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For house keeping tasks the robotics companies love showing off... it honestly doesn't matter if it takes a robot longer than a human to clean your house. As lo
by pwython 2mo ago
For house keeping tasks the robotics companies love showing off... it honestly doesn't matter if it takes a robot longer than a human to clean your house. As long as it gets done before you get home from work, no big deal.
- Cthulhu_ 2mo agoYeah, the dishwasher takes much longer to do the dishes than I do by hand, but that's cool. That said, the dishwasher is out of the way. I don't think we'll get household robots anytime soon. Hell, the only ones that can afford them will be the same that would hire human household help.
- FartyMcFarter 2mo ago> Hell, the only ones that can afford them will be the same that would hire human household help. But maybe they'd rather deal with a robot than a human?
- RandomLensman 2mo agoHonestly: why?
- verdverm 2mo ago"hey Rosie, the cat yakked on the rug again" (real-time mess handling)
- terio 2mo agoLess liability?
- tartoran 2mo agoYou think robots can't malfunction or be hacked to do some nefarious things in the household?
- seasox 2mo agoRobots don‘t steal and don‘t want a raise.
- RandomLensman 2mo agoIf there is a subscription in there somewhere, prices could change.
- pertymcpert 2mo agoIt's ok, we get it you don't want one. I would happily pay $20k-$30k for one if it worked well. I know a lot of people who would.
- RandomLensman 2mo agoI might even get one as I like trying new tech if and when, but I have no issue with hiring humans either and humans so far "fail" very differently from machines (as in a lot of software). I find the latter far less predictable and controllable.
- lukan 2mo agoAlso if the robot is ultimately controlled by Musk or Altman? I do want a robot serviant. But running AI that I control. Here it google says it can "And this profound intelligence can also run locally on-device", that makes it interesting for me.
- goatlover 2mo agoThey'll just spy on you along with the smart tv, phone and flock camera at the street corner.
- iinnPP 2mo agoThe list of plausible answers is long enough as to question why you felt the need to include the word honestly, irony? One example: social anxiety.
- RandomLensman 2mo agoNot irony: why manage machines with all the issues that go with that instead of people?
- Marha01 2mo agoTell me you are not an introvert without telling me... I don't want a person I barely know regularly going all over my apartment. What if they discover... nevermind. A robot, on the other hand? Hell yeah!
- luckydata 2mo agoyou don't need to be an introvert to find that line of reasoning short sighted. I'm plenty extroverted and I still don't want to deal with people coming to my house to clean it. It's very invasive and they rarely do a good job. A robot that I can "train" to do exactly what I need and constantly works in the background would be a HUGE value add to my lifestyle.
- RandomLensman 2mo agoThe difference might be that I don't believe in these "machine gods of cleaning" being the thing to arrive (looking at current consumer goods) and then the boundary for what to choose shifts a lot if one is willing to deal with humans. The latter also doesn't need to be so foreign, e.g., could be someone already working for a friend.
- bananaflag 2mo agoA robot will send whatever they discover to the FBI. My issue is different: I feel bad with someone working around me while I am lazy. A robot would not pose that problem.
- FartyMcFarter 2mo agoI don't want a person I don't know very well in my space. That aside: if I'm lucky enough to find a person who's good and reliable, they might move away, switch jobs etc. It has all the headaches that come with hiring and managing someone, because, well, it is exactly that... If I don't want to be a manager at work (been there done that, happy to let others do it and get the raise that comes along with it), I sure as heck don't want to do it at home.
- RandomLensman 2mo agoYou'd need to manage the robot, too, I would think. In my experience, I rather manage people than machines.
- margalabargala 2mo agoSure, but others have the opposite preference. Machines tend to be more predictable.
- RandomLensman 2mo agoI think machines are just unpredictable in different ways (for example, changes from software updates).
- lukan 2mo ago"Machines tend to be more predictable." Those controlled by LLM's maybe ain't. Here with google the LLM is even local, but will be fun with the cloud controlled robots, where the company got overwhelmed and silently uses a weaker model at certain times. With fun results.
- dormento 2mo agoDreading the moment my doombot engages dishwasher-v4-flash:latest_q2
- micromacrofoot 2mo ago
- fidotron 2mo agoHumans have emotions. Best avoided.
- RajT88 2mo agoIt's been said that people who do not have a high EQ gravitate towards tech, because machines are easier to understand than people.
- gretch 2mo agoI feel like people who have high EQ should actually grasp the infinite depth and complexity of even the median human. Just imagine, there’s a woman Alice who cleans your home once a month. On this particular day, she had a fight with her husband this morning on (something completely unrelated to you). Do you expect her to check her emotions at the door when she enters your space? Or is she going to give really bad vibes while she is moving around your house?
- fidotron 2mo agoIt's been said that people that say this are transparently trying to manipulate other people, which is why the others prefer to cut off all potential for tedious negotiations. This is the same reason people prefer buying Tesla cars direct instead of having to make a deal at a dealership. If they all had high EQ maybe they'd prefer the dealership model after all.
- RajT88 2mo ago> It's been said that people that say this are transparently trying to manipulate other people Tech does also attract grumpy people. The reason this idea stuck in my memory when I read it - is that it resonated with me. To some extent I feel this way.
- fidotron 2mo ago> Tech does also attract grumpy people. You have cause and effect wrong; it just makes people that have to deal with the people in and around the tech industry grumpy.
- CamperBob2 2mo agoWith a robot housemaid, I wouldn't have to get dressed. :-P More seriously: - I wouldn't feel obligated to 'pre-clean' anything. Who wants to come across as a thoughtless/careless slob whose personal habits amount to borderline-abusive demands on the cleaning staff? Not me... and where does that line get drawn, anyway? - I wouldn't worry about stuff being picked up and misplaced - I have never had problems with maids stealing stuff, but I know others have - Cleaning can be initiated or postponed as needed, with no dependencies on someone else's schedule
- kibwen 2mo ago> With a robot housemaid, I wouldn't have to get dressed. :-P Well, as long as you don't mind the workers in the robot company's telemetrics department whacking it to your robot's video feed.
- CamperBob2 2mo agoThey can jerk themselves silly, IDGAF. When the 'Black Mirror' screenwriters get involved, though, I'll require some back-end participation of the financial kind. (I'm being facetious here: nothing that transmits data out of the house is going to be deployed to run household robots, at least not in my house. Even if I didn't care, I can't make that call on behalf of family members or guests. Then there's the obvious concern that the robotics company would sell the data to my homeowners' insurance company, health insurance company, and who knows who else.)
- icepush 2mo agoFor the robot to function without teleoperation, sota is for it to be using a model that runs on chips about 5-10x the cost of what is being discussed here. How do you propose for that without transmission of data out of your house ?
- CamperBob2 2mo agoI've pretty much made my peace with the idea of spending on GPUs what I used to spend on sports cars. That being said, by the time the kinematic hardware needed to build a robotic housekeeper is available for home use, I don't think the brainpower is going to be a problem. There's nothing in Ex Machina that couldn't run on a couple of RTX 6000s.
- sagarm 2mo agoThe dishwasher is out of the way because you made space for it out of the way. We'll probably adapt our spaces for robots too eventually. For example, you could store far more things out of easy human reach.
- qurren 2mo agoI'm bearish that they'll be economically viable in the house for a very long time. For businesses the bar for adoption is very low: If the thing can work repetitive jobs for 24 hours a day and replace 3 shifts, the purchase bar is nominally anything less than 3 x human salary if your budgeting horizon is 1 year. That's a high number, and probably fairly easy to achieve. For homes, it's a very different bar. You'd have a hard time convincing most American families to purchase anything with a >$1000 price tag. Currently that's pretty much impossible for a humanoid.
- phyzix5761 2mo agoJust slap an Apple logo on it and you can charge whatever you want.
- heaney-555 2mo ago>You'd have a hard time convincing most American families to purchase anything with a >$1000 price tag. Like cars, they'll likely purchase them through finance deals, with a monthly payment. Or perhaps even rent/lease them.
- meowkit 2mo agoMuch easier to remotely brick a robot too I imagine
- mbil 2mo agoLeasing seems like it could make sense given rapid upgrades in the technology. Why spend $15k on a home robot that will be obsoleted in the next few years?
- garbageman 2mo agoLeasing is out, but locked-in subscriptions are in!
- qurren 2mo agoCars are an absolute necessity in the US unless you live in one of the small handful of cities that have viable public transit. Different thing altogether. Robots aren't a necessity, and for a price tag in the tens of thousands, most people will just mop their own floors and do their own laundry.
- doctorpangloss 2mo ago> it honestly doesn't matter if it takes a robot longer than a human to clean your house it depends. in order for my slow ass Roomba to clean my floors, I have to move a bunch of things out of the way and not use the room. on the flip side, i think this "the robot cannot automate the whole task" thing is reductive too. suffice it to say, EVERYTHING matters, there honestly nothing that "honestly doesn't matter."
- millerm 2mo agoExactly. People buy those automated circular floor vacuums. Anyone can get it done with a regular broom/vacuum in a small fraction of the time it takes for those things. Just like I drive an electric car. It charges while I sleep. It doesn't matter if an ICE can fuel in a few minutes.
- moffkalast 2mo ago"That's fair, you are absolutely right I should not have unscrewed the water hose and put it away before turning on the valve to water the plants, even though you specified that order, I should've used some common sense." There is going to be so much pain from VLA malicious compliance. If the current gen of LLMs are anything to go by I can already see it being an hilariously massive problem. People are careless.
- claaams 2mo agoThis was my thought too. An unsupervised robot can cause 10s of thousands in damage by accidentally ripping a water line and flooding your house or just breaking all of your dishes. There’s no level to how dumb and awful LLMs can hallucinate
- Razengan 2mo agoWe all know sexbots will be the real killer app
- trkaky 2mo agowhich work?