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New Mac mini, featuring M6 and M5 Pro
- Ambroos 22d agoIt's a bit of an emotional goodbye to the super cheap Mac Minis we got to enjoy for a while. I got some for family members, we had some serving as iOS/macOS build servers sitting in a closet at my last job, they were fantastic. Not that they're a bad deal now, but at European prices of over €1000 for M6/16GB/256GB it's a psychological barrier that's been broken.
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- glimshe 22d agoIf you adjust for inflation, is it a big change from the super cheap Mac Minis of the past? Probably still somewhat more expensive, but not as much as the nominal difference would imply.
- petu 22d agoMac Mini M4 launched less than 2 years ago at $600 (US, $500 with edu discount; as low as $400 on general discounts). Now same config with M6 is $900.
- ex1fm3ta 22d agosame spec, same chip. I tought Apple would at least bump the RAM
- simonh 22d agoYou thought they'd bump the base RAM in the middle of the biggest RAM crisis in history?
- leoc 22d agoAnd except at the beginning, the Mac Minis of the past weren’t famous for being cheap, but rather for being disappointingly, unattractively expensive and, over time, apparently increasingly forgotten by Apple.
- markdown 22d agoActually they were famous for being tiny.
- musicale 22d agoMac minis from 2005-2024 launched with entry-level models priced from $499-$699, with the outliers being the 2018 model at $799: https://everymac.com/global-mac-prices/all-msrp-mac-mini-prices-in-united-states.html https://everymac.com/global-mac-prices/all-msrp-mac-mini-pri... Though $599 for the M4 in 2024 seems like a local optimum.
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- Dathuil 22d agoWhen they discontinued the M4 with 16GB a few months ago I had literally just ordered one off Amazon which they promptly cancelled. It would have been 600 after exchange rate from GBP. I can't justify a more than 2x price increase for what I'm guessing are marginal improvements. I want to replace my home lab but as it stands my underpowered NAS will have to continue as it has the past few years
- amelius 22d ago> but at European prices of over €1000 for M6/16GB/256GB it's a psychological barrier that's been broken. We should be buying European solutions anyway. Different psychological barrier that was broken long before.
- Jhyrachy 22d agoNo bro, >1000€ for 16/256 is a really bad deal
- hypercube33 21d agoI want a mini Neo for like $399 or whatever apple can muster. it could be the size of a deck of cards to boot.
- abricq 22d ago> Up to 2x faster gaming performance with ray tracing in Cyberpunk 2077: Ultimate Edition when compared to Mac mini with M4. Interesting that Apple quotes performances when playing Cyberpunk 2077 ! Maybe they will want to care more about gaming ? And while i'm at it, I was wondering a few weeks ago if I should try this game on my M3 pro. Anyone has played it on Apple and has feedback ?
- mcphage 22d ago> Interesting that Apple quotes performances when playing Cyberpunk 2077 ! Maybe they will want to care more about gaming ? They include game metrics in their marketing often, because they know their customers care about gaming. But no—for whatever reason, it never translates into Apple caring about gaming. I don't get it, but that's the way it has been for a long time.
- wlesieutre 22d agoWith the “game mode” and “game porting toolkit” in recent history, I think there’s one person at Apple who cares about gaming and every couple of years he escapes from the basement where they keep him locked up and manages to sneak something into the release branch They’ve also said when they pull Rosetta for intel compatibility, it will still be available for old games to use, which is a huge improvement from their usual stance of “that game studio that hasn’t existed since 2008 should dust off their code and update it to our new architecture.”
- efficax 22d agothey've done a bunch to make macs a better gaming platform, including the very nice game porting toolkit (https://developer.apple.com/games/game-porting-toolkit/ https://developer.apple.com/games/game-porting-toolkit/) which you can use yourself to run pc games on the mac. All macs since m1 have very nice gpus that can handle most games made today, and the newer ones can run the latest AAA ones with good detail. At this point it's more that game publishers/studios don't care about the mac
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- muro 22d agoDouble the price of the base m4 mac mini in February :( (it was late in it's lifecycle and there were frequent sales)
- PinguTS 22d agoWhat I am missing in all of those benchmarks, how does the M6 compares to the M5 Pro. I don't care how the M6 compares to the M1, even when the M6 2.3x compared to M1 in Excel spreadsheet. That is no measurement even in accounting. The dead time is not the Excel. I am to only one?
- zamadatix 22d agoBenchmarks from the manufacturer are just marketing as well. Wait for independent 3rd party reviews.
- speedping 22d agoIt basically means that every meaningful comparison produced an embarrassing improvement multiplier
- nicoburns 22d agohttps://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/08/apple-introduces-m6-and-m5-ultra-for-a-big-leap-in-performance-and-ai-compute https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/08/apple-introduces-m6-a... Says 1.2x for multithreaded and doesn't specify (I presume smaller) for single-threaded. That's compared to M5 not M5 Pro, so M5 Pro is likely significantly faster.
- Zylokloto 22d agoLast time the benchmark numbers from apple were stupid and they still are. I just wait for practical real live numbers with real stacks i use. And btw. they reduced the memory bandwdith on the M4 in comparision to its previous version by 40gb/sec or so, you need to wait to see.
- rcarmo 22d agoThe big difference you're not looking at is the memory bandwidth. The M5 Pro has nearly twice the one of the M6: 170GB/s memory bandwidth Configurable up to 32GB unified memory 307GB/s memory bandwidth Configurable up to 64GB unified memory That is also the factor you want to take into account for AI inference, of course.
- post_break 22d agoSo the price just went up by another $100 am I reading that right?
- jdoe1337halo 22d agoEra of cheap compute is over I'm afraid
- vlucas 22d agoOver for now, or at least a little while until production ramps up to our new reality (~5 years minimum is likely).
- orphea 22d agoNo, it's not. We do have to live through this long and harsh winter, though.
- c16 22d agoI really want a mini for running local models, but there's no way I'm buying one for the next few years. I'm planning on waiting for models to get better and more powerful, as well as for hardware prices to come down.
- gib444 22d agoJust got to wait for the wealth to trickle down to make it cheap again /s
- HumblyTossed 22d agoPretty much. Everyone seems to think prices will come back down, but I don't agree.
- linguae 22d agoYup. Yesterday it was $799 for the base Mac Mini M4, a $200 increase from the original MSRP before June’s price hikes. I paid $499 for my M4 back in April with the academic discount since I predicted the next generation base model would cost more. Sadly my prediction was correct: $599 to $899 is steep. I understand why; the prices of DIMMs, GPUs, and SSDs have also skyrocketed. But $899 for a base Mac Mini is painful, even if the alternatives on the current market are also painfully expensive.
- jdoe1337halo 22d agoSo happy with my base M4 purchase for $499 when it released. I even snagged a 1TB replacement drive for $199 a year ago. Feels like I got the last train out.
- Waterluvian 22d agoI feel that way about my GPU for normal gaming use. Now I’m afraid of it dying on me.
- KronisLV 22d agoI’m currently hoping that my Intel Arc B580 doesn’t die on me cause even a 5060 Ti 16 GB has reached like 700 EUR price over here. I don’t think the prices will get better anytime soon. Same with my M1 Air for being on the move, even notebooks would be more expensive than they’re worth.
- drob518 22d agoI’m milking my M1 Air, too. It’s still going strong, and I just can’t justify replacing it. Would love 64GB or more memory, though.
- garbageman 22d agoI got an essentially free upgrade from an M1 air to an M4 air and let me tell you...there is zero difference in day to day usage. You've got another 5+ years of headroom at least.
- drob518 22d agoYep, for cpu I’m sure that’s true. It isn’t often that I wish the M1 was faster. But I need more memory. 16 GB was fine five years ago, but it’s getting cramped for me now.
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- kuuuzya 22d agoWow. Is OpenClaw still alive? Would their users spend so many for the new Mac mini?
- amelius 22d agoHow many tokens per second would you even get on them?
- kennywinker 22d agoAfaik most openclaw users aren’t running their llm locally - just using a mac mini as an always-on sandbox for agents.
- xhkkffbf 22d agoA sandbox with access to iMessage. Can't have your agent texting with green boxes.
- kennywinker 22d agoNono it’s ok iMessage is actually an open standard - steve promised.
- frollogaston 22d agoThis is why my wife's iPhone 6 is still better in real life usage than the latest flagship Android phone. Playing high-end 3D game vs not screwing up the group chat.
- copperx 22d agoCool, like a $5 VPS?
- kennywinker 22d agoYes, but 100 times more expensive.
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- matt-p 22d ago2.5Gbe as standard is nice.
- wpm 22d agoAbout damn time, Gigabit ethernet started shipping on desktop Macs over 20 years ago.
- matt-p 22d agoEh, for what? Most people use it only for 'internet' and 1G full duplex is generally still enough for that. Happy for 2.5G though :)
- massysett 22d agoMy cable internet is 2.5G. So it’s nice to get that full speed when I have a wired connection. To be honest though, my usage does not benefit from the speed. The only benefit is to the reptile part of my brain that says “speed. Must have the fastest possible, and since I’m paying for it, even though maybe I should downgrade it, I want my speed.”
- Grombobulous 22d agoI’d love to take the extra speed if the networking equipment cost wasn’t so crazy. Then, like you said, on the WAN side you’ve got the monthly internet bill. 1Gbps is the sweet spot, especially since 6Ghz WiFi runs at something like 600Mbps in the real world a reasonable distance away from the WiFi router in an ideal deployment. Saturate your wired, and you get a slight benefit over a 500Mbps plan for your wireless.
- 0x457 22d agoSure, but I have 3 machines at home connected via 10G, and I do transfers between them often.
- Gigachad 22d agoThe people using Mac mini/mac studios are very likely media editors who have a NAS on the local network. 1gbit ethernet is slower than wifi at this point and incredibly outdated. 2.5gbit ethernet is quite cheap and common now.
- KJs6ZxELzQM37O 22d agoThe "up to" and "Yx" compared to three generations ago specs from Apple. Never change.
- Octoth0rpe 22d agoI think there's a valid argument for this pattern when you know most people are on 3-ish year upgrade cycles. Also, if you compare against the most recent generation, you risk creating buyer's remorse for recent purchases.
- thewebguyd 22d agoI'd imagine most are on longer than 3 years for computers. Most (non developers) I know hang onto their laptops and computers until they die or get spec constrained, and that ends up being around ~6 or 7 years, so in this case the comparison to the M1/M1 Max makes sense, as for the next couple years that's going to be the cohort that's looking to upgrade.
- Gigachad 22d agoThe people who read Apple press posts would skew towards upgrading more often. Ultimately there is no number that would satisfy everyone and you are reading a marketing piece from Apple. Wait for the product to be publicly available if you want in depth testing.
- alt227 22d agoIt would be very easy for them to give real numbers and benchmarks, but there is a reason they dont.
- mandarinclips 22d agoI really want to buy one for coding/dev work, but it's just too expensive. Not sure if the M4 MacBook will get a price cut anytime soon.
- Zylokloto 22d agoYou will not feel a difference in coding/dev work between M1 to M6 in a relevant manner.
- coredog64 22d agoHave been considering a used M1 but I'm concerned that I'm going to get flash storage that's been thrashed to within an inch of it's life by someone running it as a poorly configured inference host.
- Zylokloto 22d agoThere are sooo sooo many students and normal people using these devices or corporate laptops never seen inferencing or anything like this, its so hard to trash the storage of them, i wouldn't worry about it.
- mandarinclips 22d agoWhere's a reliable place to buy a used Mac? I'm afraid of ending up with a broken unit.
- linguae 22d agoLast week I purchased a MacBook Pro M1 Max from www.macsales.com, which is owned by Other World Computer, a maker of Mac peripherals. My computer comes with a 1-year warranty. It was my first time purchasing from them.
- Gigachad 22d agoI'm praying Framework becomes more affordable after the ram price inflation is over. Because I never want to buy another computer with non replaceable storage again.
- napolux 22d agoSo I guess M5 Pro is better, right?
- sf1tzp 22d agoI guess so. It's slightly cheaper to buy 2x 32GB M6 minis than opt for 64GB sku (which is only available with the M5 Pro chip)...
- atonse 22d agoAfter watching a video about how the filesystems are > 2x faster (and testing this myself in my mac mini vs a linux machine), I feel like Apple is leaving a lot on the table, and I hope that they get APFS to be as fast as the linux filesystems. Because otherwise a lot of this hardware (including their blazing fast SSDs) is wasted. Cuz my M1 mac mini is awesome otherwise.
- TheJoeMan 22d agoI took a peek into APFS a bit ago [1] because I (stupidly) yanked a usb SSD before it was unmounted and corrupted it. Reading the documentation, it seems to have many "cool" features which just aren't fully exposed/utilized in the OS, and there is a lack of API tooling. For example: it is copy-on-write, and my corruption happened in the superblock checkpoint. There is no built-in command in Disk Utility to "mount" an older checkpoint (and accepting a small amount of dataloss). Also the "First Aid" command allegedly runs volume repair top-down when it is recommended to do it inside-out. [1] https://www.ntfs.com/apfs-structure.htm https://www.ntfs.com/apfs-structure.htm
- kridsdale1 22d agoClaude was super helpful at walking me through the APFS CLI tool to do some more advanced stuff that’s not in the GUI.
- snazz 22d agoIs APFS that much slower than ZFS or btrfs (more comparable Linux file systems) or just ext4? Btrfs is noticeably slower than ext4, but at least all the Mac and Linux file systems are way faster than file operations on Windows :)
- djfdat 22d agoHere's a very recent video benchmarking APFS vs ZFS, btrfs, and XFS+: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wVNFaFDIn8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wVNFaFDIn8
- benatkin 22d agoNo 8GB option? Oh the horror.
- HelloUsername 22d agoRelated? "Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line" june 2026 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48676795 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48676795 380 comments
- kotaKat 22d agoNot really. It's Gurman, once again throwing darts at the wall to see what sticks like a desperate roach begging for subscribers to his bullshit newsletter of guesses and predictions he'll flip in a month the opposite direction for even more clicks and bait.
- nodesocket 22d agoUpgrading to 48GB memory is $600…. Gut punch. I have a M4 Pro (top cpu skew 14 cores). Any idea the performance gain to M5 Pro? I feel like they holding off releasing M6 Pro because a new studio is dropping soon as well.
- FinnLobsien 22d agoNot a surprise with John Ternus taking the reigns as CEO in a week, who was previously SVP of hardware engineering. I can't hate a direction where Apple becomes more about building great computers rather than trying to force more and more subscriptions. I do wish they would fix many of the long-standing OS and native app problems.
- steveBK123 22d agoI do worry that at this point it's no longer just Apple's problem to solve. They need to figure out a way to take the rest of the industry with it. Maybe if their standards are high enough everyone else will look bad by comparison. My daily driver personal machines are incredible pieces of kit, but everything is always getting worse because majority of software is some SaaS living in the cloud, or even if on-desktop is constantly updating slop. Why does it take 10 seconds for my streaming music app to open when my machine is 10-20 cores, 32GB+ RAM, high bandwidth NVMe storage, and I am connected to gigabit fiber internet? The thing is autoplaying videos, and has about 10 different panes clearly owned by different product managers that hate each other. Half the time its pushing me some pop-up dialog I don't care about. Winamp in 1998 took about 2 seconds to load.
- FinnLobsien 22d agoI agree with you, but I also think sadly most consumers don't really care about this. The reason the internet is in the state it's in is because most people tolerate it. Most people simply don't care about using well-made software so long as it gets the job done because they don't even look at other options. I suppose this is how carpenters feel when they see ubiquitous IKEA furniture.
- Gigachad 22d agoI don't think polishing macos more will win more users, Windows is a flaming garbage heap where virtually every built in program is broken and people keep using it. Making macbooks cheaper and more accessible will do far more.
- smartmic 22d ago> for always-on agentic computing Don’t know, but this as main ad headline feels almost like a threat to my personal home computing needs
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- EagnaIonat 22d agoYour statement is not really true any more. I have an old M1 Max with 32GB that runs inference models fine, especially those using MLX. Dedicated graphics cards are faster but not to the point that it matters. That’s a six year old machine. My newer machine M5 max 128GB will far outperform your typical 32GB gaming card once the model exceeds memory. To even get close to that on a dedicated graphics card you are paying upwards of $20K. That said, models are getting smaller and faster which allows me to run multiple different models with ease. [edit] Just checked the 5 models I use take up 57GB when all loaded at the same time.
- bigyabai 22d ago> Dedicated graphics cards are faster but not to the point that it matters. It definitely matters, if you're intending to run a Claude Code/OpenCode style agent workflow. Most of those harnesses start with 8-12k token contexts, which is a lot of prefill for a Mac but cheap for a CUDA GPU. The GPGPU compute on the fastest Macs is still trailing behind Nvidia's laptop GPUs; the highest-bandwidth Apple Silicon chip (now the M5 Ultra) has ~7x lower memory bandwidth than a single B100 card. There's a good reason why Apple Silicon isn't to be found anywhere in the datacenter buildout. It's nonviable for training, and wastes electricity running real-world inference workloads.
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- stuff4ben 22d agoWhich is more important for AI/LLM stuff, the number of GPU cores or the amount of unified memory? I can choose from a Mini with the M5 Pro 18CPU/30GPU and 64GB RAM or a Studio with a M5 Max 18CPU/40GPU and 48GB RAM for roughly the same price
- cpuguy83 22d agoLarger model -> more memory It depends on what model(s) you want to run.
- mthoms 22d agoMemory bandwidth is one of the most important factors. The Max machines typically have higher bandwidth than Pro (you should look up these exact models to verify though). Having said that, you could run bigger models with 64GB. I went with a 64GB M2 Max a few years back even though it stretched my budget and I'm glad I did. I'm not sure what I'd pick in this case. Tough call.
- weli 22d agoThey affect different things. You want more powerful models -> more memory. You want the models that run to be faster -> more gpu cores.
- Gigachad 22d agoThey are both somewhat important. The compute speed impacts the tokens per second, and memory impacts the size of the model/capability. IMO memory size is the most important since you can always wait longer for it to compute while a blazing fast but dumb model is much less useful.
- meerita 22d agoI will buy a Mac mini, 64GB RAM + 2TB. That will replace my current MBP M1 Pro with 16GB (4 years old). For serious upgrade I will wait the M7 Line.
- mythz 22d agoConsidering doing exactly this, hopefully by the time M7 Ultra is out, the RAM Apocalypse will be over.
- meerita 22d agoI don't know why some guy downvoted me. It's a great choice without expending 7K on some hardware than in less than two years will be replaced by the M7 (which is in the making).
- Danox 20d agoI’m very hopeful that Apple in time won’t sit around, I hope that they will take the design and engineering of memory in house like their A and M processors or their new C series modems. I really don’t see how they can avoid it not in the current climate, the design and engineering is already there, 10 to 20 billion dollars is already there, all they need to do is partner with Intel or TSMC onshore in the USA, Arizona would be fine. but Prineville Oregon would be better.
- deadbunny 22d agoDo we need a 3rd top level discussion on this?
- Insanity 22d agoThe M-chips are insanely powerful. So powerful for my regular use that I'm still on M1-generated devices and don't really need to update. Perhaps in a few years when both local-running LLMs are good enough on regular consumer hardware there'll be a good reason to upgrade. As a disclaimer though, I haven't even tried to really run local models on the M1 as I also have a 'gaming PC' that can run them fine.
- xutopia 22d agoI feel much the same. I feel like the next time I upgrade I could splurge a bit more and get a really bigger CPU and storage to be even more productive with. However the main reason I would upgrade is to run LLMs locally and RAM prices are making this a no-go. One day if RAM comes down to earth I'll upgrade. If not I'll stick to this old machine for a long time.
- ActorNightly 22d ago> Perhaps in a few years when both local-running LLMs are good enough on regular consumer hardware there'll be a good reason to upgrade. I mean, local LLMs already are really good if you own Nvidia Cards, not sure what you are waiting for. 2x3090 will blow any current Mac out of the water in tok/sec
- Insanity 22d agoI was talking about upgrading to another M-series device. I actually mentioned in the comment that you're replying to that I do run them locally on my desktop. And I run them off of an AMD card, 7900XTX. I'm not sure I'd consider a gaming PC 'regular consumer' hardware especially with today's prices. But yeah, it's definitely doable.
- efficax 22d agoyeah my m1 mac studio shows no signs of stopping and i can't justify another upgrade until doing so really unlocks something new at a reasonable price (like running local llms that are competitive with the cloud services at a decent speed, which presumably the mac studio M5 Ultras can do with qwen 3.8 but the 256GB Ultra config is more than $10k!)
- revolvingthrow 22d ago~75% higher price for some extra GPU power and small CPU boost compared to M4? Eh. It's pretty far from M4's value, which was a no-brainer recommendation for people who wanted a tiny box sitting somewhere on their desk.
- writtenone 22d agoNow if only it would come with Linux instead of MacOS! Apple's software holds the hardware back, and it's ugly (especially liquid glass!)
- jbverschoor 22d agoVery well timed for John Ternus's first quarter.
- sceptic123 22d agoIs the "Water Project" intended as a sly dig or some kind of nod to AI water use concerns?
- drewg123 22d agoI'm so sick of "up to 2x faster" ...THAN WHAT? ON WHAT WORKLOAD? How can I reproduce these claims? I really miss when vendors would run the SPEC benchmark suite and performance was quantitative, and not qualitative.
- numbsafari 22d ago… from the fine print: “Results are compared to previous-generation Mac mini systems with Apple M4, 10-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 32GB of unified memory, and 2TB SSD.”
- drewg123 22d agoRunning what workload? How can I reproduce it?
- manishmicrosaas 22d agoglad that i purchased mac studio this January
- markstos 22d agoI see that my old M1 Mac Mini with 16 GB memory and 1 TB drive has held value over time, selling for $600 to $700. A new Mac Mini with that much ram and storage costs about double now.
- hauju 22d agohmm waited for this, but the price... puuh
- snigacookie 22d agoSigh. I had the m4 in my cart yesterday and now it is gone.
- tonymet 22d agoI’m still not convinced by the value of local models. It feels like ray-tracing where we are driving up the compute cost for a high cost and fringe benefit.
- Gigachad 22d agoIt's not worth it yet when datacenter compute is being subsidized and consumer hardware is massively overpriced, but the tipping point will come where it makes far more sense. Particularly with Chinese companies pushing to get more out of smaller models. You can run really capable models on the top end macs right now, it just costs way more than buying credits.
- Lwrless 22d agoThe "4x AI performance" smells suspicious to me, M5 Pro does have slightly higher memory bandwidth than the M4 Pro, but there are also the new Neural Accelerators in the GPU cores, I've always wondered what they actually do, since the SoC has AMX (Apple Matrix Coprocessor) since the original M1 chip era. So is this performance gain probably due to the new Neural Accelerators?
- tedd4u 22d agoYes, the "neural accelerators" in the M5 GPU cores really do 4x pre-fill performance over M4. You can find benchmarks online since M5 has been out for months now. I assume the M6 has whatever the next-gen version of those is. These are not the "neural processors" that have been there since M1 (those still exist) but are additionl matrix math accelerators inside the actual GPU cores. Like "tensor cores" on Nvidia GPUs.
- Lwrless 22d agoThank you, found some benchmarks and they look really promising. To my understanding those Neural Accelerators are like AMX but for GPUs. With those accelerators the GPU performance on a M5 Max in LLM inferencing would totally be on par with a 5090, that's quite impressive!
- bigyabai 22d agoWhich inference benchmark are you looking at? The prefill speeds should be comparable on some LLMs, but the 5090 has much a higher theoretical max decode speed.
- Lwrless 22d agoI found some on Reddit, and here are the two benchmark results from review sites: - against a desktop 5090: https://nanoreview.net/en/gpu-compare/geforce-rtx-5090-vs-apple-m5-max-gpu-40-core https://nanoreview.net/en/gpu-compare/geforce-rtx-5090-vs-ap... - against a laptop 5090: https://nanoreview.net/en/gpu-compare/geforce-rtx-5090-mobile-vs-apple-m5-max-gpu-40-core https://nanoreview.net/en/gpu-compare/geforce-rtx-5090-mobil... With larger (also really fast) unified memory on the chip, it could easily load larger weights, and the thing is that the quantized results on the M5s are really good, I believe that for most local inferencing, users would be using INT4 (maybe more bits per weight sometimes) quantized models, that might be where the Neural Accelerators kick in. In raw power, a desktop 5090 easily outperforms the M5 Max, but for this specific use case, I believe that the M5 Max is good enough.
- politelemon 22d agoDear mods, please could these announcements be merged, if not done away with? They aren't really following the guidelines, they aren't 'curiosity', these are little more than marketing announcements.
- Danox 20d agoThe mods did the right thing unless you want to go through 1500 responses.
- daveisfera 22d agoOne of the things that Steve Jobs got very right was "and you can order right now". Announcements where you have to wait a month to order throw away all of the hype. Even allowing pre-orders and shipping later is a better idea and so silly that Apple has started walking away from that.
- m463 22d agoWonder how the cybertruck sales would have gone if tesla had done that. (250,000 pre-orders, vs now ~5000 sales/quarter)
- Xeoncross 22d agoWell, I think the cybertruck was announced at least a year or two before they shipped. A month wait is one thing, but giving people literal years to think about and find flaws with your product is a really bad move.
- throw03172019 22d agoI am shocked every time I see one of those driving in SF. street parking must be awful!
- m463 22d agoI drove one as a loaner. It is big. No dashboard. square steering wheel without turn signals or gear stalk. The rear-view mirror doesn't see out unless you lower the cover in the back. The side mirrors are strangely shaped and small. The front corners are a mysterious mostly unpredictable distance out the front window. But then... It has cameras in all directions including the front bumper. There is a top-down sort of heat-map display when you park. All 4 wheels can be turned for a tighter turning circle. and it can self-park. So... I would feel embarrassed to be seen in it, but it was definitely an interesting experience.
- rc5150 22d agoan enema is also an interesting experience.
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- himanshumehra 22d agoprice hike makes the deal not so sweet, but still a bang on device
- pipeline_peak 22d agoI’m not really sure what the end goal is with Apple investing so heavily in local AI hardware. Feels like they’re doing it for the sake of getting with the times, but why would the average Mac User care? I wonder if this an answer the OpenClaw craze.
- mixmastamyk 22d agoRunning useful models locally with privacy would be a great selling point. We're not quite there, but the next five years should be interesting.
- Ned_Williams 22d agoI'm not a big Mac guy, but I have a couple of laptops. How do people feel about these? Use cases?
- pcarolan 22d agoMy father was a plumber in the 80s and bought our family an Amiga 1000 for $1,200. Today thats about $3800 in inflation adjusted money. I just bought my son a top of the line pc for $2,000. I get that it used to be cheaper, but value is still relatively good for these machines.
- downrightmike 22d agoExcept we've gotten so much better at making computers since the Amiga, its a travesty that things have gotten so bad for consumers. You know the ones that bail out the bubbles
- Danox 20d agoThey have a vision which consists of computer users being tied back into mainframe computing with them as the gatekeeper. That is the wet dream of Microsoft, OpenAI, Anthropic, Nvidia, Google along with Meta. The thought of local AI is also disgraceful, Nvidia didn’t buy for Hugging Face for 12-13 billion for nothing.
- Danox 20d agoIn 2011 I bought a fully loaded 27 inch iMac paid 3700 (used it for 9-1/2 years) at today’s prices that would be about $5400, bought a M2 Mac studio M2 ultra that cost about $7200 2-1/2 years ago the price for the new Mac studio M5 ultra just announced by Apple is $11,400. Former owner of Amiga, 1000, 2000, 3000, and 4000 I would have gotten a Next computer at the time if I could’ve afforded it, unfortunately, I was tied to a PC at work using AutoCAD, Revit and Navis Managed a few years later. The Games back in the day on the Amiga computers were ahead of the PC for about 9-10 years, coincidentally Sony bought a British gaming company called Psychosis for their games and gaming technology. They were pretty big back in the day on the Amiga.
- lucabytheway 21d agoapparently M6 will not come with max or ultra and apple will skip a generation.