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Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

248 points by Lermatroid 2y ago

lyapustin 2y ago
It would be nice to have commit message generation feature.
noloblo 2y ago
Is it electron or rust?
- jmccarthy 2y ago
  0:01.39 /Applications/Trae.app/Contents/MacOS/Electron
- rumblefrog 2y ago
  It appears to be a VSCode fork, and supports VSC marketplace extensions, so I would guess Electron
  - noloblo 2y ago
    Hard to look at slower editors after sublime speed and hyper speed from zed rust
    - meowface 2y ago
      I've tried Zed and Ghostty and I just don't really get the speed thing. Typing latency is extremely unnoticeable in VS Code/Cursor and other Electron apps for me.
      - noloblo 2y ago
        What's Ghostty
        meowface 2y ago
        A new terminal emulator popular on HN that advertises its minimal typing latency.
      - nurumaik 2y ago
        For me it's very noticeable. Typing, invoking lsp actions, opening terminal panel, switching between files. Everything feels much much faster. Switched to zed several months ago and never looked back
    - Alifatisk 2y ago
      You can't compare Zed with Vscode and it's cousins. I've used Zed myself and it is still very lacking, limited extensions. Zed only has syntax highlighting and an ai assistant, but that's it. Even though Vscode (and the rest) is still also considered a text editor and not a IDE, they have by far way more features. Sure, you get super duper high speed, but at what cost?
      - noloblo 2y ago
        Fair point are there rust or cpp based ides in parity with vs code to compare?
        Alifatisk 2y ago
        Not that I know of, I understand the need for performant IDEs but does it really matter that much which language it is written in?
      - kstrauser 2y ago
        Zed has good LSP support for lots of languages. It’s not only syntax highlighting and AI.
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ElectroNomad 2y ago
How is it different from Cursor? Just another AI wrapper around VS Code smh
- Alifatisk 2y ago
  It's free. Cursor costs after 50 requests, even Windsurf is cheaper.
echelon 2y ago
China is taking every venture-funded AI startup and shitting on them. Almost all of them. Tencent's Hunyuan 3D - Tripo, etc. Tencent's Hunyuan Video - Sora, Runway, Pika, etc. ByteDance's Trae - Cursor, etc. DeepSeek R1 - GPT, etc. Unitree - Figure, Tesla, Boston Dynamics, etc. And a ton of this stuff is completely open source. All of the Tencent stuff is. This destroys the moat of so many companies that have spent hundreds of millions of dollars training and building their tech. It's just out there for free for anyone to build with. And has anyone been checking the volume of Chinese AI research papers? Almost every impactful paper I've read in the last month has mostly Chinese names. And a lot of those papers come with code. Usually permissively licensed. China is absolutely killing at the AI game. They've fast followed (or in many cases led) into a position of strength. I wouldn't want to be RunwayML, Pika, Luma, or Tripo right now. Any "foundation model" company with a single use case is getting cloned and commoditized. edit: Please don't downvote me because you don't like the message. I'm actually fine with you shooting the messenger, but this is absolutely worth talking about. It's pretty surreal to watch this all start to unfold over the last quarter or so. I want to read what others think about it.
- whatever1 2y ago
  Slightly relevant but they are also in the game of commercial mathematical optimization solvers and this year they reached parity with the sota American ones (ibm cplex, gurobi, Fico Xpress). It is that bad that all the American companies withrew from the public benchmark library. You can only see there Chinese commercial solvers and open source ones. https://plato.asu.edu/bench.html https://plato.asu.edu/bench.html
  - coalteddy 2y ago
    Any blogs or other writing about this topic you can recommend? I worked with gurobi in the past but haven't been keeping up with the trends and performance gains. Love this field of CS!
  - adamsiem 2y ago
    What are the solvers?
mring33621 2y ago
What LLM provider(s) is it talking to?
- handfuloflight 2y ago
  According to the Discord, Claude 3.5 Sonnet and OpenAI GPT-4o. Also according to the Discord, "SPRING (SG) PTE. LTD. or one of its affiliates" is fully subsidizing the costs. This doesn't look like a bring your own keys type of deal.
  - segmondy 2y ago
    If it's truly talking to OpenAI or Claude, then the traffic can be intercepted and redirected to your own AI router for other cloud AI providers or your local Ollama instance.
    - handfuloflight 2y ago
      Assuming there's no middleware transformations integral to how the IDE works.
verdverm 2y ago
Trae and Cursor have both certainly embraced the Kelsey Hightower take on "no code" platforms https://github.com/kelseyhightower/nocode https://github.com/kelseyhightower/nocode https://github.com/getcursor/cursor https://github.com/getcursor/cursor https://github.com/Trae-AI/Trae https://github.com/Trae-AI/Trae
- timdorr 2y ago
  Even better is nothing at all: https://github.com/timdorr/- https://github.com/timdorr/- Not even a commit: https://github.com/timdorr/-/commit/9e5a571abd3fc4f8714e8c401076e10338e0bdce https://github.com/timdorr/-/commit/9e5a571abd3fc4f8714e8c40...
  - verdverm 2y ago
    Is that not a commit hash in the link? This is what a commit-less repo looks like on GH: https://github.com/verdverm/_ https://github.com/verdverm/_ Unfortunately they don't show the description "starting repository for any language and project" (a play on the _ (any) token in CUE)
DoctorOW 2y ago
I feel like this would've been better as a VSCode extension. Copilot, Q, Gemini, all were able to take this approach. Also, VSCode isn't considered a full IDE and adding some AI features isn't enough to change that. It seems like they forked VS Code just for the ability to say they "created an IDE" in the same way other projects fork Chromium to "build a browser".
- antoniuschan99 2y ago
  Bytedance is signalling it wants to compete against vscode for ide marketshare. Wondering if it is a fork of vscode though because right now it will be competing against cursor.
  - verdverm 2y ago
    It looks to be a fork, as other comments and the license list seem to indicate
- ed 2y ago
  Nah the extension API is pretty limited. Copilot uses proprietary API’s not available to extensions. If you really want an integrated experience, and not just a sidebar UI, you need to go the same route as Cursor and fork Code-OSS (the MIT-licensed part of VS Code, analogous to Chromium for Chrome)
  - ThePyCoder 2y ago
    What about Continue? It's an open source, bring your own api AI integration for vscode. It does everything that copilot does, including the editing-your-code-in-front-of-you diff style editor. I don't think it has any special api access?
- tushgaurav 2y ago
  No, I don't think that's possible, VSCode's extension API is pretty limited. This is the reason that we have cursor as a separate application.
atulvi 2y ago
Another vscode wrapper
- Alifatisk 2y ago
  How many do we have now? 3? Cursor, Windsurf and now Trae.
  - moderation 2y ago
    YCombinator has funded an additional 4 VS Code forks: - Void - Melty - Pear - Aide
    - Alifatisk 2y ago
      What a time to be alive!
jofzar 2y ago
Who would ever allow this in their organisation after the tiktok shutdown, just go for one of the other 17 ai IDE forks
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- smrtinsert 2y ago
  This is the real issue.
- cedws 2y ago
  TikTok was shut down because of clueless bureaucrats and political games, not because of any specific threat. If there was a real risk posed by China why are they idly allowing millions of people to migrate to Xiaohongshu, which is even more strongly controlled by China?
  - Aloisius 2y ago
    What bureaucrats? It was banned because of a law passed by Congress. Representatives aren't bureaucrats.
    - ioulaum 2y ago
      It was always BS though. AOC did an interview where she explains (what should be obvious to anyone), that US Gov had no proof whatsoever beyond trying to point at that Chinese law (much like Section 702 in the US), that makes TikTok seem risky. Except that TikTok isn't legally a Chinese company, and isn't really under their jurisdiction. Chinese companies like to be under the control of the Chinese government no more than big American companies like to be overly exposed to the US... Thus Apple being based in Ireland and keeping most of their profit outside of the US.
      - nikkwong 2y ago
        Absolutely and verifiably false, again! There are numerous data points that prove that the CCP exploits the TikTok algorithm to influence western views towards a pro-eastern bend. See my comment history for references. The close-doored national intelligence briefing that the senate got about the way the CCP manipulates the algorithm and on how TikTok is a national security threat resulted in a 100-0 vote in favor of banning TikTok. When do you get 100% of the senate to agree upon anything, ever? TikTok was a threat, and will remain a threat until it’s divested from or shut down.
swozey 2y ago
I can't imagine getting an engineering job at an engineering company and asking them if I'd be allowed to create an opensource IDE that would never be a sold product. I can barely even get allowed time to write SRE tooling to improve our own engineers lives. Some C-levels newphew into computers and need a school project or something?
- markus_zhang 2y ago
  Bytedance created all internal tools by themselves. Personally I'd definitely love to join such a company if I'm in that tooling team. Whether they are being used by outsiders is irrelevant because I already bagged the skills.
  - swozey 2y ago
    Eh, I make tooling for a living. It sucks to have nobody using your tools even if they were fun to make. You spend months/years putting something out there that you think will really benefit a company/team/foss and it goes nowhere. It's like painting a painting you love and it getting thrown in an attic.
    - markus_zhang 2y ago
      I get what you said, but I'm not in a tooling team so I have a different perspective :)
toprerules 2y ago
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, because every time I try to use AI for any of my projects - including the "better" Anthropic and OpenAI models, I get terribly written, buggy code that has nothing to do with the domain or question. Unless I'm feeding it actual softball, single function questions it adds almost no value to my dev cycle. Mind you, all of this terrible code also costs a ton in tokens. It's sad because I have seen some truly remarkable progress in LLMs, but I feel like we aren't allowed to be honest anymore that LLMs aren't going to replace programmers or moderate our expectations.
- jkingsman 2y ago
  I think it's part art of prompting, and part problem scope -- they're not gonna get you a super polished final product without a LOT of support (yet), but they excel at rapid I-don't-care-what-the-code-looks-like-just-get-me-an-interactive-prototype work, and at solving specific problems (e.g. the function should do THIS, write it and write me a test suite). However, there are some agentic IDEs like Windsurf that are working to have LLMs orchestrate their own work. Well supported with a rock solid test suite, I've seen some people do pretty incredible things with them. The more a codebase provides tools for LLMs to live of the land in terms of tests and comments, the more aggressive you can be with what you ask them to do. I've built a couple pretty simple apps that have been basically no code beyond tweaks for me. I do think a big knowledge gap is the acceleration of prompting by knowing how to talk about code. LLMs show a lot of difference in response between "make the top bit stay on the screen on small screens" and "make the <th> element sticky for viewports <600px".
- virgildotcodes 2y ago
  It’s a tool with limited functionality. I think over time you vaguely learn the shape of its limits and work with what it can do, and it becomes genuinely useful. Doing basic stuff with a very limited scope that’s likely well documented all over the internet, great. Boilerplate, tedious yet simple things, works awesome as enhanced autocomplete. More complex stuff, give it a shot, maybe you’ll get lucky, otherwise if it starts fucking up I’ve had the most success just taking a step back and doing it myself, maybe chatting with it as a live docs substitute, or a realtime stack overflow/discord programming channel which are also sometimes of dubious quality but frequently useful. The misery really lies in getting stuck in that cycle of it just messing up over and over as you try to get it to make this thing work that is clearly beyond its scope and it’s just turning everything into a greater and greater mess of hallucinated bullshit.
thomasfromcdnjs 2y ago
Awesome work. Sidenote: That marketing video was nauseating, it was moving too fast and didn't show any features for long enough or for enough steps.
softirq 2y ago
Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection. We're truly building walls everywhere.
- dartos 2y ago
  Don’t worry. There’s literally nothing an llm can write or tell you that you can’t write yourself or find in a manual somewhere.
  - ryang2718 2y ago
    Although, tbf, some libraries are documented better than others. Also, local llms with an agentic tool can be a lot of fun to quickly prototype things. Quality can be hit or miss. Hopefully the work trickles down to local models long-term.
    - guappa 2y ago
      And you think an llm can generate code to use an undocumented library? :D
      - andsoitis 2y ago
        If there are open source projects that use said library, then probably yes.
        guappa 2y ago
        Unless they are not hosted on github, then no :D
      - 3D30497420 2y ago
        Even documented libraries can be a struggle, especially if they are not particularly popular. I'm doing a project with WiFi/LoRa/MQTT on an ESP32. The WiFi code was fairly decent, but the MQTT and especially LoRa library code was nearly useless.
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impulser_ 2y ago
Bro the West is getting cooked by China right now. We might be fucked. Everything that has been coming out of China is better than anything our mega trillion dollar corporation are producing and they are doing with with sanctions on the best GPUs. I don't work in big tech, why are they so bad with sigifically more money and more advanced technology? Google had a decade and a half head start and they can't even produce a model that is as good and as cheap as Deepseek building with no compute compared to Google. I have been using Trae and VS Code with Copilot is laughable compare too it despite using the same models. So we can't even prompt LLMs as good as they do and they don't even speak English as a first language LMFAO. We might be fucked and this is just the beginning. Maybe time to learn code should be time to learn Chinese.
- opwieurposiu 2y ago
  My kids are in elementary school that Chinese language in the morning and English in the afternoon. Only problem is now I have no idea what they are talking about half the time.
  - wood_spirit 2y ago
    Which Chinese language do they learn?
    - opwieurposiu 2y ago
      Mandarin with the Simplified Characters (4 Tone Mainland Style)
- tnt128 2y ago
  Haven’t tried Trae. Is it objectively better than cursor? I felt this statement might be premature. US is still leading in software and AI space.
  - impulser_ 2y ago
    The chat UX is definitely better than Cursor. It less janky and I like that it wait until generation is done before asking you if you want to apply the suggested the changes instead of loading them into your file right after like cursor does. Also you can apply at cursor which is nice for snippets. The Builder tool is probably the best feature of Trae. It builds React UIs better than any tool even v0 which is built for building React UIs. It very good at recreating UI from image even better than using the model directly which I'm not too sure how... Code completion is probably closer to copilot than cursor so it depends on how hardcore you like your AI code completion. So Cursor might be better especially for repetitive refactoring. The overall design and feel of Trae is better the VS Code and Cursor, but I'm a big fan of JetBrains and it feel a lot like a JetBrains IDE.
giancarlostoro 2y ago
Reminds me of JetBrains AI, I think I'll stick to JetBrains solution for the time being. I'm not super crazy on AI coding solutions, but the JetBrains flavor hits a sweet spot for me, built-in and does what I usually need it to do.
- krashidov 2y ago
  Has it gotten better? I tried it out early and it was unusable
  - surfingdino 2y ago
    Still unusable. I had to disable it.
  - dygd 2y ago
    Compared to plugin like Sourcegraph Cody with Claude 3.5 Sonnet, Jetbrain's is still atrocious.
    - lackjeeb 2y ago
      is it worth it to buy sourcegraph cody pro ($108/year) for claude 3.5 sonnet + "advanced contextual awareness and code intelligence", even though trae provides claude 3.5 sonnet for free now?
  - joshstrange 2y ago
    Same here, I need to try it again but Copilot+Aider cover my needs right now. I would like LLM completion in my commit messages which Copilot doesn't have but JetBrains AI does IIRC. I really want JetBrains AI to get better, I think they are supposed to be adding Claude support this month? Or already did?
  - giancarlostoro 2y ago
    It is definitely quirky, but I am able to use it mainly to scaffold things, and to ask it to refactor things. I only use it for personal projects so far where its no biggie if it doesn't work out, or to ask it about stack traces. I've also blankly asked it if there's any issues with the current code, and found errors before I try to build / run a project.
spondyl 2y ago
I know it's a marketing site so the speed is for the sake of the demo but the various animations showing a cursor scrolling past reams of text quicker than any human can scan, and just blindly hitting Accept makes for weird optics.
- userbinator 2y ago
  The message is, unfortunately, clearly quantity-over-quality.
msoad 2y ago
Can someone please do some security research on this to see what it sends when it calls home? I'm terrified to install a binary like that
- mixmastamyk 2y ago
  These things will never be completely safe, from version to version, to new management. As Darth Vader one said, "I am altering the deal."
  - throwup238 2y ago
    Pray I do not AIter it any further.
    - gunian 2y ago
      In this world Darth Vader wins and we get hunted like dogs for thought crime :)
      - throwup238 2y ago
        Sounds familiar! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalhead_(Black_Mirror) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalhead_(Black_Mirror)
        gunian 2y ago
        lol was hoping for ssuicide booths from futurama instead of black mirror :)
        throwup238 2y ago
        Just wait until OpenAi releases their Santa.
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darthrupert 2y ago
In an optimal world, what llms provide us is what vast libraries should have already 2 decades ago. But I guess instead of writing great libraries to avoid repeating ourselves, we drop all code to a lake monster which eats it and spits out answers.
Aeolun 2y ago
Isn’t this just Cursor but worse?
- tushgaurav 2y ago
  It's surprisingly very good. The AI responses are very good, and it's free to use. They don't charge anything for claude-3.5-sonnet. I also love its UI even though they totally copied JetBrains Fleet's UI.
  - gkbrk 2y ago
    > They don't charge anything for claude-3.5-sonnet Makes you think about how they're extracting value from you to make up for this. I rack up non-significant amounts when using Claude 3.5 Sonnet for coding. Considering the data they siphon from their other "free" apps, I don't want to think about what this does on developer machines with code bases and production access.
halamadrid 2y ago
My personal experience has been that very basic stuff like converting an object to another shape or creating a simple validation function or things like that has been super effective with AI. I've gotten so lazy that I try and prompt it to exactly what I want instead of even editing a bit. But the moment it gets a little less basic, its a different story. I absolutely hate the experience. So I love it and I hate it at the same time. Is it going to replace me? I don't feel like its there yet. And this has been the case for a while now. There is just too much money and people invested in this that its hard to say anything negative about it. Nearly every VC has rebranded their websites around an AI-driven future. And, to be fair, it’s not a fad—it genuinely works well for many things. But for now, I’m still skeptical about how far it can really go.
thekevan 2y ago
There's no way I am using a Chinese IDE with VSCode (w/ Coppilot) and Cursor existing after reading the privacy issues in the court documents with TikTok. Bytedance had some extremely overreaching expectations of data it wanted. That being said, I am using (Chinese) Deepseek r1 because there isn't currently a free LLM on par with it. I am careful with what I share though, a little more so than with any others that are not locally fun.
- ryang2718 2y ago
  How have you found R1? I've been meaning to try it with Aider's Architect mode. Have you tried the 7b?
- ioulaum 2y ago
  I doubt that this sends back tons of data. Early TikTok was basically a standard Chinese startup in terms of how they collected data to optimize the app... It's not because they cared about what "you" are doing. The Chinese tech ecosystem is just more competitive than the US one. Most social media companies have been careless with data until they got public backlash though... TikTok's systems are probably more secure today than anyone else's... Because of the backlash.
  - nikkwong 2y ago
    Absolutely and verifiably false. WeChat became so important to the CCPs surveillance interests that it was essentially nationalized; and other apps that grow to its scale basically suffer the same fate. The only reason that hasn’t happened overtly to TikTok is because it’s an international product, so instead the nationalization happens discretely.
    - gunian 2y ago
      You don't hear about the other side because people like me usually get murdered in cold blood there is no difference but for you to believe that is a singularity like me being treated like a human :)
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ioulaum 2y ago
Apparently the target market for this is supposed to be "Chinese coders living abroad". Thus it supporting English and Chinese languages. And it may be a competitive step taken after Alibaba launched their new coding assistant.
- nurumaik 2y ago
  Isn't any modern llm inherently multilingual?
  - homebrewer 2y ago
    Not really, there' a world of difference between how every model I've tried¹ handles English vs my own native language². It's especially noticeable with smaller models, which produce coherent English, but completely break down in other languages: spewing out incorrect grammar, mixing words from other languages where they make zero sense, etc. ¹: which is dozens of them at this point, open and not. ²: with lots of speakers and training data.
    - gunian 2y ago
      Would finetuning fix this? If they are statstical parrots it would seem like it wouldn't
      - ioulaum 2y ago
        Probably tough to fix small models with fine-tuning... You'd likely need to train them with enough data from languages (and maybe translations between them) that they need to support, so that they can connect ideas in different languages properly. Separately, the fact that they can translate between languages where they have never seen any translation data in their inputs shows that they have internal models of the world and language, that go beyond what one might expect from a statistical parrot. They do have world understanding - perhaps limited some by the fact that their input data may not cover a lot of everyday things.
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TiredOfLife 2y ago
No Windows or Linux versions. The Chinese are Rich.
RamblingCTO 2y ago
I've been toying with roo-code (cline fork) and it's fun. Before you give out your data to china maybe consider that or continue.
entropyneur 2y ago
It's hard enough to avoid Chinese electronics, I'm not about to start using Chinese software.
- jbverschoor 2y ago
  You should be running any dev stuff in a VM / Container anyway because of all the supply chain attacks / typo malware
debugpro 2y ago
I wrote a Tetris game with it, but there’s a bug where the blocks suddenly disappear while falling. I haven’t been able to fix the bug, and I’m not sure if it’s an issue with the IDE or Sonnet. The experience isn’t very good.
doix 2y ago
I see many comments about not using this because China/ByteDance stealing data, etc. I get it for for enterprise, you don't want your code leaking to the outside world, even if in my experience, the code is mostly garbage and not worth that much. But if it's for some personal project that you're putting on Github, does it matter? If my code is going on Github anyway, it's going to get slurped up regardless. I don't particularly care if it gets processed by Cursor or ByteDance before it gets scraped.
- littlestymaar 2y ago
  I'm glad people care about their personal data, I just wished they cared as much when talking about ChatGPT, because in reality if you're not a Chinese dissident living abroad, then OpenAI is much more dangerous to you than the CCP.
  - jay-barronville 2y ago
    > […] in reality if you're not a Chinese dissident living abroad, then OpenAI is much more dangerous to you than the CCP. Correct. I laugh a little every time I hear some folks immediately push the “Big Bad China is just trying to steal our data” narrative. My immediate reaction is, “Grab some tea and let’s sit down real quick, so I can tell you what some of our companies right here in America and our government do with our data.”
    - kstrauser 2y ago
      It’s legal to be opposed to both, you know. At least OpenAI is in my legal jurisdiction.
      - descendant 2y ago
        Agreed. I get that both might have the same level of access to my data but if I was staying in USA, I would be much more okay with my data getting in the hands of an organization which is within the jurisdiction of the democratic country I live in. Also, given the global political scenario, China is considered a competitor/enemy due to opposite ideologies (not my personal opinion) so the choice is obvious. However, whether USA is/will stay a democracy for long is a longer debate.
kleiba 2y ago
I've lost track: what are the current sota alternatives that I can run locally? What's the preferred IDE that integrates AI nicely?
- thejocker6 2y ago
  VSCode with the continue plugin. Might work with VSCodium as well, but haven't tried it yet.
pasc1878 2y ago
Interesting that the macOS download is Intel and not Apple Silicon
_ink_ 2y ago
So how is it different from: https://www.marscode.com/ https://www.marscode.com/ ? Also, anybody knows a decent IDE where AI is a first class citizen? So far my experience with plugins is, that they have too little context to be actually useful.
- epaga 2y ago
  Cursor has been absolutely game-changing for me, especially its Composer Agent mode.
  - _ink_ 2y ago
    Looks great indeed. Unfortunately without local LLM support it's a nogo for my company. :(
Sharon_Q 2y ago
Why do Chinese Internet companies tend to monopolize the market with free strategies?
pogue 2y ago
This post got political almost instantly. Unfortunate, but expected in today's client, I suppose. Regardless, what is this exactly?
- jm547ster 2y ago
  Seems to have been heavily downvoted also, it's flown off the front page. Times have changes for HN. Also double standard when it comes to the like of Deepseek r1 earlier this week :shrug:
chvid 2y ago
I took it for a spin and it looks great - a great way of playing with a LLM. Sure some of the elements are in IntelliJ, Copilot, or maybe Cursor (which I haven't tried) but it is all very well put together. Recommended. (But of course it would be nice to be able to run it against a local model which doesn't seem possible at the moment.)
BonoboIO 2y ago
Pair programming with your invisible Chinese coworkers, you don’t even know you have.
powerapple 2y ago
Where does it say it is done by ByteDance? I would definitely use it it is really done by ByteDance... Couldn't find any information of ByteDance on the page though.
humanlity 2y ago
So tired of such news
csomar 2y ago
A disappointment as this is yet another wrapper around VSCode. It doesn't change/re-invent the current paradigms of writing code. Effort would have been much better spent on getting AI auto-complete "merged" with LSP. But who is listening? Pretty much everyone these days think they can plug an LLM and have their life issues sorted out.
icar 2y ago
Please, please, stop the AI IDEs...
- plun9 2y ago
  Why?
Alifatisk 2y ago
When will it be released to homebrew?
meiraleal 2y ago
A developers tool not available for Linux?
- lostmsu 2y ago
  From the top 4 here https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology#1-integrated-development-environment https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology#1-integrated... only 2 are: - vs code - vs - IntelliJ IDEA - Notepad++
ilikegreen 2y ago
Very unrelated, but: I run Linux on an older Thinkpad and I appreciate fast websites. This is a very well-designed website! It loads fast and it scrolls quite quickly. Does anybody feel the same? I feel like nobody touched upon this, but it's always very nice to feel interfaces are responsive.
- matheusd 2y ago
  Interesting, I have the exact polar opposite perception. I accessed this through a Qubes AppVM (no GPU, limited memory and CPU budget) and the presence of videos makes this a very slow scrolling experience for me. In general, anything that involves JS/CSS animation/blur/effects makes sites pretty slow (up to unusable for me). The unlogged homepage for github.com for example, spins my cpu at 100%.
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khantsithu 2y ago
this is nice, i love chinese free products haha
1317 2y ago
ah, so that's what they were scraping my git host for!
serverlessmania 2y ago
claude-sonnet for free! How?
- itsafarqueue 2y ago
  By handing over all your proprietary code. Read the terms.
miah_ 2y ago
No
codr7 2y ago
The last thing I need, truly. If I ever have a need for buggy crap code, any random boot camp dev can write it for no money at all.
poki89 2y ago
It looks like a lot of Chinese companies have started open sourcing.
bitdoze 2y ago
It’s free right now. For my use case worked and I like the interface. Will give it a try and see if AI features are better than ZED ones. Made a video here: https://youtu.be/5QOsVgumDiE https://youtu.be/5QOsVgumDiE
dmix 2y ago
"AI features not available in Canada"
orange_puff 2y ago
I am enjoying Trae so far, but was wondering if it is possible to point it at a local model. https://docs.trae.ai/docs/open-source-software-notice?_lang=en https://docs.trae.ai/docs/open-source-software-notice?_lang=... I am not seeing any mention of this in the docs

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lyapustin 2y ago

It would be nice to have commit message generation feature.

noloblo 2y ago

Is it electron or rust?

jmccarthy 2y ago
0:01.39 /Applications/Trae.app/Contents/MacOS/Electron
rumblefrog 2y ago
It appears to be a VSCode fork, and supports VSC marketplace extensions, so I would guess Electron
- noloblo 2y ago
  Hard to look at slower editors after sublime speed and hyper speed from zed rust
  - meowface 2y ago
    I've tried Zed and Ghostty and I just don't really get the speed thing. Typing latency is extremely unnoticeable in VS Code/Cursor and other Electron apps for me.
    - noloblo 2y ago
      What's Ghostty
      - meowface 2y ago
        A new terminal emulator popular on HN that advertises its minimal typing latency.
    - nurumaik 2y ago
      For me it's very noticeable. Typing, invoking lsp actions, opening terminal panel, switching between files. Everything feels much much faster. Switched to zed several months ago and never looked back
  - Alifatisk 2y ago
    You can't compare Zed with Vscode and it's cousins. I've used Zed myself and it is still very lacking, limited extensions. Zed only has syntax highlighting and an ai assistant, but that's it. Even though Vscode (and the rest) is still also considered a text editor and not a IDE, they have by far way more features. Sure, you get super duper high speed, but at what cost?
    - noloblo 2y ago
      Fair point are there rust or cpp based ides in parity with vs code to compare?
      - Alifatisk 2y ago
        Not that I know of, I understand the need for performant IDEs but does it really matter that much which language it is written in?
    - kstrauser 2y ago
      Zed has good LSP support for lots of languages. It’s not only syntax highlighting and AI.

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ElectroNomad 2y ago

How is it different from Cursor? Just another AI wrapper around VS Code smh

Alifatisk 2y ago
It's free. Cursor costs after 50 requests, even Windsurf is cheaper.

echelon 2y ago

China is taking every venture-funded AI startup and shitting on them. Almost all of them. Tencent's Hunyuan 3D - Tripo, etc. Tencent's Hunyuan Video - Sora, Runway, Pika, etc. ByteDance's Trae - Cursor, etc. DeepSeek R1 - GPT, etc. Unitree - Figure, Tesla, Boston Dynamics, etc. And a ton of this stuff is completely open source. All of the Tencent stuff is. This destroys the moat of so many companies that have spent hundreds of millions of dollars training and building their tech. It's just out there for free for anyone to build with. And has anyone been checking the volume of Chinese AI research papers? Almost every impactful paper I've read in the last month has mostly Chinese names. And a lot of those papers come with code. Usually permissively licensed. China is absolutely killing at the AI game. They've fast followed (or in many cases led) into a position of strength. I wouldn't want to be RunwayML, Pika, Luma, or Tripo right now. Any "foundation model" company with a single use case is getting cloned and commoditized. edit: Please don't downvote me because you don't like the message. I'm actually fine with you shooting the messenger, but this is absolutely worth talking about. It's pretty surreal to watch this all start to unfold over the last quarter or so. I want to read what others think about it.

whatever1 2y ago
Slightly relevant but they are also in the game of commercial mathematical optimization solvers and this year they reached parity with the sota American ones (ibm cplex, gurobi, Fico Xpress). It is that bad that all the American companies withrew from the public benchmark library. You can only see there Chinese commercial solvers and open source ones. https://plato.asu.edu/bench.html https://plato.asu.edu/bench.html
- coalteddy 2y ago
  Any blogs or other writing about this topic you can recommend? I worked with gurobi in the past but haven't been keeping up with the trends and performance gains. Love this field of CS!
- adamsiem 2y ago
  What are the solvers?

mring33621 2y ago

What LLM provider(s) is it talking to?

handfuloflight 2y ago
According to the Discord, Claude 3.5 Sonnet and OpenAI GPT-4o. Also according to the Discord, "SPRING (SG) PTE. LTD. or one of its affiliates" is fully subsidizing the costs. This doesn't look like a bring your own keys type of deal.
- segmondy 2y ago
  If it's truly talking to OpenAI or Claude, then the traffic can be intercepted and redirected to your own AI router for other cloud AI providers or your local Ollama instance.
  - handfuloflight 2y ago
    Assuming there's no middleware transformations integral to how the IDE works.

verdverm 2y ago

Trae and Cursor have both certainly embraced the Kelsey Hightower take on "no code" platforms https://github.com/kelseyhightower/nocode https://github.com/kelseyhightower/nocode https://github.com/getcursor/cursor https://github.com/getcursor/cursor https://github.com/Trae-AI/Trae https://github.com/Trae-AI/Trae

timdorr 2y ago
Even better is nothing at all: https://github.com/timdorr/- https://github.com/timdorr/- Not even a commit: https://github.com/timdorr/-/commit/9e5a571abd3fc4f8714e8c401076e10338e0bdce https://github.com/timdorr/-/commit/9e5a571abd3fc4f8714e8c40...
- verdverm 2y ago
  Is that not a commit hash in the link? This is what a commit-less repo looks like on GH: https://github.com/verdverm/_ https://github.com/verdverm/_ Unfortunately they don't show the description "starting repository for any language and project" (a play on the _ (any) token in CUE)

DoctorOW 2y ago

I feel like this would've been better as a VSCode extension. Copilot, Q, Gemini, all were able to take this approach. Also, VSCode isn't considered a full IDE and adding some AI features isn't enough to change that. It seems like they forked VS Code just for the ability to say they "created an IDE" in the same way other projects fork Chromium to "build a browser".

antoniuschan99 2y ago
Bytedance is signalling it wants to compete against vscode for ide marketshare. Wondering if it is a fork of vscode though because right now it will be competing against cursor.
- verdverm 2y ago
  It looks to be a fork, as other comments and the license list seem to indicate
ed 2y ago
Nah the extension API is pretty limited. Copilot uses proprietary API’s not available to extensions. If you really want an integrated experience, and not just a sidebar UI, you need to go the same route as Cursor and fork Code-OSS (the MIT-licensed part of VS Code, analogous to Chromium for Chrome)
- ThePyCoder 2y ago
  What about Continue? It's an open source, bring your own api AI integration for vscode. It does everything that copilot does, including the editing-your-code-in-front-of-you diff style editor. I don't think it has any special api access?
tushgaurav 2y ago
No, I don't think that's possible, VSCode's extension API is pretty limited. This is the reason that we have cursor as a separate application.

atulvi 2y ago

Another vscode wrapper

Alifatisk 2y ago
How many do we have now? 3? Cursor, Windsurf and now Trae.
- moderation 2y ago
  YCombinator has funded an additional 4 VS Code forks: - Void - Melty - Pear - Aide
  - Alifatisk 2y ago
    What a time to be alive!

jofzar 2y ago

Who would ever allow this in their organisation after the tiktok shutdown, just go for one of the other 17 ai IDE forks

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smrtinsert 2y ago
This is the real issue.
cedws 2y ago
TikTok was shut down because of clueless bureaucrats and political games, not because of any specific threat. If there was a real risk posed by China why are they idly allowing millions of people to migrate to Xiaohongshu, which is even more strongly controlled by China?
- Aloisius 2y ago
  What bureaucrats? It was banned because of a law passed by Congress. Representatives aren't bureaucrats.
  - ioulaum 2y ago
    It was always BS though. AOC did an interview where she explains (what should be obvious to anyone), that US Gov had no proof whatsoever beyond trying to point at that Chinese law (much like Section 702 in the US), that makes TikTok seem risky. Except that TikTok isn't legally a Chinese company, and isn't really under their jurisdiction. Chinese companies like to be under the control of the Chinese government no more than big American companies like to be overly exposed to the US... Thus Apple being based in Ireland and keeping most of their profit outside of the US.
    - nikkwong 2y ago
      Absolutely and verifiably false, again! There are numerous data points that prove that the CCP exploits the TikTok algorithm to influence western views towards a pro-eastern bend. See my comment history for references. The close-doored national intelligence briefing that the senate got about the way the CCP manipulates the algorithm and on how TikTok is a national security threat resulted in a 100-0 vote in favor of banning TikTok. When do you get 100% of the senate to agree upon anything, ever? TikTok was a threat, and will remain a threat until it’s divested from or shut down.

swozey 2y ago

I can't imagine getting an engineering job at an engineering company and asking them if I'd be allowed to create an opensource IDE that would never be a sold product. I can barely even get allowed time to write SRE tooling to improve our own engineers lives. Some C-levels newphew into computers and need a school project or something?

markus_zhang 2y ago
Bytedance created all internal tools by themselves. Personally I'd definitely love to join such a company if I'm in that tooling team. Whether they are being used by outsiders is irrelevant because I already bagged the skills.
- swozey 2y ago
  Eh, I make tooling for a living. It sucks to have nobody using your tools even if they were fun to make. You spend months/years putting something out there that you think will really benefit a company/team/foss and it goes nowhere. It's like painting a painting you love and it getting thrown in an attic.
  - markus_zhang 2y ago
    I get what you said, but I'm not in a tooling team so I have a different perspective :)

toprerules 2y ago

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, because every time I try to use AI for any of my projects - including the "better" Anthropic and OpenAI models, I get terribly written, buggy code that has nothing to do with the domain or question. Unless I'm feeding it actual softball, single function questions it adds almost no value to my dev cycle. Mind you, all of this terrible code also costs a ton in tokens. It's sad because I have seen some truly remarkable progress in LLMs, but I feel like we aren't allowed to be honest anymore that LLMs aren't going to replace programmers or moderate our expectations.

jkingsman 2y ago
I think it's part art of prompting, and part problem scope -- they're not gonna get you a super polished final product without a LOT of support (yet), but they excel at rapid I-don't-care-what-the-code-looks-like-just-get-me-an-interactive-prototype work, and at solving specific problems (e.g. the function should do THIS, write it and write me a test suite). However, there are some agentic IDEs like Windsurf that are working to have LLMs orchestrate their own work. Well supported with a rock solid test suite, I've seen some people do pretty incredible things with them. The more a codebase provides tools for LLMs to live of the land in terms of tests and comments, the more aggressive you can be with what you ask them to do. I've built a couple pretty simple apps that have been basically no code beyond tweaks for me. I do think a big knowledge gap is the acceleration of prompting by knowing how to talk about code. LLMs show a lot of difference in response between "make the top bit stay on the screen on small screens" and "make the <th> element sticky for viewports <600px".
virgildotcodes 2y ago
It’s a tool with limited functionality. I think over time you vaguely learn the shape of its limits and work with what it can do, and it becomes genuinely useful. Doing basic stuff with a very limited scope that’s likely well documented all over the internet, great. Boilerplate, tedious yet simple things, works awesome as enhanced autocomplete. More complex stuff, give it a shot, maybe you’ll get lucky, otherwise if it starts fucking up I’ve had the most success just taking a step back and doing it myself, maybe chatting with it as a live docs substitute, or a realtime stack overflow/discord programming channel which are also sometimes of dubious quality but frequently useful. The misery really lies in getting stuck in that cycle of it just messing up over and over as you try to get it to make this thing work that is clearly beyond its scope and it’s just turning everything into a greater and greater mess of hallucinated bullshit.

thomasfromcdnjs 2y ago

Awesome work. Sidenote: That marketing video was nauseating, it was moving too fast and didn't show any features for long enough or for enough steps.

softirq 2y ago

Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection. We're truly building walls everywhere.

dartos 2y ago
Don’t worry. There’s literally nothing an llm can write or tell you that you can’t write yourself or find in a manual somewhere.
- ryang2718 2y ago
  Although, tbf, some libraries are documented better than others. Also, local llms with an agentic tool can be a lot of fun to quickly prototype things. Quality can be hit or miss. Hopefully the work trickles down to local models long-term.
  - guappa 2y ago
    And you think an llm can generate code to use an undocumented library? :D
    - andsoitis 2y ago
      If there are open source projects that use said library, then probably yes.
      - guappa 2y ago
        Unless they are not hosted on github, then no :D
    - 3D30497420 2y ago
      Even documented libraries can be a struggle, especially if they are not particularly popular. I'm doing a project with WiFi/LoRa/MQTT on an ESP32. The WiFi code was fairly decent, but the MQTT and especially LoRa library code was nearly useless.

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impulser_ 2y ago

Bro the West is getting cooked by China right now. We might be fucked. Everything that has been coming out of China is better than anything our mega trillion dollar corporation are producing and they are doing with with sanctions on the best GPUs. I don't work in big tech, why are they so bad with sigifically more money and more advanced technology? Google had a decade and a half head start and they can't even produce a model that is as good and as cheap as Deepseek building with no compute compared to Google. I have been using Trae and VS Code with Copilot is laughable compare too it despite using the same models. So we can't even prompt LLMs as good as they do and they don't even speak English as a first language LMFAO. We might be fucked and this is just the beginning. Maybe time to learn code should be time to learn Chinese.

opwieurposiu 2y ago
My kids are in elementary school that Chinese language in the morning and English in the afternoon. Only problem is now I have no idea what they are talking about half the time.
- wood_spirit 2y ago
  Which Chinese language do they learn?
  - opwieurposiu 2y ago
    Mandarin with the Simplified Characters (4 Tone Mainland Style)
tnt128 2y ago
Haven’t tried Trae. Is it objectively better than cursor? I felt this statement might be premature. US is still leading in software and AI space.
- impulser_ 2y ago
  The chat UX is definitely better than Cursor. It less janky and I like that it wait until generation is done before asking you if you want to apply the suggested the changes instead of loading them into your file right after like cursor does. Also you can apply at cursor which is nice for snippets. The Builder tool is probably the best feature of Trae. It builds React UIs better than any tool even v0 which is built for building React UIs. It very good at recreating UI from image even better than using the model directly which I'm not too sure how... Code completion is probably closer to copilot than cursor so it depends on how hardcore you like your AI code completion. So Cursor might be better especially for repetitive refactoring. The overall design and feel of Trae is better the VS Code and Cursor, but I'm a big fan of JetBrains and it feel a lot like a JetBrains IDE.

giancarlostoro 2y ago

Reminds me of JetBrains AI, I think I'll stick to JetBrains solution for the time being. I'm not super crazy on AI coding solutions, but the JetBrains flavor hits a sweet spot for me, built-in and does what I usually need it to do.

krashidov 2y ago
Has it gotten better? I tried it out early and it was unusable
- surfingdino 2y ago
  Still unusable. I had to disable it.
- dygd 2y ago
  Compared to plugin like Sourcegraph Cody with Claude 3.5 Sonnet, Jetbrain's is still atrocious.
  - lackjeeb 2y ago
    is it worth it to buy sourcegraph cody pro ($108/year) for claude 3.5 sonnet + "advanced contextual awareness and code intelligence", even though trae provides claude 3.5 sonnet for free now?
- joshstrange 2y ago
  Same here, I need to try it again but Copilot+Aider cover my needs right now. I would like LLM completion in my commit messages which Copilot doesn't have but JetBrains AI does IIRC. I really want JetBrains AI to get better, I think they are supposed to be adding Claude support this month? Or already did?
- giancarlostoro 2y ago
  It is definitely quirky, but I am able to use it mainly to scaffold things, and to ask it to refactor things. I only use it for personal projects so far where its no biggie if it doesn't work out, or to ask it about stack traces. I've also blankly asked it if there's any issues with the current code, and found errors before I try to build / run a project.

spondyl 2y ago

I know it's a marketing site so the speed is for the sake of the demo but the various animations showing a cursor scrolling past reams of text quicker than any human can scan, and just blindly hitting Accept makes for weird optics.

userbinator 2y ago
The message is, unfortunately, clearly quantity-over-quality.

msoad 2y ago

Can someone please do some security research on this to see what it sends when it calls home? I'm terrified to install a binary like that

mixmastamyk 2y ago
These things will never be completely safe, from version to version, to new management. As Darth Vader one said, "I am altering the deal."
- throwup238 2y ago
  Pray I do not AIter it any further.
  - gunian 2y ago
    In this world Darth Vader wins and we get hunted like dogs for thought crime :)
    - throwup238 2y ago
      Sounds familiar! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalhead_(Black_Mirror) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalhead_(Black_Mirror)
      - gunian 2y ago
        lol was hoping for ssuicide booths from futurama instead of black mirror :)
        throwup238 2y ago
        Just wait until OpenAi releases their Santa.
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darthrupert 2y ago

In an optimal world, what llms provide us is what vast libraries should have already 2 decades ago. But I guess instead of writing great libraries to avoid repeating ourselves, we drop all code to a lake monster which eats it and spits out answers.

Aeolun 2y ago

Isn’t this just Cursor but worse?

tushgaurav 2y ago
It's surprisingly very good. The AI responses are very good, and it's free to use. They don't charge anything for claude-3.5-sonnet. I also love its UI even though they totally copied JetBrains Fleet's UI.
- gkbrk 2y ago
  > They don't charge anything for claude-3.5-sonnet Makes you think about how they're extracting value from you to make up for this. I rack up non-significant amounts when using Claude 3.5 Sonnet for coding. Considering the data they siphon from their other "free" apps, I don't want to think about what this does on developer machines with code bases and production access.

halamadrid 2y ago

My personal experience has been that very basic stuff like converting an object to another shape or creating a simple validation function or things like that has been super effective with AI. I've gotten so lazy that I try and prompt it to exactly what I want instead of even editing a bit. But the moment it gets a little less basic, its a different story. I absolutely hate the experience. So I love it and I hate it at the same time. Is it going to replace me? I don't feel like its there yet. And this has been the case for a while now. There is just too much money and people invested in this that its hard to say anything negative about it. Nearly every VC has rebranded their websites around an AI-driven future. And, to be fair, it’s not a fad—it genuinely works well for many things. But for now, I’m still skeptical about how far it can really go.

thekevan 2y ago

There's no way I am using a Chinese IDE with VSCode (w/ Coppilot) and Cursor existing after reading the privacy issues in the court documents with TikTok. Bytedance had some extremely overreaching expectations of data it wanted. That being said, I am using (Chinese) Deepseek r1 because there isn't currently a free LLM on par with it. I am careful with what I share though, a little more so than with any others that are not locally fun.

ryang2718 2y ago
How have you found R1? I've been meaning to try it with Aider's Architect mode. Have you tried the 7b?
ioulaum 2y ago
I doubt that this sends back tons of data. Early TikTok was basically a standard Chinese startup in terms of how they collected data to optimize the app... It's not because they cared about what "you" are doing. The Chinese tech ecosystem is just more competitive than the US one. Most social media companies have been careless with data until they got public backlash though... TikTok's systems are probably more secure today than anyone else's... Because of the backlash.
- nikkwong 2y ago
  Absolutely and verifiably false. WeChat became so important to the CCPs surveillance interests that it was essentially nationalized; and other apps that grow to its scale basically suffer the same fate. The only reason that hasn’t happened overtly to TikTok is because it’s an international product, so instead the nationalization happens discretely.
  - gunian 2y ago
    You don't hear about the other side because people like me usually get murdered in cold blood there is no difference but for you to believe that is a singularity like me being treated like a human :)
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ioulaum 2y ago

Apparently the target market for this is supposed to be "Chinese coders living abroad". Thus it supporting English and Chinese languages. And it may be a competitive step taken after Alibaba launched their new coding assistant.

nurumaik 2y ago
Isn't any modern llm inherently multilingual?
- homebrewer 2y ago
  Not really, there' a world of difference between how every model I've tried¹ handles English vs my own native language². It's especially noticeable with smaller models, which produce coherent English, but completely break down in other languages: spewing out incorrect grammar, mixing words from other languages where they make zero sense, etc. ¹: which is dozens of them at this point, open and not. ²: with lots of speakers and training data.
  - gunian 2y ago
    Would finetuning fix this? If they are statstical parrots it would seem like it wouldn't
    - ioulaum 2y ago
      Probably tough to fix small models with fine-tuning... You'd likely need to train them with enough data from languages (and maybe translations between them) that they need to support, so that they can connect ideas in different languages properly. Separately, the fact that they can translate between languages where they have never seen any translation data in their inputs shows that they have internal models of the world and language, that go beyond what one might expect from a statistical parrot. They do have world understanding - perhaps limited some by the fact that their input data may not cover a lot of everyday things.
- ioulaum 2y ago

TiredOfLife 2y ago

No Windows or Linux versions. The Chinese are Rich.

RamblingCTO 2y ago

I've been toying with roo-code (cline fork) and it's fun. Before you give out your data to china maybe consider that or continue.

entropyneur 2y ago

It's hard enough to avoid Chinese electronics, I'm not about to start using Chinese software.

jbverschoor 2y ago
You should be running any dev stuff in a VM / Container anyway because of all the supply chain attacks / typo malware

debugpro 2y ago

I wrote a Tetris game with it, but there’s a bug where the blocks suddenly disappear while falling. I haven’t been able to fix the bug, and I’m not sure if it’s an issue with the IDE or Sonnet. The experience isn’t very good.

doix 2y ago

I see many comments about not using this because China/ByteDance stealing data, etc. I get it for for enterprise, you don't want your code leaking to the outside world, even if in my experience, the code is mostly garbage and not worth that much. But if it's for some personal project that you're putting on Github, does it matter? If my code is going on Github anyway, it's going to get slurped up regardless. I don't particularly care if it gets processed by Cursor or ByteDance before it gets scraped.

littlestymaar 2y ago
I'm glad people care about their personal data, I just wished they cared as much when talking about ChatGPT, because in reality if you're not a Chinese dissident living abroad, then OpenAI is much more dangerous to you than the CCP.
- jay-barronville 2y ago
  > […] in reality if you're not a Chinese dissident living abroad, then OpenAI is much more dangerous to you than the CCP. Correct. I laugh a little every time I hear some folks immediately push the “Big Bad China is just trying to steal our data” narrative. My immediate reaction is, “Grab some tea and let’s sit down real quick, so I can tell you what some of our companies right here in America and our government do with our data.”
  - kstrauser 2y ago
    It’s legal to be opposed to both, you know. At least OpenAI is in my legal jurisdiction.
    - descendant 2y ago
      Agreed. I get that both might have the same level of access to my data but if I was staying in USA, I would be much more okay with my data getting in the hands of an organization which is within the jurisdiction of the democratic country I live in. Also, given the global political scenario, China is considered a competitor/enemy due to opposite ideologies (not my personal opinion) so the choice is obvious. However, whether USA is/will stay a democracy for long is a longer debate.

kleiba 2y ago

I've lost track: what are the current sota alternatives that I can run locally? What's the preferred IDE that integrates AI nicely?

thejocker6 2y ago
VSCode with the continue plugin. Might work with VSCodium as well, but haven't tried it yet.

pasc1878 2y ago

Interesting that the macOS download is Intel and not Apple Silicon

_ink_ 2y ago

So how is it different from: https://www.marscode.com/ https://www.marscode.com/ ? Also, anybody knows a decent IDE where AI is a first class citizen? So far my experience with plugins is, that they have too little context to be actually useful.

epaga 2y ago
Cursor has been absolutely game-changing for me, especially its Composer Agent mode.
- _ink_ 2y ago
  Looks great indeed. Unfortunately without local LLM support it's a nogo for my company. :(

Sharon_Q 2y ago

Why do Chinese Internet companies tend to monopolize the market with free strategies?

pogue 2y ago

This post got political almost instantly. Unfortunate, but expected in today's client, I suppose. Regardless, what is this exactly?

jm547ster 2y ago
Seems to have been heavily downvoted also, it's flown off the front page. Times have changes for HN. Also double standard when it comes to the like of Deepseek r1 earlier this week :shrug:

chvid 2y ago

I took it for a spin and it looks great - a great way of playing with a LLM. Sure some of the elements are in IntelliJ, Copilot, or maybe Cursor (which I haven't tried) but it is all very well put together. Recommended. (But of course it would be nice to be able to run it against a local model which doesn't seem possible at the moment.)

BonoboIO 2y ago

Pair programming with your invisible Chinese coworkers, you don’t even know you have.

powerapple 2y ago

Where does it say it is done by ByteDance? I would definitely use it it is really done by ByteDance... Couldn't find any information of ByteDance on the page though.

humanlity 2y ago

So tired of such news

csomar 2y ago

A disappointment as this is yet another wrapper around VSCode. It doesn't change/re-invent the current paradigms of writing code. Effort would have been much better spent on getting AI auto-complete "merged" with LSP. But who is listening? Pretty much everyone these days think they can plug an LLM and have their life issues sorted out.

icar 2y ago

Please, please, stop the AI IDEs...

plun9 2y ago
Why?

Alifatisk 2y ago

When will it be released to homebrew?

meiraleal 2y ago

A developers tool not available for Linux?

lostmsu 2y ago
From the top 4 here https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology#1-integrated-development-environment https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology#1-integrated... only 2 are: - vs code - vs - IntelliJ IDEA - Notepad++

ilikegreen 2y ago

Very unrelated, but: I run Linux on an older Thinkpad and I appreciate fast websites. This is a very well-designed website! It loads fast and it scrolls quite quickly. Does anybody feel the same? I feel like nobody touched upon this, but it's always very nice to feel interfaces are responsive.

matheusd 2y ago
Interesting, I have the exact polar opposite perception. I accessed this through a Qubes AppVM (no GPU, limited memory and CPU budget) and the presence of videos makes this a very slow scrolling experience for me. In general, anything that involves JS/CSS animation/blur/effects makes sites pretty slow (up to unusable for me). The unlogged homepage for github.com for example, spins my cpu at 100%.

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khantsithu 2y ago

this is nice, i love chinese free products haha

1317 2y ago

ah, so that's what they were scraping my git host for!

serverlessmania 2y ago

claude-sonnet for free! How?

itsafarqueue 2y ago
By handing over all your proprietary code. Read the terms.

miah_ 2y ago

codr7 2y ago

The last thing I need, truly. If I ever have a need for buggy crap code, any random boot camp dev can write it for no money at all.

poki89 2y ago

It looks like a lot of Chinese companies have started open sourcing.

bitdoze 2y ago

It’s free right now. For my use case worked and I like the interface. Will give it a try and see if AI features are better than ZED ones. Made a video here: https://youtu.be/5QOsVgumDiE https://youtu.be/5QOsVgumDiE

dmix 2y ago

"AI features not available in Canada"

orange_puff 2y ago

I am enjoying Trae so far, but was wondering if it is possible to point it at a local model. https://docs.trae.ai/docs/open-source-software-notice?_lang=en https://docs.trae.ai/docs/open-source-software-notice?_lang=... I am not seeing any mention of this in the docs