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Also everything hes saying about China (and other actors) many outside the USA would say about the USA. The solution of a global arms race of state vs state wi
by twelvechairs 2mo ago
Also everything hes saying about China (and other actors) many outside the USA would say about the USA.
The solution of a global arms race of state vs state with integrated statist corporations as the best outcome for end users sure is a choice though
- Petersipoi 2mo agoWhy is it relevant what those outside would say about the US? Or what those outside of any country would say about any country. The job of a country is to do what is best for it. It's better for the US to not help China develop AI that surpasses its own capabilities. It's better for China to try anyway. There are many countries inventing nothing with loud opinions. Those opinions are completely irrelevant to China or the US.
- soperj 2mo ago> The job of a country is to do what is best for it. Countries aren't defined like corporations in the US. Why would countries have funds to help places like Haiti otherwise? Lots of different reasons for countries to do all sorts of things? Why would France have armed the US during their independence movement? Why is the rest of the world supporting Ukraine during this war started by Russia?
- testaccount28 2mo ago> Why would countries have funds to help places like Haiti otherwise? because that's what they think is best. what point are you trying to make? that countries don't pursue 'profit' at the expense of all other concerns?
- vincnetas 2mo agoI think that that "best" is not always measured in money. And it should not be. Countries are made of people, and people wellbeing should be the main priority of country. And when stepping a bit back, all countries are made of people, so why differentiate? Ideally make life good for all people.
- shsjidhs 2mo agoYou mean to say that without France’s help the “revolutionary war” would just be an embarrassing string of failures and a footnote in Britain’s history? Oh no, you heretic, The People freed themselves and it was ordained by God, you see. It is through the righteous might of The Greatest Experiment in The History of the World that they showed The World what Freedom really meant.
- altmanaltman 2mo agoHaving the British lose the US was a good thing for France, simillarly preventing Russia from just taking over another country is for the best of other countries. While there is no "job" of a country, it is natural that each one will work for its own best interest and any moves it makes in the global world is due to their own vested interests in some way including helping Haiti, France helpong Us and the world supporting Ukraine. Why would a country act against its interest or just randomly? Alliances and corporation are a part of politics
- psychoslave 2mo ago>Why would a country act against its interest or just randomly? Because country as an entity is a mental construction for which "interest" is a categorical error. It’s certainly a useful concept, but pretending it has interests like some human individual can have have interests. Sure it can serve as rhetorical facility to sell some arguments. Countries don’t have interests. Some people willing to take control of other people encompassed in that "country" groups have interests, and they don’t necessarily align with best interests of everyone or even majority in each of these groups.
- dgellow 2mo agoI mostly agree, but there is some limit to that line of argument: a corporation is also a human, social concept, and we do accept that they act in their own interests (meaning they do have interests, sort of like humans do)
- psychoslave 2mo agoWell, you might agree with that, but on my side corporation are pure legal fictions, they don’t have have any intrinsics will and interest. That doesn’t mean they don’t have any existence, just that that there are have a different ontological status from a human person. Just like novel fictional characters, the fact they don’t map to any actual entity doesn’t mean they can’t entice affects they are supposed to convey between narrators and readers.
- Davidzheng 2mo agoWhy should the national security concerns of the US lie with Anthropic?
- cmrdporcupine 2mo agoWhy does it feel like you think you're talking to only people in the US? There's plenty of people on this forum that aren't American. Including some former allies whose sovereignty has been aggressively threatened. And some of those people are Anthropic customers. Even more so, many of us are in countries that would be well within the blast radius of fallout should the US try to "ban" open weight models or make moves to limit "US" models (often developed on research or work by non-Americans too, but that's another topic) only to those blessed by the US gov't. That's why it matters?
- dgellow 2mo agoNot just customers, Anthropic has offices in multiple countries around the world. And hires people from all around the world
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- spaceman_2020 2mo agoAll my adult life, China has given me cheap material goods. Whatever they do in their country is their own problem. They’ve never interfered in my politics or started any wars
- vlovich123 2mo ago> They’ve never interfered in my politics or started any wars But they have. I dont know what specific country you are referring to but China has interfered with US elections as well as Canada, Taiwan, and Australia in addition to many many others. They’ve annexed Tibet (1950), fought India (1962) and Vietnam (1979) among others and more recently in 2020 a deadly skirmish with India. They’ve generally shifted their focus to cyber military actions but you’d have to be pretty naive they won’t start to exercise military control over Taiwan when/if they get a chance.
- rustyhancock 2mo agoHe's also completely missed what many of us see as the primary the issue, HF was attacked by a US frontier model. HF could not be helped by US frontier models because of the "safety" features they have. HF had to use an open model from china. Anthropic wants to add those "safety" features to open models - especially from china. End result would be HF hack would have continued atleast until the Monday that OpenAI engineers finally walked back into work.
- rob74 2mo agoI case you're wondering, HF = Hugging Face
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- swiftcoder 2mo agoThe biggest platform for the distribution of open-weight models
- rob74 2mo agoIt's the machine learning platform that started with "developing a chatbot app targeted at teenagers" (according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugging_Face https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugging_Face), which helps explain the weird name (which still makes me think more of one of the development stages of the xenomorphs from Alien than of the emoji, but that's probably just me).
- nyeah 2mo agoIt's definitely not just you :)
- smallmancontrov 2mo agoI have it bookmarked as just the emoji because whenever I write the text I still think about the alien spider.
- aa-jv 2mo ago>Also everything hes saying about China (and other actors) many outside the USA would say about the USA. Yes, I for sure trust the open models from China, more than anything coming out of the USA at the moment. Its not just the USA's support for genocidal regimes, nor its heinously illegal wars and atrocious 21st century human rights record. Its also the Snowden revelations and the treatment of Julian Assange. Slowly, surely, the world is building a firewall against the USA's imperialist actions - not just its motives. That AI is a key building block of that machination is of course, highly exciting. There are many in Europe who feel the same. The tide is very definitely turning.
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- ozgung 2mo agoWe don’t have to guess. Here is a recent survey: People in Many Countries Now View China More Positively Than the U.S. https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2026/07/15/people-in-many-countries-now-view-china-more-positively-than-the-u-s/ https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2026/07/15/people-in-many...
- pipes 2mo agoAre you saying the USA is somehow as repressive as china?
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- aa-jv 2mo agoMore repressive, by real statistics.
- jimmydoe 2mo agoYes, only if measured by their own people. Trump deports, half of the USA people screamed; Xin builds reeducation camps, most Chinese people are cool.
- sdevonoes 2mo agoAs someone who has never visited China or the US; yes. Why? Media. School shootings, ICE, crazy president… What do I see from China? Impressive multi-million cities… and true to be told, not much. China had a worse reputation, but not anymore since Trump leads the US. Im not saying that the above is objective, tho
- pipes 2mo agoSchool shootings aren't carried out by the government. Crazy president democratically elected and criticised by a free press. Things that you don't like about a country are a lot different than things that will get you and your family disappeared by your government.
- LtWorf 2mo agoThey are carried out because of your unwillingness to stop giving weapons to moody teenagers.
- LtWorf 2mo agoProbably more.
- thaway7388 2mo agoHis Concern 1 was especially painful to read. It reminds me of Red Fever rhetorics from McCarthy era. He casually mentions CCP and People’s Liberation Army (dogwhistles?) as the most fearful enemy. But he didn’t compare CCP policies to GOP or Trump administration (apple to apple comparison). He doesn’t frame it as Anthropic vs Moonshot competition either. He deliberately frames it as the US vs the Communists war. He portrays the biggest ever threat of AI as the Chinese Military using the models in their drones. He already sells his models to military customers, US and potentially allies, and they are actively used in the field. So no objective argumentation here. Just Nationalist political rhetorics and FUD. He’s allowed to do that and he will have an audience. But he won’t be taken seriously outside the US. He appears blindsided.
- dominotw 2mo ago> Also everything hes saying about China (and other actors) many outside the USA would say about the USA. yes he is writing it as usa citizen running it a us company. I dont see how "usa is also.." is relevant here.