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Tim Cook’s experience in logistics built Apple into the global hegemon it is today. I hope John Ternus’s experience with hardware can kick off a renaissance in
by Tyrubias 5mo ago
Tim Cook’s experience in logistics built Apple into the global hegemon it is today. I hope John Ternus’s experience with hardware can kick off a renaissance in both Apple hardware and software design. Mind you, Apple hardware is already amazing, but hopefully it can be even better with Ternus at the helm. Apple software is terrible, and hopefully Ternus can turn that around. I’m also hoping, without any evidence, that maybe a change in leadership will change how Apple participates in US politics.
EDIT: I also want to say I really appreciate Tim Cook’s emphasis on user privacy and I hope John Ternus can continue this trend.
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- baal80spam 5mo agoI can name some terrible software, but it wouldn't be Apple's.
- ValentineC 5mo agomacOS and iOS 26 are quite bad.
- basisword 5mo agoGive the competitors a try...
- antiframe 5mo agoOn macOS when I alt-tab to a full-screen app it takes forever. On KDE when I alt-tab to a full-screen app it's instantaneous. On macOS when I connect or disconnect an external monitor, my applications get all confused on where they should display, especially if I then reconnect a monitor. On KDE when I unplug my monitor everything goes nicely onto one desktop. When I put a monitor back in, everything goes back to where it was before. It just works. On macOS, every time I install a new program I need to do some dance with System preferences to allow it to run. I tried some command line settings that supposedly disables this, but it never sticks. Every few months, the process is different than it was before. On KDE, I just run my software and it works. On macOS, I don't have useful window snapping behavior or full-screen behavior, nor am I able to have focus follow my mouse. On KDE, I have these. macOS just doesn't work for me. But the competitors have a good solution.
- basisword 5mo agoI've used Linux over the years. But a niche desktop environment being better in some very specific use cases isn't much of an argument.
- antiframe 5mo agoWhy not? People choose their tools by criteria that matter to their use cases. For some, alt-tab behavior doesn't matter. For others it's a primary pain point. Computing should be personal. Some people like to mold their tools to their way of working. Others adapt their way of working to their tools. KDE is for the former, and macOS is for the latter. Why would someone else use my criteria? They should use their own criteria? I certainly am not going to use your "it's niche so it can't be useful" criteria as it's important to my usage.
- anonyfox 5mo agoReally wanna discuss the current windows debacles? Come on! Apple software regressed but it’s not outright hostile bad still.
- tcfhgj 5mo agoat least you can still decide on the software you install
- esafak 5mo agoHow do you not install all the ads?
- array_key_first 5mo agoThat's an extremely low bar, Windows has been shit for a long time and has basically only degraded. Some people think Windows 10 was good, it wasn't, they just haven't used Windows for long enough. Apple software isn't bad, but it is often obtuse and buggy. And, with iOS 26, usability has taken a big hit.
- dlahoda 5mo agowhat is bad for you? was you at linux or windows - may be apple is best of all bad?
- bigyabai 5mo agoXCode, Apple Music, Siri, Apple Maps, The App Store, Finder, Safari, Spotlight, iCloud... I'd need another hand to fully count all the Apple apps that have burned me in the past.
- soapdog 5mo agoCan we add Photos to that list? Can we add it twice cause it is that bad.
- jonhohle 5mo agoIt’s so sad. Circa 2003 OS X wasn’t just good it was amazing. Nearly Movie OS quality. Every release the quality goes down. Every migration to SwiftUI more and more AppKit standard feature get lost.
- tonyedgecombe 5mo agoIn 2003 it was a dog’s dinner. I remember getting kernel panics from pulling out an already ejected USB stick.
- internet2000 5mo ago2003 OS X sucked.
- jonhohle 5mo agoSucked compared to what? My OS X life began shortly before Panther, and coming from a Linux laptop everything was better. Compared to Windows XP, everything in Panther was better. Panther on a 1GHz TiBook was amazing compared to anything else at the time.
- Fr0styMatt88 5mo agoCurious as an outsider what you mean with US politics? Seems like Apple has a pretty strong stance when it comes to things like privacy that pushes back on some things (that could be smoke and mirrors though I guess).
- valleyer 5mo agoStart here: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/08/07/tim-cook-trump-gift/85555805007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/08/07/tim-...
- baal80spam 5mo agoIf you think Ternus wouldn't do it, you are in for a bad time.
- valleyer 5mo agoWell, I hope I'm not, but yes, I will be quite disappointed if so.
- dwaite 5mo agoMy condolences in advance
- brandall10 5mo agoApple is a multi-trillion dollar public company. It would be unusual for a leader of such a thing not act in accordance w/ shareholders' best interests, as well to defy likely board guidance.
- jmye 5mo ago“Capitulating to the current regime on everything is in shareholder’s best interests” is neither a foregone conclusion nor a statement of fact. It’s economic myopia at best.
- thereitgoes456 5mo agoI admire how Tim Cook participates in US politics. He is doing the most while giving the least. I would do the same in his position, he is making the best of a difficult situation, and it is his duty to protect his company and employees. Giving a golden statue of Trump has no effect on you and me, and a very large effect on Trump. He is gaining significant political capital while giving up nothing that matters (feel free to correct if I am wrong). Contrast with every other tech executive, lawyer, and university dean in America, most of whom have been cowed into compromising on their deepest values, or even worse, have done so without hesitation. I cannot think of many tech execs whom history will be kinder towards.
- mcmcmc 5mo ago> Giving a golden statue of Trump has no effect on you and me, and a very large effect on Trump. No effect on you, really. You aren’t affected by gas prices or tariffs? They are bowing down and participating in Trump’s patronage schemes. Every powerful person who does this is complicit with all the horrible things done by the Trump administration. They are endorsing Trump and his ilk with their behavior if not their words, which allows and encourages him to continue his fraud and abuse.
- liuliu 5mo agoTrump is the president. People voted him into the Office. Tim Cook didn't give him the golden statue before he is in the Office. Everyone in the United States is complicit to the horrible things done by the Trump administration by your logic. I partially agree, but I also think burning Apple to the ground will not be Tim Cook's legacy and he is in no place to go against the executive branch. It is not about Trump, it is about the corrupted executive branch. Tim didn't do any crime against humanity in his act.
- phist_mcgee 5mo agoNor does the cop who demands $100 for letting you go without arresting you. But they're still responsible for their own personal piece of the rot in the system.
- hei-lima 5mo agoApple’s software is the best in the non-free software world compared to Google's or Microsoft's, IMO. But that doesn't mean it can't be better.
- leptons 5mo agoI'm not sure how you can think Finder is better than the alternatives. It's awful, and has always been awful, IMO.
- paradox460 5mo agoIt has one feature I wish everyone else would copy: Miller columns. But even after NeXT used them 35+ years ago, they have remarkably little penetration into other OSes. I use Pathfinder on MacOS, and it's generally a lot better than finder, but there are features I wish would carry over from other OSes. Windows file check boxes are incredibly useful
- leptons 5mo agoMiller columns is the biggest waste of screen space that's possible in an OS, and MacOS chose it for Finder. And Apple has been dying on that hill for decades. It's one of the main reasons Finder is awful and Apple's design choices are a joke.
- lunarboy 5mo agooh the horror stories I've heard from friends at Apple. Don't think I've heard anyone who writes tests at Apple
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- 2muchcoffeeman 5mo agoSo, they’re just like every other software outfit.
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- brikym 5mo agoLet's hope John takes his job Siriously
- elicash 5mo ago> Apple software is terrible The Vision Pro software team did an incredible job. Its software is more impressive than its hardware.
- walterbell 5mo agoDid Vision Pro leadership subsequently take over Apple Intelligence?
- hedora 5mo agoDid they? Why don’t I see people using this product while driving, or even walking down the street?
- elicash 5mo agoYou're asking why, if its software is better than its hardware, people aren't driving cars with them on? Not sure I follow...
- jmye 5mo agoThe software being good and it being used in a product consumers wanted are two very different things. What did you think you were asking? Or was this just a lame, ill-conceived gotcha that probably needed another few hours in the oven before being chucked in the garbage?
- dialogbox 5mo agoBecause the HW is bad and pricing is bad. Not because SW is bad.
- Danox 5mo agoThe hardware is best than class in both software and hardware by a mile who is this other company Meta or is it Microsoft with a HoloLens? Long-term iteration is the only way the Apple Vision Pro will get better if it took 13 years to come up with an M1 processor beginning to end and six years to have your first working modem that can be used in a smartphone there are no shortcuts long hard iteration is the only way.
- nottorp 5mo ago> Apple software is terrible I killed a Finder process that was at 1.2 G ram consumed today...
- appplication 5mo agoI wish I could get my Chrome memory footprint so low
- firloop 5mo agoFTA: > As executive chairman, Cook will assist with certain aspects of the company, including engaging with policymakers around the world. This gives me the impression that at least for the near-term, Cook will still be the one groveling to the Trump White House. Whatever you think about that, that's probably helpful for Ternus' dealings with the next administration.
- nxobject 5mo agoThe big bucks are for simultaneously groveling to Trump and China’s leaders. China usually makes or breaks the quarterly numbers after all.
- pharos92 5mo agoSaying Apple Software is 'terrible' is a blatant hyperbole. Has it degraded meaningfully over the last decade in terms of stability? Yes. Has it's capability increased though? Yes. Has it become more secure by design? Yes. Is the UX better than anything else in market? By a country mile.
- tensor 5mo agoThe UX used to be better by a country mile. The liquid glass update was a genuinely serious regression. Is Windows or Android now better? At least those operating systems don't have constant contrast issues and flickering. At this point they probably have more consistency. MacOS reliability has slowly gotten worse and worse, but the UX drop with liquid glass was profound.
- Schiendelman 5mo agoI don't agree with the whining about liquid glass. Sure, it isn't the design you like. But usability really isn't that different.
- tensor 5mo agoNo, it's objectively bad in terms of usability. There is also the matter of taste, but I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about UX, not style. UX is about functionality and usability. Contrast is an objective measure. There are well studied and known levels where you can have trouble reading, or an easy time reading. Similarly, things like drag regions not even aligning with visual elements are literally indefensible. This stuff is so basic you'd fail a UX 101 course with it. Things like spotlight defaulting to the newest item so that when you hit enter and it changes your selected item the millisecond before you hit enter. I'm not even sure how you'd try to defend UI elements literally flickering as either style or not affecting usability. It's objectively bad by a great many widely agreed upon and studied standards.
- rafram 5mo agoContrast was bad in the first couple bets, but now it’s very similar to iOS 18.
- gabbagool 5mo agoI'm genuinely curious why you think Apple software is terrible?
- CrimsonCape 5mo agoWhen was the last time you used the clusterf* that is iTunes on windows? Or more generically answer the question: how can I get an arbitrary audio file into my iTunes music? (hint: good luck) Music 'synced' with iTunes but not appearing on my other devices? There must be some kind of arbitrary difference between 'synced with iTunes' and 'synced with iCloud'. I guarantee this is some kind of (barely) maintained legacy syncing to keep the iTunes workflow alive specifically so Apple can avoid giving users a modern 'import to my cloud library' feature.
- CrimsonCape 5mo agoAlso, remember guys, you can't have a shell on iphone because. Nor a text editor. Because. ssh into your iphone? hah. These are all software issues.
- charcircuit 5mo agoA shell is not useful on a touch screen device. iOS comes with a text editor built in. Memo. Ssh server doesn't make sense for an iPhone. How would that even work? It wouldn't be able to do anything or be a worse experience than something properly designed for the user rather than trying to force a 50 year old computing model onto a phone.
- throwaway173738 5mo agoI’m very upset that iOS doesn’t support using a phone as a jump box.
- saintfire 5mo agoYou say this matter of factly and yet I've seen countless people talk about using termux more than a desktop shell. Maybe iPhone is different but most phones you can connect a keyboard to, making the shell pretty usable. Not my cup of tea but I have tried it. I'm still holding out on the dream that a good Linux phone might exist one day.
- JeremyHerrman 5mo agore: US Politics, I view Apple's gift of the gold & glass trophy to Trump more as a humiliation ritual Cook had to endure so that they can continue to uphold their principles, but with a less adversarial government. Sure it's gross but it does not necessarily signal an abandonment of values from Apple.
- tastyface 5mo agoDisagree. Cook shows up to dinner parties with Trump all the time. I think he genuinely feels solidarity with the Epstein class.
- LexGray 5mo agoDisagree. Trump is 100% willing and apparently able to crush American businesses unless they kneel. If watching a movie and giving him a gold toilet seat bought off that extortionist it was probably the cheapest any tech firm got off. Cook made the right call not to let Apple get destroyed by our whimsical overlord.
- tastyface 5mo agoYet he keeps going to his parties and schmoozing with his cronies. I don't recall Pichai or Nadella giving Trump a gold trinket to save their businesses.
- arduanika 5mo agoTapping a hardware guy as CEO sends a good signal, at least to me, looking in from the outside. The company is leading from its strength, and getting back to its roots. I wonder how Woz feels today, seeing this. But somewhere in the mix, Apple could also really use another great product mind, like the other Steve. It has been too long since the last era-defining product from Cupertino. I have no idea what that next big thing would be. And of course, a bad product mind in charge is worse than none at all! If the next big leaps come from other companies while Apple just keeps doing what it does best in the hardware categories that it already dominates, then I guess that's fine, too.
- hedora 5mo agoIf they are going to tap a HW guy as CEO, the next big thing should be giving exec comp and positions to every member of the Asahi Linux team, and putting them in charge of SW at Apple.
- Danox 5mo agoNo don’t waste any time on Linux, Apple memory independence, clustering and moving on to M5, M6, M7, and beyond, a technocrat in charge yes, hopefully Apple will continue to iterate across the software ecosystems and the hardware systems.
- stetrain 5mo agoOfficial support for alternative OSes would be nice, but no reason to throw everything out to make that happen.
- hedora 5mo agoI wasn’t arguing everything be thrown out, just that a competent group be put in charge, and also that they open the HW up so there is competition on the SW side. If you put third party support under macos leadership or next to it on the org chart, it’d be systematically sabotaged to death. That org hasn’t delivered anything useful in a decade (“useful” == “a user might notice and care”), so there’s no evidence current leadership could ship leadshot from a wet paper bag, even if they wanted to. Also, they’d nearly double their laptop share overnight if they did this, and it’d cost them 10-20 FTEs.
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- dlahoda 5mo agoby apple software, you mean ios or macos?
- nobodyandproud 5mo agoThe user privacy can’t be overstressed. It and a sane release cycle are what keeps me on Apple.
- nixass 5mo agoit means nothing when the UX is hot garbage
- tjwebbnorfolk 5mo agoI spend my entire day in VSCode and Chrome. Who actually interacts with the built-in OS UI anymore?
- riazrizvi 5mo agoCook was a steward of Apple as an offshored manufacturing behemoth. I'm looking forward to where this reset goes. Hopefully better and American made products. The privacy focus is why Apple is dominant today, keep that up.
- levocardia 5mo agoSo you're looking forward to a $2000 iPhone 18e?
- riazrizvi 5mo agoPricing is based on customer value and restriction of customer options. If we're paying $1000 for a Chinese phone that we'd pay $2000 for, we'll end up paying that price when the manufacturers have finally starved the professional capability to compete from the rest of the world. As we get closer to that point, the urgency to onshore is increasing. Exploitation when we can get away with it is in our social nature as humans. So this isn't about the Chinese, or any other culture. It's just necessary for this to be onshored because it's critical.
- nozzlegear 5mo ago> we'll end up paying that price when the manufacturers have finally starved the professional capability to compete from the rest of the world What does this look like, in practice? Once China and India and Vietnam "starve the professional capability to compete" (presumably in the manufacture of smart phones) from the US, what would actually change and why?
- riazrizvi 5mo agoThis would be a world where the top talent and training capability for that talent lives there. Our universities would have deteriorated, our professional class at this top level would have died off or relocated over there. Probably an example I can think of is the once great textile industry of Britain that is now in Asia.
- tty456 5mo agoI feel like Apple's biggest challenges these next 10 years will be logistics, being able to create or take advantage of additional redundancy in the supply chain for their major components.
- Danox 5mo agoWith Ternus being the new CEO don’t be surprised if Apple takes a more active role in designing around the three Stooges of memory and bring it (the design and engineering) in house like the rest of the Apple Silicon chips.
- alex1138 5mo agoI'll forever associate Tim Cook with Zuck And his "kind of glib" No, Zuck, you're just mad Apple introduced fine grained control so you can't constantly scrape people's credentials
- nozzlegear 5mo agoYou reminded me of Tim's "you should buy [your grandma] an iPhone" quip which was based (on good advice).
- nodesocket 5mo ago> Apple software is terrible When is the last time you used Windows 11? I begrudgingly have to run it on my gaming PC and almost every time it's a frustrating experience where I want to put my fist through my monitor. Absolutely awful, zero taste, that will-do software. Windows explorer I believe is still single threaded, the integration of OneDrive into everything (my desktop is stored in OneDrive for some reason) with little to no way to undo it. Don't even get me started on Copilot. My blood pressure just rose off the charts.
- unsupp0rted 5mo ago> this spoiled cheese tastes terrible > when’s the last time you tried spoiled milk then?
- syabro 5mo agoThere are still levels below “terrible”
- unsupp0rted 5mo agoThe less companies “participate in US politics”, the better for all involved
- vovavili 5mo ago>Apple software is terrible That's a wild claim.
- ebbi 5mo ago> maybe a change in leadership will change how Apple participates in US politics I think you're attributing a lot more agency to a CEO role (for a publicly listed company, at the least) than they actually have.
- tokyobreakfast 5mo ago> Apple hardware is already amazing Apple also made some amazing hardware blunders. My personal favorite is the force-touch home button on the previous generation iPhones and iPads wouldn't work if you were wearing a band-aid. I don't mean the fingerprint reader, it wouldn't even click. So don't ever cut yourself if you were planning to unlock your phone ever. It added basically nothing for the end user over the previous physical home button besides rendering the vibrate function wimpy and useless.
- hamdingers 5mo agoHome button issues were one of the most common hardware problems on iPhones <7. The haptic button evaporated an entire class of critical failures, hardly a blunder.
- kulahan 5mo agoDon't forget that to shut down an iPhone, you need to remember the secret button combination. Of course holding the power button down doesn't shut it off. Why would it? That's just a standard held by EVERY OTHER ELECTRONIC DEVICE IN EXISTENCE. Man, I love Apple, but their stupidity is beyond baffling sometimes. No Siri updates for 10 years, making the hardware harder to use, single-handed use is no longer as easy or comfortable, and they haven't done... anything(?) revolutionary in AGES. Their latest gaff was the Neo - a phone stretched out as much as possible to make a "laptop". They couldn't even bother to make the logo shiny on it, it was such a departure from true Apple style. Let's not forget the 92 lenses on the back of the phone that stick out a quarter inch, a screen that's nearly impossible to replace, and the hilariously pathetic "iphone repair kit" they lend you. I have zero confidence in this guy. Nothing he had oversight over has gone well, as far as I'm concerned.
- ergocoder 5mo ago> a renaissance How many renaissances does one company need? Apple hasn't had enough? lol
- whatever1 5mo agoThe shareholders expect more profits. So no, the only way is ads and fees on the best sellers. If they can make 50B from ads in the iPhone in 12 months why invent a new device that will make pennies. Sorry folks, the math is brutal for the big corps. They cannot pivot and make cool things, the market demands to be milked until they bleed.
- aibrahem 5mo agoFor all the faults of these companies, their founders and CEOs, I genuinely believe the world would have been a bit of a sadder place without companies like Apple and Google. That’s not something I can say about most companies (Microsoft), and honestly, there are companies I think the world would be better off without entirely (Oracle).
- stetrain 5mo agoMy guess is that Cook will continue to handle some of the hairier political situations, letting Ternus focus on Apple itself.
- dev1ycan 5mo agoApple under Tim Cook stopped innovating, entirely. If Steve was stil alive he'd still be competing we'd probably have Safari on Windows to this day... and cheaper computers (like the NEO but with upgradeable RAM)
- wtallis 5mo ago> If Steve was stil alive he'd still be competing we'd probably have Safari on Windows to this day... and cheaper computers (like the NEO but with upgradeable RAM) The MacBook Pro started using non-removable batteries in 2009. Also: https://www.folklore.org/Diagnostic_Port.html https://www.folklore.org/Diagnostic_Port.html I don't think your fantasy that Steve would have staunchly defended upgradable RAM in the past decade has much grounding in reality. It seems entirely likely that he would have supported the switch to LPDDR to enable better battery life, higher performance and thinner form factors at the cost of sacrificing that upgradability.
- Rapzid 5mo agoIf he were going to do that he'd already have been doing it just like Tim locking down logistics long before he became CEO. Don't count on it.
- TimTheTinker 5mo agoI too deeply appreciate the commitment to user privacy they've demonstrated. Their head of user privacy is a man of integrity and commitment. At the same time, privacy on internet-connected devices is like true liberty and justice -- rare, precious, fragile, and easily lost without active pursuit and sacrifice. I hope Temus has the courage and principle to keep fighting the good fight.
- pretzel5297 5mo ago> I also want to say I really appreciate Tim Cook’s emphasis on user privacy and I hope John Ternus can continue this trend. You're kidding right? News [1] just broke about how Apple's permanent notification storage (that they refuse to fix) undermines encryption and is being exploited by law enforcement. And they conveniently left out the fact that they were giving out push notification data to law enforcement without any warrants from their transparency reports [2]. And these are just from the top of my head. Do we now presume all companies putting the word privacy on their ads are emphasizing privacy? Because Meta and Google does that too. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/larsdaniel/2026/04/10/fbi-pulled-deleted-signal-messages-from-an-iphone-without-breaking-encryption/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/larsdaniel/2026/04/10/fbi-pulle... [2] https://www.wired.com/story/apple-google-push-notification-surveillance/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-google-push-notification-s...
- raincole 5mo agoWow, the worst example of violation of privacy is...(wait for it) local push notification storage being plaintext. We already bought it, no need to sell more Apple product to us!
- fchicken 5mo agoI mean... Really what apple is doing is putting a spin on their core business model of selling users the technology rather than renting it to them by subsidizing its development through spying. It's not so much that privacy is apple's goal, but rather privacy is inherent to apple's business model (unlike google, which has always been spyware).
- DeathArrow 5mo ago>Mind you, Apple hardware is already amazing, but hopefully it can be even better with Ternus at the helm. Apple software is terrible, and hopefully Ternus can turn that around. It used to be the other way around, nice software and mediocre hardware.
- ulfw 5mo agoApple's hardware (at least when it comes to their best selling products) is behind the times though. Relatively old and small camera sensors, no new battery tech and falling behind manufacturers using silicon-carbon (most evident on the mediocre iPhone Air battery runtime), no design innovation, no alternative form factors etc
- insane_dreamer 5mo agoSiri was pretty bad, though it's noticeably better recently. But MacOS is excellent IMO, and Apple's office suite is still my favorite (and I've worked extensively on Win/Lin/Mac for the past 25 years). I can't say I have any more gripes about their SW than most others.
- ece 5mo agoThe problem with Apple software is they stop competition where it makes them money through lock-in. Apple ARM CPUs are great, but the GPUs do leave things to be desired, and they stop competition there too on their platforms.
- potatoproduct 5mo agoApple doesn't care about privacy, its a convenient USP.
- Tepix 5mo agoThey have behaved in a consistent matter to emphasize user privacy. What makes you say they don‘t care?
- lachlanj 5mo agoDon’t expect anything to change re politics. The CEO has to look out for the interest of the company.