is why I am a Tesla fanboy (although somewhat begrudgingly due to Elon's recent antics). They have made car ownership such a joyous experience. I am eagerly waiting to download this and go to town
- kevin_thibedeau 7y agoIs it a joyous experience when you have to wait 1 month+ for basic replacement parts to arrive? How about when your consumer grade touch panel dies from heat and vibration?
- navigatesol 7y agoImagine describing sitting in a parking lot watching YouTube in your car a "joyous experience".
- xedeon 7y agoI installed the update and with the immersive sound on the Model 3. It is a great experience ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .
- bdamm 7y agoAs strange as it is to a pedestrian such as myself, sitting in parking lots with the climate set to your liking, the doors locked, and a media on the screen, seems to be an increasingly popular past-time. I personally don't understand it, but cars selling to this use-case are seemingly more successful than cars that don't, and these parking lot homebodies are popping up more and more.
- citrusui 7y agoNot sure why they called this new feature "Joe Mode". Who is this Joe? An employee? Why not call it quiet mode?
- millerm 7y agoI may be incorrect, but I recall it being about someone on Twitter had sent a message to Elon asking if they could turn down the volume of the alerts because it would wake up their kids while they were driving. His name was Joe. So Tesla implemented “Joe Mode”.
- millerm 7y agoFrom Tesla: https://www.tesla.com/support/software-version-10-0#joe https://www.tesla.com/support/software-version-10-0#joe
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- hudon 7y agoThey wouldn’t say this, but I’m guessing it’s a sly reference to Sleepy Joe (Biden).
- bredren 7y agoIs this memeified announce video typical for official Tesla marketing? It’s so casual it is hard to take seriously. Tesla is not your father’s car.
- cj 7y ago> Tesla is not your father’s car. But, it is (at least at that price point). Whenever I see a mercedes/audi/mclaren/tesla/maserati/bentley, it's almost always an older adult driving (40-60 if I had to guess). Probably because these cars aren't affordable for people until late in their career. (I'm in upstate NY, the demographics are surely on the younger side in the bay area where you have tech workers who earn enough early in their career to afford it) That style marketing video is incredibly confusing given the target market.
- dhritzkiv 7y agoInteresting that you call this memeified: it seems par for the course for present day marketing videos and it doesn't faze me. Then again, I am not my father.
- automathematics 7y agoThey changed their branding 2-3 months ago. I thought it was weird at first, but it's kinda working. I'm personally sick of all the nice car commercials looking more like a Calvin Klein cologne ad.
- bredren 7y agoDo you recall exactly when? I suspect this video cost almost zero to make. Would be curious to see the changeover. Was it addressed / highlighted at the time?
- mulcahey 7y agoAround July when they hired one Adam Koszary https://twitter.com/AdamKoszary/status/1130837644827660289?s=20 https://twitter.com/AdamKoszary/status/1130837644827660289?s... He apparently got hired because Elon likes his "absolute unit" sheep meme. https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-hires-social-media-manager-from-elon-musks-favorite-museum-2019-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-hires-social-media-man... Their twitter has been a lot more whimsical since. For example: https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1175048579829944320 https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1175048579829944320
- tidepod12 7y agoBit of a bad look that the video clip showing Smart Summon shows the Tesla driving the wrong direction down a one-way lane... This might be a situation where Tesla Smart Summon works only when Tesla's are still rare. In areas where they are more common, I imagine a traffic jam of confused driverless Teslas trying to move past each other but get stuck in a small lane like the one in the video.
- Judgmentality 7y ago> In areas where they are more common, I imagine a traffic jam of confused driverless Teslas trying to move past each other but get stuck in a small lane like the one in the video. I wonder what kind of road rage this might induce.
- ricardobeat 7y agoIt’s a parking lot, no right way.
- tidepod12 7y agoTraffic rules don't just magically go away just because you enter a parking lot. edit: the parent comment edited his comment to include "no right way", which I'd like to address: it is very common (at least in every America city I've ever been to) for parking lots to have lanes that are very clearly marked for only one-way travel. These lanes, like the one shown in the video, are typically only wide enough for one car, and if someone is going the wrong way down one, there's a good chance they'll cause a traffic jam if they encounter someone who is going the right way. Sure, since it's in a parking lot you might not get a ticket from a police officer. But these rules and established traffic flows still exist for a reason, and if Smart Summon disregards them, it has the potential to cause some incredibly inconvenient situations for both the Tesla owner and anyone else involved.
- smileysteve 7y agoLegally, they kind of do.
- EStudley 7y agoDoes anyone know if the user interface is still Qt/QML?
- jhallenworld 7y agoThe entertainment system improvements are amusing. I installed an Android-based radio in my 19 year old ICE car for less than $300 and have all of these features. For internet, you have to be in Wifi range, add a SIM card to the radio, or tether from your phone. (I tether or use the house Wifi). It's fun to add a bluetooth OBD2 dongle, so I can watch vacuum/boost on the screen with the Torque app (or diagnose car problems, it is an old car..). https://www.amazon.com/Eonon-Bluetooth-Navigation-Support-System-GA9353/dp/B07QK4G16S/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=android+radio+vw+passat&qid=1569536406&s=gateway&sr=8-19 https://www.amazon.com/Eonon-Bluetooth-Navigation-Support-Sy...
- Whatarethese 7y agoI remember putting one of those in my old Jetta. Thing was a piece of crap. Slow UI, programmed for Japanese radio stations. Looked much better than the stock head unit though. Its saving grace was Bluetooth streaming.
- jhallenworld 7y agoI think they are improving over time. The one I have from a few years ago has a fast GUI, but admittedly has a few annoyances: The FM radio overloads when I drive near a transmitting tower (the stock radio and an aftermarket Kenwood I have in another car don't have this problem). It's nice that it integrates with the car's computer, but it could be better. When I back up it switches to back-up cam mode, which turns off the radio or anything else you're doing. This has the side effect that I try to rush through the back-up manoeuver to get the radio back. I'm tempted to upgrade to a more recent one to see if these things have improved. An upgrade from one aftermarket radio to another is pretty easy, because the wiring is all done. Yeah, I did this upgrade in the first place just to add bluetooth and figured I give the Android radio a try.
- Twirrim 7y ago> Our new “Car-aoke” feature lets you sing your heart out with friends on a road trip – or by yourself. Wait what.. you're encouraging drivers to look at the entertainment panel to read song lyrics? While they're driving?
- noveltyaccount 7y agohttps://electrek.co/2019/09/15/tesla-v10-first-look-release-notes-features/ https://electrek.co/2019/09/15/tesla-v10-first-look-release-... > Tesla notes that while you can play the tracks while driving, the feature will only display the lyrics when the car is in park. That’s a bit of a shame for road trips with the family, but safety first.
- wilg 7y agoNo it doesn't work while driving.
- vanshg 7y agoThe lyrics don't show up unless you are parked
- Whatarethese 7y agoIt only works in park.
- SomeOldThrow 7y agoI really wish they offered a dumb car with the electrics but no screen.
- dreamcompiler 7y agoSo glad they've made it possible to watch Netflix and Youtube and play games on the screen. Those things are exactly what I'm looking for in a car operating system. After all, I can't do any of those with my phone.
- je_bailey 7y agoThis may seem petty but it annoys me that after all this time I still can't make a hands free call to anyone that has more then one phone number in my address book.
- xedeon 7y agoReally? My wife has her mobile and work number on my phone contacts (iOS) and I can use the voice command to say: "Call wife on mobile" or "Call wife on work" and it works. I tested this on a 2016 Model X, 2015 Model S and 2019 Model 3.
- daferna 7y agoI love that hype video, Spotify is a god-send.
- hartator 7y ago> “Car-aoke” Oh no.
- yalogin 7y agoI was really excited for a minute there hoping that they finally fixed the "autoplay media on the phone on opening the door" bug that plagued the car since its launch. But no such luck.
- freeflight 7y agoThat sounds like a bug that could potentially be pretty embarrassing.
- xedeon 7y agoThis might be phone OS specific. I have an iPhone and the latest iOS13 update seems to have fixed this.
- trca 7y agoAgreed. iOS 13 fixed that for me when I installed the public betas at the start of summer.
- williesleg 7y agoI love Tesla! Designed and built in USA! And China's built in China! They are geniuses.
- aledalgrande 7y agoUse Smart Summon if you want to feel like Tony Stark.
- taf2 7y agoEnhanced summon is great. I had early access and used it on rainy days. Never again worried I’ll forget my umbrella.
- JustFinishedBSG 7y agoToo bad the Tesla has been nerfed so bad it's useless / dangerous in Europe. ( because of regulation ).
- riantogo 7y agoGreat non-driving features.Not going to complain about Tesla making my car continuously better, but I was hoping to see, "Autopilot now does more".
- teej 7y agoGiven the amount of time I end up spending sitting at a supercharger, it totally makes sense.
- zaroth 7y agoIt’s strange they don’t highlight many of the driving improvements. AutoPilot has definitely improved, and particularly visualizations of the AP state-of-world are significantly richer. They are presently testing red-light detection in shadow mode on the whole AP2/3 fleet, for example.
- kerkeslager 7y agoI want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective. There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want to be forced into some awful proprietary OS touch screen just to adjust my A/C, and I'm afraid companies are using the switch from gas to electric as an excuse to go in that direction.
- mark242 7y agoGet yourself a used Ford Focus Electric. The range is small, but it's the perfect commuter car and is the closest thing to an "analog" electric car you'll find. Ford took the high-end Titanium body and interior and grafted the electric drivetrain into it.
- mlindner 7y agoAny gas car converted to electric is universally terrible. They have to mount the batteries extremely high because the chassis wasn't built for the batteries and this results in utterly horrible handling because the center of mass is too high.
- nguoi 7y agoHandling doesn't matter in city commuting. People also seem happy to buy SUVs and crossovers which have much higher centres of mass than hatchbacks.
- NullPrefix 7y agoHandling of a SUV, usefulness of a hatchback. It's like the worst of both worlds.
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- mensetmanusman 7y agoI have seen a few comments talking about how Tesla’s can’t even read the traffic signs... This is a conscious decision because signs are easily spoofed by black tape. Because speed limits change so infrequently, it is much easier and safer to pull from a lookup table than to read dirty signs and rely on CV...
- Too 7y agoWhat about reduced speed at road works? Humans can also be spoofed by black tape but humans, usually, have common sense to realize that going 100 in a small city road is probably a very bad idea.
- kaiwen1 7y agoThe depth and breadth of anti-Tesla sentiment in HN threads is curious. It's rarely from owners. By all satisfaction surveys, owners love their Teslas.
- muzika 7y agoI am also buffled. Teslas make all other feel like a flip phones compared to a smart phone. After owning a Tesla driving an ICE car feels like going back in time. Even for long trips I prefer to take a Tesla, even though I also own 2 gas cars too.
- Traster 7y agoThat's because you're not thinking about it from the perspective of the people you're talking about. The only experience that non-Tesla owners have of Tesla is constantly hearing bullshit about "Self-driving" that have constantly been proven untrue, all sorts of stories about quality issues, and a CEO who in many ways is a dick.
- xedeon 7y agoIt's very intriguing indeed... I always thought the HN demographic is a pretty smart bunch, because I often learn quite a bit from the comment section. I don't get all of the anti-Tesla vitriol, I'm honestly curious what fuels it. It's like all objectivity get's thrown out the window.
- tastroder 7y ago> It's like all objectivity get's thrown out the window. Welcome to the internet? Tesla is just a divisive topic around here and only a small percentage of that concerns their products. As somebody usually only watching these threads it's quite amusing to be honest. On one side you have the people that just don't like Musk, or those with legit concerns like the right to repair folks. On the other hand you have a mix of satisfied owners and people that for some reason to into full "somebody is wrong on the internet" mode. There rarely ever seems to be any constructive discussion in these threads, any praise devolves into mud swinging, every criticism is jumped upon or dismissed.
- GrumpyNl 7y agoI love the push buttons on my radio 1-10 for 10 channels. If i wanna change, i intuitive press the right button. I drive a Mercedes, i can skip through 20 channels on my steer-wheel, or use the touchscreen and go to radio and... Push buttons for me.
- mlindner 7y agoI'm always surprised how many ycombinator news readers keep repeating utterly false trite that they heard in some news report that is completely false or was true years ago and has long been fixed. It's like people are just only listening to things that confirm their anti-Tesla biases. People need to take a step back and just read the Wikipedia on things more often.
- tibbydudeza 7y agoI have a VW radio with a touchscreen. Fortunately the volume knob is in a fixed location so I can use it without taking my eyes of the road and the skip/play buttons are on the steering wheel. While aircraft use glass cockpits , the important controls keeping it in the sky are still good old button/levers even with different shapes/textures.
- xedeon 7y agohttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFbKj5CUwAEA_Wt.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFbKj5CUwAEA_Wt.jpg
- LeonM 7y agoThat image is actually quite powerful, I never thought about it like that. - jaguar vs tesla - blackberry vs iphone - accessibility vs simplicity - function vs form - classic vs modern They are both really good products, but some will prefer the blackberry and some the iPhone. The only thing we have in common, is always be ranting about why the other product is bad.
- dreamer7 7y agoWith all the entertainment features they are releasing, they should cash in on the trend of home smart speakers / TVs.
- cosmosa 7y agoWhat a bunch of odd features.