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Apple releases Ipad 3
- tvon 15y agoI'm still somewhat amazed they haven't found a better way to handle updating the store. I understand that there is a marketing aspect to taking it offline, but it should be back online and updated immediately after the event is over.
- dabeeeenster 15y agoI think it IS all just marketing...Im sure a company that size can update a product on a website without going offline if they really wanted to
- tvon 15y agoI think that's reading a bit too much into it. The product has been announced, having the store down now does nothing to promote it (as having it down during the announcement might), it only prevents people from buying it.
- PawelDecowski 15y agoIt was briefly online after the event, but it was hammered with requests, so they've shut it down again. Maybe they're just throttling the traffic so not anyone can get it, or maybe they took it down completely to do some magic to better handle all the traffic.
- SeoxyS 15y agoI'm not so sure it's all marketing. Apple is the most inflexible, arcane company imaginable when it comes to web software. They're still using a legacy technology (WebObjects w/ Java) that died many years ago, and everything I've heard about their web team make it sound like their're stuck in technological legacy handcuffs.
- Xuzz 15y agoAlthough the HN title (currently) says "Ipad 3", Apple seems to actually be calling it the new "iPad" (edit: "new iPad", not "New iPad"). It's a bit confusing: next year, is it then the "old iPad"? But, we don't really have that issue with many other Apple products (iPod nano, all Macs, etc) that use the same naming scheme. So we'll see how bad it actually ends up.
- WiseWeasel 15y agoIt looks like they're just calling it "iPad" now on their website. It's an interesting idea; maybe they plan on always calling the current one "iPad", and renaming the old model something like "iPad 2012" once the 2013 "iPad" is released.
- count 15y agoThey don't say 'MacBook Air 4', just 'MacBook Air'. I think this is to unify that naming scheme.
- celoyd 15y agoAs people have pointed out, this is essentially how things like MacBooks work. I happen to know I have a “mid-2010” MacBook, but that isn’t printed on it anywhere and the average user would never know. It’s not a MacBook 7S or whatever.
- moe 15y agoThe lack of a numbering scheme is a royal pain in the ass when googling bugs or trying to find pretty much any information about a specific model. Although admittedly we already have that with most of their other devices ("do i have an early 2011 MB or was it the mid-2010?") and it's not like other vendors are much better in this regard.
- WiseWeasel 15y agoI guess it helps that the iPad is on a yearly release schedule, as opposed to their Mac products.
- Steko 15y agoApparently it's just "iPad". Not 3, not HD. Maybe people will always call it the iPad 3 or maybe we'll end up calling it the 2012 iPad or the 3rd gen or something.
- high5ths 15y agoIn one of the videos they mentioned it as the "third generation." Seems like they're just asking for confusion though.
- Steko 15y agoSeems to have worked ok with the iPod ("generation") and their PC line (generally referenced by year of refresh). A bit confusing now when they're doing the transition from "2" to numberless which the first one was but in the long run it will pay off. I suppose they'll just keep calling it "new" to differentiate.
- jaems33 15y agoMakes sense. It's not like we call the Macbook, Macbook Pro, or iPod by version numbers. Instead, at least browsing on Craiglist, it's usually by years (for laptops) and generations (for iPods)
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- _djo_ 15y agoIt's 'the new iPad', not the iPad 3. Apple is evidently going to follow the same pattern as it does with its computers and is doing away with a sequential numbering system. So the next iPad will also just be 'the new iPad' the same way that every year we see 'the new MacBook Pro'. The iPhone will probably follow suit.
- thought_alarm 15y agoApple is following the pattern that begun with the failure of the Apple III computer, which is to not name any more products "3". There was no Mac 3, iPod 3, or iPhone 3.
- MatthewPhillips 15y agoDoes this not include an update to iOS?
- richbradshaw 15y agoYep, iOS 5.1 is out today as well.
- spicyj 15y agoIt does; iOS 5.1 comes out today.
- MatthewPhillips 15y agoLink? Update to Safari (IndexedDB please)?
- Aloisius 15y agoIt should be noted that the limited data plans for both AT&T and Verizon mean that at the max 4G speed of 73 Mbps, you could use all your bandwidth for the entire month in less than three and a half minutes (2 GB plan). The overages of $10/GB per month on both services mean once you go over your plan, you'll be looking at a little over $5/minute in new charges. It is possible (though highly unlikely) to rack up over $200K/month in bandwidth charges if you managed to find an empty 4G cell for a month. Sadly Sprint, which has unlimited 4G last i checked, was absent from the release of the new iPad.
- kacy 15y agoWell, you could legitimately use 2GB by simply purchasing a movie that they discussed in the presentation. A 720p version of "Drive" on iTunes is 3.17GB. Soon it will be upgraded to 1080p, which would be at /least/ 5GB. That's at least $50 in data for one movie, assuming the data plans stay the same.
- samstave 15y agoSomeone needs to do exactly this, then sue the balls off these carriers for such draconian plans and rates.
- tedunangst 15y agoSuing the balls off of someone requires that you have "cause".
- thematt 15y agoNothing mentioned about Siri. That is surprising, because I thought that inclusion would be a slam-dunk.
- ary 15y agoNot exactly true. It supports dictation just like the iPhone 4s.
- kyberias 15y agoThey certainly mentioned Siri in the keynote.
- icki 15y agoI believe they started the keynote with Siri. iOS 5.1 is bringing Siri to Japan.
- jws 15y agoLooks like no Siri. No mention of it in the iPad pages on the main web site.
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- cube13 15y agoMight want to double check your math there. 42 Mbps is 5.25 MB per second. At that rate, it'll take about 950 seconds to download that. That's about 15 minutes. The more common 2 GB plan would be up in about 6 minutes.
- jevinskie 15y agoNo mention of bumping the RAM from 512 MB to 1 GB. Even my TF101 Tegra 2 tablet has 1 GB of RAM. I wonder how much the 4x larger retina display assets will increase RAM usage. Edit: I guess it does have 1 GB of RAM. http://chronicwire.com/the-ipad-3-has-1gb-of-ram http://chronicwire.com/the-ipad-3-has-1gb-of-ram
- mbreese 15y agoApple doesn't release how much memory their iOS devices have as a tech spec. The best we can do is find out by debug messages (like you just linked) or physically examining the device (ifixit). Apple would say it has "enough" RAM. I thought that one of the game demos mentioned that it had more resources than an Xbox 360 or PS3, but I don't think they were talking about RAM.
- kenrikm 15y agoI did a test a 1024x768 PNG vs the Same PNG at 2048x1536. 299k vs 664k. So for raster images it more than doubles the footprint, however if you use vector assets there should be little impact.
- jevinskie 15y agoBut you don't store compressed PNGs in RAM for display by the GPU. Does the GPU even support lossless texture compression? I would imagine it supports lossy texture compression. Edit: It is also interesting to see that the ~ 2x increase in the size of the PNG can be explained by PNG's run length encoding. When you double the pixels in each direction, RLE should readily compress the horizontal pixel replication but not the vertical pixel replication.
- tomkinstinch 15y agoThe 264dpi screen is a big deal. I was at a workshop with Edward Tufte this week. He extoled the virtures of using paper for information-rich data transfer. Having paper-like screen resolution is an obvious advantage for disseminating information. I'd like to see a startup take on PowerPoint by releasing software to compose iPad-friendly presentations. Think one-pagers full of text, graphs, and figures. On an iPad they could be interactive, annotated, and linked together. Every iPad-toting meeting goer could scan a QR code on the way in to get on the same page, and then sit and discuss the content. Gone will be the days of presenters doling out bullet points at excruciatingly slow pace. Having read Isaacson's biography of Jobs, it seems that Apple may be gunning to disrupt the textbook market. Having paper-like resolution is a great step in that direction.
- WiseWeasel 15y agoApple sells their Keynote presentation software for the iPad.
- tomkinstinch 15y agoKeynote is great, but it's still slideware. People need to think about the iPad as a printer for dynamic content. It's smart paper. Edit: Thanks to gte910h for pointing out iBooks Author. I wasn't aware of it! http://www.apple.com/ibooks-author/ http://www.apple.com/ibooks-author/
- gte910h 15y agoYou're thinking of the iBooks app (seriously, check out the free apple iBook creator). It's very dynamic content.
- philiphodgen 15y agoFor publications you will use locally on the iPad, maybe. If you're intending to publish via Apple, I'd say wait. After two weeks of waiting for Apple to approve a book I yanked it and am having the manuscript converted for Kindle sale as we speak. The conversion from the .ibooks file to anything usable in the real world was a giant pain. All of which was predictable and I knew that going in. But as a book-writing tool it is great. I wrote an entire book on a direct flight from Los Angeles to Dubai. Edited it on the way back. Way, way better than Word. Now I'm using Scrivener.
- afterburner 15y agoIt's 10% heavier: http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/07/new-ipad-vs-ipad-2/ http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/07/new-ipad-vs-ipad-2/ Yes, I know why, but I was hoping against hope it would get a little lighter. But I didn't think it would. Maybe next year, when there's no reason to up the resolution.
- lukifer 15y agoIt's still slightly lighter than the first iPad, so for those of us who didn't upgrade, it'll be an improvement. :)
- afterburner 15y agoHeh, yes, by 5%. :) I think a nice weight would be about 400g. The Kindles are 200-300g, except the DX-2 which is 540g.
- lukifer 15y agoI prefer my Nook Toucho the iPad for pure text reading because it is so ridiculously light. But it would be tough to make the iPad 3 lighter than it is, without major breakthroughs in batteries or materials (lighter gorilla glass).
- lunarscape 15y agoI guess we're left waiting for a big breakthrough in battery technology to see a decrease in the weight of these types of devices.
- afterburner 15y agoThe new model has almost twice the battery capacity, and the battery probably accounts for almost all the weight, so it looks like there is a decent amount of yearly improvement.
- camiller 15y ago
- icki 15y agoI'm excited that they're addressing user complaints about 'content creation'. iPhoto looks particularly impressive; it looks like people will be using their tablet devices for more than just content consumption now.
- YooLi 15y ago"...it looks like people will be using their tablet devices for more than just content consumption now." They have been for a while...
- rbarooah 15y agoWhat user complaints? The only people saying that the iPad can't be used for content creation are blogosphere commentators arguing that it can't replace a laptop yet.
- julianb 15y agoLooks like the iPad2 is available for $399 now.
- kenrikm 15y agoThe Apple Store was live for about two minutes but a DDOS from everyone trying to pre-order brought it down and they went back to "We'll be back soon" I would love to see how many hits they are getting.
- munchor 15y agoI hate it that I can't watch the videos on Apple's website, and to me, this is just a reminder of that, oh why?
- ot 15y agoPre-ordering will be a lottery. I've been trying to get to the online Store for more than half an hour and I get either server error, "we'll be back soon" or incredibly slow connection (which then fails). I managed to get once to iPad page but clicking on any link brought me back to server error.
- jevinskie 15y agoThe store went down just as the checkout page (page after the smart cover upsell page) was loading. I auto refreshed on that URL and was able to place my preorder a few minutes ago.
- warmfuzzykitten 15y agoI stopped counting, but I must have started over a dozen times before I was finally able to check out. What I didn't know was that each walk through the iPad page was ordering another iPad, so my cart wound up with five of them (!) but thankfully removing the extra three didn't make me start over. [Aside: The new Apple TV is impossible to order from the website because the page has no continue or buy button! Maybe they'll notice when first day sales are zero. You can add one to your cart from the Apple Store iPhone app, but so far I have been unable to check out. Apple seriously underestimated the order volume for these products!]
- Fizzer 15y agoDoes anyone know if OpenGL's 1024x1024 image size restriction is being raised as well? Seems pretty limiting to not even be able to make an image that's as big as the screen without tiling four of them together.
- huggyface 15y agoDoes anyone know if OpenGL's 1024x1024 image size restriction is being raised as well? Referring to the maximum texture size, I assume? Don't current iOS / PowerVR implementations have a max texture size of 2048x2048? It isn't intrinsic to OpenGL but is implementation specific -- for instance the Mali-400 (GS II) and Tegra 2/3 is 4096x4096.
- toadkick 15y agoThe max texture size has been 2048x2048 since the 3GS
- toadkick 15y agoSounds like on the new iPad the max has further increased to 4096x4096
- abruzzi 15y agoI'm glad they didn't call it "iPad HD". Call me pedantic, but HD should be limited to ITU 'HDTV' broadcast spec, and the iPad 3's resolution doesn't fit. Instead it just confuses things with imprecise language.
- guelo 15y agoThe world of LCD panels baffles me. For some reason Apple can sell an iPad with a 2048x1536 IPS screen for $500 but your average $1,000 laptop comes with a crappy 1366x768 TFT screen or maybe 1920x1080 if you're lucky.
- wmf 15y agoScreen area costs money. Also, economy of scale; the iPad outsells any laptop model by a wide margin.
- kenrikm 15y agoExactly, Apple sells around 2mil+ Macs/Qtr most of which are laptops however they sell 15+mil iPads. It's easier to get volume deals on 15 million displays then it is 1-2mil.
- bryanlarsen 15y agoActually, I would think it would be the inverse. 1 million of anything is a volume order. 15 million of something means that the supplier has to build a new factory.
- kenrikm 15y agoApple has been known to build the factories for the suppliers or at least contributing to the cost to secure the products coming out of said factory. I remember them building a factory with Samsung (ironic) and Foxxconn.
- jcampbell1 15y agoThe cost is mostly in the tooling. So, if you are doing 1 million units and running your tooling 6000 hours per year, then if the cycle time is less than 20 seconds for any operation, then you are not fully using that piece of equipment. If you are doing 15M units a year, you will need to design/build/buy 10-100 units for each manufacturing step. That cuts your cost tremendously, because the custom design and engineering only needs to be done once.
- huggyface 15y agoI have four Android smartphones and two tablets, but this is the first Apple product that has really opened my wallet. Literally, my wallet is sitting open. But their store keeps crashing and going back to the offline state. Called their phone sales and they couldn't help me because they use the online system to enter orders. :-) Ah well, I'll get one soon enough.
- nextparadigms 15y agoWhat is it about it that made you want it so much? There will be Android tablets with just as high or higher resolution very soon, and with stronger CPU's than the still dual core Cortex A9 chip in the iPad 3.
- bryanlarsen 15y agoI'm thinking the same thing. The ASUS infinity's 1920x1200 screen is probably high enough to qualify as "retina" for my eyes at normal viewing distances, and the dual-S4 appears to be at least twice as fast as a dual core A9. The WIFI model isn't quite as exciting because it only uses quad core A9.
- huggyface 15y agoThe Asus Infinity is on my shortlist, however realistically when could it be in hand? Next month? The next month? Late summer? That's sadly how it usually is for products from just about any other company, and I wish they would learn from Apple. One company that seems to have gotten a clue on that is Samsung who are quite rightly trying to quiet the Galaxy S III noise until it is close to general availability. As to the actual CPU power I think it's reasonable to say that we're at a stage where how you use the CPU becomes far more important than the CPU itself. Apple manages to make a "1st generation" iPad operate competitively with a current generation Transformer Prime. That is just perverse. I want to fully exploit those dual A15 cores of the Infinity LTE, but sadly a lot of it is just trying to overcome the software gap.
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- Osiris 15y agoI think Apple is doing a great thing by pushing up display resolutions. I can't believe that PC manufacturers still REFUSE to produce laptops (at least consumer grade) with any resolutions higher than 1366x768. I've been watching consumer laptop sales for a year and the only one I've seen with a higher resolutions is a 17" beast. Luckily I got a 15" Macbook Pro from work with a 1680x1050. Everyone's known since the iPhone 4 that Apple would do a hi-res Tablet display, but PC manufacturers still refuse to innovate and put in hi-res displays in their laptops. I refuse to try to write code with only 768 vertical lines.
- jonnycowboy 15y agoMy year-old Dell XPS-15 has a 1920x1080 display (15") and is fairly "consumer grade". Granted it was an option, but still. Actually I have a problem with this screen - the font is too small (windows doesn't rescale automatically).
- Osiris 15y agoThat's interesting to know. Still, considering the hundreds of models of laptops available, it's a very very small percentage that offer anything other than 1366x768. The Macbook's minimum resolutions is 1440x900 and they offer 1680x1050 as an option.
- tikhonj 15y agoI think the opposite is true--Apple's laptops actually have much lower resolutions than some other options. The 13" laptop I'm currently using (which is even lighter than an Air) has a 1600x900 resolution; if I had been willing to order online they would have upgraded it to 1920x1080 for free (but I am not a patient man and at 13" that's a bit of overkill). If Apple releases a retina screen Air, I would seriously consider getting it. If they make one about as heavy with a high resolution and a 15" screen, I'm definitely getting one unless it has a slow SSD or is really incompatible with Linux.
- jiggy2011 15y agoPersonally, I would prefer to be able to still buy laptops (or any monitor for that matter) with a more "square" ratio. I have a new laptop with a 1366x768 resolution but my older P4 laptop with 1280x1024 (or thereabouts) is much more pleasant to write code (or write anything) on. Those extra 266 vertical pixels just make all the difference especially when you have so many toolbars etc. I don't understand why everything has to be widescreen now, it may be preferable for movies but that's surely not the main use case for a computer. That's what a TV is for.
- MatthewB 15y agoI'm wondering if my grandfathered unlimited plan with AT&T can be applied to the iPad?
- FaceKicker 15y agoIs it just me or do the comparison pics of the old iPad screen vs. new retina display on this page look exactly the same? http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/ http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/ Edit: never mind, there's a zoom widget I didn't notice.
- InclinedPlane 15y agoTalk to your optometrist.
- brianwillis 15y agoIs the loupe showing up for you? It didn't for me the first time I loaded the page, and I thought the same thing you did. It should look like this: http://i.imgur.com/WUQ7n.jpg http://i.imgur.com/WUQ7n.jpg
- trotsky 15y agoThey looked exactly the same to me as well the first time I looked. When I just clicked again a magnifying glass widget appeared over them that wasn't there the first time (even though I spent quite a while staring and scratching my head). It's obvious when that pops up.
- wmf 15y ago"Quad-core graphics" seems like misleading marketing to trick people into thinking A5X is equivalent to Tegra 3; this seems like a shame since Apple could presumably win without it.
- nextparadigms 15y agoSince the pixels are multiplied by 4, and the GPU only by 2, does this means the real world performance (in games) of the iPad 3 GPU should be half the performance of iPad 2?
- ericd 15y agoThat sort of depends on where the bottlenecks are, and what multiplying the GPU by 2 means. Basically, there's not enough info to say, and it'll probably require some benchmarking to tell.
- kenrikm 15y agoI doubt they are using the same GPU that's in the iPad 2,I suspect that they went with a higher end GPU and made it Quad. We will have to wait for a teardown to know with 100% certainty though.
- bryanlarsen 15y agoA teardown won't tell you anything: it'll tell you that the GPU is in a chip called the A5X. You might be able to get a little more by pulling out an electron microscope, but iFixit doesn't go that far, yet. :) It'll be the people doing software sleuthing that'll get you the answer. However we are fairly confident that Apple didn't build their own GPU -- they would have bragged about it if they did. There are a limited number of GPUs IP blocks available for licensing, so that does mean that speculation can be relatively accurate. Their use of the term "quad-core" makes it highly likely they're using the SGX543MP4, twice what is in the iPad 2 (although perhaps higher clocked or with better memory bandwidth). That's also the GPU in the playstation vita.
- halayli 15y agoWhy are you assuming it's linear?
- pfraze 15y agoThe two aren't directly related. More pixels means more information to store and process, but that's just one component of rendering.
- kenrikm 15y agoOuch, Just ordered 32gb 4g (AT&T) $780 with tax. If I were not using it for development it would hurt a lot more however it still is about double what I would be comfortable with for my own use.
- ericd 15y agoI'm always kind of surprised that the online store doesn't update instantly. I have to imagine that their "We'll be back soon" splash page kills a lot of potential impulse purchases. It seems to be back now, but the iPhone is showing "From $0", and clicking on the iPad gives an "Oops" error page. Couldn't this all be worked out in staging?
- allwein 15y ago> It seems to be back now, but the iPhone is showing "From $0" This is actually the correct pricing for the iPhone, since the 3GS is available free when signing up for a 2-year plan from AT&T.
- ericd 15y agoAh interesting, thanks for the correction, it's been too long since I've bought one of those. I didn't realize that they were even supporting the 3GS anymore, let alone selling it.
- awfabian2 15y agoI doubt anything technical prevents instant updating. Showmanship is a big part of the corporate DNA.
- awfabian2 15y agoI doubt anything technical prevents instant updating. Showmanship is a big part of the corporate DNA.
- awfabian2 15y agoI doubt the reason is technical. Showmanship is a big part of Apple's corporate DNA.
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- juiceandjuice 15y agoI think this link is titled wrong. Nowhere is it referred to as iPad 3, iPad HD or anything like that. It's just "The new iPad"
- incanus77 15y agoIt's spelled "iPad" and it's not the 3. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to get back to my Desk 4 and have some Breakfast 2.
- demallien 15y agoI don't think he knows about second breakfast Pip
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- lelf 15y agoIs me the only one was secretly hoping for tactile feedback?
- phn 15y agoYou were not :) I was really hoping for it. All in all I think it was a very "play it safe" upgrade.
- xpose2000 15y agoDuring iPhone 4S release, who cares about 4G. iPad HD, all hail 4G!
- cicloid 15y agoIsn't the LTE migration in part a cost saving measure for carriers and later on the final user? From what I remember, LTE does pump more data in a more cheap way; and the infrastructure for it is more cheap also.
- leeoniya 15y agoso Apple ditches Flash for HTML5, but requires Quicktime to play the Retina tech video? http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/ http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/
- leeoniya 15y agoyo dawg! we used quicktime to showcase your iPad3 so you can use apple proprietary tech while you watch apple proprietary tech.
- jiggy2011 15y agoI wonder what the implications of this will be for web design? A website built with a fixed with 1000 pixel design is suddenly going to look pretty silly on a new ipad. Of course if you design around large resolutions you will marginalize those with standard displays.
- kyleslattery 15y agoIt will work exactly like it does on the iPhone—if you specify 1000 pixels, it will be 1000 pixels wide on the non-retina iPads, and 2000 pixels on the new iPad.
- scrame 15y agoHooray! Another iteration of an expensive toy for tech managers trying to justify their jobs and people who think that money buys taste!
- unicron 15y agoYour post is the only sensible and realistic one in this entire thread. I congratulate you! I shall now park myself behind my ThinkPad with a real keyboard and get some work done rather than watching people masturbate over an expensive toy.
- tlb 15y agoResolutionary. What a godawful marketing department word. The first thing you see. I miss Steve.
- kaiwetzel 15y agoThe equivalent on the German Apple page seems to be "Sehvolutionär", literally "see-volutionary". (In case you thought it couldn't be worse.) Though I actually think it's a fun idea.
- macrael 15y agoIt's not unprecedented. The Macbook Air was marketed with "Thinovation"
- weiran 15y agoThere was also the funnest iPod.
- benwerd 15y agoI'm pretty psyched about the 1080p video. We just released our iPad app, which compresses video and shares it with people / teams, and my hope is that this will drive further adoption. Also, I want one, and I want to be able to share the video I take with it. I do resent how poorly my iPad 1 performs now though. I only bought it 18 months ago!
- warmfuzzykitten 15y agoApple can't keep the Apple store up. Why are they surprised by the load?
- robomartin 15y agoWhy I will not be buying an iPad 3: - Resolution: Who cares. - Camera: Who cares. - 4GLTE with a ridiculous price and cap. No thanks I don't think there's anything really compelling about the iPad 3 for the masses. Sure, they'll sell a bunch of them, mainly because, well, that's what they are selling now. Being on WiFi most of the time I don't see any motivation to get an iPad 3 over my iPad 2. Most of the time the iPad 2 is used to casually browse the web on the couch, play chess and mess around with other games. In none of these use cases has the iPad 2 screen resolution proven to be an issue at all. Once usage becomes more serious iPad 2 goes on the shelf and I/we switch to computers. All of our home computers are equipped with a minimum of two 24inch 1920 x 1200 pixel screens. There is no way the iPad 2 or 3 experience can compete with this at any level. I think Apple needs to fix the issue of carriers gouging customers for connectivity. We have four iPhones and two iPads. Why are we paying six fixed-cost, limited usage data plans when the devices are on WiFi most of the time? Why is it that we can't buy a "family" plan, if you will, and pay one fee for connectivity. That's what you do with DSL: You pay one amount for a data rate and it doesn't matter if you have one or fifteen computers attached to the service. The next revolution in mobile might not come until the recurring costs involved in using these devices come under control.
- jcfrei 15y agoI feel like apple is already slipping without steve jobs. calling the new ipad "the new ipad" certainly doesnt seem like a smart move (same goes with the iphone 4s - wouldnt you rather have an iphone 5?). and furthermore, there's again very little innovation in the device, the outside hasnt changed at all, albeit being a little thicker. just improving display resolution seems like a change most ipad2 users won't appreciate enough. I just feel like that apple is now just draining every penny from it's customers with small innovations and a huge brand - while still being unable to decide what to do with it's stockpiles of money.
- lukev 15y agoI actually agree with you to a large extent (especially on the iPhone 4s), but a vastly improved resolution + substantially better hardware do constitute a legitimate incremental release. You can't really expect them to do a full redesign with every product iteration, especially when they've obviously already landed on a local maxima of aesthetics and usability.
- jcfrei 15y agoyes but it still feels like those are rather intangible improvements to the average consumer. will he care so much about improved resolutions and processor speed? speaking of aesthetics, I would love to see a screen without bezel on the side (like the galaxy s3).
- eternalmatt 15y agoIt sincerely bothers me that no where no the apple.com site, has Apple referred to his as the iPad 3. The closest thing to a new name that they've given is "The new iPad". Please everyone stop calling this the iPad 3.
- cageface 15y agoIt says a lot that the longest thread thread here is about data plans. I guess this is a logical iteration of the iPad 2 but they really seem to have left the door open for an Android manufacturer to leap ahead here. Both this and the 4S feel like Apple on autopilot.
- dlsym 15y agoApple releases Ipad 3 - and no one cares.
- shad0wfax 15y agoWonder how many are willing to upgrade from Ipad 2? I have an Ipad 2, I don't see a need to upgrade. I am sure the tablet devices will follow a similar cycle as iPhone. Upgrade once in 2 years. I am beginning to wonder, the only aspects that might make me want to upgrade to IPad 4 next year, could be faster processor and more memory, thus making the overall experience better. I am sure Apple will have some exclusive software that will run only on their latest device (ex: Siri), that might force me to upgrade. Given how I use the Ipad right now - Videos, Netflix and eBooks (very limited browsing), I am ok with what I have now. Will be good to know some statistics on how many upgraded to Ipad 2 from Ipad 1.
- bstar77 15y agoMost of us moving up from the iPad2 already sold our iPads.
- shad0wfax 15y agoAgree, that is an option to make it easier to decide to upgrade. The question is are you (and the others who sold their iPad2) gadget freaks that lust for new stuff, or do you really see a value in the upgrade. What I am trying to figure out is, what keeps you(/me) wanting to upgrade to new tablets frequently, where as we are perfectly ok, running our 3+ year old Mac. Maybe the price point makes it more affordable to upgrade frequently.
- bstar77 15y agoI purchased the iPad2 despite being disappointed with the screen, but I knew I would use the device to death. I basically went into the purchase knowing I would be selling it in less than a year since apple products hold their value so well. So this upgrade does have a huge amount of value for me as the ipad2 display is very limiting. I am sort of a 'gadget freak', but I force myself to be on a budget and that usually requires me to sell my devices pretty frequently. With that said, I will probably use the ipad3 for the 2 year cycle unless I'm not impressed with the ipad5 (doubtful). I still have a 27" 2009 iMac that I absolutely love and probably won't be upgrading for a few more years (when desktop retina displays are common place). Once you get into the apple product cycle, if you buy early in the cycle and sell late, upgrades are not that painful. When I sold my netbook 2 years later I basically gave it away... that was painful.
- mikemoka 15y agoEveryone is speaking about bandwidth speed, but what about the first major product launch of the post-Steve era? What was your impression about it? A little bit of something clearly wasn't there if you ask me
- demallien 15y agoI don't know. It was better than the last announcement, the day before Steve died. But then, I suspect that none of them were at their best that day. At any rate Tim seemed much more relaxed this time round. There were moments where he really did seem to be enjoying himself - the big thumbs up after the Siri Japan demonstration springs to mind, but there were a couple of other moments too.
- mikemoka 15y agoEveryone is speaking about bandwidth speed, but what about the first major product launch of the post-Steve era? What was your impression about it? A little bit of something clearly wasn't there if you ask me
- marze 15y agoIn the presentation, Cook refers to the "new iPad" with no "3". Inside Apple, they probably have viewed what we call the iPad 1 and iPad 2 as the prequel 1 and prequel 2 to the actual iPad, which is only now finished.
- joshAg 15y agoWelp, this does it for me. As soon as i can get a completely carrier unlocked iPad in the bay area, I'm going to switch from my laptop (x61t) to this new iPad plus a dock and a BT keyboard and mouse. All I really need is an ssh/X-window server app, and I can run all my programs on my server or desktop.
- cmillllllls 15y agoApple should of bought t-mobile or another wireless company with 4g capability. It would allow them to have "apple" plans and could allow them to profit big from data plans. At&T is getting it for $39 billion. At this point, Apple has over $100 billion in the bank that they apparently don't know what to do with. SMH
- jorisw 15y ago1) It's spelled iPad. 2) It's not officially called iPad 3, just 'the new iPad'.