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Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police
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- bypdx 3mo agoPrivacy advocate with Google-nest cameras inside his home?
- brador 3mo agoOn device recording, so at least the illusion of privacy.
- ale42 3mo agoHow did he get the videos out of the cameras that were seized if the recording was also not uploaded? Can Nest cameras upload/stream to private servers? (never had one so I have no idea)
- foder 3mo agoLol, yes. He describe himself as an anarcho capitalist so I guess, ideologically, it is government surveillance that he is concerned with and that the free market will sort out the rest.
- hdgvhicv 3mo agoHilarious take, why ban it by accountable governments but not unaccountable companies (which can then sell to accountable governments anyway)
- freedomben 3mo agoWhere did you see anarcho capitalist? I only saw "libertarian" (which is not the same thing).
- jchw 3mo agoMaybe he wanted to make sure a lot of copies of the evidence were floating around. Surveillance capitalism is like a free unlimited backup service you can't restore from.
- polack 3mo agoI was on a consultant-assignment at a company that got raided by the police in the EU. The police was extremely careful not to scan any data that where stored on US-servers. The company used Google for mail and file storage, so all computers had to be taken offline before they could scan them. While I don't doubt they have a way of getting permission to access that data, I don't think they will put in the effort unless you're a relally big fish.
- pjc50 3mo ago> The police was extremely careful not to scan any data that where stored on US-servers This seems exactly backwards to what I'd expect, I wonder what the official rationale is.
- spragl 3mo agoYeah, he seems confused to me. Well meaning, but not so consistent. What is good is that he is a wrench, that throws itself in the works repeatedly. This is a healthy thing to have.
- zazazache 3mo agoPretty tricky by the cops to turn off power directly and to steal his cameras. Shows that if you are concerned something like this would happen to you that you need to invest in more resilient solutions. Probably something with batteries and also hidden.
- ethagnawl 3mo agoThey did this to Afroman, too. Though, in his case, they didn't lead with the panel and the result is the infamous video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0bNy7XO-SCI0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0bNy7XO-SCI0 It makes you wonder how much of an effect this incident has had on protocols. But, yeah, depending on your threat matrix, you might want to consider hidden trail cams with their own cell service.
- teiferer 3mo agoNext step would be to cut the cells too.
- iamnothere 3mo agoTrail cams (and other hidden cams) often have local SD backup. Better break out the “broom,” rip open the walls, and steal every electronic device just in case.
- teiferer 3mo agoHm what if he burries some storage server (with UPS) in the yard to which this is streamed. They are never going to find it. Especially if the networking is wireless, but even tracking down where ethernet (copper or fiber) goes is hard.
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- tommica 3mo agoHighly doubt that is the only reason he got this treatment. Need to go through his tweets to figure out what is his deal.
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- klustregrif 3mo agoThe guy constantly does crazy shit so sure, but this comes days after he announced he was stalking her children, so it’s very likely connected
- throwaway27448 3mo agoRegardless of intent, this does reveal that certain people are protected by warrantless arrests while the general public is not.
- bawolff 3mo agoDid his arrest not have a warrant? I'm not familiar how these things work in Denmark, but is there any reason to believe there was no warrant?
- throwaway27448 3mo agoPresumably if they had one they would have told him the charges, but I am not sure how the danish law works so perhaps my assumption is incorrect.
- bawolff 3mo agoAt the same time, i would presume if his arrest was this irregular and illegal he would be taking it to actual court instead ofthe court of public opinion.
- bawolff 3mo ago> The prefece to the story is, that I in a kind of roundabout and (I think) humorous way published "my two favorite numbers" by spelling out a 10 diget and a 8 diget number with letters. I didn't tell what they ment, but they where prime minister Mette Frederiksen's social security and phone number Umm, so was he arrested for doxing the prime minister? Is there more to the story than that? As someone who cares about privacy, arresting people who dox other people seems like a good thing. Obviously i want that to apply to everyone not just the rich and famous, but still at the end of the day i have trouble objecting to someone getting arrested for doxing people.
- sword_smith 3mo agoThat same prime minister supports the warrant-less use of medical records in police work and the ban of encryption through chat control. She wants to prevent the Danish population from having privacy, but demands it herself. Sorry, but that's not the Western way.
- bawolff 3mo agoJust because you disagree with someone does not make it ok to dox them.
- sucrosesucrose 3mo agoThe lifes of powerful people must be transparent.
- lemagedurage 3mo agoHaving their business transparent makes sense but by restricting people's personal lives like this would disincentivize good people from rising to power, which is not what we want.
- kachnuv_ocasek 3mo agoGood, I don't want people rising to unlimited, uncheckable power and creating oppressive hierarchies in general.
- selcuka 3mo ago> When the two civilian dressed masked men entered the apparentment I think this is very irresponsible. What would happen if the owner was armed and harmed the police thinking that they were criminals?
- Hamuko 3mo ago>What would happen if the owner was armed and harmed the police thinking that they were criminals? A hefty prison sentence for illegal handling of firearms and attempted homicide would be my guess.
- selcuka 3mo agoI was thinking of the police officers. Why risk your life for such a petty crime?
- breppp 3mo agoI think the gun proliferation situation in Denmark is probably different than the US
- klustregrif 3mo agoThis is Denmark not America, there is literally no risk to their life.
- JuniperMesos 3mo agoJust because Denmark doesn't have the same gun laws, culture around using guns for self-defense, or prevalence of guns as the US does, it doesn't mean that Danish police face no risk when they raid someone's home. Anytime the cops raid someone's home, regardless of whether or not is it a legitimate raid of a legitimate criminal, it's a violent act and there's risk that the cops will be hurt or killed.
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- sword_smith 3mo agoLars is good at exposing the hypocrisy of the Danish government. In a former case he, sent the exact same threatening text to a prosecutor as that prosecutor had received a police report from a third party about, and that the prosecutor refused to pursue. Lars got jail time for that. Rules for thee but not for me.
- bawolff 3mo agoOr alternatively, 2 wrongs don't make a right. Even if the text message was exactly the same, there are plenty of valid reasons why one might be prosecutable and the other might not be.
- sword_smith 3mo agoSure. If you accept that we give up on equality before the law, one might be prosecutable and the other not. Some of us prefer not to give up on that though.
- bawolff 3mo agoYou dont have to give up equality under the law, you just have to accept that there is a lot more that goes into a prosecution than the act. Were witnesses cooperative and credible, what was the intent, what was context. I dont know the specifics of this case. Maybe there was a miscarriage of justice. But just the fact the acts are the same doesn't show that. There is a lot more factors to consider.
- sword_smith 3mo agoYour obfuscation carries no argumentative weight, as the uncertainty your obfuscation attempts to introduce might as well be used in the reverse: maybe the guy who made the original threat (that was not prosecuted) had a criminal record involving violent crimes whereas Lars' text obviously should be taken in the political, non-violent, activist context that is his modus operandi.
- Quothling 3mo agoI'm Danish and lars kragh andersen is a bit of a grey zone. He obviously goes over the line, he tried to put GPS trackers on the cars of ministers. He "stalks" their families, and dox their children online. He gave an interview on how he'd ignore people carrying a kilo gram of weed when he was a cop because he doesn't agree with the "war on drugs". On the flip-side, he's sort of right. I assume that putting a GPS tracker on the car of our minister of justice is illegal, but that same minister (Peter Hummelgaard) is one of the key forces behind anti-encryption here in Europe. Similarily the politicians he stalk and harras are pro Palintir getting access to all our data, so Lars Andersen is sort of giving the politicians a taste of what they want to give everyone. He goes way too far though. Especially if he actually wants change, the way he "protests" is directly damaging his own cause, since nobody is going to sympathise with harrassing children. I suspect next time he'll have his cameras running with backup powers though.
- N_Lens 3mo agoI expect he’ll be justified and vindicated in history if we end up in a global totalitarian prison planet scenario that seems to become more possible as the tech reaches that capability. “For the safety of the children” ofcourse.
- AnonymousPlanet 3mo agoWhat kind of history will a totalitarian prison planet write, I wonder.
- N_Lens 3mo ago1984 will be banned as being too inspirational, perhaps?
- KSteffensen 3mo ago1984 is not inspirational, it's cautionary. The main character has already lost from the first page of the book.
- throw562 3mo agoAnother authoritarian govt
- breppp 3mo agoThe archetype of the whining activist. Getting himself in idiotic trouble so he could benefit from the status of a victim and ensuing drama
- itwaswatson 3mo ago*winning Sorry, you made a silly typo that made you look bad. I fixed it.
- teiferer 3mo agoIf the goal was to maximize attention to the event (in order to use it to steer attention towards the cause) then it was quite successful, no? After all, we're talking about it here. Mostly about him and the details of the event, but some sub-threads are about the cause too. So, success?
- klustregrif 3mo agoSuccess in what exactly? There a very strong political movement in Denmark towards protecting privacy rights, then there’s this nutjob who just got out of jail for bribes, harassment, death threats against politicians and immediately he starts stalking the kids of the prime minister. He’s not doing anything for the cause he claims to fight for. He’s doesn’t want a right to privacy he wants to be allowed to continue to sell drugs “in private” from the government. And he thinks freedom of speech should cover his freedom to harass and threaten politicians which it doesn’t and shouldn’t.
- philipwhiuk 3mo ago> Success in what exactly? There a very strong political movement in Denmark towards protecting privacy rights Doesn't seem to be working.
- klustregrif 3mo agoBy what metric? The fact that he got arrested for stalking the prime ministers children and releasing private information speaks toward protecting privacy not an issue if lacking privacy. You can’t just declare “I am an anti violence activist” then go out and beat up politicians and declare that the system has a problem with violence when you get arrested. This is the equivalent of what he’s done. He claims to support privacy laws so he violated the privacy of someone who is currently protected by the PET (equivalent of FBI) due to safety concerns and he proudly proclaimed that he did so by stalking her children. He’s not a political activist he’s a drug dealer who’s hell bent on getting revenge on politicians because he just spent 8 months in jail after being convicted on counts of death threats harassment and illegal possession of arms and drugs.
- m00dy 3mo agoI bet he lives in Amager because his door looks very similar to mine when I was living in there.
- SG- 3mo agoPeople didn't blink when Comey posted a photo of 8647 and got indicted for threatening the president, imagine if he posted Trumps SSN.
- teravor 3mo agoi guess they weren't trying to get his computer in a powered up state.
- IceDane 3mo agoNobody in Denmark actually thinks of Lars Andersen as any sort of serious privacy activist. He is a drug-addled moron who just happens to dabble in those things. He's an idiot and contributes nothing of value to society.
- burnt-resistor 3mo agoIf cops are supposedly worried about cameras and believe turning the power off stops it, then put a UPS on the DVR (if present) and each camera.
- tao_oat 3mo agoBecause no one has mentioned it here: Lars Andersen is also a right-wing extremist who regularly posts racist content on social media. His privacy/free speech activism seems to be (at least partly) motivated by this. I think this is useful context for evaluating his judgment.
- gaiagraphia 3mo agoAn example would've been nice. All too often people throw around the racist buzzword without ever actually providing evidence. It's as if we're expected to just blindly trust and follow that somebody is now excommunicated from modern society.
- tao_oat 3mo agoSure thing. If you view his X profile without logging in, nearly all his top posts demonstrate what I mean: advocating for remigration (i.e. ethnic cleansing), comparing Muslims to monkeys, supporting far-right figures like Tommy Robinson and Rasmus Paludan, sharing YouTube comments with racial slurs...
- microsoftedging 3mo agohttps://x.com/LarsAnders1620/status/1885254465160118655 https://x.com/LarsAnders1620/status/1885254465160118655, first one that comes up when I view X (not signed in). I don't think this is enough (as OP declared) to authoritatively place him in 'right wing extremist' but probably racist. I don't speak danish, but someone that could would be able to make a more complete judgement because most, if not all posts of his, are in Danish.
- marysol5 3mo agoSimp much
- Fnoord 3mo agoA Danish privacy activist (not a protected title) using Google Nest. On a second thought (addendum), ... 1) Publishing PII like phone number of a high profile person in your society is causing them harm since they obviously put effort into not having such out in the open. (e.g. I can find anyone's phone number in my country via leaks. No big deal... but I shouldn't publish such. I shouldn't possess such data either.) 2) SSN is a different category of PII. Publishing this of anyone is an invitation of harm, even more so of a high profile person in your society. It is akin to inviting people to DDoS a website, or blocking them physically access to exit their house. That kind of thing. Except that on the internet, anyone can abuse this. Even people (including criminals) in foreign countries, residing in hazardous jurisdictions (e.g. Russia). Either way, what's the point of publishing such information? When German activists published the fingerprint of a German minister, they were making a point. They got the fingerprint via a glass of wine, but the interesting point is that a fingerprint cannot be revoked. It isn't used to authenticate a password, but a user(name). It should therefore not be used as single factor.
- marysol5 3mo agoCalling yourself a "privacy advocate" while gloating that you posted PII is quite something
- gaiagraphia 3mo agoI guess it's like castle doctrine for the information space. Something like "your right to privacy stops when you openly try to undermine mine...". I see it as a morally valid approach. Politicians are well within their power to not be corrupt and value the US/bigcorp/oligarch x over the people they vowed to represent.
- Svendike 3mo agoWhatever Lars may be, the fact that a lawful arrest could not be filmed sucks. I can find other reasons behind needing to cut the circuit breakers during an arrest of a hacker in an effort to secure evidence. Peter Hummelgaard on the other hand, can just fuck right off. Former head of the ministry of justice seriously argued that the mass surveillance initiatives he led were right because he "felt" it...
- seb1204 3mo agoTwitter is even the place for this kind of news? What does people keep there?
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- 4ggr0 3mo agoI shouldn't have clicked on his profile. Sorry for him for being raided by the police, but I didn't expect a "Privacy Activist" to be so focused on openly disliking muslims and migrants. I'm not logged in so maybe that says more about the twitter algo, but a lot of what I saw was posts and reposts hating on these groups of people. remigration, monkey comparisons, generally some awful stuff. yikes. Just focus on privacy, dude.