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Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

• matwood 4y ago
  Layoffs make news, but if you look at the numbers they are relatively small compared to all the hiring the last few years. We have gone from the best time ever in history to be in IT, to a great time to be in IT. There are a lot of jobs if you step outside big tech (and targeted jobs in big tech with certain skills).
  • 1-6 4y ago
    Depending on how you view things, layoffs are only starting. Companies are taking a wait and see approach before taking everything off the table. Some are predicting 2023Q1 to be when it peaks.
    • type-r 4y ago
      Source?
      • tickerticker 4y ago
        Not OP, but weigh these. Recession case: inflation depresses other spending, new home starts are decreasing, strong dollar, Chinese economy wobbly, EU economy weak, continued supply chain disruptions, PMI weaker, ad spending curtailed. Soft landing case: Goldilocks scenario for USA employment; inflation has decreased; chip shortage over; few layoffs outside tech; airline, hospitality, defense, healthcare, energy sectors booming; China economy may strengthen with softened zero-covid policy.
    • tootie 4y ago
      ProTip: Absolutely nobody knows. There are indicators this way and that. The predominant point of view I see in the sensible press it that a global recession centered around China is likely for 2023, but the US will likely be more insulated than most. Things could much worse, but it's now considered unlikely with a soft landing looking pretty plausible. But really the data are increasingly hard to predict and looking ahead more than a month or two at a time is mostly guesswork.
  • hoherd 4y ago
    Yup. Even with Meta's huge layoff, they still have more employees now than they did a year ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/yqweue/oc_meta_lays_off_11k_people_after_growing/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/yqweue/oc_...
  • dublidu 4y ago
    That doesn’t matter to laid off people if most companies have a hiring freeze and there’s net reduction in tech workforce. It means most laid off people won’t get jobs until companies start growing again.
• freddealmeida 4y ago
  silly. the onus is on those posting. nothing to do with AI. if you post shit, you are shit.
• chlmtt 4y ago
  I used to work at a hardware store. As in literal bolts and nuts type of tech, not software related:) Recently lost my job. Originally from Kazakhstan. Thinking of going back if I can't find anything else. No credentials to speak of other than the fact that I could probably think my way out of an undergrad level abstract algebra or real analysis problem if cornered. Maybe topology, too. Native speaker of both Kazakh and Russian. Speak rudimentary Turkish, but could easily pick it up to a decent level if necessary. Currently studying CLRS to finally learn how to design algos. Also, trying to pick up Mandarin. Maybe I'll be able to immigrate to China in the coming years. Shenzhen or Hong Kong area. I'll just leave this here in case anyone has a remote work for me :)
  • cosmic_quanta 4y ago
    I don't have any work for you, but it would have helped if you had described your software engineering / computer science skills in more details. I'm not familiar with CLRS.
    • de_or_ca 4y ago
      CLRS is a fairly well-known algorithms textbook: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_Algorithms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_Algorithms The acronym comes from its authors: (Cormen, Leiserson, Rivest, Stein)
    • barefoot 4y ago
      CLRS = Cormen, Leiserson, Rivest, Stein - The authors of the famous book Introduction to Algorithms.
    • ido 4y ago
      It's a classic undergrad CS textbook: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_Algorithms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_Algorithms
    • chlmtt 4y ago
      The other users correctly disambiguated CLRS. I am not experienced with software other than the rudimentary syntax of Python and Scheme. Read a CS book years ago based on the latter. Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone had any kind of job for me. Maybe something like data entry. Would have to learn coding in earnest after I pick up algo design techniques from CLRS.
• ryandetzel 4y ago
  Laid off from Twitter three weeks ago, lots of interest and cool companies out there. I binged interviews and have three offers to consider. Senior eng with 20 years experience
  • a-bit-of-code 4y ago
    For that kind of seniority/experience, what fraction of companies asked LeetCodey stuff? Was it easy or medium/hard problems? How much time did you have to spend preparing/practicing?
    • adamcharnock 4y ago
      Not the OP, but with similar experience levels and I’ve never done a LeetCode interview, and even regular interviews are pretty light. I mostly contract though, and they generally offer me full time after a little while if I want it.
      • Jenk 4y ago
        Also not OP, and also similar experience. Most of my interviews are an hour or two of conversation, sometimes with a "I've been told I have to ask.. " techy question but never involves any actual code/whiteboard. Several times the interviewer has said something to the effect of "I won't insult you by asking you to do a tech test, it's clear to me that you understand the work" or similar. One occassion (some years ago now) I've replied to a request to complete a tech test with a "Would you rather look at my open source code/contributions?" which they did and I didn't need to perform the test.
        • ARandomerDude 4y ago
          Not quite as experienced as you (I’m in the 10-15 year bracket). I never ask LeetCode questions because it’s far easier on both sides to ask experience-based questions like “what do you like/dislike about <technology on your resume>?” If I get superficial answers that tells me something. If i get well thought-out answers from people who have clearly spent time in the trenches that tells me something too.
• joxel 4y ago
  I’ve been getting more messages from recruiters since the layoffs (not laid off myself — federal employee) for machine learning research engineer work. If you’ve been laid off and have those skills, could be fairly easy to land a job.
• rvz 4y ago
  One may suggest to 'learn to code', but it is not enough this time. Perhaps now one may say, it is time to 'learn to adapt', since with the recent release of ChatGPT now gives the excuse for managers to be more motivated to hire less engineers and programmers as the cheap money has essentially evaporated. So this time it is indeed different and I would expect less engineers to be hired and more programming jobs to become very competitive. No-one is safe; and that includes 'seniors'.
  • throwaway71271 4y ago
    This is just as good as a prediction as the alternative: ChatGPT will be the new gold age of programming, all you need in any company is only programmers, all kinds of programmers, no other job will be able to do anything of value. So everyone who knows how to do a for loop is safe. Or the extreme, we finally have to move to post-money society, because automation is no longer creating any jobs.
    • rvz 4y ago
      Except that my statement isn't extreme or supports either extreme. I said 'less' programmers, not 'none' or only programmers / all people being programmers. I still stand by that no-one (including Big Tech companies) is safe, especially after the 2022 tech layoffs which happened to many and tools like ChatGPT will eventually reduce the need to hire lots of programmers like before. It is not going to be the same as the hiring euphoria that happened last year.
      • throwaway71271 4y ago
        I understand you disagree, but I am pointing out that you can just as well predict extremely positive outcomes instead of your pessimistic ones, which you probably convince yourself are 'realistic', but there is no such thing as 'realistic' predictions, because we live in true emergent chaos. So, you have a choice how to look at the world.
  • robertlagrant 4y ago
    > since with the recent release of ChatGPT now gives the excuse for managers to be inclined to hire less engineers and programmers as the cheap money has essentially evaporated I don't understand the relevance of ChatGPT to this.
• 0xsnowcrash 4y ago
  I'm regularly getting enquiries but I do DevOps (AWS, Kubernetes and Istio) so I guess my skillset is still in demand. I guess what's more important for me is the type of work. I'm looking for startup work that's a bit more secure now, if that's possible, lol! Doesn't seem so easy to find.
  • kmac_ 4y ago
    Bunch of companies migrate their stack to Kubernetes or other orchestrators (side effect of moving to microservices even when not needed) so you are safe and in demand for long.
    • yarky 4y ago
      > even when not needed Examples? Every time I see kubernetes pop up it's because of better performance or lesser costs.
      • k8savu 4y ago
        Anecdotal example, though I'm sure I'm not the only one: We had a C++ service. It needed high availability, but didn't have super high resource requirements. Our setup was an ec2 instance (c5.xlarge) to build and release AMIs (a bash script using debootstrap to build the AMI which someone wrote 10 years ago probably), an autoscaling group of 3 t2.small instances spread across AZs, and an ALB. The total cost of this was perhaps $200/mo, and we had incredibly good uptime. So, what's the catch? Well, it took the service about 20 minutes to build, and about 35 minutes from clicking the "deploy new version" to it actually running. Someone higher up noticed, and a bright-eyed infra engineer said k8s would make the deploy cycle faster. Fast forward a year. Our autoscaling group is now 3 c5.xlarge instances because the kubelet + docker + coredns + all this other k8s gunk I don't understand need significantly more CPU than our app does (and without giving them more CPU, deploy times were much slower since downloading and unpacking the image was so slow). We have a new logging system (our old logging setup wasn't cloud native apparently) that takes a gig more memory per node. A gig of memory per node to support our service, which peaks at 200MiB RSS. Building and deploying a new version still takes about 35 minutes because compiling C++ is the exact same speed in a dockerfile as it is on an ec2 instance. It costs about $600/mo, and it has far more operational load. When it isn't having any issues, the p99 is identical. > better performance or lesser costs It seems like the opposite of what you'd expect. K8s is adding more components. It's adding more resource usage. Why wouldn't that be slower and cost more?
• throw_aws_inter 4y ago
  I interviewed for 1.5 months (!!!) for AWS for a senior position, went through all the stages through the end. Then silence. I kept emailing the recruiters responsible for my interview, I kept getting out-of-office replies. Then I contacted some higher ups I found, told me they assigned my interview to other recruiters. No replies from them though. I have emailed them a bunch of times including the higher up. Then the news about Amazon layoffs got out; I presume they all got fired? What a gigantic waste of time. Tons of stress for 2-3 months for nothing.
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  • mrjin 4y ago
    I would say not that bad if you take it from a different angle: what if you managed to get there and then laying off started?
    • nicolas_t 4y ago
      Wouldn't that be better? They'd get a severance pay?
      • hawski 4y ago
        Most certainly not, because they would not work long enough.
        • bluGill 4y ago
          since amazon has a policy to layoff the bottom 6% every year (numbers may be off), any good manager will be constantly looking for someone to hire into the bottom 6% role so they can keep their good people. Since they are not actually looking for someone who can do a good job they don't care if they treat you well.
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• ghostoftiber 4y ago
  I feel like this should be a "Who's hiring" thread. But anyway - we're always hiring if you're into small consulting companies. We mostly do AWS, Azure, and not a lot of GCP (sad because I like GCP), and it's almost 100% K8s. You will have to be able to get a CKA, CKAD, or CKS at some point. Need to be in the US. Send resumes to Josh@BoxBoat.Com
  • mekster 4y ago
    How many valid inquiries do you get by posting in non "Who's hiring" thread?
    • ghostoftiber 4y ago
      As of this afternoon, seven. When I post in a who's hiring thread... actually I don't like to post in a who's hiring thread because I end up with way too many conversations.
• inglor 4y ago
  I haven't interviewed myself and I've suffered working for a corporate that is hiring but also not hiring dealing with the same sort of bullshit "throw_aws_inter" is dealing with but from the other side (being told simultaneously we really need to hire + that we're on a hiring freeze and still hiring in practice). I do however mentor a bunch of juniors (less than 2 years of experience) and the 3 that got laid off got a bunch of offers within a month. It took more interviews but my experience from the last few weeks is that there are still a lot more jobs than applicants.
• tfsh 4y ago
  Wasn't laid off (end of contract) but spent ~3 months looking and interviewing for jobs. Applied to about 30 positions, heard back from 3 and received 1 offer for Google. Didn't exactly give me confidence about the future when I may be looking for another job... YOE: 3
  • tombh 4y ago
    Does "heard back from 3" include even acknowledgments that you made contact?
  • j33zusjuice 4y ago
    Dude. You got an offer from Google. How do you not have confidence for the future?! Google took you! Who cares what the places that didn’t take you think? *GOOGLE* thinks you’re good. That’s a hell of a statement. But getting a job at Google tells you that your overall skillset was not the problem. You just didn’t match the other positions as well as some others for some reason. FAANG level jobs are always hard to get, always hyper-competitive. You’re obviously good enough to be there, so the worst case scenario is likely that you’d have to leave the prestige of FAANG and similar. You’ll be employable for as long as you want to be, I’m sure.
    • bityard 4y ago
      Google may pay well and look good to future employers, but the internet is littered with stories about Google's weird promotion-driven-development culture and the stress/disappointment it can cause. I genuinely wish GP the best but it's not a company I would want to work for if I had another option.
      • hbn 4y ago
        If I ended up at Google I'd probably keep my head way down, only showing up and getting the work done because everything about it seems like a toxic work environment these days. But I can't help but think it's worth leveraging an offer like that, if not only as a favor to your future self. Go in planning to work for like a year, near the end start looking for a jobs and I have a feeling there will be a ton of companies drooling at someone wanting to leave Google for them. But you do you!
• negamax 4y ago
  Based on a small sample set. Seems like hiring is picking up. Most tech companies are still at higher valuation then pre pandemic times. They were profitable and hiring. Bold statement: Tech will pick up first. And companies who are making noise based on Elon's move at Twitter will strave for good workers and die
  • newaccount2021 4y ago
  • donkeyd 4y ago
    Tech hasn't slowed down. High-burn SV companies are slowing down and large SV companies seem to be cutting cost. Small, normal companies haven't been able to fill positions for ages though, so they might finally be able to catch some fish now. Not great for the salaries of those used to FAANG and high burn salaries, but nobody should have to worry about having a job.
• fukthat 4y ago
  I'm sure most devs will be fine, as illustrated by some of the replies, it's the purple haired product managers and head of diversity staff I feel sorry for /s
• dinofile 4y ago
• samhuk 4y ago
  Didn't get laid off but resigned around a month ago after a long stretch of non-stop work since I was basically a kid (worked through college, university, and straight after O_o). Basically for a little break and to focus on doing some real intense OSS. Been a wild, challenging, and rewarding 1.5 months so far. Applied to a couple places that were working on some interesting things, some even related to my own OSS, reached out by AWS but I wasn't willing to relocate to Sweden so I broke that off. I did my first "leetcode interview" a few weeks back and did quite well I think for someone who A) has only done around 5 leetcode problems for fun ~5 years ago, B) comes from a Physics, not CS background, C) is a quick learner and solver, not rote-learning BFS and DFS kind of guy. 7 YOE in web dev, full-stack. Leaving this here if anyone has any remote work for me :) EDIT: For anyone accessing my site, I apologize in advance for slowness or crashes, it's hosted in my residence on a puny server sitting behind me :( I've been meaning to cloud it for a while now but I kind of like the DIY of it all.
  • gk1 4y ago
    Your website doesn’t load.
    • j33zusjuice 4y ago
      It loads for me.
    • chenshuiluke 4y ago
      Seems to load now
    • iso1631 4y ago
      Fine for me in firefox, at least gives me a white page with menu items.
    • samhuk 4y ago
      Ah, sorry, I have edited my original comment. TL;DR it's a very little server sitting right behind me, and gets easily stressed.
• enraged_camel 4y ago
  I primarily write Elixir these days. At first I was worried that there wouldn't be a lot of Elixir jobs, but the ones I did apply to have mostly gotten back to me and I've been interviewing. I have 5 years of experience with the language, FWIW.
  • calvinmorrison 4y ago
    There's a motorcycle parts store that's on elixir in my area. Almost learned elixir just for that
  • rengler33 4y ago
    I'm compiling a list of companies confirmed to be using elixir (not just suggesting it as a language in the description), dm me if you'd care to share lists
• throwaway908365 4y ago
  Have not been laid off and I am not living in the bay area, but in Germany. Still wanted to offer some perspective. ~15 years fullstack and DevOps experience, visited top local university, no degree. Mostly Python + some other languages. Have been interviewing for Lead SE/DevOps/SRE roles as well as some architecture positions. My findings about the German job market for developers: - Remote-work is here to stay. Almost all companies are okay with full-remote, those who are not, want ~2 days in the office per week. - Companies are starting to do leetcode-style interviews. Sometimes some FizzBuzz level to check basic understanding, going up to harder problems unrelated to the position. Unless they are very hard, you will just get used to that. - Remote or hybrid meetings with multiple participants are horrible for interviewing. The delay makes you come across slow and is very distracting, when you need to look sharp. - If you want to earn money in Germany, you have to join a bigger company. - Bigger companies do their development in Java with a minority being MS shops. Python is for data science and DevOps. - The missing degree is mostly not a problem. Sometimes the CTO's PHD makes it one. - Landing lead/lower management roles seems to be difficult if you have limited experience leading people. Those seem to be mostly staffed internally. - The market value for a profile like mine in a big German city seems to be around 100k € including some small bonus. - There are many offers under that number. I think I would get hired almost instantly if I would accept offers for 80k €. - All-in all IT does not seem affected by the downturn yet. While these numbers are not directly comparable to the US (lower cost of living, better social security, health-insurance included and not tied to your job etc.) my subjective feeling is, that I am getting taken advantage of here. Salaries seem to be too low. You are often getting low-balled because "it would not fit within the salaries of the other team members". For the time being, freelancing is the way to go in Germany, even though you are fighting against regulations.
  • xii23 4y ago
    You can get way more than 100k if you’re applying to tier 1 and tier 2 companies in Berlin. I’m at around 160k (6 yoe); but I agree with you, we are getting paid less for the same work as our American coworkers
    • FlyingSnake 4y ago
• jasonlotito 4y ago
  It is not saturated. Not many companies laid people off in tech. They were just big names with bigger numbers but there are a lot of jobs. Yes, if you are only looking a MANGA-like companies sure. But there are a lot of jobs out there.
  • bushbaba 4y ago
    Many of those jobs would be at a significant pay cut though
• cahoot_bird 4y ago
  Not laid off, but webdev I've been applying about a year. About the past 3-4 months have been harder to land interviews than early on, even if I write sample code in company's stack/language and contact them. Have an online portfolio and contract work experience.
• Veelox 4y ago
  I got laid off last week. I have had ~40 linkedin messages so far. Turned that into ~10 initial calls. I am waiting to hear from ~7 hiring managers. I hope to have a job offer signed in the next month.
• the_only_law 4y ago
  I was laid off a week before thanksgiving. Job search has been going pretty bad. Only a few screen out rejections and a handful of obnoxious crap recruiters have contacted me. No interviews yet.
  • Ancapistani 4y ago
    I've been there. The last time around was in 2020. It seemed like it took forever to get any response. Even when I was able to get through the interview process, it just stalled and I didn't hear back at all. I thought I was being ghosted. I finally took an offer in late January. By March I'd had no fewer than five companies come back with written offers out of the blue, long after I'd forgotten about them.
• muffa 4y ago
  Got laid off in June, was contacted with a lot of different opportutities but most of them were start-ups with no revenue. I joined a start-up which has been a horrible experience(Toxic culture) and I'm back looking for a new job again. I think I had something like 3-4 offers rescinded and a couple of interviews where I reached the final stage just to be informed that the company halted hiring.
  • mastersummoner 4y ago
    I've been really lucky with my startup experience so far. The two I've worked for have both had really great, though different, environments. My most recent startup was 4 to 5 people and it was absolutely fantastic.
• single_identity 4y ago
  It's quite bad atm. Senior C++ engineer specializing in system-level programming, worked across several challenging domains including database internals for the last several years. 10+ years of experience. Applied to around 25 jobs. Ghosted by 15 of them. Out of the 10 remaining, 3 of them are limited in terms of remote - to be considered you have to reside within certain countries. From the remaining 7 I only got the interview round with 1 of them. Did not get an offer because I was not strong enough candidate despite successfully going through 5 interview rounds. Whole process was very slow and lasted for about 1.5 month, with not getting the feedback something like 2-3 weeks after the last round. All in all very weird experience and unexpected outcome with no strong arguments. From the remaining 6 I did not even get an invite to an interview but a direct decline. Getting the (systems programming related) remote job while located in Europe seems like an impossible task to me right now.
  • zamalek 4y ago
    > Did not get an offer because I was not strong enough candidate I was laid off last year and went to interview at an adjacent employer. They had a bunch of employees (not only engineers) hired from the company that was laying me off. One of which had previously walked out the door with a bunch of code to form their own startup; they were hired as a staff engineer. That employee frequently reached out to me for advice and guidance on writing the piece of code that they made off with. I flunked their cargo-culting hiring process hard. I knew I should have walked out of the interview the minute they put fucking Leetcode in front of me, but didn't. Moral of the story: your interview success has little to do with your experience and aptitude as an engineer. Here's a list of shops where you might find more success: https://github.com/poteto/hiring-without-whiteboards https://github.com/poteto/hiring-without-whiteboards
  • redwood 4y ago
    Where in Europe?
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• JoeAltmaier 4y ago
  Contract ended with slowdown/pullback in expensed. Already have another part-time deal starting next quarter. Some initial billable hours in Dec. So not bad.
• bitL 4y ago
  I know a guy that left one FAANG recently which was laying off people, interviewed at two other FAANGs, got offers for senior remote roles for over $600k, accepted both and is now working two jobs at the same time. Given he was doing the previous FAANG together with a tough grad school, I think he'll be fine.
  • olah_1 4y ago
    Is that legal? In the interview, you basically have to lie about your employment situation, right?
    • tvanantwerp 4y ago
      How many CEO's are CEO'ing for more than one company? If they can do it, why not the plebs?
      • bitL 4y ago
        Well, you aren't supposed to destroy the fabric of society! /s How do you think society would work if there was no restriction on the size of the group that is allowed to break the laws for their own benefit?! Imagine the horror if all plebs were allowed to do that! Could everyone live in Monaco or what?
        • Der_Einzige 4y ago
          Util(itsrianism) is truth(tilitarianism) The categorical imperative deserves to stay in the dustbin of history.
      • SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
        Because the plebs sign contracts saying they won’t. It’s not illegal, just highly unethical. It’s also not true, he does not know someone doing this.
        • bitL 4y ago
• khet 4y ago
  I've been looking for a remote design + engineering role, but it really seems like most companies are not hiring or just have way too many options to choose from! I've got 10+ years as a design who is also a full stack engineer (node stack). If you're hiring for a role that is well-rounded product, please message me, I'd love to talk. Portfolio link in my profile.
  • alfalfasprout 4y ago
    Hang in there! End of year is usually bad but now it's MUCH worse. Typically you'll see some improvement earlier in the year.
• silvanocerza 4y ago
  Been laid off in September, interviewed for a month and accepted an offer at the end of October. I'll be starting in mid January since am legally still employed with the old company until 31 December. Still employed since that's how we get our severance, so am enjoying the time off. The thing that bothered me the most was that I had to update my CV, interview again and all the things related to that. I landed that job in March so I really didn't feel like finding a new one, I also liked the place. I have a nice resume so was pretty confident I'd find something before the end of the year, so I didn't feel much anxious about it.
  • OhNoNotAgain_99 4y ago
• Arubis 4y ago
  If you're having trouble finding new work, know that the turn of the year is _always_ slow, every year. Hiring tends to pick up mid- to late January.
  • betterthanlast 4y ago
    I'd like to second this. Hang in there, we're probably going to be hiring starting in January. Right now things are kind of on ice because of the holidays. Even if we wanted to get started today (and it's tough with our own department's senior people taking time off), it's hard to move the HR people and get the budgets approved, it's hard to get the GM sign off on a hire if we want them (though that's kind of a formality, frankly), etc. In January the world starts turning again and those things get easier. Hard as it is, try to hang in there, it will get better in a month or so.
  • clumsysmurf 4y ago
    During the turn of the year, do you think its better to wait until January to apply? I imagine people coming back from the office and just purging the last 30 days of resumes :(
    • Arubis 4y ago
      Maybe? Depends on what you need personally. If you need a job _now_, by all means, keep going. Just know that the system isn't as friendly right now, so it's not your fault when things are hard. If you've got the runway to take a month, ask yourself: would you benefit more from building the inertia of keeping down the job application path, or from taking a breather and starting fresh in the new year? Both are valid.
  • sys_64738 4y ago
    It is when I've dealt with hiring but my last position I got two offers back in Christmas time 2018. Go figure.
  • mattezell 4y ago
    Yup! Knowing this, I'd intended to put off seeking for a new gig, but once recruiters know you're on the market in any capacity, they start beating down the door - I assume to stay busy, meet their quotas/goals, and to build up a list of potentials for when hiring actually picks back up. After going through 2-3 rounds of interviews with 3 different companies since mid-Nov, all of which signaled "we love you and will be moving quickly with you" during the interview process, only to have them finally follow up with "some of our internal needs have changed with the end of year approaching, but we'll be in touch", I figured for my sanity and so that I could enjoy a little bit of my funemployment, that I'd just be upfront with them and set some boundaries. Now, I've basically just been communicating "I appreciate your interest, but this is a bad time of year for bringing on new hires when considering year's end, so let's plan on touching base in January". We will see if this works out in my benefit or not - but it quickly became clear that we were all just wasting each others time going through multiple rounds of calls and exercises during the end of Nov and Dec.
• OhNoNotAgain_99 4y ago
• gigatexal 4y ago
  Not sure this is appropriate but if anyone wants to interview with a really cool food delivery company [1](I know, I know -- I think we can make the business model work but if not, in the mean time, come help us try!) hit me up at alexandar dot narayan at delivery hero (no space) dot com. Or check out careers.deliveryhero.com. The culture is awesome, the pay is good, the stock price has a ton of upside potential. Work life balance is amazing here in Berlin. And we work with really large datasets and there's a lot that can be improved I am sure with your experience brought internally. The company offers work visas, relocation assistance and a relocation bonus, and stock RSUs. [1] I applied for a startup, on a lark, on one of HN's who's hiring in such and such month and landed at a startup in Hamburg. I am now in Berlin. HN changed my life!
• binarydreams 4y ago
  Software engineer with 10+yrs experience and was on a break for 3+ yrs. I haven't done outbound yet ("applied" to companies). Mostly got referred to companies/startups through folks in my network. Remote work is an important requirement for the time being. So I spoke to 15 (remote-friendly/first) companies through my network (could've been more if I were up for onsite work), 4 started the interview process (rest had hiring freeze or wanted to prioritize folks that got laid off from FAANG) out of which: - 1 ghosted me in the last round - 1 rejected in the last round without any reason/feedback (although I think I did pretty well) - 1 rejected in the first round because they wanted me to stick to a specific programming language (in their leetcode round) that I am now rusty with - 1 rejected me in the last round on fair grounds and were decent enough to give feedback. I believe I made mistakes out of being super desperate to land a job. One thing I noticed (although small sample set) was that the interview processes are very slow (like 1 round per week). This might mean things like companies are in no hurry to hire and they have abundance of candidates applying for the same positions at different "expected CTCs" making it a buyer's market. I am currently interviewing another company who has scheduled the next round to happen after 2 weeks. Also no inbounds on Linkedin from recruiters. I used to be swamped till like July/August. Probably means there's decent amount of hiring freeze and most of the recruiters are fired? Tbh, even though I got rejected in a few places, I did not feel too bad because I did not "feel" like they were doing solid engineering work (I ask lots of questions about the tech stack, challenges, culture, etc. in each round). I've decided to spend a few months upskilling myself till the situation gets better and take the hiring process slow (rather being desperate). Although lucky to be in a position to be able to do so.
  • nonethewiser 4y ago
    When you say on break for 3+ years, do you mean that you didnt work for 3+ years leading up to these interviews?
    • mastersummoner 4y ago
      To me, break implies it was chosen for personal reasons. But I'll let GP answer for sure.
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• the_jeremy 4y ago
  Not laid off, but got an offer this month. All I did was turn on "open to work" on LinkedIn, respond to >400 recruiters, ~3% of which were offering good enough compensation. Had 4 on-sites, 2 rejections, 1 I rejected before offer stage, and 1 offer. Senior SRE, no leetcode / system design, but they did have a take-home project.
  • nonethewiser 4y ago
    Years of experience?
    • the_jeremy 4y ago
      5
  • nolevels 4y ago
    What was the salary range?
    • the_jeremy 4y ago
      ~$275k total comp b/t base/bonus/RSUs in MCOL.
• rpastuszak 4y ago
  I’m not looking for anything atm but using my (small) savings to learn and get some perspective on what to do in the future. I’ve wrapped up the Fast.ai deep learning course and switched to studying the language of my country of residence. The rest of my time is calls with random people via my office/mentoring hours (https://sonnet.io/posts/hi https://sonnet.io/posts/hi) and learning how to live with a dog! I try to code a bit and have some side projects I want to monetise or share, but tbh I’m struggling with getting them out because for some reason I’ve started to be overly critical of my work. I know it’ll pass. I’m also exploring different ways of working, such as co-ops. I’m a founder/SWE with 20 years of experience.
• tarokun-io 4y ago
  Interviewed with about 28 companies for almost 3 months, without a single offer! I was starting to get really worried about money and burned out from interviewing. In the past I've never interviewed with more than 2 or 3 before getting an offer I now this is incredibly privileged. I'm not humble-bragging, just observing the change in the market. As things usually turn out, during the last week of the 3-month search I received 3 different offers all at once. For reference and if it matters: I've got 14 years of experience.
  • flippinburgers 4y ago
    Well I don't know what exactly is wrong with me but I typically have to interview for months with several companies before I even land one offer. I have more years of experience than you (for perspective).
  • wickedsickeune 4y ago
    Thanks for sharing. If I may ask, when was the last time you looked for a job? I'm saying this because maybe you're having trouble due to ageism that you didn't encounter before.
    • bradlys 4y ago
      I think age-ism isn’t that relevant when you’re under 40. There will be limited positions for someone who wants staff+ compensation though.
      • gt50201 4y ago
        what's staff+ comp nowadays?
        • olingern 4y ago
          Very wide range depending on the company. Startups and the like $200K/yr+ and equity. The equivalent at Google is $500K - ?. As an aside, Staff Engineers have to ride this strange line of being tech leads, managers, architects, and ICs. In my experience, one part or all parts will suffer. Will Larson's book[1] dances well around the ambiguity, but basically when you take a Staff Engineer job, it'll be unclear what you're signing up for. 1 - https://staffeng.com/book https://staffeng.com/book
• simne 4y ago
  I'm in Ukraine. What I seen from begin of war, there are extremely few positions for juniors - different sources say, 60-2000 cv's per position. For experienced people, things slightly better - at 1 years exp, 5-20 cv/pos; 2 years exp ~1:1; 5+ years exp, there are much more positions, than candidates.
  • simne 4y ago
    Rumors said, no new projects opened, and all people hired to support (and if you fortunate, to grow) old projects. But don't forget, we are at war, few months ago more than quarter of Ukraine considered occupied by Russians, and we still are not safe from strikes on infrastructure (about week ago we survived blackout for near 20 hours).
• 5350-uiop-1130 4y ago
  I'm curious what % of offers coming from applicant's applying directly versus recruiter outreach/networking. In my experience applying for jobs feels like a waste of time. Maybe 1/20 will acknowledge you. And you have no idea if the job really exists. But if you're contacted first by the recruiter the hit rate seems to be much higher.
• cgb223 4y ago
  I got laid off a few weeks ago I’m mid senior level in Product Management but come from a big well known tech company, and I work remote from a non-tech “city”. 5 years PM experience, 6 years as a Software dev. Launched 3 products from concept. One has over 20 million MAU, one created 9 figures of revenue for my previous company, and one I have no idea because I got laid off lol According to my LinkedIn I’ve applied to over 200 roles in the last few weeks and heard back from about 5. Of those interviews, I’ve been rejected from all of them, even smaller shops. Hearing from recruiters has been much more fruitful, making it to middle and final rounds at surprisingly good companies, but in both final round instances, the role either got defunded due to a hiring freeze or other issues. In one instance, the recruiter I was working with at a Big N tech company got laid off in the middle of interviews, at which point the company ghosted me, presumably with my application falling through the cracks. My severance package is much smaller than most, since my company is framing the thousands of layoffs as “performance based” which allowed them to skip the mandatory notice period, and avoid paying out our very generous severance packages. It turns out benefits don’t matter if a company is afraid of a recession. If anything this whole experience has wiped out my idealistic views of working in tech. I’m a cog in a machine that can be gaslit and disposed of when convenient for people levels above me who have no empathy for my existence Can any other PMs speak to how their job hunt is going? Hoping it’s not just me
  • hedora 4y ago
    > My severance package is much smaller than most, since my company is framing the thousands of layoffs as “performance based” which allowed them to skip the mandatory notice period, and avoid paying out our very generous severance packages. Consider talking to a lawyer, and comparing notes with other people in the same boat. Doing this is almost certainly illegal in the US. (In addition to owing you severance, they may also be open to slander/libel charges. I am not a lawyer.)
  • zyang 4y ago
    I find for PM roles location is much more important than technical IC roles. Living in a "non-tech" city might be your biggest handicap.
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• siglave 4y ago
  There are a lot of exciting opportunities in the space industry for those looking for a field change. Here is a site that aggregates jobs from major Space companies https://rocketcrew.space/ https://rocketcrew.space/
• coolbreezetft22 4y ago
  I wasn't laid off but after my company announced layoffs I received ~25 messages on linkedin from recruiters so I think things are still pretty good if you have a decent resume. I am currently in interview process with about 5 companies which signaled that they could match or exceed my current comp. Too bad I suck at interviews though
• rakkhi 4y ago
  Caviet: in Australia and cyber security not Dev. 2 offers in 2 weeks. Started without losing a day of pay. 7% pay rise. Market is great right now
• throw12903i81 4y ago
  It depends a lot on which streams you're casting in. At the seed/series A stage (one I'm most familiar with), any company that raised money this year or is cash-flow positive is still hiring opportunistically. At Series B and beyond, it's really a function of the health and resilience of their business model. Within this bracket, there's fewer total jobs available, but the "median quality" of jobs is better than it's been in a long time: most companies that are hiring are good companies, so if you were to pick completely randomly between offers, you wouldn't be too bad off. Comp packages have not come down ($180-200kish cash basis for a "senior" engineer). For people who know how to analyze early-stage companies as a prospective engineering hire, this is paradoxically a great time to be looking. From my perspective, it seems like many ex-FAANG employees are seeking stable comp at late-stage growth companies (which may be a buyer beware situation...). I think the hiring there has gotten much more competitive, but I have less firsthand experience fishing those streams. My tackle box: laid off from Meta after <1 month of Bootcamp, 5ish YoE as a backend engineer. Meta would have been my first FAANG experience.
• jesse__ 4y ago
  I've been half-heartedly looking for a new job since Jan 2022, at which time I left my last employer by choice. I've interviewed with ~20 companies this year, usually with folks that reach out to me from the 'Who Wants to be Hired' thread. I've received three pretty decent offers (200-250k base + equity) all at small, early-stage companies. From what I've observed this year, companies that are doing difficult or low-level work are still as starved as ever for senior/staff/architect-level folks that can deliver, and are happily willing to hire them. Probably irrespective of company size, but I pretty much exclusively look for teams of ~5-20 people. One material effect I've noticed from the downturn is I've gotten a lot less emails from recruiters advertising positions that are at companies with BS products, or that have clearly nothing to do with my skillset. My bio: I've got ~10 years professional programming experience and consider myself a generalist. Typical projects I look for include graphics programming, language runtimes, compilers, data streaming.. low-ish level stuff that's usually pretty technical. Anyway, since someone asked, that's my 2c :)
  • pm90 4y ago
    > From what I've observed this year, companies that are doing difficult or low-level work are still as starved as ever for senior/staff/architect-level folks that can deliver, and are happily willing to hire them. Probably irrespective of company size, but I pretty much exclusively look for teams of ~5-20 people. How do you find these companies? I'm trying to find such roles since this is kinda where I excel at, but most of the roles I seem to get interviews for are pretty generic backend roles.
    • jesse__ 4y ago
      If you're not in a rush I recommend posting on 'HN: Who Wants to be Hired' every month and let people just come to you. If you are in a rush, I've had pretty good success in the past with applying to 'Who Wants to be Hired' posts, as well as AngelList (they just rebranded, but I forget the new name). Not sure if that helps at all, but that's what's worked for me.
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• jotm 4y ago
  Yeah, I'm making stainless/steel high pressure containers/barrels/pipes. I'll tell you working with 15mm+ stainless is nothing like ~2mm PC case grade steel or aluminum :D Very hard but also very forgiving, which is what allowed me to get in - I've learned TIG welding, too, may even get certified just for job safety. Welds get x-rayed and warranty is in the double digits so you can't half ass the important parts. Plenty of work from big and small companies alike. Some US middleman has contracted most firms around this city to build ion exchange components to be used in lithium battery production. A lot of orders for big ion exchange containers from DE and CZ, afaik also for lithium battery plants (Production? Recycling?). I'm also Berry Alien, the fastest replacer of ion exchange material alive in September 2022 in bf middle of nowhere, Germany :D Next step, building robots at some company. Always wanted to try that. I seem to fall ass first into opportunities I always just abandon, but this time I have medicine and crypto on my side. Thanks Chris for the unique (for me) opportunity.
• UncleOxidant 4y ago
  Job search? Why would I do that? My last day is Friday and I plan to take several months off.
• token8791 4y ago
  Not laid off, but my 2c, from Euroregion. Demographics is the killer force, basically with a MINT background, you can find a job almost instantly. You may not earn a top salary, but you'll earn enough to get by well. Given Europe is in the worst crisis since WW2, I'd say job market is fine.
  • ergvgdvgrd 4y ago
    What is mint?
    • atraac 4y ago
      I would assume he means this: https://www.ue-germany.com/news-centre/blog/what-is-mint-anyway https://www.ue-germany.com/news-centre/blog/what-is-mint-any... Careers and academic disciplines in the fields of: Mathematik (Mathematics) Informatik (Computer Science) Naturwissenschaften (Natural Sciences) Technik (Technology) but it's honestly first time I'm seeing this too, might be just a German thing.
      • detaro 4y ago
        Yeah, German thing. The equivalent English buzzword-abbreviation is "STEM"
• mjhayter 4y ago
  If you're a SaaS Sales Engineer based in Seattle looking for a remote role for a New Zealand based company then give me a message
• token8791 4y ago
  I feel everyone who's in a bad place now, uncertain about the future. My approach has been often to take a mixed-risk approach, and it seems to work out well. First, no debt. Second, long-cash. After working for about ten years in relatively low paying roles I have something like a runway of about 25 years - that is I would not need to take on any job for 25 years while keeping mostly my current standard of living (plus be happier, as I would have more time). I plan to work for about 5 more years, then switch from a high-stress environment to cool projects that do not need to make lots of money. The key has been to continue to live like a student, we have a small cheap flat, go out eating maybe once a month, no car, no expensive hobby, little distractions. With a faang salary, I probably could have achieved that not in ten, but in two years. That's why I'm a bit curious why people are so stressed out.
  • UncleOxidant 4y ago
    Yep. Living frugal has big advantages. You can just walk away if you need to. I don't have 25 years saved up (well, maybe I do counting retirement savings and I am getting pretty close to that 59.5 age where I can access them) but I can go a good while without working. Our cars are 20+ years old and still going strong, our mortgage on our very modest house will be paid off in a month or two. You have to be willing to trade status symbols for freedom.
  • Knifa 4y ago
    Life feels too short/uncertain to not make use of the cash you've got, is the other perspective I guess.
    • token8791 4y ago
      Well, I use cash - I buy good food, for example. But just knowing that I can just say bye to any job, if it gets to the point is quite a value to me.
    • themitigating 4y ago
      70 to 100 years is short? You could spend your entire savings in a month if you wanted so I don't understand your advice
• matt3210 4y ago
  A lot of companies think they want a top-10 l33tcode developer rockstar king, but what they're going to get is a normal run of the mill rule-following developer who produces consistent quality work.
• euix 4y ago
  For those of you on long breaks or have been unemployed for a 6+ months, what do you do with all your spare time? I resigned from my position in Jan 2022 and have been developing a computer game in C++ as a way to level up my programming skill and release it as an (eventually) paid product. The process has been very satisfying and I am learning a lot. I keep to a 9-5, Monday-Friday schedule and treat it like a job. I have a some life events coming up next year so I have started to turn the gears on my network and contacts but I am pretty much only interested in consulting and contract jobs that can be worked remotely. Right now, I primarily see it as a means to raise some cash, so I can make the occasional splurge purchase. I have honestly thought of doing DoorDash. Someone in the thread talked about the importance of a runway and I totally agree. I spent 6 years doing a STEM PhD and about 6 years working in industry on okay but not great salaries and even at that rate I have a runway of about 10+ years of savings before I run out of money (living frugal). After my last job I think I promised myself to never just take a job because I am offered or out of prestige - I am turning mid-30's and I feel like I can't waste anymore time just doing time - i.e. waging for a paycheck without a higher purpose. This causes tension with my partner and probably my future father-inlaw doesn't like me but long term I intend to be my own boss and run my own company. Especially since the pandemic I feel increasingly the urge and need to be the master of my own destiny - especially with regards to income.
  • jongjong 4y ago
    Which country are you from? I don't see how it's physically possible to save 10 years of runway with a PhD's worth of debt and only 6 years of work. I did 10 years of labor with only a Bachelor degree's worth of university debt and my net worth is only enough to get me through 2 years if I liquidate everything... But my startup shares are illiquid (pre-ICO) and all my cryptocurrency is locked to earn forging rewards so in practice I only have about 2 months of liquid runway.
    • yolovoe 4y ago
      PhDs, at least in the US, are free. They actually give you a stipend, usually under $80K/year, but more than $50K/year I'd wager.
• ebbflowgo 4y ago
• cartermatic 4y ago
  I got officially laid off on Dec 1st, so far: - 38 applications - 8 rejections with no interview - 1 rejection after 1st round - 1 first round with no response - 1 2nd round interview (no response yet) - 1 3rd round interview scheduled for this week - 1 1st round scheduled for this week The others I've gotten no response. Senior Product Designer with 8 years of experience, well versed in UI/UX Design, Design Systems, Accessibility, Prototyping, Documentation. Sole designer at my last startup on a brand new product that got acquired.
• irynakm 4y ago
  Got multiple interviews and a few near-offers, only to have companies “change direction” or slash the budget last minute. Still looking.
• mario4272 4y ago
  Stefanini is hiring! Growing and Hiring! Stefanini.com
• ghm2180 4y ago
  Was affected by the meta layoffs. Haven't looked seriously. Here is my read on the market situation. 1. Last 10 years of low interest rates and growth made Faang like companies seem much more valuable than they were. Now that tech is making it easier/cheaper to build and compete with their products (think TikTok vs Insta or AI driven frameworks for automating all kinds of workflows) expect the big/old companies to take time to realize and pivot to build more valuable products to stay alive. And it's not just Faang but any companies that are ripe to disruption where if you get hired it may be less stock comp or volatile job durability. 2. Also related to this, the FTC is tightening the screws(meta was blocked from supernatural, Nvidia could not buy arm) so they can't grow the way they did monopolistically like before and expect less of hiring bounties. 3. Seasonal and recession effects will slow down things for a bit but the former will wear off come January. Latter is a wildcard. 4. Don't get the first job you get without vetting the positiom even if it takes 3-4 months to find one(assuming you are not squeezed by issues like immigration or cost of living). Try vetting the companies and see if they value what you have to offer and the place is not toxic. Remember that only cracking the tech round is a zero sum game but mutual value in a work relationship is not and often more important. So vet it well. 5. If it's been a while since you last looked and are procrastinating on practice of leetcode or interview prep cause or you aren't clear on what to do like I am, take care of my mind first. Meditation, simplifying your life, figuring out what you really value in life and why you value it, is useful. Networking and talking to people on what's out there to change what you do is also useful.
• ColbyRingeisen 4y ago
  Technical jobs available at Actian!! If you know anyone looking for a job send them the links below. Actian has several open positions in Engineering, IT/DevOps, Finance, Marketing, Sales, and Support. #ATXJobs #jobs Engineering: Principal C++ Engineer - Remote https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/480a3819-a573-47b6-9e83-47cfd1f08f23 https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/480a3819-a573-47b6-9e83-... Engineering: Senior C++ Software Engineer - Remote https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/8975c3da-5bbb-40c6-8813-3edc3c9e7d52 https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/8975c3da-5bbb-40c6-8813-... Engineering: Senior Cloud Engineer - Remote https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/e0573a22-ea25-48f3-80b8-7af45e86f97d https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/e0573a22-ea25-48f3-80b8-... Engineering: Senior UX Designer - US Remote https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/979e375f-d87f-49bd-ac27-77c91f066c12 https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/979e375f-d87f-49bd-ac27-... Engineering: Sr. Software Development Engineer - US Remote https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/3a74b305-c866-4341-abc3-1258f9ee6325 https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/3a74b305-c866-4341-abc3-... IT/Dev Ops: Lead Dev Ops Sys Admin - US Remote https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/0138eb4e-a717-438f-9aa9-dc38f114f7ad https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/0138eb4e-a717-438f-9aa9-... IT/Network & IT Systems: Business Application Developer - US Remote https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/56211e7c-82d1-4038-91ac-41e4a1d418c3 https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/56211e7c-82d1-4038-91ac-... IT/Network & IT Systems: Senior Directory of Customer Information Security - Remote https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/1a6c54b1-8f70-47bd-bdd9-c3722b3a7969 https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/1a6c54b1-8f70-47bd-bdd9-... Support: Senior Support Engineer - Remote https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/89ac8232-1a98-4cb9-9149-c2e8c9b35294 https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/89ac8232-1a98-4cb9-9149-... Support: Senior Technical Consultant - Remote https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/97df98a8-24dc-45f0-9b36-de69f7369859 https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/97df98a8-24dc-45f0-9b36-... Marketing/Digital & Demand Generation: Data Marketing Analyst - Remote https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/f01ecfef-bfe3-491f-85c0-03166117130b https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/f01ecfef-bfe3-491f-85c0-... Marketing/Product Marketing: Product Marketing Manager - Remote https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/8c0b7a5c-43aa-40b1-8b5b-64d6c116b417 https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/8c0b7a5c-43aa-40b1-8b5b-... Marketing/Sr. Product Marketing Manager - Remote https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/b30d2148-f5c5-49dc-bee7-2400b567a54f https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/b30d2148-f5c5-49dc-bee7-... Sales/Sales Engineering: Cloud Sales Engineer - Remote https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/9f6a0e71-662c-4f07-9005-842d7f6e67e8 https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/9f6a0e71-662c-4f07-9005-... Sales/Sales Engineering: Inside Sales Engineer - Remote https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/deb33f8c-b325-419a-abbd-4ca244f874f1 https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/deb33f8c-b325-419a-abbd-... Sales/Strategic Alliance: Revenue Operations Manager - Remote https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/c6d516e8-b95d-4a67-b215-e029448a932b https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/c6d516e8-b95d-4a67-b215-... Finance/Sales Operations: Sr. Manager Sales Operations and Compensations - Remote https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/6d29d877-8342-44ac-95ff-a78e03fc2756 https://hire.lever.co/jobs/internal/6d29d877-8342-44ac-95ff-...
• Careersy 4y ago
  The job search can be difficult right now. Many companies are still determining if they should continue hiring or stop, sometimes even lay off their staff. As a tech career coach & tech recruiter, I recommend the following: a)try to remain optimistic and patient, I know this will be the hardest thing, but it will be an essential step forward for you. b)recruiters don't have all the answers you need because they are also waiting to hear back from many different stakeholders. You need them. c)make sure your resume is the best resume you have ever written. The competition is high right now. I've written a 12-page resume handbook course with two google doc templates that you can use in under 5 minutes. https://www.careersycoaching.com/product-page https://www.careersycoaching.com/product-page just sharing this in case someone needs it. You can use the 20% promo code: Interview d)connect with recruiters on LinkedIn with companies you'd like to work for. They might advertise a role in the near future. When you are connected with them, it will be easy to share your resume directly with the recruiter. But you got to do the work now. You could write something like Hey x, a friend recommended connecting with you. I've heard great things about your work culture. I would love to connect and stay in touch with you; who knows what the future might bring. e)rewrite your LinkedIn profile. Once the market picks up again, you want to have an impactful LinkedIn profile that can be found. At the very least, ensure you have the relevant tech keywords somewhere in your profile. Thanks, X f)you need multiple processes to be successful. I recommend having at least five processes, if possible, to increase your chances. g)the market is changing. The bar is going up; you need to prepare really well for your interviews. Don't wing it. Prep as much as you can. Practice as much as possible for the coding interviews and do your research online. Many companies have their coding questions on the internet. Hope this helps, if you want me to share more tips please let me know and I can add a few more things.
• zerof1l 4y ago
  A bit off-topic. Saw a lot of posts lately about layoffs. I feel in Europe, at least Germany, and Sweeden, we are having the opposite issue to the USA: staff shortage. In Frankfurt airport, I saw an ad by Lufthansa that they are hiring 20,000 people from ground staff to IT. In Stockholm, some trains got canceled due to staff shortages.
• cheri9 4y ago
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• eileenanzabwa 4y ago
  Just got laid off early December after celebrating my 34th birthday. They had nothing wrong to say about my performance. They said i was a good leader, a performer, a hardworker. Not sure what went wrong but i guess they never had a good reason either. Well here i am, still looking for a PM gig. If anyone can point me in the right direction, here's my linkedin:https://www.linkedin.com/in/eileen-anzabwa-41b34b144/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/eileen-anzabwa-41b34b144/ and a link to my CV: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wav2woivdifgw2QyZpYyyUFKAhJOAUaD/view?usp=share_link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wav2woivdifgw2QyZpYyyUFKAhJ...
• matcha_power 4y ago
  I was laid off back in August. Had a bunch of interviews right off the bat at top companies that ended up dragging on for weeks (months in some cases) as one role was on again/off again while other companies were slow to schedule next steps. Ultimately, none of my on-sites resulted in offers by the end of October and I suspect layoffs and budgeting concerns were a factor in at least two of them. I think openings and interviews are very slow right now due to the holidays
• torton 4y ago
  In Canada, there's a lot that feels very positive at the moment. - Recruiters being very open about the salary range. This is a change from even a few years back, where there would be endless back and forth of "who calls the number" first. Now out of maybe 30 early conversations only 1 recruiter absolutely refused to state the range. The top end is extremely consistent, the bottom end (as typical for Canada) can be laughably low. - US companies and remote work coming in in a big way. Some of them position themselves at the high end of the local market (which I define to be around C$200k base for non-MANGA companies). Others decide to offer the US range (US$180-200k), which is of course better but in some cases has the drawback of being a contractor. - Demand in my field (DevOps/SRE/cloud infra) hasn't changed much. Still multiple pings a week from recruiters, down from multiple a day. Not a problem getting interviews, at all. Had multiple offers already but looking for a better fit. - Few attempts at take-home exercises. I generally refuse these outright unless they are paid; some companies react to that by simply waiving the take-home. Some things that did change... - the remarkable extent to which US salaries are outliers worldwide is beginning to have an effect. Every single company I worked at for the last decade had non-NA dev teams, usually at the periphery (support, integrations, follow-the-sun ops). Now core teams are distributed and dev work is shifting away from high-cost centers. One example I saw is in Gergely's "which companies are still hiring" spreadsheet -- how many of these companies are not looking in US at all, or are Europe-/Asia-centric? - startup non-base comp is becoming a really bad deal, even for Series A. I was offered some shares, even with the founder's own rosy projections an exit for me would be a nice bonus at most. Why deal with the stress if there's no meaningful payback at the end? - some smaller companies asking LC Hards all of a sudden. To me that just feels like someone out of Google founding a startup and having no idea how to hire non-developers. - people having less filter in general. One of the best things I really started doing in my interviews is shutting up and listening instead of working to sell myself / ask questions. People will admit amazing things about the company or about the level of fit / misfit for a role when they try to fill in the silence. - as a corollary, how do interviewers behave if they sense it's likely not a fit? Do they start trash talking your experience / chances of success / achievable salary, or just let it go? I've had a recruiter try to convince me there aren't offers at 175 base + in Canada. I've had a founder tell me no one will offer me a manager role (after a 30 minute interview wherein they talked most of the time and barely asked me anything). Just take a bit of time to listen and the trash will sort itself out.
• mattezell 4y ago
  Fortunately for me, I didn't walk away from my last gig empty handed, and so have been afforded a bit of time to figure out what's next. As others have said, hiring really slows down in Nov and Dec. You have quarter end, the year's budget is running low, project priorities are being shifted with anticipation of the new year, etc.,. Having been on the hiring end many times over the last several years, I know that higher ups often push you to fill a position - but just as soon as you settle on a candidate during this time of year, they almost always pump the brakes on actually hiring until new year. Knowing this, I'd initially planned no not looking for a new gig until 2023, but once folks hear your back on the market, you basically can't avoid people trying to play matchmaker for your next job (which is a good problem to have, I suppose). Not wanting to pass up a potential opportunity, I accepted a few interview requests that came about from my personal network in Nov. After going through 2-3 rounds of ultimately fruitless interviews with 3 different companies since mid-Nov, I've decided to just wait and enjoy the downtime. Each company I interviewed with essentially signaled "you're perfect for our needs and will be moving quickly with you" during the interview process, then would go radio silent - only to have them follow up a couple weeks later with "some of our internal needs have changed with the end of year approaching, but we'll be in touch". So I figured for my sanity and so that I could enjoy a little bit of my funemployment, that I'd just be upfront with them and set some boundaries. Now, I've basically just been communicating "I appreciate your interest, but this is a bad time of year for bringing on new hires when considering year's end, so let's plan on touching base in January". We will see if this works out in my benefit or not - but if they can't respect that, and aren't capable of acknowledging the reality of things, I'd probably not want to work with them anyways.