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Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says
- grapesurgeon 4y ago[dead]
- xeromal 4y agoThis specific comment is so annoying >Olohan said he reported the issue to Google’s human resources department the following week, but nothing ever came of the complaint. The HR rep “openly admitted … that if the complaint was ‘in reverse’ — a female accusing a white male of harassment — the complaint would certainly be escalated,” according to the lawsuit.
- Barrin92 4y agotbh I'm not even sure that's true given Google's history with what high ranking execs got away with regardless of their gender. They settled a shareholder lawsuit for an entire series of mishandled sexual misconduct cases barely two years ago.
- Overtonwindow 4y agoThat's kind of the way of things in America. I have the feeling that a large segment of the population believes that a woman is incapable of sexually harassing, a man, and I think this totally inaccurate belief has permeated throughout culture and into workplaces.
- 0xcafefood 4y agoI'd guess there are not that many people who truly believe that a woman cannot harass or abuse someone sexually (I'm sure there are some but they must be a fringe). But there are very many who would say so if pressed on the subject, especially at work.
- alephnan 4y ago> That's kind of the way of things in America I’m not so sure it’s America vs Google. One has to wonder how inclusive and diverse the HR department is
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- Slothrop99 4y agoWhen I was a young guy way back when, I was sexually harassed at my first two office jobs by women managers. One of them framed it as "payback". Not fun to be on the receiving end of this!
- Spivak 4y agoThis isn’t surprising. For pretty much all of history and continues today in some places sexual assault and rape were by definition something only men could do. The FBI in 2012 finally updated their definition to recognize that men can be rape victims. We still dismiss teenage boys being raped by adult women as, “I bet he liked it.” This belief hasn’t permeated our culture, it is the rock on which the very idea of what sexual crimes are [1]. The cultural shift is the other direction thanks to people fighting for it but we’re a long way from the end of the tunnel. [1] Which is damage to property of a husband or father sooo that’s uhh something. The laws changed on paper but the spirit lived on.
- anonymouskimmer 4y agoWomen and girls are by far disproportionately the victims of sexual harassment and assault, but that just highlights how much of this women and girls have to deal with. It still leaves a bunch of room for men and boys to get some sexual harassment and assault.
- kbelder 4y agoI'm not sure it's as disproportionate as you seem. It may be like physical abuse in a relationship; roughly even between sexes, but reported and documented cases are vastly lopsided by gender.
- anonymouskimmer 4y agoOn the lower end of harassment there is no way catcalling is roughly even between the sexes. In particular venues it might be roughly even, but in the world at large, no way. On the more violent end of rape the majority of serial rapists I've heard about are men. And while some of them are homosexual rapists, most are heterosexual rapists.
- wengo314 4y agothat is because HR exists to protect the company, not the employee. it would be a big media storm if that aforementioned reverse thing happened.
- selcuka 4y agoThis doesn't explain why this one wasn't escalated as it has become a media storm as well.
- bathtub365 4y agoHR exists to protect the company, but they still have to be good at their jobs.
- Slothrop99 4y agoTrue. And HR is not necessarily this intelligent diabolical force "protecting the company". They are often the biggest source of company gossip! If they see you on their level, they'll say all kinds of stuff. They probably assumed this manager would have some sense and stop getting drunk and touching abs, and then went into ass-covering mode when she went on the warpath. When you have a division between salary and wage workers, HR has a certain role. Between managers, its all politics.
- za3faran 4y agoYou can bet they didn't think it would.
- justinjlynn 4y agoA systematic and impartial third party review of Google's HR incident and report system's records and/or HR incident related communications records would likely indicate just how much they did, or did not, think it would be an issue.
- hn_throwaway_99 4y ago> that is because HR exists to protect the company, not the employee I kind of get annoyed when this statement is bandied about. Not because it's false, but because it's brought up in cases like this one where if HR were actually doing their job well, they would have protected the company by doing a real investigation. That is, one of the primary purposes of HR is "keep the company from getting sued." But, in many cases, that goal aligns with someone who has a valid, verifiable complaint. For example, if you are being sexually harassed and want it to stop, a good HR team will absolutely do their best to make that happen, because if they don't they are opening the company up to huge liability. Not saying everything is always 100% cut and dry (particularly when the accused is somewhere very high up and the company thinks it would cause great disruption to fire them), but reading through the details on this case, that doesn't really appear to be true. I'm certainly not making a judgement since we've only read one side of the story, but I do push back strongly against the idea that HR didn't intervene because they wanted to protect the company.
- mshake2 4y agoI was groped by an gay (and well-liked) coworker at a company retreat. I told my boss a few weeks later at a 1-on-1 lunch and he just made a face and then awkwardly changed the subject. Most people are cowards and avoid unpopular actions at all costs so that they can keep their power. Virtue is all an act for power.
- fennecfoxy 4y agoAnd as a gay man myself I've been groped by female colleagues before, had them come up and stand behind me and rub my shoulders/squeeze my back completely unwanted and I've done n o t h i n g about it, because nothing can be done about it. That's the sad truth. Can't go to anyone and even if I did, they likely won't believe me, whereas she could retaliate and say I was the one that did the touching and she'd be believed with ludicrous immediacy. Life sucks, man.
- CyberDildonics 4y agoI've done n o t h i n g about it Did you ask them not to do it again?
- Mordisquitos 4y agoHonestly, that's the allegation that I find hardest to believe at face value (the close second being "Olohan was told that he had shown favouritism towards high-performing employees"). While I have no difficulty in believing that, in practice, a similar complaint with reversed genders would be taken more seriously in some|many|most|all (?) HR departments, I cannot believe that any HR rep would openly admit to that fact, let alone to an affected party. It may indeed have happened, but such extreme clumsiness on the part of Google's HR beggars belief.
- denkmoon 4y agoI expect I would be unemployable if I had touched a female colleague's body like that. I trust Mrs. Miller will be equally unemployable.
- shadowgovt 4y agoWhy would you expect Miller to be unemployable? This is the same company that kept Vic Gundotra until Google+ itself proved unworkable.
- outside1234 4y agoAnd then Andy Rubin until he wasn’t useful either
- BlackjackCF 4y agoWow, no. That's sexual assault and a hostile work environment. It's not ok no matter the gender of the individuals involved. That woman needs to be fired.
- JenrHywy 4y ago> When he asked why he was non-inclusive, Olohan was told that he had shown favouritism towards high-performing employees I always expected capitalism to eat itself, but not like this... not like this.
- ilyt 4y ago"sir, you need to be more racist to keep working here!"
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- johnebgd 4y agoThis seems like the culture that Musk runs out of the workspace...
- shadowgovt 4y agoKeeping in mind, of course, that the source the news is pulling from for all this information is the plaintiff. This is one side of a two-sided story.
- neuronexmachina 4y agoThe full quote from Olohan's filing is kind of peculiar, I'm curious what the deal is with "walking pace": > In response to Olohan’s request during the call for specifics as to why Google believed he was not inclusive, Google’s Employee Investigations team explained that he had shown favoritism towards high performers, which it considered “non-inclusive,” and commented on employees’ walking pace and hustle, which it considered “ableist.”
- jsemrau 4y agoOnly shaking my head about this.
- amscanne 4y agoFrom the original NY Post article, he was "managing director of food, beverages, and restaurants" so presumably the staff in question were food service workers, where they have to move around the kitchens or other areas as part of their duties. (I'm not claiming that "walking pace" is actually related to performance. But that was my read of how it was at least tangentially relevant, similarly to how "typing speed" might be tangentially relevant to roles requiring the use of a computer.)
- siva7 4y agoSeems like no one believes him. Let's be honest: How often have you heard news about a woman molesting a man vs. a man molesting a woman?
- ilyt 4y agoThe news cycle prefers news that get more clicks and the "high ranking male google boss gropes a female" sells better. I'd be wary to judge by press coverage. Also, reporting rate is probably different for males vs females.
- SamoyedFurFluff 4y agoI’ve definitely heard of male wait staff and male nurses being sexually harassed by women.
- croes 4y agoAnyone remembers the film Disclosure from 1994 with Demi Moore and Michael Douglas?
- preordained 4y agoI remember the book...exactly what I thought of.
- LarryMullins 4y agoMostly just the cool VR sequences. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk3PK3W_wvo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk3PK3W_wvo
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- boppo1 4y agoI was working as a busboy reaching up for a glass when an older server woman grabbed my ass so 'deeply' that her fingers almost reached my testicles, then squeezed like she was wringing out an orange. Even though I was unattracted to her, I was flattered at the time. Nonetheless, I'm pretty sure that's well past the bar for molestation.
- neuronexmachina 4y agoLink to court docket: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66577374/olohan-v-google-llc/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66577374/olohan-v-googl...
- junofan 4y ago> In or about June 2022, both Schiestel and Stewart strongly encouraged Olohan to hire only female applicants for an open management position on his team. Not great for Google executives to be doing this.
- 8f2ab37a-ed6c 4y agoSome folks would say that "The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination." I wouldn't be surprised if this was a popular leaning within Google, given its politics and morals. Obviously, the federal govt or the state of CA wouldn't support that approach if it were to make its way into a courtroom, but it's accepted as a "necessary evil" in the more elevated and sophisticated circles.
- za3faran 4y agoIt's the "right" kind of sexism. Everyone knows it's happening, but let's see if anything will come out of it now that it's in the open. I'm guessing there has to be at least one lawyer who's eager to jump on it.
- voytec 4y ago> It's the "right" kind of sexism. And at the same time, it's the "left" kind of sexism by other meaning.
- Gunax 4y agoThere will be no consequences for google. We all know this happens. A past suit by a recruiter had emails filed as evidence to the court where recruiters were told to cancel all interviews with candidates who were not women or Black. [1] And yet if you mention this, you're the racist. You're the White nationalist (even though the media celebrates Black nationalism). Even so--they also have lawsuits alleging discrimination against promoting Black employees. There's really nothing contradictory about this. Different individuals can be racist in different ways. [1] https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/01/google-job-quotas-favored-women-blacks-latinos-over-white-and-asian-men-lawsuit/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/01/google-job-quotas-fav... [2] https://www.cspicenter.com/p/what-diversity-and-inclusion-means https://www.cspicenter.com/p/what-diversity-and-inclusion-me...
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- kodah 4y agoProbably worth noting this story was first published by the New York Post. Take that for what you will. That said, this is a pretty wild turn of events. From the initial and continued sexual harassment/assault to the racism, and subsequent retaliation. More curious is the very direct "your team is too male" and the encouragement to fire someone. I've heard this hinted at before, but never said out loud for obvious reasons. If all of those claims can be proven I'm pretty sure this guy won't work another day in his life if his lawyer can read sentences and make it to court on time. I would like to hear Google and Mrs Miller's side of the story before I cast any judgement though. I don't suspect we'll get that until court.
- NeverFade 4y ago> More curious is the very direct "your team is too male" and the encouragement to fire someone. Everyone in tech knows this is happening, and it's illegal, but nobody will do anything about it. Similar to ageism back in the 2000s.
- Seattle3503 4y agoHave you seen this first hand?
- NeverFade 4y agoI have witnessed first hand discrimination based on race and gender. Ageism too.
- malandrew 4y agoI have. Only once or twice this egregious. Most of the time however it’s explicit diversity incentives for executives if they want to hit their perf targets. If you can’t get the hires, the other way to game it is to shrink the denominator if you fail to increase the numerator.
- oh_sigh 4y agoI work at a FANG and there was a reshuffling in my team of 30 people as a new manager came in - there were 5 women/25 men. After the reshuffling, the 5 women became the 5 new TLs of the 5 projects our team was subdivided into. And the manager talks all the time about how he wants to empower women. Not sure if that counts. I guess it could have just been coincidence.
- moomoo11 4y agoAnd yet people flock to work at these morally bankrupt companies. Cringe. Only those will lots of vested RSU will downvote lol. Gotta get that money at any cost
- midoridensha 4y agoAll companies of any size are amoral; that's the very nature of corporations.
- password11 4y agoThis is why I'm so grateful to work in SWE where skills and progress are somewhat objective. If such a situation occured with my boss I could just resign and have a new job in a couple weeks. Their loss. But in management you've spent years at the company building up to your current role, and you're just kinda stuck with people. Can't imagine how stressful it would be to be in that person's position.
- password11 4y ago^ just want to clarify, alleged position.
- userbinator 4y agowhere skills and progress are somewhat objective They are, but then there's this other thing called DEI...
- bitcharmer 4y agoWhat is DEI?
- anonymouskimmer 4y agoDiversity, Equity, and Inclusion.
- josteink 4y agoAka: Hire anyone except white, heterosexual males.
- anonymouskimmer 4y agoUnless you're in traditionally pink collar jobs, in which case they're the ones who would be preferred (except for child care, where men who wish to work in the field are given a long hard look).
- polynomial 4y ago> When he asked why he was non-inclusive, Olohan was told that he had shown favouritism towards high-performing employees and that he was “ableist” for commenting on other employees’ “walking pace.” Wait, what...?
- q7xvh97o2pDhNrh 4y agoYou know how it is. "Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense."
- visarga 4y agoI hope anti-ableists don't pick the best heart doctor, lawyer or investment banker for themselves, that would be ableism. When they have kids, they should not select the best teachers because that would discriminate against the less able teachers.
- nerdponx 4y agoThere's some serious irony in a bunch of intellectually high-functioning people with some of the best salaries in the world embroiled in workplace politics over ableist language.
- shycha20 4y agoIn all honesty, if these things had happened to me, I would've kept quiet since most people won't believe a 20-something male. I was in high school when two of the girls (who were considered hot in our class) grouped me and rubbed their breasts against my back. When I told one of the lady teachers about the issue, she thought I was crazy and making things up.
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- cjp1032 4y agoThis is a terrible take. With your thought process anyone who is viewed as attractive is able to criminally interact with someone and, rather than viewed in a criminal/negative light, it should be taken as a positive experience?
- ipaddr 4y agoMany young men back in my day were seeking an experience similiar to that, I'm wondering if things have changed. It's unwanted sexual contact that may be criminal not all sexual contact. It's someone you view as attractive not anyone who could be considered attractive.
- shycha20 4y agoI didn't really know what to make of it at the time, and my first thought was this is wrong. Due to my low self-esteem and lack of confidence, I was socially awkward in high school, and those girls took advantage of my position since they knew I would not take any action. At university, I told a guy who was close to me this story and he responded with "did you enjoy it though?" I replied hell no. Imagine living through your toughest times. Imagine only eating once to save some money, being bullied constantly because you can't afford good clothes, shoes, and some girls trying to take advantage of your situation. But it's not the end of the world, and life goes on.
- aliasxneo 4y agoIt was interesting watching Google's tolerance of alcohol slowly decrease from 14'-'20. I stopped going after my fourth or fifth company event, the last being where a fistfight broke out between two upper management individuals.
- grapehut 4y agoThese stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no interactions with, ever). There wasn't even a sprinkle of truth in the whole thing. I was saved by pure dumb luck, where against all odds just happened to have irrefutable proof one of their claims was impossible which led to her dropping the whole thing. I'm still a bit jaded that there are absolutely zero repercussions of making false claims. I guess I feel like "Innocent until proven guilty" is a pretty good model and running a story just amplifying one persons unproven claims kind of goes against that.
- jacob_rezi 4y agoWhat was the proof? Very fortunate indeed!
- grapehut 4y agoWe had a gaming party at work on a Friday afternoon, and I happened to have recorded my games. Reviewing it, I found I did play against her (and 2 others) in a free-for all. But it was clear she just fabricated the events. Funnily enough while I was playing her, I didn't even know it was her (it was a woman I barely knew and only had spoken to a couple of times). Anyway, presented with the actual recording she dropped the entire thing and yet managed to have absolutely zero personal or professional repercussions.
- rswskg 4y agoThen get on with making sure people are crystal clear what happened and how to protect themselves.
- newyankee 4y agoI know someone who lost his entire life, children and financial condition after being levied with false cases in urban India. Yes, even in a country like India in the urban and educated areas the laws are so anti male that there is not much a person can hope for. He was acquited after many years but the wife did not face any legal repercussions.
- CoastalCoder 4y agoI was interested to notice how I formed my initial guess about the man's credibility. The factors included: - How attractive was he vs. the woman? - I noticed he has 7 kids, and went to Providence College. So I'm guessing a devout Roman Catholic, which would mean he (publicly, at least) has a world view that values marital fidelity. - In his LinkedIn profile [0], he claims that his family started basically a charity ice-cream shop. And the start date is 5 months before the first alleged sexual harassment. I guessed that a family with a distressed marriage would probably be unable to pull that off. - On the other hand, IIUC, it seems like he's in marketing, which would mean he's got experience managing his companies' brand as well as his personal brand. So that raised my guard a little. [0] https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanolohan/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanolohan/
- muzani 4y agoI always try to avoid making a guess on someone's credibility in these situations. Such stories are usually polarised for various reasons. In the past, whenever I've made guesses, I'm wrong half the time. My reasoning for one situation was that the harasser was known for making dirty jokes and was misinterpreted, but oh no, he turned out to be a creep. It's always horrifying to make the wrong call on this, so it's just best avoided until evidence on either side solidifies. We also want to create an environment safe for victims to speak up, even if that means false positives every now and then.
- CoastalCoder 4y agoFWIW, I agree that it's important to withhold judgment until all sides of a story have been presented. I just posted my initial thought process because I found it interesting.
- npteljes 4y agoIt's fun to gauge personalities like this, but the outcomes can be reversed in a human way as well. Attraction is personal. Someone can, for example, be biased for and against certain ways people look, and so, their selection don't match the supposed attractiveness. And also, attraction is not just looks. A beautiful person can reek of body odor, for example. Being religious can't just imply morality, it can imply hypocrisy too. People sometimes lead a very different personal life, compared to their public life, and religion works well for that. Similar thing applies to the charity ice-cream shop. People take on all kinds of projects in a distressed situation. For one thing, it can be an excellent way to not care about the original problems. It's a thing for example that troubled couples try for children, in order to better their relationship. The only thing that's worthy of consideration is the marketing angle. But even then, there are a lot of shitty marketers in the world. And many people who can build a certain image, and yet they don't work in marketing.
- MagicMoonlight 4y agoLet the asian woman molest you or you’ll get the hose again
- kistaro 4y agohttps://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66577374/olohan-v-google-llc/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66577374/olohan-v-googl...
- bhbh 4y ago“When he asked why he was non-inclusive, Olohan was told that he had shown favouritism towards high-performing employees and that he was “ableist” for commenting on other employees’ “walking pace.” What? How can favoriting high-performing employees ever be a valid reason?
- ncann 4y agoThat part stood out to me as particularly funny, like a comedy script.
- lynx23 4y agoWhen I first heard the "Believe women" slogan, I knew we are in trouble. As if women were inable to say anything but the truth.
- HideousKojima 4y agoI was falsely accused of sexual harassment when I was in 1st grade. I didn't start having anything resembling attraction to women until 3rd grade, by the way. We had some sort of combined activity with some 6th grade students. I dropped my pencil and crawled under the table to get it, and got back to work and didn't think anything of it. A 6th grade girl at the table got up and left the classroom, and 15 minutes later I was called up to the principal's office. They told me I was in big trouble for looking up girls' skirts and if I had anything to say for myself. I just got really confused and started crying, I told them I had no idea what they were talking about. Fortunately they believed me, but the fact that they took things that far in the first place left a very bad impression on me regarding both school administrators and sexual harassment claims. Edit: this was in the early 90's, by the way. I'm sure it's only gotten worse.
- LeoNatan25 4y ago“Believe women” is fine. “Believe all women” is where the problem lies.
- fidgewidge 4y agoWhat's the difference?
- noisy_boy 4y agoThe latter removes any scope for taking circumstances/details into account which is an issue irrespective of gender/age etc (e.g. "believe men" or "believe children" would be equally absurd).
- fidgewidge 4y agoBut you just said "believe women" is fine whereas "believe men" or "believe children" is absurd. I don't follow the distinction you're drawing here. They're grammatically equal.
- benjaminwootton 4y agoWithout passing comment on the case, this guy appeared to go to 3 further work events including alcohol after the incident. Why do people put themselves in these situations at work? I'm nervous having even 1 drink with work colleagues in todays day and age, let alone getting plastered 3 times with the same people after an incident.
- xlii 4y agoTribism. There are some positions that require you to follow set of unspoken rules just to belong. It’s both proof of inclusion and signaling. Depending on place there might be different factors. It can be as simple as attendance, but it might also be about attire, jewelry, watches, presence during cultural events, who knows who etc. etc. American Psycho’s business card scene is a nice if overdrawn example. Seemingly unimportant object is fetishized. In reality those behaviors are usually much more subtle and can take form of: don’t attend when invited, you won’t be invited ever again.
- trompetenaccoun 4y ago"He was asking for it."
- MichaelNolan 4y agoIf you’re a competent and reliable engineer (at the level senior or lower), then social events are optional. No one will care if you do or don’t go. Sadly for many other fields (especially sales/marketing) or for management positions, social events are essentially mandatory. Sure you can skip one every once in a while, but if you start skipping too many your career prospects in the company will be impacted. *obviously this is company/industry dependent.
- lormayna 4y ago> Olohan said he began feeling increasing pressure from his supervisor, who told him that there were “obviously too many white guys” on his management team. In July he was encouraged to fire a male employee to make room on his team for a woman, the suit claims. This is the most crazy section. Why physical characteristics like gender or ethnicity should be important in the management selection? And if yes, why only those two characteristics and not considering others like body weight or baldness?
- jacooper 4y agoSorry mate, there is no place for rationality in US diversity politics.
- flanked-evergl 4y ago> US diversity politics This is in no way restricted to US.
- alejoar 4y agoI agree. However, as a person living in Europe and working for american companies, I can attest gender and race are huge factors when it comes to incentives for hiring, promotion, etc. when compared to companies in my country, which do show some of the same characteristics but not with the same weight. I understand the reasoning and benefits of positive discrimination but I have also seen rationality being relegated to the point plain bad decisions have been taken in the name of diversity.
- lormayna 4y agoMy previous job was an US F500 in Europe. We had an open position for a mid-senior role and HR pushed us very much to hire an African girl that was still not graduated and she neither have experience in the domain that we are working (we are looking for someone with experience in cybersecurity and she was completing her master degree with a focus on UI/UX).
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- patchtopic 4y agoRupert Murdoch rag is not a reliable or credible news source. If this story is importable it deserves to be cited from a source that people will respect.
- jacooper 4y agoIts copied from the NYpost https://nypost.com/2023/01/28/google-exec-fired-after-female-boss-groped-him-at-drunken-bash/ https://nypost.com/2023/01/28/google-exec-fired-after-female...
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- ShredKazoo 4y agoHe got fired.
- trompetenaccoun 4y agoIt's concerning and symptomatic for the current culture in North America how many comments there are insinuating this to be fabricated, without knowing details or it even having gone to court yet.
- megous 4y agoA person being weird under influence of alcohol (due to loss of inhibition) and being vindictive later on (instead of owning up to their behavior) if rejected is really not hard to believe.
- throwaway_8745 4y agoCreated a throwaway for this post. It is so scary and damaging to be accused of moral misconduct of this type. I cannot imagine how many people (independent of the gender) are going through this kind of abuse and not daring to bring it up because of the way it is approached and the whole complexity of proving it. I have a similar experience: I used to work at a big tech with +100,000 employees, and had a female co-worker a few years older than me. I was groped, kissed and basically harassed to the point that I left the job that I liked the most and ended up with depression. Note that we are both software engineers. As a guy in my 30s when I asked for advice from friends outside the company I got the advice to leave with an good excuse because if she decide to she can ruin my career and steal years of my life. I never told my partner about it nor have I spoken about it with anyone else.
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- saos 4y ago> told him her marriage lacked “spice,” Goodness me.
- Eavolution 4y agoYou know, I don't know how practical this is but I've been feeling for a long time that all accusations should be kept confidential (enforced by the court) and trials not be at all public until a verdict is reached. We're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, but people treat others as guilty until proven innocent with some of these accusations.
- olalonde 4y ago> During a videoconference call, Olohan said he was told by the Google Employee Investigations team that he was being fired because he was not “inclusive.” > When he asked why he was non-inclusive, Olohan was told that he had shown favouritism towards high-performing employees and that he was “ableist” for commenting on other employees’ “walking pace.” Sounds like satire...
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- ramoz 4y agoThis is easy to believe. What would be harder to believe is the x-rated version of Horrible Bosses staring my first female manager.
- drumhead 4y agoMost of the comments here seem to be about false accusations. Its as if they don't want to believe a man could have been sexually harassed. I can't remember seeing so much scepticism when there are stories about harassment against women. Maybe people are more scared to be sceptical when it's a woman making the accusations.
- peter_retief 4y agoSexual harassment is difficult to prove so can be abused. Once an accusation has been made the smear will often stick. What really needs to happen is that companies need a policy/procedure that handles this. My wife designs procedures and training for organizations for sexual harassment, this is surprisingly effective and one should make sure you have something in place and understand how to use it.
- dsign 4y agoHomo Sapiens, despite all its culture, it is still commanded by Nature to do everything it can to spread its genes. A (nice) side-effect of that is that we are lewd. The problem is that we loose our composure when we drink. Just playing the devil's advocate here, but let's assume for a minute we could reorganize things a little to avoid matters like this becoming a problem. Like say, we could make women stronger than men, or we could give people a switch to turn their libido off, or we could invent a drug that when people intoxicate with it they want to speak about math instead of having sex. Any ideas?
- snshn 4y agoI believe that! Women can become extremely vindictive after getting rejected. A-type females with narcissistic tendencies who usually climb the corporate ladder extremely well are known for that. Asian girls absolutely love European guys, and his sexual market value appears to be higher than hers (judging from the pictures). If it all turns out to be true, I hope she gets prison time.
- ClassyJacket 4y agoALLEGEDLY. It's an accusation at this point, she hasn't been found guilty. You can't just assume every accusation is true.
- megous 4y agoThat's what a 4th word in the article says, but thanks for reminding us.
- marvin 4y agoAn aside to the sexual harassment: If favoring high-performing individuals is now a firing offense at Google, I believe they’ve opened themselves up to competition.
- neonsunset 4y agoThis is why I made a decision not to immigrate to US six-ish years ago when starting my career as a software engineer and considering future prospects. I just want to deliver fast code and good user experience, not worry about "politics" and completely subverted safety nets that are now weaponized against men, not even mentioning presumption of innocence flying out the window long ago.
- FredPret 4y agoYou can still do that in the US, just not as an employee
- nextlevelwizard 4y ago>Olohan was told that he had shown favouritism towards high-performing employees Why is this seen as exclusion? If you are bad at your job then you need to improve or suffer the consequences.
- LeoNatan25 4y agoYes, but if you are a Woman or Black or Indian (but not if you are East Asian!), you’ve been Institutionally Oppressed, so you can’t be good at your job. Apparently.
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- onikolas7 4y agoMore reasons to opt for remote-only.
- FredPret 4y agoRemote work has so many benefits. Theoretically, you won't even have to know about your colleagues' and employees' gender / disability / height / race / social class / looks. I envision a world with millions of 1-10 person remote companies working together. All this crap would simply evaporate.
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