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Suno v4.5

390 points by platers 1y ago

whywhywhywhy 1y ago
Feel they didn't really test these genres "Cajun synthpop chant" has no chanting or synths, it sounds more like country music with french woman vocals
- TonyTrapp 1y ago
  None of the Acid House samples have anything to do with Acid House either. The Jungle samples sound more like Liquid Drum & Bass.
  - timeon 1y ago
    > The Jungle samples sound more like Liquid Drum & Bass. So another slop?
- mclau157 1y ago
  Agreed, Suno still very often does not follow instructions
- svantana 1y ago
  Yes, suno has definitely focused more on lyric and melody than prompt following. If the prompt is more than 3-4 words then it deteriorates pretty quickly. I think one reason is that there's not a lot of high quality descriptions of music around - you can guess the genre of the artist, and you can scrape reviews and the like, but that will be pretty noisy.
  - natdempk 1y ago
    You can do a lot more detailed prompts with v4.5 than previously and instructions in [brackets] also go a long way now.
    - Mockapapella 1y ago
      Could you elaborate on the instructions in brackets part?
      - dumpsterdiver 1y ago
        Brackets such as [Verse] help provide waveform separation in the edit view so that you can easily edit that section without manually dragging the slider. Others such as [Interrupt] will provide a DJ-like fade-out / announcement (that was <Artist name>, next up..." / fade-in - providing an opportunity to break the AI out of repetitive loops it obsesses about. I've used [Bridge] successfully, and [Instrumental] [No vocals] work reliably as well (there are also instrumental options, but I still use brackets out of habit I guess).
      - natdempk 1y ago
        Sure, you can do a lot of things here... stuff in [brackets] isn't sung. For example I was trying to steer a melodic techno prompt recently in a better direction by putting stuff like this upfront: [intro - dramatic synths, pulsing techno bass] [organic percussive samples] [rolling galloping pulsing gritty bassline] [soaring experimental synths, modulation heavy, echos, sound design, 3d sound] [lush atmosphere, variation] [hypnotic groovy arppegiation arps] [sampled repetitive trippy vocal] All of this is just stuff I kind of made up and wanted in the song, but it meaningfully improved the output over just tags. I think "steering/nudging the generation space" is a decent idea for how I feel like this affects the output. I also often use them to structure things around song structure like [intro], [break], [chorus], and even get more descriptive with these describing things or moments I'd like to happen. Again adherence is not perfect, but seems to help steer things. One of my favorite tags I've seen is [Suck the entire song through vacuum] and well... I choose to believe, check out 1:29 https://suno.com/s/xdIDhlKQUed0Dp1I https://suno.com/s/xdIDhlKQUed0Dp1I Worth playing around with a bunch, especially if you're not quite getting something interesting or in the direction you want.
- lucasoshiro 1y ago
  When I try to mix genres that are too different, it chooses only one of them and ignore the others... let's see if it's better in the new version
  - whywhywhywhy 1y ago
    Makes it weird they chose to demo it like this imho when it's not good at that. This design makes it look like its specifically that being shown off.
- ofrzeta 1y ago
  I tested around five genres although they were more mainstream than what you picked and they were quite good, for instance French Ska. If someone told me it was an actual French Ska band I wouldn't have doubted it. Or Klezmer music, but maybe the Jiddish wasn't totally correct.
  - otabdeveloper4 1y ago
    All of the non-English lyrics are so cringe as to border on intentional parody.
    - ofrzeta 1y ago
      Good call. Need to test some songs in my mother tongue.
smusamashah 1y ago
I tried Urdu. The music quality seems good but the pronunciation is wrong (e.g. slight aa sound instead of ee sound) for many simple common words and helper words. But I don't understand why its wrong. If its trained on lots of Urdu/Hindi music, no one pronounces those words like that. How does it get the a/e wrong while still singing almost correctly? It's weird.
- aidenn0 1y ago
  The vowels sound subtly wrong for English on the alternative rock station, but that might just be Eddie Vedder being in the training set...
  - brookst 1y ago
    Eddies in the training set
hombre_fatal 1y ago
That's a sick UI gimmick. And it's even cleverly mobile friendly.
visarga 1y ago
I can't get Suno to obey the style tags, it's as if they are not used at all in generating the output, or massively changed. Maybe they do the same trick Gemini used to generate the black queen of England. Or it's a trick to waste our credits faster, the only way to get something decent is to spin the dice many times.
- logicchains 1y ago
  It seems to lean heavily on the lyrics when choosing the style; if you pick a style that doesn't match well with the lyrics, it'll kinda ignore it.
  - XenophileJKO 1y ago
    I'm still experimenting with what works and doesn't work. Currently for style I am trying things like: ----- STYLE: Earth Circuit Fusion INSTRUMENTATION: - Deep analog synth bass with subtle distortion - Hybrid percussion combining djembe and electronic glitches - Polytonal synth arpeggios with unpredictable patterns - Processed field recordings for atmospheric texture - Circuit-bent toys creating unexpected melodic accents VOCAL APPROACH: - Female vocalist with rich mid-range and clear upper register - Intimate yet confident delivery with controlled vibrato - Layered whisper-singing technique in verses - Full-voiced chorus delivery with slight emotional rasp - Spoken-word elements layered under bridge melodies - Stacked fifth harmonies creating ethereal chorus quality PRODUCTION: - Grainy tape saturation on organic elements - Juxtaposition of lo-fi and hi-fi within same sections - Strategic arrangement dropouts for dramatic impact - Glitch transition effects between sections --- One thing I have noticed with the new model is that it listens to direction in the lyrics more now, for example [whispered] or [bass drop], etc. There are clear limits. I have been unsuccessful in spacial arrangement. EDIT: I realized I didn't specify, this is when you do custom and you specify the lyrics and the style separately.
- natdempk 1y ago
  v4.5 is a lot better at adherence with detailed descriptions! Still not totally adherent, but if you can steer it with genre, detailed descriptions of genre, and elements of the genre it's way better than v4. Some descriptions work better than others so there's some experimentation to figure out what works for what you're trying to achieve. You can also provide descriptions in [brackets] in the lyrics that work reasonably well in my experience. Disclaimer: I work there as a SWE.
cdrini 1y ago
That is a very cool UI; super fun to just hit random and find new niche genres/styles. I'd never heard of klezmer, for example, but such a nice style! I don't know if it's the music, but it's been a while since a website has put this big a grin on my face! I keep wanting to save some of the songs I hear. Damn, I don't think I would really be able to tell in a blind test that these were AI.
- lucasoshiro 1y ago
  > That is a very cool UI; I really don't like that UI. It's hard to read, and when I found something it slips. Too much form over function > I keep wanting to save some of the songs I hear. Just click the title of the song. If you have an account you can add to favorites, download, etc.
  - cdrini 1y ago
    Ah the title isn't visible on mobile for me!
    - lucasoshiro 1y ago
      Well, I never used Suno on mobile, perhaps it's that! Here on desktop it's ok
      - ignoramous 1y ago
        On my 16gigs octa-core Ubuntu box, the UI stutters.
- NexRebular 1y ago
  They should make it easier to download the songs. There's so much music that could be used commercially instead of expensive licensing. Someone could even set up a venture to record era-appropriate AI music to a cassette or vinyl and start selling them. Oh, the joys of infinite public domain music!
- noumenon1111 1y ago
DataDaemon 1y ago
"I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes."
- no_no_no_no 1y ago
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- hiccuphippo 1y ago
  If you enjoy doing art and writing then great, AI will never take that from you. If it's your job, then it can take some of the load from you so you can go do things you enjoy.
- vlaaad 1y ago
  Should we tell him?
progbits 1y ago
Aren't they still in active lawsuit with Sony etc about training on music without license? Yet still releasing new products? I guess they are hoping for the Uber outcome where they earn enough money during the illegal phase so they can pay some tiny fine and keep going.
- ronsor 1y ago
  Illegal? If the record companies were so obviously going to win, they could've obtained a preliminary injunction to stop Suno's business. They didn't, so the service continues.
  - __loam 1y ago
    Pretty sure napster also continued to operate during ongoing legal actions but I am not a lawyer
- pier25 1y ago
  AFAIK the lawsuit is still ongoing. Suno admitted to train their models with copyrighted music and are now defending the position that music copyrights and royalties are bad for the future of music.
  - randyrand 1y ago
    I think it's more straightforward to argue it's transformative fair use.
    - 93po 1y ago
      fair use requires it be non-profit which doesnt work for suno
      - brookst 1y ago
        I don’t think that’s true. Parodies are protected as transformative fair use and plenty of them are for-profit.
andrewclunn 1y ago
I've been doing music composition and songwriting as a hobby for a decade. 4.0 is where Suno added enough features where workshopping things conceptually there first made it worth it, even for someone who can and often will, break apart stems into composite instruments and then manually adjust as needed. People always worry about what this means at the low effort "spray and pray" approach to music, but ultimately, it also allows for faster and cheaper iteration and development for all involved. Is the finished product ultimately "better" though? You be the judge. For comparison, here's a song where I forced myself to do everything within Suno (took less than a week): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6mJcXxoppc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6mJcXxoppc And here's one where I did the manual composition, worked with session artists, and it took a couple months and cost me several hundred dollars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5JcEnU-x3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5JcEnU-x3s
arnaudsm 1y ago
The biggest impact Generative Music had on my life was for wedding skits. Families that wanted a funny song about the bride filled with anecdotes didn't need talent anymore. The first time I heard it, it was incredible. The 2nd wedding that did it, it started to feel boring. The 3rd time, everyone hated it. Similar to image-generation, we're getting tired really fast of cookie-cutter art. I don't know how to feel about it.
- cactusplant7374 1y ago
  I'm sure if you lied and told everyone that you hired someone to create the tune they would like it again.
  - recursive 1y ago
    I'm not.
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- jbm 1y ago
  I enjoy playing with Suno as a toy to flesh out bits and pieces of creative ideas I have that I cannot complete at my current stage in life. Weird, stupid things. Writing theme songs for TV shows that don't exist, finding ways to translate song types from culture A to culture B, BGM for a video game you want to make, a sales song for Shikoku 1889 to sell Iyo railway shares, etc... Some of us have zero cultural influence and services like Suno mean we aren't listening to the original brainrot (popular music). Sure, you might create garbage but it's your garbage and you aren't stuck waiting for someone to throw you a bone. I love Suno, it's a rare subscription that is fun.
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  - gs17 1y ago
    I agree, you can make stupid ideas happen without having to make a huge investment in something you want to hear as a joke. There was a metal song I thought had lyrics that would also work as pop-country and I did quick cover of it on Suno to see if I was right. I'm pretty sure that I actually could, if I really wanted to, create this cover legitimately and even put it on Spotify with royalties going to the original artists (it seems they have a blanket mechanical license for a lot of works). But it was a "gag" song that probably has a market of just me, so hiring a team of people would be a lot of time and money for 3 minutes of a giggle. I also would have to worry about things like if it's changed too much to be a cover and getting sued for putting in extra effort.
sgt 1y ago
If you actually know some of the languages and you realize they are just singing jibberish (much worse than actual real songs), it's impossible to listen to. The instrumental ones can be great.
- jbm 1y ago
  I speak Japanese — I'm pretty sure it isn't gibberish when I put in custom lyrics. (It does sometime read Kanji wrong but not when you put in the pronunciation) I can't say anything about autogenerated lyrics.
- moralestapia 1y ago
  Nope, on the Spanish stations I listened to, it's great. Which one are you referring to?
- bradleykingz 1y ago
  I love listening to African folk music. I don't understand the lyrics but really enjoy the music. I've found some okay but listening to "meaningless" music doesn't sit right with me
- coumbaya 1y ago
  The French ones I listened to where legit
- hiccuphippo 1y ago
  The Beatles had a song with a gibberish mix of Spanish, Portuguese and Italian and I very much enjoy it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bNMxWGHlTI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bNMxWGHlTI Cuando para mucho mi amore de felice corazón...
bobajeff 1y ago
I had not known that this was AI until reading the comments here. I was really enjoying the 'anti-folk big band' station. Now I'm sure that's just a nonsense genre but that nonsense was more enjoyable than the stuff I've found on Spotify. I'm not sure what that says about me or the state of music but I did not expect it to be this capable yet.
- moralestapia 1y ago
  Hmm, got interested on listening to that one station due to your comment, but couldn't find it anywhere.
  - scotty79 1y ago
    big band alt-country it's first in one of the rows, on the left
  - Recursing 1y ago
    You can ctrl+F and scroll until it pops up edm anti-folk is also great: https://suno.com/song/47f0585c-ca41-4002-9d7f-fe71f85e0c62 https://suno.com/song/47f0585c-ca41-4002-9d7f-fe71f85e0c62
    - moralestapia 1y ago
      Found it! It's kind of good, yeah!
- drabbiticus 1y ago
  The music that Suno generates as anti-folk is pretty aesthetic, but when you read into what anti-folk is meant to be as a genre, I can't help but feel that an AI algorithm spitting out music and lyrics is pretty far from anti-commercial ethos espoused by the antifolk movement.
  - hfgjbcgjbvg 1y ago
    It’s too bad AI is associated with commercialism when it’s a product of academia.
S0y 1y ago
Honestly it baffles me at this point that Suno keeps trying to generate lyrics when everything else it generates sounds so good. All of these example get ruined by the most simple and boring lyrics imaginable. Poetry is an art and clearly the model doesn't yet grasp all of its nuances like it does for the rest of the "composition". At this point the only thing that gives this away as AI generated are the vocals.
- natdempk 1y ago
  Have you tried out the Remi lyrics model in custom mode? It’s a lot more unhinged and creative in both very good and very… interesting ways. I’d check it out if you’re interested in lyrics generation.
- S0y 1y ago
  >Take the plunge in the strength of the breakbeat, >Among the stars, where the dreams and freedom meet. >Finding the ecstasy of life’s uncharted quest, >In every pulse of the music, feel the zest. Like... what?
- otabdeveloper4 1y ago
  > At this point the only thing that gives this away as AI generated are the vocals. Only because the bar for music is so low nowadays. Thankfully poetry hasn't been commodified yet liked music has.
- johnfn 1y ago
  Yeah, I find it funny that they have this super strong music generation model, but then they use what could only be GPT 3.5 for lyrics.
  - RugnirViking 1y ago
    I think it's because, like a first year writing student trying poetry, it tries a little too hard to make the lyrics coherent and storytelling in a script read from a page. A lot of real song lyrics have a whole lot of repetition, non sequiturs, and break grammar rules to fit the meter better
jppope 1y ago
Love the site, and impressed by what they generated there. With that said... I'm starting to feel like music might be the last thing to be affected by Generative AI. I IV V with different accents over the music and different drum sounds is fine, but thats not really music. It's pretty bad when you can pick out the chords progression in 5 sec. Cue the infamous 4-chord song skit by Axis of Awesome.
- netdevphoenix 1y ago
  > I IV V with different accents over the music and different drum sounds is fine, but thats not really music Music is more about the human that made it and their relation to you than the sound properties themselves. Same as other art. The more indirect the music process and the further you are from the living experience of the human creator, the less it resembles art. I feel art is more of an spectrum rather than a binary switch and the metric is how much direct human involvement did the audio experience have in terms that you can relate to. Remove the human completely and you just have sound. It is likely that something like bepop, gabber or industrial synthwave would have been considered "sounds" rather than art by medieval folks or Mesopotamian people if they heard the sounds without knowing whether the source was human or not. Same with us if we were to heard some music from the year 3200 or 4500, we would likely not consider it music.
  - jppope 1y ago
    thats exactly what I'm feeling. GenAi for images or text is useful, it feels like the resolved values can be added to things or accomplish a purpose. The GenAI music feels like sound (as you put it) - like great its there, but thats not music.
- postexitus 1y ago
  I actually am of the exact opposite opinion. With image / text / video, I am much more able to differentiate between AI vs human. However in music - there is so much badly done human music as well, for me it's nearly impossible to understand the difference between a badly done human music and a high fidelity AI music (the chord progression, happens as often in human music). Moreover, I have put Suno AI on playlist mode before and it's actually been enjoyable, and I am a big AI sceptic! Sometimes even more so than Spotify's own (although they've been accused of putting AI music on playlists as well - but I am fairly sure the weak stuff that put me off was by humans - did I say I cannot differentiate?). Especially some music genres - like Japanese Vocaloid ; Power Metal, some country, where certain genre specific things overwhelm the piece, AI does a very good job in mimicking those from the best of the best and put meagre efforts to shame. Here is one AI song I generated in an earlier version of Suno - let me know if anything stands out as AI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5JcEnU-x3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5JcEnU-x3s and another I recorded in my studio with an artist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6mJcXxoppc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6mJcXxoppc
iandanforth 1y ago
I recommend clicking around on genres for languages you don't speak. The songs sound great as long as you don't know what they are saying. Lyrics are still a very weak point for AI music, still, infinite enjoyment as long as you're ignorant of the flaws!
TheAceOfHearts 1y ago
One of Suno's biggest weakness is their lyrics generation, and that you can't generate lyrics without also generating a song. I think it's better to use a different LLM to generate and iterate on lyrics, which you can then pass to Suno in order to generate a final song. If anyone here has a subscription and they can spare the tokens, I think it would be fun if someone shared a song about Hacker News. I'm hoping that in the future tools like Suno will allow you to produce / generate songs as projects which you can tweak in greater detail; basically a way of making music by "vibe coding". With 4.0 the annotation capabilities were still a bit limited, and the singer could end up mispronouncing things without any way to fix or specify the correct pronunciation. This blog post mentions that with 4.5 they enhanced prompt interpretations, but it doesn't actually go into any technical details nor does it provide clear examples to get a real sense of the changes.
- idoxer 1y ago
  Another thing I did with LLM which I found very useful, is to give the LLM an existing song lyrics and ask him to do a similar one with different subject I give him
- whoomp12342 1y ago
  you can do this... just toggle to "custom" mode on song generation
- Jordan-117 1y ago
  Their biggest weakness is that every voice has a persistent synthy quality, like it's a vocaloid it's being sung into one of those tinny microphone toys for kids. I find Udio has much more natural-sounding vocals.
  - ojosilva 1y ago
    Udio has these random "halfway" singer voices that I find really interesting to listen to - a little uncanny-valleyish sometimes but interesting nonetheless. Depending on genre it can be a Nat-Sinatra, a Whitney-Dion, etc., it's really cool. It would be great if it could be saved from a song then loaded back for a new one on demand.
particle_theory 1y ago
I got suno to render a song that I used to sing to my daughter when she was a baby. After some amount of fiddling, it produced something quite nice and for this I am eternally grateful to AI.
n8m8 1y ago
I still hear hissing on many of the examples, has that improved?
tmaly 1y ago
I honestly would like to see an open source music model that can generate the stems
fuzzythinker 1y ago
Love the UI! Beautiful and great for exploration.
nusaru 1y ago
Immediately got a banger: "Dimensions of being" https://suno.com/song/dd3dbde0-4df6-4aec-a9be-bd2f64c281c8 https://suno.com/song/dd3dbde0-4df6-4aec-a9be-bd2f64c281c8
- ignoramous 1y ago
  Got this Urdu song https://suno.com/song/4c5837c9-26ae-430e-839d-3cdf8d8cbcb0 https://suno.com/song/4c5837c9-26ae-430e-839d-3cdf8d8cbcb0 (https://archive.vn/pLMHD https://archive.vn/pLMHD) and it is hauntingly meaningless, which makes it ... unique? Lyrics doesn't seem to be Suno's strong suit (and Urdu particularly has a rich poetry tradition), but it won't remain as ridiculous for long. Exciting times!
- comex 1y ago
  Hmm. Still has the biggest issue I’ve observed with AI songs in the past: the lyrics don’t have a consistent or pleasing rhythm. It seems like the lyrics are generated with little regard to rhythm, then the melody is generated and tries to fit the lyrics without being able to change them. The result is a song where verses constantly have too many syllables (resulting in them spilling into the next meter when adjacent verses don’t), or too few syllables (resulting in awkward rests), or syllables with the wrong stresses. Occasionally the singing tries to compensate by just skipping syllables. In the second verse, the word “whispering” is replaced by an indistinct two-syllable word that sounds like “forming”. In the chorus, the phrase “the dimensions” merges the first two syllables to sound like “the mentions”. Someday, I’m sure, Suno will find a way to fix this issue. But today isn’t that day.
- IAmGraydon 1y ago
  You don't feel like this is incredibly generic?
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cynicalpeace 1y ago
I have a hypothesis that AI music and other arts will not take off. My reasoning is that the fact that it was made by another human is really important. Not only because you might think a piece of music is lame because it was made by AI vs a human. But also because all the things that bring you back to a piece of art is wrapped up in the person that made it. People who are immense fans of the Beatles, Taylor Swift or Kanye West illustrate this point. You keep coming back because you liked this person's music before, and so you can't wait to preorder their music in the future. Same goes for books, paintings and really all other art I can think of. An artist develops a following that snowballs into their music being broadly consumed. There are "AI music artists" that have been around for a decade. Miquela is the one I know about. But in that timespan, hundreds of human artists have developed followings and cultural sway that far outweigh what Miquela has done. It seems more and more that AI is simply another tool for humans to use. Rather than a replacement altogether of humans.
- cardanome 1y ago
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- Rochus 1y ago
  > My reasoning is that the fact that it was made by another human is really important. This presupposes that people are still able to tell the difference between computer-generated and human-generated music, which, in my opinion (as a trained musician and former producer), is no longer the case for the majority of people. Music and musicians undoubtedly also fulfill an "idol function." But the industry has long since provided an answer to this, for example with highly successful, artificially optimized boy or girl groups. With "Milli Vanilli," they took it to the extreme by having the "musicians" no longer sing themselves, but were chosen solely for their effect on the audience. This also works with computer-generated music, only much cheaper.
  - cynicalpeace 1y ago
    "Wow this song is great! Who's song is this?" "It's AI!" "Oh." I've literally seen this happen, in person. The song doesn't get passed to friends. The artist themselves is the transmission mechanism. > With "Milli Vanilli," they took it to the extreme by having the "musicians" no longer sing themselves This simply proves my point, not detracts from it. You can try to make an AI into an actual human (see Miquela) but the fakeness of that is simply insurmountable. Miquela hasn't had breakout success. There's something very condescending in the elite culture of the past 10 years (it's starting to go away) that thinks you can get successful by being fake. It assumes the masses are stupid. They are not.
mrandish 1y ago
Personally, I have little interest in typing a text prompt and getting a complete song as an output. However, I will gladly pay serious money for a tool that interactively collaborates with me in a granular, iterative process of generating, adjusting and mixing individual instruments and sections toward a finished multi-track song project. Allow users to creatively engage by providing suggested starting places in the form of BPM, key and chord progressions or as brief audio and/or MIDI sketches. For example, let me give the AI a simple sketch of a couple bars of melody as MIDI notes, then have it give me back several variations of matching rhythm section and harmonies. Then take my textual feedback on adjustments I'd like but let me be specific when necessary, down to per-section or individual instrument. Ideally, the interface should look like a simplified multi-track DAW, making it easy for users to lock or unlock individual tracks so the AI knows what to keep and what to change as we creatively iterate. Once finished, provide output as both full mix and separate audio stems with optional MIDI for tracks with traditional instruments. Targeting this use case accomplishes two crucial things. First, it lowers the bar of quality the AI has to match to be useful and compelling. Let's face it, generating lyrics, melodies, instrumental performances and production techniques more compelling than a top notch team of humans is hard for an AI. Doing it every time and only in the form of a complete, fully produced song is currently nearly impossible. The second thing it does is increase the tangible value the AI can contribute right now. Today it can be the rhythm section I lack, tomorrow it can fill in for the session guitarist I need, next week it can help me come up with new chord progression ideas. It would be useful every time I want to create music, whether I need backing vocals, a tight bass riff, scary viola tremelos or just some musical inspiration. And nothing it did would have to be perfect to be insanely useful - because I can tweak individual audio stems and MIDI tracks far faster than trying to explain a certain swing shuffle feel in text prompts. Seriously, for a tool anything like what I've described, I'd be all-in for at least $30/mo if it's only half-assed. Once it's 3/4-assed put me down for $50/mo - and I'm not even a pro or semi-pro musician or producer, just a musical hobbyist who screws around making stuff no one else ever hears. Sure, actual music creators are a smaller market than music listeners but we're loyal, not as price sensitive and our needs for perfection in collaborators are far lower too. Plus, all those granular interactions as we iterate with your AI step-by-step towards "great", becomes invaluable training data - yet doesn't require us creators to surrender rights to our final output. For training data, the journey is (literally) the reward.
codergautam 1y ago
Blog post https://suno.com/blog/introducing-v4-5 https://suno.com/blog/introducing-v4-5
kelseyfrog 1y ago
The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actual practice and skills. It started as a way to help me decompress after therapy. I'd listen to a mini-album I made during the drive home. Eventually, I’d catch myself recalling a lyric in stressful moments elsewhere. That was the moment things clicked. The songs weren’t just a way for me to calm down on the way home, they were teaching me real emotional skills I could use in all parts of my life. I wasn’t consciously practicing mindfulness anymore; it was showing up on its own. Since then I’ve been iterating, writing lyrics that reflect emotional-cognitive skills, generating songs with them, and listening while I'm in the car. It's honestly changed my life in a subtle but deep way. We already have work songs, lullabies, marching music, and religious chants - all music that serves a purpose besides existing to be listened to. Music that exists to teach us ways of interacting is a largely untapped idea. This is the kind of functional application is what generative music is perfect for. Song can be so much more than listening to terminally romantic lyricists trying to speak to the lowest common denominator. They can teach us to be better versions of ourselves.
- zvitiate 1y ago
  Yup. My favorite genre by FAR is baroque. High quality recordings are not as wide as you’d expect, and no one’s really pumping out new baroque. V4.5 is noticeably better, even if the model shows the real “plagiaristic” aspect. Still, I’m excited about the product. The composer could probably use some chain of thought if it doesn’t already, and plan larger sequences and how they relate to each other. Suno is also probably the most ripe for a functional neurosymbolic model. CPE wrote an algorithm on counterpoint hundreds of years ago! https://www.reddit.com/r/classicalmusic/comments/4qul1b/create_one_of_31381059609_counterpoint_pieces/ https://www.reddit.com/r/classicalmusic/comments/4qul1b/crea... (Note the original site has been taken over, but you can access the original via way back. Unfortunately I couldn’t find a save where the generation demo works…but I swear it did! I used it at the time!)
tern 1y ago
The fact that LLMs compute an average of human culture is more apparent in music AIs than any other medium. You cannot get these things to do anything original, same as with images, designs and creative writing—and it's not an "intelligence" problem. I'm not sure if this is solvable, but I think it should be a bigger research topic. If anyone knows of any papers on this, I haven't found one yet (not sure what to search for).
- bongodongobob 1y ago
  Any musician will tell you most music isn't original. You just don't have the ear for it. You telling me Green Day's songs are all unique and original? Even jazz uses 6-2-5-1's over and over. Unless you only listen to avante garde prog rock or something, all of music is derivative. And that's ok. Every song being a unique snowflake isn't important. If you like it or it makes you feel something, that's all that matters.
  - Velorivox 1y ago
    All books are derivative too, the English ones use the same 26 characters over and over.
    - bongodongobob 1y ago
      You're intentionally missing the point, but ok.
    - marci 1y ago
      The 26 characters with a thousand @font-faces.
      - codedokode 1y ago
        It's actually surprising how many ways and styles humans invented to draw the same letters; that amount of talent and creativity AI models do not have, at least now.
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93po 1y ago
regular player on main site is entirely broken in firefox :(
jacooper 1y ago
This is going to be a life changer for youtubers and creatives who need background songs for their videos, you can now create tailored songs for whatever you need. Its great, however it sucked in other languages, sounding like a foreigner trying to speak like a local.
tylershuster 1y ago
I'm conflicted about this. I want to dislike it, but frankly I don't appreciate the actual musicianship in music the majority of the time. If I'm listening to something that has broad and long-lasting culture impact like Bach, or Britney Spears, it really matters more about how it's been received than the actual quality of the music. Or, if I'm listening to music just for the vibe, I really don't care how it's created, as long as it doesn't offend me auditorially. I'm really not listening actively. So I suppose that's a bit of an indictment of myself, but I don't think it's a serious character flaw in myself. I should probably just try to pay more attention to the people around me at all times. I have a lot of fun putting my own poetry in here and mashing it up with the styles that I enjoy listening to, or that I think would work well with the poem. Again, I don't want to like it, but I do.
killerstorm 1y ago
I'd be a lot more interested in AI which can take existing music as the base. I don't want a new song, I want to hear music I love in a new way. Like img2img but track2track.
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- vunderba 1y ago
  Have you actually looked at Suno? Img2Img is effectively "Cover mode" - you upload an existing WAV/MP3.
- natdempk 1y ago
  Check out audio upload with the Cover/Extend/Persona features on Suno. You can do a lot of stuff based on existing uploaded audio already.
dumpsterdiver 1y ago
If anyone is interested in the difference between "AI slop" and something with a couple thousand credits into it, here's my #soundseasons entry (I don't expect to place; the end needs work I didn't have the energy for (and I mean even if I did...)): # Original record scratch contest-style song https://suno.com/s/8MvZmfkDPIPmKLtm https://suno.com/s/8MvZmfkDPIPmKLtm And this is a good example how the "magic" is lost in a cover of that same contest entry with no attempt to curate: # v4.5 cover https://suno.com/s/KyCZZNn6PpL4JHbO https://suno.com/s/KyCZZNn6PpL4JHbO Here's another one I put a bit of time into, but with a much simpler structure. What I appreciated about the original were the emotions it stirred up when the notes came together just-so: # Original ambient synth https://suno.com/s/JtmmbdA2VtgO4drK https://suno.com/s/JtmmbdA2VtgO4drK New cover, pretty decent but it lost what I liked the most (haven't had great luck with v4.5 remasters yet, but I do a lot of weird things): # v4.5 cover https://suno.com/s/Gi8wy1QjUaHmYNKy https://suno.com/s/Gi8wy1QjUaHmYNKy # Original piano piece https://suno.com/s/yj8rHRRgJEWD83GY https://suno.com/s/yj8rHRRgJEWD83GY # v4.5 remaster https://suno.com/s/Xx5Y5SNl1MdDrLsO https://suno.com/s/Xx5Y5SNl1MdDrLsO When you ignore the stuff that humans shouldn't get credit for - e.g. I didn't "make" this song, or play any part in its "production", but I did "curate" it - there's still something left to give credit for, right? It's basically like a DJ digging through a mysterious crate of records.
- rntksi 1y ago
  If you have some time, could you write a short post about your process to make the thousand-credits outcome ? It sounds awesome and I want to learn
BeFlatXIII 1y ago
What I'd love more than generated audio files are if music AIs output sheet music or a Garage Band project file containing the same song. Much more useful to use as a musical base that way.
tsoa 1y ago
Where's defiant jazz?
- transitivebs 1y ago
  love this reference :)
Rochus 1y ago
Wow, this is just great. As a musician with computer science background (or vice versa) I'm just stunned. E.g. this track blew me away: https://suno.com/song/6478ac9a-00e9-4f7d-81bb-b0991001d236 https://suno.com/song/6478ac9a-00e9-4f7d-81bb-b0991001d236. The drums and the sax solo are just great, sound like from the best musicians on the planet. It's fasctinating what comes out of this grab bag with each click. EDIT: don't understand why this statement is downvoted; since when has HN been hostile to technology? Or if you think this is a paid bot comment, I'm real, here's my website: http://rochus-keller.ch/?cat=3 http://rochus-keller.ch/?cat=3
- isaacfrond 1y ago
  That is some cool jazz
nilslindemann 1y ago
My Groove list is better :)
kkoncevicius 1y ago
16-bit blends (i.e. 16-bit Portuguese) do not feel like proper 16-bit sound. Right now it probably blends the styles together, taking elements from both, but not following the required restrictions.
- sigotirandolas 1y ago
  Most of the electronic genres (house, trance...) sound very wrong. Lyrics are way overused, sound like eurodance, and are just overall disconnected from the music. The music feels very generic, as if you landed in the biggest tourist trap instead of a proper nightclub.
miffe 1y ago
Still not able to generate a "Italo disco, sea shanty". Me and my friends have been trying since v3 somthing.
88stacks 1y ago
I want an api version of suno!
neom 1y ago
It's gotten really good, I had it produce a track with double vocal harmonies as I instructed, it can also do echo and stuff now. I'm kinda annoyed that to try to remove the crispness they've just put dampening on it, it sounds... damp now... I'd take bright over damp.
spaceman_2020 1y ago
AI has killed my desire to write and make music. It all feels so pointless I increasingly feel like withdrawing from the internet as well. Half of the users are bots anyway
- abhpro 1y ago
  Well there will always be an audience that wants to hear what humans can mechanically pull off
- 0dayz 1y ago
  Let's put it this way, if you know how to listen to music as a musician then you'll quickly notice how it doesn't sound very good. So never feel discouraged because of slop.
- velcrobeg 1y ago
  plot twist: spaceman is a bot
userbinator 1y ago
I stumbled into the rabbithole of AI-generated music on Youtube several months ago, without realising it was AI, and I don't know if they're using Suno or some other generator, but I was impressed and entertained. I doubt it will replace real concerts but for background music and the like, it definitely does its job.
cryptonector 1y ago
I put in "milonga" and it didn't know what to do with it. I put in "tango" and it gave me a bandoneon solo that meandered jazz-like -- it wasn't bad, but it wasn't tango either. For "vals" it gave me more of what it gave me for "tango". For "candombé" it gave me nonsense. But all the pre-canned stuff sounded pretty good to me. I guess if I was familiar with "Russian techno" I might find what Suno generates for that to be garbage.
IAmGraydon 1y ago
I'm a musician and I've been pretty excited about AI music generation, which seems to stand in contrast to most musicians. So far though, the available AI music gens are just plain terrible, including Suno 4.5. Everything sounds exactly like what you would get if you bought a library of really bad loops and just layered some together. Boring rhythms. Boring harmonic progressions. Boring melody. Boring lyrics. It's just terrible. I just listened to around 100 song on Suno and I didn't find one that was even remotely interesting or even just fun to listen to. I'm not a music snob - I'll listen to everything from Sigur Ros to At the Drive-In to Insomnium to Ella Fitzgerald to Taylor Swift to Dua Lipa. I just want something that can grab my attention, show me something interesting, and generate a feeling. Here's the thing about music - what makes a good song is a sense of unexpected familiarity. In other words, it's based on a set of broad, familiar rules (music theory), but surprises you by implementing those rules in a way that's extremely unique and novel. Because generative AI is kind of like an averaging machine, rounding off the outliers, what you get is an example of the rules in the most boring, typical way possible. It completely lacks the element of surprise, and I'm not sure it will ever be capable of that essential element of surprise because of how it fundamentally works. If you want to generate a bunch of background elevator music, however, this seems to be extremely useful for that.
nikkwong 1y ago
The mood here is as notoriously cynical as I would expect from HN. Yeah, let's all brush this tech off as unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. Let's all tell ourselves that music requires that 'special human touch' or audiences will become bored, unimpressed and uninterested. But I'll bet you anything, the average ear won't care. This music is already as good as what's produceable by humans, and will be available for a fraction of the cost without the licensing fees. Be ready to see it popping up everywhere—in cafes, restaurants, on TV ads, on your next spotify playlist. These soundtracks will become ubiquitous, and these far cries in communities like these will become a marginalized minority just like any technology that's been superseded. Human generated music will still exist, of course, as the deep emotional ties that humans feel towards others (artists) cannot be replaced by this technology. But, there are massive use cases where that type emotional connection is not necessary (everything i noted prior, but also game & movie soundtracks, in waiting areas, tv shows, etc), where I would place a strong bet that this will eventually become even more commonplace than human generated music.
- otabdeveloper4 1y ago
  > Yeah, let's all brush this tech off as unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. The tech is great, it's the music it produces that's unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. > Be ready to see it popping up everywhere—in cafes, restaurants, on TV ads, on your next spotify playlist. So music will become even shittier going forward? Yay tech! Thanks for automating away the act of music listening! Seriously though, now that music-as-a-product has been killed by techbros, can we go back to music-as-an-act, like before? That would be the silver lining.
  - signatoremo 1y ago
    I'm sitting in a coffee shop reading this, and notice the music being played. It's pleasant enough that makes it a relaxing experience, but it evokes no emotion, which I don't mind because I'm on HN. I don't know who the composer or the artist is, and I won't be able to recall if I hear it again. How is that different than AI generated music? Human made music will continue to exist, but for me, just for me, a lot of it doesn't do anything at all and I wouldn't be able to tell if it's by human, let alone knowing the story behind them or the emotional connection the author had when making that piece of music. I'm sure many people who have better ear will be able to differentiate, but many others will not. You may say it's depressing, I call it reality.
joshu 1y ago
i want the reverse. i give it a song and it tells me what the description is, and then let me search other existing songs. i have a bunch of weird music that i like and not even their creator's other songs sound much like the one song that i like...
- omnibrain 1y ago
  My favourite example is a famous pop song: Desert Rose by Sting. There isn’t much else like it, I could find.
  - joshu 1y ago
    Exactly. I want fine grained per-song features/genres so I can find similar things.
satisfice 1y ago
What is it? I hate products that are soooo coooooool that they don't even bother to explain what they are. Something about music? okay. What else? Is it all fake music or something?
hargup 1y ago
There are some really fun songs in the "Search" section after you login. Example https://suno.com/s/xI4rAExMFVsEf1ZD https://suno.com/s/xI4rAExMFVsEf1ZD
carefish 1y ago
Am I one of the few that strongly dislikes verbiage like 'Commercial use rights for songs made while subscribed' on their billing page, it feels and smells an awful lot like 'You'll own nothing and you'll be happy'. Also feels like another race to the bottom for yet another creative field. Not trying to dissuade usage of tools like this by others but it leaves a bad after taste. Whilst it's not clear where the training data is coming from, how can I be sure that I won't accidentally trip up something like YouTube's Content Match tool or other companies whom act on behalf of a copyright holder? Or did I miss something?
albert_e 1y ago
A more simpler realization after playing around with the music player on the home page -- being able to skip tracks and sample a large variety of music tracks without any ads in between -- was pleasantly surprising! Everytime I clicked next I was subsconsciously cringing and expecting an unwelcome and jarring ad to blast through my speakers - and each time releived to actually be greeted by the next music track. What have we done to ourselves. It only feels like yesterday that the default was hoarding all your favourite tracks and playing them at will through winamp.
srrdev 1y ago
Excited to see Suno's model advance. We use it for rock vocals (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Zi0KXpSuQeQ https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Zi0KXpSuQeQ) because nobody in my band can sing. We do all the music and layer the vocals on top from the Suno-generated stems. All things considered, it's been great. We have, however, run through the "range" of rock vocalists. Suno must be under a bit of pressure to generate vocals that don't sound too much like any real singers that themselves are not derivative.
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Sammi 1y ago
Why can't I log in using my own email?! Why do I need a phone number or use a cloud provider? I don't want to be associated with any of those.
lifeartreality 1y ago
I write music to create experiences, help me understand myself, much better, and even communicate in relationships. Suno has become a huge part of journaling in my process that really brings the journal to life!

390 points by platers 1y ago

Feel they didn't really test these genres "Cajun synthpop chant" has no chanting or synths, it sounds more like country music with french woman vocals

TonyTrapp 1y ago
None of the Acid House samples have anything to do with Acid House either. The Jungle samples sound more like Liquid Drum & Bass.
- timeon 1y ago
  > The Jungle samples sound more like Liquid Drum & Bass. So another slop?
mclau157 1y ago
Agreed, Suno still very often does not follow instructions
svantana 1y ago
Yes, suno has definitely focused more on lyric and melody than prompt following. If the prompt is more than 3-4 words then it deteriorates pretty quickly. I think one reason is that there's not a lot of high quality descriptions of music around - you can guess the genre of the artist, and you can scrape reviews and the like, but that will be pretty noisy.
- natdempk 1y ago
  You can do a lot more detailed prompts with v4.5 than previously and instructions in [brackets] also go a long way now.
  - Mockapapella 1y ago
    Could you elaborate on the instructions in brackets part?
    - dumpsterdiver 1y ago
      Brackets such as [Verse] help provide waveform separation in the edit view so that you can easily edit that section without manually dragging the slider. Others such as [Interrupt] will provide a DJ-like fade-out / announcement (that was <Artist name>, next up..." / fade-in - providing an opportunity to break the AI out of repetitive loops it obsesses about. I've used [Bridge] successfully, and [Instrumental] [No vocals] work reliably as well (there are also instrumental options, but I still use brackets out of habit I guess).
    - natdempk 1y ago
      Sure, you can do a lot of things here... stuff in [brackets] isn't sung. For example I was trying to steer a melodic techno prompt recently in a better direction by putting stuff like this upfront: [intro - dramatic synths, pulsing techno bass] [organic percussive samples] [rolling galloping pulsing gritty bassline] [soaring experimental synths, modulation heavy, echos, sound design, 3d sound] [lush atmosphere, variation] [hypnotic groovy arppegiation arps] [sampled repetitive trippy vocal] All of this is just stuff I kind of made up and wanted in the song, but it meaningfully improved the output over just tags. I think "steering/nudging the generation space" is a decent idea for how I feel like this affects the output. I also often use them to structure things around song structure like [intro], [break], [chorus], and even get more descriptive with these describing things or moments I'd like to happen. Again adherence is not perfect, but seems to help steer things. One of my favorite tags I've seen is [Suck the entire song through vacuum] and well... I choose to believe, check out 1:29 https://suno.com/s/xdIDhlKQUed0Dp1I https://suno.com/s/xdIDhlKQUed0Dp1I Worth playing around with a bunch, especially if you're not quite getting something interesting or in the direction you want.
lucasoshiro 1y ago
When I try to mix genres that are too different, it chooses only one of them and ignore the others... let's see if it's better in the new version
- whywhywhywhy 1y ago
  Makes it weird they chose to demo it like this imho when it's not good at that. This design makes it look like its specifically that being shown off.
ofrzeta 1y ago
I tested around five genres although they were more mainstream than what you picked and they were quite good, for instance French Ska. If someone told me it was an actual French Ska band I wouldn't have doubted it. Or Klezmer music, but maybe the Jiddish wasn't totally correct.
- otabdeveloper4 1y ago
  All of the non-English lyrics are so cringe as to border on intentional parody.
  - ofrzeta 1y ago
    Good call. Need to test some songs in my mother tongue.

smusamashah 1y ago

I tried Urdu. The music quality seems good but the pronunciation is wrong (e.g. slight aa sound instead of ee sound) for many simple common words and helper words. But I don't understand why its wrong. If its trained on lots of Urdu/Hindi music, no one pronounces those words like that. How does it get the a/e wrong while still singing almost correctly? It's weird.

aidenn0 1y ago
The vowels sound subtly wrong for English on the alternative rock station, but that might just be Eddie Vedder being in the training set...
- brookst 1y ago
  Eddies in the training set

hombre_fatal 1y ago

That's a sick UI gimmick. And it's even cleverly mobile friendly.

visarga 1y ago

I can't get Suno to obey the style tags, it's as if they are not used at all in generating the output, or massively changed. Maybe they do the same trick Gemini used to generate the black queen of England. Or it's a trick to waste our credits faster, the only way to get something decent is to spin the dice many times.

logicchains 1y ago
It seems to lean heavily on the lyrics when choosing the style; if you pick a style that doesn't match well with the lyrics, it'll kinda ignore it.
- XenophileJKO 1y ago
  I'm still experimenting with what works and doesn't work. Currently for style I am trying things like: ----- STYLE: Earth Circuit Fusion INSTRUMENTATION: - Deep analog synth bass with subtle distortion - Hybrid percussion combining djembe and electronic glitches - Polytonal synth arpeggios with unpredictable patterns - Processed field recordings for atmospheric texture - Circuit-bent toys creating unexpected melodic accents VOCAL APPROACH: - Female vocalist with rich mid-range and clear upper register - Intimate yet confident delivery with controlled vibrato - Layered whisper-singing technique in verses - Full-voiced chorus delivery with slight emotional rasp - Spoken-word elements layered under bridge melodies - Stacked fifth harmonies creating ethereal chorus quality PRODUCTION: - Grainy tape saturation on organic elements - Juxtaposition of lo-fi and hi-fi within same sections - Strategic arrangement dropouts for dramatic impact - Glitch transition effects between sections --- One thing I have noticed with the new model is that it listens to direction in the lyrics more now, for example [whispered] or [bass drop], etc. There are clear limits. I have been unsuccessful in spacial arrangement. EDIT: I realized I didn't specify, this is when you do custom and you specify the lyrics and the style separately.
natdempk 1y ago
v4.5 is a lot better at adherence with detailed descriptions! Still not totally adherent, but if you can steer it with genre, detailed descriptions of genre, and elements of the genre it's way better than v4. Some descriptions work better than others so there's some experimentation to figure out what works for what you're trying to achieve. You can also provide descriptions in [brackets] in the lyrics that work reasonably well in my experience. Disclaimer: I work there as a SWE.

cdrini 1y ago

That is a very cool UI; super fun to just hit random and find new niche genres/styles. I'd never heard of klezmer, for example, but such a nice style! I don't know if it's the music, but it's been a while since a website has put this big a grin on my face! I keep wanting to save some of the songs I hear. Damn, I don't think I would really be able to tell in a blind test that these were AI.

lucasoshiro 1y ago
> That is a very cool UI; I really don't like that UI. It's hard to read, and when I found something it slips. Too much form over function > I keep wanting to save some of the songs I hear. Just click the title of the song. If you have an account you can add to favorites, download, etc.
- cdrini 1y ago
  Ah the title isn't visible on mobile for me!
  - lucasoshiro 1y ago
    Well, I never used Suno on mobile, perhaps it's that! Here on desktop it's ok
    - ignoramous 1y ago
      On my 16gigs octa-core Ubuntu box, the UI stutters.
NexRebular 1y ago
They should make it easier to download the songs. There's so much music that could be used commercially instead of expensive licensing. Someone could even set up a venture to record era-appropriate AI music to a cassette or vinyl and start selling them. Oh, the joys of infinite public domain music!
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DataDaemon 1y ago

"I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes."

no_no_no_no 1y ago
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hiccuphippo 1y ago
If you enjoy doing art and writing then great, AI will never take that from you. If it's your job, then it can take some of the load from you so you can go do things you enjoy.
vlaaad 1y ago
Should we tell him?

progbits 1y ago

Aren't they still in active lawsuit with Sony etc about training on music without license? Yet still releasing new products? I guess they are hoping for the Uber outcome where they earn enough money during the illegal phase so they can pay some tiny fine and keep going.

ronsor 1y ago
Illegal? If the record companies were so obviously going to win, they could've obtained a preliminary injunction to stop Suno's business. They didn't, so the service continues.
- __loam 1y ago
  Pretty sure napster also continued to operate during ongoing legal actions but I am not a lawyer
pier25 1y ago
AFAIK the lawsuit is still ongoing. Suno admitted to train their models with copyrighted music and are now defending the position that music copyrights and royalties are bad for the future of music.
- randyrand 1y ago
  I think it's more straightforward to argue it's transformative fair use.
  - 93po 1y ago
    fair use requires it be non-profit which doesnt work for suno
    - brookst 1y ago
      I don’t think that’s true. Parodies are protected as transformative fair use and plenty of them are for-profit.

andrewclunn 1y ago

I've been doing music composition and songwriting as a hobby for a decade. 4.0 is where Suno added enough features where workshopping things conceptually there first made it worth it, even for someone who can and often will, break apart stems into composite instruments and then manually adjust as needed. People always worry about what this means at the low effort "spray and pray" approach to music, but ultimately, it also allows for faster and cheaper iteration and development for all involved. Is the finished product ultimately "better" though? You be the judge. For comparison, here's a song where I forced myself to do everything within Suno (took less than a week): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6mJcXxoppc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6mJcXxoppc And here's one where I did the manual composition, worked with session artists, and it took a couple months and cost me several hundred dollars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5JcEnU-x3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5JcEnU-x3s

arnaudsm 1y ago

The biggest impact Generative Music had on my life was for wedding skits. Families that wanted a funny song about the bride filled with anecdotes didn't need talent anymore. The first time I heard it, it was incredible. The 2nd wedding that did it, it started to feel boring. The 3rd time, everyone hated it. Similar to image-generation, we're getting tired really fast of cookie-cutter art. I don't know how to feel about it.

cactusplant7374 1y ago
I'm sure if you lied and told everyone that you hired someone to create the tune they would like it again.
- recursive 1y ago
  I'm not.
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jbm 1y ago
I enjoy playing with Suno as a toy to flesh out bits and pieces of creative ideas I have that I cannot complete at my current stage in life. Weird, stupid things. Writing theme songs for TV shows that don't exist, finding ways to translate song types from culture A to culture B, BGM for a video game you want to make, a sales song for Shikoku 1889 to sell Iyo railway shares, etc... Some of us have zero cultural influence and services like Suno mean we aren't listening to the original brainrot (popular music). Sure, you might create garbage but it's your garbage and you aren't stuck waiting for someone to throw you a bone. I love Suno, it's a rare subscription that is fun.
- animanoir 1y ago
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- gs17 1y ago
  I agree, you can make stupid ideas happen without having to make a huge investment in something you want to hear as a joke. There was a metal song I thought had lyrics that would also work as pop-country and I did quick cover of it on Suno to see if I was right. I'm pretty sure that I actually could, if I really wanted to, create this cover legitimately and even put it on Spotify with royalties going to the original artists (it seems they have a blanket mechanical license for a lot of works). But it was a "gag" song that probably has a market of just me, so hiring a team of people would be a lot of time and money for 3 minutes of a giggle. I also would have to worry about things like if it's changed too much to be a cover and getting sued for putting in extra effort.

sgt 1y ago

If you actually know some of the languages and you realize they are just singing jibberish (much worse than actual real songs), it's impossible to listen to. The instrumental ones can be great.

jbm 1y ago
I speak Japanese — I'm pretty sure it isn't gibberish when I put in custom lyrics. (It does sometime read Kanji wrong but not when you put in the pronunciation) I can't say anything about autogenerated lyrics.
moralestapia 1y ago
Nope, on the Spanish stations I listened to, it's great. Which one are you referring to?
bradleykingz 1y ago
I love listening to African folk music. I don't understand the lyrics but really enjoy the music. I've found some okay but listening to "meaningless" music doesn't sit right with me
coumbaya 1y ago
The French ones I listened to where legit
hiccuphippo 1y ago
The Beatles had a song with a gibberish mix of Spanish, Portuguese and Italian and I very much enjoy it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bNMxWGHlTI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bNMxWGHlTI Cuando para mucho mi amore de felice corazón...

bobajeff 1y ago

I had not known that this was AI until reading the comments here. I was really enjoying the 'anti-folk big band' station. Now I'm sure that's just a nonsense genre but that nonsense was more enjoyable than the stuff I've found on Spotify. I'm not sure what that says about me or the state of music but I did not expect it to be this capable yet.

moralestapia 1y ago
Hmm, got interested on listening to that one station due to your comment, but couldn't find it anywhere.
- scotty79 1y ago
  big band alt-country it's first in one of the rows, on the left
- Recursing 1y ago
  You can ctrl+F and scroll until it pops up edm anti-folk is also great: https://suno.com/song/47f0585c-ca41-4002-9d7f-fe71f85e0c62 https://suno.com/song/47f0585c-ca41-4002-9d7f-fe71f85e0c62
  - moralestapia 1y ago
    Found it! It's kind of good, yeah!
drabbiticus 1y ago
The music that Suno generates as anti-folk is pretty aesthetic, but when you read into what anti-folk is meant to be as a genre, I can't help but feel that an AI algorithm spitting out music and lyrics is pretty far from anti-commercial ethos espoused by the antifolk movement.
- hfgjbcgjbvg 1y ago
  It’s too bad AI is associated with commercialism when it’s a product of academia.

S0y 1y ago

Honestly it baffles me at this point that Suno keeps trying to generate lyrics when everything else it generates sounds so good. All of these example get ruined by the most simple and boring lyrics imaginable. Poetry is an art and clearly the model doesn't yet grasp all of its nuances like it does for the rest of the "composition". At this point the only thing that gives this away as AI generated are the vocals.

natdempk 1y ago
Have you tried out the Remi lyrics model in custom mode? It’s a lot more unhinged and creative in both very good and very… interesting ways. I’d check it out if you’re interested in lyrics generation.
S0y 1y ago
>Take the plunge in the strength of the breakbeat, >Among the stars, where the dreams and freedom meet. >Finding the ecstasy of life’s uncharted quest, >In every pulse of the music, feel the zest. Like... what?
otabdeveloper4 1y ago
> At this point the only thing that gives this away as AI generated are the vocals. Only because the bar for music is so low nowadays. Thankfully poetry hasn't been commodified yet liked music has.
johnfn 1y ago
Yeah, I find it funny that they have this super strong music generation model, but then they use what could only be GPT 3.5 for lyrics.
- RugnirViking 1y ago
  I think it's because, like a first year writing student trying poetry, it tries a little too hard to make the lyrics coherent and storytelling in a script read from a page. A lot of real song lyrics have a whole lot of repetition, non sequiturs, and break grammar rules to fit the meter better

jppope 1y ago

Love the site, and impressed by what they generated there. With that said... I'm starting to feel like music might be the last thing to be affected by Generative AI. I IV V with different accents over the music and different drum sounds is fine, but thats not really music. It's pretty bad when you can pick out the chords progression in 5 sec. Cue the infamous 4-chord song skit by Axis of Awesome.

netdevphoenix 1y ago
> I IV V with different accents over the music and different drum sounds is fine, but thats not really music Music is more about the human that made it and their relation to you than the sound properties themselves. Same as other art. The more indirect the music process and the further you are from the living experience of the human creator, the less it resembles art. I feel art is more of an spectrum rather than a binary switch and the metric is how much direct human involvement did the audio experience have in terms that you can relate to. Remove the human completely and you just have sound. It is likely that something like bepop, gabber or industrial synthwave would have been considered "sounds" rather than art by medieval folks or Mesopotamian people if they heard the sounds without knowing whether the source was human or not. Same with us if we were to heard some music from the year 3200 or 4500, we would likely not consider it music.
- jppope 1y ago
  thats exactly what I'm feeling. GenAi for images or text is useful, it feels like the resolved values can be added to things or accomplish a purpose. The GenAI music feels like sound (as you put it) - like great its there, but thats not music.
postexitus 1y ago
I actually am of the exact opposite opinion. With image / text / video, I am much more able to differentiate between AI vs human. However in music - there is so much badly done human music as well, for me it's nearly impossible to understand the difference between a badly done human music and a high fidelity AI music (the chord progression, happens as often in human music). Moreover, I have put Suno AI on playlist mode before and it's actually been enjoyable, and I am a big AI sceptic! Sometimes even more so than Spotify's own (although they've been accused of putting AI music on playlists as well - but I am fairly sure the weak stuff that put me off was by humans - did I say I cannot differentiate?). Especially some music genres - like Japanese Vocaloid ; Power Metal, some country, where certain genre specific things overwhelm the piece, AI does a very good job in mimicking those from the best of the best and put meagre efforts to shame. Here is one AI song I generated in an earlier version of Suno - let me know if anything stands out as AI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5JcEnU-x3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5JcEnU-x3s and another I recorded in my studio with an artist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6mJcXxoppc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6mJcXxoppc

iandanforth 1y ago

I recommend clicking around on genres for languages you don't speak. The songs sound great as long as you don't know what they are saying. Lyrics are still a very weak point for AI music, still, infinite enjoyment as long as you're ignorant of the flaws!

TheAceOfHearts 1y ago

One of Suno's biggest weakness is their lyrics generation, and that you can't generate lyrics without also generating a song. I think it's better to use a different LLM to generate and iterate on lyrics, which you can then pass to Suno in order to generate a final song. If anyone here has a subscription and they can spare the tokens, I think it would be fun if someone shared a song about Hacker News. I'm hoping that in the future tools like Suno will allow you to produce / generate songs as projects which you can tweak in greater detail; basically a way of making music by "vibe coding". With 4.0 the annotation capabilities were still a bit limited, and the singer could end up mispronouncing things without any way to fix or specify the correct pronunciation. This blog post mentions that with 4.5 they enhanced prompt interpretations, but it doesn't actually go into any technical details nor does it provide clear examples to get a real sense of the changes.

idoxer 1y ago
Another thing I did with LLM which I found very useful, is to give the LLM an existing song lyrics and ask him to do a similar one with different subject I give him
whoomp12342 1y ago
you can do this... just toggle to "custom" mode on song generation
Jordan-117 1y ago
Their biggest weakness is that every voice has a persistent synthy quality, like it's a vocaloid it's being sung into one of those tinny microphone toys for kids. I find Udio has much more natural-sounding vocals.
- ojosilva 1y ago
  Udio has these random "halfway" singer voices that I find really interesting to listen to - a little uncanny-valleyish sometimes but interesting nonetheless. Depending on genre it can be a Nat-Sinatra, a Whitney-Dion, etc., it's really cool. It would be great if it could be saved from a song then loaded back for a new one on demand.

particle_theory 1y ago

I got suno to render a song that I used to sing to my daughter when she was a baby. After some amount of fiddling, it produced something quite nice and for this I am eternally grateful to AI.

n8m8 1y ago

I still hear hissing on many of the examples, has that improved?

tmaly 1y ago

I honestly would like to see an open source music model that can generate the stems

fuzzythinker 1y ago

Love the UI! Beautiful and great for exploration.

nusaru 1y ago

Immediately got a banger: "Dimensions of being" https://suno.com/song/dd3dbde0-4df6-4aec-a9be-bd2f64c281c8 https://suno.com/song/dd3dbde0-4df6-4aec-a9be-bd2f64c281c8

ignoramous 1y ago
Got this Urdu song https://suno.com/song/4c5837c9-26ae-430e-839d-3cdf8d8cbcb0 https://suno.com/song/4c5837c9-26ae-430e-839d-3cdf8d8cbcb0 (https://archive.vn/pLMHD https://archive.vn/pLMHD) and it is hauntingly meaningless, which makes it ... unique? Lyrics doesn't seem to be Suno's strong suit (and Urdu particularly has a rich poetry tradition), but it won't remain as ridiculous for long. Exciting times!
comex 1y ago
Hmm. Still has the biggest issue I’ve observed with AI songs in the past: the lyrics don’t have a consistent or pleasing rhythm. It seems like the lyrics are generated with little regard to rhythm, then the melody is generated and tries to fit the lyrics without being able to change them. The result is a song where verses constantly have too many syllables (resulting in them spilling into the next meter when adjacent verses don’t), or too few syllables (resulting in awkward rests), or syllables with the wrong stresses. Occasionally the singing tries to compensate by just skipping syllables. In the second verse, the word “whispering” is replaced by an indistinct two-syllable word that sounds like “forming”. In the chorus, the phrase “the dimensions” merges the first two syllables to sound like “the mentions”. Someday, I’m sure, Suno will find a way to fix this issue. But today isn’t that day.
IAmGraydon 1y ago
You don't feel like this is incredibly generic?

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cynicalpeace 1y ago

I have a hypothesis that AI music and other arts will not take off. My reasoning is that the fact that it was made by another human is really important. Not only because you might think a piece of music is lame because it was made by AI vs a human. But also because all the things that bring you back to a piece of art is wrapped up in the person that made it. People who are immense fans of the Beatles, Taylor Swift or Kanye West illustrate this point. You keep coming back because you liked this person's music before, and so you can't wait to preorder their music in the future. Same goes for books, paintings and really all other art I can think of. An artist develops a following that snowballs into their music being broadly consumed. There are "AI music artists" that have been around for a decade. Miquela is the one I know about. But in that timespan, hundreds of human artists have developed followings and cultural sway that far outweigh what Miquela has done. It seems more and more that AI is simply another tool for humans to use. Rather than a replacement altogether of humans.

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Rochus 1y ago
> My reasoning is that the fact that it was made by another human is really important. This presupposes that people are still able to tell the difference between computer-generated and human-generated music, which, in my opinion (as a trained musician and former producer), is no longer the case for the majority of people. Music and musicians undoubtedly also fulfill an "idol function." But the industry has long since provided an answer to this, for example with highly successful, artificially optimized boy or girl groups. With "Milli Vanilli," they took it to the extreme by having the "musicians" no longer sing themselves, but were chosen solely for their effect on the audience. This also works with computer-generated music, only much cheaper.
- cynicalpeace 1y ago
  "Wow this song is great! Who's song is this?" "It's AI!" "Oh." I've literally seen this happen, in person. The song doesn't get passed to friends. The artist themselves is the transmission mechanism. > With "Milli Vanilli," they took it to the extreme by having the "musicians" no longer sing themselves This simply proves my point, not detracts from it. You can try to make an AI into an actual human (see Miquela) but the fakeness of that is simply insurmountable. Miquela hasn't had breakout success. There's something very condescending in the elite culture of the past 10 years (it's starting to go away) that thinks you can get successful by being fake. It assumes the masses are stupid. They are not.

mrandish 1y ago

Personally, I have little interest in typing a text prompt and getting a complete song as an output. However, I will gladly pay serious money for a tool that interactively collaborates with me in a granular, iterative process of generating, adjusting and mixing individual instruments and sections toward a finished multi-track song project. Allow users to creatively engage by providing suggested starting places in the form of BPM, key and chord progressions or as brief audio and/or MIDI sketches. For example, let me give the AI a simple sketch of a couple bars of melody as MIDI notes, then have it give me back several variations of matching rhythm section and harmonies. Then take my textual feedback on adjustments I'd like but let me be specific when necessary, down to per-section or individual instrument. Ideally, the interface should look like a simplified multi-track DAW, making it easy for users to lock or unlock individual tracks so the AI knows what to keep and what to change as we creatively iterate. Once finished, provide output as both full mix and separate audio stems with optional MIDI for tracks with traditional instruments. Targeting this use case accomplishes two crucial things. First, it lowers the bar of quality the AI has to match to be useful and compelling. Let's face it, generating lyrics, melodies, instrumental performances and production techniques more compelling than a top notch team of humans is hard for an AI. Doing it every time and only in the form of a complete, fully produced song is currently nearly impossible. The second thing it does is increase the tangible value the AI can contribute right now. Today it can be the rhythm section I lack, tomorrow it can fill in for the session guitarist I need, next week it can help me come up with new chord progression ideas. It would be useful every time I want to create music, whether I need backing vocals, a tight bass riff, scary viola tremelos or just some musical inspiration. And nothing it did would have to be perfect to be insanely useful - because I can tweak individual audio stems and MIDI tracks far faster than trying to explain a certain swing shuffle feel in text prompts. Seriously, for a tool anything like what I've described, I'd be all-in for at least $30/mo if it's only half-assed. Once it's 3/4-assed put me down for $50/mo - and I'm not even a pro or semi-pro musician or producer, just a musical hobbyist who screws around making stuff no one else ever hears. Sure, actual music creators are a smaller market than music listeners but we're loyal, not as price sensitive and our needs for perfection in collaborators are far lower too. Plus, all those granular interactions as we iterate with your AI step-by-step towards "great", becomes invaluable training data - yet doesn't require us creators to surrender rights to our final output. For training data, the journey is (literally) the reward.

codergautam 1y ago

Blog post https://suno.com/blog/introducing-v4-5 https://suno.com/blog/introducing-v4-5

kelseyfrog 1y ago

The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actual practice and skills. It started as a way to help me decompress after therapy. I'd listen to a mini-album I made during the drive home. Eventually, I’d catch myself recalling a lyric in stressful moments elsewhere. That was the moment things clicked. The songs weren’t just a way for me to calm down on the way home, they were teaching me real emotional skills I could use in all parts of my life. I wasn’t consciously practicing mindfulness anymore; it was showing up on its own. Since then I’ve been iterating, writing lyrics that reflect emotional-cognitive skills, generating songs with them, and listening while I'm in the car. It's honestly changed my life in a subtle but deep way. We already have work songs, lullabies, marching music, and religious chants - all music that serves a purpose besides existing to be listened to. Music that exists to teach us ways of interacting is a largely untapped idea. This is the kind of functional application is what generative music is perfect for. Song can be so much more than listening to terminally romantic lyricists trying to speak to the lowest common denominator. They can teach us to be better versions of ourselves.

zvitiate 1y ago
Yup. My favorite genre by FAR is baroque. High quality recordings are not as wide as you’d expect, and no one’s really pumping out new baroque. V4.5 is noticeably better, even if the model shows the real “plagiaristic” aspect. Still, I’m excited about the product. The composer could probably use some chain of thought if it doesn’t already, and plan larger sequences and how they relate to each other. Suno is also probably the most ripe for a functional neurosymbolic model. CPE wrote an algorithm on counterpoint hundreds of years ago! https://www.reddit.com/r/classicalmusic/comments/4qul1b/create_one_of_31381059609_counterpoint_pieces/ https://www.reddit.com/r/classicalmusic/comments/4qul1b/crea... (Note the original site has been taken over, but you can access the original via way back. Unfortunately I couldn’t find a save where the generation demo works…but I swear it did! I used it at the time!)

tern 1y ago

The fact that LLMs compute an average of human culture is more apparent in music AIs than any other medium. You cannot get these things to do anything original, same as with images, designs and creative writing—and it's not an "intelligence" problem. I'm not sure if this is solvable, but I think it should be a bigger research topic. If anyone knows of any papers on this, I haven't found one yet (not sure what to search for).

bongodongobob 1y ago
Any musician will tell you most music isn't original. You just don't have the ear for it. You telling me Green Day's songs are all unique and original? Even jazz uses 6-2-5-1's over and over. Unless you only listen to avante garde prog rock or something, all of music is derivative. And that's ok. Every song being a unique snowflake isn't important. If you like it or it makes you feel something, that's all that matters.
- Velorivox 1y ago
  All books are derivative too, the English ones use the same 26 characters over and over.
  - bongodongobob 1y ago
    You're intentionally missing the point, but ok.
  - marci 1y ago
    The 26 characters with a thousand @font-faces.
    - codedokode 1y ago
      It's actually surprising how many ways and styles humans invented to draw the same letters; that amount of talent and creativity AI models do not have, at least now.
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93po 1y ago

regular player on main site is entirely broken in firefox :(

jacooper 1y ago

This is going to be a life changer for youtubers and creatives who need background songs for their videos, you can now create tailored songs for whatever you need. Its great, however it sucked in other languages, sounding like a foreigner trying to speak like a local.

tylershuster 1y ago

I'm conflicted about this. I want to dislike it, but frankly I don't appreciate the actual musicianship in music the majority of the time. If I'm listening to something that has broad and long-lasting culture impact like Bach, or Britney Spears, it really matters more about how it's been received than the actual quality of the music. Or, if I'm listening to music just for the vibe, I really don't care how it's created, as long as it doesn't offend me auditorially. I'm really not listening actively. So I suppose that's a bit of an indictment of myself, but I don't think it's a serious character flaw in myself. I should probably just try to pay more attention to the people around me at all times. I have a lot of fun putting my own poetry in here and mashing it up with the styles that I enjoy listening to, or that I think would work well with the poem. Again, I don't want to like it, but I do.

killerstorm 1y ago

I'd be a lot more interested in AI which can take existing music as the base. I don't want a new song, I want to hear music I love in a new way. Like img2img but track2track.

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vunderba 1y ago
Have you actually looked at Suno? Img2Img is effectively "Cover mode" - you upload an existing WAV/MP3.
natdempk 1y ago
Check out audio upload with the Cover/Extend/Persona features on Suno. You can do a lot of stuff based on existing uploaded audio already.

dumpsterdiver 1y ago

If anyone is interested in the difference between "AI slop" and something with a couple thousand credits into it, here's my #soundseasons entry (I don't expect to place; the end needs work I didn't have the energy for (and I mean even if I did...)): # Original record scratch contest-style song https://suno.com/s/8MvZmfkDPIPmKLtm https://suno.com/s/8MvZmfkDPIPmKLtm And this is a good example how the "magic" is lost in a cover of that same contest entry with no attempt to curate: # v4.5 cover https://suno.com/s/KyCZZNn6PpL4JHbO https://suno.com/s/KyCZZNn6PpL4JHbO Here's another one I put a bit of time into, but with a much simpler structure. What I appreciated about the original were the emotions it stirred up when the notes came together just-so: # Original ambient synth https://suno.com/s/JtmmbdA2VtgO4drK https://suno.com/s/JtmmbdA2VtgO4drK New cover, pretty decent but it lost what I liked the most (haven't had great luck with v4.5 remasters yet, but I do a lot of weird things): # v4.5 cover https://suno.com/s/Gi8wy1QjUaHmYNKy https://suno.com/s/Gi8wy1QjUaHmYNKy # Original piano piece https://suno.com/s/yj8rHRRgJEWD83GY https://suno.com/s/yj8rHRRgJEWD83GY # v4.5 remaster https://suno.com/s/Xx5Y5SNl1MdDrLsO https://suno.com/s/Xx5Y5SNl1MdDrLsO When you ignore the stuff that humans shouldn't get credit for - e.g. I didn't "make" this song, or play any part in its "production", but I did "curate" it - there's still something left to give credit for, right? It's basically like a DJ digging through a mysterious crate of records.

rntksi 1y ago
If you have some time, could you write a short post about your process to make the thousand-credits outcome ? It sounds awesome and I want to learn

BeFlatXIII 1y ago

What I'd love more than generated audio files are if music AIs output sheet music or a Garage Band project file containing the same song. Much more useful to use as a musical base that way.

tsoa 1y ago

Where's defiant jazz?

transitivebs 1y ago
love this reference :)

Rochus 1y ago

Wow, this is just great. As a musician with computer science background (or vice versa) I'm just stunned. E.g. this track blew me away: https://suno.com/song/6478ac9a-00e9-4f7d-81bb-b0991001d236 https://suno.com/song/6478ac9a-00e9-4f7d-81bb-b0991001d236. The drums and the sax solo are just great, sound like from the best musicians on the planet. It's fasctinating what comes out of this grab bag with each click. EDIT: don't understand why this statement is downvoted; since when has HN been hostile to technology? Or if you think this is a paid bot comment, I'm real, here's my website: http://rochus-keller.ch/?cat=3 http://rochus-keller.ch/?cat=3

isaacfrond 1y ago
That is some cool jazz

nilslindemann 1y ago

My Groove list is better :)

kkoncevicius 1y ago

16-bit blends (i.e. 16-bit Portuguese) do not feel like proper 16-bit sound. Right now it probably blends the styles together, taking elements from both, but not following the required restrictions.

sigotirandolas 1y ago
Most of the electronic genres (house, trance...) sound very wrong. Lyrics are way overused, sound like eurodance, and are just overall disconnected from the music. The music feels very generic, as if you landed in the biggest tourist trap instead of a proper nightclub.

miffe 1y ago

Still not able to generate a "Italo disco, sea shanty". Me and my friends have been trying since v3 somthing.

88stacks 1y ago

I want an api version of suno!

neom 1y ago

It's gotten really good, I had it produce a track with double vocal harmonies as I instructed, it can also do echo and stuff now. I'm kinda annoyed that to try to remove the crispness they've just put dampening on it, it sounds... damp now... I'd take bright over damp.

spaceman_2020 1y ago

AI has killed my desire to write and make music. It all feels so pointless I increasingly feel like withdrawing from the internet as well. Half of the users are bots anyway

abhpro 1y ago
Well there will always be an audience that wants to hear what humans can mechanically pull off
0dayz 1y ago
Let's put it this way, if you know how to listen to music as a musician then you'll quickly notice how it doesn't sound very good. So never feel discouraged because of slop.
velcrobeg 1y ago
plot twist: spaceman is a bot

userbinator 1y ago

I stumbled into the rabbithole of AI-generated music on Youtube several months ago, without realising it was AI, and I don't know if they're using Suno or some other generator, but I was impressed and entertained. I doubt it will replace real concerts but for background music and the like, it definitely does its job.

cryptonector 1y ago

I put in "milonga" and it didn't know what to do with it. I put in "tango" and it gave me a bandoneon solo that meandered jazz-like -- it wasn't bad, but it wasn't tango either. For "vals" it gave me more of what it gave me for "tango". For "candombé" it gave me nonsense. But all the pre-canned stuff sounded pretty good to me. I guess if I was familiar with "Russian techno" I might find what Suno generates for that to be garbage.

IAmGraydon 1y ago

I'm a musician and I've been pretty excited about AI music generation, which seems to stand in contrast to most musicians. So far though, the available AI music gens are just plain terrible, including Suno 4.5. Everything sounds exactly like what you would get if you bought a library of really bad loops and just layered some together. Boring rhythms. Boring harmonic progressions. Boring melody. Boring lyrics. It's just terrible. I just listened to around 100 song on Suno and I didn't find one that was even remotely interesting or even just fun to listen to. I'm not a music snob - I'll listen to everything from Sigur Ros to At the Drive-In to Insomnium to Ella Fitzgerald to Taylor Swift to Dua Lipa. I just want something that can grab my attention, show me something interesting, and generate a feeling. Here's the thing about music - what makes a good song is a sense of unexpected familiarity. In other words, it's based on a set of broad, familiar rules (music theory), but surprises you by implementing those rules in a way that's extremely unique and novel. Because generative AI is kind of like an averaging machine, rounding off the outliers, what you get is an example of the rules in the most boring, typical way possible. It completely lacks the element of surprise, and I'm not sure it will ever be capable of that essential element of surprise because of how it fundamentally works. If you want to generate a bunch of background elevator music, however, this seems to be extremely useful for that.

nikkwong 1y ago

The mood here is as notoriously cynical as I would expect from HN. Yeah, let's all brush this tech off as unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. Let's all tell ourselves that music requires that 'special human touch' or audiences will become bored, unimpressed and uninterested. But I'll bet you anything, the average ear won't care. This music is already as good as what's produceable by humans, and will be available for a fraction of the cost without the licensing fees. Be ready to see it popping up everywhere—in cafes, restaurants, on TV ads, on your next spotify playlist. These soundtracks will become ubiquitous, and these far cries in communities like these will become a marginalized minority just like any technology that's been superseded. Human generated music will still exist, of course, as the deep emotional ties that humans feel towards others (artists) cannot be replaced by this technology. But, there are massive use cases where that type emotional connection is not necessary (everything i noted prior, but also game & movie soundtracks, in waiting areas, tv shows, etc), where I would place a strong bet that this will eventually become even more commonplace than human generated music.

otabdeveloper4 1y ago
> Yeah, let's all brush this tech off as unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. The tech is great, it's the music it produces that's unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. > Be ready to see it popping up everywhere—in cafes, restaurants, on TV ads, on your next spotify playlist. So music will become even shittier going forward? Yay tech! Thanks for automating away the act of music listening! Seriously though, now that music-as-a-product has been killed by techbros, can we go back to music-as-an-act, like before? That would be the silver lining.
- signatoremo 1y ago
  I'm sitting in a coffee shop reading this, and notice the music being played. It's pleasant enough that makes it a relaxing experience, but it evokes no emotion, which I don't mind because I'm on HN. I don't know who the composer or the artist is, and I won't be able to recall if I hear it again. How is that different than AI generated music? Human made music will continue to exist, but for me, just for me, a lot of it doesn't do anything at all and I wouldn't be able to tell if it's by human, let alone knowing the story behind them or the emotional connection the author had when making that piece of music. I'm sure many people who have better ear will be able to differentiate, but many others will not. You may say it's depressing, I call it reality.

joshu 1y ago

i want the reverse. i give it a song and it tells me what the description is, and then let me search other existing songs. i have a bunch of weird music that i like and not even their creator's other songs sound much like the one song that i like...

omnibrain 1y ago
My favourite example is a famous pop song: Desert Rose by Sting. There isn’t much else like it, I could find.
- joshu 1y ago
  Exactly. I want fine grained per-song features/genres so I can find similar things.

satisfice 1y ago

What is it? I hate products that are soooo coooooool that they don't even bother to explain what they are. Something about music? okay. What else? Is it all fake music or something?

hargup 1y ago

There are some really fun songs in the "Search" section after you login. Example https://suno.com/s/xI4rAExMFVsEf1ZD https://suno.com/s/xI4rAExMFVsEf1ZD

carefish 1y ago

Am I one of the few that strongly dislikes verbiage like 'Commercial use rights for songs made while subscribed' on their billing page, it feels and smells an awful lot like 'You'll own nothing and you'll be happy'. Also feels like another race to the bottom for yet another creative field. Not trying to dissuade usage of tools like this by others but it leaves a bad after taste. Whilst it's not clear where the training data is coming from, how can I be sure that I won't accidentally trip up something like YouTube's Content Match tool or other companies whom act on behalf of a copyright holder? Or did I miss something?

albert_e 1y ago

A more simpler realization after playing around with the music player on the home page -- being able to skip tracks and sample a large variety of music tracks without any ads in between -- was pleasantly surprising! Everytime I clicked next I was subsconsciously cringing and expecting an unwelcome and jarring ad to blast through my speakers - and each time releived to actually be greeted by the next music track. What have we done to ourselves. It only feels like yesterday that the default was hoarding all your favourite tracks and playing them at will through winamp.

srrdev 1y ago

Excited to see Suno's model advance. We use it for rock vocals (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Zi0KXpSuQeQ https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Zi0KXpSuQeQ) because nobody in my band can sing. We do all the music and layer the vocals on top from the Suno-generated stems. All things considered, it's been great. We have, however, run through the "range" of rock vocalists. Suno must be under a bit of pressure to generate vocals that don't sound too much like any real singers that themselves are not derivative.

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Sammi 1y ago

Why can't I log in using my own email?! Why do I need a phone number or use a cloud provider? I don't want to be associated with any of those.

lifeartreality 1y ago

I write music to create experiences, help me understand myself, much better, and even communicate in relationships. Suno has become a huge part of journaling in my process that really brings the journal to life!