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Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

• Mindwipe 7mo ago
  Just fucking revert the UI at this point. It's a disaster on macOS.
• xvxvx 7mo ago
  I’m a Windows guy, but was given a MacBook for my current job. Fair enough. But I laugh at how horrendous such a simple thing as resizing windows is. Want Slack to take up the right third of a screen then fill the rest with browser? In Windows, it takes 2 seconds. Not on Mac. I have to resize the window myself? There’s no auto-snap? I’m sure someone will buzz in with some hidden way to do it. ‘Hold cmd-shft-9 then say these magic words and voila!’ No. Dragging the window with the cursor should suffice. Edit: I’ll also add that having to buy a huge $200+ display adapter so you can connect 2 external monitors to a MacBook, whereas a slimline $30 device will do the same for Windows laptops, is total bullshit.
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  • egypturnash 7mo ago
    Double-clicking the edge or corner of a window (anywhere a double-headed arrow cursor shows up) will resize it to the edge of the screen. Hovering over the green dot in the title bar will bring up some simple window tiling options. https://support.apple.com/guide/macbook-air/manage-windows-on-your-mac-apd2345fc25d/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/macbook-air/manage-windows-o... has more to say on the subject, more recent versions of the OS than I use have added more stuff in this vein, personally I just use Moom and have been for years.
    • metabagel 7mo ago
      Moom looks great! Is there a Mac app which enhances the functionality of desktops/workspaces?
  • thesh4d0w 7mo ago
    I'm also struggling with a macbook for work, but hold your mouse over the green circle in the top left for a few seconds and it'll pop up. (You don't get the nice snapping that windows does though)
    • vesrah 7mo ago
      Holding option while hovering gives you more placement / sizing options too. If you click and drag a top bar to the right or left it'll snap to the right or left half of the screen. Dragging it to the top or double clicking will snap it to full size. Dragging to corners will snap to quarter.
    • lsbussell 7mo ago
      I don’t see options for thirds, though. Even on an UltraWide monitor.
      • universenz 7mo ago
        tHaTs BeCaUsE wE dOn’T SeLL wIdE ScReeN DiSpLaYs YeT! -Apple Genius
  • FireBeyond 7mo ago
    Rectangle Pro. I'm actually agreeing with you. You shouldn't have to resort to third party apps.
  • rv3392 7mo ago
    I've been using Rectangle (https://rectangleapp.com/ https://rectangleapp.com/) for years now. IMO the shortcuts actually make it a massive improvement over Windows.
  • anon7000 7mo ago
    Lots of 3rd party tools to help, like Rectangle or Raycast. And at least the most recent macOS release has auto-snap and tiling features: https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mchlef287e5d/mac https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mchlef287e5d/... There is also this option you can enable to drag windows around when holding a shortcut: https://petar.dev/notes/drag-windows-on-macos/ https://petar.dev/notes/drag-windows-on-macos/
  • behnamoh 7mo ago
    Raycast does it. You need Raycast anyway; spotlight sucks.
  • akersten 7mo ago
    Yeah window management and the desktop experience in general on Mac just feels like I'm dragging my hands through tar. For example, "open two file browsers, navigate to $home in one and $downloads in the other, move and rename a few files between them" is a 10 second task on Windows (Win+E x2, quick clicks on the explorer links, easy to scroll around, move files, drag, rename, anything you want). On Mac I get about 7 system ding sounds and Finder windows bugging off the side of my screen while simultaneously deciding the best way to show downloads in a list is alphabetically and with 256x256 tiled icons. It's just an indescribably bad and slow experience to do any kind of file management on Mac. Another example. Take a screenshot and quickly redact some info with a black box. Easy on windows that I can type it out exactly (win+s, drag box, win key "paint" enter control v box tool save boom). On Mac?? After command shift 4 to take a screenshot I think it's actually physically impossible to edit it within 60 seconds.
    • dagi3d 7mo ago
      you can edit the image with preview any time you want
    • sneak 7mo ago
      > After command shift 4 to take a screenshot I think it's actually physically impossible to edit it within 60 seconds. This is completely incorrect, and the solution is way more discoverable than needing to know obscure things like Win+E. Click the thumbnail that appears in the bottom right, then click the marker icon. > For example, "open two file browsers, navigate to $home in one and $downloads in the other, move and rename a few files between them" is a 10 second task on Windows (Win+E x2, quick clicks on the explorer links, easy to scroll around, move files, drag, rename, anything you want). Similarly, if you know the platform-specific shortcuts, this is less than 10 seconds on macOS. Click finder in dock, hit Command-N twice for new windows, drag each window to one of the L/R edges of the screen to tile, click downloads in the sidebar on one, click the home icon/username in the sidebar on the other.
      • noduerme 7mo ago
        The bottom right thumbnail thing really bugged me and confused me when it came out, because I always just want the screenshot on the desktop right away, as it used to be. I don't know why they couldn't have the delay/thumbnail AND put the file somewhere I could reach it immediately. But IIRC, there is some setting that disables the thumbnail behavior and lets the file be written instantly.
  • jezzamon 7mo ago
    The answer, unfortunately, is to install a 3rd party program. Once you do that, it works well enough
  • cleaning 7mo ago
    The defaults in every OS are set made for power users (i.e. anyone doing more than browsing the web and using office). With Windows you need to remove most of the cruft, Mac is no different; most people are using some combination of Raycast, Rectangle, Alfred, etc...
    • Someone1234 7mo ago
      On Windows you have to change a few settings, on Mac you're suggesting all third-party software to manage core functionality. Apples Vs. oranges. I mean, yes, Windows has PowerToys which is an installed add-on, but on Mac we're not talking about Mac Vs. PowerToys, Mac isn't even competing with basic Windows features. PowerToys is competing with the PAID third-party software for Mac.
      • cleaning 7mo ago
        I don't think this is a meaningful distinction. Most people here likely change more than just a 'few settings' and either download one of the debloat tools or generate an autounattend.xml before installing, and some replace the default search with Everything. Unless you're working in an environment where absolutely no third party tools are allowed, it's expected for someone to spend at least a little bit of time adjusting the workspace to their preferences. Additionally all of the tools I listed technically have paid plans but they're all free to use, I've never paid for Raycast yet even the free features blow out of the water any desktop management/productivity tooling I've used on Windows or Linux.
      • dangus 7mo ago
        We are in this discussion sometimes talking about things that are "missing" from Mac that are actually outdated omissions, no longer accurate. For example, Snap Layouts is now a built-in feature in macOS, but some folks are talking like it's impossible to snap windows in macoS. It's just not as robust/customizable as third-party tools and I think most people who started using the third-party tools should stick to them. We can go the other way around if we cherry-pick in the other direction: PowerToys Peek is a separate install, but Finder has this built-in as the Spacebar shortcut (Quick Look) Preview App: This has been the best free PDF app on the market for decades now and Windows still doesn't have something that compares well in 2026 Spotlight: Still clearly superior to the Windows Search/keyboard-based app launching experience AirDrop: I know, I can't include this because it's a hardware ecosystem feature, but I'm including it anyway because KDE has a better solution than Windows, and I find that totally insane. I use it on Windows, too! Migration Assistant: I realize that Windows PCs have a lot of OEM variation, but I think Microsoft could implement a similar experience if they tried. Backups: I don't really give Apple many points for Time Machine because (1) I don't think many people use it, and (2) I don't think it's really the greatest on its own, but it sure beats what Windows has going on with Windows Backup. Save as PDF: This isn't a problem anymore, but for many years/decades, Apple's built-in support for turning anything that can be printed into a PDF beat out Windows by a longshot, and I remember how I used to need to install third-party tools to accomplish it. Full device encryption: I just think the user experience of Bitlocker is piss poor, while Apple makes this a very smooth experience with a very low chance of screwing up and losing data (so long as you tie your system to your Apple ID to add that as a recovery option). The end result is that most Windows users are running unencrypted, while I imagine most Mac users are encrypted. POSIX utilities: Now, it's not like Apple includes the greatest set of POSIX utilities, and you have to install xCode command line utilities to get many of them, but still, I am not really sure why Microsoft doesn't just port and install many of these utilities natively rather than having you either learn PowerShell, install Git for Windows, or install WSL. I think it is very clear by this point that most people who want to spend time in a terminal in the first place want to be in POSIX-land. They've got cmd.exe, PowerShell.exe, might as well add a third terminal. Perhaps we can even make the argument that 100% of Windows users are going to install a third party text editor as using plain notepad.exe is pretty much insane, while a reasonable amount of Mac users will be 100% happy with vim. Going beyond basic utilities, it's also worth pointing out that Apple has traditionally provided a lot more free software than Windows. iLife and iWork come to mind. Microsoft has somewhat half-heartedly followed suit with apps like ClipChamp. I don't think Microsoft ever shipped anything that came close to the quality of free app you got with GarageBand and iMovie. I also think Microsoft has a lot more platform abandonment that affects Windows device and OS users. If you bought an original iPod and iTunes music, Apple never pulled the rug from under you. Microsoft couldn't decide between PlaysForSure and Zune, and killed both. Same deal with things like TV show and movie purchases. Windows Media Player died, iTunes (Apple Music, not to be confused with Apple Music the service) is still here, still working with original hardware, and still getting updates. Apple just killed iTunes Movies' wishlist and they were nice enough about it to email me the full wishlist so that I could "favorite" them (which isn't 100% analogous but they were nice enough to not leave me high and dry). I think at this point, though, I'm veering a little far off-topic.
  • iamflimflam1 7mo ago
    Sorry to be that guy who buzzes in - I might be missing something, but don't you just mouse over the green button?
  • jazzyjackson 7mo ago
    Also takes 2 seconds... You don't need 3rd party apps like everyone's saying, only if you want tiling or to copy Windows behavior. Press Control-Up Arrow (or swipe up with three or four fingers) to enter Mission Control, drag a window from Mission Control onto the thumbnail of the full-screen app in the Spaces bar, then click the Split View thumbnail. You can also drag an app thumbnail onto another in the Spaces bar. https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/use-apps-in-split-view-mchl4fbe2921/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/use-apps-in-split-v...
    • Someone1234 7mo ago
      I feel like anyone reading that, and thinking that is a reasonable/intuitive design, may be quite far down the rabbit-hole. It reads like a parody.
      • xvxvx 7mo ago
        It’s significantly worse than I even imagined.
        • jazzyjackson 7mo ago
          It's two gestures, a swipe and a click and drag. I'm not even saying Mac is superior here, just that there's a quick way to do full screen splits
          • Someone1234 7mo ago
            So the trick is five hidden things, not presented in the UI. Great!
            • zamalek 7mo ago
              Next Apple will be utilizing 12-finger and faceroll getures.
      • deleted 7mo ago
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  • pram 7mo ago
    This has been built in since Sequoia. It’s literally dragging the window like aero snap. https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/change-window-tiling-settings-on-mac-mchl118087b0/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/change-window-tilin...
    • tom_ 7mo ago
      This does require displays to have separate spaces though!
  • cosmic_cheese 7mo ago
    The mac desktop works on a totally different paradigm than the Windows-like model most other desktops have adopted. It’s built around not managing windows and instead letting them be whatever size fits their content and pile up like papers on a desk, complete with having relevant bits of some windows peek out from underneath other windows. For those it works for, it works really well. For those who came from windows always being maximized or split into a grid, it’s a nightmare. Pretty similar to differences in real world desk styles, actually.
    • ndiddy 7mo ago
      That used to be the case, but in 10.7 they changed the green window button from being "zoom" (snap the window to fit its content) to "fullscreen". They let you change the default behavior back to zoom for a few years but seem to have gotten rid of that setting. You can still access the zoom behavior by option-clicking the green button, but on basically every program I've tried, zoom just means "maximize" like on Windows now. The only exception I've found is Preview, where "zoom" seems to mean "make the window take up most of (but not all of) the screen and scale the image up to some random value". One image I tried got scaled to 146%, another got scaled to 207%. I would think it should mean "scale the image to 100% if it's smaller than the display resolution" but who knows, I don't work at Apple. Edit: Finder still has the correct zoom behavior, it's the only program I've found so far that does.
      • cosmic_cheese 7mo ago
        The behavior of the (now option-clicked) zoom button is actually determined by each individual program. Most stock apps will either fit to content or toggle between the last two recent sizes, but a lot of third party apps (especially those built with foreign UI frameworks) tend to turn it into a maximize button.
        • ndiddy 7mo ago
          It looks like "apps built with foreign UI frameworks" includes all the stuff Apple's written in SwiftUI, as all those apps (Mail, Calendar, Messages, Music, Podcasts, Notes, etc) treat zoom as maximize.
  • undeveloper 7mo ago
    you're not wrong, but for convenience's sake you should probably know that you can hold option and click the green "expand" button to fill the workspace
  • cadamsdotcom 7mo ago
    You should look into the open source macos app Rectangle.
  • wpm 7mo ago
    Lmfao yeah so much worse than the OS you have to run massive Powershell scripts from the internet to turn off all the telemetry, OneDrive, and other various degrees of bullshit. Install Rectangle or anything macOS Sequoia or newer and move on.
  • pjmlp 7mo ago
    Which is one the reasons I keep being a Windows/UNIX/Linux person, and only use Apple hardware when it gets assigned to me on specific project delivery. The stuff with Objective-C and Swift is cool, but not enough to justify fully migrating into Apple land.
• refulgentis 7mo ago
  Many moons ago, I invented* a rule that "you can always make people feel what you want about a #. either use percentages where they don't make sense, or whole numbers when a percentage does" I hear it when I read 7 px -> 6 px means 14%(!!!!) less likely to find the horizontal/vertical only drag area. Fitts's Law is logarithmic, not linear, and at these sizes the dominant factor is whether the target is discoverable at all, not its sub-millimeter width. "14%" smuggles in precision that doesn't exist in the underlying motor reality; it takes an imperceptible physical change and launders it through a ratio with a small denominator to produce a number that feels alarming. You could just as honestly say "we moved the edge by 0.097 mm**" and nobody would blink. * I think? It feels like there'd be prior art on this ** ppi = 262 inch = 1/ppi mm = inch \* 25.4 # 1px ≈ 0.097 mm ≈ 0.004"
  • learn_more 7mo ago
    14% over estimates it because the user isn't clicking with uniform randomness, their clicks are normally distributed about the center of the line.
• Lucasoato 7mo ago
  Steve Jobs is rolling in his grave.
  • Nextgrid 7mo ago
    Attach a generator to him and the AI datacenter energy needs are solved. Even better, the more trash that AI produces the more energy is generated.
    • GaryBluto 7mo ago
      > Even better, the more trash like this that AI produces the more energy is generated. Do you have any "inside knowledge" that this was caused by LLM use or do you just attribute everything you don't like to AI?
      • Nextgrid 7mo ago
        Edited. I'm not strictly saying this was caused by AI, but more of a general point that AI is really good at producing crap work which would make the generator spin faster.
        • pbalau 7mo ago
          This reminds me of The Paperclip Game: https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html
    • pndy 7mo ago
      That will be really hard - socket is at the bottom of Magic Mouse-shaped coffin
  • dham 7mo ago
    Mac has always had horrible window management. Made worse because applications and windows are a separate concept. Used to seem clever but in the world of multiple workspaces it's a terrible decision. Now it's even worse trying to manage multiple llms and projects.
• neodymiumphish 7mo ago
  I’ve tried many apps for window resizing on Mac, and none feel like they’re nearly as good as FancyZones (the PowerToys module for Windows). I don’t want secret squirrel key combos. I don’t want hot corners. I want two things: - Predefined zones à la FancyZones - Tied edges (there’s surely a better term for this) so that I can grab the edge between two apps and have them both resize together (one gets smaller as the other gets bigger). Please someone tell me this exists without a subscription!
  • joedrago 7mo ago
    I think for preexisting solutions, the "best" one is Rectangle Pro, but it isn't free, so maybe that doesn't count. That said, eventually I realized I don't even want the whole "window split" stuff and I'd prefer to just have a few keybinds that throw windows into specific coords on my screens, so I installed Hammerspoon (free) and wrote a screen's worth of Lua to do this for myself. It is written for my two adjacent 1440p monitors and personal preferences, but the code is really obvious so if you're comfortable with making your own bespoke solution, this is pretty nice, and free. * https://www.hammerspoon.org/ https://www.hammerspoon.org/ * https://gist.github.com/joedrago/bfc54f4083b070fe998d519cc6c1ed82 https://gist.github.com/joedrago/bfc54f4083b070fe998d519cc6c...
  • metaltyphoon 7mo ago
    I like powertoys but it’s taking 1.17Gig of space. That should be illegal
    • ganksalot 7mo ago
      There are like two dozen apps inside powertoys...
      • AlexandrB 7mo ago
        Winamp was like 5MB. Starcraft 1 was something like 900MB. None of the two dozen apps are doing anything that should take so much space. It's probably all bloat from various dependencies. People's expectations of software quality have gotten very low.
• _def 7mo ago
  I miss resizing windows with alt+right click
  • matja 7mo ago
    Did macOS support that at some time in the past? I've used Linux as my daily OS for 20 years and got so used to alt-right resize and alt-left drag that the macOS and Windows way of actually needing to move my mouse to the corner or edge of a window feel almost barbaric in comparison. I still have found no way free equivalent on macOS.
    • anorb 7mo ago
      [dead]
• 4b11b4 7mo ago
  Haven't resized a window with a mouse since using aerospace
• learn_more 7mo ago
  >In total the thickness went down from 7 to 6 pixels, which is a 14% decrease, making it 14% more likely to miss it. Pedantic, but chance of miss is actually less than 14% more likely since the user's click location is not uniformly random over the thickness area, it's biased toward the center (normally distributed).
  • dagi3d 7mo ago
    I had similar thought but didn't want to be that guy.
    • deleted 7mo ago
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    • andrei_says_ 7mo ago
      My take is sometimes we get paid to be that guy and precision has its place and value. We get lost when being right is seen as having value - instead of improving clarity and precision if needed in a specific context.
  • montroser 7mo ago
    Yeah, and not to mention the increase in likelihood click events the user intends for the application will make it through successfully, rather than being stolen by the window manager.
  • eviks 7mo ago
    Pedantic, you don't know the distribution, so the chance could be higher
    • odie5533 7mo ago
      The reduction was specifically to the in-window side of the edge, so it's definitely greater than 14%.
      • Nition 7mo ago
• dgxyz 7mo ago
  It's bad when stock Gnome is better. That's where I am now.
  • accrual 7mo ago
    Switched to KDE Plasma last month and very pleased I can have square-corner windows again.
    • dgxyz 7mo ago
      Corners are great aren't they! :)
    • krisknez 7mo ago
      I had a hard time with Gnome but now I got used to it and it's amazing for me. I just can't believe they still haven't implemented scrolling speed setting...
      • jeroenhd 7mo ago
        Gnome had a scroll speed setting but it broke and disappeared somewhere around the switch to Wayland without getting replaced. Gnome says libinput should deal with scroll speed. Libinput says GTK+ should deal with it. Patches have been lying around for both but neither has gained any traction. I like Gnome's DE in general but this issue showcases the rough edges of open source collaboration the Gnome project is infamous for. Even KWin's (original?) implementation of the feature wasn't great and caused issues with applications, apparently: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/merge_requests/4672#note_2164907 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/merge_requests/4672#not... Broken as though it might be, at least they're trying something, which I appreciate more as an end user than the complete lack of scroll settings.
    • EnPissant 7mo ago
      KDE plasma is the best DE that exists right now (once you configure it to mimic gnome 2).
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• urbandw311er 7mo ago
  You have to wonder what’s actually going on under the hood when the curve of the hitbox is different to the curve of the window? I’m very curious to understand how Apple have got to this point.
  • sho_hn 7mo ago
    This is relatively common. The mouse interaction code doesn't necessarily look at the visual asset, and in many UI toolkits the ability to have interaction targets located and sized differently from visual features is a feature.
• MBCook 7mo ago
  Trying to get Liquid Glass to work is such a clown show. Incredible. The UI wasn’t perfect before. It’s slowly been getting worse with each of their dumb updates to make it look more like iOS over the years. What we’re forced to use now is just a joke. Ignoring all the visual design issues they can’t even make basic stuff fully functional.
  • kyralis 7mo ago
    The worst part is that Liquid Glass isn't even good on iOS.
• jasondigitized 7mo ago
  Rectangle Pro for the win
  • retired_account 7mo ago
    Rectangle is a must-have, it’s the very first thing I install after getting brew configured on a new Mac.
• ivanjermakov 7mo ago
  Since the first taste of Linux WMs, I believe the best and only good way of handling window move and resize is super+lmb/rmb respectively. No more pixel-perfect header/corner sniping! https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/qv0vmz/missing_super_right_mouse_click_for_resizing/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/qv0vmz/missing_supe...
  • garciansmith 7mo ago
    Yeah, it was one of those things I noticed when I first started using Linux and wondered why every other OS didn't just copy it.
    • cosmic_cheese 7mo ago
      Probably just simple resistance to use of modifier keys in non-technical users, at least on the Windows side. A lot of users never touch a modifier except for Ctrl for copy/paste and maybe Windows for start menu search. On the Mac side where key combos and modifier use is more widespread among users, it’s probably because there’s no intuitive visual that can be associated with the interaction.
      • hota_mazi 7mo ago
        On Windows, I use AltDrag.
        • tricked 7mo ago
          Altdrag doesn't work with scaling and is missing some other nice to haves, The Altsnap fork of it fixes this. Its one of the first things i install.
      • garciansmith 7mo ago
        Oh, I get having a visual way of doing it with just a mouse for sure. But for power users or even just-a-little-bit-of-knowledge users it's super quick and convenient. When I had to use Windows for work it drove me nuts that the option wasn't there (ended up finding AltDrag thankfully).
• 2bitencryption 7mo ago
  The interesting part, for anyone who actually reads the article - the change was fixed in an RC and then reverted in the final release. Which implies there was some regression, some issue, some incorrect behavior or negative impact. One has to wonder… what could it have been? What could the issue with having a more accurate clickbox for the corner of the window possibly be?
  • anematode 7mo ago
    Maybe it was just an oversight in the merge process? e.g. the diff was applied only to the RC and not to the release branch? idk
  • cardanome 7mo ago
    The AI reverted the change and no one does proper code reviews anymore so it went into prod.
    • adithyassekhar 7mo ago
      Nah then it won't show up in the known issues section. I hope.
  • GuB-42 7mo ago
    It can be some technical detail. For example: imagine you have 2 windows, the lower right corner of one window almost touching the upper right corner of the other, so that the bounding rectangles overlap but the graphics don't. With the inaccurate "false square" corners, you just had to check the bounding rectangles, to know which window to resize, now you have to check the actual graphics (or more likely, a mask). I am not saying it is the problem, but that's the kind of thing that can happen. Or it may be a simple bug, like a crash, memory corruption, an unhandled exception, the usual stuff, but they couldn't fix it in time and it is better to revert instead of leaving the buggy code or pushing an untested fix.
    • blindriver 7mo ago
      Just revert the code back to pre-26! This is ridiculous, it can't possibly be this hard and if it is, it just points to the degradation in the quality of Apple software! This is maddening!
• receperdogan 7mo ago
  finally
• cubefox 7mo ago
  Microsoft Windows has a similar issue. I wonder why nobody is talking about that on HN.
  • AlexandrB 7mo ago
    The Windows UI has been a trashfire since Windows 8. I think the expectation that it sucks has been baked in at this point, though Windows 11 represents an increase in the slope of increasing suck.
    • cubefox 7mo ago
      Only Windows 11 had rounded windows though.
  • veltas 7mo ago
    Not just similar, it's exactly the same issue caused by exactly the same kind of change, and is probably hard to fix for almost exactly the same behind-the-scenes complexity on Windows.
• badc0ffee 7mo ago
  Doesn't the cursor change into a pair of <-> arrows when you hover over the clickable area?
  • akersten 7mo ago
    Only for the currently focused window which is inexplicably weird
    • argsnd 7mo ago
      A lot of the cursor weirdness on macOS comes from the window server owning the cursor and only passing events to active windows.
      • igregoryca 7mo ago
        It's kind of nice, though, because you can click anywhere on a window to focus it. If you want to interact with a background window without focusing it, hold Cmd and click.
        • wpm 7mo ago
          On every app but the System Settings app since it is so busted it takes 5 or 6 clicks before it focuses.
• ggm 7mo ago
  This is a design flub which we are told Jobs simply wouldn't have let out the door. The Jobs who made people shave 50ms off boot times. The Jobs who demanded the no button mouse. I get the cult of Steve is a bit oversold but the proprietor liked to check the finish on the car rolling out the end of the line and if his fingers felt a rough edge on a panel he had no compunction stopping the production line to find the problem. The current generation have a bit too much "fixed in post" going on.
  • staplers 7mo ago
    "Fixed in post" meaning fixed in version XX.00.2 now. Fire QA and use community feedback seems standard now.
  • renato_shira 7mo ago
    [flagged]
• trashcan 7mo ago
  Oh, this is probably related to why I cannot resize "live caption" windows at all on the latest version of MacOS. They have been mucking around with resizing and not testing it well.
• jakub_g 7mo ago
  Since we talk resizing windows, for months I was _sometimes_ unable to resize windows at all, and couldn't figure out why. I thought it was a random bug of macOS. Finally I realized the issue: if a window spans across two displays, it won't resize. Insane! (I have an external monitor up, laptop down, and it's easy to move a window such that it stretches a few pixels from monitor to the laptop. No resize for you!)
  • Forgeties79 7mo ago
    You can turn this off in the settings, forgot exactly where. I actually found after 1-2mo I preferred not being able to haha
  • LeifCarrotson 7mo ago
    Easy to stretch a few pixels? Easier to move windows with super+arrows so they snap perfectly to the monitor borders, and then you'd never have this issue. I rarely drag windows "by hand" (by mouse) anymore!
  • jeroenhd 7mo ago
    Window management isn't macOS' strong suit, but external monitors make it act absolutely crazy. Connecting monitors will do anything from keeping all windows in the same position to restoring previous positions to launching them across screens, sometimes completely outside visible screen space, seemingly arbitrarily. I get why Apple wants you to make every window either a small tile or a full screen application now, their window manager simply can't cope with anything else. Whatever they're doing is somehow worse than both Windows and the major Linux desktop environments. Maybe there's some obscure preference among old school macOS users that like having their windows placed so that only a small corner pokes out of the bottom left when attaching an external monitor?
    • sensanaty 7mo ago
      On the topic of multi monitor messiness, NOTHING gets my blood boiling quite like the taskbar (or whatever it's called, the bottom application drawer) moving between monitors, seemingly arbitrarily Keep your cursor hovered over the bottom of the 2nd monitor? It moves. Want to move it back? I have tried everything I could think of to try get it back, I still to this day after 5 years of being on Mac because work forces it on me cannot see the logic or heuristic it chooses for when to move the fucking dock. I swear it's basically random, and it's a daily occurrence for me that I have to just shake my cursor violently to get the stupid thing to eventually move. The worst part is you can't even disable this dumbass behavior! You can't tell it "Hey, dock should ONLY be on monitor 1", so you just have to live with this anti feature
• AJRF 7mo ago
  Why doesnt apple just hire this guy and fix this?
  • msephton 7mo ago
    Because the problem is much higher than the ability to fix the bug
• j0r0b0 7mo ago
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• nelox 7mo ago
  It is quite possible the proposed improvement was not implemented because it wasn’t good enough. Fingers crossed for the next version.
• UltraSane 7mo ago
  I want a macbook for the insane efficiency of the M5 CPU but I hate the mac GUI.
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• keyle 7mo ago
  What the hell is going on at Apple? Where are the engineers allocated to? Who's driving the bus? Cause it sure ain't Siri either.
  • ed_mercer 7mo ago
    Hardware first, software second
    • asdff 7mo ago
      I wish whoever sacked up and gave the macbook pro its ports again would work for the iphone dept. Me want 3.5mm.
    • pjmlp 7mo ago
      It is more like, Hardware first, software for iDevices second, macOS when time is available.
• kakadu 7mo ago
  I cannot believe we do not have a good arm Linux laptop with a comparable price and battery to a MacBook at this stage. I am forced to use this abomination of an operating system just because. Come on Lenovo, make it happen
  • JadeNB 7mo ago
    Or maybe not Lenovo, I'd like my high-spec Linux laptop to come without a rootkit.
  • shiroiuma 7mo ago
    It's kinda hard because the CPU that makes MacBooks so power-efficient is Apple's own design, not from an external vendor. So Lenovo can't use it, nor can anyone else; they'd have to design their own, or partner with Qualcomm maybe. And we just don't see anyone working on ARM-based laptop CPUs right now unfortunately. It would be nice though.
• blindriver 7mo ago
  How is it not pathetic that Apple can't fix this and bring it back to normal behavior? Who is fighting for this stupid behavior? It's driving me crazy as well.
• aristofun 7mo ago
  I bet some manager came up with a perfectly reasonable explanation why it couldn’t be done in this release ))
• ZPrimed 7mo ago
  well this certainly goes a long way to explaining why i've been fighting with window resize on tahoe :p it's stupidly difficult to grab windows by the flat edges, too
  • thenthenthen 7mo ago
    9 out of 10 times I dont even get the cursor change and I have to ‘guess’ if im in the right spot!
• tlhunter 7mo ago
  What drives me nuts is if I slam my cursor against the right side of the window with the intent to click and drag the scroll bar of a maximized window up and down then the 1px wide window border gets selected and the whole window moves up and down. This has been a bug for several years.
  • Nevermark 7mo ago
    When I select there, if I pull away from the window it resizes and won't drag. If I move the pointer up-down on the right or left side, it moves the window and won't resize. Which seems like a sensible and convenient choice to me. Maybe it isn't working so predictably for you?
    • tlhunter 7mo ago
      It's definitely neither sensible nor convenient. I expect it to trigger the scrollbar, not move the whole window. The only way one should be able to move the window is to drag the title bar. There's no reason clicking and dragging the 1px window border should ever move the whole window. Every Linux window manager, Windows, and IIRC Mac System <= 9 behaves this way.
• ajam1507 7mo ago
  Even without the rounded corners it was more difficult than it needed to be. The corner resize should take up way more of the sides of the window. If my mouse is 90% of the way to the corner, what are the odds that I want to resize the window only horizontally or vertically?
• thenaturalist 7mo ago
  What the.... This is such poor execution on Apple's part.
• userbinator 7mo ago
  What astounds me the most about this whole thing is that the sort of hit testing involved here is a solved problem in UI, and has been for decades, yet there are still plenty of others here and elsewhere arguing about how it isn't. Even with those horrid rounded corners it's not hard, as shown in the article, which makes me wonder whether there is some internal fight between those who didn't want rounded corners (developers?) and hence tried their hardest to make it buggier, and those who wanted them (designers?), with lots of back-and-forth that eventually gave us this outcome. A disturbing amount of time and $$$ was probably spent on it, as is usual for any bureaucracy.
  • robocat 7mo ago
    Mobile Safari has some horrific hit-testing for touches. There's plenty of places where touching near a control incorrectly snaps the tap to the control (sometimes with rather nasty usability consequences). Ideally there should be some way to control the tapzone within CSS. Last time I needed to fix the problem on a page I was responsible for it required adding an HTML element, which was far from ideal. I seem to recall I also had to explicitly add an onclick handler too (registering an onclick handler silently modifies touch behaviour on Safari - a nasty hidden side effect). There's some new badness with stealing taps in iOS26's Safari - ugggh.
    • layer8 7mo ago
      > Ideally there should be some way to control the tapzone within CSS. Please, no. Let’s not have every site react differently to how I tap a control. HTML/CSS/JS already delegate too many aspects to the application that should firmly belong in the realm of browser/OS.
      • robocat 7mo ago
        Developers can control the tapzone already - by using an invisible clickable div and some workarounds. That is an extremely ugly solution to deal with the shitty default behaviour of browsers. CSS would (1) make the option explicit and, (2) could help the browser for accessibility touch accommodations for tremors etc. (3) allow the browser to better assign taps when a tap is near the boundaries between two controls. I'm guessing you don't have expertise in this area. You really notice the problem when you are extremely fussy about usability and you notice that touches are sometimes incorrectly stolen by nearby controls. This is a a problem when controls are closely adjacent (e.g. a search button following an input) or when controls overlap (e.g. a floating button above a textarea). The problem also happens with native controls e.g. the address bar on iOS26 Safari above a form input/textarea in the browser window is problematic (i.e. it is a systematic fault with iOS). Can't really workaround that. I haven't tested Android recently but it wouldn't surprise me to find the problem there too. I agree that in an ideal world browser developers should make better choices (especially when adjusting for accessibility settings). I agree we shouldn't give website developers abusive CSS settings. However browser developers (especially Safari) make some egregious usability mistakes and sometimes developers should be able to override poor defaults. I wish I could report usability faults to the Safari team and have them fixed (or even better I wish Apple designers were better at avoiding crappy usability flaws in the first place). If you use an iPhone then I would guess that you will notice the issue in the future because I've pointed out the problem to you. I hope it doesn't annoy you tooo much.. Edit: Also this is a horrific kind of usability flaw. Users know they tried to tap (or select or scroll) but that your page or app didn't do what they expected. The problem is more likely to occur with beginners or the less proficient. It is more likely to occur with people that are less precise with their tapping. Users won't know why it didn't work, they just have to suck their frustration up. They won't report anything useful to developers. Tooling won't capture the problem. Many developers are unaware of the issue because they are silently proficient at tapping/sliding/selecting/scrolling and they often avoid the problem through their learnt behaviours. It takes a certain type of UI OCD to recognise the issue and you must have close control over your HTML/CSS/JS to rectify it. Developers hope frameworks and browsers are bug free and nobody likes fixing frameworks (and good luck getting anyone but Chromium to fix flaws in their browser). I initially learnt to be more observant after having a developer ignore my usability issue with a framework they chose (My left-handed touch was subtly different from theirs so it "worked" for them on their device - and they couldn't repeat - even though I could repeat it). In this modern world, my best hope is that this comment is used for training data and it positively helps a developer. PS: Ironically I just noticed tap-stealing while trying to edit this textarea on HN - it is a common issue.
• zapzupnz 7mo ago
  Resizing windows is easier when you don't have to grab the corner. Some people are talking about holding a key to resize on Linux but I don't want to be forced to use the keyboard. My favourite solution on macOS is an app called Swish which lets you do trackpad/Magic Mouse gestures to throw windows into corners, along edges, etc.
  • eviks 7mo ago
    Why is keyboard a problem if your left hand is always on it? It's easier to do than a mouse only gesture and easier to remember
    • zapzupnz 7mo ago
      Using a trackpad gesture is just as quick, easier, more spatially natural, and only uses one hand. My left hand is not always on my keyboard. I'm not always typing. I'm not modelling 100% of my computer usage after "how to get RSI the fastest"; sometimes, I allow myself to lean back in my chair and just scroll the web, documents, photos etc. from time to time.
      • eviks 7mo ago
        > Using a trackpad gesture is just as quick Definitely not, many of swish gestures require you to move the mouse cursor to the title bar, which takes time, also holding a key and performing a simpler gesture can’t be slower than performing a more complicated gesture (which it needs to be to deconflict with regular mouse use) Also many gestures have a delay built in so you can cancel or double down for a different functionally (close windows vs close app), so it’s slower by design. > easier It’s harder because you have to memorize more gestures and perform more complicated ones. > more spatially natural That makes no sense, the spatial movements are the same, can you give an example for resizing? > and only uses one hand. Yes, that’s the only potential benefit, unless, of course, your other hand is always near a corner, so it doesn’t matter > I'm not always typing That's fine, you don't need to type to have your left hand rest near the left near corner of the keyboard (it doesn’t even have to rest on the home row since you only need the corner) > I'm not modelling 100% of my computer usage after "how to get RSI the fastest" Well, you're, you've just moved your RSI to your right hand Also hands have same length, so leaning back doesn't prevent leaving one finger on a modifier Anyway, place your hands wherever you like them, it’s just that none of your arguments support it.
• Glyptodon 7mo ago
  Half the time my Mac doesn't show the resize cursor when in regions where it works to resize windows. It's annoying. But not quite the same issue as seen here.
• LastTrain 7mo ago
  I don’t think the problem is resolvable to everyone’s satisfaction, which speaks to the poor decision to make the windows that shape in the first place.
  • xbar 7mo ago
    No, it cannot. But it does not have to be a moment of horror when you realize you might have to resize a window.
  • eviks 7mo ago
    It's easily resolvable - you just need to allow custom forms, then every user can pick one of the 3 most popular forms or tweak them to his unique preferences. Of course, this should also be true for window shape so you can remove the rounded corners
  • latexr 7mo ago
    I’m not sure who (outside of Apple, and perhaps even inside seeing as Alan Dye quit) is satisfied with the extreme round corners we have now. No one asked for that, and it doesn’t provide a single benefit.
• xbar 7mo ago
  Tahoe is the most frustrating daily driver I've endured in decades.
• bibimsz 7mo ago
  Can't you just submit a PR?
• johnhamlin 7mo ago
  Makes my recent decision to ditch osx for Linux with a tiling wm seem all the more fitting
  • zeppelin101 7mo ago
    MacOS has a few decent tiling WMs, too.
• gverrilla 7mo ago
  Hyprland
• tarzan702 7mo ago
  I used it for 2 minutes the other day after the install and immediately noticed this wth
• tarzan702 7mo ago
  I used it for like 5 minutes the other day after install and immediately noticed something was off; thanks!
• eviks 7mo ago
  It's amazing how much effort is wasted adding various OS degradation features (like poorly readable redesign) while bread & butter basics are broken for decades (it's a bad primitive to require pixel-perfect precision for resizing) and even get worse following those design gimmicks like rounded corners (and, of course, custom radii would've helped, but users can't have such powers, Apple knows best)
• matt-attack 7mo ago
  Try moving the spotlight search box. I swear you have to use tweezers to find the razor thing edge.
  • SCUSKU 7mo ago
    I think you can just click anywhere within it and click and drag it
  • loosescrews 7mo ago
    It seems that the Spotlight Search box (from CMD + Space) can be moved by clicking anywhere on it and dragging.
• pcurve 7mo ago
  Screens are getting bigger and bigger, yet they make things smaller and harder to click on. Back in the days when it was common for Macintosh to have 640x480 screens (or even smaller), they still fully visible window controls that were impossible to miss. https://erichelgeson.github.io/blog/2021/03/23/ultimate-system-7.1/ https://erichelgeson.github.io/blog/2021/03/23/ultimate-syst...
  • danw1979 7mo ago
    I’ve been a mac user since 1994, system 7, and it feels to me like the overall Mac user experience and reliability (stability, speed, etc) really peaked with Snow Leopard, 10.6. This probably has a lot to do with the vastly improved hardware design around then - the touchpad specifically on the “blackbook” Core 2 Duo era macbooks was a step change, and they keyboard was pretty great too. Multi-monitor support was fantastic compared to everything else too. You have to wonder what the design principles of pre-X MacOS paired with modern Apple hardware could achieve.
    • MSFT_Edging 7mo ago
      I'm sorry guys, it's my fault. My first mac was a 09 MBP with snow leopard, shortly after they updated and started removing random features and closing down customization. For some reason, you couldn't be trusted with more than one right click method anymore. A solid 15 years later I try macs again, had a nice m3 air at work and bought a personal M4 air. A few months later Tahoe comes out. I bought the thing because modern darkmode macos looked so great and was such a pleasure to use. Now it's full on bubbleboy. Word must have gotten back to Cupertino that I was back in the ecosystem...
    • 1over137 7mo ago
      >...really peaked with Snow Leopard, 10.6. Which was just a couple of years after the iPhone. After the iPhone, the Mac was the new Apple ][, i.e. something they kept around to make some money, but didn't really care about.
  • omnifischer 7mo ago
    > Screens are getting bigger and bigger, yet they make things smaller and harder to click on. Totally true. I have some some UX designers daily driving 4k monitors with 2k resolution to see things clearly!!
• chrisandchris 7mo ago
  So I was thinking 26.3 will be me "my" version of Tahoe. But I'll just leave Tahoe out completly.
  • lylo 7mo ago
    Absolutely. Hoping 27 winds all of this back but maybe we’re waiting until 28, or 29… or maybe this is just how it is forever now.
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• j13n 7mo ago
  You think this is bad? Try using Apple Music with a traditional mouse. You can’t even right click on half of the interface, dragging elements near to scrollable edges doesn’t trigger any scroll, and UI elements like the star on favourited songs just don’t show up. It’s marginally better on a trackpad.
  • sgt 7mo ago
    Tried that now. I have a USB mouse. Can't say I noticed any issues? Scrolling works fine, star works fine... resizing is fine. Using Music.app on 26.0.1
    • j13n 7mo ago
      Try dragging a playlist around in the left-hand sidebar such that scrolling is required. Or scrolling with horizontally where holding down shift is usually required.
  • 1over137 7mo ago
    Apple doesn't sell traditional mice. They don't care about them. Be happy they still work at all.
• thatgerhard 7mo ago
  I don't know what all this fuss is around. I'm not a fanboy and I just use my macbook as a tool.. and the resizing works fine. Is it maybe a mouse thing? I use the touchpad
  • miladyincontrol 7mo ago
    Same, its just been working fine regardless of touchpad or mouse. I genuinely dont get the fuss some have been having with tahoe
• pjmlp 7mo ago
  This is the Apple quality that the premium price is so good to pay for, really how hard must one be into Apple cult.
• tzury 7mo ago
  The updates shipped by apple introducing more bugs every cycle. It is across the board, macos, ios and ipad os. The fact there is a group inside apple, that is capable of standing against common sense and users best interest for so long, tells how wrong things are internally. It is the steve balmer - satya nadella moment of apple. 1. Plugging my laptop to the same desktop screens requires rearranging displays almost every time. 2. Airdrop stops working for no apparent reason. 3. Copy paste across devices no longer a stable mechanism. 4. The stupid new preview app crashing if you scroll pdf pages too fast. And on and on. Those are all newly introduced critical bugs i have been facing since that flameboyant liquid glass virus took over. Apple is a sillicon valley pioneer from the generation of hewlett packard (before it was called HP) bell labs and others. Watching a decay at its beginning is mind boggling and tragic.
  • debesyla 7mo ago
    Also MacOS completely crashes if you have ethernet cable connected and decide to also turn on the WiFi. No "hey, choose whatever you wish" or "hey, disconnect from ethernet first" errors, just complete crash to reboot, lol.
    • dingdingdang 7mo ago
      I abandoned MacOS back in 2018 since I found it too quirky and poweruser-unfriendly (the main thing that comes to mind is neatly indicated by todays other MacOS related frontpage article on resizing). Now we can add overt instability to the list.
    • 1718627440 7mo ago
      Honestly, why should you choose something? I regularly use both. Also multiple WiFi chips are quite handy.
    • russelg 7mo ago
      I'll chime in and say personally I do this all the time and have never experienced a system crash from this.
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• bwoodward 7mo ago
  it isnt perfect, but with BetterTouchTool you can toggle resizing -- e.g. three finger double tap on a trackpad, move your cursor around to resize, double tap again to exit the mode. I use Yabai, which is pretty good -- and you don't have to completely disable SIP. For moving windows around (floating if using Yabai), I just hold HYPER and move my cursor around (Start Moving Windows). Release HYPER and it stops.
• trippsydrippsy 7mo ago
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• 5350-uiop-1130 7mo ago
  macos went from quirky-functional to performative-dysfunctional in line with society
• janaagaard 7mo ago
  > In total the thickness went down from 7 to 6 pixels, which is a 14% decrease, making it 14% more likely to miss it. But also a 14% higher chance that you won't hit it by accident. This is not a situation where bigger is simply better. If the thickness was 50 pixels, that would make it pretty much impossible to not resize the windows. I am one of those who believe that there are still people at Apple who care deeply about user interfaces. Given the amount of attention paid to the regions for resizing by dragging the corner, I actually assume that they also took a second look a dragging the edges, and concluded that 6 pixels was better than 7.
• rezonant 7mo ago
  It turns out the reason they reverted is likely regressions as noted here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46999858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46999858
  • alin23 7mo ago
    Damn, so this is the thing that caused all the floating windows to become unclickable and impossible to interact with... I'm the creator of the apps from https://lowtechguys.com/ https://lowtechguys.com/ and I was replying to 10-15 support emails per day, all week, because of this. It's a bit scary to see that the software we rely on every day is such a complex behemoth that even a seemingly small change can have so large repercussions. The problem is that AI only helps add even more complexity since it's so simple to just add more code now that we don't have to write it.
    • layer8 7mo ago
      It feels like Apple has gone deeper and deeper into tech debt over at least the past decade, to the point where I see little prospect of their software reaching former quality levels again.
• w4rh4wk5 7mo ago
  So, there's still no option to adjust the corner radius?
  • silverwind 7mo ago
    Nope, hardcoded deep in the OS internals.
    • w4rh4wk5 7mo ago
      Guess changing it is considered an edge-case.
• zombot 7mo ago
  > And in fact, the release notes have also been updated: the problem went from a “Resolved Issue” to a “Known Issue”. So they finally admit that they are unable to solve a ridiculously trivial problem of their own making. This is a farce. Apple has managed to lose the last remnants of respect and good will on my part. And I cannot trust a platform that is so blatantly mismanaged.
• amarvashishth 7mo ago
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• imprisonedmind 7mo ago
  This is a perfect example of why I use raycast & their window management shortcuts: alm - Almost Maximise window tf - Toggle Full-screen lh - Left Half rh - Right Half https://www.raycast.com/core-features/window-management https://www.raycast.com/core-features/window-management
• marliechiller 7mo ago
  I have never vibed with macOS's seemingly default mode of floating windows layered over one another like scattered paper on a desk (mimicking a desktop I suppose). Instead ive been using https://github.com/nikitabobko/AeroSpace https://github.com/nikitabobko/AeroSpace for the past couple of years and just flicking around via hotkeys. Not perfect but much less friction for my use cases
  • iainmerrick 7mo ago
    As a long-time Mac user, I'm comfortable with this UI style, but I do recognise that it's weirdly inefficient. It's very strange that this is the UI that won out in the 80s (to the extent that Windows became a massive hit in the 90s, anyway). A tiling UI would have been much easier to implement! But the original Mac had overlapping windows with pixel-perfect drop shadows. It's a bit nuts when you think about it.
    • skydhash 7mo ago
      I actually like it, but only when you have virtual desktops. But the MacOS implementation, Spaces, is not great. It clashes with their window management model (you switch between applications, then you can switch between windows). There's no way to restrict the switcher to applications that have windows in the current space. Floating works great when you can filter the current set of windows using virtual desktops. And when the switcher follow suits. My issue with tiling is that it works great on laptop, but on bigger screens, it sends things to the far side when splitting.
  • puttycat 7mo ago
    Agree + I highly recommend Rectangle or Rectangle Pro for the same reasons.
• insin 7mo ago
  Easy Move+Resize and Carry On https://github.com/dmarcotte/easy-move-resize https://github.com/dmarcotte/easy-move-resize
• anthk 7mo ago
  For XFCE users, the old themes still work: xfwm4-themes-4.10.0.tar https://archive.xfce.org/src/art/xfwm4-themes/ https://archive.xfce.org/src/art/xfwm4-themes/
• self_awareness 7mo ago
  KDE window management is current peak. I'm really baffeled the same mistakes and errors are being made over and over again in both Windows and macOS. Just use KDE approach and it's done. It's really disappointing that new OS versions are being marketed by a new look, which is not new at all, just rehashed look that was in use years ago but thrown away.
• jll29 7mo ago
  As thrilled as I was when seeing the first round window on X11's xeyes, it is not a good use of developers' time and compute resources to deal with rounded corners. The reduction of UX quality that goes along with the lesser space for grabbing a window's corner are unacceptable for me. There are few recent innovations in UX, and many regressions. One thing that I appreciate is the "split window" in Chromium instead of adding yet another tab.
• Zufriedenheit 7mo ago
  One way to fix this would be to decrease the corner radius again with the additional benefit of looking better and more efficient use of space /s
• swiftcoder 7mo ago
  The other incredibly annoying glitch in here, is that the resize cursor is only shown for foreground windows - but background windows are still resizable (despite the missing cursor) if you happen to drag their edges...
• 4ggr0 7mo ago
  i encourage everyone here to try a tiling window manager like i3/sway on Linux to experience a snappy way to manage window (sizes). on MacOS i will never not use something like rectangle, the out-of-the-box experience on MacOS has always been dogshit in my opinion, it just screams for a third-party software to do the heavy lifting.
• tambourine_man 7mo ago
  How Apple allowed itself to get into this mess is a fascinating and not investigated enough question, IMO. Same for Intel. What is it that lets companies which are leaders in a particular field for decades suddenly unable to do the basics.
  • bigyabai 7mo ago
    Intel's demise is fairly well-understood; their CPU designs were fine, but the DUV Intel-fabbed silicon was not. Their recalcitrance towards EULV nodes meant that they were never going to remain competitive for the market segment they appealed to. Apple's failure to improve the Mac seems pretty straightforward looking at their profit breakdowns. The Mac really is not ever their priority.
    • tambourine_man 7mo ago
      > but the DUV Intel-fabbed silicon was not. Sure, but why? Why the company that was on the fab forefront for decades and participated in EUV research was reluctant to bet on it? > Apple's failure to improve the Mac seems pretty straightforward looking at their profit breakdowns. The Mac really is not ever their priority. iOS very much is and it's a disaster as well.
  • zamalek 7mo ago
    Intel very recently seems to be making progress thanks to what the previous CEO kicked off. People are comparing Panther Lake to M1 (but we'll see when it is in reviewers' hands).
• impish9208 7mo ago
  I’ve so far resisted using HN for tech support, but I’ll jump on the macOS hate bandwagon. My MBP M1 Max with 32 GB RAM has become near-unusable with Tahoe. Trying to switch users? Frozen. Click on something? Beachballs. There’s visible stutter and hangs in the lock screen animations. I hate it so much.
  • Terretta 7mo ago
    This doesn't sound like a tech support question. Sounds like stepping up to the mic at an emotional support group: "Am I the only one?" Well no, this group is your people and you're speaking to the choir.
  • SSLy 7mo ago
    Instal Sequoia~~~ you probably can squeeze two OSes on same APFS container even.
  • renmillar 7mo ago
    I'm running Tahoe on an M1 Air with 16GB RAM and it's been smooth for me. Might be worth trying a fresh OS install? Something seems off with your setup.
    • mhuffman 7mo ago
      >Might be worth trying a fresh OS install? Very "Windows-y", no?
      • 1over137 7mo ago
        Yup. That's where macOS is now.
        • renmillar 7mo ago
          It really isn’t like that for me though. The bugs are consistently there regardless of how old the OS install is. I don’t get more when I haven’t done a fresh install in a couple years.
• olivierestsage 7mo ago
  It really has gotten to the point where Linux offers the best option for a sane desktop experience. Watching Windows and macOS implode while KDE and Gnome slowly get better and better has really been something. Not quite at the point I'd recommend them for grandma and grandpa, but not that far off, either.
  • kreco 7mo ago
    In all fairness I wouldn't recommend macOS to my grandparent either.
  • kilroy123 7mo ago
    I think you can absolutely set up a Linux box for grandma / grandpa.
    • Loudergood 7mo ago
      Anyone who lives in the browser really. My mom and my kids all are on Ubuntu these days.
      • horsawlarway 7mo ago
        Anyone who lived in a browser was fine a decade ago. At this point... it's basically anyone who doesn't want to play competitive mp games with poorly implemented anti-cheat, or who doesn't have niche legacy hardware (ex - inverters, CNCs, oscopes, etc). Steam tackling the gaming side of things has basically unlocked the entire Windows consumer software ecosystem for linux. It's incredibly easy to spin up windows only applications with nothing but GUI only software on most distros at this point. Crazy how much better a system with a modern linux kernel and Gnome or KDE is than Windows 11. I'm at the point where I also prefer it to macOS... which is funny since I think Gnome was basically playing "copy apple" for a bit there 5 years ago, but now has really just become the simpler, easier to use DE.
  • edoloughlin 7mo ago
    I set up Elementary OS for my 79 yr old mother. No issues.
• philipallstar 7mo ago
  The Apple hiring process maybe needs even more tests to find an engineer who can just fix this sensibly. That must be it.
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• 1970-01-01 7mo ago
  This is exactly the type of issue Steve Jobs would notice and then you're fired. The UI is the main event. If you can't get it right you don't work on it ever again.
  • pmdr 7mo ago
    Well Cook's Apple is mostly about money coming in, so as long as that's happening he's not obsessing over quality.
    • lenerdenator 7mo ago
      All they have to do is make a better UX than Google and Microsoft. As it turns out, that particular bar is at the bottom of the Challenger Deep, so they treat it as such. Money spent on making sure your UX passes basic muster is money not given to a series of retirement and pension funds that make up the bulk of shareholders for companies like Apple. What do you want more: decent UX, or the Smiths to be able to sell their house and swing on - and off - the course at some golf-based retirement village in Florida?
    • meffmadd 7mo ago
      Here is what I don’t get tho: you have UX designers/engineers creating a new interface. What do you tell them? Just to do whatever? They probably spent months designing the new interface but why not fix this? They must have seen it is unusable…
• lunias 7mo ago
  I wish all OSes just came with a reasonable TWM.
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• NoSalt 7mo ago
  Let's just go back to Macintosh OS 9 ... I LOVED OS 9!
  • bsimpson 7mo ago
    How was that distinct from 8? I thought 9 was just 8 running in a VM on X.
    • NoSalt 7mo ago
      I have no idea ... it's just that 9 is the last, non OS X, Apple OS I used. It very well could look just like 8, which I also love. Actually, given the state of UI these days, I would go so far as saying that I love Apple Macintosh OS 1.x through 9.x. I miss the heady days of "old school" computing and the wild west of the nascent internet.
• cptskippy 7mo ago
  Were the wrong graphics used in the two examples shown? I overlayed them in Paint (yeah that's right Windows), and aside from the numbers in the top left they appear identical. * Nevermind... Firefox wasn't showing the animation on the first one so all I was seeing was the first frame.
• atkailash 7mo ago
  This is why I swear by Rectangle. Lots of options for snapping them and keeping windows nice and organized.
• mherrmann 7mo ago
  I switched from macOS to Linux ten years ago and haven't looked back. At the time, I compared Linux vs. macOS to living at home vs. in a hotel [1]. Since then, I feel things have only gotten better for Linux, and more restrictive and arcane on macOS. 1: https://fman.io/blog/home-and-hotel/ https://fman.io/blog/home-and-hotel/
• varispeed 7mo ago
  Can you imagine the heavenly feeling of sociopathic project manager when they can ship feature that will mildly annoy millions of people?
• silvershell 7mo ago
  With Tahoe, I've been occasionally having this glitch that when I click on a icon, it doesn't bring back the window that's open... even after multiple clicks.
• ctbeiser 7mo ago
  I have a guess as to why this fix was delayed—on the release candidate, you weren't able to resize windows in Stickies. I filed a bug for it. This felt like a last-minute addition—the previous betas didn't have the 'fix.' Let's think about why: if the width of the handle is based on the radius, and the radius is 0 for a window, there's nowhere for the grab handle to be. I assume this wasn't the only app with fully square windows, and so the fix actually caused more problems. Respinning a release candidate is expensive, and they were out of time for this one. So the patch gets reverted and the fix gets iterated on for the next release, where they'll presumably figure something clean out that's conditional on exact window shape. 26.4 could be the spring hardware release or it could be the spring services release. I would give it a 2/3 chance of landing in 26.4, and a 1/3 of being moved to 26.5.
• andig 7mo ago
  MacOS has severely deteriorated over time. It's handling of windows in general, on multiple screens particularly and new windows and even dialogs opening _behind_ the active application is awesome.
• kashnote 7mo ago
  I know this is overkill for almost everyone but for those interested in a tiling window manager, take a look at AeroSpace [0]. No more dragging around windows or manually resizing them - just hotkeys. Took me a while to get used to it but can't live without it now. 0: https://github.com/nikitabobko/AeroSpace https://github.com/nikitabobko/AeroSpace