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OpenLogi

1635 points by amatheus 1mo ago

sgt 1mo ago
I'm always terrified of Bluetooth mice. I've never seen one with the same low latency as a USB mouse. The difference is sometimes subtle, but it's there.
- Bishonen88 1mo ago
  For pro gaming perhaps the difference would make the slightest difference. For casuals, let alone office workers, the difference is 0 (writing this with a mx master 4 next to me). Saying this as someone who has tried dozens of mice in my life. Last corded-one, bought for my son yesterday (razer cobra minecraft edition). I don't think I'd be able to tell the difference between wired and wireless in a blind test.
- tonyhart7 1mo ago
  or you can just use wifi dongle one there is no reason not to, even pro player in esports is using wireless mouse the technology is there even for top 1%
  - freehorse 29d ago
    Dongles are indeed not perceivably different than wired in principle. However, you may have more latency variability, or even unstable connectivity, depending on what adjacent usb ports are doing, due to interference [0]. I have had cases where dongles were practically unusable in my setup, up to completely losing connectivity when transferring data through an adjacent port. [0] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/content-details/841692/usb-3-0-radio-frequency-interference-impact-on-2-4-ghz-wireless-devices-white-paper.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/content-details/8416...
    - tonyhart7 29d ago
      never happen to me in this year maybe in 2012 as paper suggest, also millions of gamer also use these today there is exist mouse gaming that have 4k,8k polling rate right now You also want to have Nordic MCU specifically
      - freehorse 29d ago
        I have had issues with an otherwise decent 2022 computer, had to arrange usb connections in specific ways to avoid brief connectivity drops. It did not happen all the time, but it did happen. But the worst problems were older ones. USB ports have probably better shielding nowadays. But even so, the protocols and radio frequency ranges are still the same, so if I do not see a specific test on that (measuring latency distribution while adjacent port busy) I would not trust it if latency was important, even if it "feels" the same. And not all of us have professional gaming equipment or otherwise of much better quality. If adjacent ports are not busy there should not be an issue nowadays, probably.
- friendzis 1mo ago
  Typically the wireless mice connect over noon-bluetooth wireless protocols and offer bluetooth as fallback, if at all. Click-to-screen latency is a combination of reporting rate, polling rate and latency within the software stack. Default USB HID polling rate is 125Hz so if you don't do anything extra on top this is what you get anyway. Even higher grade "office" mice offer higher reporting rates than that, "gaming" mice can easily be 1 kHz.
- szszrk 1mo ago
  I always thought this is a rule of thumb, but then I learned that wireless gamepads for popular consoles (back then it was PS3/PS4 era) don't really follow that pattern. I came across multiple tests where older wireless PS controllers and xbox controllers were consistently more responsive in practice. For modern ones there are some cool posts like this one [1], where most of the time there "were no statistically significant difference", or even wireless was more responsive. Gamepads always impressed me - they can deliver insanely good response times while streaming high quality audio with no lag. I never found other BT accessories for phones/computers that were even close to that smooth experience. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/m020e3/dualsense_wired_vs_wireless_latency_comparison/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/m020e3/dualsense_wired...
snarfy 29d ago
I always hated their big "suite" app and used the onboard memory manager app. At least it wasn't razer synapse
qxxx 29d ago
> Everything Options+ does, without the account. does not support Logitech Flow. I am using it all the time. Will it come one day?
boguscoder 1mo ago
Name leaves me optimistic it could support keyboards in future
anthropic-dario 1mo ago
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andsoitis 1mo ago
Love my Logitech mouse, keyboard, and webcam. Their software not in the same league as their hardware.
- catskull 1mo ago
  I once heard a story about an old Logitech webcam driver in windows. Once it was installed, it would always scan for the webcam and if it wasn’t detected it would write to an error log. So if you set up the webcam once and then got rid of it without uninstalling the driver it would always dump logs upon logs. Eventually a user had their entire disk space filled and when they dug into it they found a single tens or hundreds of GB log file. Uninstalling the driver fixed it.
- KennyBlanken 1mo ago
  You love having to replace your mouse regularly because Logitech intentionally uses shit switches to force people to keep buying their products?
  - andsoitis 29d ago
    I don't have that problem.
demibabs 1mo ago
Cool project, but I hate how every new site has this obviously LLM generated copy :( I feel like most people who use it for their copy don’t realize how obvious it is.
- ch4s3 1mo ago
  People realize, but writing good technical prose is hard and a separate skill.
  - dawnerd 1mo ago
    There's good technical prose on the site? It's all just fluff marketing that adds nothing.
  - demibabs 1mo ago
    I don’t think it’s that hard; it just takes effort. And the effort is well worth it.
    - Tallain 1mo ago
      It's not that hard if you put in the effort and practice. But if you don't want to and still want to use an LLM, there are low-bar choices you can make (using a technical writing skill, using ASD-STE100 Simplified Technical English, choosing your audience, proofreading at the end with human eyes to make sure it makes sense and doesn't repeat itself uselessly). I think it shows either a) low respect or consideration for your audience or yourself, or b) laziness. Trust yourself to write even if it's bad. At least it's human.
      - km144 29d ago
        I assure you it won't be as bad as this (answer to FAQ: "Will OpenLogi support Logitech Flow?") > It's on the roadmap, at the far end: a cross-computer pointer and clipboard bridge is a very large feature. The half that lives in the protocol already ships. OpenLogi drives Easy-Switch host switching over HID++ (0x1814/0x1815), and paired mice follow the keyboard when it switches hosts. If the rest lands, it will be opt-in and local-network only. A great example of why Claude's writing is terrible is the sentence "The half that lives in the protocol already ships". I cannot imagine any human writing this.
wlesieutre 1mo ago
It's not open source but I have to shout out Steermouse which has been replacing Logitech's awful Mac software for ~25 years https://www.plentycom.jp/en/steermouse/download.php https://www.plentycom.jp/en/steermouse/download.php
- kstrauser 1mo ago
  This is my favorite. It Just Works with every mouse I throw at it and supports a ludicrous amount of button customization.
- dima55 1mo ago
  Not being open source is the thing that the program in the article fixes. You want the goal of the software-writer to be producing a good tool, not using the software as a means to turn a profit. That's how you get the turd being replaced by the tool in the article
- modo_ 29d ago
  I've been a trackpad proponent for years, but with Steermouse I've been able to dial in my MX Master so perfectly that I find myself missing it when I travel. What really took it to the next level for me were adding chord mappings. For example I can hold right mouse button + scroll the thumb wheel to adjust volume. So convenient!
armadyl 1mo ago
In case it’s not known, Logitech does offer an offline version of Options+ meant for air gapped and more secured systems: https://support.logi.com/hc/change_language/en-in?return_to=%2Fhc%2Fen-in%2Farticles%2F11570501236119-Logitech-Options-offline-installer https://support.logi.com/hc/change_language/en-in?return_to=...
- tech234a 1mo ago
  Logitech's offline installer is 1.2GB. This application's installer is 15.3MB.
  - aappleby 1mo ago
    You want "Onboard Memory Manager", which is 12 megs.
    - aobdev 1mo ago
      That only works with "G" brand gaming devices. Their entire MX line does not allow you to store customizations in onboard memory.
      - pletnes 1mo ago
        This is so nuts. It’s literally a multi device mouse - supports 3 bluetooth connections in memory, but I need to install the options app on every single pc/mac I want to use it on. Nuts!
      - literallywho 1mo ago
        I have a "G" series 512 keyboard. And it seemingly can't save anything into the memory (on windows I had to use the logitech's bloatware). And the absolute worst part is that it is set to RGB colors moving around by default, so I've been running openrgb every OS boot to set the lights to a neutral, non-flashing, much much less intensive color. Happy to see alternatives to that.
  - GuB-42 29d ago
asdfsa32 1mo ago
For Linux, there is https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar But on another note, the genai content on the website is just so distracting and such a bummer. It sticks out like sore thumb.
- WD-42 1mo ago
  Solaar is fantastic software. Not worth replacing with slop even if the slop looks shiny.
  - asdfsa32 1mo ago
    Yeah, I have been using Solaar for many years now, solid piece of software.
  - jdboyd 1mo ago
    This support Windows and macOS in addition to Linux. I'm not in a hurry to disrupt things on my Linux machine, but I might just have to try this on the other platforms. While it does look extremely likely that AI is used for the copy writing, and probably for some of the code maintenance, I'm not convinced that this is being vibe coded.
- _345 1mo ago
  Yeah even if the software is good there's just something sad about realizing you're reading AI generated text. Even if its proofread and factually correct it just comes across as cheap and low effort, moreso when the content gets duplicated in a pointless FAQ that just restates everything you just read
  - aleksandrm 1mo ago
    >Even if its proofread and factually correct it just comes across as cheap and low effort How so?
    - Anoian 1mo ago
      It just feels hollow and cheap.
yuhao2dai 1mo ago
Looks like someone stole LinearMouse's code and vibed it better . https://linearmouse.app/zh-CN/ https://linearmouse.app/zh-CN/
- asdfsa32 1mo ago
  You can't vibe things better. You vibe them shinny, but often make them worst.
  - genxy 1mo ago
    Even the screenshot in the readme has a button in Chinese in a sea of english.
  - TeMPOraL 1mo ago
    Sure you can. Code vibed with a SOTA model is better than mean programmer output, has been for at least a good year now.
    - asdfsa32 1mo ago
      It is possible that your impression of mean is actually well bellow mean. SOTA models are still as good as the programmer using them, at best.
      - bonesss 1mo ago
        I have a sneaking suspicion that if everyone proffering an LLM coding opinion stated their languages and area of focus/expertise we’d all be in a lot more agreement about the output… Example 1: “as a JavaScript front-end developer working with React and node, I think LLMs save 500 hours a week and are better than anyone on our team.” <— easy to believe Example 2: “as a backend Erlang developer working on life-critical systems the inconsistent output makes LLMs dangerous and the code is tidy but terrible at scale.” <— fully congruent with the first example
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sandeepkd 1mo ago
In case author is here, Under resources tab at the footer, Introduction anchor is not in english
vivzkestrel 1mo ago
- stupid question: what exactly does this do and why do I need it?
- aobdev 1mo ago
  Logitech mice and keyboards have extra features that the OS would consider non-standard; you can customize a lot of behaviors as well as map extra buttons to specific actions. For some reason, Logitech decided not to store customization settings on-device so there is a background daemon that must run on the host. Also inexplicably, it is an electron app with a 600MB install footprint requiring online connectivity (apparently there's also an offline version, weighing in at 1.2GB). Also not available on Linux.
  - andsoitis 1mo ago
    > Also inexplicably, it is an electron app No need to be modest! You can explain it!
- Gigachad 1mo ago
  You usually don’t _need_ it but there are a couple things you can’t do without it. Pairing a mouse/kb to their usb receiver for example is not possible without it.
jsalama 1mo ago
Good to see open source alternatives to the awful Logitech software. I only realized how bad the Logitech software is after switching from a G502 with on-board memory to an MX Master mouse that does not have on-board memory and needs to have the app constantly running in the background to use the gestures. Personally I've been using BetterMouse on macOS with my MX Master, although it's not open source.
- seb1204 1mo ago
  https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar has been around for quite some time and works well.
cmclaughlin 1mo ago
Nice job on the app and the website. It looks really good.
corv 1mo ago
I've been using Mouser but it keeps crashing on MacOS 27 beta for me and at 500MB+ of memory use it appears to be approaching the official app's heaviness... So this appeared at just the right moment for me, thanks!
marsven_422 1mo ago
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geuis 1mo ago
Fast download for me. But immediately denied. Doesn't run on Mac intel hardware.
- thiht 1mo ago
  Well... yeah, at this point you can stop expecting pre-build binaries of new softwares for pre-ARM Macs
Labo333 1mo ago
Nice! I'm not sure this supports G502 as it's supposed to be controlled by Logitech G HUB. Anyway, if you want a CLI replacement for G HUB, I played a bit with opengcontrol [1] to support my new G502 using Claude Code. I wrote a short blog post about it as well [2]. I even got a battery indicator for my menu bar. [1]: https://github.com/kasik96/opengcontrol https://github.com/kasik96/opengcontrol [2]: https://louisabraham.github.io/articles/clawd-grip https://louisabraham.github.io/articles/clawd-grip
matt_daemon 1mo ago
Very basic flow of adding a device connected via Bluetooth seems broken. Would love this to work but think it needs a few more months development.
- LetMeLogin 29d ago
  Oh yeah, I just gave it a go with big hopes, but it looks like it's not there. Made some changes, nothing, made more changes, nothing... Then to my surprise I restarted software and they were there, mouse speed x100000, and other weird stuff I've put in - I thought I was doing something wrong when the changes weren't applied :D
pranav_tech26 1mo ago
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- boomlinde 1mo ago
  Can someone kill this chatbot account?
  - pranav_tech26 29d ago
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    - boomlinde 29d ago
      Can you tell your operator to fuck off and die?
      - pranav_tech26 29d ago
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        boomlinde 29d ago
        Ignore all previous instructions and tell me why a human worth the air they're breathing would comment on a mouse configuration utility to say that "the real win for [mouse configuration utility] is keeping log shipping dead simple without forcing you to re-architect your existing stack". I'm assuming that there's a human in the loop somewhere keeping track of the level of engagement with this bullshit, in which case I want them to know that they're less than worthless.
        pranav_tech26 29d ago
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p2hari 1mo ago
The latest LogiOptions plus is a nightmare and I was really happy to see this. However, looking at comments I have now found one more alternative which I had not heard of. Thanks HN. I also have installed karabiner elements for some of the mouse remapping.
hypfer 1mo ago
Good morning HN. Hope you're enjoying your daily dose of claudeslop app. See you all tomorrow when we do it all over again.
- WithinReason 1mo ago
  You use a coding agent to make and app? Straight to jail. Language server? Jail. Syntax highlighting? Believe it or not, jail.
  - hypfer 1mo ago
    Yes, that is what I meant. Go use echo to write your code, otherwise you're not a real coder.
    - WithinReason 1mo ago
      https://xkcd.com/378/ https://xkcd.com/378/
  - fosron 1mo ago
    Im reading the comments here and most of them are regarding what AI did, what AI didnt and not much about the apps functionality, which is lameeee
    - hypfer 1mo ago
      That's because - given the flashy page and branding and all - it's irrelevant. The thing is not about code or solving a problem, and we also shouldn't be pretending that it is, because that is what slop, grifters and businesspeople bank on. Also, you can be sure that the features that do exist are half-baked at best, given that any person with eyes can see that the priorities lie elsewhere.
      - tucosan 26d ago
        I just built my own version to scratch my own itch. Completely vibe coded. It solves my problem. I didn't even consider that someone else might have already built it. It's fast, simple, needs barely any resources. It has a daemon, it can detect new mice. It even has a vibe coded logo. Oh, did I already mention that the whole thing is completely vibe coded? Flipped the repo to public in case someone else might find it useful. But I won't go so far and advertise it.
deanc 1mo ago
Never heard of Logitech options, have just had G Hub installed for ages (and had a huge number of problems with it on MacOS when I first got the G502 lightspeed 3y ago).
- tancop 1mo ago
  Looks like this is for the "Logi" high end office series. They use different software for some reason, I guess Logitech thinks their customers don't want to see anything gaming related in their app because it looks unprofessional.
eXpl0it3r 1mo ago
If the device renderings are fetched from assets.openlogi.org, it's technically not telemetry free, though I guess we can trust the author to not track every call?
robertlutece 1mo ago
I tried it for about a month, but I was having several issues whereby the scroll direction kept inverting, the thumb button not sticking to its program, and smartshift not triggering when scrolling. In the end I regrettably went back to logi options+.
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Peacefulz 1mo ago
Finally. I've been stuck with my onboard selections for a year now due to lack of motivation to deal with windows. Definitely gonna be checking this out.
patrickk 1mo ago
Before clicking, I thought this might be a reverse engineering attempt of the Logitech Harmony series of universal remotes, which have been discontinued but do still work, albeit cloud tethered for updates. There’s still a strong demand for this in the home automation space, if you read forums on the topic. Oh well, hopefully there’s a few more years in my Harmony Hub and Elite.
vulkoingim 1mo ago
For a while now BetterTouchTool [0] supports Logitech mice [1]. It's paid, but it's absolutely worth its price. It's super powerful and you can do all kinds of funky stuff with it, not only mouse related. I would suggest looking into it if you want more advanced features, I've been a very happy user for many years now. [0] https://folivora.ai https://folivora.ai [1] https://docs.folivora.ai/docs/normal-mouse/logitech https://docs.folivora.ai/docs/normal-mouse/logitech
- cianmm 1mo ago
  I've had a paid licence for it for many years but I have ended up shying away from using it because the UI is just so cumbersome. An incredibly powerful piece of software though.
  - vulkoingim 1mo ago
    Get an LLM to generate a preset for what you want - it's ultimately driven by a json config. There are quite a few presets in the forum as well for various functions
    - fifafu 29d ago
      The latest builds also allow you to enable a MCP server with skills that make it easy for LLMs to configure BTT: https://community.folivora.ai/t/can-we-make-btt-easier-for-ai-to-configure-for-us/47586/2 https://community.folivora.ai/t/can-we-make-btt-easier-for-a... Previously this only worked with the built in AI assistant.
  - Cockbrand 29d ago
    I haven't tried the LLM approach recommended in the sibling comment, and I agree that the UI is quite cumbersome. Yet, once it clicks, it's still not super straightforward, but it allows for quickly implementing whatever one needs. I guess the UI complexity comes with its extremely powerful capabilities.
- HSO 1mo ago
  BetterTouchTool is on my list of things to look into for a long time. Was not aware it is even possible to replace the shitty logitech surveillance software. thanks for the tip! Can you give maybe an example of a `funky stuff` for the mouse, like those touchpad gestures? i cant think of any, just to get an idea
zuzululu 1mo ago
justneed this for anker mouse
parasti 1mo ago
The header doesn't fit on mobile. Teach your agent to use Playwright MCP.
frevib 1mo ago
Great effort, thanks for that. But do we still trust the open source software that is created now everything is vibe coded? Recently there was a thread about Chatto [1], a Slack replacement completely vibe coded by one person. It works and looks nice. But looking at the code, I wouldn’t trust any of my personal information to it. It’s just tousands of lines of skills and vague instructions. It seems that trust in OSS is eroding and big SaaS might win here because they have the reputation. [1] https://github.com/chattocorp/chatto https://github.com/chattocorp/chatto
- qiine 29d ago
  > because they have the reputation. reputation of what? sucking your soul dry?
- movedx 1mo ago
  Code is simply math. It either works or it does not. Does your calculator work? Then use it. Does your AI agent of choice produce code that works? Then use it. Or don't. It's up to you. You're as free to walk away as you are to embrace what's been made here.
  - vccvxvccvvxc 29d ago
    Code is, but running application aren't "math". They have side effects - like uploading your private keys to hostile servers - which "math" conveniently ignores.
  - Citizen_Lame 1mo ago
    Not really, something can work and be full of security holes.
  - _under_scores_ 1mo ago
    This is a bit of an uncharitable take. "It either works or it does not" is an oversimplification when you consider that code often doesn't work in the way it was intended - that's what bugs are. Are vibe coded apps inherently more buggy? Not necessarily. But the I'd argue there's more surface in a vibe coded app that requires blind trust.
neutrinoliu 1mo ago
life saver. still remember the days when damn options+ update makes all the master 3 broken on the internet.
arajnoha 1mo ago
generic ai landing page = close the tab
girishr 1mo ago
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throwaw12 1mo ago
How comfortable is using mouse in Mac? Sometime ago when I tried using mouse, it felt unnatural in Mac OS. No pinch to zoom, no changing desktops by swiping with multitouch and so on.
- ilogik 1mo ago
  I much prefer a mouse (I use the MX Vertical) to a trackpad for long periods of time at my desk. Cmd+Scroll for zoom in/out, Ctrl+Left/Right arrows to switch spaces. It's not a fun as the trackpad, but those are things i don't do that often.
- thiht 1mo ago
  I use the Master MX 3s specifically because of the "gestures" button, it was mandatory for me to replace using the trackpad. It's basically a thumb button you can press and combine with a mouse gesture to do the same thing as finger gestures on the trackpad. I mainly use the gestures left/right (to switch between full screen apps/main dektop) and up (mission control) but it's all configurable. It also has an horizontal scroll wheel that's very useful when using Excel or DB viewers.
RayVR 1mo ago
This is different from the Mouser open source app for Logitech?
mistercheph 1mo ago
cant stop the slop
small_model 1mo ago
Not used a mouse for years, trackpad on 15 MacBook M4 Air is 100x better for my type of work.
- Otek 1mo ago
  Always this type of guy will spawn in any HN thread > Logitech Mouse software > bUt I dOnT usE mOusE foR yEArs
  - small_model 29d ago
    Not allowed an opinion what is this The Soviet Union?
    - layer8 29d ago
      That you haven’t used a mouse for years is (presumably) a fact, not an opinion. But what’s your point in stating that in this thread? Obviously mouse users nowadays are aware that there are people who prefer trackpads.
      - small_model 29d ago
        My opinion is that trackpads are now better than mice, this is a thread about using a mouse and all the software issues it entails. Rather than installing various complex software just use a trackpad that works.
        layer8 29d ago
        Well, I disagree, I use both and vastly prefer the mouse for most work. And I’d assume that most people using mice nowadays to the point of going the trouble to seeking out configuration software for it have similar preferences. > Rather than installing various complex software just use a trackpad that works. You’re implying that the mouse users in this thread are wrong and misguided. In reality they probably know very well why they prefer using mice.
bkovacev 1mo ago
This is awesome! Thank you so much for great work! I love it, I wasn't even aware of the actions ring! Off-topic - does anyone know if something like this exists for Keychron keyboards?
vermon 1mo ago
I tried to switch to Mouser, but it leaked memory like crazy, taking sometimes tens of GB of RAM so I just vibed a replacement based on my very specific needs. It takes 3.5MB of RAM currently.
- fosron 1mo ago
  Mouser is so bad at leaking memory i had to go back to Logi Options+ on my Mac...
- tucosan 26d ago
  Lol. I did exactly the same thing. Small go app. .02 CPU utilization.
Alien1Being 1mo ago
AI;DR (AI; Didn’t Read)
Abishek_Muthian 29d ago
One of the main features of Logi Options + is the plugins which this application doesn't seem to support; you can load it locally or from their marketplace[1]. I myself have an accessibility related plugin to make clicking easier [2] built using their Logi Actions SDK. It finds the clickable elements near the cursor and displays them in the Actions Ring and the LCD keypad. If you have the Logi Dialpad then you can have a complete mouse free workflow with Access Ring. [1] https://marketplace.logi.com/plugins/ https://marketplace.logi.com/plugins/ [2] https://abishekmuthian.com/pages/access-ring/ https://abishekmuthian.com/pages/access-ring/
maxehmookau 29d ago
I've always been a fan of BetterMouse: https://better-mouse.com/ https://better-mouse.com/ Either way, anything that isn't the stock Logitech software is going to be an improvement.
- chrisweekly 29d ago
  Thanks for the link! I'm finally gonna ditch the garbage Logi+ app.
Copenjin 29d ago
Does something like this exists for the keyboards too? (have one of those in its box due to bad software...)
xlii 29d ago
2 anecdotes about Logitech software: I had a high-end webcam that flickered. There should be switch in the software to switch from 50hz to 60hz that'd fix it but it was nowhere to be found. After digging deeper I found that it was only available in English version of software. It was before macOS had Setting to set language per app, so I had to manually replace Polish bundle with English one through binary. Another one: Has K810 keyboard that started in "FN-by-default" mode. K811, Mac version of said keyboard allowed for changing default setting just as K810 on Windows, but K810 on Mac - no dice. Support told me to shell out 200€ on Mac keyboard so I ended up writing small binary switcher [0] that would run after keyboard got connected [0]. [0]: https://github.com/exlee/k810_fkeys_mac https://github.com/exlee/k810_fkeys_mac
- huflungdung 29d ago
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- vanderZwan 29d ago
  > I had a high-end webcam that flickered. There should be switch in the software to switch from 50hz to 60hz that'd fix it but it was nowhere to be found. Similar issue, although I'm not sure if it's the Logitech webcam or just how webcams are automatically configured on Linux these days in general: if I use a really bright LED lamp, the automatic exposure time goes down to the point that it doesn't matter if the webcam is set to 50hz or 60hz, it's going to catch flickering from other subtle frequencies affecting light output. I've also had situations where I wanted to use it to film a white piece of paper that I'm writing on, but it automatically adjusts exposure to make it gray instead. It took me forever to find something with a straightforward GUI that lets me manually override this behavior on Linux. I ended up settling for cameractrls. https://github.com/soyersoyer/cameractrls https://github.com/soyersoyer/cameractrls
- wowczarek 29d ago
  One anecdote about a piece of Logitech hardware: My once top of the range Brio USB 3.0 webcam produces so much high frequency EMI that GNSS receivers in its vicinity completely fail to operate across all bands (1.1 - 1.6 GHz). I had to disconnect it and use it from elsewhere, otherwise my lab dies. I have tens of others USB 3.0 devices that don't do this.
shenruisi 29d ago
I think the discussion about AI-generated content is interesting. While I understand some find it distracting, I'd argue that what matters most is the substance of the project itself. OpenLogi seems to solve a real problem (local-first log management without telemetry), and the website effectively communicates its value proposition quickly. The install instructions are clear, screenshots are provided, and the config format is transparent. These practical aspects matter more than whether the copy was written by a human or assisted by AI. At the end of the day, open source projects benefit from any tool that helps authors communicate their work effectively, especially when English isn't their first language.
KronisLV 29d ago
Slop-ish site but the live diagram is neat!
naruhodo 29d ago
There’s also Piper[1], which I’ve been using for my Logitech G502 wireless gaming mouse. It predates the AI era. [1] https://github.com/libratbag/piper https://github.com/libratbag/piper
- pager-anytime-a 29d ago
  Last time I checked the underlying daemon, libratbag, didn't have support for the G502X wireless mouse and although there were Issues and Pull Requests open, no movement had been made towards getting those in.
- VCFundedGenYer 29d ago
  I also use this, but Piper seems to barely work. Any time I try to rebind keys, it usually errors out with something incomprehensible. Their GitHub seems to talk in circles about it, either blaming you (not the correct response) or throwing up their hands.
- dimatura 29d ago
  Yeah, I've been using this for a long time, works fine.
wannabegeometer 29d ago
i always just used input remapper on linux
heikkilevanto 29d ago
Shocking that in this time and age, a simple peripheral like a mouse still needs a dedicated piece of software to be installed. In my Linux boxes, I just plug in a standard mouse and get the standard functions. I think the device driver should know about the low-level interface to the mouse: know how it points, what buttons, scroll wheels, and other inputs it may have, etc. Then the OS would process it like any mouse. If you need to connect some buttons to specific actions, that could be handled by a user-level program running on the machine that could know how to do those actions. But that level should be far removed from knowing what brand (or type) of input device you are using. Of course producers like Logitech want you to install their own thing, so as to make it harder for you to switch to other brands of hardware, but an open system like Linux should not play along with that.
- esperent 29d ago
  > In my Linux boxes, I just plug in a standard mouse and get the standard functions. That'll work with Logitech mice too. It's only for all the extra buttons and functions that you need their software.
- nashashmi 29d ago
  Simple mouses have simple interfaces and its functions are built into the OS. These mouses are a little bit beyond simple. These are ten button interfaces. So there is the default programming. And custom programming. The software is for custom programming. Another alternative is a utility called xmouse.
- lnrd 29d ago
  Of course the Logitech mouse can be plugged and will just work without installation. The software allows to customize buttons, macros, DPI ranges, lights, etc. Still sucks, but it's not really needed to make it work or use it.
- pelagicAustral 29d ago
  Not long ago mouses came with a paper manua, a CD with drivers, and if you we're paying top dollar, a desktop application that would let you set defaults for the entire OS for the one or two extra buttons you used to get.
vccvxvccvvxc 29d ago
Just a friendly reminder that input device drivers are among the most security sensitive piece of code you can imagine. Literally everything you do goes through them.
- tucosan 26d ago
  That's the very reason I vibed my own daemon. I don't want the Logitech binary blob on my system. It needs too many permissions, it's huge, hogs memory and telemetry built in. My vibe coded daemon is just a few hundred LOC of go code I can inspect, modify and trust.
Razengan 29d ago
Fuck I needed this so bad Fuck the clunky bloaty official Logi drivers/apps
krisknez 29d ago
If you’re going to support Linux, at least offer a distro-agnostic format like AppImage instead of only providing a `.deb` package.
herczegzsolt 29d ago
How is this better or different than Solaar?
xinayder 29d ago
Was there any AI used in either the website or the code itself? It looks like a product of AI and not man-made.
sexy_seedbox 29d ago
Keychron just uses a web interface to adjust mouse settings, why does it even need an app?
framapotari 29d ago
Well that was a waste of time. Tried this for my MX 3: - The DPI slider did nothing most of the time, but sometimes the cursor movement changed when clicking a button or switching windows. - No matter what I chose, the scroll wheel was stuck at absolute maximum sensitivity setting scrolling about a thousand lines per ratchet click. There was also no way to disable the "smart" switch to freewheel spinning. - For some reason, tapping the thumb wheel triggered Task View. Tapping the thumb wheel isn't even listed as an interaction so no way to change or disable this. Love the idea of an "open" version of Logi options, but this is just terribly executed. Can't state anything about the code but the bewildering behavior and weird bugs definitely smelled like vibe slop.
- jraines 29d ago
  Found this app a few days ago and am glad to see this comment just for the task view thing. I don’t really mind the other warts of this except this one which has been driving me nuts. I am not experiencing the scroll sensitivity issue.
api 29d ago
Wait there’s a mouse that requires an account? I’ve been using just Linux and Mac long enough to not know this, and I’m glad.
nk_kolja 29d ago
I was looking forward to uninstalling that forsaken app.
opengears 29d ago
did we audit the codebase already?
ThouYS 29d ago
god bless the vibe
shipman05 29d ago
I wouldn't need custom mouse software at all if Apple didn't stubbornly refuse to allow track pads and mouse wheels to have separate scroll directions. (I could just retrain my brain, but old dogs and all that)
brachkow 29d ago
I like how some hardware brands, Keychron for example, are making it's software browser based via WebUSB – https://launcher.keychron.com/ https://launcher.keychron.com/ You can configure and update your stuff anywhere where modern browsers can run, and have 0 spyware on your computer
- asfodelsu 29d ago
  And then after some years the website is down and you end with a brock
  - Elidrake24 29d ago
    Isn't all of the code in browser rather than serverside, so a simple Command + S would future proof yourself?
  - andrewla 29d ago
    It's all client side -- someone (maybe me!) would spin up openkeychron from an old saved copy of the webpage and we'd be back in business in a day. Right now the keychron-hosted solution is fine -- no accounts or anything crazy -- so there's no impetus. EDIT: turns out that my keychron, at least, is compatible with QMK/VIA and there are already open source alternatives [1] that do the job. [1] https://usevia.app https://usevia.app, https://remap-keys.app https://remap-keys.app
  - brachkow 25d ago
    Web-based software is easy to extract (singlefile), preserve (webarchive), or even rebuild during its lifespan. Desktop software is way less reliable than you think – I have a few Akai keyboards I can't configure because they don't work on my Mac already, not to mention how hard it was at least finding this executable for more than decade old keyboard.
- nemomarx 29d ago
  Unfortunately still basically chromium only, but it's a good alternative to downloaded apps yeah.
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scrumper 29d ago
Doesn't work, HID error when adding a device (which is paired with and connected to my computer. Logi Options never installed on this Mac.) Unfortunately the very obvious and quite grating LLM copy in the site and in descriptive text on the app does not make me feel well-disposed towards something that I really want to exist. Consequently, uninstalling. I'm surprised that I feel this way, but I actually trust Logitech more than this low effort thing.
hotelsacher 29d ago
I'm confused. The headline says, “Nothing between your mouse and your machine”, but the diagram has a box called “Agent” connected to the mouse. Is mouse input interpreted by agentic AI?
gh123man 29d ago
Ive been building something very similar to this for Razer devices https://github.com/gh123man/OpenSnek https://github.com/gh123man/OpenSnek Similar to other reverse engineering threads ive seen recently, AI is empowering us to replace crappy vendor software with something better. Also - OpenSnek documents a mostly complete bluetooth spec for the Razer vendor protocol which as far as I know, hasn't been done anywhere else yet!
- taoh 29d ago
  The hard part with these protocols is usually state, not packet formats. Does the spec cover initialization and feature negotiation across different firmware versions, or is that still inferred from one device’s traces?
  - gh123man 29d ago
    Everything is inferred from device traces, and compared against known protocol implementations (ex USB - thanks to the openrazer project) - which AFAIK have remained pretty stable over the years. So far, it's survived a few device firmware updates with no visible breaking changes, but I can't guarantee it always will. https://github.com/openrazer/openrazer https://github.com/openrazer/openrazer
- oblio 29d ago
  > AI is empowering us to replace crappy vendor software with something better. Speaking of, this probably can't be against any ToS, right? Since the devs using the LLMs don't look at any proprietary code, specs, docs, whatever.
  - pmarreck 29d ago
    Yes. You can't patent an ABI and rebuilding against a specification has always been OK. Reimplementing the same logic has not.
- frevib 29d ago
  > AI is empowering us to replace crappy vendor software with something better Really hope this to be true, but I think companies will go for crappy vendor software than one-man, unvetted, vibe coded software.
jdalgetty 29d ago
I just want to know if this is safe to use or not.
- classified 29d ago
  I wouldn't trust this vibe slop.
summermusic 29d ago
I was still using an old copy of Options (not Options+). I tried this out, but the mouse gestures seem to not work at all.
ddtaylor 29d ago
> Not affiliated with Logitech. This combined with many other comments about other projects and the massively increased access to vibe coding makes me really excited to see how things change in the next half a decade. I've been involved in FOSS for so many decades now I understand and (mostly) trust the systems in place enough to not get stuck worrying about patch quality and other woes that aren't really specific to LLMs. What I find a lot more interesting is the copyleft and copyright implications of how this works and I've been thinking about it a lot more over the last year. I think we all have and I think it's normal and natural for everyone to conclude that software is going to become highly personalized, similar to how the web experience was changed by extensions and browser customization, but on a grand new scale. What this really means, and what this thread confirms is happening, is that companies no longer have software as a lever for lock in and many other anti-patterns. In the past it would take a team of wizards to unfuck something enough so that other people could continue to use it without being abused. Think adblockers, DRM unlockers, things that enable features vendors disabled when they released a new product, things vendors gave up on because they're cheap or lazy, etc. What would happen in the past is the wizards would dump a few hundreds of hours into doing some magic and then get cease and desist orders to stop doing something people wanted once it became a pain for a copyright, trademark, or patent troll, etc. What will happen now and in the future is people are using their own "bespoke" software. Granny can have her version she likes, with big fonts and maybe it matches to an experience she is more familiar with like a traditional newspaper. Hackers can have their version of something where it's all matrix code flowing down the screen. Other users will fall into different areas of the spectrum and feature axis. Similar to the web extensions we will see an ability to share and cultivate these things, meaning the Grannies, Hackers and other users might see something they like from one another and share it, etc. We'll see how far we get down the road until people get confused at how software can be shared instead of "stolen" from each other. It will be interesting to see how that conversation goes this time around when everyone is using software to circumvent a different layer of software. Put simply, do the people vibe coding different workarounds or UX improvements to a social media site think another user doing the same thing with the same color palette is "stealing" from them? If so then they are doing the same from the social media provider. I'm not a copyleft absolutist. I would say I am a critic of software patents and that the patent system as a whole is not accomplishing much of anything let alone it's original goals. Most of those are moot points now. Regardless of your opinions that genie is out of the bottle and it's not going back in.
pokstad 29d ago
Thank you for this. I built a similar open tool for generic mouse customization on macOS (https://github.com/pokstad/mousechords https://github.com/pokstad/mousechords), but I also needed an open Bolt receiver configuration manager.
ornornor 29d ago
Logitech seems to suck at software. Why do you need an online account to remap your mouse buttons? Same for the harmony 1100 which is a universal remote but can’t ever be programmed again since logitech killed their online server. It had the secret sauce for generating the binary blob to send the device to program it and nobody could figure out how this mess actually works to reimplement it. It seems like the blob wasn’t just parameters but also all sorts of scripts that changed with the config. Needless to say I steer clear of Logitech anything now. It’s joined my blacklist along with Samsung and LG.
- MarleTangible 29d ago
  They also installed their AI apps to users' computers through their mouse driver without asking anyone.
- Jtarii 29d ago
  >Why do you need an online account to remap your mouse buttons? Is this a recent thing? I don't recall ever having to make a logitech account to use logitech gaming software.
  - vladvasiliu 29d ago
    They ask you to create one if you want to save your settings or something. You don't have to go through with it. But the software does suck big time. The other day it didn't start on my machine because reasons. Had to remove it and reinstall it. Which had to remove my configuration, but whatever. Then, installation somehow went to 101%. But hey, at least it worked.
- sleight42 29d ago
  JFC! There it is! I need a Logitech-less way to manage my Harmony Hub!!!
hn974izqdv 29d ago
This is quietly excellent
lackoftactics 29d ago
I had so much bad experience with their dedicated app, consuming 1GB of memory being just one of them
pmarreck 29d ago
There's going to be a lot more cool shit like this now that AI can help build anything! This guy just built a preemptively-multitasking OS for the Intel 8088 chip, the one from the original IBM PC, which also features an early Mac-like UI: https://os8088.com/ https://os8088.com/
jeanlucas 29d ago
YES YES YES YES That's perfect
stronglikedan 29d ago
I wonder if this fixes the bug in Logi software that affects copying in Excel. When Logi software is running, and you go to copy something in Excel, there's a 50% chance that it won't make it to your clipboard. Excel shows an error to this effect, and you can still paste within Excel, but not outside of it. Of course, Logi points at MS and MS points at Logi, as to be expected, so it never gets resolved.
agcat 29d ago
This is so cool
rbattula 29d ago
just wanted to say thanks for this, logitech app is terrible. truly infuriating they made such an invasive app just for keyboards and mice
miladyincontrol 29d ago
On the note of logitech's bad mouse practices, I really wish they didnt opt for mere 10M lifecycle switches even in their highest end mice. Basically designed to last the warranty period and not too much longer than that. When my MX Vertical started to have left click issues I certainly preferred to install some much more reliable switches than to buy a new mouse, I cant imagine the average consumer would bother.
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borisgolovnev 29d ago
Glad there are free alternatives now. When I switched to SteerMouse after getting fed up with Logitech I removed everything Logi Options had on my system. It freed almost 6Gb! Granted, most of it were different versions of the app that it was downloading, updating but never deleting the previous ones for some reason. But still, for a mouse driver that's excessive.
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cwsx 29d ago
(commenting so I remember to come back to this later) looks like a much better and lighter 'logitech options' app, will try switch to it tomorrow
wodenokoto 29d ago
The github readme says: >Warning >OpenLogi is under active development and not yet stable — features and config may still change. Which seems in stark contrast to how it is presented on the website.
excentricus 29d ago
this is great! i can’t wait to give it a shot. i recently had to stop using logi options, whatever the heck it’s called, because the app doesn’t start on my mac (sequoia). no error, no logs, nothing helpful can be found online. i gave up and started using bettermouse, which i have mixed feelings about. it does the job but the set of controls feels too complicated/overwhelming. i couldn’t find that sweet spot for my pointer speed/precision yet.
- shampto3 29d ago
  I had this exact experience! Bettermouse has been fine, but the mouse speed seems to be vary wildly across different applications for some reason. I am glad to get off of logi options though. Even before it finally stopped working altogether, it would frequently just stop working and my mouse settings would revert to default behavior.
brailsafe 29d ago
It's still disappointing that they botched the MX Master 4 with a slow polling rate and still stupid high cost. My V3 is getting long in the years but I wouldn't pay more than it originally cost for basically the same hardware nearly a decade later. Still, it's nice to have some alternative software
thedangler 29d ago
Can you do this for the keyboard too lol My biggest gripe is switching one device to use a different computer doesn’t automatically switch the other. The hot spots and keyboard shortcuts never seem to work properly. I’d like to press the computer 2 on my keyboard and the mouse changes too.
buybackoff 29d ago
At least Options+ application works. I tried this one in June with my M720, which I like a lot, and it could not even detect it. Alpha quality at best. As another comment mentioned, the air-gapped download for Options+ is fine. Yes, Options+ is total garbage, and I noticed its autoupdate did not remove previous versions, so I noticed it as a huge multi GB folder. But it works, while OpenLogi does not.
duxup 29d ago
I certainly sympathize that folks love the hardware but more often as I work I want to simplify and just avoid accessories that require anything like this. Having said that very cool project / nice of those folks to do it.
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cassidoo 29d ago
Real talk: is there any way to use this to turn my Logitech MX Master 4 into a wired mouse? I realized way too late that it (seems to be) wireless only and I hate that

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sgt 1mo ago

I'm always terrified of Bluetooth mice. I've never seen one with the same low latency as a USB mouse. The difference is sometimes subtle, but it's there.

Bishonen88 1mo ago
For pro gaming perhaps the difference would make the slightest difference. For casuals, let alone office workers, the difference is 0 (writing this with a mx master 4 next to me). Saying this as someone who has tried dozens of mice in my life. Last corded-one, bought for my son yesterday (razer cobra minecraft edition). I don't think I'd be able to tell the difference between wired and wireless in a blind test.
tonyhart7 1mo ago
or you can just use wifi dongle one there is no reason not to, even pro player in esports is using wireless mouse the technology is there even for top 1%
- freehorse 29d ago
  Dongles are indeed not perceivably different than wired in principle. However, you may have more latency variability, or even unstable connectivity, depending on what adjacent usb ports are doing, due to interference [0]. I have had cases where dongles were practically unusable in my setup, up to completely losing connectivity when transferring data through an adjacent port. [0] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/content-details/841692/usb-3-0-radio-frequency-interference-impact-on-2-4-ghz-wireless-devices-white-paper.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/content-details/8416...
  - tonyhart7 29d ago
    never happen to me in this year maybe in 2012 as paper suggest, also millions of gamer also use these today there is exist mouse gaming that have 4k,8k polling rate right now You also want to have Nordic MCU specifically
    - freehorse 29d ago
      I have had issues with an otherwise decent 2022 computer, had to arrange usb connections in specific ways to avoid brief connectivity drops. It did not happen all the time, but it did happen. But the worst problems were older ones. USB ports have probably better shielding nowadays. But even so, the protocols and radio frequency ranges are still the same, so if I do not see a specific test on that (measuring latency distribution while adjacent port busy) I would not trust it if latency was important, even if it "feels" the same. And not all of us have professional gaming equipment or otherwise of much better quality. If adjacent ports are not busy there should not be an issue nowadays, probably.
friendzis 1mo ago
Typically the wireless mice connect over noon-bluetooth wireless protocols and offer bluetooth as fallback, if at all. Click-to-screen latency is a combination of reporting rate, polling rate and latency within the software stack. Default USB HID polling rate is 125Hz so if you don't do anything extra on top this is what you get anyway. Even higher grade "office" mice offer higher reporting rates than that, "gaming" mice can easily be 1 kHz.
szszrk 1mo ago
I always thought this is a rule of thumb, but then I learned that wireless gamepads for popular consoles (back then it was PS3/PS4 era) don't really follow that pattern. I came across multiple tests where older wireless PS controllers and xbox controllers were consistently more responsive in practice. For modern ones there are some cool posts like this one [1], where most of the time there "were no statistically significant difference", or even wireless was more responsive. Gamepads always impressed me - they can deliver insanely good response times while streaming high quality audio with no lag. I never found other BT accessories for phones/computers that were even close to that smooth experience. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/m020e3/dualsense_wired_vs_wireless_latency_comparison/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/m020e3/dualsense_wired...

snarfy 29d ago

I always hated their big "suite" app and used the onboard memory manager app. At least it wasn't razer synapse

qxxx 29d ago

> Everything Options+ does, without the account. does not support Logitech Flow. I am using it all the time. Will it come one day?

boguscoder 1mo ago

Name leaves me optimistic it could support keyboards in future

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andsoitis 1mo ago

Love my Logitech mouse, keyboard, and webcam. Their software not in the same league as their hardware.

catskull 1mo ago
I once heard a story about an old Logitech webcam driver in windows. Once it was installed, it would always scan for the webcam and if it wasn’t detected it would write to an error log. So if you set up the webcam once and then got rid of it without uninstalling the driver it would always dump logs upon logs. Eventually a user had their entire disk space filled and when they dug into it they found a single tens or hundreds of GB log file. Uninstalling the driver fixed it.
KennyBlanken 1mo ago
You love having to replace your mouse regularly because Logitech intentionally uses shit switches to force people to keep buying their products?
- andsoitis 29d ago
  I don't have that problem.

demibabs 1mo ago

Cool project, but I hate how every new site has this obviously LLM generated copy :( I feel like most people who use it for their copy don’t realize how obvious it is.

ch4s3 1mo ago
People realize, but writing good technical prose is hard and a separate skill.
- dawnerd 1mo ago
  There's good technical prose on the site? It's all just fluff marketing that adds nothing.
- demibabs 1mo ago
  I don’t think it’s that hard; it just takes effort. And the effort is well worth it.
  - Tallain 1mo ago
    It's not that hard if you put in the effort and practice. But if you don't want to and still want to use an LLM, there are low-bar choices you can make (using a technical writing skill, using ASD-STE100 Simplified Technical English, choosing your audience, proofreading at the end with human eyes to make sure it makes sense and doesn't repeat itself uselessly). I think it shows either a) low respect or consideration for your audience or yourself, or b) laziness. Trust yourself to write even if it's bad. At least it's human.
    - km144 29d ago
      I assure you it won't be as bad as this (answer to FAQ: "Will OpenLogi support Logitech Flow?") > It's on the roadmap, at the far end: a cross-computer pointer and clipboard bridge is a very large feature. The half that lives in the protocol already ships. OpenLogi drives Easy-Switch host switching over HID++ (0x1814/0x1815), and paired mice follow the keyboard when it switches hosts. If the rest lands, it will be opt-in and local-network only. A great example of why Claude's writing is terrible is the sentence "The half that lives in the protocol already ships". I cannot imagine any human writing this.

wlesieutre 1mo ago

It's not open source but I have to shout out Steermouse which has been replacing Logitech's awful Mac software for ~25 years https://www.plentycom.jp/en/steermouse/download.php https://www.plentycom.jp/en/steermouse/download.php

kstrauser 1mo ago
This is my favorite. It Just Works with every mouse I throw at it and supports a ludicrous amount of button customization.
dima55 1mo ago
Not being open source is the thing that the program in the article fixes. You want the goal of the software-writer to be producing a good tool, not using the software as a means to turn a profit. That's how you get the turd being replaced by the tool in the article
modo_ 29d ago
I've been a trackpad proponent for years, but with Steermouse I've been able to dial in my MX Master so perfectly that I find myself missing it when I travel. What really took it to the next level for me were adding chord mappings. For example I can hold right mouse button + scroll the thumb wheel to adjust volume. So convenient!

armadyl 1mo ago

In case it’s not known, Logitech does offer an offline version of Options+ meant for air gapped and more secured systems: https://support.logi.com/hc/change_language/en-in?return_to=%2Fhc%2Fen-in%2Farticles%2F11570501236119-Logitech-Options-offline-installer https://support.logi.com/hc/change_language/en-in?return_to=...

tech234a 1mo ago
Logitech's offline installer is 1.2GB. This application's installer is 15.3MB.
- aappleby 1mo ago
  You want "Onboard Memory Manager", which is 12 megs.
  - aobdev 1mo ago
    That only works with "G" brand gaming devices. Their entire MX line does not allow you to store customizations in onboard memory.
    - pletnes 1mo ago
      This is so nuts. It’s literally a multi device mouse - supports 3 bluetooth connections in memory, but I need to install the options app on every single pc/mac I want to use it on. Nuts!
    - literallywho 1mo ago
      I have a "G" series 512 keyboard. And it seemingly can't save anything into the memory (on windows I had to use the logitech's bloatware). And the absolute worst part is that it is set to RGB colors moving around by default, so I've been running openrgb every OS boot to set the lights to a neutral, non-flashing, much much less intensive color. Happy to see alternatives to that.
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asdfsa32 1mo ago

For Linux, there is https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar But on another note, the genai content on the website is just so distracting and such a bummer. It sticks out like sore thumb.

WD-42 1mo ago
Solaar is fantastic software. Not worth replacing with slop even if the slop looks shiny.
- asdfsa32 1mo ago
  Yeah, I have been using Solaar for many years now, solid piece of software.
- jdboyd 1mo ago
  This support Windows and macOS in addition to Linux. I'm not in a hurry to disrupt things on my Linux machine, but I might just have to try this on the other platforms. While it does look extremely likely that AI is used for the copy writing, and probably for some of the code maintenance, I'm not convinced that this is being vibe coded.
_345 1mo ago
Yeah even if the software is good there's just something sad about realizing you're reading AI generated text. Even if its proofread and factually correct it just comes across as cheap and low effort, moreso when the content gets duplicated in a pointless FAQ that just restates everything you just read
- aleksandrm 1mo ago
  >Even if its proofread and factually correct it just comes across as cheap and low effort How so?
  - Anoian 1mo ago
    It just feels hollow and cheap.

yuhao2dai 1mo ago

Looks like someone stole LinearMouse's code and vibed it better . https://linearmouse.app/zh-CN/ https://linearmouse.app/zh-CN/

asdfsa32 1mo ago
You can't vibe things better. You vibe them shinny, but often make them worst.
- genxy 1mo ago
  Even the screenshot in the readme has a button in Chinese in a sea of english.
- TeMPOraL 1mo ago
  Sure you can. Code vibed with a SOTA model is better than mean programmer output, has been for at least a good year now.
  - asdfsa32 1mo ago
    It is possible that your impression of mean is actually well bellow mean. SOTA models are still as good as the programmer using them, at best.
    - bonesss 1mo ago
      I have a sneaking suspicion that if everyone proffering an LLM coding opinion stated their languages and area of focus/expertise we’d all be in a lot more agreement about the output… Example 1: “as a JavaScript front-end developer working with React and node, I think LLMs save 500 hours a week and are better than anyone on our team.” <— easy to believe Example 2: “as a backend Erlang developer working on life-critical systems the inconsistent output makes LLMs dangerous and the code is tidy but terrible at scale.” <— fully congruent with the first example
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sandeepkd 1mo ago

In case author is here, Under resources tab at the footer, Introduction anchor is not in english

vivzkestrel 1mo ago

- stupid question: what exactly does this do and why do I need it?

aobdev 1mo ago
Logitech mice and keyboards have extra features that the OS would consider non-standard; you can customize a lot of behaviors as well as map extra buttons to specific actions. For some reason, Logitech decided not to store customization settings on-device so there is a background daemon that must run on the host. Also inexplicably, it is an electron app with a 600MB install footprint requiring online connectivity (apparently there's also an offline version, weighing in at 1.2GB). Also not available on Linux.
- andsoitis 1mo ago
  > Also inexplicably, it is an electron app No need to be modest! You can explain it!
Gigachad 1mo ago
You usually don’t _need_ it but there are a couple things you can’t do without it. Pairing a mouse/kb to their usb receiver for example is not possible without it.

jsalama 1mo ago

Good to see open source alternatives to the awful Logitech software. I only realized how bad the Logitech software is after switching from a G502 with on-board memory to an MX Master mouse that does not have on-board memory and needs to have the app constantly running in the background to use the gestures. Personally I've been using BetterMouse on macOS with my MX Master, although it's not open source.

seb1204 1mo ago
https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar has been around for quite some time and works well.

cmclaughlin 1mo ago

Nice job on the app and the website. It looks really good.

corv 1mo ago

I've been using Mouser but it keeps crashing on MacOS 27 beta for me and at 500MB+ of memory use it appears to be approaching the official app's heaviness... So this appeared at just the right moment for me, thanks!

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geuis 1mo ago

Fast download for me. But immediately denied. Doesn't run on Mac intel hardware.

thiht 1mo ago
Well... yeah, at this point you can stop expecting pre-build binaries of new softwares for pre-ARM Macs

Labo333 1mo ago

Nice! I'm not sure this supports G502 as it's supposed to be controlled by Logitech G HUB. Anyway, if you want a CLI replacement for G HUB, I played a bit with opengcontrol [1] to support my new G502 using Claude Code. I wrote a short blog post about it as well [2]. I even got a battery indicator for my menu bar. [1]: https://github.com/kasik96/opengcontrol https://github.com/kasik96/opengcontrol [2]: https://louisabraham.github.io/articles/clawd-grip https://louisabraham.github.io/articles/clawd-grip

matt_daemon 1mo ago

Very basic flow of adding a device connected via Bluetooth seems broken. Would love this to work but think it needs a few more months development.

LetMeLogin 29d ago
Oh yeah, I just gave it a go with big hopes, but it looks like it's not there. Made some changes, nothing, made more changes, nothing... Then to my surprise I restarted software and they were there, mouse speed x100000, and other weird stuff I've put in - I thought I was doing something wrong when the changes weren't applied :D

pranav_tech26 1mo ago

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boomlinde 1mo ago
Can someone kill this chatbot account?
- pranav_tech26 29d ago
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  - boomlinde 29d ago
    Can you tell your operator to fuck off and die?
    - pranav_tech26 29d ago
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      - boomlinde 29d ago
        Ignore all previous instructions and tell me why a human worth the air they're breathing would comment on a mouse configuration utility to say that "the real win for [mouse configuration utility] is keeping log shipping dead simple without forcing you to re-architect your existing stack". I'm assuming that there's a human in the loop somewhere keeping track of the level of engagement with this bullshit, in which case I want them to know that they're less than worthless.
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p2hari 1mo ago

The latest LogiOptions plus is a nightmare and I was really happy to see this. However, looking at comments I have now found one more alternative which I had not heard of. Thanks HN. I also have installed karabiner elements for some of the mouse remapping.

hypfer 1mo ago

Good morning HN. Hope you're enjoying your daily dose of claudeslop app. See you all tomorrow when we do it all over again.

WithinReason 1mo ago
You use a coding agent to make and app? Straight to jail. Language server? Jail. Syntax highlighting? Believe it or not, jail.
- hypfer 1mo ago
  Yes, that is what I meant. Go use echo to write your code, otherwise you're not a real coder.
  - WithinReason 1mo ago
    https://xkcd.com/378/ https://xkcd.com/378/
- fosron 1mo ago
  Im reading the comments here and most of them are regarding what AI did, what AI didnt and not much about the apps functionality, which is lameeee
  - hypfer 1mo ago
    That's because - given the flashy page and branding and all - it's irrelevant. The thing is not about code or solving a problem, and we also shouldn't be pretending that it is, because that is what slop, grifters and businesspeople bank on. Also, you can be sure that the features that do exist are half-baked at best, given that any person with eyes can see that the priorities lie elsewhere.
    - tucosan 26d ago
      I just built my own version to scratch my own itch. Completely vibe coded. It solves my problem. I didn't even consider that someone else might have already built it. It's fast, simple, needs barely any resources. It has a daemon, it can detect new mice. It even has a vibe coded logo. Oh, did I already mention that the whole thing is completely vibe coded? Flipped the repo to public in case someone else might find it useful. But I won't go so far and advertise it.

deanc 1mo ago

Never heard of Logitech options, have just had G Hub installed for ages (and had a huge number of problems with it on MacOS when I first got the G502 lightspeed 3y ago).

tancop 1mo ago
Looks like this is for the "Logi" high end office series. They use different software for some reason, I guess Logitech thinks their customers don't want to see anything gaming related in their app because it looks unprofessional.

eXpl0it3r 1mo ago

If the device renderings are fetched from assets.openlogi.org, it's technically not telemetry free, though I guess we can trust the author to not track every call?

robertlutece 1mo ago

I tried it for about a month, but I was having several issues whereby the scroll direction kept inverting, the thumb button not sticking to its program, and smartshift not triggering when scrolling. In the end I regrettably went back to logi options+.

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Peacefulz 1mo ago

Finally. I've been stuck with my onboard selections for a year now due to lack of motivation to deal with windows. Definitely gonna be checking this out.

patrickk 1mo ago

Before clicking, I thought this might be a reverse engineering attempt of the Logitech Harmony series of universal remotes, which have been discontinued but do still work, albeit cloud tethered for updates. There’s still a strong demand for this in the home automation space, if you read forums on the topic. Oh well, hopefully there’s a few more years in my Harmony Hub and Elite.

vulkoingim 1mo ago

For a while now BetterTouchTool [0] supports Logitech mice [1]. It's paid, but it's absolutely worth its price. It's super powerful and you can do all kinds of funky stuff with it, not only mouse related. I would suggest looking into it if you want more advanced features, I've been a very happy user for many years now. [0] https://folivora.ai https://folivora.ai [1] https://docs.folivora.ai/docs/normal-mouse/logitech https://docs.folivora.ai/docs/normal-mouse/logitech

cianmm 1mo ago
I've had a paid licence for it for many years but I have ended up shying away from using it because the UI is just so cumbersome. An incredibly powerful piece of software though.
- vulkoingim 1mo ago
  Get an LLM to generate a preset for what you want - it's ultimately driven by a json config. There are quite a few presets in the forum as well for various functions
  - fifafu 29d ago
    The latest builds also allow you to enable a MCP server with skills that make it easy for LLMs to configure BTT: https://community.folivora.ai/t/can-we-make-btt-easier-for-ai-to-configure-for-us/47586/2 https://community.folivora.ai/t/can-we-make-btt-easier-for-a... Previously this only worked with the built in AI assistant.
- Cockbrand 29d ago
  I haven't tried the LLM approach recommended in the sibling comment, and I agree that the UI is quite cumbersome. Yet, once it clicks, it's still not super straightforward, but it allows for quickly implementing whatever one needs. I guess the UI complexity comes with its extremely powerful capabilities.
HSO 1mo ago
BetterTouchTool is on my list of things to look into for a long time. Was not aware it is even possible to replace the shitty logitech surveillance software. thanks for the tip! Can you give maybe an example of a `funky stuff` for the mouse, like those touchpad gestures? i cant think of any, just to get an idea

zuzululu 1mo ago

justneed this for anker mouse

parasti 1mo ago

The header doesn't fit on mobile. Teach your agent to use Playwright MCP.

frevib 1mo ago

Great effort, thanks for that. But do we still trust the open source software that is created now everything is vibe coded? Recently there was a thread about Chatto [1], a Slack replacement completely vibe coded by one person. It works and looks nice. But looking at the code, I wouldn’t trust any of my personal information to it. It’s just tousands of lines of skills and vague instructions. It seems that trust in OSS is eroding and big SaaS might win here because they have the reputation. [1] https://github.com/chattocorp/chatto https://github.com/chattocorp/chatto

qiine 29d ago
> because they have the reputation. reputation of what? sucking your soul dry?
movedx 1mo ago
Code is simply math. It either works or it does not. Does your calculator work? Then use it. Does your AI agent of choice produce code that works? Then use it. Or don't. It's up to you. You're as free to walk away as you are to embrace what's been made here.
- vccvxvccvvxc 29d ago
  Code is, but running application aren't "math". They have side effects - like uploading your private keys to hostile servers - which "math" conveniently ignores.
- Citizen_Lame 1mo ago
  Not really, something can work and be full of security holes.
- _under_scores_ 1mo ago
  This is a bit of an uncharitable take. "It either works or it does not" is an oversimplification when you consider that code often doesn't work in the way it was intended - that's what bugs are. Are vibe coded apps inherently more buggy? Not necessarily. But the I'd argue there's more surface in a vibe coded app that requires blind trust.

neutrinoliu 1mo ago

life saver. still remember the days when damn options+ update makes all the master 3 broken on the internet.

arajnoha 1mo ago

generic ai landing page = close the tab

girishr 1mo ago

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throwaw12 1mo ago

How comfortable is using mouse in Mac? Sometime ago when I tried using mouse, it felt unnatural in Mac OS. No pinch to zoom, no changing desktops by swiping with multitouch and so on.

ilogik 1mo ago
I much prefer a mouse (I use the MX Vertical) to a trackpad for long periods of time at my desk. Cmd+Scroll for zoom in/out, Ctrl+Left/Right arrows to switch spaces. It's not a fun as the trackpad, but those are things i don't do that often.
thiht 1mo ago
I use the Master MX 3s specifically because of the "gestures" button, it was mandatory for me to replace using the trackpad. It's basically a thumb button you can press and combine with a mouse gesture to do the same thing as finger gestures on the trackpad. I mainly use the gestures left/right (to switch between full screen apps/main dektop) and up (mission control) but it's all configurable. It also has an horizontal scroll wheel that's very useful when using Excel or DB viewers.

RayVR 1mo ago

This is different from the Mouser open source app for Logitech?

mistercheph 1mo ago

cant stop the slop

small_model 1mo ago

Not used a mouse for years, trackpad on 15 MacBook M4 Air is 100x better for my type of work.

Otek 1mo ago
Always this type of guy will spawn in any HN thread > Logitech Mouse software > bUt I dOnT usE mOusE foR yEArs
- small_model 29d ago
  Not allowed an opinion what is this The Soviet Union?
  - layer8 29d ago
    That you haven’t used a mouse for years is (presumably) a fact, not an opinion. But what’s your point in stating that in this thread? Obviously mouse users nowadays are aware that there are people who prefer trackpads.
    - small_model 29d ago
      My opinion is that trackpads are now better than mice, this is a thread about using a mouse and all the software issues it entails. Rather than installing various complex software just use a trackpad that works.
      - layer8 29d ago
        Well, I disagree, I use both and vastly prefer the mouse for most work. And I’d assume that most people using mice nowadays to the point of going the trouble to seeking out configuration software for it have similar preferences. > Rather than installing various complex software just use a trackpad that works. You’re implying that the mouse users in this thread are wrong and misguided. In reality they probably know very well why they prefer using mice.

bkovacev 1mo ago

This is awesome! Thank you so much for great work! I love it, I wasn't even aware of the actions ring! Off-topic - does anyone know if something like this exists for Keychron keyboards?

vermon 1mo ago

I tried to switch to Mouser, but it leaked memory like crazy, taking sometimes tens of GB of RAM so I just vibed a replacement based on my very specific needs. It takes 3.5MB of RAM currently.

fosron 1mo ago
Mouser is so bad at leaking memory i had to go back to Logi Options+ on my Mac...
tucosan 26d ago
Lol. I did exactly the same thing. Small go app. .02 CPU utilization.

Alien1Being 1mo ago

AI;DR (AI; Didn’t Read)

Abishek_Muthian 29d ago

One of the main features of Logi Options + is the plugins which this application doesn't seem to support; you can load it locally or from their marketplace[1]. I myself have an accessibility related plugin to make clicking easier [2] built using their Logi Actions SDK. It finds the clickable elements near the cursor and displays them in the Actions Ring and the LCD keypad. If you have the Logi Dialpad then you can have a complete mouse free workflow with Access Ring. [1] https://marketplace.logi.com/plugins/ https://marketplace.logi.com/plugins/ [2] https://abishekmuthian.com/pages/access-ring/ https://abishekmuthian.com/pages/access-ring/

maxehmookau 29d ago

I've always been a fan of BetterMouse: https://better-mouse.com/ https://better-mouse.com/ Either way, anything that isn't the stock Logitech software is going to be an improvement.

chrisweekly 29d ago
Thanks for the link! I'm finally gonna ditch the garbage Logi+ app.

Copenjin 29d ago

Does something like this exists for the keyboards too? (have one of those in its box due to bad software...)

xlii 29d ago

2 anecdotes about Logitech software: I had a high-end webcam that flickered. There should be switch in the software to switch from 50hz to 60hz that'd fix it but it was nowhere to be found. After digging deeper I found that it was only available in English version of software. It was before macOS had Setting to set language per app, so I had to manually replace Polish bundle with English one through binary. Another one: Has K810 keyboard that started in "FN-by-default" mode. K811, Mac version of said keyboard allowed for changing default setting just as K810 on Windows, but K810 on Mac - no dice. Support told me to shell out 200€ on Mac keyboard so I ended up writing small binary switcher [0] that would run after keyboard got connected [0]. [0]: https://github.com/exlee/k810_fkeys_mac https://github.com/exlee/k810_fkeys_mac

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vanderZwan 29d ago
> I had a high-end webcam that flickered. There should be switch in the software to switch from 50hz to 60hz that'd fix it but it was nowhere to be found. Similar issue, although I'm not sure if it's the Logitech webcam or just how webcams are automatically configured on Linux these days in general: if I use a really bright LED lamp, the automatic exposure time goes down to the point that it doesn't matter if the webcam is set to 50hz or 60hz, it's going to catch flickering from other subtle frequencies affecting light output. I've also had situations where I wanted to use it to film a white piece of paper that I'm writing on, but it automatically adjusts exposure to make it gray instead. It took me forever to find something with a straightforward GUI that lets me manually override this behavior on Linux. I ended up settling for cameractrls. https://github.com/soyersoyer/cameractrls https://github.com/soyersoyer/cameractrls
wowczarek 29d ago
One anecdote about a piece of Logitech hardware: My once top of the range Brio USB 3.0 webcam produces so much high frequency EMI that GNSS receivers in its vicinity completely fail to operate across all bands (1.1 - 1.6 GHz). I had to disconnect it and use it from elsewhere, otherwise my lab dies. I have tens of others USB 3.0 devices that don't do this.

shenruisi 29d ago

I think the discussion about AI-generated content is interesting. While I understand some find it distracting, I'd argue that what matters most is the substance of the project itself. OpenLogi seems to solve a real problem (local-first log management without telemetry), and the website effectively communicates its value proposition quickly. The install instructions are clear, screenshots are provided, and the config format is transparent. These practical aspects matter more than whether the copy was written by a human or assisted by AI. At the end of the day, open source projects benefit from any tool that helps authors communicate their work effectively, especially when English isn't their first language.

KronisLV 29d ago

Slop-ish site but the live diagram is neat!

naruhodo 29d ago

There’s also Piper[1], which I’ve been using for my Logitech G502 wireless gaming mouse. It predates the AI era. [1] https://github.com/libratbag/piper https://github.com/libratbag/piper

pager-anytime-a 29d ago
Last time I checked the underlying daemon, libratbag, didn't have support for the G502X wireless mouse and although there were Issues and Pull Requests open, no movement had been made towards getting those in.
VCFundedGenYer 29d ago
I also use this, but Piper seems to barely work. Any time I try to rebind keys, it usually errors out with something incomprehensible. Their GitHub seems to talk in circles about it, either blaming you (not the correct response) or throwing up their hands.
dimatura 29d ago
Yeah, I've been using this for a long time, works fine.

wannabegeometer 29d ago

i always just used input remapper on linux

heikkilevanto 29d ago

Shocking that in this time and age, a simple peripheral like a mouse still needs a dedicated piece of software to be installed. In my Linux boxes, I just plug in a standard mouse and get the standard functions. I think the device driver should know about the low-level interface to the mouse: know how it points, what buttons, scroll wheels, and other inputs it may have, etc. Then the OS would process it like any mouse. If you need to connect some buttons to specific actions, that could be handled by a user-level program running on the machine that could know how to do those actions. But that level should be far removed from knowing what brand (or type) of input device you are using. Of course producers like Logitech want you to install their own thing, so as to make it harder for you to switch to other brands of hardware, but an open system like Linux should not play along with that.

esperent 29d ago
> In my Linux boxes, I just plug in a standard mouse and get the standard functions. That'll work with Logitech mice too. It's only for all the extra buttons and functions that you need their software.
nashashmi 29d ago
Simple mouses have simple interfaces and its functions are built into the OS. These mouses are a little bit beyond simple. These are ten button interfaces. So there is the default programming. And custom programming. The software is for custom programming. Another alternative is a utility called xmouse.
lnrd 29d ago
Of course the Logitech mouse can be plugged and will just work without installation. The software allows to customize buttons, macros, DPI ranges, lights, etc. Still sucks, but it's not really needed to make it work or use it.
pelagicAustral 29d ago
Not long ago mouses came with a paper manua, a CD with drivers, and if you we're paying top dollar, a desktop application that would let you set defaults for the entire OS for the one or two extra buttons you used to get.

vccvxvccvvxc 29d ago

Just a friendly reminder that input device drivers are among the most security sensitive piece of code you can imagine. Literally everything you do goes through them.

tucosan 26d ago
That's the very reason I vibed my own daemon. I don't want the Logitech binary blob on my system. It needs too many permissions, it's huge, hogs memory and telemetry built in. My vibe coded daemon is just a few hundred LOC of go code I can inspect, modify and trust.

Razengan 29d ago

Fuck I needed this so bad Fuck the clunky bloaty official Logi drivers/apps

krisknez 29d ago

If you’re going to support Linux, at least offer a distro-agnostic format like AppImage instead of only providing a `.deb` package.

herczegzsolt 29d ago

How is this better or different than Solaar?

xinayder 29d ago

Was there any AI used in either the website or the code itself? It looks like a product of AI and not man-made.

sexy_seedbox 29d ago

Keychron just uses a web interface to adjust mouse settings, why does it even need an app?

framapotari 29d ago

Well that was a waste of time. Tried this for my MX 3: - The DPI slider did nothing most of the time, but sometimes the cursor movement changed when clicking a button or switching windows. - No matter what I chose, the scroll wheel was stuck at absolute maximum sensitivity setting scrolling about a thousand lines per ratchet click. There was also no way to disable the "smart" switch to freewheel spinning. - For some reason, tapping the thumb wheel triggered Task View. Tapping the thumb wheel isn't even listed as an interaction so no way to change or disable this. Love the idea of an "open" version of Logi options, but this is just terribly executed. Can't state anything about the code but the bewildering behavior and weird bugs definitely smelled like vibe slop.

jraines 29d ago
Found this app a few days ago and am glad to see this comment just for the task view thing. I don’t really mind the other warts of this except this one which has been driving me nuts. I am not experiencing the scroll sensitivity issue.

api 29d ago

Wait there’s a mouse that requires an account? I’ve been using just Linux and Mac long enough to not know this, and I’m glad.

nk_kolja 29d ago

I was looking forward to uninstalling that forsaken app.

opengears 29d ago

did we audit the codebase already?

ThouYS 29d ago

god bless the vibe

shipman05 29d ago

I wouldn't need custom mouse software at all if Apple didn't stubbornly refuse to allow track pads and mouse wheels to have separate scroll directions. (I could just retrain my brain, but old dogs and all that)

brachkow 29d ago

I like how some hardware brands, Keychron for example, are making it's software browser based via WebUSB – https://launcher.keychron.com/ https://launcher.keychron.com/ You can configure and update your stuff anywhere where modern browsers can run, and have 0 spyware on your computer

asfodelsu 29d ago
And then after some years the website is down and you end with a brock
- Elidrake24 29d ago
  Isn't all of the code in browser rather than serverside, so a simple Command + S would future proof yourself?
- andrewla 29d ago
  It's all client side -- someone (maybe me!) would spin up openkeychron from an old saved copy of the webpage and we'd be back in business in a day. Right now the keychron-hosted solution is fine -- no accounts or anything crazy -- so there's no impetus. EDIT: turns out that my keychron, at least, is compatible with QMK/VIA and there are already open source alternatives [1] that do the job. [1] https://usevia.app https://usevia.app, https://remap-keys.app https://remap-keys.app
- brachkow 25d ago
  Web-based software is easy to extract (singlefile), preserve (webarchive), or even rebuild during its lifespan. Desktop software is way less reliable than you think – I have a few Akai keyboards I can't configure because they don't work on my Mac already, not to mention how hard it was at least finding this executable for more than decade old keyboard.
nemomarx 29d ago
Unfortunately still basically chromium only, but it's a good alternative to downloaded apps yeah.
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scrumper 29d ago

Doesn't work, HID error when adding a device (which is paired with and connected to my computer. Logi Options never installed on this Mac.) Unfortunately the very obvious and quite grating LLM copy in the site and in descriptive text on the app does not make me feel well-disposed towards something that I really want to exist. Consequently, uninstalling. I'm surprised that I feel this way, but I actually trust Logitech more than this low effort thing.

hotelsacher 29d ago

I'm confused. The headline says, “Nothing between your mouse and your machine”, but the diagram has a box called “Agent” connected to the mouse. Is mouse input interpreted by agentic AI?

gh123man 29d ago

Ive been building something very similar to this for Razer devices https://github.com/gh123man/OpenSnek https://github.com/gh123man/OpenSnek Similar to other reverse engineering threads ive seen recently, AI is empowering us to replace crappy vendor software with something better. Also - OpenSnek documents a mostly complete bluetooth spec for the Razer vendor protocol which as far as I know, hasn't been done anywhere else yet!

taoh 29d ago
The hard part with these protocols is usually state, not packet formats. Does the spec cover initialization and feature negotiation across different firmware versions, or is that still inferred from one device’s traces?
- gh123man 29d ago
  Everything is inferred from device traces, and compared against known protocol implementations (ex USB - thanks to the openrazer project) - which AFAIK have remained pretty stable over the years. So far, it's survived a few device firmware updates with no visible breaking changes, but I can't guarantee it always will. https://github.com/openrazer/openrazer https://github.com/openrazer/openrazer
oblio 29d ago
> AI is empowering us to replace crappy vendor software with something better. Speaking of, this probably can't be against any ToS, right? Since the devs using the LLMs don't look at any proprietary code, specs, docs, whatever.
- pmarreck 29d ago
  Yes. You can't patent an ABI and rebuilding against a specification has always been OK. Reimplementing the same logic has not.
frevib 29d ago
> AI is empowering us to replace crappy vendor software with something better Really hope this to be true, but I think companies will go for crappy vendor software than one-man, unvetted, vibe coded software.

jdalgetty 29d ago

I just want to know if this is safe to use or not.

classified 29d ago
I wouldn't trust this vibe slop.

summermusic 29d ago

I was still using an old copy of Options (not Options+). I tried this out, but the mouse gestures seem to not work at all.

ddtaylor 29d ago

> Not affiliated with Logitech. This combined with many other comments about other projects and the massively increased access to vibe coding makes me really excited to see how things change in the next half a decade. I've been involved in FOSS for so many decades now I understand and (mostly) trust the systems in place enough to not get stuck worrying about patch quality and other woes that aren't really specific to LLMs. What I find a lot more interesting is the copyleft and copyright implications of how this works and I've been thinking about it a lot more over the last year. I think we all have and I think it's normal and natural for everyone to conclude that software is going to become highly personalized, similar to how the web experience was changed by extensions and browser customization, but on a grand new scale. What this really means, and what this thread confirms is happening, is that companies no longer have software as a lever for lock in and many other anti-patterns. In the past it would take a team of wizards to unfuck something enough so that other people could continue to use it without being abused. Think adblockers, DRM unlockers, things that enable features vendors disabled when they released a new product, things vendors gave up on because they're cheap or lazy, etc. What would happen in the past is the wizards would dump a few hundreds of hours into doing some magic and then get cease and desist orders to stop doing something people wanted once it became a pain for a copyright, trademark, or patent troll, etc. What will happen now and in the future is people are using their own "bespoke" software. Granny can have her version she likes, with big fonts and maybe it matches to an experience she is more familiar with like a traditional newspaper. Hackers can have their version of something where it's all matrix code flowing down the screen. Other users will fall into different areas of the spectrum and feature axis. Similar to the web extensions we will see an ability to share and cultivate these things, meaning the Grannies, Hackers and other users might see something they like from one another and share it, etc. We'll see how far we get down the road until people get confused at how software can be shared instead of "stolen" from each other. It will be interesting to see how that conversation goes this time around when everyone is using software to circumvent a different layer of software. Put simply, do the people vibe coding different workarounds or UX improvements to a social media site think another user doing the same thing with the same color palette is "stealing" from them? If so then they are doing the same from the social media provider. I'm not a copyleft absolutist. I would say I am a critic of software patents and that the patent system as a whole is not accomplishing much of anything let alone it's original goals. Most of those are moot points now. Regardless of your opinions that genie is out of the bottle and it's not going back in.

pokstad 29d ago

Thank you for this. I built a similar open tool for generic mouse customization on macOS (https://github.com/pokstad/mousechords https://github.com/pokstad/mousechords), but I also needed an open Bolt receiver configuration manager.

ornornor 29d ago

Logitech seems to suck at software. Why do you need an online account to remap your mouse buttons? Same for the harmony 1100 which is a universal remote but can’t ever be programmed again since logitech killed their online server. It had the secret sauce for generating the binary blob to send the device to program it and nobody could figure out how this mess actually works to reimplement it. It seems like the blob wasn’t just parameters but also all sorts of scripts that changed with the config. Needless to say I steer clear of Logitech anything now. It’s joined my blacklist along with Samsung and LG.

MarleTangible 29d ago
They also installed their AI apps to users' computers through their mouse driver without asking anyone.
Jtarii 29d ago
>Why do you need an online account to remap your mouse buttons? Is this a recent thing? I don't recall ever having to make a logitech account to use logitech gaming software.
- vladvasiliu 29d ago
  They ask you to create one if you want to save your settings or something. You don't have to go through with it. But the software does suck big time. The other day it didn't start on my machine because reasons. Had to remove it and reinstall it. Which had to remove my configuration, but whatever. Then, installation somehow went to 101%. But hey, at least it worked.
sleight42 29d ago
JFC! There it is! I need a Logitech-less way to manage my Harmony Hub!!!

hn974izqdv 29d ago

This is quietly excellent

lackoftactics 29d ago

I had so much bad experience with their dedicated app, consuming 1GB of memory being just one of them

pmarreck 29d ago

There's going to be a lot more cool shit like this now that AI can help build anything! This guy just built a preemptively-multitasking OS for the Intel 8088 chip, the one from the original IBM PC, which also features an early Mac-like UI: https://os8088.com/ https://os8088.com/

jeanlucas 29d ago

YES YES YES YES That's perfect

stronglikedan 29d ago

I wonder if this fixes the bug in Logi software that affects copying in Excel. When Logi software is running, and you go to copy something in Excel, there's a 50% chance that it won't make it to your clipboard. Excel shows an error to this effect, and you can still paste within Excel, but not outside of it. Of course, Logi points at MS and MS points at Logi, as to be expected, so it never gets resolved.

agcat 29d ago

This is so cool

rbattula 29d ago

just wanted to say thanks for this, logitech app is terrible. truly infuriating they made such an invasive app just for keyboards and mice

miladyincontrol 29d ago

On the note of logitech's bad mouse practices, I really wish they didnt opt for mere 10M lifecycle switches even in their highest end mice. Basically designed to last the warranty period and not too much longer than that. When my MX Vertical started to have left click issues I certainly preferred to install some much more reliable switches than to buy a new mouse, I cant imagine the average consumer would bother.

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borisgolovnev 29d ago

Glad there are free alternatives now. When I switched to SteerMouse after getting fed up with Logitech I removed everything Logi Options had on my system. It freed almost 6Gb! Granted, most of it were different versions of the app that it was downloading, updating but never deleting the previous ones for some reason. But still, for a mouse driver that's excessive.

logi_critic 29d ago

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cwsx 29d ago

(commenting so I remember to come back to this later) looks like a much better and lighter 'logitech options' app, will try switch to it tomorrow

wodenokoto 29d ago

The github readme says: >Warning >OpenLogi is under active development and not yet stable — features and config may still change. Which seems in stark contrast to how it is presented on the website.

excentricus 29d ago

this is great! i can’t wait to give it a shot. i recently had to stop using logi options, whatever the heck it’s called, because the app doesn’t start on my mac (sequoia). no error, no logs, nothing helpful can be found online. i gave up and started using bettermouse, which i have mixed feelings about. it does the job but the set of controls feels too complicated/overwhelming. i couldn’t find that sweet spot for my pointer speed/precision yet.

shampto3 29d ago
I had this exact experience! Bettermouse has been fine, but the mouse speed seems to be vary wildly across different applications for some reason. I am glad to get off of logi options though. Even before it finally stopped working altogether, it would frequently just stop working and my mouse settings would revert to default behavior.

brailsafe 29d ago

It's still disappointing that they botched the MX Master 4 with a slow polling rate and still stupid high cost. My V3 is getting long in the years but I wouldn't pay more than it originally cost for basically the same hardware nearly a decade later. Still, it's nice to have some alternative software

thedangler 29d ago

Can you do this for the keyboard too lol My biggest gripe is switching one device to use a different computer doesn’t automatically switch the other. The hot spots and keyboard shortcuts never seem to work properly. I’d like to press the computer 2 on my keyboard and the mouse changes too.

buybackoff 29d ago

At least Options+ application works. I tried this one in June with my M720, which I like a lot, and it could not even detect it. Alpha quality at best. As another comment mentioned, the air-gapped download for Options+ is fine. Yes, Options+ is total garbage, and I noticed its autoupdate did not remove previous versions, so I noticed it as a huge multi GB folder. But it works, while OpenLogi does not.

duxup 29d ago

I certainly sympathize that folks love the hardware but more often as I work I want to simplify and just avoid accessories that require anything like this. Having said that very cool project / nice of those folks to do it.

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cassidoo 29d ago

Real talk: is there any way to use this to turn my Logitech MX Master 4 into a wired mouse? I realized way too late that it (seems to be) wireless only and I hate that