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Siri AI
- cdrnsf 3mo agoI sincerely hope this can all be disabled.
- ftth_finland 3mo agoPlease don’t suck.
- drummojg 3mo agoRight? I've been waiting a lot of years for an upgrade to my voice-activated timer setter/music player launcher.
- xp84 3mo agoCan't even get that right sometimes. A few weeks ago I somehow accidentally activated Siri and it decided that what I wanted was for it to play some kind of terrifying industrial electronic noise music that scared my kid.
- ChrisArchitect 3mo agoAssociated post: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/apple-introduces-siri-ai-a-profoundly-more-capable-and-personal-assistant/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/apple-introduces-siri...
- nico 3mo agoThe demo video there is so underwhelming. They show very basic stuff, which I assumed Siri was already capable of doing... not sure what the big improvement is
- lotsofpulp 3mo agoBased on my experience, I assume Siri is not capable of anything more than setting timers or referring me to my phone to see the search results.
- nico 3mo agoAnd that’s pretty much what they show in the demo, plus asking it for directions on Apple Maps (which it can also do already), and searching for pictures on the Photos app (which I just tried and it can’t do - so it looks like that’s the main feature)
- microtonal 3mo agoIf it's going to be anything like Gemini on Google Pixel, it'll be great at everything except for trivial tasks like setting timers :).
- baggachipz 3mo ago> coming this fall I believe we also heard that a couple years ago.
- MattDamonSpace 3mo agoWent out of their way to show actual usage of these features on actual devices in actual people’s hands
- troupo 3mo agoIn a pre-recorded video after who knows how many takes. 15 years ago they had the balls to run Siri live on stage: https://youtu.be/6rL9EL2LlrA?is=5yMQxs0C2VAC5Lwz https://youtu.be/6rL9EL2LlrA?is=5yMQxs0C2VAC5Lwz
- data-ottawa 3mo agoYou could see jitter in the reflection on the MacBook as the guy typed, so that all looked great. The responses came in very fast though, so I’m sceptical that the latency is representative (or that they didn’t cherry pick results, but they looked LLM generated). We shall see though.
- troupo 3mo agoEven for live shows they'd cherry pick specific scenarios that were known to work, and those would sometimes fail. IN a heavily produced pre-arranged pre-determined marketing video? It was as polished and made as smooth as possible.
- data-ottawa 3mo agoI think that’s mostly okay, I just worry about the times. It was like 2-3 seconds to search and pull context then generate the answer. I’m writing AI apps these days, and even pulling Gemini 3.5 flash on Google Cloud takes longer to get a multi-step response. Obviously the video is not representative, and there are fast models on fast hardware. But if this takes 2 minutes it’s not very compelling to users.
- r0fl 3mo agoNewest phones get latest models Genius way to sell more phones Really they are just selling on device Ai
- reconnecting 3mo agoAmazing how this time Apple found the `sweet spot` to release Siri AI when the letter combination A and I has fed up literally everyone.
- minimaxir 3mo agoApple notably threw shade at the existing AI implementations, with an emphasis on making Siri AI more human-focused. The stock price definitely didn't like it though.
- hmokiguess 3mo agoI feel like the hate came more from the "Available today for Developers and later in Beta" than anything
- reconnecting 3mo agoI mean, seriously, AI = Apple Intelligence? It's not even funny, it's not smart. It's like if they released MS Siri and said it's Mac System Siri.
- nozzlegear 3mo ago> I mean, seriously, AI = Apple Intelligence? For pedantry's sake, they were saying "AI = Apple Intelligence" last year as well, so it's not like they just pulled it out of their butts now that popular opinion has turned against AI.
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- reconnecting 3mo agoExactly, I thought one year was enough to prove that everyone reads those letters differently nowadays.
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- wilg 3mo agoMore or less stuck AI in all the obvious spots, which will probably be fine I guess. Not super exciting!
- minimaxir 3mo agoI wonder how much of Siri AI is Apple-developed and how much of it is Google-developed as a result of Gemini. The a) search demos and b) image generation demos seem unlikely to have been done by Apple alone, the demos being closer to Google Search and Nano Banana respectively.
- thewebguyd 3mo agoIt looks almost entirely like gemini. The images they showed are obviously nano banana, and the text responses are almost obviously Gemini (I say as a somewhat frequent Gemini user). I'm sure they customized some of it, but this looks basically like Gemini integrated with iCloud instead of Google Workspace.
- devindotcom 3mo agoI'm curious what the obvious tells were for you. I never use any of these tools so I do wonder what sets them apart for those in frequent contact.
- thewebguyd 3mo agoThe images were the biggest tell, generating using a reference photo of a person, at least Gemini and ChatGPT have two distinct styles. ChatGPT is a little less uncanny valley than Gemini which tries to be too realistic looking, in a bad way because it tries to preserve the original person in the photo, but still can't seem to help altering facial features. The text responses had Gemini's verbosity. Asking ChatGPT to show me iconic dishes from both Brazil and Morocco (Apple's example), is much cleaner, less verbose. Quick list of dishes and links to the recipe. Gemini just spews a wall of text and bullet points and goes on and on with fluff. Tons of "What this dish is" "Why it works" Same with its frequent use of tables, which I see less of with ChatGPT. Each Siri demo they did in the keynote had that hallmark verbosity I typically get with Gemini without prompting it to not do that.
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- timwis 3mo agoFor real this time...
- seaal 3mo ago>Fix passwords with a tap. >The Passwords app alerts you to weak or compromised passwords and can update them on your behalf without the hassle. Finally, I hope this works well. Personally one of the worst things to deal with.
- avarun 3mo ago1Password has been able to do this for five+ years. Frankly, it doesn't even really need agentic AI, although a talented team could probably make it perform better with agentic AI. I don't really believe in Apple being that quality team.
- nozzlegear 3mo ago> I don't really believe in Apple being that quality team. Why?
- iknowstuff 3mo agoits clear from their efforts thus far (image playground jesus fuck) that AI and even prompt engineering talent actively flocks away from them
- tomjakubowski 3mo agoHaven't you heard? Prompt engineering is dead. The cool kids are making Claude prompt itself. They're writing loops, not prompts. It's all about optimal tip-to-tip efficiency now. “I don’t prompt Claude anymore. I have loops running that prompt Claude and figuring out what to do. My job is to write loops”.—Boris Cherny
- iknowstuff 3mo agoheh I merely said prompt engineering because their efforts amounted to writing a prompt and sending it off to a model somebody else created to create some awful images
- OberstKrueger 3mo ago> Available on iPhone 17 Pro, iPhone 17 Pro Max, iPhone Air, iPad models with M4 and later and at least 12GB of unified memory, and Mac models with M3 and later and at least 12GB of unified memory. It’s really disappointing to see the on-device models being limited to so few devices. And this was after the iPhone 16 and 16 Pro were marketed so heavily with supporting their now failed effort at AI.
- Amorymeltzer 3mo agoThat's specifically the secondary, more-powerful model. It was only mentioned in passing in the keynote, but on this page anyway, it seems to be just the improved dictation in Siri and ability to customize pacing, etc.
- havaloc 3mo agoThe 12gb number is weird, but also telling. iPhones have 12gb, current Neo has 8gb, the next gen Neo is speculated to have 12gb (as it'll be based on a later iPhone chip).
- onesociety2022 3mo agoApple has pulled a Tesla here. FSD on HW3 cars is stuck on old software with no upgrade path as of now. Tesla is potentially justifying it by calling it "FSD (Supervised)" so they don't have to do an expensive retrofit to them even though they sold these cars originally with the promise of fully autonomous driving. All the iPhone 16/Pro owners have been waiting for Apple Intelligence features announced from that WWDC 2 years ago. They didn't get delivered and now won't ever be delivered with on-device intelligence due to the 8GB RAM limitation.
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- josho 3mo ago> It’s really disappointing to see the on-device models being limited to so few devices. At first I thought it was the usual planned obsolescence. Then I realized it may be a true technical limitation. I suspect an embedding model is required to run on device in order to make several of the features work. Embedding models are small compared to LLMs, but, depending on their capabilities, could be the memory driver.
- nobody_r_knows 3mo agoThis whole "coming this fall", "later this year", it's annoying. I miss the days when Steve Jobs used to say "and it's available right now, you can demo it in the hall outside, we're going ot make a billion dollars by tonight."
- nafizh 3mo agoThey should have changed the name as per branding. I hear Siri, I subconsciously associate it with really bad software.
- avazhi 3mo agoI hear Apple and I associate with it with laughable AI integration, an unserious UI, and buggy software. Apple’s entire software stack has a branding problem.
- nozzlegear 3mo agoThis sounds like a take that you'd probably only find on HN though. It seems dubious that regular Apple users see any issues with the software stack or with Siri, certainly not to the point that it'd be a branding problem for Apple.
- avazhi 3mo agoNext time you're speaking to a close non-techie friend or family member feel free to ask them how often/whether they ever use Siri, and then ask them why not, and you'll realise that no, this isn't some HN-specific peculiarity.
- nozzlegear 3mo agoI don't have to wait for a next time: my mother uses Siri literally all the time, it drives me crazy lol > and you'll realise that no, this isn't some HN-specific peculiarity. I think it is tbh
- hbn 3mo agoHey if they could turn Apple Maps around, why not Siri?
- arijun 3mo agoThey’re adding vibecoded shortcuts (the high level scripting for Apple devices). Hopefully that means they worked out some of the long-existing bugs and missing features, but I’m not optimistic. Still, could be a useful tool, especially for less tech-literate people.
- seaal 3mo agoJust updated to see if I could make a shortcut to toggle `Reduced White Point` accessibility shortcut. "Try describing something different for the shortcut." I guess I shouldn't be surprised that it still doesn't work.
- iknowstuff 3mo agoLol that sucks. But FYI you can set it to a triple press of the power button.
- cgearhart 3mo agoI just tested this myself. I wrote “flip the reduce white point toggle accessibility option in the settings app” and it worked perfectly. Run once to set it and run again to disable it.
- jameshart 3mo agoIt increases the value app developers might get out of offering shortcut actions - similar to how the advent of MCPs seems to have kicked a bunch of SaaS vendors into offering a clean API, the advent of Siri being able to tap into shortcut actions - and script them - might make it feel more worthwhile to app devs to open up deep functions.
- zzyzxd 3mo agoIf they are ok with shortcuts being vibecoded, maybe it's time to expose a proper programming language to the end users as well. All my automation shortcuts can be easily explained in pseudo code under 5 minutes, but it took me ages to put them together because that weird UI/UX forcing me to drag-and-drop squares around to manipulate data structures. Programmers hate it, non-programmers can't understand it, it is not designed for anybody.
- micromacrofoot 3mo agoThe most notable thing here is that they finally have the primitives to make Siri actually useful across apps. I can't even use Siri to close Google Maps in my car right now.
- 0gs 3mo agoall the limitations of on-device with none of the benefits, it seems? they gotta get SOMETHING out there and soon but idk, i would probably feel safer running a chinese model through a 3P iOS app shell vs. trusting Geminiri to not snitch if i cared about the sanctity of my personal information.
- nozzlegear 3mo ago> all the limitations of on-device with none of the benefits, it seems? What do you mean?
- 0gs 3mo agoi think i just mean if they are using google models, then i believe every query is going to google no matter what apple claims about "keeping it local." whether google does anything with it, separate question i guess, but i imagine it will ALSO be slow to simulate the protection apple is selling. and sure, it's a catty comment, i'll own that. but that is my read on the announcements and demonstrations.
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- hmokiguess 3mo agomissed opportunity to call it "VibeSiri"
- brailsafe 3mo agoApple's "New Coke" moment?
- speak_plainly 3mo agoThe demo Mike Rockwell gave at WWDC was interesting. He kinda showed off Siri as like the Star Trek computer for your phone. I hope this is the direction Apple is going to continue in. Having AI as a user interface is way more interesting than chat bots, image editors, or copy editing.
- crancher 3mo agoI think the key thing is that Spotlight is now creating a... knowledge graph? of everything on your device for Siri's consideration. That's potentially very useful.
- arcatech 3mo agoI think it’s just storing embeddings now.
- soledades 3mo agowell there is this: https://9to5mac.com/2026/02/11/kuzu-database-company-joins-apples-list-of-recent-acquisitions/ https://9to5mac.com/2026/02/11/kuzu-database-company-joins-a...
- tanmaydesh5189 3mo agoI suspect it is Kuzu in the backend. I had called it out earlier this year in my article. ".. WWDC 2026 or 2027 introduces any “contextual intelligence” features in Siri that require cross-app relationship reasoning."https://medium.com/data-science-collective/i-analyzed-163k-lines-of-kuzus-codebase-here-s-why-apple-wanted-it-12294a7035fa https://medium.com/data-science-collective/i-analyzed-163k-l...
- saagarjha 3mo agoI can't read the whole thing but Apple has been building a knowledge graph for years already. Look up their efforts for proactive Siri, Duet, etc.
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- barumrho 3mo agoThis looks pretty promising to me. It will likely replace the need to set up OpenClaw for average personal users. The work of getting email, messages, and all the personal data on the phone as context seamlessly is not as straightforward as one might think. I'm curious how the pricing will work. Would it be free up to some limit and then some subscription pricing? I can't imagine it can be free unlimited usage given the price of serving these models.
- archagon 3mo agoAverage personal users don't need OpenClaw at all...
- aurareturn 3mo agoThis is why OpenAI thinks it needs to build its own physical devices. If Apple is only allowing its own AI to operate at the OS level, then that leaves OpenAI with no choice but to build their own. Meta also realized this and attempted multiple times to build their own hardware but they've given up each time. They started as early as a partnering with HTC in 2011 to make a Facebook phone. Quite frankly, I'm kind of excited to see what OpenAI can build. I think an AI-first phone could challenge iOS and Android. It's a new paradigm and if OpenAI gets it right, it'll be very hard for Apple and Google to pivot. I personally think chat + code is the future of apps. For example, I find myself wanting to do many things inside ChatGPT instead of traditional app because I can tell it to do things that are simply impossible on a static app UI. For example, I have some data I want to send to an app but before I do, I want ChatGPT to clean the data in some way first. And then after the data is uploaded, I want ChatGPT to pull some data off the API and make charts that I want to see. I imagine a world where very intelligent models run at 10k tokens/s, app building is extremely standardized, and it simply builds any app you want inside the OS. IE, if you want a dashboard of your health data, you ask it to build it almost instantly exactly how you want it. I'm already doing something similar today but it's slow and not easy to do for non-engineers.
- layer8 3mo ago> If Apple is only allowing its own AI to operate at the OS level Incidentally, that’s what’s preventing Apple from rolling out their OS-privileged AI in the EU, as the EU mandates equal access for competing AI products. It will be interesting how this plays out.
- 2001zhaozhao 3mo ago> Private Cloud Compute > Your data is never stored > Used only for your requests > Verifiable privacy promise Apple is cooking. Although at that point might as well bring the cloud features to more devices. Yeah it costs more but also locks users in harder.
- superkickstart 3mo agoAnt they still failed to get past EU privacy regulations at launch.
- bilsbie 3mo agoHonestly I don’t have much faith in Apple intelligence when it can’t even search my settings.
- jmuguy 3mo agoThis is disappointing. I had hoped when Apple revisited AI that they would lean into agents more and give us some sort of agent interface between the phone and a model running locally on your Mac at home. More niche for sure, but much more powerful. Instead we're getting more generic AI tie-ins to apps and "suggestions".
- Melatonic 3mo agoSeriously - this would be a major cool thing to actually use AI for. Run some local AI basic stuff on phone and have it securely connect to your own home device for more advanced tasks or control your home agents. Could even reduce their own need to host cloud AI compute
- k2xl 3mo agoI’m honestly surprised Apple didn’t retire the Siri brand. At this point, “Siri” has a pretty strong cultural association with being underwhelming or unhelpful. Even if the new version is dramatically better, convincing people to give Siri another shot may be harder than launching the same technology under a new name. Feels like a missed opportunity to reset expectations.
- thewebguyd 3mo agoYeah missed opportunity. They could have even had a fake funeral for Siri like Jobs did for OS 9, or a "retirement party" or something. Leave the Siri brand behind and launch this as something brand new.
- akmarinov 3mo agoNone for the EU Is it available in China at least or is this another “50% of the userbase gets nothing new in the OS update” year? Edit: https://x.com/wongmjane/status/2064052590992916840?s=46 https://x.com/wongmjane/status/2064052590992916840?s=46 Lol
- nozzlegear 3mo agoOne of the presenters said they're working with regulators in China and the EU to make it available eventually.
- akmarinov 3mo agoNice, waiting to see what they’ll market as “the feature” for when they run ads outside of the US
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- pornel 3mo agoIn the EU case, Apple weaponizes people's ignorance about regulation. Apple pretends that the features everyone else has been shipping left and right somehow need extra paperwork and special approvals, because (…checks notes…) pro-privacy EU laws let zero-privacy competitors sail through, but block implementations that offer more privacy!? What's really happening is Apple unilaterally withholding features while making vague noises about regulation as bargaining chips in talks with EU regulators where Apple is trying to weasel out of punishment for breaking anti-monopoly laws.
- InTheArena 3mo agoThis isn't really true. AI laws in the EU mandate that Apple give full access to everythign on the device to third parties. It's legit to be skeptical on the privacy front, but giving deepseek access to my entire phone. Or the TrumpAI at some point in a dystopian future seems... not great.
- sleepybrett 3mo agoThe one thing I've been trying to figure out / hoping will get a fix is that in the apple intelligence settings panel there is an 'extension' that allows it to use chatgpt. I would like to be able to have an extension for local models and/or custom apis.
- CrzyLngPwd 3mo agoGreat, as long as I can switch it off and use my phone as I always have, I'm happy for them. I can't wait to take a photo of a cricket ball and ask it what it is, ffs. These people need to get out, touch grass, watch trees swaying in the breeze, and put their phones down before they lose toonmany neurons.
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- bilsbie 3mo agoIt’s weird it says I can ask Siri about a document in front of me but can I ask it about a webpage I’m currently reading? (It’s been driving me crazy there’s no “AI this” button to discuss whatever is on my screen.)
- xp84 3mo agoEdge has had this for a long time. I can highlight a string and right-click, 'Send to Copilot' and click "explain" and it'll prompt it to 'explain this passage, particularly in the context of the current page.' Note: I have MS 365 personal or whatever it's called this week so I'm not sure how Copilot acts for a completely free user.
- jameshart 3mo agoThat would be a finder feature vs a safari feature? They talked about safari’s capabilities in a separate segment.
- browningstreet 3mo agoToday's presentation was about the things you can do in the next release. And the asnwer to your question is "yes", in Golden Gate.
- meatmanek 3mo agoI'm guessing they'll integrate with the double-tap-the-bottom-of-the-screen feature that pulls up siri in front of a screenshot. Currently it doesn't seem to hook into "visual intelligence", and needs to call out to ChatGPT to do anything with the screen contents.
- Barbing 3mo agoTangential note on > double-tap-the-bottom-of-the-screen feature that pulls up siri It’s disabled if not using Apple Intelligence, and can’t tap screen while talking to Siri (it dismisses instead). Now they’re gating features to the M3 I’m not convinced wouldn’t work on expensive Apple Silicon predecessors… am more convinced the double tap disable is intentional.
- bilsbie 3mo agoThe killer app would be a locally run Siri that learns about you and your preferences.
- le-mark 3mo agoLlms don’t learn after they’re trained. At the most it could maintain a profile or some such. Which may be the equivalent of what you mean, but not as provocative.
- yalogin 3mo agoThe chatbots(ChatGPT, Claude et al) showed Apple exactly what can be done, the user base is already well primed. So this is a product definition done for them to execute. If done well they will be able to provide a much stronger integration into the day to day use cases than the chatbots, and can siphon off user time from them. This time around the end to end is easier with Apple Intelligence and more importantly llms doing the work Apple is floundering at. So I am hopeful, but I still see the os/app level integration as not enough in terms of functionality to make it a hit. The primary use case for llms is still conversations and search. Apple should be focusing on that aspect primarily and also add the os/app level integration as a bonus - as something only they can do. If they just do the latter, it will not be as much of a success. Let’s see how they execute. EDIT: To provide meaningful chat functionality they have to either eat up the cost or charge a subscription for it. This will be first time they charge for Siri - a product that doesn’t garner any positive reviews. This gets even more interesting to watch
- manmal 3mo agoIf they are using some mid model and are stingy with web search, I won’t use it more than a couple times.
- emodendroket 3mo ago> This will be first time they charge for Siri - a product that doesn’t garner any positive reviews. It seems like revisionist history to say that; lots of people were sold on iPhones years ago because of Siri. They have one of the few business cases for voice assistants, which are notoriously difficult to actually monetize, that actually makes any sense, since "selling iPhones" is meaningful and "selling a subscription" would be nice on top of that.
- atulvi 3mo agoHow is this different from the chatgpt apple intelligence thing from last year?
- xp84 3mo agoThis time they really promise it'll ship But fundamentally, the real difference is they have now bought and white-labeled Gemini to replace all the stuff they failed to make 2 years ago.
- h14h 3mo agoApple Shortcuts have felt like a blatantly obvious AI play to me for a while now. The interface for creating them manually has been so bad for so long, it feels clear to me that LLM-driven shortcut orchestration was always the endgame. Apple built up their ecosystem of composable "tools", and then trained an LLM on how to call them. The result, IMO, is the first OpenClaw/Hermes competitor that's feasible for use by the general public. Everyone with a paid Claude or ChatGPT that they're struggling to use to the fullest is going to have very little reason not to swap over to an upgraded iCloud+ plan (if they don't already have one). I suspect we're going to see mass cancellation of $20/mo plans very soon. OpenAI's timing for removing their temporary increased usage limits is looking pretty unfortunate...
- manmal 3mo agoWhy do I need shortcuts though, I want that to be transparent.
- h14h 3mo agoGood point, that's probably gonna be the hardest sell. I have shortcuts set up to count the hours I log in my work Google calendar and copy them to my clipboard to help me prepare invoices. So while I've already been sold on what Shortcuts can do, getting the general public to see the possibilities is probably gonna be a challenge.
- xp84 3mo agoI think Shortcuts has a few massive flaws that would give me pause enshrining it as middleware for an important thing like a "mainstream OpenClaw". 1 is performance. It's slow. You can run one within the app and literally watch execution flow from one block to the next. Absurd, for the CPU power at hand. 2 is reliance on developers to deliberately implement hooks and "intents" when the developers of at least half of apps including most "big company" apps do not care to bother, often because 95% of their app's surface is actually cross-platform stuff. Example: There are no shortcut actions for Google Calendar, and Gmail only has one real one which is a generic send email. No "search email" etc. I'd rather see Apple lean into "computer use" to allow it to use any app that displays things on the screen, but IDK how you make that safe.
- gilbetron 3mo agoI don't care much about Siri, and not a lot about Apple (other than as an investment), but Apple is generally really good about putting out polished tech, and so I'm curious if Siri AI will be up to their usual standards, because if so, it represents a significant usage of AI that has solved hallucination issues. But that's a big If!
- usrnm 3mo ago> I'm curious if Siri AI will be up to their usual standards You clearly never used Siri before
- Danox 3mo agoThe big if is does it work on device without phoning home? For example, Google or Meta as a Ad/data collection company wants to phone home for everything because they want to collect data on you, what will this Apple solution do?
- hbn 3mo agoThere's extensive writing about Apple's Private Cloud Compute architecture. It's beyond my expertise, but it's publicly available if you're curious.
- alt227 3mo agoWith the amount of people that have iphones in this world, I am more than sure that somebody will be able to make it do something wrong. Apple knows this which is why it is taking years to test and iron out the kinks. But somebody somewhere will make it hack a social media account, or give over somebody elses credentials, or generate illegal child images etc.
- trhaynes 3mo agoThe screenshot about pho is funny to me. Bean sprouts are not a good source of fiber. Noodles are not especially healthy. The broth base is not fish sauce, nor is fish sauce where broth gets most of its sodium. Slop city!
- hombre_fatal 3mo agoYeah, "Fiber: good source" when 100g of raw bean sprouts gives you 1.8g fiber (less than a 2" kiwi), and pho comes with much less than 100g of sprouts. Pho is a pretty bad source of fiber. It sucks that we're skipping over such good tools like cronometer.com to figure out what we're actually eating and going straight to hallucination, adding more confusion to nutrition.
- Melatonic 3mo agoSeriously - that was bizarre. Why would they not choose a healthier meal or something more unknown?
- andrewstuart 3mo agoI go on long walks and talk to ChatGPT in depth in its conversation mode about programming and computing in depth. That’s what I expected from Siri but you can get in from ChatGPT .
- lolive 3mo agoWill I be convinced to change my iphone 6s? #suspense
- visarga 3mo agoBefore they add AI they better fix the frigging search function in settings, it is horrible, you need to know their exact words, and Apple has a funny naming sense. Hierarchies nested so deep you never find anything. I come to use Claude or ChatGPT to tell me the right incantations to find a setting.
- hbn 3mo agoI don't even know that it's knowing the exact words, it just seems like sometimes the search decides it's just gonna give you no results because the vibes were off. I'm almost sure that sometimes searching the same thing will give you the result and sometimes it won't.
- curvaturearth 3mo agoHey look! Here's something new that we could already do but now it costs more and takes more engineering and.. AI
- idontwantthis 3mo agoIf this is good, I might finally ditch my 12 mini.
- wxw 3mo agoI strongly believe Apple can win the consumer AI space. They have incredible distribution and hardware. They just haven’t executed at the application layer yet.
- merlindru 3mo agowhat's worrisome is that they continue to fail at it. it's one thing to say "we're still hashing things out". it's another to parade around Image Generation features that are obviously widely not-cared-for and oftentimes actively disliked Apple cares greatly about their brand yet this has hurt their brand like nothing else in the past decade
- emodendroket 3mo agoI mean have they, they have an outright majority share in iPhones in some markets, including the US, and lots of other stuff that sells reliably. Granted, I'm sure they'd love to have another blockbuster product, but having what amounts to "utility" status for a $1000 device isn't too bad.
- OJFord 3mo agoRest assured when they do have it figured out, we'll learn how they invented LLMs and AI chatbots.
- pgwhalen 3mo agoIt’s worrisome, but it’s also worth pointing out that no one else has succeeded at it, or even gotten close. It’s easy to forget that there are not good well-integrated person AI solutions yet, it’s just chat bots. I think it’s just harder than a lot of people think it is.
- merlindru 3mo agoabsolutely agree. but Apple isn't known to make grand promises and then not keep them, is it..? usually they just deliver what they say they will yet i've been reading about "well they promised AI Siri two years ago and Siri still can't set an alarm right" in every thread even remotely related to the topic i don't remember reading this much about anything else. it seems to have soured people quite a bit, at least in my internet bubble
- max8539 3mo agoHm, second try? And Siri AI again without dates. First time it was also “later” but was postponed for how many years?
- loloquwowndueo 3mo agoThe only thing I want to know about this new Siri is how to turn it entirely off.
- koalalorenzo 3mo agoI agree, I am kinda disappointed by how much AI there is in this update, I was hoping for something different and exciting.
- matthewfcarlson 3mo agoI think it's important to note what they didn't talk about. They briefly scrolled a long list of performance improvements and mentioned a few. Personally, I am very hopeful that the fact that they only talked about these high level AI features means the other engineers got to spend time focusing on performance and quality.
- loloquwowndueo 3mo agoFixing the shit show that iOS 26 is and making it so my shiny new iPhone 17 doesn’t visibly struggle rendering simple ui elements should be considered table stakes for iOS 27, I wouldn’t expect them to mention that too much as it’s like the bare minimum we expect for the update.
- fckgw 3mo agoYou could just not use it.
- loloquwowndueo 3mo agoOh I’m definitely not going to use it. But apple tends to try to put these things in your face and get you to use them (seen all those purple buttons in Pages lately?). A global “just don’t show me or try to get me to use this crap at all” switch would be very welcome. Bonus if it also frees up however many GB of space this garbage will take whether I use it or not.
- pupppet 3mo agoHere's hoping they've finally fixed iOS's terrible dictation.
- hbn 3mo agoThey actually released a pretty good dictation model in the OS 26 updates. Someone made a cli utility to play with it: https://github.com/finnvoor/yap https://github.com/finnvoor/yap I tried it and was pretty impressed. That said I haven't heard anything yet about them switching to this for the text input voice dictation in iOS but it would be really nice.
- simianwords 3mo agoHere's what I want: natural language interaction to achieve complex workflows in iPhone. Example: find the cheapest way to go from A to B and book it using the Deutsche Bahn Train app. I still don't think Siri can do that ::angry::
- ForOldHack 3mo agoI was at Best Buy in the Apple section, and I asked its AI "What is the best value in four year old MacBook pros." It pointed me directly at an over-under washer dryer for $3400. Quite obviously, it was trained, like a drooling puppy by Madison Ave. Wait... don't tell me... there is an App for that.
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- jesse_dot_id 3mo agoI didn't really see anything that knocked my socks off. Mostly, it's the promise that Siri now works in the way in which they said it would work a few years ago, when it didn't. I do like the addition of Siri in the context menu, though. I can see that being useful.
- Ecstatify 3mo agoIt’s the same broken promise every year. All I want is for Siri to set an alarm and open my blinds. That’s enough for me. Makes you wonder how much money Apple has poured into Siri over the years.
- s3p 3mo agoJokes aside, I have been using siri to control my smart home and set my alarm for nearly ten years now. I haven't really had problems with basic stuff like this.
- lukevp 3mo agoNot in the same request. I often want to turn off 2 lights and the other on, I have to build scenes to do this
- rafaelmn 3mo ago>Siri turn off the main light in children's bedroom 100% of the time turns of all the lights in children's bedroom. Alexa has no problem with this. Disappointing to say the least. Completely useless, I was going to get an Android this year on upgrade cycle. Will check this out first.
- bandrami 3mo agoI'm too paranoid to ever want a home snitch device, so I'm not their target audience, but it always struck me that if it took even ten minutes to debug a problem like that it completely destroys a year's worth of time allegedly saved compared to just walking over to the room and hitting the switch.
- himata4113 3mo agoI read through the entire DMA rant that apple has here: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-delayed-in-eu-for-ios-27-and-ipados-27/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de... This feels like it could be solved with a list of permissions that the user has to turn on when using 3rd party AI. Apple already: 1) requires developers to submit ID to publish an app on the appstore (at least I had to after ~1000 downloads to be able to publish an update) 2) has strong kernel enforced memory integrity and disallowes arbitrary code execution (unless explicitely approved for games like roblox, jitting not allowed tho has to be interpreted). 3) reviews every app update. I feel like this is nothing more than Apple being angry that they have to allow people to actually choose what AI they want on their phone. This is particulary interesting if anthropic and openai decided they want to add siri ai override to their apps allowing them to take advantage of the apple ecosystem without signing some kind of deal like they had to with Google. I assume behind closed doors Google had to make some sacrifices for them to be the model powering siri.
- lxgr 3mo ago> I feel like this is nothing more than Apple being angry that they have to allow people to actually choose what AI they want on their phone. It's really just Apple being angry about the EU's DMA endangering their golden goose (App Store revenue) and using any meaningful new functionality as a bargaining chip. They've done staggered geo launches for other features in the past many times, both before and after the DMA was passed, and in this case there's even another great reason to not want to globally launch all at once (AI inference server capacity). If they can at the same time market it as part of their ridiculous turf war against the European Commission, I guess they just have to take the opportunity.
- vrganj 3mo agoThe thing is, Europeans are mostly annoyed with Apple over this, not the EC. It just reads like arrogant foreigners throwing a tantrum over our laws.
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- azinman2 3mo agoWhy?
- loumf 3mo agoFor me, it feels like a prompt injection based security nightmare. Literally every file on my mac and every site I browse is potential malware. Edit to add: every email and text message as well.
- nozzlegear 3mo agoInteresting. I'm quite bearish on AI in general, but this will get me to upgrade my iPhone 14 Pro to whatever they release in September.
- BonoboIO 3mo agoA multi trillion dollar company not able to create open apis for competition … definitely the EUs fault
- rumblefrog 3mo agoThe automatically update of my compromised passwords on websites is very impressive, and I wonder how it's achieved.
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- tanmaydesh5189 3mo agoIn Feb this year, when I analyzed KuzuDB's source code, I predicted Apple's reasoning to buy them was to introduce Siri with cross-app personal context. "..WWDC 2026 or 2027 introduces any “contextual intelligence” features in Siri that require cross-app relationship reasoning." https://medium.com/data-science-collective/i-analyzed-163k-lines-of-kuzus-codebase-here-s-why-apple-wanted-it-12294a7035fa?sk=6edea2d92a8e00f05dc38a376833c665 https://medium.com/data-science-collective/i-analyzed-163k-l.... There is no confirmation on which tech is being used to achive that though
- AuthAuth 3mo agoIts wild to me that people use those apple emoji people. It looks so bad.
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- Danox 3mo agoThat’s your clue that it’s AI, or do you want it so realistic that you don’t know the difference?
- alrtd82 3mo agoIn English!? Someone please Apple that LLMs can deal with multiple languages at once without the old “go to Settings to configure your language”
- gregorygoc 3mo agoCan Apple now focus on rolling back Liquid Glass “upgrade”?
- data-ottawa 3mo agoIf you watched the keynote they added transparency controls, adjusted the refraction, removed the different window corner radii into one, and cleaned up sidebars and toolbars. They also updated icons to have more depth to them so you get a harder border on key elements. I still look at older MacOS screenshots and think a lot of it looks better, but directionally they are improving Liquid Glass.
- AndrewKemendo 3mo agoHow many companies did they just Sherlock?
- insane_dreamer 3mo agoSo Siri is basically now a Gemini agent? Our family uses Siri with a HomePod a lot, and it's already much better than it was a couple of years ago where it could basically set timers, tell you the weather. Now it answers questions ("when did the Knicks last win an NBA championship") with decent answers, instead of "I'll send the web results to your phone". But it's still far behind voice-chatting with Claude in the Claude app, so very much looking forward to this upgrade. I will say though that proper voice transcription in Claude -- or any of these agents -- sucks. If it can't understand the question properly, then it can't provide the right answer. It works okay for me, but not for my kids, not when speaking quickly or in incomplete sentences (as people tend to do), etc.
- tzm 3mo agoIf that Siri orb fails to respond after this release, I'm done with Apple.
- xlii 3mo ago> We’re deeply disappointed that our EU users won’t have Siri AI on iPhone or iPad when we share our new software releases later this year I really enjoy this lag. Apple with the whole DMA made iPhone completely dull to my eyes. Previously? Updated yearly. Now? 3+ years without replacement and probably will stick to it for next 2-3 years. Sure maybe in US Apple is fun. But in EU it's.. boring (and not like a Golang boring, just boring)
- aucisson_masque 3mo agoWeek if its like the current apple intelligence feature,I don't care if we don't get in the eu.
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- whh 3mo agoI wonder if they got around to the Finder date-sorting bug that's been around for about 10 years.
- azinman2 3mo agoWhat’s the bug
- jdprgm 3mo agoApple's execution on AI is the worst of anything I can think of they have worked on in the past 20 years. It's embarrassing they announced this with a vague "coming this fall" when they basically have completely lost credibility in their ability to ship AI features considering it was initially announced YEARS ago. I think a lot of it is the old "perfect is the enemy of good" with Apple trying multiple times now to announce this big basket of all these AI features supposedly coming all at once instead of just regularly shipping new useful AI integrations every month. There was so much easy useful shit that was immediately apparent as soon at OpenAI dropped that first big voice mode years ago coupled with basic app integrations. Particularly in the context of the AI labs that are operating in that lane almost too much where it seems a new model or mode comes out every two weeks.
- WorldPeas 3mo agoI wonder if Apple actually posttrained or at least finetuned this model or if it's just standard gemma. I feel it'd be bad practice if they didn't at least have some training atop it for apple's tools. Also you don't really hear much about apple's in-housed private compute servers anymore, did they get outmoded? I only hear about them using nvidia now.
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- mattmaroon 3mo agoI switched from android to iOS 7 years ago and I’ve actually been debating going back just because of how bad iOS is at AI. And every other facet of my life, I am finding ways for it to save my time on an almost daily basis. And yet on iOS, just finding something from a text Message is still a nightmare. Siri seems to rarely get better and sometimes actually get worse.
- CryptoBanker 3mo ago> And yet on iOS, just finding something from a text Message is still a nightmare This has been a problem on iOS since the dawn of time and has nothing to do with AI
- s3p 3mo agoNope, it got markedly worse since AI. You used to be able to search for string literals, so if you remembered one obtuse phrase from a group chat, you could pull it up instantly. Now this 'intent' search will try to search for what it thinks you want, not what you typed. AFAIK, there is no way to search for literals anymore, thanks to AI.
- mattmaroon 3mo agoYeah it went from bad to worse somehow.
- mattmaroon 3mo agoAI has just made it worse, both directly (search doesn’t function like standard search anymore but also nowhere near ChatGPT) and by comparison. I can go ask Gemini questions that require it to get information from several emails at once like “which x vendor had the lowest price”. Im assuming it can do the same with my texts or, if not yet, it will soon. I had zero such faith with Apple. I will wait until the fall and see if this looks like the germ of something actually useful before deciding if I’m going to switch.
- stringfood 3mo agono, you don't understand - iOS has no AI because Apple cares about your privacy!!
- doganarif 3mo agoWe heard a lot of things, but unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it won't work as expected.
- bilekas 3mo agoI like the idea for normal people. Day to day usage who ignore hallucinations is a big market. > Siri AI coming in English later this year. Strange way to phrase it, but okay. > Siri AI will be available In beta later this year and requires an Apple Intelligence–enabled device set to a supported language. Available in English to start. Siri AI will not initially be available in the EU on iOS and iPadOS. Ah okay, not EU enabled. The only reason for this, in my tinfoil hat, must be for data farming.
- lellow 3mo agoIn my opinion, this is late by almost two years. This should have been the v1 when they first presented Apple Intelligence.
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- stingraycharles 3mo agoWait, I got an iPhone 15 Pro Max because supposedly it was compatible with Apple Intelligence. But now it’s not supporting this?
- cowsandmilk 3mo ago15 Pro Max is supported…
- dwaite 3mo agoApple splits processing between an on-device and cloud-hosted model. As time goes on, devices will be more capable of doing more processing locally, and it would be expected that the cloud-hosted model gets more sophisticated. Your 15 Pro Max supports Apple Intelligence. Newer phones can answer more questions without going to cloud infrastructure.
- javamelon 3mo agoIt should support everything except the new voice model.
- hbn 3mo agoTo be fair, the iPhone 15 line came out before Apple Intelligence was even announced. It's the iPhone 16 line that feels a bit shitty not getting the latest and greatest since it was advertised as "built for Apple Intelligence" Apparently the 17 Pro is the only currently released iPhone that will get the best local model. Which I suppose makes sense considering it has 12GB of RAM compared to the 16 Pro's 8GB.
- sakesun 3mo agoMicrosoft cannot compete in browser race and has to adopt Chromium. Apple cannot compete in AI and has to adopt Gemini Google is a really amazing company.
- Schiendelman 3mo agoIn both cases, Google built a commodity that doesn't necessarily generate revenue for them. I don't think they're doing very well in this case.
- gumby271 3mo agoNot directly, but they control the most popular portal to the open Internet with chromium to shape ad delivery, and (depending on how dramatic you want to be) the shape of reality presented to their users based on their AI models. Not directly profitable, but damn that's a scary level of power.
- sakesun 3mo agoAnd it's amazing that they are doing very well overall without having to do too well to generate revenue.
- haritha-j 3mo agoGoogle's power is in controlling your interface. How you interact with the internet, and now, how you interact with AI, is dictated by them. There is massive power in being the interface between you and information.
- sleazebreeze 3mo agoToo bad Google can’t compete in consumer or professional AI either
- lateral_cloud 3mo agoWhat do you define as professional AI? If you're talking about enterprise AI I'd say they are well ahead of Microsoft and AWS.
- yesitcan 3mo ago> Aga sent you a message about Calanthea, a plant. > Aga: have you heard of Calanthea? It’s a plant. Really groundbreaking use of AI!
- Schiendelman 3mo agoThat's not what that is showing, it isn't reading a text you just got. It's you asking about the plant she told you about, it finding that text message, summarizing, and also proving with the text that it's accurate.
- Skunkleton 3mo ago> Schiendelman sent you a message on hacker news clarifying what its showing. It's you asking about the plant she told you about, it finding that text message, summarizing, and also proving with the text that it's accurate. wow! we are in the future!
- Schiendelman 3mo agoI chuckled, thank you. :)
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- Galois97 3mo agoWhy would they wait so long to launch this? With every passing day countless people further ingrain ChatGPT / Claude as their default chatbot...
- kennywinker 3mo agoThe second slide on the site is… it’s gotta be a troll from some pissed off designer, right? Screenshotted in case they change it https://imgur.com/a/n1I3z8g https://imgur.com/a/n1I3z8g
- joshstrange 3mo agoI believe that is showing the results of a search, as in something like "What Plant was Aga telling me about the other day?". The website doesn't make that clear but they asked questions like that in the keynote (not that specific one).
- kennywinker 3mo agoLol. That makes it almost make sense. It’s still showing me a summary of a text that uses exactly the same amount of space to convey exactly the same amount of information. Like, that’s just search - i’ve been able to get this info by typing “plant” into the search bar since they added spotlight in iPhoneOS 3.0 back in 2009 It’s also a text from 9:14am the same day. If this is the second slide in your marketing slideshow, you clearly have nothing better to show.
- Schiendelman 3mo agoThe reason it's showing you what's in the text is to show you a search result. The text is essentially the proof. When the user asks what plant she was telling you about, they don't have the text in front of them. It could be 200 texts back.
- kennywinker 3mo ago> It could be 200 texts back. Ok? But if I search for something just show me the thing I searched for (the proof). There is literally no need to repeat it in a slightly different tense. Who is that helping?
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- bluegatty 3mo agoThey are very far behind, this doesn't feel like catch up.
- ok_dad 3mo agoMy number one question is can I turn this shit off? I don’t want AI infecting and having access to my whole fucking life. They don’t say anything on this marketing page.
- alex_young 3mo agoDoes this not work with HomePod? How is an AI voice assistant not compatible with the smart speaker?
- Schiendelman 3mo agoThat old hardware can't handle it. HomePod, the Apple TV, and the watch will all get updates in the next few months to streamline this.
- jijji 3mo agoThey are a few years late to the party
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- novoreorx 3mo agoThere's only one thing that matters, that Siri would become an independent app that can see through its calling histories, which should have been done since the first day it launched.
- Frannky 3mo agoReady later this year... What I want from the phone are low-level APIs exposed to an agent I can talk/type to without lag. I wonder how long it will take or if a new AI phone will come before these features. I would love Siri working because Apple's design and hardware are good.
- chopete3 3mo agoThey better make it really good. Most kids get their facts from it. One has to argue with their kids when it gives wrong information. 87% US teenagers own an iPhone. ~35% teens own an Apple Watch.
- erickhill 3mo agoQuite possibly one of the most lackluster WWDC's I can remember. And I've been a fan of Apple/Mac since the late 80s. Hmph. That said, I'm THRILLED they claimed to "fix" the border radius snafu of Tahoe. Go ahead and push that now with the next Security fix. We won't mind at all.
- zmmmmm 3mo agoIt's interesting how anemic the use cases seem to be - we see the same things recycled over and over: "reword my email", "remove object from picture", "add a reminder", "summarise my text message which was already only 20 words long" etc etc. As if these are the major problems in people's lives. I really feel like there's a fascinating valley of death between simple things that actually work and things of real value that are actually still beyond the horizon. They either aren't reliable enough, aren't accessible to the tech, or exceed the sophistication of our existing trust models. For example, I'm planning a trip. Booking a multiday holiday - there's a real beast that is time consuming, complex and painful. I test out the AI tools. They fail. Hard. Hallucinations all over the place, false confidence, inability to act, inability of me to trust their actions. It's just nowhere near practical utility yet. Not "nearly there" but "not nearly half way there". I got the top tier of Gemini AI. Can it rent me a car? "As an AI I can absolutely guide you through the process of renting the car, but I can't physically access the web site or type in the details for you".
- idle_zealot 3mo agoEven the aspirational use cases you're talking about basically are just "digital secretary." There's a massive problem with that even if the models end up being capable in the future. The value of a secretary is that you know them, they know you, and you trust them to do things right. There are stakes if they don't. No company can provide that as a service at scale for everyone without it being a disaster. Not because it's not technically possible, but because of the incentives. That much power over the details of so many people's lives is irresistible; there will be persistent temptation to use it. The presence of that possibility makes the secretary impossible to trust.
- cjonas 3mo agoThese use cases will just be built as "open source" (openclawd) or even custom one off application in the future. I've been building apps to run the tedious parts of my life recently. Meal planning, personal finance, bills, tax organization... Why would I pay for services that will be enshiftified when I can build a app that does exactly what I want in an afternoon. Yes the code is shit and it wouldn't scale... But it doesn't need to
- brtkwr 3mo agoSiri AI is a mouthful… they should have kept it simple and stuck with Siri
- nomilk 3mo agoI placed eggs into boiling water and because my hands were wet I used voice and said "hey Siri, start a timer". It replied "you'll have to unlock your iPhone first", so I hovered my face over the bench the phone was sitting on, then the screen rattled and prompted for the numeric passcode. Ugh.. Using Siri essentially required me to use my hands anyway, so what's the point of voice? I'd very seriously consider moving away from iPhone to a device that treats voice AI as a first class citizen (presently I mapped the 'double back tap' to open grok voice chat, and triple back tap to end it, which is a wonderful improvement over not having these, as you can do that pretty easily, even while driving etc).
- zombot 3mo agoDon't do back taps require hands?
- nomilk 3mo agoThey do (one hand), but it doesn't require anything precise (like finding the app and clicking on it, which you can't really do while driving). If Siri could open an AI voice chat, that would awesome. But I'm not counting on that within this decade.
- bsiverly 3mo agoThe ability to tap into on-device foundation models within apps is pretty baller. The rest is banal
- pprotas 3mo agoNo mention of making my homepod mini “Truly helpful”, so I’ll stick to just sticking timers, I guess.
- jdthedisciple 3mo agopardon me but I'm not getting it, what's new or exciting about it (supposedly)?
- Geee 3mo agoNo, I don't want Apple to read all my emails, text messages and photos. I'm probably not going to buy Apple devices any more if it really works like this, by default sending all your data into their cloud. If I want to use AI, I want to be able to select the exact messages / photos which I want to send to it. Otherwise I expect the device to keep the data protected. I don't need any of these features either; I can remember if someone sent me a cookie recipe.
- camillomiller 3mo agoYou might want to so some research. It’s the only company with a level of privacy on this. Most of it is on-device. Private cloud compute does not store anything. I dunno man, you could criticize 360 aspects of this presentation but you pick privacy, really?
- Geee 3mo agoIt can make on-device tool calls using your data (web search, database search, email, app APIs) which are not private. PCC doesn't protect against being dumb with your data. E.g. "the user asks if their Bitcoin private key is unique, let's make a web search".
- dyauspitr 3mo agoApple is not reading anything.
- fny 3mo agoWe need Siri API. Features like this are nonsensical in an era where I can wish up any feature or workflow for an app. People outside HN will begin to expect they can do anything with a computer in the same way they expect to be able to say anything in a support chat. Using pre-LLM automated chat feels like a joke. You enter the chat expecting to having a conversation and instead you get a GUI phone tree. This is exactly how it feels to use any of the AI tous from Big Tech and others. We have entered the era of deeply personal computing. There are so many incredibly personal features that no mega corp could ever be expected to build. Now that lay people can build things, let them! There's a podcast that I listen to which is translated to a bunch of different languages. It's exclusively on Spotify with no RSS feed. I have a cron that checks daily passes it to an LLM and notifies me as necessary. I did not code a line. I only set up an OAuth endpoint. Enabling your customers to do things like this will make them incredibly sticky too! So please for the love of God, let me glue Siri into whatever I want.
- uni_baconcat 3mo agoIt looks useful. But the demonstration this year is way below my expectations. They barely show any live demo, even few screenshots.
- kingreflex 3mo agofor olders iphone models - i am on 15 - are they allowing any sort of extensions? that would allow some apps to make use of of to build things like better speech recognition etc.. i was waiting for siri update and bummed it is not supported on 15. when i use my native language (i mostly do it when in carplay) to search songs etc.. it gets it wrong a lot of times. + a more integrated into things like imessages, whatsapp etc..
- ProofHouse 3mo ago'later this year' lol uh ya, ok apple (only had 3-5 already to make it even a 1-10 usable)
- port11 3mo agoHopefully it’s an app that can be uninstalled on macOS, where I use almost none of Apple’s own apps, yet are prevented from removing them (unlike on iOS).
- deanc 3mo agoI've not seen anyone discuss yet what kind of impact these AI features are likely to have on battery life. If they are running small on-device models, this will have a measurable impact on battery life with regular usage.
- sammy2255 3mo agoTo this day, Siri does not understand "Subtract 5 minutes off my timer" when having an active timer
- liamwire 3mo agoI tried this on the iOS 27 beta with Siri AI and it worked, to an approximation. It'll take 5 minutes from the original timer just fine, but not from the remaining time no matter which way I phrase it. Still, a massive improvement in my eyes.
- Tepix 3mo agoThey promised Apple Intelligence with iPhone 15 Pro and more recent models. Now [relevant parts of] Siri AI is restricted to iPhone 17 / iPhone Air and more recent models. People who believed Apple and bought an iPhone 16 to use with Apple Intelligence are getting the shaft.
- MattDamonSpace 3mo agoThere are active lawsuits
- michaericalribo 3mo agoGet a whole $25-$95! https://clarksonlawfirm.com/lp/apple-intelligence-false-advertising/ https://clarksonlawfirm.com/lp/apple-intelligence-false-adve...
- vkondenko 3mo agoI'll probably get downvoted, but my guess is that they realized they need a cutting-edge local model that would only work decently on the most powerful iPhones. And I see why Apple would choose to give no AI at all rather than use a weaker model that will hinder user experience.
- rTX5CMRXIfFG 3mo agoWhat Apple said was that on-device models would be from the iPhone Air/17 Pro models and newer. That doesn't mean that the iPhone 15 Pro to 16 wouldn't get Apple Intelligence via Private Cloud Compute, though that probably means they won't have on-device models. I don't remember the marketing for those phones promising on-device models, just Apple Intelligence capabilities in general.
- post-it 3mo agoI have an iPhone 16 and I don't feel like I'm getting the shaft. It sounds like there's one specific customization thing that'll only work on the pro models? Not an issue. At some point in a few years I'll buy a new phone and it'll be the latest again, and then it won't be.
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- BonerWiener 3mo ago> Create useful shortcuts with ease, update passwords with just a tap, and find relevant emails faster than ever Can't wait for unexpected password updates and naughty mails accidentally sent to my boss...
- haritha-j 3mo agoThe only way Siri will meaningfully save my time would be if it could doomscroll for me. All of the things Siri claims to automate here would save me maybe a couple of minutes total over a week, wouldn't make the tiniest dent in my screen time.
- jorisw 3mo ago> if it could doomscroll for me I don't understand. Are you so little in control of your own self that you now need an embedded AI to do something for you that was already a complete waste of time and energy? Just delete the apps.
- haritha-j 3mo agoThe point I was trying to make was that consumer AI on mobile devices won't save people time in any significant way because people don't spend a lot of time on their phone doing things that are automatable. Everything mentioned here is a tiny portion of people's phone use compared to things like doomscrolling, video calls etc. So there is no real value to any of these tools.
- renatovico 3mo agothe same :'( what i really expected from Siri, - Siri please suggest an organization for this folder - Siri over my last work in this app can summarize what i am struggle ? Pro active: - Hey, the last hour you exchange 30 mails from the same subject, i look with your team ai and all have same struggle, based your key points in communication is X,Y,Z, this an mail for final align - Your and your partner don't have quality time in last day, i see has the seat available in your favorites restaurant for next hour do you want made an appointment ?
- mittermayr 3mo agoComing this fall... In "English" later this year... We've heard that before, haven't we, Apple? I feel the right way to fix the trust issues would be to announce this when it's actually done. Like, here's Siri AI, and you can download and use it, right now.
- throwfaraway4 3mo agoYou can. Install the beta
- mittermayr 3mo agoEU. iPhone 13 Pro. Not complaining, but I can't really.
- camgunz 3mo agoIt's bananas to me that people want to put LLMs in critical software paths when the 2nd most valuable company on Earth can't do more than the most basic shit with them. Like, look at this list of actions: - Take a selfie - Create a reminder - Call Vicki - Rotate photo left - Create a new event (do you create an old event?) - Send an email - Resume my podcast - Create a note - Add photo to album ...can't iOS do literally every one of those things already? What the fuck is happening?
- gadders 3mo agoDoes the UK get this new AI and not the EU?
- sidcool 3mo agoHow come Apple has become so slow in shopping compared to equivalent companies like Google and Microsoft
- martin_drapeau 3mo agoWhat is not demoed are basic AI capabilities I need today to effeciently use my iPhone. Examples: - Siri, send the latest 20VC podcast to my watch. I'm going jogging. - Siri, do not start Apple Music. I do not use that app. Start Podcast. - Spell check and Auto-Correction on iMessage should support French and English. I switch from the 2 all the time. - Etc... I'm sure you guys have tons of others to list.
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- podgorniy 3mo ago__Truly helpful__ it's funny to think about reasons people put these words there
- rambojohnson 3mo agosloppy mc-slop. dogshit nobody needs. AI is innovating horizontally, like web frameworks.