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Identity verification on Claude
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- sph 3mo agoHow does it work in business settings? Is your employer going to send your ID information to Claude?
- shevy-java 3mo agoYOU have become their product. This so conveniently ties into age-sniffing as well.
- xmstan 3mo agoFunny how no-one talks about AI neutrality like we used to discuss net neutrality. We literally now enter a space where not only you will have to prove your identity with a gov issued ID, but they will silently block you if they deem you try to use it in a way that they don't like. It is literally similar to a situation where your ISP would investigate all sites you visit and limit your bandwidth if they don't like the the ones you enter...
- stingraycharles 3mo ago> Funny how no-one talks about AI neutrality like we used to discuss net neutrality From my perspective, these LLM providers aren’t infrastructure providers but more like SaaS. And there are also open models that you can use to do anything you want. These AI companies are also under a lot of scrutiny and sometimes it feels like whatever they do in this regard, they’re bound to piss someone off. Last but not least, it seems like this is directly related to Anthropic’s latest models being blocked for export control by the US.
- fjsoxjdnwk 3mo agoThe irony is the current administration’s posturing against Chinese AI companies forcing something like this is going to actually bolster competitive advantage overseas. That and European companies as well. The landscape is going to change drastically in 5 years once all the data centers are built all over the world. The science behind these models are being worked on IN PUBLIC. The research is not secret. The implementations will all catch up.
- HarHarVeryFunny 3mo ago> The science behind these models are being worked on IN PUBLIC. The research is not secret. The implementations will all catch up. Only to a limited extent - the US companies stopped sharing research a long time ago, other than Anthropic's interpretability research (which also seems to have dried up?). Interestingly most of the sharing is now coming from the Chinese side, largely DeepSeek. Ziphu/Z.ai (GLM) is also partner in the Slime RL training framework. I wouldn't call much, if any, of this "science" - it's all empiricalism. Throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks. There's a famous quote from Noam Shazeer: "We offer no explanation as to why these architectures seem to work; we attribute their success, as all else, to divine benevolence" https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.05202v1 https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.05202v1 Jakob Uszkoreit has also talked about the empiricalism that it took to make what would become the Transformer, and any complex neural network architecture work.
- adrian_b 3mo agoWhile OpenAI and Anthropic have not provided any useful information for a long time, there still are some research publications from a few US companies, e.g. NVIDIA about its Nemotron models, or Google and IBM about their small LLMs.
- slim 3mo agoyou can't just selectively sell only to people you like. it's prohibited in most countries
- cyanydeez 3mo agoIn America, what you _can do_ is price "discovery" and create artificial price "discrimination". Just like Walgreens can lock up hair gels or condoms. Just like Gillette can create a pink tax: https://www.the-independent.com/life-style/gillette-ad-commercial-pink-tax-controversy-toxic-masculinity-metoo-a8731821.html https://www.the-independent.com/life-style/gillette-ad-comme... The idea that this prohibition is real when we're talking about the literal start of price discrimination that'll certainly proceed to dividing social classes into the $$$$ Fable and the $ OpenAI access to information. Back in slavery, was just listening to this, keeping slaves illiterate wasn't just a by product of slave owners, it was a direct action to ensure to minimize resistence. And now we're on the same lubricated slide, where white color workers will "demand" access to the "powerful" models and they'll leverage up the corpospeak to divide and conquer. Just don't believe "you can't just selectively sell". You can, and laws will selectively enforce.
- inigyou 3mo agoNet neutrality wasn't about ID checks.
- bitmasher9 3mo agoNet neutrality was about processing network traffic differently based on who was sending the packets. It’s not entirely dissimilar.
- jjfoooo4 3mo agoOne major difference is that to send network traffic, you have to go through an ISP. With AI you have the option of local open source models
- coldtea 3mo agoDoesn't matter, the neutrality part still applies: just provide the same damn service to customers, regardless of who they are.
- hdndjsbbs 3mo agoNet neutrality is about a natural monopoly - there can only be so many cell towers, satellites and fibre optic cables. This limits the number of ISPs. By contrast there is no natural limit to how many AI companies there can be. I would prefer if we just nationalized this stuff but if we have to let private companies control limited resources we can at least enforce anti-trust rules. That's effectively what net-neutrality is - preventing the monopolists from colluding with sites to provide uneven access.
- gentooflux 3mo agoThe number of AI companies there can be is absolutely hard-limited by infrastructure. The ones which exist currently are racing like hell to horizontally integrate everything from network to power and water for themselves
- fc417fc802 3mo agoThat's nonsense. You might not be able to afford to enter the market but that's not at all the same as a physical constraint capping the number of competitors.
- gentooflux 3mo agoYou might not be able to afford to put up power lines or build a road, but that doesn't mean you physically cannot. By your logic there are no natural monopolies
- fc417fc802 3mo agoIf I want to service 1234 sesame st from my physical location with power lines there are a very limited number of routes I can take. The limited physical space quickly becomes crowded, duplicate physical infrastructure of that nature is highly inefficient, and there's a (completely pointless) negative impact on society to accommodate the constant installation and servicing. Commodity hardware installed in a commodity building on commodity land using commodity power hooked up to a commodity network isn't the same thing. By your logic anything expensive or inconvenient is a natural monopoly. I believe the term you were looking for was "high barrier to entry".
- bko 3mo agoMaybe because all the predictions of the very vocal net neutrality crowd didn't manifest. It got memory holed and life just moved on. The only outcome was maybe a few cell phone carriers bumping your bandwidth limits for netflix streaming
- thinkingtoilet 3mo agoNet neutrality is about the public infrastructure. This is a private company. I'm not happy with what Anthropic is doing, but it's a very large and obvious difference.
- slim 3mo agowhat if they think your face is too brown to use sota ? (they do, and they will?
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- halJordan 3mo agoIn a roundabout way it's better. In that w/net neutrality isp's & big business got out from under it by promising bare minimums. Without that "head 'em off at the pass" collusion we'll actually stand a chance for things to get so bad legislators have to act.
- epolanski 3mo agoThis is gonna bite the US long term very bad. With the frontier models ban, the rest of the world will just have more reasons to further detach technologically from the US, there's no way big tech, etc, can sustain such capex and valuations on US market alone.
- cyanydeez 3mo agoIsn't that because America has gone full fascist and a lot of white collar people fear the 'permanent underclass' and would rather buy lube than 'resist'
- nicce 3mo ago> It is literally similar to a situation where your ISP would investigate all sites you visit and limit your bandwidth if they don't like the the ones you enter... Same? Multitude of magnitues worse. The amount of data and type that is given here is from different level. ISPs have mostly seen it in encrypted format.
- KaiserPro 3mo agoTHe reason why its not being talked about like net neutrality is because there aren't large companies with a vested interested interest in changing the status quo Net neutrality was about Google/netflix/etc not wanting to pay for transit to verizon/AT&T/etc Same with the copyright reforms, new, richer internet companies (at the time) wanted to avoid paying feesto copyright owners. The morality of these campaigns are out of scope, the point is, ID checks align with the new money.
- DarkVanilla 3mo ago> Net neutrality was about Google/netflix/etc not wanting to pay for transit to verizon/AT&T/etc That is the dishonest spin put forward by the "last-mile" ISP providers. The ISPs were already being paid by their customers in order to access the internet, but they wanted to leverage their natural monopolies in order to be paid twice, by whoever their customers were connecting to. Famously, the ISPs went as far as artificially throttling traffic in order to extort payments[1]. Framing this as a battle instigated by google and netfix is also the opposite of the truth. It was the ISP monopolies who brought this fight; not the internet companies. The battle was actually instigated by one of the last-mile ISPs, Verizon, suing the FCC. > not wanting to pay for transit to verizon/AT&T/etc If anyone was going to pay for "transit to" the last mile ISPs, they would actually be paying backbone companies like L3, because those are the ones that actually move traffic across the internet. [1] the throttling typically took the form of throttling certain backbone connections, so that no one would be able to prove they targeted Netflix specifically
- miki123211 3mo agoWhy aren't we talking about bank neutrality?
- slashdave 3mo agoISPs are legally protected. AI companies are not.
- usernamed7 3mo agoLet us hope this only accelerates the proliferation of local models
- forgetfreeman 3mo agoThere is the undocumented 3rd option of simply shrugging and moving on without LLMs, you know, business as usual.
- jckahn 3mo agoThat's not the option most are going to take.
- forgetfreeman 3mo agoshrug Not really a me problem, but I'd counsel taking an afternoon to reflect on what part of any of this is actually inevitable. You know, maybe come up for air for a minute and examine the industry hype from 30,000 ft.
- baq 3mo agoThat ship has sailed. Even if you never even tab complete in cursor, if you don’t let LLMs review your code you’re very, very behind unless you’re in a deeply specialized domain which doesn’t have any public training data available. Anything remotely public and you’re just outpaced.
- JimDabell 3mo agoOpenAI also has this kind of check. What is especially bad is that if you fail the verification process, they won’t let you retry – you are permanently locked out from the top models. They aren’t clear about this upfront during the process, so make sure the lighting is good when you scan your ID! https://help.openai.com/en/articles/10910291-api-organization-verification https://help.openai.com/en/articles/10910291-api-organizatio...
- inigyou 3mo agoOr make a new account?
- tartoran 3mo agoYou risk being silenly flagged and get nerfed responses. Somehting like shadow dumbed down.
- stingraycharles 3mo agoThat’s quite a claim. What’s your source for this?
- 0123456789ABCDE 3mo agoFable's model card provides the following as a relevant reference https://xcancel.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2064949876463645026 https://xcancel.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2064949876463645026
- stingraycharles 3mo agoThat’s totally unrelated. The post I was replying to claimed that if you create a new account with OpenAI and that gets detected, your whole account gets silently “nerfed”. That is not in any way related to Fable (visibly) being switched to a less strong model if you’re trying to discuss certain topics.
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- da_grift_shift 3mo agoWorth noting that posting LLM-generated comments violates the HN guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079 https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated (Detractors: I encourage you to turn "showdead" on in your HN settings and view its other comments before you jump to defense!)
- badgersnake 3mo agoHow does a company verify its age?
- inigyou 3mo agoDoesn't say anything about age.
- idoxer 3mo agoIt does at the end of the article, under 18 will be banned
- loloquwowndueo 3mo agoProbably easier than with a person. A company has incorporation documents which exist in an already-verified public registry and have dates and other information.
- Razengan 3mo agoHow does a dark lord born before the beginning of time verify its age?
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- da_grift_shift 3mo agoThis particular IDV flow will be used with consumer Claude web accounts only. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48619003 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48619003
- Artoooooor 3mo agoEvery time I consider renting a service from Anthropic, they drop such bomb. Full capability with pre-agreed price per token and no ID verification. That's what I demand.
- alden5 3mo agoI love openrouter for this, I just put in $20 and i’m able to chat with almost every model out right now or plug their api into any ide that supports openai api requests. I use llm’s off and on and it’s nice not worrying if i’m getting my use out of a subscription. just note that claude subscriptions can be a lot more cost effective vs paying per token if you’re a power user.
- Rooster61 3mo agoI really don't like that headlines have been surfacing about the US government putting pressure on Anthropic, and now a short time later they are requiring ID's (albeit for certain use cases, but that's a slippery slope). I may very well stop using Claude due to this. Also, who is providing the verification service? We don't want another Discord situation. EDIT: Just saw it's Persona. Definitely dropping Claude now.
- HarHarVeryFunny 3mo agoI suspect this new Anthropic requirement is coming from their ongoing negotiations with the government to re-enable Fable. Whatever "safety/security" measures the government requires of Anthropic will no doubt also be applied to other US "AI providers", perhaps based on assessed model capability. Apparently OpenAI already had an ID check in place before this. What's going to be interesting is how the US government regulates US-based access to Chinese AI models, whether served domestically (e.g. GLM-5.2 from Amazon Bedrock, DeepInfra, etc), or from overseas. I suppose if one fear is US domestic terrorists/hackers using AI, then restricting access to all models, regardless of country of origin, might make sense, but as far as restricting technology exports over national security concerns it wouldn't make much sense to restrict access to foreign models! Crudely applied restrictions are likely to get worse before they potentially get better as the hype wears down and AI risk gets better assessed, but government control tends to be a one-way ratcheting up, so who knows. It's not inconceivable that the government may try to restrict use of local models too, which they could do by making it illegal to make open weights (maybe for selected models) available for download.
- anon373839 3mo ago> suspect this new Anthropic requirement is coming from their ongoing negotiations with the government I would have put “negotiations” in scare quotes. Who reported the Fable jailbreak to the government? Anthropic’s biggest shareholder. Who is now sitting at the table designing the “benchmarks” that will dictate what other model builders will be allowed to deploy? Anthropic. Who is also in talks with the government about a bailout? Also Anthropic. I just can’t take any of this at face value because that’s preposterous.
- I_am_tiberius 3mo agoI just hope there's huge protest. I hope people just cancel the subscription. I fear people will just accept the terms. The result will be a kill switch for the US government and a clean distinction between national and foreign users so spying will become legal. Surely Anthropic hasn't allowed the NSA connect so far, - openai clearly did (see their board members).
- macic 3mo agoVery disappointing that they went with Persona, the company whose CEO regularly argues with people on Twitter and lies about their arguments.
- dofm 3mo agoThen again they are renting data centre space from SpaceX, so there's a pattern.
- consumer451 3mo agoPrevious discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47775633 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47775633 - 67 days ago, 100 comments As mentioned in that thread, Persona as the provider is a bit surprising and problematic. Discord dropped them after user backlash.
- RaSoJo 3mo agoI agree. Given the very recent Discord pullback, this feels forced upon Anthropic. I suspect that Anthropic had to select from a set of government approved ID verifiers. Considering Thiel's clout in the current govt's inner circle...3 out of the 4 choices would have been duds. Leaving the 4th as Persona, the only viable option
- EmbarrassedHelp 3mo agoAny sort of identity/age verification here is problematic and unacceptable.
- egorfine 3mo ago> a bit surprising and problematic Not it's not. Evil companies like to do business together.
- rvz 3mo agoNo surprise. Anthropic was going to do this anyway just like OpenAI did. Never been a better time to use local models.
- comboy 3mo agoThey all have everyone ID's through payments already..
- polack 3mo agoYes, it’s the biometrics they’re after.
- QuiEgo 3mo agoto play devil's advocate, having a credit card does not tell Anthropic anything about your country of citizenship, which the US is pushing them to gate keep access on.
- dofm 3mo agoYep.
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- dofm 3mo agoThey don't have nationality, I guess? Just card issuer origin and payment origin.
- jacomoRodriguez 3mo agoJust canceled my subscription. I don't want my id data end up with persona and/or the us gov.
- furyofantares 3mo agoWouldn't want the government to have your government-issued ID. I have no idea about Persona though.
- tumdum_ 3mo agoI know that this may sound surprising, but US is not the only country in the world ;)
- woadwarrior01 3mo agor/USdefaultism :)
- Cider9986 3mo agoThis isn't reddit that doesn't work...
- furyofantares 3mo agoMy assumption was more that this is about getting set up to provide access to Fable to US citizens. I could be mistaken in that regard.
- jacomoRodriguez 3mo agoIt probably is. But I don't trust personas funders (and the US gov, btw) to only use this data in this regard.
- furyofantares 3mo agoWell, if it's (at the moment) only for verifying US citizenship for access to Fable then giving them your non-US ID won't do anything for you.
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- RaSoJo 3mo agoIs there any info on what these "certain capabilities" are?
- 0123456789ABCDE 3mo agolikely mythos class models at first, but i wouldn't put it past them to expand that to the cyber verification program, or similar
- verdverm 3mo agoOn the path to the rich and powerful deciding who does and does not get access to which ai models...
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- Razengan 3mo agoFuck.. How did y'all in the Land of the Free let it get this way
- WhrRTheBaboons 3mo agoby continuing down the road they have been going on for ages now
- truthbe 3mo agoCancel and Refund link if anyone is searching https://claude.ai/settings/billing?action=cancel-refund https://claude.ai/settings/billing?action=cancel-refund
- da_grift_shift 3mo ago[flagged]
- rcgy 3mo agoCan't get a refund if you're not a new subscriber.
- holoduke 3mo agoFor certain capabilities one can use uncensored models which can be found on huggingface. It's perfect for asking on how to create atomic bombs, meth labs, assassination plans, brute force hack scripts and more. You only need one or two h200 cards.
- Overpower0416 3mo agoYeah, not happening. Gonna hope for the open models getting better and staying with what I've got for now.
- alaudet 3mo ago100% the exact second I get some popup telling me to upload documents to continue is when claude pro gets decommissioned.
- realusername 3mo agoSame, I won't upload ID documents for obvious security reasons
- antiframe 3mo agoThat's the reason I don't have an id.me account to check my IRS account. I just use their guest login to play my tax bill quarterly. Not sure how I will pay my taxes once they nix that.
- fortran77 3mo agoWhere are these "certain capabilities" documentes?
- alaudet 3mo agohttps://privacy.claude.com/en/articles/10301952-updates-to-our-privacy-policy https://privacy.claude.com/en/articles/10301952-updates-to-o... "These updates apply only to consumer accounts (Claude Free, Pro, and Max plans)."
- verdverm 3mo agoI'm very curious how they are going to handle enterprise accounts with mixed nationality / geography. In particular, what about an agent that runs in the cloud and triggers on events, built by a team with mixed people.
- jjice 3mo agoI mean, this feels exactly what had to happen after their announcement with Fable being restricted by the US government since the requirement is that they need to know you're a US citizen. You can argue this is Anthropic's fault due to their Mythos/Fable fear mongering, but at the end of the day this is a requirement by the US government to use this (and likely future models). I expect to see this repeatedly with new powerful models from all providers. Best I can do is root for local models (already was), but I'll keep my Anthropic subscription for their "lesser" models without an ID (for now).
- fidotron 3mo agoOne dimension of this which isn't discussed enough is this opens the road to inference providers silently discriminating against different users who will remain oblivious to what's going on. i.e. if you "fail" ID verification it's actually good that they tell you as opposed to serving you a malicious model instead.
- aqua_coder 3mo agoThis might seem unrelated but on one of my free accounts. I tried to make Claude do some historical fact checking on the inter-war period of the USSR. The point isn't if it is true or not, but it felt like it would help quite a lot to see what the sources Claude finds says about the both sides of the picture and I was curious at some point. Funnily enough, a day after this my account got banned under the pretext that I was a child using Claude and that I would need to verify my account. The age verifier said that it doesn't store my photos or anything. It gets cheeky though and indirectly it says it doesn't store what I upload but sends it to third parties that do store and sell it. Its like saying I won't steal your money, but I will give it to the thief right over there for free. Now the flagging might be entirely coincidental, but I just exported my chats and just never went on with the intention to re verify my account (since it is a free one basically and there is no incentive for me to do so). Weirdly enough, I started to see my past chat history that I exported to check and see if there is any correlation between how I talked and if there might have been some instances in which the system might attribute said message as what a young person would say. Though from the looks of it, it didn't give any of that sort of vibe.
- halJordan 3mo agoThat's the problem with all these heuristics i guess. No one but phd historians and kids writing essays research inter-war Soviet history. Which is of course false, but you can imagine that's what the heuristics say is true 90% of the time. We're gonna lose quite a long tail of interests and hobbies when the llms take over
- Amir6 3mo agoI’ve been waiting for days for an appeal decision on a suspension that I have zero clue on why it happened! I’m trying very hard not to hate Anthropic right now! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48597861 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48597861
- christoph 3mo agoIt’s all over the place. A UK bank i’d been with 7+ years for a business savings account suddenly started demanding ID or they would “limit” access (lock my money up until I dance to their tune). They already have all this. My identity nor address have changed in 15 years. The account is super low activity savings. Zero possible red flags. The verification process started out as “just a photo of my driving licence” - turned out to be a video recording of my whole environment with no obvious previous mention or disclaimer of this. Then the requirement for a “quick selfie” suddenly appeared (pretends to be a photo but is full video again), I complied up until the “do you want your data processed by AI or the lowest bid in India?” I noped out there, moved all the cash straight out (6 figures) and closed the account. They are now on my personal “blacklist”. Opened a new building society account, which is all paper based for ID. I shall be opening many more such building society accounts that only deal in paper for ID purposes in the coming weeks.
- gib444 3mo agoOver a £100k with a techbro fintech that isn't even a bank. My friend, you're a gambler!
- Amir6 3mo agoI especially hate it when there is absolutely zero recourse! In some cases you can go to the competition and in some you have no other option because some aspects of the service is setup as a monopoly or high friction exit process. I’m personally against any black box decision making that would disrupt someone’s life in any way.
- johneth 3mo agoOut of pure curiosity, which UK bank was it?
- spprashant 3mo agoYes the era of the no-fly list is coming to AI.
- greatgib 3mo agoSo convenient so that the day that you go to visit USA or Trump has a grief against you, we can immediately identify your accounts and inspect all your life!
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- I_am_tiberius 3mo agoWhy would you need to do so?
- handoflixue 3mo agoI mean, the easiest starting step would be: Identity Verification via the methods Discord switched to after realizing Persona was horrible. Much more ideally, some sort of government-ran zero-proof service where Anthropic can confirm solely that you are a valid US Citizen without Anthropic gaining enough PII to link my account to a particular legal identity (these already exist) Of course, if your adversary can't just buy a dozen US Citizens, they're not really much of a threat to begin with... (there are lots of ways to buy people: explicit bribes, people of questionable loyalty, scam them, or just hack into a dormant account with an annual subscription)
- rzk 3mo ago> How are we verifying? > We selected Persona Identities as our verification partner See this related thread regarding Persona: OpenAI, the US government and Persona built an identity surveillance machine - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47140632 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47140632 - Feb 2026 (206 comments)
- gcanyon 3mo agoIf this is what it takes to get access to Fable I'll be sad, but go along with it. Fable was (at least in my testing) remarkably good.
- nullbio 3mo agoThis is why they do these things - because people just "go along with it."
- preg_match 3mo agoIt’s a foundational problem of how the US economy is structured. As a consumer, your power and leverage will always be at a minimum. This is why a strong democracy matters so much in capitalist nations, and why the US has been struggling for the past 25 years with that.
- airhangerf15 3mo agoYou could go back to using your brain to code instead. My company pays for Claude, but we're on personal plans linked to corporate e-mail and company credit cards. If they require this from me, I'll ask my boss just to cancel or switch us to a business plan. I do use it more these days, and it has helped me get a lot of grunt work out of the way, but I do noticeably realize it's killing my cognitive software engineering abilities. It bothers me at many levels right now.
- jauntywundrkind 3mo agoSo like 36 days after most people signed up for an account to try Fable. Bother.
- general1465 3mo agoThis further confirms that self hosted LLM are the future. Today it is ID verification, tomorrow it will be only for US citizens and day after tomorrow only for US citizens who can get "Secret" clearance.
- dang 3mo ago(Submitted URL was https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1ubm53n/official_anthropic_to_require_identity/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1ubm53n/official_... - we changed that to what looks like the original source, but put the Reddit link in the toptext for context.)
- 827a 3mo agoIts a very well known fact that all of our geopolitical adversaries have sophisticated fake American ID markets. This doesn't stop any of the most dangerous adversaries from getting access to systems protected by this technology. DeepSeek is going to go buy 20,000 fake IDs for their fake distillation accounts and keep on keeping on. This just hurts normal people, Americans and non-Americans, who might struggle to authenticate or be disallowed because of their place of birth. Pointless CYA, and beneath a research group whose intention is to invent the machine god.
- samename 3mo agoThank you. This is an expansion of surveillance. Most concerning to me is how few people understand government's access to this data. People treat AI like a diary, and the government can request that data at anytime.
- christoph 3mo agoIndeed - Persona is backed by Founders Fund - also linked to lovely companies like Palantir, Flock & Anduril. Some people still (claim they) can’t see the massive dragnet swirling around all of society right now.
- preg_match 3mo agoIt’s especially frustrating with Anthropic because we’ve known about issues with Persona for a while now, with discord. But anthropic leadership I guess is like any company leadership - stupid, blind, and lazy. Just go with the vendor whose name you know. Anthropic could have EASILY made an in-house solution with < 100 employees. But no, they have to make the same mistakes that behemoths like IBM and Oracle make. Y’all haven’t even IPO’d yet and we’re already entering the “sleepwalk to your grave” phase of the corporate cycle.
- gojibary 3mo agoIn-house would almost certainly mean future prosecution by the US. Using a company connected to Palantir means any employee of the US government that wants to keep their job won't ask questions.
- cute_boi 3mo ago> We are not collecting more than we need. We ask for the minimum information required to verify your identity. You say this today, but your claude app is full of hidden telemetries and fingerprint identification. How can we trust you?
- data-ottawa 3mo agoThe US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never be able to access, while other models are able to catch up. Adding US based identity verification through Persona is also incredibly off-putting. I think it's sufficient to kill my use of Claude altogether. So the question I have to live with is what do I do instead. I installed Mistral Vibe last week and I've been experimenting with offloading work to it. I won't pretend that Mistral-medium is close to state of the art. It isn't. It still writes incorrect tool calls. From the last week about 50% of my LLM tasks actually reduced to "take this work and write about it" and Mistral excels there -- it definitely beats Opus at writing. Mistral nails it, and when it doesn't its so fast to iterate. There's another say 30% of tasks that's writing queries against a data warehouse. I updated my semantic layer MCPs and Vibe uses them, but it struggles with ambiguity here. It's not a replacement, it's maybe where Opus was a year ago. The rest of my work involves writing code. That's going to be harder to replace for now. My next step is exploring OpenRouter and other models. I can't decide if I was ever actually happy with Opus's work on this front though -- the understanding tradeoffs when you trust LLMs with decisions stack non-linearly and negatively. I did like Fable on these tasks, I won't lie, I will miss it, but not by any choice of my own.
- azinman2 3mo ago> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. That’s totally unclear. Things are changing fast. No statement from god or potus has come down about the future of LLMs and who can access what. And for what it’s worth, I’m not able to access fable and I’m a US citizen.
- wouldbecouldbe 3mo agoThat's the implied suggestion from the verification that they can prove to only share it with US citizens
- antimony51 3mo ago[dead]
- zwaps 3mo agoOh no that’s terrible. They even say the data is used by the external company to train and use however. Shit now i have to cancel my account
- padjo 3mo agoNot a chance i'll be handing my id over to Persons. So what are the alternatives for AI coding these days?
- slopinthebag 3mo agoA combination of GLM 5.2 for deep tasks, and Deepseek 4 pro/flash for speed. Even Deepseek 4 pro is so fast you can quickly iterate by breaking down tasks into small chunks and steering it. I prefer that over the classic "here is an entire spec, chew on it for 30 mins" thing you would do with Opus/Fable.
- throwaw12 3mo agoI hope EU bans US models and adopts Chinese models, since US models seems to be a clear threat to EU sovereignty, while Chinese models can be deployed anywhere
- maxprimes 3mo agoYeah that'll be a pass for me.
- labrador 3mo agoID verification might be a path to allow restricted access to Fable (doesn't mention nationality yet), but I concluded I don't need Fable, which excels more at technical work, because I do therapy/recovery/lifecoach work which Opus is good at. I'm retired and need personal "executive function" type assistance.
- SXX 3mo agoExcept its like completely useless and insane from security standpoint. Any bad actor will just pay $50 to a meth junkie to register and verify account. Fortunatelly its all just secuiry theatre so no one cares.
- photios 3mo agoI love this. GLM, Kimi, and DeepSeek await :D
- othmanosx 3mo agoJust run the /insights command on your Claude and see what it gives you, you'd be shocked what it knows about you just talking to it.
- blitzar 3mo agoJeez it cant remember to use uv every time it runs python (dozens of times a day) but the one time I said "at least lube it up before you shaft me" it noted my preference in its /insights.
- ur-whale 3mo agoOne more item to tack on to the already very long list of "why you should run AI models on your own hardware".
- oceanwaves 3mo agoI wonder how this will work for third-party providers' enterprise customers. E.g. Vertex, Bedrock
- AnotherGoodName 3mo agoFrom that thread. >The OP post is misinformation. The policy page has been unchanged since April 16 (including the words Updated this week) and has to do with verifying if you're an adult if they suspect the account is used by an under 18, which we all already know Anthropic is doing. https://web.archive.org/web/20260416010409/https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14328960-identity-verification-on-claude https://web.archive.org/web/20260416010409/https://support.c... So this isn't new right?
- nightshift1 3mo agoWhen i tried to upgrade from 5x to 20x a few months ago, they froze my account until i sent them a full 3d scan of my face and a photo of my id. The only way i could deny was to cancel my account. So this is nothing new for them.
- surume 3mo agoPlease God let a model or company as capable as Claude/Anthropic come along soon that doesnt require ID so that we don’t all end up as uncreative mind slaves.
- gravity2060 3mo agoOne of my frustrations with this is for those of us who allow our under-18 year old children access to our account. If we want our kids to code with ai-assist, my read of the “ban-if-under-18” means I risk my indispensable pro account by giving my kids claude code on their laptops now. Is this a correct reading?
- unshavedyak 3mo agoI wouldn’t let anyone else use it in general because it’s an asset i don’t want to lose. As it is I now have to be careful what I use it for as I don’t want to trip any flags. Eg today I was curious how some LLM benchmarks worked and I wanted to talk through how I’d develop some, running some models locally, etc. however I don’t want to be flagged as a potential competitor and have my account revoked from Fable/etc. It’s feeling quite similar to why I distributed out from google all those years ago. I didn’t want a hugely important centralized google account to be banned and cause friction to various aspects of my life. The ability for LLMs to more easily catalogue user behavior and intent is going to get more interesting. Weird days. Feels like anyone could become a Facebook level metadata hoarder.
- zarzavat 3mo agoSwitch to open models and restore your sanity. GLM 5.2 is only slightly behind. Paying money but living in fear regardless is silly.
- tamimio 3mo agoI don’t know since when it became acceptable and normalized to provide government ID to some corporate, and your data are under the mercy of a random employee, manager, revised policy, or predator investors? No, never. I only provide my government ID to the government that I voted for, or I can hold it accountable if anything goes wrong.
- dpkirchner 3mo agoI wonder if they've deployed Mythos' pen testing against Persona?
- SXX 3mo agoNot much pen testing you can do if they decide to cut you off. E.g on Linkedin it only works with NFC-enabled passports so it cryprographically signed by issuer country. Though considering how many americans dont have passports its will be like shooting themself in a foot.
- zaptheimpaler 3mo agoAI is weapons now. Need a gun license to buy and operate pistols (Opus), assault rifles (Fable) will be highly limited, even higher tiers of weapons will only be accessible by corporate and state-level actors - we might not even know they exist or what they're capable of. Democratization of AI is dead. Gen pop is completely asleep to all of this so its going to get locked down in the name of safety before anyone even wakes up.
- zb3 3mo agoIn the US, guns are apparently safer than Anthropic AI models :)
- userbinator 3mo agoFortunately the 2nd Amendment exists.
- rzerowan 3mo agoHow does this play aout in the current realm of ID verifiation laws sweeping across most of the EU and US. As usual is using 'protect the children' : UK,AuS, FR for social media and Operating Systems while also pushing 'national security' : this current iteration. End result seems to be total end of online anonymity while the data slurpers and data brokers continue plying their trade uninterrupted.
- dwa3592 3mo agoI downgraded from Max to Pro about a month ago. Time to downgrade from Pro to No.
- dwa3592 3mo agoAre they paying Persona identities in Haiku credits? Is that why they chose them? It was only 4 months ago that company was dropped by discord.
- mounz 3mo agoThis make me think that we will have Fable back tomorrow and gpt 5.6 or 6 announcement not long after
- chickensong 3mo agoOh good, uploading your ID and selfie to the much-hated Persona. What could possibly go wrong?
- monksy 3mo agohttps://www.zyphe.com/resources/blog/persona-discord-centralised-identity-verification-incident https://www.zyphe.com/resources/blog/persona-discord-central...
- chickensong 3mo agoDon't worry, they take security and privacy very seriously and have reviewed and updated their procedures to ensure your data is only shared with trusted partners.
- tiahura 3mo agoSo like the 10,000th breach where we still can’t find anyone suffering any sort of actual harm? Seems like the old Linux FUD to me.
- skywhopper 3mo agoIt will never stop amusing me that an expired ID is invalid for verification. How does that negate my identity? Particularly my age.
- dofm 3mo agoIsn't it because expired IDs drop out of validation databases, fundamentally? So an expired ID is not verifiable in the same way a fake one isn't.
- dev1ycan 3mo agoGood luck getting me to use software that requires me to upload an id
- redbell 3mo ago> We are rolling out identity verification for a few use cases, and you might see a verification prompt when accessing certain capabilities, as part of our routine platform integrity checks, or other safety and compliance measures. I'd like to know what capabilities/features/plans that need ID verification as it is unclear for me right now. Also, this would become a true barrier in the future if they apply this for every account regardless of the features being used. > We selected Persona Identities as our verification partner based on the strength of their technology, privacy controls, and security safeguards Since I read I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47098245 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47098245), I, somehow, start feeling very uncomfortable with ID verification as it appears there are actually many players processing my personal data, not just Persona.
- phendrenad2 3mo agoThis is an old page that pre-dates the Fable situation. Seems people only discovered it recently though. Edit: oh, just saw the previous discussion on HN from 2 mo ago
- dom96 3mo agoI don't mind this, what I do mind is that there is still no way to verify my identity without giving private information to third parties. Why aren't governments building zero knowledge proof-based solutions to this?
- dofm 3mo agoIs exactly the question. Maybe this will actually make that happen. (I believe some EU countries do have digital attestation tools?)
- chickensong 3mo agoBecause governments are notoriously inept and corrupt. I think it's bound to happen eventually (though probably not ZKP), but I'm not holding my breath.
- dofm 3mo agoOhhh Emm Gee, the HN singularity has arrived. chuckling in slightly mischievous British Jeez, Persona though. Couldn't they have got Fable to write them something of their own?
- chickensong 3mo agoWhy assume any responsibility when you can just outsource and shrug/blame the 3rd-party when they get breached.
- dofm 3mo agoI have just read that OpenAI are also using Persona? So maybe Persona has developed tools for this specific form of eligibility check?
- chickensong 3mo agoYes, those tools are to collect a real-time selfie and photo of your government-issued ID, store it insecurely, feed it into some other 3rd-party networks to profile you, and share with their trusted partners for reasons.
- bnj 3mo ago> We are not collecting more than we need Why does anthropic need more than a credit card for paying subscribers?
- dofm 3mo agoIssuer country is not a very good proxy for nationality, I suppose.
- bnj 3mo agoWouldn't this also be true of government issued ID's? There's nothing preventing a non-US national from having a drivers license... Maybe I just don't understand the definitions?
- dofm 3mo agoI am working on the assumption that the ID is used to check against some database or other via some state-provided route.
- nailer 3mo ago> you may be asked to take a live selfie with your phone They've been generating these with AI since 2023 (and likely earlier, but that's the first time I heard it being used in the wild). Photo ID is a real person (your hotel maid took photos) iPhone headroll is generated to match the real photo ID with AI.
- zeafoamrun 3mo agoMaybe the double taxation is worth it if I can get access to frontier models. Just wish the US had a lite subscription.
- aftbit 3mo agoHow long can they retain my identity information? I didn't see an answer to that in the post - did I just miss it, or are they being purposefully obtuse?
- g42gregory 3mo agoI am not sure what is the purpose of this. If you are paying with a credit card, they already have your fully verified identity through the bank's KYC, fully protecting Anthropic legally. Corporate accounts, in the US, will have full personal identification through the corresponding company's HR.
- qezz 3mo agoIn the light of recent events, and if things continue to be the same as they are now with Fable, I think they will give access to Fable for those who are willing to share their documents with them. But that's obviously just a speculation.
- SV_BubbleTime 3mo agoWell… maybe the real thing isn’t the headline thing?
- itake 3mo agoPrepaid credit cards with cash would not be linked to your identity.
- jbverschoor 3mo ago> How your data is protected It's not
- monksy 3mo agoHard no on this. I'll stick with the Chinese models. They don't behave this poorly.
- g42gregory 3mo agoHere is what I think it the game is: 1. Force KYC is US LLM providers, gleefully supported by the US LLM providers. 2. Next -> now Chinese LLM providers must use KYC in the "free market" Western world. 3. But we can's allow KYC information to go to China, can we? 4. Now Western customers can not access Chinese LLM 5. Prices go up 10x to $2,000+/month. Anthropic/OpenAI are happy.
- jimmydoe 3mo agothis is ridiculous. there are tons of US providers supports Chinese models. Chinese labs give them weights, they don't give back user info in return.
- miki123211 3mo ago5. Chinese providers license their models to western partners, with the Chinese running training and the westerners running inference. It's what most western companies have to do when they want to operate in China anyway, no reason why we couldn't have a reverse system.
- g42gregory 3mo agoI hope you're right.
- kingkongjaffa 3mo agoSince the end is near does anyone have a claude data export flow/tool they have used? I have claude projects, skills, etc. I'd want copies of before deleting my account.
- jimmydoe 3mo agoffs do it and give me fable.
- petre 3mo agoPersona? Photo id? Heh, good luck, I'm not touching it with a 10ft pole.
- octagons 3mo agoI’ve only seen vague suggestions of what is actually being gated through this verification. Is there a more definitive explanation of what will require the verification? Either way, the moment I encounter this, I’ll be canceling. It’s a complete deal breaker.
- _bobm 3mo agoI find it funny that some comments are arguing why "the innocent users have to fall victims, becoming/ being collateral damage" to this american governmental whim and thus being deprived of access to these models. But hold on, collateral to what? Is this "our own personal jesus" access that we cannot live without or what? People don't and cannot learn how to code or what? We don't know how to think? I am calling their bluff. Fill your own gddam datacenters with "meaning". Panta rei.
- p0w3n3d 3mo agoA phone or a computer with a camera: you may be asked to take a live selfie with your phone, or your webcam A blood probe might be required as usb dongle to test your blood sample. We're working on stool sampling mechanism as well. Your house might be monitored with one or more armed drones to prevent any tampering with your WiFi and cable connection
- userbinator 3mo agoThis is the next "drink verification can".
- p0w3n3d 3mo agoTIL verification can was invented and today's gaming state was predicted 13years ago
- dvduval 3mo agoSo when the FBI comes to Claude, it will be that much easier now to track down exactly how they have been using the LLM. Maybe a political candidate for the opposing party has something embarrassing there for example.
- georgemcbay 3mo ago> So when the FBI comes to Claude, it will be that much easier now to track down exactly how they have been using the LLM This should definitely be a concern for any Claude user, especially given the open corruption of the current US administration. If that alone doesn't concern you, everyone should also remember that Anthropic has accidentally released their own source code multiple times at this point. Why should anyone believe they are going to handle your personal data with any more care than their own?
- yreg 3mo agoIsnt your account linked to your bank card anyway? The problem is storing the chat logs.
- jchw 3mo agolol, absolutely not.
- dsign 3mo ago> Verification data stays between you, Persona, and Anthropic, except where we're legally required to respond to valid legal processes. That, in conventional meaning, means an ongoing judicial investigation. But "valid legal process" very plausibly means as well "this legal order we secretly received from a branch of the government that means we shall build a dossier of every foreigner using our service and share it with the agencies". And honestly, after other recent news from Anthropic and its "lively" relationship with the concentration-camp-building-current-administration, I dread handing over id documents to them. If I see the prompt, I'll close my account and use one of the many alternatives.
- kylehotchkiss 3mo agoSubpoena by ID, nice and easy
- sinker 3mo agoCancelled. Anthropic can get bent if it wants to market itself as the ethical AI choice and at the same time lies in bed with those openly pushing for a surveillance state.
- IAmGraydon 3mo agoAgreed, this is crazy, and is exactly why the administration did what it did. However, every frontier model will require this within months.
- sinker 3mo agoYou're right. I want to say that openai is a viable alternative, but they're even less trustworthy. It might be time for me to start looking into Chinese models or purchasing hardware for local llms, even if the cost amounts to 5-10k.
- ai_fry_ur_brain 3mo agoFor 15k you could run the best open source models (that would require 200k in hardware to run) 24/7 at 50 tps for like 5 years straight. Im really not sure why anyone would spend 15k to run local llms. The models you'll be able to run (70b) param models will be incredibly underwhelming.
- choo-t 3mo ago> For 15k you could run the best open source models (that would require 200k in hardware to run) 24/7 at 50 tps for like 5 years straight. Is this assuming no price increase and no throttling ?
- jerry4next 3mo agoI canceled when they first labeled as a supply chain risk. Switched to codex and neverlooked back. This company will be more evil then Google at the end.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 3mo agoMost importantly, they state "We [Antrhopic] are not using your identity data to train our models" but "Persona [...] can use your data [...] to improve their ability to prevent fraud." -- in other words, Persona can (and will) use your data to train their models.
- btown 3mo agoNotably, though, Persona does not have access to your Claude interactions, other than your signup/verification date. They’ll train on your uploaded docs and photos, to be sure, but it won’t be correlated to your chats and projects, unless Anthropic is doing things that would make their counsel have heart attacks.
- fragmede 3mo ago> They’ll train on your uploaded docs and photos, to be sure Or they won't. They're not Facebook.
- atmosx 3mo ago> They’ll train on your uploaded docs and photos, to be sure, but it won’t be correlated to your chats and projects, unless Anthropic is doing things that would make their counsel have heart attacks. And if they do, they'll apologize with a blog post.
- appplication 3mo agoMaybe I’m entirely uncreative here, but if all they have is identity data and the implied data of having triggered a verification event, it feels like at best anything trained on this is really sketchy and could lead to some really messed up analysis. Like “we determined brown people trigger perform Claude queries that trigger identify verification at a rate 70% higher than white people”.
- _heimdall 3mo agoThey would have access to IDs and whatever photos or real time video/audio is requires to verify. That's a big step towards building quite a large dataset for ID systems used for surveillance, for example. There's also always the risk of not knowing who gets those documents later. The Dutch didn't think much of keeping detailed records including religious affiliation until the Nazis rolled into town. LLM use is obviously much less politically charged today than religion was then (or ever), but that can always change, especially when an administration has already attacked said LLM provider as being something along the lines of a dangerous enemy of the state.
- llm_nerd 3mo agoWhile this seems related to recent events, this page has been there for months. They have used it when they think an account is underage. We talked about this previously : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47775633 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47775633
- neosat 3mo agoAnthropic is really on a tricky path here. When you have had runaway success due to a hit it is easy to believe that it is the natural way of things. However, that happened due to unique convergence of tech paradigm shift, the competitive landscape, and how they were positioned to capture that value through claude code. They somehow conflate their value with 'safety'. While it's an admirable internal quality for the company to have, their treatment of their user base (developers, users) has been bordering on indifference and their stance bordering on arrogance. As competition heats up, there is a very real chance of them shooting themselves in the foot with friction such as this (to be fair not completely in their control but also they had their share of responsibility that led to this)
- Wowfunhappy 3mo ago> They somehow conflate their value with 'safety'. ...I don't think this is, like, a choice available to Anthropic. Their idea of AI safety—in the very specific "an unaligned AI could kill everyone" sense—is Anthropic's entire reason for existence. It's how they've attracted AI researchers, which in turn is probably why they have the best models right now. (I really do think they have the best models, although I can't prove it because LLM benchmarks don't work. They're certainly very good.) I have no idea what the top executives truly believe, but regardless of whether their messaging is sincere, it's likely for their employees as much as the rest of us.
- BoredPositron 3mo agoIt's annoying but ok in general to verify age of your users. The problem for me is mainly how and what vendor they use. They picked the worst possibilities.
- randomuser558 3mo ago[dead]
- Alien1Being 3mo agoThis is a big win for LLMs from China and to a much lesser extent from Europe. I expect Europe to meekly follow the example of their American overlords,the way they generally do.
- jasonvorhe 3mo agoNot gonna happen. I'll just just more of the Chinese models then. Digital I'd is a clear no from me.
- SXX 3mo agoCome on guys, just give your ID, passport data and photo (since it scans NFC) to Persona. After all Peter Thiel is the most trustworthy supplier of tech in US used to kill people using drones with AI including face recognition. Nothing bad will ever happen, Anthropic gives you pinky promise. You are not woke terrorist arent you?
- kylehotchkiss 3mo agoOn the bright side maybe less people will use AI as a therapist if every thought they dump into it is now associated to their ID and home address
- airhangerf15 3mo agoIt's really not a huge jump for your prompts to lead to an arrest for wrong think with this model. Europe may even require it if someone asks about the 6 million.
- SilverElfin 3mo ago> Being responsible with powerful technology starts with knowing who is using it. What a disgusting gaslighting corporate speak. Anthropic really has blown all trust in these last two weeks. AI is all about information and therefore about speech. If you need to identify yourself to access information or ask questions, it undermines freedom. Anthropic is on the wrong side of history.
- sebiw 3mo agoMacBook Pro M5 Max, 128GB RAM + oMLX|LM Studio|Llama.cpp|etc. + Opencode|etc. + Models from DeepSeek|Qwen|Google. There are alternatives to centralized, cloud-based LLMs!
- hmate9 3mo agoNot defending this, and it's far from ideal, but also credit card details were already pretty much confirming identities already.
- fithisux 3mo agoThe coding capabilities they offer, are their own. This is the bottom line. Even if they trained on public data. We knew that from the start.
- phreack 3mo agoMakes one ponder how there really is no moat. If this rolls out as implied, it is immediately easy to switch providers, and I will.
- nickandbro 3mo agoI understand how this can be incredibly frustrating to non-US users or people who would like to remain anonymous. But from an enforcement perspective makes sense. If someone is able to leverage a jail break to break into a classified system, the government needs to easily be able to track down who that person is.
- spiffistan 3mo agoYou can make that silly argument to justify almost any government overreach
- dgellow 3mo agoThey already have an identity based on payment method…
- ares623 3mo agoOnce again I just can't help but laugh at how my fellow engineers coddle AI. "Hey, maybe social media shouldn't be made available to children. Let's add some age checks maybe?" "Reee noo that's invasion of privacy it's a slippery slope" "Hey, my totally really, totally dangerous model, is too dangerous for adults. Let's add some checks maybe?" "Oh yes that sounds perfectly reasonable"
- fragmede 3mo agoWho says that's perfectly reasonable? The first thing to ask any new LLM is how do you make cocaine, to figure out how nerfed it is.
- noiv 3mo agoInterestingly Persona offers an attribution process (“verified” or “not verified”) and no data is held. Why does Anthropic want a selfie?
- AtNightWeCode 3mo agoWhy use Persona? Most countries have real services for identifying users. Same services that are used when you pay online or do your taxes. At the end it does not really matter I guess. American cloud services are compromised and can no longer be trusted.
- fizlebit 3mo agoHow is it going to work for corporate customers. What if one us employee writes claude output into a ticket, can that be read by a non us citizen employee? What about paraphrased?
- aucisson_masque 3mo agoAlright, I'm off Claude. That's how you kill people's will to use your product, there are so many competitors. How could they do that ?
- 13415 3mo agoI'm glad I don't use Claude.
- yuzuquat 3mo agoI'm curious how multiple accounts come into play here. Does anyone know?
- maccard 3mo agoSo apparently the UK and Europe are sleepwalking into an identity collection en masse by the state and yet…
- giancarlostoro 3mo agoI am reminded of the time Discords support desk was compromised where hackers had access to the data of anyone who ever had to give their support channels their ID. Are we sure we trust this third party to not be compromised? Is Anthropic allowing non-US citizens access to this data? Are they in countries where they could be bribed over access to this data much like in Discords case? I would not share my ID without understanding all of this.
- Aurornis 3mo agoThis page has been up since April: https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14328960-identity-verification-on-claude https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.c... I see a lot of comments linking this to Fable or implying that the existence of this page is triggering them to cancel. You should know that this help page and their ID process are not new. This page has been up for many months. It gets discussed from time to time, including in past HN posts.
- rabbitlord 3mo agonice to know it!!!
- waterTanuki 3mo agoDid anthropic bar the use of any of their models behind an ID process back in April?
- vopi 3mo agoThe answer seems to be yes [0]. Although I think it's important to state The Web Archive link proves that the recent Fable banning was not the catalyst for the page being linked. Will Fable be back behind an ID verification step? I wouldn't be shocked if that happened. However, this specific support page and the ID veridiction process is not new. It is currently enforce. It appears (but I can't be certain and don't think it's in bad faith) that many people are under the assumption that this is a result of the Fable banning. As a datapoint, I did some form of KYC verification to use OpenAI's cybersecurity platform a few weeks ago. To be clear: I still think this is an important discussion. [0]: https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeCode/comments/1smpjg8/well_ive_been_forbidden_from_using_claude_now/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeCode/comments/1smpjg8/well_iv... Edit: truthbe above pointed out there was a privacy policy change.
- truthbe 3mo agoAnthropic’s -updated- privacy policy allows age and identity checks for Claude consumer users starting July 8th.
- userbinator 3mo agoI wonder how good AI now is at generating plausible-looking identity documents, photos, and videos of a virtual identity...
- lofaszvanitt 3mo agoRidiculous theatre.
- nedt 3mo agoAt the very least I would expect them to support eID for everyone who can and doesn't want their 3rd party. Also much better than take a video of plastic card.
- Aeolun 3mo agoOh, yes, they’ll only have my passport and selfie. I’m sure they couldn’t do anything with those. Seriously, those are probably the most sensitive documents in existence. How is it always the same company doing the verification too?
- hottrends 3mo ago[flagged]
- throwatdem12311 3mo agoAnthropic: we don’t want to be used for mass surveillance Also Anthropic:
- andxor 3mo agoThis page has existed since way before the current Fable controversy. https://x.com/trq212/status/2068793885535694858 https://x.com/trq212/status/2068793885535694858
- _heimdall 3mo ago> Verification data stays between you, Persona, and Anthropic, except where we're legally required to respond to valid legal processes I'm always curious about these stipulations. Its not like Anthropic would have a choice here what the legal demands are, but I don't see a commitment to make all requests as public as they legally can. If the government were to say export controls mean you must share every identity verification attempt with us, it may be a long drawn out battle if Anthropic wanted to deny that's a legal order.
- Havoc 3mo ago>Verification data stays between you, Persona The company that already had a data breach incident & has ties to palantir. Also used by OpenAI to ensure you can't escape it. Now we just need to tie this in with Sam's eyeball scanning tech for maximum dystopia vibes
- TalkingCodeMonk 3mo agoPersona is also a core provider in jurisdications implementing ID laws for social media and other web services. Considering the ties to Palantir and America's mass surveillance apparatus, one could even argue that a primary goal of the admin could be to use the USA's current AI lead to accelerate the adoption of web ID laws, and global push to deanonymize all web traffic.
- yieldcrv 3mo agoI bet z.ai doesn’t even respond to US subpoenas
- claudecheers 3mo agoCurrently going through all my claude web chats and building conversation logs and downloading all my files as well as using the export function. Getting throttled pretty hard now. I have a max20 plan and will be canceling it at the end of my billing cycle. What disappointing news! I was all in until this identity verification requirement. I guess I will have to try out deepseek now.
- neilv 3mo agoI want Anthropic to be the good guys. I think Anthropic should explain why they're doing this particular partnership.
- self_awareness 3mo agoPrepare for hard landing in 3... 2... 1...
- micromacrofoot 3mo agoNo I will not
- kersplody 3mo ago[flagged]
- winterec 3mo agoMy email address in Claude contains my full name. I pay it with a bank card and the bank already verified my full identity. Realistically this is a "who cares" for me. It represents very little if any incremental privacy loss. The only question left is which countries will have access or if it will be USA only.
- epsteingpt 3mo agoall the paid spies in the comments being like... 'f this is bad for the U.S., the U.S. is doing something terrible'
- cryptonector 3mo agoPerson is terrible. The U.S. itself should provide this service.
- zx8080 3mo agoShut up and take my money. Joeks aside, no ID for you. My name is on my bank card and my bank has KYCed me already.
- baddash 3mo agoi think claude is going to become the AI of the US government/public sector. if it isn't already
- Frannky 3mo agoSo they will be able to know how each person thinks, block capabilities they want to block, boycott what they want to boycott, and influence perspective on reality. Fortunately they are Anthropic and so as the name tells, they will care about humans. And so we can trust them they won't try to push agendas that require constant propaganda to be accepted, since it never happened before right? De platforming, debanking, misinformation, hate speech, anyone?
- iluvcommunism 3mo ago[dead]
- gandalfgreybeer 3mo agoRestricting access to US-only when the training dataset is from data of people around the world and data centers are not all US-only is something that's making me consider not supporting Anthropic.
- qilo 3mo agoHold on a second... didn't you literally hand over a verified phone number when you signed up? Please tell me you used a burner SIM for that!
- StefanBatory 3mo agoDepending on countries, there is no such thing as a burner SIM card.
- DaSHacka 3mo agoOf course, how else would I cycle between free accounts when my usage limit is up
- XiS 3mo ago`Persona is contractually limited in how they can use your data: only to provide and support verification and to improve their ability to prevent fraud.` Right.... So training a better facial recognition model improves their ability to prevent fraud?
- zx8080 3mo agoSure. And also exchanging the data (sharing it) with partners: > Persona ... cross-references your information against trusted third-party databases.
- pixlmint 3mo agoI cancelled my claude pro a couple weeks back. Had some doubts over it, but not anymore
- bandrami 3mo agoTom Sawyer at one point was painting a fence and trying to get people to help him and nobody would. Until he started saying "Oh I don't know, I'm not sure if I can let you help out".
- hhh 3mo agoDid everyone forget that you have to do this for OpenAI since GPT-4?
- DarkmSparks 3mo agoDidnt claude recently post its entire codebase online? Seems like it upgraded to doxxing its entire userbase.
- canbus 3mo agoWhy is the world going in this direction? I don’t want to give my biometric data to everyone. I can’t change it if it gets breached or sold on…
- globular-toast 3mo agoNow the question is, are people addicted enough already to do whatever it takes to continue getting the hit?
- rw2 3mo agoThis is a good thing: A. This brings responsibilities on using these super powerful models like fable and mythos. B. Distillation attacks can be avoided as someone who does it can be perma banned C. Brings value to having an American passport, AI benefits all the world equally but it's built on American talent and capital. There should be some value to people who are not shareholders.
- BatteryMountain 3mo agoI will never ever give Persona my ID.
- wewewedxfgdf 3mo ago>> We only use your verification data to confirm who you are and not for any other purposes. We use "who you are" mainly for banning you from the system for life, so you'll never be able to AI program again and will have to leave the industry because some arbitrary decision by some grunt at Anthropic decided you were in breach of something, with no path for review or justice. See, it's all fine!
- shevy-java 3mo ago> Being responsible with powerful technology starts with knowing who is using it. As said - YOU have become their product. I call it slavery. Anyone still wondering who really is pushing for mandatory age sniffing on computers? We are seeing the whole picture slowly now. AI is a huge scam - it is all against humans.
- numpad0 3mo ago> Persona is a third party identity verification company backed by Peter Thiel. The announcement comes months after Discord dropped Persona as an age verification vendor following significant user backlash and a reported data exposure incident in February 2026. So, in the end, it was just another mass ID grab by Persona? This also doesn't look like how EAR stuffs were handled.
- GL26 3mo agoIf models start only being available for a certain class of citizens of x,y,z countries, there will be "smart hackers" selling out their token usage for twice the price or something (a litteral black market for tokens).
- mhalle 3mo agoThe ID verification is also being used to enforce Claude's 18+ age restriction. It seems there is no way for a high school student to use Claude for any purpose, including as part of a supervised project or class.
- codedokode 3mo agoWhat about buying API access through intermediaries like OpenRouter? Also, will the people passing verification be added to a openaiwatchlist DB?
- madzem 3mo ago[dead]
- koryanders 3mo agoTime to move to locally hosted open source models - only if the thinking models could perform well locally
- papa_pandora 3mo agothis will finally kickstart the self hosted revolution in full force. Because I for sure af ain't giving my id to some AI company and have them profile me into oblivion.
- storus 3mo agoThis just follows the usual tech trend that when something gets finally good enough, an unskippable package deal appears as the only way to use it.