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Someone at YouTube needs glasses

• SnorkelTan 1y ago
  I'm not a webdev, but I suspect an overwhelming majority of their traffic is on mobile devices. So that's where a majority of eng time is probably spent. Not that it shouldn't be fixed.
• mitthrowaway2 1y ago
  I noticed this exact same thing! I looked in every menu for the setting to change it back. Nothing.
• blahaj 1y ago
  > Unfortunately, using an advanced analytics package I’ve projected that around May 2026 the YouTube homepage will just be one video, and by September there will be no videos at all on the homepage. Doesn't exactly that already exist with TikTok?
  • jsheard 1y ago
    It already exists on YouTube under the Shorts tab, which is just "we have TikTok at home".
• anentropic 1y ago
  Yes this change is super annoying
• herpdyderp 1y ago
  You can insert (and tweak) this into uBlock Origin filters: ! YouTube Fix & Customization by Arch v1.8.4 ! (1/11) YouTube 4 Videos Per Row Fix (Home and Channel Pages) / YouTube Fix & Customization youtube.com##ytd-rich-grid-row, #contents.ytd-rich-grid-row:style(display:contents !important;) youtube.com##ytd-rich-grid-renderer, html:style(--ytd-rich-grid-items-per-row: 5 !important;) youtube.com##ytd-rich-grid-renderer, html:style(--ytd-rich-grid-posts-per-row: 5 !important;) (source: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/1g5l9mc/comment/lsgnr02/ https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/1g5l9mc/comment/ls...)
  • LargoLasskhyfv 1y ago
    Another source from there: https://old.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/1fkkcn1/youtube_desktop_only_displaying_three_videos_per/lnw8xu0/ https://old.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/1fkkcn1/youtube_de...
  • a123b456c 1y ago
    Didn't the new Chrome update break uBlock, or is that just for my test cell? I've been in mourning...
    • orev 1y ago
      Vote with your clicks. Switch to Firefox
    • ge96 1y ago
      re-enable it or if not there is ublock origin lite which I believe is legit
      • celsoazevedo 1y ago
        > ublock origin lite which I believe is legit It is, just not as capable as before due to the Manifest v3 changes.
    • satiated_grue 1y ago
      Yes, but it still works fine with Firefox.
      • bloppe 1y ago
        That's not the only extension Firefox still allows that's blocked in Chrome. FF also blocks 3rd party cookies and has shown no interest in Google's "privacy sandbox" tracking features. Funny how much better a browser can be without a massive conflict of interest
        • lolinder 1y ago
• puttycat 1y ago
  The YouTube abominations keep piling up: Vertical videos on a desktop, endless ads (thanks to the Chrome manifest change that disables decent adblockers), useless feed. I highly recommend installing an extension that hides the home feed and sidebar recommendations, which at least makes YT non-distracting again.
  • wsc981 1y ago
    I think in (South-East) Asia the people like vertical videos for some reason. Seems how many people record videos on their phones - at least in Thailand.
    • michaelteter 1y ago
      I don’t have the numbers, but I’m pretty sure that Asia (lots of people) use phones as their primary (sole, even) device. Since a phone can show portrait or landscape videos in fullscreen (just hold the phone vertically or horizontally), it makes sense to shoot in whatever orientation fits the content or situation best. The real problem is that computer monitors don’t easily offer orientation switching :)
      • soylentcola 1y ago
        > shoot in whatever orientation fits the content or situation best. I'm with you there. It's the same for shooting still photos. ...but that doesn't stop people from shooting portrait video and then constantly panning back and forth because the whole (crowd, landscape, giant sea monster, whatever) doesn't fit in the frame.
    • cardanome 1y ago
      The most infuriating thing is that there is no technical reason for vertical filming sucking so much. The phone camera sensors often have a aspect ration of 4:3 but the sides are cropped in software. So the videos just get mutilated because convention. Though at least 4:3 format is making a come-back because it is the prefect comprise format. Looks great on a tablet, is usable in both landscape and portrait mode. On Desktop it leave space to read comments. Perfect for youtube videos.
• datax2 1y ago
  I'm not a fan of this trend either. My suspicion is this change is to increase scrolling to pump more ad space; it makes sense from a business standpoint. But this combined with the Algo changes makes it hard to keep coming back looking for new content VS just consuming the people/content I know and enjoy.
  • adamc 1y ago
    Makes sense and yet it doesn't, because the more they degrade my experience, the more I turn away from youtube.
• jessyco 1y ago
  I wish we could go back; A lot of googles UI/UX is based on the next billion users experiences. I'm unsure how much influence this has on a day to day design choices they make. My experience right now on a 1440p monitor is 5 visible videos, 2 video ads, a ton of tags that I can't turn off for finding videos. There are a ton of great UI/UX choices they've done over the years too; I just wish we had more options as a users.
• shanehoban 1y ago
  Glad I'm not the only one who noticed and hates this change!
• mmmlinux 1y ago
  Doesnt doing this make youtube impressions go up, since they are showing you the video with less immediate competition around it.
  • jonny_eh 1y ago
    Fewer thumbnails mean impressions go down
• qoez 1y ago
  This https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/unhook-remove-youtube-rec/khncfooichmfjbepaaaebmommgaepoid?pli=1 https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/unhook-remove-youtu... and yt-dlp to download things from only subscriptions that interest me (and watch later offline) changed my life.
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• iMerNibor 1y ago
  What gets me the thumbnails are now so big, they're blurry since the images need to be stretched to fit now! The preview is 530x300px on a 1920x1080 screen vs the image shown being 336x188px How this passed any sort of QA is beyond me
  • jsheard 1y ago
    They clearly need to conserve bandwidth for the most important assets - the 12 whole megabytes of Javascript.
    • jmb99 1y ago
      Genuine question. I’m assuming that, since YouTube is owned by one of the largest tech companies in the world that they’ve optimized their delivered JS to only what is necessary to run the page. What on the YouTube home page could possibly require 12MB of JS alone? Assuming 60 characters per line, that’s 200k lines of code? Obviously ballpark and LoC != complexity, but that seems absurd to me.
      • jsheard 1y ago
        Fun fact: Googles own web performance team recommends avoiding YouTube embeds because they're so obscenely bloated. Placing their <iframe> on a page will pull in about 4MB of assets, most of which is Javascript, even if the user never plays the video. https://developer.chrome.com/docs/lighthouse/performance/third-party-facades https://developer.chrome.com/docs/lighthouse/performance/thi... YouTubes frontend people just don't care about bloat, even when other Googlers are yelling at them to cut it out.
        • leptons 1y ago
          We lazy-load Youtube iframes, fixes the problem pretty easily.
          • jsheard 1y ago
• jeffbee 1y ago
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  • ThrowawayTestr 1y ago
    Look at the screenshots and tell me that's good design.
    • jeffbee 1y ago
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      • SirFatty 1y ago
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      • sevg 1y ago
        > Person on the Internet sure thinks their personal preferences are powerful and universal. > maximized viewport on a 32" monitor is pretty moronic Sure seems like you think your “personal preferences are powerful and universal” ;)
  • y-c-o-m-b 1y ago
    Yet the number of points being accumulated on the thread is rapidly increasing and you're getting down-voted. It would seem you did not reflect on your comments before writing and publishing them.
• geuis 1y ago
  Their mobile site is also terrible. It's like the designers forgot that people watch videos in landscape mode. For example, comments won't load unless you rotate to portrait mode first. I mean, come on.
  • jeffbee 1y ago
    Mobile web? On the Android app you can definitely put the comments side-by-side with a landscape video.
  • meroes 1y ago
    Haha so it’s not just me with that issue
  • calf 1y ago
    Their TV app changed grid layout of playlists to list that scrolls down so slowly, this makes my 100+ video playlist useless! Argh.
  • andypants 1y ago
    Also when clicking from a search result to a video, it replaces the url instead of pushing to navigation history. So when I click into a video and try to go back, it takes me to the homepage instead of the search results! It only happens on mobile!
• dmart 1y ago
  My guess would be that this is in support of the preview hover feature. For a while now, you can watch an entire video just by hovering over it, complete with captions, scrubbing and audio. This wouldn't be very useful if the thumbnails were still tiny like in the past. Personally, I like this feature and don't often need to look at tons of thumbnails at once, but to each their own.
• voytec 1y ago
  FYI: YouTube provides RSS feed for every channel. The URL is as follows: https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=CHANNEL_ID And without downloading with yt-dlp, videos can be watched from youtube-nocookie.com in full-window mode (no distractions) under: https://cinemaphile.com/watch?v=VIDEO_ID
  • entropie 1y ago
    You can use the wonderful mpv player to view videos directly from a yt-url (yt-dlp backend).
  • avipars 1y ago
    i made a tool to extract the rss feed from a channel too! https://shorts.aviparshan.com/rss-feed https://shorts.aviparshan.com/rss-feed
  • eddyg 1y ago
    The excellent “Play”⁽¹⁾ app (available for iOS, macOS, Apple TV and Vision Pro) can also use these feeds, plus give you the ability to conveniently save other videos to “watch later”. Highly recommended! ⁽¹⁾ https://marcosatanaka.com/ https://marcosatanaka.com/
    • grobibi 1y ago
      In addition to the main purchase price, this app charges 3.99/month for: -following channels -following playlists -removing shorts and many more features on top of those.
      • microflash 1y ago
        There’s open source Unwatched[1] if you want something for free. [1]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/unwatched-for-youtube/id6477287463 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/unwatched-for-youtube/id647728...
  • Fiely 1y ago
    In the past several months, I've moved to using an RSS Reader + Watch Later Playlist + DF Tube extension (you could use whatever to nuke parts of the UI you dislike). This has greatly improved how I use YouTube. This method allows me to be significantly more intentional with what I'm watching and how much time I'm spending. The only frustrating part is that YT shorts still come through RSS, but they are much easier to avoid in a reader than YT's UI.
• brendanfinan 1y ago
  YouTube is removing videos and moving to Shorts-only in a couple months, so this shouldn't be an issue for long
  • herpdyderp 1y ago
    What does this mean? Does this mean that there will be no more video UI (only the shorts UI)? Does this mean that only shorts will show up on the homepage? etc. (Also a source would be nice.)
    • luxurytent 1y ago
      I think OP is being sarcastic, throwing a hint to how popular TikTok (and thus short videos) are over long form content
    • akulkar4 1y ago
      Parent comment needs a /s.
      • enlyth 1y ago
        Does it though? It's blatantly obvious sarcasm
  • markus_zhang 1y ago
    OK finally something to cute my addiction.
  • deleted 1y ago
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  • enlyth 1y ago
    The most placebo button I've ever seen is that "Don't show Shorts" where it says something like "We'll show you less Shorts" and then they reappear 30 minutes later I guess every content platform is moving to forcefully shoving slop into your face now
  • jaydenmilne 1y ago
• insin 1y ago
  I make an extension which lets you fix this to your liking (choose the minimum number of videos you want per row, while also fixing the spacing issues overriding the underlying --ytd-rich-grid-items-per-row CSS variable causes), plus many, many more annoyances and what I felt were missing options and features for YouTube, like being able to completely hide Shorts: https://soitis.dev/control-panel-for-youtube https://soitis.dev/control-panel-for-youtube Edit: for comparison with the screenshot in TFA, this is my Home feed on a 14" MacBook. No Shorts, no Mixes, videos which are 85% (configurable) watched or more are hidden, stream VODs from channels which also stream, Movies and TV, and any channels "Don't recommend channel" refuses to work on, can all be hidden for you: https://imgur.com/LUnpz9e https://imgur.com/LUnpz9e
• markus_zhang 1y ago
  I actually didn't notice until recently. Guess I'm also in the test group. I wonder what's the purpose of this A/B test? Definitely has nothing to do with revenue, right? So what could it be? More engagement? I doubt that few seconds added upon more scrolling won't be much. Retention? Hard to tell.
• Twirrim 1y ago
  As a subscriber, I get 6 algorithm suggested videos (even split 50/50 on subscribed vs suggested). Then of course the content is also routinely interrupted by rows that take up more space than a row of video suggestions: * Premium movie suggestions, which also manages to take up half the width with just two sentences: "Discover your next favourite movie. Watch without ads, included with your Premium membership" * Shorts, despite me continually pressing the triple dots and saying "Stop showing me this crap". * Interactive Apps (same, I keep saying "not interested" or whatever variant message it shows me). I think I'm more irritated that youtube gives me the choice to say "don't show me this" and ignores it, than I would be by not having a choice in the first place.
  • PeterStuer 1y ago
    Let's not forget 'shorts' Yes, you can hide them, but they will be back there the next session.
• bravetraveler 1y ago
  List view, gang
• eraviloi 1y ago
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• sailfast 1y ago
  So who is building their competitor? Any shot in hell at this because of their huge library?
  • SmartestUnknown 1y ago
    I think it is not just the library but the huge costs associated with storage, encoding and bandwidth. YouTube has innovated significantly to make it as cheap as possible to run such a service and it is likely that it would take an enormous amount of money for any competitor to replicate it. (Disclaimer: I work at Google but no connection to YouTube)
  • bluGill 1y ago
    Peertube is trying. There are a bunch of different servers with some interesting content. Some is the keyword here. As you say youtube's huge library is a hard thing to compete with. Still I've found some good content there and I make it a point to look at peertube first to reward those who are there with my eyes.
    • boramalper 1y ago
      I wish PeerTube had a "flagship" instance like mastodon.social [0] for Mastodon or lemmy.world [1] for Lemmy. The lack of a generalist instance with open sign-ups hinders the adoption. [0] https://mastodon.social/ https://mastodon.social/ [1] https://lemmy.world/ https://lemmy.world/
  • slater 1y ago
    of course there are competitors, but they're either pay-to-play (Vimeo?), or overrun with fash or fash-adjacent content (Rumble, etc.)
  • bobsmooth 1y ago
    There is no competitor. Video hosting is too expensive.
• lukaslalinsky 1y ago
  The nastiest trick for me is that no matter how times I tell YouTube not to show me shorts on the home page, they always sneak back in.
  • kotaKat 1y ago
    Yeah, they changed it to “stop showing as often”. I love the gaslighting forced features, so much…
  • hansvm 1y ago
    The "fix" I've seen them testing is changing the wording to "show less shorts."
  • chanux 1y ago
    The top tier engineers were struggling to make it so that auto-play would stay off. This is no surprise.
    • stephen_g 1y ago
      It turns itself back on for me so frequently that I'm sure they must be intentionally having the site reset that preference... I hate it with a passion. Now when I go on mobile Safari and want to switch off 'video previews' (for the thousandth time), and I tap the switch, it stays switched on but the 'Settings saved' thing comes up on the bottom. You have to tap it again to actually switch it off. I wonder if that's a bug or intentional too now...
• Starlevel004 1y ago
  It used to be 12 videos until about a year ago. If you zoom in and out the thumbnails don't change size! The worst casualty of the current design is the search. You get three videos before it inserts completely irrelevant and unrelated algorithmic recommendations. No? Fuck off? Do what I tell you to do!
  • zippergz 1y ago
    Yes, this search thing is absolutely infuriating.
    • codedokode 1y ago
      They think that people are idiots and unable to deal with more that 3 search results. Or maybe they think their search is so good that the wanted video is always within those 3.
      • subscribed 1y ago
        No, they promote algorithmic "results" because they care about money from ads.
  • swatcoder 1y ago
    > Do what I tell you to do! Maybe a good opportunity to remember that you watching the videos you want to watch is actually just a workaround Google suffers through in the YouTube product. They have to do it so that you come to the site, but it costs them money and makes it harder for them to optimize the revenue they get from your eyeballs. Strycturally, their goal is to push the line as far as they can, and they spend a lot of product design and engineering effort to do so. They're only going to get better at it as time goes by. And of course this principle doesn't just apply to YouTube, but at pretty much all media sites once they get large enough to pivot from growing their audience to optimizing its profitability.
    • titzer 1y ago
      > is actually just a workaround Google suffers through in the YouTube product. It used to be a Google mantra that "focus on the user and all else will follow." They are so far beyond that they've wrapped around. They actively hate users now. All Google really cares about is making advertisers happy. Literally nothing else registers as a priority.
• mirrorlake 1y ago
  I quite like the 2x3 grid of videos. No complaints, actually.
  • CryZe 1y ago
    It's 1.5x3 if you have a 21:9 screen. It's so bad.
    • mirrorlake 1y ago
      Yeah, the Steam HW survey shows that 16:9 resolutions form a majority (60%+) of their users with 1080p + 4K, so it makes sense as a default design choice for a company that only wants to target one ratio. As a former user of 16:10, I feel your pain, though.
• vinnymac 1y ago
  I can't speak for the desktop experience lately, but just last weekend I opened the YouTube app on iOS to this peak user experience: https://files.catbox.moe/vzo65c.JPG https://files.catbox.moe/vzo65c.JPG
  • cucubeleza 1y ago
    well at least was funny
  • spartanatreyu 1y ago
    Apple will need to make the modal backgrounds animated and customised with each user's background image to make these fake popups more obvious.
  • Too 1y ago
    Wow, that's just a blatant scam. Wakes up bad memories of the old Windows XP days, when this type of trick was used everywhere. And people wonder why we use adblock. Google (the most wealthy company on earth) will of course claim they don't have the resources to review them, when the truth is they are happy to reap their profits from scamming old people. Same with Facebook, happy to serve ads that lure old people into logging in to fake banks and get all their savings stolen. There's probably a rule against apps impersonating the OS on the App Store, one could only wish for Apple using a more heavy hand against this type of "experience".
• gh0stcat 1y ago
  This reminds me of Pinterest, a platform I used to love for finding art and inspirational content as an artist myself. Without ad blockers, I would say 1/3 to 1/2 of all “pins” or images are actually ads, some of which are the nefarious “shopping” ads which look just like images and when clicked, take you directly to the sellers site. With the ad blocker, it is full of weird holes that just make the page look terrible. It feels honestly terrible as a consumer to have the experience degraded this much, its like having a storefront and half of the items on display are actually garbage you need to toss aside. And unfortunately there isn’t an obvious better choice or option. Also don’t even get me started on the scammy ads that are ai generated images or just all of the pins that are ai generated slop…
• rozab 1y ago
  For a long time the grid of videos on the homepage has been slightly misaligned. I imagine the different rows belong to different teams. This means you can't hover your mouse in the gaps between columns while you scroll to prevent videos autoplaying when moused over. I find the autoplay so annoying because it hides the thumbnail which was carefully designed to communicate why I should click on the video and replaces it with, usually, a talking head or stock footage. Often the video gets inexplicably added to my watch history, and if I do choose to click on it I have to go back to the beginning because I missed the start of the audio
  • kotaKat 1y ago
    THIS. THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS. This has been one of the most frustrating things I run into with Youtube scrolling the page. Can’t leave your cursor on the page while scrolling without managing to have the spacing shift the thumbnails just so slightly so that your cursor lands back into a thumbnail for an autoplay to start and add to the metrics.
    • gwbas1c 1y ago
      It's even worse on mobile. You don't even need to hover for an autoplay video to show in your history.
    • jtbayly 1y ago
      I can’t think of other examples, but this exact problem is a constant frustration for me on multiple sites. I can’t scroll with my cursor on the page without crap happening that I don’t want to happen. As to the reason, at least with Youtube and Facebook, the answer is obvious: they want to increase their ad revenue by claiming additional “plays” or “interactions” or whatever they want to call it today. I remember realizing several times over the years that I had been conned when I paid for ads. The top-level numbers looked good, but when I dug in, I realized they were all faked.
      • krisoft 1y ago
        > I can’t scroll with my cursor on the page without crap happening that I don’t want to happen. Same stuff with the mobile youtube app. If you so much as graze the screen anywhere while watching a video the replay speed doubles. This is so sensitive that even a tiny unintentional finger touch, or a water droplet landing on the screen triggers it. Whoever thought that is a good idea as a feature, i can’t comprehend. Plus they have no data to see how badly their feature annoys me. From a metrics perspective “the user wanted to fast forward for 5s” looks the same as “a careless finger cradling the phone triggered the fast forward and it took the user 5s to realise what is going on and adjust their hold, now they are annoyed at how fragile this app is”. Someone might have even used the statistics of all the inadvertent activations in their promo package to show what a popular feature they made!
• InMice 1y ago
  Thank you for writing this post! I opened youtube a few days ago to this as well. On a 24" 1440p monitor its ridiculous. It's incomprehensible there's a UI/UX team that gets paid millions of dollars per year and the result is changes like this. Thank you again for writing this post. After searching it seems like they've been "testing" this in segments for a while now. As a result I installed the "Control Panel for Youtube" chrome plugin and Im able to fix it back to 6 videos per row. I also found I could make shorts play in the traditional youtube player by default - which is an added relief.
  • jeffbee 1y ago
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    • hackeman300 1y ago
      Perhaps the incentives of said UX team don't align with those of the user. They might be optimizing for maximal time spent on the site, for instance.
      • jaydenmilne 1y ago
        Yup, and that's what I meant by them turning the pain dial all the way towards money. Presumably they can run A/B tests and will no doubt be able to prove that this change makes them $X more money (since it's 1/6 a full screen ad after all). At the cost of being a miserable tasteless change. The YouTube team has been blindly chasing monetization at the expense of their website being useful and pleasant for a while now. Unfortunately it seems they can get away with it. I wrote this post to just shake my fist at the cloud
    • mystified5016 1y ago
      Microsoft's adware and spyware was designed by one of the wealthiest companies in the world, so it's good for you. Google's ad business is the most sophisticated on the planet, so their spying and tracking and reporting your location to the government is good for you, you're just too dumb to understand. The USA, one of the most powerful and advanced countries in the world has suspended FDA testing of dairy. Since you can't possibly know better, this must be a good thing. This is called "appeal to authority" and it's a pretty unintelligent logical fallacy. Do better next time. Maybe read a book or two?
• the_other 1y ago
  Vote with your attention.
• dcchambers 1y ago
  I am BEGGING someone, anyone at Google/YouTube to let me permanently disable YouTube Shorts. I HATE Short form video content and no matter how many times I select "show me less of this" I still get them front and center when I open the app or website.
  • unclad5968 1y ago
    If you're on android you can use screenzen. Not sure if they have an ios app.
  • timbit42 1y ago
    Have you looked at the "YouTube-shorts block" add-on?
    • louthy 1y ago
      Not the OP, but I want to turn off Shorts too. I do most of my youtube access via Apple TV -- where Shorts are particularly annoying when scrolling through Subscriptions -- so this wouldn't be an option. It just needs to be a preference!
    • 0cf8612b2e1e 1y ago
      Not the OP, but I have given up on trusting low-audience browser extensions. Too many stories of the author selling out and injecting analytics/malware into the product.
      • xmprt 1y ago
        What I've been doing is using high audience extensions (like Tampermonkey) and getting ChatGPT to write a script for it which does what I need it to. Much more effective and trustworthy than relying on another extension developer. If Tampermonkey can't do it then I'll just write the entire extension on my own and load it as a developer extension.
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• presbyterian 1y ago
  I've stopped using YouTube directly. This is only for Apple users, but I started using the app Play[1]. It manages my subscriptions, keeps a watch later list (with smart tags and filtering, if you'd like), and you can even play videos directly in the app (and it remembers your place, better than YouTube itself does sometimes), though I still open it in the browser so I can use SponsorBlock. [1]: https://marcosatanaka.com/#play https://marcosatanaka.com/#play
• meltyness 1y ago
  Yeah this is late-stage 'growth.' Hamstring your other products to reconcentrate activity, 'rebalance' usage to Shorts content by making the original offering, long-form content less usable, lower quality, less interesting; and so shall it remain until some congress finally forces these players cut a dividend instead of this moronic buybacks situation, hysterical that <well-liked female northeast senator and presidential primary candidate whose policy positions had been featured here> abruptly stopped talking about this for no apparent reason. It's kind of conceptually like a Shepard's tone, though, which is maybe interesting.
• II2II 1y ago
  On the extrapolation to zero videos by September 2026: it is already here. Seriously. Clear your cookies or open a private window. All of the videos are replaced by the message "Try searching to get started". Granted, as someone who clears cookies regularly, I like the change.
  • kccqzy 1y ago
    I like that too. It reminds me of the classic Google home page: just a search bar so you have to search to get started.
  • jaydenmilne 1y ago
    Its oddly relaxing. As an aside, this is something I've noticed recently switching to KDE from Windows/OSX No one is trying to get me to do anything with my computer to pump their metrics. You log in the first time, there's a little welcome popup, and that's it. You are now free to use your computer as you wish. It's oddly stressful being a rat in a bunch of PM's maze.
    • 3D39739091 1y ago
      This is exactly the best part about the Linux experience right now. There is nothing that's there because a PM is trying to get a promotion.
    • Too 1y ago
      I had the same revelation when doing the opposite, using Windows for two days after using Linux for years. It's a constant stream of attention grabbing distractions, questions and notifications. I don't even know what they are all doing. Like why does the graphics driver has it's own update mechanism and its own tray icon, why am i being asked to put the application as a desktop shortcut, why is the start menu rotating ads and news next to my applications. Some of them are not even metric pumping, it's just bad design. And that's just the start, the things getting in the way of you actually doing your job just don't end. Never again.
  • jaydenmilne 1y ago
    "Feed Me Seymour"
• troupo 1y ago
  Here are more screenshots/data points https://x.com/nikitonsky/status/1916085438915150006 https://x.com/nikitonsky/status/1916085438915150006
• jszymborski 1y ago
  Another reason to use FreeTube. https://freetubeapp.io/ https://freetubeapp.io/
• radicality 1y ago
  If you have a FireTV stick or something Android based for your TV, I can recommend SmartTubenext for browsing/watching YouTube. I still use AppleTV for pretty much everything else, but got a firetv stick just to use that. https://github.com/yuliskov/SmartTube https://github.com/yuliskov/SmartTube
• pimlottc 1y ago
  It's because they want you to get hooked when the videos auto-play on hover, and that's less likely with small thumbnails.
• asdfman123 1y ago
  Fun thing to open first thing in the morning as I wait for my coffee to brew at YouTube
• segphault 1y ago
  The quality of the content on YouTube has declined so aggressively that the terrible UX almost doesn’t even matter anymore. They optimize to promote the most cancerous, low-effort, viral clickbait trash and the algorithm makes it incredibly difficult for anything else to survive or be discoverable. The culture of YouTube is absolutely vile.
  • bluGill 1y ago
    Turn off watch history. That disables the homepage. Which in turn means you only see things you directly link to, or things you have subscribed to (after going to the subscriptions page).
    • bromuro 1y ago
      Yet the app is so bad that after switching to the iOS home screen, it forgets the video you were watching and goes back to the home page. History at least allows you to find it again and continue watching. I don’t care about their “imposed” suggestions either , so it’s about choosing the less shitty experience.
      • bluGill 1y ago
        I have learned to use newpipe on my phone. But I use android and fdroid. I don't know how to work on ios
• Alifatisk 1y ago
  That advanced analytics package for projection gave me a good chuckle
• kelvinjps10 1y ago
  Idk but I prefer the modern one as the other one I feel there are too many videos and I'm unable to see them well
• bunderbunder 1y ago
  And on the iOS app, I can now only see 1.5 at a time because the thumbnails are so huge. Which is somehow still an upgrade over the last version of the UI, where the titles of the videos were getting clipped off after about 16 characters.
• guywithahat 1y ago
  > I miss YouTube before they turned the pain dial all the way towards money. The worst part is everyone who tries to compete quickly turns the pain dial up to 11 as well. I realize YouTube existed for many years as a Google subsidized product, but Rumble is the best competitor we have and they can get quite annoying as well.
• ringeryless 1y ago
  almost like they think a desktop monitor is a portrait mode phone screen... it's not like we dont have media query API, google, but hey, it fits with the general dumbing down and phonification of all interfaces that should have stopped by now. it's not like they don't have 3 layout sizes already enshrined, it's that they are forcing the desktop layout to act like a portrait mode phone screen for no apparent reason other than trying to be on trend with enshittification or somesuch.
• loosescrews 1y ago
  A 32” monitor should be 4k. If anyone needs glasses, it might be the author of this blog post as that is the typical market for low pixel density displays.
  • jaydenmilne 1y ago
    I agree, but I didn't buy this one
  • kasabali 1y ago
    1440p@32" is very close to 96 ppi (ie. pixel density as the god intended). If you want high density go full double at ~192 dpi so you get proper scaling. 4k@32" is a shitty in between resolution nobody has asked for.
• pizzathyme 1y ago
  I always laugh at these shots from the hip criticizing YouTube and Google. As though Google doesn't have a entire team of data scientists and top tier engineers managing this experiment and driving it to optimal results. (Spoiler: they do) If you don't like the service, you can stop using it. And if you do, they have already factored that into their metrics guardrail, and it was the right decision.
  • jaydenmilne 1y ago
    Yup! That's the point, I'm mourning what was and shaking my fist at a cloud. They're probably right by their metrics, they can probably rigorously prove this makes them more money. But I think its subjectively worse, it feels claustrophobic and prescriptive to me.
    • pizzathyme 1y ago
      Don't disagree at all
  • bluGill 1y ago
    I have a background in human machine interaction and I can tell you without even being there to tell you that a lot of changes didn't have proper UX design work done on them. Now they did have AB testing and likely are better at the metrics Google cares about: making money. However they are worse for users in ways that real user testing would catch. Again though, real user testing would likely cost them money.
    • pizzathyme 1y ago
      This is certainly true. UX design and user feedback is only one piece of Google's decision making process
  • mopsi 1y ago
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• constantcrying 1y ago
  Also disturbing is how absolutely awful it is at basic design. You can even see it on the screenshot that the Videos on the third row aren't properly aligned. This is one of the largest corporations in the world and they make one of the most visited sites on the entire internet look like it was someone's hobby project and they just couldn't be bothered to align things correctly. This is insane. The YouTube Startpage is incredibly bad in so many regards. Low in information density, full of things people do not want to see and fails at basic design. Even a basic, low effort redesign would be a major improvement.
• chao- 1y ago
  My YouTube changed recently from 6-wide to 4-wide. I wonder why I get 4 across instead of everyone else's 3? Still annoying, and I still much, much prefer 6 videos across.
• pier25 1y ago
  Absolutely. It's like they only test youtube on small laptop displays. So many websites are not tested on large monitors ffs. From the top of my head I remember the previous Gumroad marketing website. It looked terrible. Everything was huge. Even the new one doesn't work that well on a large monitor: https://gumroad.com/ https://gumroad.com/
• hkchad 1y ago
  This happened to me last week, used uBlock origin to set it back to 8 video's per row.
  • rcfox 1y ago
    Could you share how you did that?
• Yizahi 1y ago
  My homepage on 14" laptop has degraded from 12-16 previews (4 in row) to 9 (3 in row), lately since around late 2024 has a whopping 4 (four) previews. Amazing evolution. Such courage. Also there are bugs there, and after some magic combinations of clicks I sometimes see 9 grid, or even rarely a 16 grid. Though it lasts only for one session and I can't ever reproduce the bug. So the support is there, they made it shitty on purpose. And I even pay for that crap :(
• schnable 1y ago
  This inspired me to check out my YouTube.com home page, and I have zero videos. I just see a message telling me I should turn Watch History on.
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• alex1138 1y ago
  One thing that made Youtube work well in its early days was a robust and interesting recommendations system (for those who are old, like me). There was also a robust Trending section They chipped away and chipped away at the usefulness of Youtube and the recommendations got worse and worse (and sometimes blatantly corporate), then they lied about what was trending, and now it's just a mess (some of the recommendations can still be good). And I'll forever maintain they absolutely do regularly remove videos (or demonetize channels) for reasons of 'misinformation' (which they aren't, at least some of the time); they've taken an ideological stance. And there's a reason why the default homepage isn't your subscriptions page Companies do not listen to their users. I guess in part it's because if you did you'd have to take on board every asinine suggestion under the cover of "the customer is always right" but there's a middle ground, y'know? They just really don't seem to care, giving any sort of feedback is like screaming into the void
• rambambram 1y ago
  I thought it was just me experiencing this last week. I thought I accidentally changed some setting, even checked my browser's zoom mode, and then just lived with it. Also the lack of 'gutters' to lay my mouse cursor to rest while scrolling is annoying. But hey, I subscribed to your RSS feed. That's at least some good news.
• soegaard 1y ago
  FWIW - the YouTube app on Apple TV has a similar issue. The video previews are so large, that one can't get a proper overview.
• musesum 1y ago
  My chain of thought: 1) Aaron Marcus - who found optimal menu count to be 5 +/- 2 2) Magic number 7 +/- 2 3) Fitt's Law selectivity (bigger is easier) 4) Shared layout for mobile + desktop 5) I hate short form 6) Is 5) a non-sequitur? 7) No! I now have the attention span of a goldfish. 8) Maybe I should read a book
• jaggs 1y ago
  I hate to be that guy, but how many of us are actually paying for this service? Yeah we pay with ads and attention, but is there another company that's prepared to store over 500 hours of new content every single minute? Yeah it sucks, but free is as free does.
  • kcb 1y ago
    many of us, YouTube Premium is pretty popular.
    • jaggs 1y ago
      Wow, really? That genuinely surprises me. But good stuff. :)
• fernvenue 1y ago
  Exactly, and maybe YouTube have a plan, have a god damn plan...By the way, I use https://github.com/KcodeGG/UserStyles https://github.com/KcodeGG/UserStyles this to make YouTube back to old style :)
• npteljes 1y ago
  Honestly, this, and the other reasons in the thread (like the resetting preferences) is the reason why I don't invest emotionally into platforms anymore. Been burned too many times. In most cases, I won't fight the system at all - I'll use the defaults, and if I don't like it, I'll go elsewhere. This have freed up so much mental energy for me. SO much stupid bullshit is going on that boggles the mind. But they are only bullshit from "our" consumer perspective - they make perfect sense from other perspectives, like the creators, the platform providers, and so on. Most just boils down to the participants having different priorities. And to the power dynamics between them. For example - yeah you might not like YouTube (addressed to the creator or the consumer), but where else will you go?
• WorldPeas 1y ago
  >zero thumbnails on the homepage I have this manually enabled, but also consider it could be true if they take the instagram/x approach where you just have no thumbnail and are just dropped down the video flume right out of the gate. Don't worry. We know what you want.
• micromacrofoot 1y ago
  It's painful, but every single person in this comment thread is no longer part of youtube's target demographic.
  • leptons 1y ago
    Pretty sure I am one of their target demographics as long as I keep paying for their subscription.
    • micromacrofoot 1y ago
      that's not what a demographic is youtube is facing an existential threat from tiktok and nearly every product decision is driven by getting more gen z and alpha kids back to youtube
• iorekz 1y ago
  >Presumably by then we’ll have our mandatory NeuraLinks and the YouTube algorithm will be able to inject real-time ML generated content (and ads) straight into our brains exactly what happens on a black mirror episode. Recommended!
  • jaydenmilne 1y ago
    There's nothing new under the sun, I thought I was being clever. I'll have to watch it!
• lykahb 1y ago
  Displaying more videos gives more choice to the users. It may also be slightly better for collecting data about the user. But that's reducing the impact of the algorithmic feed and is opposite to what tiktok does. I unironically agree with the prediction that the endgame is just one video.
  • Jensson 1y ago
    > I unironically agree with the prediction that the endgame is just one video. Tthe youtube shorts are already there, so yeah that is what they want you to do, just watch the first thing.
• stuaxo 1y ago
  Youtube on AndroidTV is even worse. Most of the pic is taken by the first video which is always a massive ad. They've made it terrible.
• mystified5016 1y ago
  I love how YouTube makes it impossible to resize your browser window to cover the title and description and all the flying animated like and view numbers. If you try to resize vertically, it pillarboxes the video to make the title box fit. I have a vertical monitor and all I want is to put the video on one half of the screen without all this crap constantly cloying for my attention.
• Havoc 1y ago
  Yes, for all their A/B testing they could really do with a bit more common sense. Like why do thumbnails have an invisible overlay that appears on hover over, hijacks the click and takes you to a support page about paid product placement? I'm clicking on the thumbnail to watch the video not for a jarring detour off the youtube page to a boring help article. Honestly WTF. Maybe the UI designers don't use youtube themselves? This freakin page: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/10588440?nohelpkit=1&visit_id=638816279785823976-4079646274&p=ppp&rd=1 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/10588440?nohelpkit...
  • ilitirit 1y ago
    100%. YouTube is a chapter in a textbook about how to destroy UX. I actually cancelled my YT Premium sub after this latest change with the thumbnails. I realised it doesn't really offer me that much value, and often using the platform just annoys me.
  • adrianmsmith 1y ago
    It's better now, the support page opens in a new tab, so you can close the tab and go back and click on the (right place of the) video thumbnail. It used to open that page in the same tab you were in. So you press the browser's back button, you get back to the YouTube home page, but now it's shown you different recommendations and the video you wanted to click on is gone, and you've no idea what it was called...
• aenopix 1y ago
  Ublock Origin in Firefox: ``` ! Display 6 per row youtube.com##ytd-rich-grid-row, #contents.ytd-rich-grid-row:style(display:contents !important;) youtube.com##ytd-rich-grid-renderer, html:style(--ytd-rich-grid-items-per-row: 6 !important;) youtube.com##ytd-rich-grid-renderer, html:style(--ytd-rich-grid-posts-per-row: 6 !important;) ! Block on profiles "/videos" youtube.com##ytd-rich-grid-row:matches-path(/.\/videos/):style(display: none !important) youtube.com##ytd-rich-grid-renderer:matches-path(/.\/videos/):style(--ytd-rich-grid-items-per-row: 4 !important) ```
  • djaychela 1y ago
    Forgive my ignorance, but how do you actually apply this?
• godelski 1y ago
  There's just so much low hanging fruit at YouTube (and other places) that it's wild. I can't believe this shit goes on. No, it isn't just OP I see 3 videos in the first row, and 2-3 in the second. First row contains a fundraiser video or membership video each time. And the info about ads takes up so much space a frequently click on it instead of the fucking video I'm trying to watch. Also, I can't believe this is a problem. But if you watch with subtitles and the video has embedded subtitles, they just clash. A fucking intern can write you the program to turn them off (ADAPTIVELY!) as needed. But when they clash both become unreadable!! It's so fucking bad that everyone that makes shorts puts captions in the middle of the screen because YouTube puts theirs at the top. Like you got all this machine learning and you can't use it for something useful?!?!?
• ChuckMcM 1y ago
  This feels symptomatic of Google getting more and more desperate to have Youtube generate net revenue. All of the changes pointed out (and all of the 'shorts' that litter the site) are explained as 'additional monetization.' If the author scrolls down another 5 videos and an ad will appear, etc. Shorts are designed so that they can feed more ads/hour to viewers. Both are strategies to increase monetization on the site at the cost of customer experience.
  • silisili 1y ago
    Between shorts, search results, the ads, and the content...I treat youtube links like pinterest links these days. Basically, I'll only click it if I think I really, really need to see it. By 'content' I mean the fact that every video has a moron talking for 10 minutes at the beginning. You can search up something as simple as how to tie a shoe, find a promising video with a lot of likes, then click it. Gotta start with 2 ads first, naturally. Then the first 2 minutes will tell you they'll teach you to tie a shoe. The next 5 minutes will be a backstory on the history of the shoe and how it's impacted the creator's life and their own shoe stories. Then a 2 minute sponsored segment for some dropshipped wallet or sock nobody needs, then another youtube ad, then hurried 10 second clip of someone poorly tying a shoe. Maybe I'm getting old, but I don't see how anyone can stand it anymore.
    • dylan604 1y ago
      > Maybe I'm getting old, but I don't see how anyone can stand it anymore. when you're not an old, and this is all you know, you just accept it without knowing that there was a better world back when the olds were young. not being able to accept this really shows how old man yells get off my lawn you are. YT is not trying to capture you, and probably doesn't care one bit about olds. it's the younger crowds that have been given YT as an absentee parent/babysitter that they have been able to set their hooks in from the beginning. that's the group that will be making them money for years to come
      • silisili 1y ago
        That tracks. It feels like as soon as you fall out of that 18-25, or 18-30 demo, the world leaves you behind. Now I understand why we always thought old people were so cranky!
• alpaca128 1y ago
  On the topic of A/B testing, it would be really neat if there was a way to opt out of it. I cannot remember a single time in the last 5+ years when the website wasn't broken in some way. Right now the UI has at least 5 separate bugs and a Premium feature of the iPad app has 5 distinct bugs which are also so obvious that it's clear YT doesn't even test their paid version at all. YouTube is the best argument against opt-out (or forced) telemetry in apps.
  • WorldPeas 1y ago
    complain as you might about reddit but only it and cnn (to my knowledge) allow the kind of "old." url-based opt-outs
    • barbazoo 1y ago
      If you're referring to old.reddit.com or whatever it is, sure, but I can't imagine that users of that site aren't part of a/b tests all the time anyway even though what you see is the old stylesheet.
      • WorldPeas 1y ago
        that's likely true, it's just a different branch, LTS, if you will
    • Narishma 1y ago
      They've recently started infecting old reddit with some of the new crap like notifications for every little thing. You can still disable them for now, tediously one by one.
• quantike 1y ago
  One other point of annoyance with the new UI is that the videos actually aren't aligned vertically. I really dislike auto-play so I have always strategically rested my cursor in between the columns of video. Now, as I scroll, my cursor will end up within a column that is misaligned and start autoplay. The worst!
  • barbazoo 1y ago
    And it might add the auto-played videos to your history, impacting future recommendations.
  • insin 1y ago
    If you're using an adblocker, it's because YouTube video grid items have an [is-in-first-column] attribute which gives them extra margin-left, throwing off alignment when videos flow to fill in gaps created by promoted videos which were hidden. It's kind of silly that they add these attributes to each nth item based on what they expect the grid width to be, when you can get the same layout without them (my YouTube extension mentioned elsewhere in this thread performs this style fix so grid items line up properly when videos and entire cross-cutting shelves are hidden and the rest flow to fill in the gaps), but I suppose they have no incentive to make the layout work when videos are being hidden or the grid is otherwise being modified externally to work in a way they didn't want.
  • Narishma 1y ago
    That one's not on Youtube. It's a bug caused by ad blockers.
• nvarsj 1y ago
  I still don't know how to "go back" after viewing a video on the mobile app. It's so confusing. I just keep swiping stuff and eventually it works. The google maps app has similar bizareness. I guess somehow this all makes G more money, but it sure is painful as a consumer. I'd pay money for a good hand-crafted (non a/b tested) experience. Competition should be the true a/b test :).
• _lvbh 1y ago
  Use invidious. Youtube has gotten so bloated it takes seconds just to navigate between pages and load videos
  • globular-toast 1y ago
    Invidious and many other third party players are currently completely broken due to YouTube rolling out a new proprietary streaming protocol.
    • _lvbh 1y ago
      There are working fixes - and the new protocol, although not implemented in invidious - has a few open source implementations. I cobbled together one to integrate with invidious yesterday before swapping back to DASH after they fixed it. If they ever disable DASH for all the other clients, there are fallbacks in place
• jayshah5696 1y ago
  Goal for them to not watch too much content. I changed my YouTube account and increased from 3 width to 4. So probably if you are watching too much to discourage they are doing this.
• wobfan 1y ago
  The bottom graphic is the best thing I've seen this week. That alone made me happy today. Thanks, stranger.
• JasserInicide 1y ago
  Mobile-first design. Get used to it, we haven't even started to see the worst of it
• quantadev 1y ago
  I don't even let Youtube suggest videos to me, nor do I use their jank Subscription system. I simply maintain a markdown file with a direct link to the '/videos' page of each channel I care about. This way I'm always in control of what I see. Sure Youtube can still slather me with ADs injected into videos every 2 minutes, and much of the content I watch has ADs right in the video, but at least I feel more in control by never giving Youtube the chance to unleash their algos on me to entice me into as much fake AI-Generated garbage recommendations as they can jam onto a page. That's no longer a problem. I no longer dig thru their dumpster fire of a home page.
• steelzzdev 1y ago
  This is painfully accurate. I just opened YouTube on my 4K monitor and counted four videos before the ads and algorithm sludge took over. It’s like they’re actively hostile to screen real estate now. The 2019 layout actually respected your time — now it’s just dopamine bait on rails. Feels like they’re optimizing for engagement metrics only a machine would love. That graph made me laugh way too hard. "Zero videos by September" might honestly be the most realistic roadmap Google’s shipped lately. Also, I’d 100% use a lightweight frontend that just shows recent uploads from my subs in a clean grid. No shorts, no nonsense. If no one builds it, I might.
• titzer 1y ago
  Well, I've been holding this one in for a while but now's the time, so it's flame on. YouTube sucks so bad. On the one hand, you have the amazing engineering prowess, enormous hardware resources, reliability and scaling of Google. The amount of sheer bandwidth of video that YouTube can pump is absolutely staggering. Having to deal with fraud, abuse, content moderation, copyright disputes, and to create an ecosystem that rewards creators and all...a lot of problems were solved. AFAIR from my days at Google, YouTube finally broke even in terms of revenue in the early 2010s. It turns a profit now--a massive one for any company except Google scale. Compared to search ads its still a pittance. And yet, the product is getting worse and worse and worse. It's worse for users and worse for creators and worse for society. The UI is atrocious and the ads are annoying. It regularly breaks for me on non-Chrome browsers (maybe partly attributable to adblockers I run, who knows). It's unusable with full blown ads. I just don't know who has the patience to spend any time at all on a site. With ads, it's on again off again with interruptions in the middle of videos. Entire classes of use cases are utterly destroyed by ads in the middle. For example, I spent a significant amount of time collecting backing track and play along videos for guitar. Play along use cases are just ruined by ads. Full stop. YouTube is completely unusable without an ad blocker. So I do what I should have done, which is to rip the audio tracks out of videos and put them on my local computer. What an absolute fail of a computer system. The internet sucks. But that's just the ads. The UI--even optimized for tablets--is so stupid as to be nearly unusable. The basic functionality I want to use--SEARCH FOR A VIDEO--is hidden somewhere in a corner somewhere, doesn't show up on most pages, tries to hide itself whenever possible, and in addition to that, the pages are clunky, slow, poorly organized, confusing, and reorganize themselves every six months. FFS I WANT TO SEARCH FOR A VIDEO. I don't know how to find it now. I don't know how to use any of the crap anymore. I counted and for some workflows it literally required me to use the back button three times to even get to a page where the search ICON was hidden in the corner somewhere using the quietest, unobtrusive labeling possible. They don't even want you to search anymore. What is this new UI regime we are in where the five basic functions of the video browser (at least for me)--play/stop, advance, go back, search, and toggle full screen--are so badly labeled, hard to get to, and laggy, that it's basically unusable? Oh, that's right. All of those things are annoying for YouTube engagement that spends all of my screen on stuff that IT WANTS ME TO SEE--including ads. Like literally the entire point is to pull you away from whatever you are doing to watch something else... Don't even get me started on how bad search has gotten and how the ecosystem of videos is totally borked by the attention economy now. I find myself wishing for an option where any video made in the last 5 years is just excluded. Otherwise I just get some 8K video of some fool sitting in a racecar chair talking so fast and loud that I feel frankly assaulted. And some people edit their videos to literally delete the spaces between words and sentences. It's all so terrible and I kind of don't want it. ...except that YouTube just kind of became the world's repository of all video data? What does that mean for history when an ad company takes it over?
• seydor 1y ago
  When you open any video on youtube.com the video players menus appear for a split second (some CSS is not hiding them). Keep getting this on chrome/windows
• nottorp 1y ago
  Hmm interesting. My laptop is about the only place where I occasionally open Youtube. I get 3 videos per row and it looks just fine(tm) because it's a 14 inch screen. I just experimentally opened youtube in a maximized window on my desktop with the 24" monitor and ... it's 3 videos per row again but I never noticed. Perhaps all youtube UI "experts" work from cafes on tiny laptop screens?
• Timpy 1y ago
  This is totally orthogonal to the issue but I think the best fix possible is to block the YouTube home page. I have gained value from algorithm-curated feeds in the past but it's no longer a net positive in my life. I recommend checking out News Feed Eradicator[0], Distraction Free YouTube[1], and set up some extremely aggressive uBlock Origin rules. [0] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/news-feed-eradicator/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/news-feed-era... [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/df-youtube/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/df-youtube/
  • 0x2a 1y ago
    Unhook is also good. https://unhook.app/ https://unhook.app/
• ginko 1y ago
  The iphone and its consequences have been a catastrophe for web design.
• nickvec 1y ago
  I stopped using YouTube a few years ago. It's just so many ads that I no longer enjoy using the platform.
  • bobsmooth 1y ago
    I just use an adblocker.
• xoxxala 1y ago
  Another recommendation for the Unhook extension. Literally cannot use YT without it now.
• brailsafe 1y ago
  Jokes aside, I just keep my watch history off so the homepage is blank
• magackame 1y ago
  Let's also not forget about automatic title and audio translations...
• ssalazar 1y ago
  Some of this is probably driven by mobile usage and unifying the experience between mobile <> desktop. But the truth is a team almost certainly tested this and measured an improvement of some topline performance metric. (Hacker News articles comparing YT before and after screenshots is not one of their topline metrics.)
• cucubeleza 1y ago
  it's just a big company doing big company things, don't care about the user, only thing that matters is money and power, like dictators
• _QrE 1y ago
  People see videos on the front page of YouTube? I've turned YouTube history off, and all I get is a warning that says that if I want "the latest videos tailored to me", I need to turn that on. This is without being signed in. Honestly, I think I prefer this. It makes my use of YouTube a little more deliberate since there's no clickbait to click, initially.
  • bobsmooth 1y ago
    The huge thumbnails are also in the subs tab.
• rfolstad 1y ago
  Why does the youtube miniplayer suck so much?! X has the best one i've seen on any platform. You can actually pop the player out of the browser and move it anywhere you want and it has 0 chrome just a window with the video in it amazing!
  • tourist2d 1y ago
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• cpersona 1y ago
  Well YouTube no longer shows videos on the landing page if you’re not logged in so the tongue-in-cheek conclusion is prescient in this case.
• schainks 1y ago
  I already have no videos on my homepage! Just turn off all the suggested video in your account settings. I only use youtube to watch channels I've subscribed to or videos people send me. I don't care to waste time letting the machine guide me to "discover" something. There is the thing I need to learn/watch/enjoy _now_, and that's it.
• Eavolution 1y ago
  I found YouTube completely insufferable until installing ublock origin, sponsorblock, and youtube redux to return to a more old school interface. How a single website single-handedly justifies 3 extensions in my browser I will never know but those geniuses at google have managed it. Can't recommend youtube redux alongside disabling watch and search history highly enough.
  • gsich 1y ago
    Must have. I also recommend the addon to return dislikes.
• mrandish 1y ago
  I use a combination of add-ons to fix YouTube that let me: * Block shorts * Adjust the number of thumbnails per line, thumbnail shape, border, etc * Limit the length of titles/descriptions * Force titles/descriptions into normal upper/lowercase * Change the default player window size * Show thumbnails actually in the video (from start, middle or end) * Fix literally dozens of other annoyances For Windows desktop under Firefox: * "Nova YouTube" https://github.com/raingart/Nova-YouTube-extension https://github.com/raingart/Nova-YouTube-extension script running under ViolentMonkey add-on. Nova YouTube is framework that puts modular YouTube fix scripts under one UI. * "AdashimaaTube" script running under Stylus add-on. * "Enhancer for YouTube" add-on * uBlock Origin (of course) For Android phones: Revanced Extended For Android-based streaming sticks: SmartTube Note: The set of add-ons & scripts I use in desktop Firefox is just what I happened to end up with at the time I finally got fed up a few years ago, looked for solutions, tried out several and settled on this mix as working for my needs and preferences. YouTube is constantly changing (usually for the worse), so the landscape of community add-ons and scripts is constantly evolving in response. You'll probably need to update to latest version on whatever solution(s) you use at least every couple months.
• amai 1y ago
  Google must not only sell Chrome, but also Youtube. Tiktok might be interested to buy it.
• anigbrowl 1y ago
  It's the same with Google news on Mobile. I found an old Nexus one in a drawer the other day and tried charging it up, it still worked fine. When I opened Google News (from~12 years ago!) it was just a list of categories and 8-10 headlines within each category, a small picture for the top story in each category. On my modern phone it's all pictures and you can see at most 2 headlines at once. It takes a bunch of scrolling (= 'engagement' = $) just to see what the top headlines are. Worse, the categories are all mixed together, so I keep being subject to sports 'news'. Absolute garbage.
  • dredmorbius 1y ago
    What I'm using currently for news: <https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/114356066459105122 https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/114356066459105122> (Own tool, local-only, inquire if you're interested, email in profile.) Source currently is CNN, which really isn't a particularly good news source or article selection. I'm working on a version based on The Guardian's RSS feeds. I find the result far more readable and calming than any current online news presentation. Starting point was CNN's "lite" page, which turns out to be unordered headlines. First cut organised those heads by section, the link above adds lede lines to those stories, with more prominence and significance to earlier stories and selected sections, less to the fluff bits (sport, entertainment, food, style, etc.).
• fHr 1y ago
  I mean I applied as SWE 2 but they don't even proceed with any app, at least I solved meanwhile around 1000 lcs. So I can't solve it for you sadly and people working there are probably to much in the ad business then doing actual core changes these days, to hard probably need for 1 small css change 7 higher manager approvals....
• daemonologist 1y ago
  I've seen it display *two* videos at the top of the home screen (plus an ad and five "shorts"). Kind of comical when it happens.
• ryandrake 1y ago
  One thing I don't like about the "old" style (that I haven't seen anyone here mention yet) is that it has all that whitespace on either side of the list. So much monitor space wasted! The new site uses it all. I wish sites would stop limiting their content to a small vertical strip of the screen. I bought a gigantic monitor and I rather like being able to use all of its pixels.
• sprremix 1y ago
  This makes me appreciate my newly discovered "Remove YouTube Suggestions"[0]-extension a lot more. My homepage looks like this[1] and I absolutely do not get the feeling I'm "missing out" on any content. I just go to my subscriptions page, look at some videos and then close YT :) [0] https://github.com/lawrencehook/remove-youtube-suggestions https://github.com/lawrencehook/remove-youtube-suggestions [1] https://i.imgur.com/zst96wo.png https://i.imgur.com/zst96wo.png
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• SurgeArrest 1y ago
  Can I also have an option to block/disable all YouTube Shorts on AppleTV and Samsung TV apps? Shorts is the biggest disservice to civilization - promoting time-wasting behaviours. Also, promoting 10-20 minute videos with 2-5 minutes of content is also wasteful. Most videos are extended to 10-20 minutes just to be recommended by YouTube. Finally, videos with AI voice, which I hope can be easily detected, need to have a label clearly visible and I want to have preferences to hide those completely.
  • mrweasel 1y ago
    Also add a "stolen content" option for reporting. There is an insane amount of content that has been blatantly ripped of from others to produce cheap AI generated Shorts. Unless you own the stolen content, there's nothing you can do, even if it's clearly an Instagram video or a Reddit posts run through an AI. Short form content, especially combined with AI is an abomination foisted upon this world in search of a meagre profit. My issue with Shorts are that you watch it, conclude that it was garbage and a waste of your time, so you hit "thumbs down". That apparently does NOTHING in YouTube land, because you watched, and hit a button, so you "engaged" with the content. There's so much good, well made, quality content on YouTube, but even if you pay for Premium, the algorithm, tweaked for engagement and ad impression just ruins it and the more YouTube push Shorts the worse it gets.
    • littlekey 1y ago
      Yeah I learned early on with "engagement" is that the only winning move is not to play. Just ignore the voting arrows, and definitely don't leave a comment on the video.
• Razengan 1y ago
  Someone at HN needs glasses too, until then we're stuck with this borderline hostile text/UI size and colors trying to be as unreadable as possible.
  • dredmorbius 1y ago
    For your (and any other readers') benefit: Dred's HN CSS Madhackery: https://pastebin.com/gLXiqKyd https://pastebin.com/gLXiqKyd Dred's HN CSS Madhackery -- Dark Mode: https://pastebin.com/6PF3dCXH https://pastebin.com/6PF3dCXH (Both in my HN profile page.) I'm reading via the first now. I've recently re-skinned Algolia's search to match this. What the heck, posted: <https://pastebin.com/HMp8Er30 https://pastebin.com/HMp8Er30>
• footlose_3815 1y ago
  Similar with Reddit. The redesign serves you less content and more ads, and zooms everything in. There's no profit in giving you everything you want all at once.
• youtubeuser 1y ago
  > Unfortunately, using an advanced analytics package I’ve projected that around May 2026 the YouTube homepage will just be one video, and by September there will be no videos at all on the homepage. Lmao
• efields 1y ago
  I believe YouTube is crushing it as a content provider. I assume they have the resources to measure _everything_. They know what they're doing. Your use case may be desirable, but they've determined it's not profitable.
  • Root_Denied 1y ago
    > Your use case may be desirable, but they've determined it's not profitable. This right here is the crux of the problem - profitability rules over any and all functionality. Even in a scenario where a given design/layout was universally desirable, it will lose out to a design that is more optimal for revenue generation. Ok, yes, Google is a company that needs to make money, but changes that optimize for revenue over usability have a strong chance of a domino effect down the line of a dwindling user base paying an increasing cost to use a service that is no longer worth it. > I assume they have the resources to measure _everything_. I don't disagree with this assessment, but I believe it just means that they know where the inflection point is between functionality (driving engagement and retention) and revenue (increased at the expense of retention and engagement) and try and ride that intersection to maximize both. > I believe YouTube is crushing it as a content provider. There's an argument to be made here that YouTube just doesn't have any real competition due to the infrastructural requirements being so heavy and the network effect of having so many people using the platform, and that's different than doing well enough to be able to compete in an environment that had more competition. Put another way, the way YouTube is run works great up until you have an actual competitor operating at the same scale, at which point it falls over, as opposed to one that could effectively compete against another service. This feeds back into the point about riding that curve of revenue vs. functionality. If you're right at the intersection of that curve you have very little flexibility with which to adjust in competition with another entity. This just points YouTube believing (not unreasonably so) that they're an effective monopoly and don't need to worry about competition, so it doesn't enter into their calculations. They may never need to worry about it. None of that is the same thing as being a "good" or "optimal" service for users, and you can't really "crush it" when there's no one of a similar size within the space to compare against.
• esotericsean 1y ago
  I got this view the other day and was shocked. Went and found a browser plugin to fix it. But I wish our voices could be heard or we could give some feedback.
• calmbonsai 1y ago
  I've said it before. The secret to sanity when consuming YoutTube content is to never consume it on YouTube. The interface has been actively user-hostile for over 15 years.
  • hapticmonkey 1y ago
    People need to realise that all this AB testing is going to lead YouTube developers to one final version: An endless TikTok style scroll of (soon to be AI-generated) recommended videos. No search. No desktop/friendly UX. It’s all going to go away. You can see this happening already with the inability to permanently disable “shorts”. They can only be disabled for 30 days. You can see this happening when unrelated recommendations appear in search results. You can see this happening with the inability to block a channel, you can only stop it appearing in recommendations. It’s only going to keep getting worse. Get off YouTube (and especially get your kids off the platform) and find alternatives. It’s not going to end well.
    • calmbonsai 1y ago
      I concur. Aside from user hostility, these purely algorithmic feeds with no search, mid-video snap-cut ads, and blink-attention-span content is retarding reasoning skills and already having a negative gestalt effect on society. For, perhaps only once in multiple generations, all the "old folks" raging against "the kids" with their new media are correct. More and more, the movie "Idiocracy" is becoming a documentary.
• UnreachableCode 1y ago
  Highly recommend https://untrap.app/ https://untrap.app/ if you want to remove some of the shit from YouTube like shorts, comments or the recommendation bar to the right of videos. It has a safari extension on iOS too (this costs about 3 bucks). Disclaimer: not my software
• lajosbacs 1y ago
  Let's not forget defaulting the audio to an automatic translation. That is so dumb that I still a have hard time believing that there is not an option to disable this. They don't even get any ad revenue out of this, it is just idiotic.
• almosthere 1y ago
  They should isolate shorts from real YouTube.
• CryZe 1y ago
  For me they made it so large that I can only see 3 full thumbnails. The rest don't even fit the screen anymore. https://i.imgur.com/11iI4sI.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/11iI4sI.jpeg
• xanadu132 1y ago
  never realized how annoying this was until now
• n00bs 1y ago
  It sure would be nice if they fixed the YouTube Apple TV app so you didn’t have to select which YouTube account you want to use every single time you launch the app on Apple TV. I guess someone thought it was better than the blank screen that used to greet greet folks when they loaded the Apple TV app after 24 hours. But this is just comically lame for folks who don’t ever switch accounts nor want to.
• rng-concern 1y ago
  On my roku youtube app, you can only see 2 videos in full. Yes that's right, 2 videos. You can technically see 6 but there's so much cutoff on the right and bottom that you can't see what those videos are. It's insane. I don't use it on roku anymore.
• cbmuser 1y ago
  The problem is simply that managers at Google think that designs have to change all the time. The idea that a design is perfect does not exist at Google.
• debunn 1y ago
  I wonder if this reduction in videos on screen is a result of an experiment due to "The Paradox of Choice" / "Choice Overload"? https://thedecisionlab.com/reference-guide/economics/the-paradox-of-choice https://thedecisionlab.com/reference-guide/economics/the-par...
  • mcpar-land 1y ago
    The extra time required to scroll through the giant thumbnails turned into "we saw a XX% increase in engagement time when we A/B tested larger thumbnails!"
• Animats 1y ago
  Never visit the home page of any social media site.
• 0xbadcafebee 1y ago
  Pretty sure this is intentional to encourage doom scroll and to make the giant video titles and shocked-face-tiles easier to see and thus click on. Whatever gets you to click faster and make those ad dollars. I'm more than a little disgusted by how moronic we are made to look now that every video tile caters to the dumbest person with the most base instincts. If YOU aren't SHOCKED by this TITLE how will we get you to CLICK IT? :O :O :O MUST SEE this video BEFORE YOU CONTINUE READING HN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvFZjo5PgG0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvFZjo5PgG0
• twalichiewicz 1y ago
  I ranted about this a couple of weeks ago: two ⌘- taps has become my default just to make most sites readable. When did 32-pixel headlines and 18-pixel body copy become “desktop friendly”?
• nullpilot 1y ago
  For the past decade or so my bookmark has been set to /feed/subscriptions and I can only recommend that. The one or two times a year I end up on the front page act as proof it should remain that way.
• parsimo2010 1y ago
  Obviously the model at the end of the post is a joke, but it implies that after September 2026 there will be negative videos on the screen. What does it even mean to be a negative video? There will be videos, but mirrored? There will be videos but the colors will be reversed? Will they play backwards? Is a negative video where multiple ads overlap each other?
  • 333c 1y ago
    I think a negative video is a requirement that you upload one before you may continue
    • spartanatreyu 1y ago
      "Please turn on your webcam for 10 seconds and spin around to prove you're human (i.e. help train our models), to continue."
  • dade_ 1y ago
    Only ads.
  • abbycurtis33 1y ago
    What makes more sense is that one thumbnail would be so zoomed in that the borders of it are off screen. Less than one full thumbnail.
• nzeid 1y ago
  Anyone else's YouTube home page just a white screen telling you to type in the search box? Because after reading this blog I might ask the author for some stock tips.
• killerz3 1y ago
  If you have a new account or use it less frequently, there are no videos .... It just says start watching so we could recommend you something like this . What are they trying? All they want to show users are targeted ads , won't even show any video recommendations until you give the algo something to target you with ads.
• Macacity 1y ago
  Funnily, when loading the page, it still display 5 of the placeholder boxes per row
• ugh123 1y ago
  It's possible at that size (32") you're triggering 'leanback' UI mode, which is optimized for longer distance (TV like) viewing.
  • falcor84 1y ago
    Even if true, it's indicative of the UX disease of trying to guess what the user persona needs instead of fucking asking us
  • simoncion 1y ago
    > It's possible at that size (32") you're triggering 'leanback' UI mode... Right now, on my 32" 2160p screen, when I either maximize my browser window or put it into "fullscreen" mode, YouTube shows me a centered section with useful information (wide enough to display four videos when visiting the "/videos" endpoint), and empty space to either side of that section that's wide enough to convert this single centered-column layout into a three-column layout... tripling the amount of data on screen. Both this and whatever "leanback" thing YouTube is testing are both pretty godawful. I do prefer the wasted space, so I know I can rearrange my windows to make use of the space. You never know whether or not a thumb-centric UI will shrink itself down when the viewport's size is reduced.
• 2OEH8eoCRo0 1y ago
  Blame all the children on their iPads who can't read.
• MartinGAugustin 1y ago
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• buybackoff 1y ago
  It's not the count if thumbnails, it's the algo that either does not work at all or works only for them. Average engagement and zero control. Paid or free, they do not care.
• 555watch 1y ago
  Has anyone commented already about the absurdity of watching Youtube Shorts? A wide empty white space, with a narrow vertical strip of content that is often stretched and split into two smaller videos.
• brandon_bot 1y ago
  Has anyone else run into the issue of having a horizontal scrollbar while viewing videos in full-screen (on desktop)? There are some hits when I search online for this issue but in my case, it's been happening intermittently for the past few weeks. Reloading the page fixes it. Not sure if I'm part of some A/B test.
• sans_souse 1y ago
  Biggest gripes: 1) touch screen nav on a user profile is nearly impossible to scroll vertically, as any left/right movements will cause you to jump sections (videos→playlists, etc) 2) Windowed mini-viewer (is a total PITA) 3) The "full screen" mode never seems to lign up where I'm either cropping part of the picture out or I have some stupid white slider-looking thing in one corner of my screen.
• moon2 1y ago
  > Unfortunately, using an advanced analytics package I’ve projected that around May 2026 the YouTube homepage will just be one video Algorithm will be 50/50 - it could either be gore or AI slop.
• karaterobot 1y ago
  > This is on a 32” 1440p display What in the world.
• e40 1y ago
  One of the 5 videos on his home page is on mine. I always wondered how prevalent that was, because sometimes I get videos recommended from sources with a small number of views and channels with not that many subs.
• dawnerd 1y ago
  This is so annoying, plus them injecting shorts basically every other row. Almost like they don't want you wanting something that's not trending.
• maxoakland 1y ago
  You’d think they’d all be using google glass
• fuzzy_biscuit 1y ago
  Based on the projected rate of change, it sounds like the homepage will, after falling to 0 videos, eventually start removing videos from the site, so I consider it a win. There are only so many reaction channels that should be allowed to exist.
• hnburnsy 1y ago
  >YouTube homepage will just be one video On Smart TV devices, there is One large ad on the first row, then 2.5 video thumbnails on the second row, no other thumbnails. Looks like this... https://www.google.com/imgres?q=youtube%20app%20on%20smart%20screenshot%20layout&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fuser-images.githubusercontent.com%2F1414728%2F201799807-ddd5f26a-fab6-410c-afa4-c087aafeb376.png&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fplatevoltage%2Fyoutube-smarttv-emu&docid=Yxak13vC74FSgM&tbnid=SXcxI5Ie0yc4bM&vet=12ahUKEwiOvZKnhoGNAxV1p7AFHb64E94QM3oECEUQAA..i&w=1522&h=936&hcb=2&ved=2ahUKEwiOvZKnhoGNAxV1p7AFHb64E94QM3oECEUQAA https://www.google.com/imgres?q=youtube%20app%20on%20smart%2...
• kimixa 1y ago
  Oh, I got this and thought it was a bug - I reported it assuming that somehow I must have been served the mobile interface on my 4k monitor :P
• davidg707 1y ago
  What bugs me is that often several of the videos will be things that I've already watched and it somehow forgets that. Or it shows videos that it's shown me again and again and again and I'm not clicking on because I'm not interested.
• jaarse 1y ago
  This is most likely to do with changing viewing habits. Very little YouTube is watched on a monitor anymore. In fact for most channels it is 40% mobile, 40% on a TV and 20% other. I’m guessing the new format is to optimize for the TV viewer as this is also the fastest growing segment.
• sph 1y ago
  > I’ve projected that around May 2026 the YouTube homepage will just be one video Well, of course. It’s all gonna be Shorts by then.
• creatonez 1y ago
  The reason I use old.reddit.com with RES instead of sh.reddit.com is very simple. The more posts that are displayed on the screen at once, the more I can subvert the algorithm by cherry picking just the high quality posts. If the UI is inflated, the more time I'll waste on crap posts.
• olelele 1y ago
  On recommendation from someone here -on another Youtube-related thread- I started using the browser extension Unhook. Can recommend!!
• bukka 1y ago
  I'm surprised nobody mentioned the volume slider being moved from the left to the right side on the player... They also removed the ability the use mouse wheel to control the slider too. How does something as big as a player redesign go through so little QA on one of the largest websites in the world?
  • pakitan 1y ago
    It's also sometimes buggy and I can't adjust the volume at all. I can't comprehend what in the world would prompt such a "redesign"
• cyberlimerence 1y ago
  If you use Youtube without an account, and disable watch and search history in the left menu the homepage stays completely empty of videos/recommendations. It's great.
• Too 1y ago
  Everybody needs glasses, not just YouTube. Excessive padding and large flat UI widgets, where only 4 points of actual content are shown at a time, is a bad trend that's taken over the whole web in recent years.
• chii 1y ago
  if you use tampermonkey, there's a semi-decent script to change youtube back to what it was like in 2016 : https://7kt.se/ https://7kt.se/ it does jank up a bit sometimes (i can't change the youtube region, and some other defects), but it's sufficiently good that i keep it.
• Mr_Minderbinder 1y ago
  People have always complained whenever YouTube changed its layout but I think the Polymer skin crossed a threshold of awfulness that caused people to start actively fighting against it by creating their own interfaces or finding workarounds on a scale we never saw with prior changes. I would take ANY of the pre-Polymer designs over Polymer which is truly in a league of its own, exemplifying everything wrong with corporate Web-design.
• _hao 1y ago
  YouTube without the PocketTube extension (where you can customize stuff like that) is basically unusable on desktop. Give it a try!
• bambax 1y ago
  > using an advanced analytics package I’ve projected that around May 2026 the YouTube homepage will just be one video, and by September there will be no videos at all on the homepage Ah, the same advanced analytics package used by most consultancies and all politicians, which consists in prolonging a trend as a straight line until it reaches then end of times, and beyond. The same very powerful analytics package that was recently used by AI fanboys to predict AI will consume 100% of the world electricity in a few years.
• Jemm 1y ago
  Youtube has always been an abomination. I pause a video to see a detail and the UI covers the video in suggestions and nonsense when in full screen mode.
• lifeinthevoid 1y ago
  An unmissable browser plugin is “clickbait remover for youtube” (or whatever it is called), it replaces the video preview image by a still taken from somewhere else in the video.
• T3RMINATED 1y ago
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• WA 1y ago
  The worst thing about YouTube in 2025 is auto-translation. Whoever is behind this doesn’t seem to understand that many people outside the US actually understand two languages rather well. In my case: German and English. I don’t want either to be translated to the other, but no chance. If you switch languages in the UI, you will get the garbage translated titles.
  • tambourine_man 1y ago
    Google is institutionally incapable of accepting that people can speak more than one idiom. I need to open a private window to have proper Portuguese search results. No matter what language preferences I set, I cannot get what seems to be most reasonable: show results matching the language of your query.
  • makeitdouble 1y ago
    And the auto-dubbing introduced these last weeks makes it so much worse.
• padzochambers 1y ago
  I’ve also noticed YouTubes lack of attention to finding me new videos that aren’t maybe in a category I’ve watched before. I find my homepage filled with videos I’ve seen before or just the same categories churning similar videos. Similar to Spotify, the app struggles to push new music and instead just regurgitates old music I’ve previously listened. I don’t get the same refreshing/random feeling YouTube created before.
  • 0hijinks 1y ago
    As a user, I'm under the impression YouTube uses click follow-through for algorithm feedback. For the past two years, I've consistently gotten more random content with ~100 views suggested to me in the side bar. I often click and check it out. Maybe prime the pump by diving for some random vids?
    • padzochambers 1y ago
      Good shout man. I’ll keep an eye out for them.
• unhappy_meaning 1y ago
  YouTube overall quality has been in a slow decline for the last several years and I'm sure it has to do with $$. The UI is slower in almost all aspects, the grid mentioned here isn't even aligned properly. Playback buttons are slow to respond to hovers and clicks and the 1080p quality is no longer a "true" 1080p quality. Don't even get me started with shorts because while the baseline functionality of it works, its pretty buggy for what it is. Maybe they are just too busy with scaling the entire thing that UI is an afterthought because the basic functionality is there and now its profits over quality.
• TechDebtDevin 1y ago
  They trying to turn all video platform UX into reels/shorts/tiktoks. Hell theyre even shooting movies on verticle IMAX cameras now for better translation to phones. They would rather focus your attention on a single short video you can lock into and then transfer that focus to an ad suddenly. Its perfect for their business model.
• cs02rm0 1y ago
  Is it just me... have they improved this today? I'm back to 10 videos on the homepage from 2.
• darkeopteryx 1y ago
  100% this. Please listen to what seems like overwhelming user feedback. Thanks, A disgruntled YT Premium subscriber.
• viking2917 1y ago
  Those of us "of a certain age" are grateful not to look at a screen of 30 videos, all of them illegible because our eyes are old :)