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macOS Ventura is now available

383 points by anuragsoni 4y ago

terracatta 4y ago
For IT/Security folks looking for a good rundown of what's new we put this together, talks about Passkeys, RSR, Gatekeeper improvements, and Lockdown mode. https://www.kolide.com/blog/the-security-and-it-admin-s-guide-to-macos-ventura https://www.kolide.com/blog/the-security-and-it-admin-s-guid...
- highwaylights 4y ago
  Passkeys is a bit of an odd one. They’ve been listing it as a Ventura upgrade, and all the marketing (more or less) points to this as a Ventura-and-later feature, but it’s on Big Sur and Monterey too.
  - jshier 4y ago
    It's really a Safari 16.1 feature, and 16.1 was released with Ventura, so I guess they're capitalizing on that publicity to drive the feature.
diimdeep 4y ago
Could anyone please share emoji file, do not want to get 12gb only for this :D `/System/Library/Fonts/Apple Color Emoji.ttc` nvm, https://0x0.st/oxdZ.ttc https://0x0.st/oxdZ.ttc Apple Color Emoji Version 18.0d4e1 Glyph count 3 574
- ezfe 4y ago
  You don't lose 12GB, since it's replacing existing data
- addandsubtract 4y ago
  What's the proper way to use/install these? Just copy it into `/Library/Fonts`?
sirwhinesalot 4y ago
Some very nice additions, specially in the backend (like improvements to the virtualization framework and metal 3). But I still despise this new iOS-inspired UI. They should make iOS prettier and more usable not macOS uglier and less usable.
antirez 4y ago
So they keep providing updates mostly focusing on people that heavily rely on the Apple ecosystem (iPhone, Mail & Safari, ...), without seriously improving the fundamental features of the OS. Well: very disappointed, again.
gorbypark 4y ago
I never checked before but just assumed my MBP from 2016 would be supported. It’s not. Really sucks since the current latest version works really well and the machine was maxed out (i7, 16gb ram) and is more than capable of handling Ventura. Apple seems to be aggressively dropping support for x86 macs, quicker than historically they did.
replwoacause 4y ago
Be aware anyone using Parallels 17, it isn't compatible on Ventura so you will have to upgrade to the latest version for $70: https://forum.parallels.com/threads/did-anyone-else-on-17-get-a-macos-ventura-service-notification.358473/ https://forum.parallels.com/threads/did-anyone-else-on-17-ge...
- replwoacause 4y ago
  So for what its worth, I just upgraded to Ventura and was able to continue using Windows 11 on Parallels 17, so I'm not really sure what is going on with their confusing messaging.
foxandmouse 4y ago
I'm eager to try this, but can someone please confirm if virtual-box is working without issue?
kderbyma 4y ago
wow.....nothing I want....and lots I don't like.....good job......:/
husamia 4y ago
download takes forever to complete. It's faster compiling it from source.
markdog12 4y ago
Every time I get a notification, Notification Center pegs to 100% CPU and locks up. Can't even get rid of the notification. Gotta kill the process.
atfzl 4y ago
Resident Evil Village is launching on 28 Oct with Apple Silicon support!
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- Cyberdog 4y ago
  Any word on No Man's Sky?
ajkjk 4y ago
What's the best place to read technical details about new Mac releases? This has a bit, as do other sites like https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/macos-13/ https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/macos-13/, but I wonder if there's something with a more exhaustive list -- something that reads like actual "patch notes".
- crummy 4y ago
  The answer is undoubtedly https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/macos-13-ventura-the-ars-technica-review/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/macos-13-ventura-the...
- cstuder 4y ago
  The Ars Technica reviews are always pretty thorough: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/macos-13-ventura-the-ars-technica-review/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/macos-13-ventura-the...
  - agumonkey 4y ago
    some things never change :)
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    What is with that extended scrolling thing though. I want to look at the scrollbar to know how long a document (including a web page) is, not have it keep changing as I move farther into it. 'Oh people don't like looking at long documents' - then they're not your target customers and you should just ignore them and stop listening to the ad sales person who is paid by commission.
    - duffyjp 4y ago
      Probably lazy loading the images/content blocks when you get near to save bandwidth but not having same-sized placeholders. I see that a lot.
      - 4y ago
jron 4y ago
Lockdown mode looks very usable despite the messaging that it is "designed for the very few individuals." Users can even exclude applications from Lockdown mode. When Lockdown Mode is enabled, some apps and features will function differently, including: Messages - Most message attachment types are blocked, other than certain images, video, and audio. Some features, such as links and link previews, are unavailable. Web browsing - Certain complex web technologies are blocked, which might cause some websites to load more slowly or not operate correctly. In addition, web fonts might not be displayed, and images might be replaced with a missing image icon. FaceTime - Incoming FaceTime calls are blocked unless you have previously called that person or contact. Apple Services - Incoming invitations for Apple Services, such as invitations to manage a home in the Home app, are blocked unless you have previously invited that person. Shared albums - Shared albums are removed from the Photos app, and new Shared Album invitations are blocked. You can still view these shared albums on other devices that don’t have Lockdown Mode enabled. USB accessories - To connect your device to a USB accessory or another computer, the device needs to be unlocked. Configuration profiles - Configuration profiles can’t be installed, and the device can’t be enrolled in Mobile Device Management or device supervision while in Lockdown Mode. Phone calls and plain text messages continue to work while Lockdown Mode is enabled. Emergency features, such as SOS emergency calls, are not affected. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212650 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212650
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- _jal 4y ago
  Yep, much like on the phone, Lockdown is really attractive to me to just run all the time. - I never want executable content sent to me via messages. - I already block web fonts everywhere I can. I do want to know what other "complex web technologies" are blocked. - I don't care about Facetime. - I don't use Apple services or Icloud. - Ignoring USB when locked should be a default.
  - sjtgraham 4y ago
    > I do want to know what other "complex web technologies" are blocked. JIT compilation, WASM, WebGL, Speech Recognition API, and the Web Audio API
galoisscobi 4y ago
I’m usually excited about macOS releases but this one is an underwhelming update and don’t see any reason to update any time soon. Stage manager seems like a half measure to introduce better window management in macOS and it doesn’t help that it doesn’t support a keyboard only workflow, from what I can tell from the demos. Coming from i3wm, I found Yabai to be an excellent keyboard-first window manager. I do wish something like Yabai was built into macOS.
- vbezhenar 4y ago
  One big feature for me is much improved Virtualization framework. I'm eager for https://github.com/docker/roadmap/issues/384 https://github.com/docker/roadmap/issues/384 to be closed. Must solve some QoL issues for me.
  - naikrovek 4y ago
    same. this is huge for me.
- ohCh6zos 4y ago
  I've played around with stage manager and it has left me scratching my head. It seems to have so much weird whitespace.
- terhechte 4y ago
  With Ventura there's Rosetta support in Linux VMs. This is something I'm a bit excited about.
- rz2k 4y ago
  Historically, the uninspiring and underwhelming major releases of OS X and macOS have ended up being the ones that users ended up having the most positive feelings about over the long term. They have tended to focus on faster performance, refining past features, and security improvements without the simultaneous introduction of fresh annoyances. However, since you aren't really missing anything in terms of new features, it also doesn't hurt to wait for a couple point releases to let other people find remaining bugs first.
gw99 4y ago
Updated already. Seems stable and they fixed a few annoying bugs in reminders.
sramsay 4y ago
Ventura and iPadOS 16 dropped (along with iOS 16.1), but not Xcode 14.1 (which is still RC). I don't recall them ever not releasing Xcode at the same time as an OS update.
- rcarmo 4y ago
  Well, I certainly hope the command-line tools are up to date. Otherwise upgrading brew and all its ecosystem might be somewhat of a pain.
  - sramsay 4y ago
    Right now, homebrew is refusing to compile packages from source: Error: Your Xcode (14.0.1) is too outdated. Please update to Xcode 14.1 (or delete it). Xcode can be updated from the App Store.
    - rcarmo 4y ago
      There _is_ a switch for that someplace. Or check the environment variables in the docs, I had that issue once in the past.
    - alwillis 4y ago
      I’ve been running Homebrew on Ventura beta all summer; if you don’t want to install the entire colossal Xcode 14.1, you probably just need the latest command line tools [1]. [1]: https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command_Line_Tools_for_Xcode_14.1_Release_Candidate/Command_Line_Tools_for_Xcode_14.1_Release_Candidate.dmg https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command...
      - wingworks 4y ago
        There is a new RC out (RC 2) https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command_Line_Tools_for_Xcode_14.1_Release_Candidate_2/Command_Line_Tools_for_Xcode_14.1_Release_Candidate_2.dmg https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command... You may also need to run sudo xcode-select -switch /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
faluzure 4y ago
Very curious to know if Venture + VM + Linux + Steam is a setup that'll work with the new VM support. I kind of want to play some old school windows games, but I don't want to pay for parallels.
- sbuk 4y ago
  Try UTM https://mac.getutm.app https://mac.getutm.app
  - rubyist5eva 4y ago
    Not OP but offering perspective: I've tried it and it's so painfully slow that I just coughed up the money for parallels.
    - sbuk 4y ago
      I wholeheartedly agree :)
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      Is Parallels that much faster?
      - rubyist5eva 4y ago
        In my experience using linux vms mainly for database workloads Parallels is nearly 10x faster than both UTM using Qemu and even Apple Virtualization (just tested it this morning using Ventura and the latest UTM 4.0 version with Ventura updates).
        smoldesu 4y ago
        Interesting, I didn't know you could even get better performance than properly-configured QEMU. Are you sure you had GPU passthrough enabled?
        4y ago
zestyping 4y ago
Countless person-years of engineering effort, and Spotlight is still mostly useless. All I want is to hit Command-F to quickly search the filenames in the current folder (not start a sluggish scan of my entire hard disk). There used to be workarounds for this, but then they removed "Find by Name..." from Finder just to make our lives harder. Does anyone know a workable alternative?
- bdlowery 4y ago
  There’s one simple solution… buy Alfred.
- ggandhi 4y ago
  Check this: https://github.com/ospfranco/sol https://github.com/ospfranco/sol
  - dorian-graph 4y ago
    Having grown tired of the design of Alfread and not wanting to commit to VC-backed Raycast, this is a nice discovery! Edit: A plugin system is on the TODO and that'd be the clincher.
- vvilliamperez 4y ago
  I'm still on Monty, does this work? https://imgur.com/a/ExV2wrP https://imgur.com/a/ExV2wrP
- rcarmo 4y ago
  What I typically do is remove _anything_ (web suggestions, etc.) that is not related to files. Usually fixes Spotlight across the board.
- m000 4y ago
  What do you mean "still mostly useless"? Is there anything more usable on any other OS? I moved back to Windows a couple of years back. Spotlight is the second thing I miss most from macOS, with the first being Preview.
yegle 4y ago
My friend has some issues with using the `scp` command on Ventura to copy files to a Synology NAS. It turns out the `scp` has been updated to use sftp protocol since OpenSSH 8.9 and Synology seems to use a different port for sftp, causing some hard to understand errors. https://lwn.net/Articles/835962/ https://lwn.net/Articles/835962/ for context.
- behnamoh 4y ago
  "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." This applies to Ventura, Windows 11, Android 12, and iOS 16. I tried updating to some of these, only to regret it later and downgrade.
  - thelibrarian 4y ago
    This was an upstream change in OpenSSH, not an arbitrary change by Apple. Also, scp was in fact broken, and they fixed it by changing it to use the SFTP protocol under the hood.
gjvc 4y ago
Snow Leopard was the peak
- f0ld 4y ago
  This. Double tap dragging felt great. I don't understand why they killed it. BTT revived it. They killed it too :) Why? \(??)/
- doodpants 4y ago
  And Mavericks was the peak of GUI look-and-feel, before they went with the all-flat look.
  - gjvc 4y ago
    I really loved Aqua (especially without the pinstripe backgrounds) The flat look and feel is exactly that.
  - AA-BA-94-2A-56 4y ago
    The flat look is good, but the regression in UX is not
rado 4y ago
Stage Manager is wonderful, because I can finally group an iOS simulator with the Safari inspector window that inspects it.
- Toutouxc 4y ago
  How is that different from putting the two in a separate space? Honest question, I'm still failing to see a single problem that Stage Manager solves.
  - rado 4y ago
    Quickly switch between the code editor and the simulator/inspector group
rcarmo 4y ago
All those improvements and the Mail experience is still lousy when you need to quickly move messages to folders. I have been relying on MsgFiler[1] for years, but it's been over two decades and Mail.app has not improved much (and mind you, I still prefer using Mail.app over anything else on a Mac). Thank goodness we still have plugins. [1]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/msgfiler/id418778021?mt=12 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/msgfiler/id418778021?mt=12
pbreit 4y ago
12GB download?
- pornel 4y ago
  Only 50% larger than Xcode.
sbdaman 4y ago
"We've been putting the same 720p webcam in our laptops for 10 years so just go ahead and use your phone instead"
- jedberg 4y ago
  "We could increase the BOM cost putting a bigger camera in but the thickness of the laptop lid is so thin it would never be as good as the phone you most likely already own, so we made it easer for you to use that". It's all a matter of perspective. :) I love the ability to use my phone as a webcam.
  - cantSpellSober 4y ago
    It's nice to have the option of buying and using a single brand of smartphone to use as your laptop's webcam; but I'd prefer to use the laptop's webcam as the laptop's webcam, or use my phone as a webcam. It's all a matter of perspective. :)
  - howinteresting 4y ago
    Well it only works with Apple phones so
    - jedberg 4y ago
      I suspect the Venn diagram of people who use a MacBook and people who use Android has a very small overlap in the circles.
      - JadeNB 4y ago
        > I suspect the Venn diagram of people who use a MacBook and people who use Android has a very small overlap in the circles. Why? I'm in the overlap, and I don't think I'm that unusual.
      - howinteresting 4y ago
        Almost every Mac user I know is in that category. Generally they use a company-issued Mac for work and have a personal Android phone.
sergiotapia 4y ago
I can't help but wonder how Steve Jobs would have flipped out if he saw something like this on his devices. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/product/availability/Apple-macOS-Ventura-Continuity-Camera_big.jpg.medium.jpg https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/product/availability/A...
- outsidetheparty 4y ago
  I'm so confused by that photo. Are you supposed to just duct-tape your phone to the laptop?
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    Expand your digital world while your apartment shrinks to the size of a closet
  - killjoywashere 4y ago
    They are preparing us for when they put phone grade cams in the MacBook: “We compressed everything you love about the iPhone camera, and it’s entire ecosystem, into this tiny, adorable little bump on the lid” complete with a $5M, 30 second video intro. And then it will be the coolest wart ever.
  - ekzy 4y ago
    It’d be cool if they used the iPhone built in magnets, and then display your phone stuff in the OS
    - alwillis 4y ago
      Belkin’s iPhone Mount does use the magnets required by MagSafe [1]. [1]: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HQ642ZM/A/belkin-iphone-mount-with-magsafe-for-mac-notebooks https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HQ642ZM/A/belkin-iphone-m...
      - ekzy 4y ago
        But it’d be even better if the laptop lid was just magnetic!
rahen 4y ago
Very excited about the ability to run x86 VMs through Rosetta. This will make x86 virtualization a lot more straightforward on Apple Silicon (no more reliance on qemu).
- waz0wski 4y ago
  Can Ventura run x86 VMs on M1/M2? I thought it was only able to run ARM VMs which can _utilize_ rosetta to run x86 code? https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/running_intel_binaries_in_linux_vms_with_rosetta https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/run...
  - saagarjha 4y ago
    You're correct, there is no support for directly running non-ARM VMs.
- dev_tty01 4y ago
  You ended up with bad information. You can not run x86 VMs through Rosetta. They do support Linux ARM VMs running x86 Linux binaries within the VM.
jbverschoor 4y ago
Stagemanager is very nice. I could see a "touchbar" right next to the trackpad. That would be very nice to switch apps
lelandfe 4y ago
And the legions of System Settings, Control Center, and Share Panel accessibility problems remain intact. I don't even understand the point of filing bugs during these betas anymore; macOS seems destined to be an unusable quagmire. This stuff was noticed months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31669950 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31669950
- vbezhenar 4y ago
  They have fixed date to release. They can't postpone release because of bugs they don't consider critical. Any mature and big project has thousands of known bugs which will never be fixed as it makes no financial sense. Sad but true. Some bugs probably will be fixed in the upcoming patches. Some will not.
ngrilly 4y ago
To switch to another window, we already had Command-Tab, Mission Control, Expose (now part of Mission Control if I understand correctly), and also clicking on the icons in the Dock. And now we have Stage Manager. I had to use Windows 10 as my main workstation for a few weeks at work, and I'm starting to think windows management is – perhaps – one of the rare things Windows does better than macOS. But of course I should probably try Stage Manager before ranting about it here :)
- samuelstros 4y ago
  I concluded that Windows has a better window management too. It is no coincidence that Mac users have hundreds of windows open while Windows users stay relatively organized. I tried out uBar for Mac OS https://ubarapp.com/ https://ubarapp.com/. Too buggy though.
  - tinus_hn 4y ago
    Windows has such great window management its users have much less windows open and thus manage much less windows than the MacOS, which has such bad window management its users manage hundreds of windows. It does not make a whole lot of sense.
    - samuelstros 4y ago
      I see where you are coming from. Windows has great window management = less chaos, less orphan open windows Mac OS has inferior window management = chaos, hundreds of open windows The main reasons stems from the fact that Windows open window discoverability is higher. Open windows are always displayed in the menu bar. MacOS only displays the app icon but provides no information about the open windows except for pressing F3. I hope that answer makes sense.
      - tinus_hn 4y ago
        Mac OS displays exactly the same information, Windows groups windows under one icon as well. Windows shows miniatures of the windows on hover, Mac OS pops them all up to the foreground if you click the icon and lists them on right click/control click. This theory makes little sense.
justinator 4y ago
macOS Ventura takes the Mac experience to a whole new level with groundbreaking capabilities that help users achieve more than ever. Now there's a nothing burger sentence to start us off.
- mastercheif 4y ago
  Well to be fair the macOS PM's probably didn't give the marketing team anything to work with. Likely told them to just file radars/feedback if they had any questions.
  - justinator 4y ago
    Honestly I have higher standards for Apple telling me why I should upgrade and not just a rehash of ZOMBO.
- Terretta 4y ago
  > whole new level with groundbreaking capabilities So, ground level?
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- skohan 4y ago
  This is like a placeholder sentence which should have been replaced with actual content.
EGreg 4y ago
When will Safari include Push Notifications on iOS? This SEEMS to say iOS 16.1 will, but I am not sure https://webkit.org/blog/13399/webkit-features-in-safari-16-1/ https://webkit.org/blog/13399/webkit-features-in-safari-16-1...
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  Can't wait for all my non-technical friends to sign up for spam notifications. I moved them off Android for similar reasons.
- diebeforei485 4y ago
  No, it says Safari 16.1 for macOS. Web Push won't come to iOS until a mid-cycle release, probably by March, maybe a bit sooner. Personally I hope they have some sort of scoring to alert people if they are subscribed to notifications that others have reported as being scammy. They hopefully learned from the Calendar spam problems. It's listed on this page (search for "2023"): https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-16/features/ https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-16/features/
neilv 4y ago
The Mac (historically being known for desktop publishing) should know that Ventura was someone else's brand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corel_Ventura https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corel_Ventura
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  It's OK to double up trademarked brands as long as it's in a different market. But you have to pretend to be upset about it in court to avoid claims that you have abandoned your trademark, which is why Apple sues every company with a name like 'Apple fruit company'.
behnamoh 4y ago
> The Weather and Clock apps come to Mac with all of the features users know and love from iPhone, and do things like check local forecasts, create alarms, set timers, and more. And yet there is no Apple weather app for iPad!
- kylehotchkiss 4y ago
  What? They just launched Apple Weather for iPad alongside this.
  - behnamoh 4y ago
    I didn't know that. IDK why it took Apple 12 years to add a weather app to iPad.
    - h4waii 4y ago
      The same reason there’s no Apple™ calculator app for iPad?
      - behnamoh 4y ago
        Because they can't do it so different that makes customers go "wow".
    - kylehotchkiss 4y ago
      I hear you that it took forever, they did a really good job with the dark sky acquisition and building a high quality app though. I find the new weather app more compelling than third party apps. Nice snappy radar, surprisingly good rain push notifications (I’ve gotten 5+ accurate push notifications for some unexpected San Diego rain this week!) and the air quality integration is far better than I would have anticipated!
  - wingworks 4y ago
    Noooooo, we finally get the weather app, and iPadOS 16 (needed for the app) drops my iPad (iPad Air 2)
bxparks 4y ago
It looks like Ventura drops support for the 2nd generation (Late 2010 to 2017) MacBook Airs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Air https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Air). So let's figure one more year for Big Sur, then another year for (edit) Monterey, then I guess they will need to migrate to Linux.
- insane_dreamer 4y ago
  Still on Catalina here, yikes (Concerns about potential VirtualBox issues held me back though I suppose I can/should at least upgrade to Monterey now.)
- jmiserez 4y ago
  Ventura even drops support for the 2016 (Touchbar) Macbook Pros which is frustrating. The machines are certainly powerful enough. But support for Intel Macs will probably be dropped sooner rather than later.
  - OttPeterR 4y ago
    I’m specifically peeved about this. My personal 2016 mbp has nearly identical specs to my work 2017 mbp but my personal one is being left behind. Maybe there’s some minuscule hardware issue they couldn’t be bothered to work out but 5-6 years of OS updates is upsettingly short. I’d expect that for an android phone but not a high end laptop… There does seem to be a dev working on porting over the OS if anyone has an earlier mac and really wants the new OS.
    - andrekandre 4y ago
      > My personal 2016 mbp has nearly identical specs to my work 2017 mbp but my personal one is being left behind. its crazy, my macbook (12 inch) 2017 with a dinky dual-core 1.3ghz is supported but not my quad-core 2.6ghz w/discreet gpu isnt... totally bonkers
hcarvalhoalves 4y ago
- turtlebits 4y ago
  I think you forgot two important points: - It's not required - It doesn't cost you anything
- alanwreath 4y ago
  I'm gonna guess you have not tried continuity camera....Then again maybe you don't care but it solidly upgraded my camera experience on the Mac through my Apple phone. I mean. This.Is.What.We're.Talking.About.With.EcoSystem. Today, I was finally glad to be drinking the coolaid (and I'm typing this from an x86 machine). That said, I share your frustration, I do happen to have a cluster of PopOS machines behind me for my kids (and I am sincerely digging that OS, but it also has it's warts)
YmiYugy 4y ago
It's macOS alright. The addition of a weather app is great. Otherwise I feel like macOS has mostly regressed since the redesign with Big Sur. I still miss the old design and performance has steadily declined with each version. Stage manager feels like this years version of "What if instead implementing window snapping we make up a new clunky way to disimprove multitasking.
jerrygoyal 4y ago
how a better windows management looks like: - show all windows of an app when switching windows (cmd+tab). currently only one window from each app is shown. - transition period when switching windows via three fingers gesture is too long. make it snappier.
- lwouis 4y ago
  You may like https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/ https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/
munificent 4y ago
Apple used to feel to me like a company that sold user experiences and the hardware was a means to that end. Now it feels like an electronics company that sells consumer hardware, and the user experience is just a necessary cost to be minimized.
city17 4y ago
There's a few nice quality of life features in Ventura, but MacOS really seems way down Apple's priority list nowadays. They're using all software building resources for iOS and then just slap any reusable features on their desktop OS whenever possible. Great when it works for apps that are quite similar (e.g. messages), terrible for things that simply work very differently on a desktop OS (system settings, stage manager is pointless etc.). Good opportunity for Windows to finally beat MacOS in UI/UX, since they don't have a mobile OS to worry about?
- rollcat 4y ago
  I agree with most of your assessment, however: > Good opportunity for Windows to finally beat MacOS in UI/UX, since they don't have a mobile OS to worry about? Given how much of a step back every Windows release is, starting after Win2k, in terms of *consistency* of the user experience - I would argue both companies are their own worst enemies here.
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- imbnwa 4y ago
  Windows hasn't even ported all their Win2K GUIs to whatever their current UI framework is
  - VancouverMan 4y ago
    Those tend to be the most usable parts of modern Windows releases.
anigbrowl 4y ago
The update is cool but the update process was not. -Update available, wanna install? Sure -OK don't mind me I'm gonna need a while OK -HA HA I LIED I"M READY TO TERMINATE EVERYTHING BYEEEE WTF 5 reboots with just an Apple icon and a progress bar The progress bar also moves backwards sometimes I guess it's a metaphor for life, which is how long this seems to be taking -OK hello I am back but I need 10 minutes of alone time -Here is some unfamiliar wallpaper but you can log in I guess -Oh it's you again, do you want to share analytics with us -OK here is your familiar desktop, I am not telling you what has changed Um preferences -Oh hai I'm called Settings now and I reorganized everything Yikes but OK this is sorta well laid out I guess -Hello I am Stage Manager, I put a desktop on your desktop so you can work while you work Sorta neat, can I configure some things differently though -No Funnily enough I had just started reading the Ars Technica review when the upgrade took place so that helped with navigating the changes but it was an oddly jarring transition. I get that Apple doesn't like burdening users with too much technical information (as in 'any') but given how significantly the Settings app has changed I'm surprised there was no Release notes or feature tour of any kind.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  I am ethically obliged to supplement my original summary [hours later] -Ha ha just kidding of course there's a feature tour do you want to see it now Hmm OK -Have you ever wished I was a phone? (8 slides) Really? Let's have a talk about Preferences -They are Settings OK, let's have a talk about Settings -No
  - shpx 4y ago
    I do wish I could put a SIM card in my Macbook and not have to buy a phone.
    - frankfrankfrank 4y ago
      You are asking for an iPad.
BurningFrog 4y ago
Stopped reading at > With Continuity Camera, Mac users can leverage the powerful camera system on iPhone to unleash a groundbreaking webcam experience I don't have the energy to parse a lot of text like this...
- laundermaf 4y ago
  Hasn't 2000s+ Apple always talked that way in their marketing copy?
bredren 4y ago
Wow, clamshell to external monitor support is vastly improved. I couldn't believe it when it happened the first time. I have a MBA M2 going USB-C -> HDMI on a 4k Dell monitor. You can open and close the laptop and it switches the external from secondary to primary and back almost instantaneously. I'd describe this as a major improvement over every prior MacOS.
- abalaji 4y ago
  Wow! This alone is enough to convince me to upgrade.
- DavideNL 4y ago
  I wonder if it's also possible to just leave the Macbook "opened", but disable only the Macbooks display and not the external display (so you'd get the same result as clamshell)...?
  - alin23 4y ago
    Lunar's Blackout feature can do that: https://lunar.fyi/#blackout https://lunar.fyi/#blackout There's no built-in way to do it.
- antipaul 4y ago
  I think this is an Apple Silicon feature. Did this _not_ work on the same M2 laptop while on Monterey? (I've had this on Monterey from the beginning on M1 MacBook Pro)
  - vbezhenar 4y ago
    I own M1 MBP16. While closed laptop technically works... One nasty bug makes it unusable. I can't reliably switch keyboard layouts using globe button. This bug is absolutely weird and ridiculous and I have no idea how it's even possible. When laptop is opened, I press globe button and my keyboard layout is switched. Actually it does not work 100% reliably, but it's OK. With laptop closed it works like 20% of time. Have no idea about ventura, will not update before first patch, I guess.
nsxwolf 4y ago
I ended up skipping Monterey on my 2013 Mac Pro entirely because it wouldn't let me install it because my original SSD broke and I replaced it with a non-Apple SSD. Starting with Monterey, that's not cool anymore because reasons. Supposedly if you install the original SSD it will update some firmware somewhere and you'll be able to use the 3rd party SSD after that. But, like I said, mine's broken. You can supposedly also buy a used genuine SSD off eBay, but that seems a slightly expensive way to do a free OS upgrade. Interesting story, Apple will not sell you a replacement or upgrade SSD for your 2013 Mac Pro - not for any price. They're only available for warranty replacements, and these computers haven't been under warranty for a long time. Another thing I assume is still not fixed: The ability to permanently disable VRR for monitors that don't behave well with Apple's VRR implementation. That one's been annoying me with Monterey on my work laptop. Every time the computer sleeps, it turns VRR back on, and my screen blinks and flickers away until I manually turn it off again.
- rubiquity 4y ago
  Apple's playbook is to use hardware support as a reason to drop software support to encourage (nudge?) customers to buy more hardware. Recently it has been dropping new macOS versions for non-metal GPUs and now (Monterey) not supporting SSDs without T2/Secure Enclave, and there are other examples before those. You get bit by this and decide if you want to stay on that train or get off. I was one-and-done with that ecosystem and my Late 2013 MacBook Pro. Also you can still update that Mac Pro of yours to Monterey if you use the Open Core bootloader. It just requires going off the beaten path.
  - CharlesW 4y ago
    > Apple's playbook is to use hardware support as a reason to drop software support to encourage (nudge?) customers to buy more hardware. I mean, Apple was making new versions of macOS that supported the 2013 Mac Pro until literally today. If that's their playbook, they're not doing great.
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mikae1 4y ago
Is there anything there for people like us? Can't remember the last time I got excited about upgrading macOS.
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matai_kolila 4y ago
Did this update add an "archive" feature to Messages? I can't directly tell from this summary ("powerful" isn't all that descriptive, turns out).
satysin 4y ago
Installed fine on my 2018 15" MacBook Pro. Still a good machine that I use as my main machine. Took about 20 minutes I guess, didn't time it but was ready quicker than I expected. None of the changes are life changing but oh well, isn't often a desktop OS really surprises me with something new these days. Hopefully it is as stable as Monterey was for me which didn't have a single crash in the whole year. Stage Manager is interesting but a very minimal effort by Apple. They really need to work on better overall window management in macOS. Snapping and tighter keyboard management for moving and resizing windows is badly needed. Either that or they need to relax their accessibility restrictions for apps so that we can get some good third-party options without needing to disable SIP. Overall it seems to be mostly quality of life improvements, a few related to their primary services (such as Photo Library sharing) which will obviously be handy for up-selling iCloud/Apple One paid upgrades. I am interested to see the new virtualisation framework stuff. Wondering if things like Distrobox (podman) can make use of it.
- SamuelAdams 4y ago
  I’ve been using Rectangle for window management. Works well for my workflow since I’ll usually just pin two apps side by side, and jump them around different screens. It would be nice to have this feature natively though. https://rectangleapp.com/ https://rectangleapp.com/
  - satysin 4y ago
    Yeah I have been using Magnet since longer than I can remember. It is limited though. It's fine for basic snapping side by side or in quads but can't do multi-resizing (i.e. resizing two windows snapped side by side that are not fullscreen), doesn't have layouts, can't place a window when it is opened (e.g. auto snap terminal to bottom left if first Terminal window opened), etc. I would love to see a full manual or dynamic tiling window manager for macOS that didn't require disabling SIP like yabai does and wasn't super janky.
    - d3nj4l 4y ago
      You can use most of yabai without disabling SIP, and as a regular user the most jank in yabai IMO is some reflow that happens whenever your display config changes, which I think is largely forgivable.
jensenbox 4y ago
I cannot help but see a visual of Jim Carrey saying "Alrighty then" every time I read the name.
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tnmears 4y ago
Did anyone else get a Safari window after the update with a iCloud page to setup family sharing?
- agoddard 4y ago
  yep, it opened to this page https://setup.icloud.com/family/cacheMugshotMarquee?aaaction=createCache https://setup.icloud.com/family/cacheMugshotMarquee?aaaction... which responds with a HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request seems like a bug, weird that it didn't get picked up before GM as it was also noticed during the beta: https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/712858 https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/712858 Some discussion of it from today, but no definitive answers yet https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/strange-safari-open-tab-after-installation-of-ventura.2367182/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/strange-safari-open-tab...
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russellbeattie 4y ago
I don't use Safari, Mail, Photos, iCloud or Spotlight (except to start apps - I deselect all the other options), and only activate the sidebar/widgets on accident (out of sight, out of mind). Nor do I own an iPad or play games on my Mac. I'm sure I'll never use Stage Manager and hope it's something I can turn off. In short, this upgrade is simply an hour or so of annoyance, but Apple is Apple. You take the good with the bad. I have a dream - which will never happen - of a "MinMac" setting on install where you just get the least amount of cruft possible.
Maursault 4y ago
Was anyone able to resist upgrading from 12.6.1 to 13.0? I've never been enthusiastic about Apple's annual upgrade schedule for macOS, biannual was far more comfortable. When responsible for users' desktops, I tend to wait for months after at least .1 is released and even then only start with one lucky user for weeks of trial period, and I do the same with application updates. Invariably, users ask for upgrades, and I make them tell me what new features or security enhancements they can't do without, and that usually calms them down. At home, I'm still holding out on 10.14.6, but this old mini is only supported up to 10.15.7, so I figured I might as well freeze upgrading on Mojave so I can still run legacy 32-bit software if I want it. I may even downgrade to 10.13 so I can build Basilisk II and other 32-bit only software, but I suppose I can still use binaries, so not absolutely necessary. I just don't need new hardware yet, so I have the luxury of waiting until after Apple stops selling M1 minis. They're so reasonable to begin with, my hope is they can soon after be found for a song. I really want a 2018 Mini, also, but they'll take longer to come down in price, unfortunately and for no particularly great reason.
shepherdjerred 4y ago
I'm surprised they released this. I try to participate in every macOS beta I can. This is by far the most unstable release I've experienced. - Settings app has a lot of weird bugs and performance issues. After a restart I have to wait a few minutes before the Settings app actually functions. Overall the Settings app has felt like a step back in terms of UX and performance - Lots of weird issues with Docker (might be on Docker's side though) - My screen goes black after disconnecting my external monitor and requires a restart to fix the issue - Strange networking issues
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- Scharkenberg 4y ago
  I just upgraded my Mac and holy cow, is the new System Settings app buggy... and it's also fixed-width for whatever reason. Also, it seems to think - for a few moments after every restart - that my Wifi connection is to a hidden network, when it actually isn't. Welp.
  - concinds 4y ago
    System Preferences was always fixed-width; it's Windows's Settings app that's not.
    - Scharkenberg 4y ago
      Yes, but I was expecting the new one to have a responsive design. Wasn't it rewritten from scratch using iOS-like tech or something?
      - concinds 4y ago
        Don't know how if it was rewritten; but it's no longer fixed-height, which is IMO what matters when dealing with long lists.
- pornel 4y ago
js2 4y ago
Note: it's possible to install Ventura side-by-side with Monterey: https://eclecticlight.co/2022/10/04/how-to-keep-monterey-when-upgrading-to-ventura/ https://eclecticlight.co/2022/10/04/how-to-keep-monterey-whe...
jaimex2 4y ago
> Gaming on Mac Reaches New Heights I laughed in real life.
- shepherdjerred 4y ago
  I've actually had a decent experience on my M1. You're not going to be playing AAA games, but League of Legends, Civ, Minecraft, Factorio -- all play pretty well at medium-ish settings.
thomasjudge 4y ago
Is it possible to run this on a VM?
nuker 4y ago
I hope they fixed Night Shift. It was always turning off when it was supposed to turn on. Whatever checkboxes checked. Like 6pm screen goes blueish, wtf.
regular 4y ago
gloosx 4y ago
How about fixing the damn MIDI server which is crashing since Yosemite? Seriously, another big update feels like a pack of minor changes which could fit in a small patch, marketed as "whole new level with groundbreaking capabilities"
Razengan 4y ago
Focus on Mac could be so much better, but sadly like file tags, it remains half-baked. I'd love to be able to set, say a "Programming" Focus, and have everything else disappear: All my desktop spaces would change, including their wallpapers (replaced by the Matrix green rain) and only the apps that I allowed would be visible, and even the files/folders and websites which I didn't include in that Focus should not be accessible (from the GUI or Terminal at least). Basically it should be sort of like logging into a different user account, without logging into a different user account (i.e. keeping all your data and state, just temporarily filtering it). In fact I think all operating systems should adopt the notion of a "focus" as a fundamental sub-level under the user account: Bob may have a social networking focus, office focus, or no focus, and so on.
- Toutouxc 4y ago
  Trying to achieve some of that with Shortcuts, AppleScript and some shell scripting could be a fun weekend project. There's quite a lot of stuff in macOS (iOS and iPadOS too!) that's surprisingly scriptable.
  - Razengan 4y ago
    Yes, the out-of-the-box extensibility/scriptability of macOS is often overlooked by people coming from Windows thinking uglier==smarter && prettier==dumber.
8fingerlouie 4y ago
Updated my MacBook Pro, worked well (as expected), then proceeded to upgrade my M1 Mini headless "server". Update in itself went OK, though it doesn't respect that i have user accounts on an external SSD, so i had to ssh in as my "admin account", delete the /Volumes/Homes mount and reboot. Now, my mini mirrors our cloud data locally for backups, and as such every user is signed in, and one way of doing that is simply a remote desktop and "switch user". It's cumbersome, and i wish it would just "magically" synchronize data once the user had registered on it, but it only needs to be done every time it restarts, which is when i new patch/version is released. Anyway, i clicked "switch user" and poof lost connection. Following tries gave an "invalid desktop size 0x0" error, or it simply produced noise on the remote desktop window. Logging in the user directly through remote desktop worked, but just be aware there may be dragons.
concinds 4y ago
Here's a good write-up on Stage Manager: https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manager-is-so-important/ https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manag... What I didn't know, is that you can hide "Recent Apps" (the app thumbnails on the left) in System Settings. It supplements Mission Control & Spaces, and makes it quite easy to switch between apps. You can also group multiple windows together to switch to them in one tap. Pretty neat.

383 points by anuragsoni 4y ago

For IT/Security folks looking for a good rundown of what's new we put this together, talks about Passkeys, RSR, Gatekeeper improvements, and Lockdown mode. https://www.kolide.com/blog/the-security-and-it-admin-s-guide-to-macos-ventura https://www.kolide.com/blog/the-security-and-it-admin-s-guid...

highwaylights 4y ago
Passkeys is a bit of an odd one. They’ve been listing it as a Ventura upgrade, and all the marketing (more or less) points to this as a Ventura-and-later feature, but it’s on Big Sur and Monterey too.
- jshier 4y ago
  It's really a Safari 16.1 feature, and 16.1 was released with Ventura, so I guess they're capitalizing on that publicity to drive the feature.

diimdeep 4y ago

Could anyone please share emoji file, do not want to get 12gb only for this :D `/System/Library/Fonts/Apple Color Emoji.ttc` nvm, https://0x0.st/oxdZ.ttc https://0x0.st/oxdZ.ttc Apple Color Emoji Version 18.0d4e1 Glyph count 3 574

ezfe 4y ago
You don't lose 12GB, since it's replacing existing data
addandsubtract 4y ago
What's the proper way to use/install these? Just copy it into `/Library/Fonts`?

sirwhinesalot 4y ago

Some very nice additions, specially in the backend (like improvements to the virtualization framework and metal 3). But I still despise this new iOS-inspired UI. They should make iOS prettier and more usable not macOS uglier and less usable.

antirez 4y ago

So they keep providing updates mostly focusing on people that heavily rely on the Apple ecosystem (iPhone, Mail & Safari, ...), without seriously improving the fundamental features of the OS. Well: very disappointed, again.

gorbypark 4y ago

I never checked before but just assumed my MBP from 2016 would be supported. It’s not. Really sucks since the current latest version works really well and the machine was maxed out (i7, 16gb ram) and is more than capable of handling Ventura. Apple seems to be aggressively dropping support for x86 macs, quicker than historically they did.

replwoacause 4y ago

Be aware anyone using Parallels 17, it isn't compatible on Ventura so you will have to upgrade to the latest version for $70: https://forum.parallels.com/threads/did-anyone-else-on-17-get-a-macos-ventura-service-notification.358473/ https://forum.parallels.com/threads/did-anyone-else-on-17-ge...

replwoacause 4y ago
So for what its worth, I just upgraded to Ventura and was able to continue using Windows 11 on Parallels 17, so I'm not really sure what is going on with their confusing messaging.

foxandmouse 4y ago

I'm eager to try this, but can someone please confirm if virtual-box is working without issue?

kderbyma 4y ago

wow.....nothing I want....and lots I don't like.....good job......:/

husamia 4y ago

download takes forever to complete. It's faster compiling it from source.

markdog12 4y ago

Every time I get a notification, Notification Center pegs to 100% CPU and locks up. Can't even get rid of the notification. Gotta kill the process.

atfzl 4y ago

Resident Evil Village is launching on 28 Oct with Apple Silicon support!

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Cyberdog 4y ago
Any word on No Man's Sky?

ajkjk 4y ago

What's the best place to read technical details about new Mac releases? This has a bit, as do other sites like https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/macos-13/ https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/macos-13/, but I wonder if there's something with a more exhaustive list -- something that reads like actual "patch notes".

crummy 4y ago
The answer is undoubtedly https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/macos-13-ventura-the-ars-technica-review/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/macos-13-ventura-the...
cstuder 4y ago
The Ars Technica reviews are always pretty thorough: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/macos-13-ventura-the-ars-technica-review/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/macos-13-ventura-the...
- agumonkey 4y ago
  some things never change :)
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  What is with that extended scrolling thing though. I want to look at the scrollbar to know how long a document (including a web page) is, not have it keep changing as I move farther into it. 'Oh people don't like looking at long documents' - then they're not your target customers and you should just ignore them and stop listening to the ad sales person who is paid by commission.
  - duffyjp 4y ago
    Probably lazy loading the images/content blocks when you get near to save bandwidth but not having same-sized placeholders. I see that a lot.
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jron 4y ago

Lockdown mode looks very usable despite the messaging that it is "designed for the very few individuals." Users can even exclude applications from Lockdown mode. When Lockdown Mode is enabled, some apps and features will function differently, including: Messages - Most message attachment types are blocked, other than certain images, video, and audio. Some features, such as links and link previews, are unavailable. Web browsing - Certain complex web technologies are blocked, which might cause some websites to load more slowly or not operate correctly. In addition, web fonts might not be displayed, and images might be replaced with a missing image icon. FaceTime - Incoming FaceTime calls are blocked unless you have previously called that person or contact. Apple Services - Incoming invitations for Apple Services, such as invitations to manage a home in the Home app, are blocked unless you have previously invited that person. Shared albums - Shared albums are removed from the Photos app, and new Shared Album invitations are blocked. You can still view these shared albums on other devices that don’t have Lockdown Mode enabled. USB accessories - To connect your device to a USB accessory or another computer, the device needs to be unlocked. Configuration profiles - Configuration profiles can’t be installed, and the device can’t be enrolled in Mobile Device Management or device supervision while in Lockdown Mode. Phone calls and plain text messages continue to work while Lockdown Mode is enabled. Emergency features, such as SOS emergency calls, are not affected. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212650 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212650

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_jal 4y ago
Yep, much like on the phone, Lockdown is really attractive to me to just run all the time. - I never want executable content sent to me via messages. - I already block web fonts everywhere I can. I do want to know what other "complex web technologies" are blocked. - I don't care about Facetime. - I don't use Apple services or Icloud. - Ignoring USB when locked should be a default.
- sjtgraham 4y ago
  > I do want to know what other "complex web technologies" are blocked. JIT compilation, WASM, WebGL, Speech Recognition API, and the Web Audio API

galoisscobi 4y ago

I’m usually excited about macOS releases but this one is an underwhelming update and don’t see any reason to update any time soon. Stage manager seems like a half measure to introduce better window management in macOS and it doesn’t help that it doesn’t support a keyboard only workflow, from what I can tell from the demos. Coming from i3wm, I found Yabai to be an excellent keyboard-first window manager. I do wish something like Yabai was built into macOS.

vbezhenar 4y ago
One big feature for me is much improved Virtualization framework. I'm eager for https://github.com/docker/roadmap/issues/384 https://github.com/docker/roadmap/issues/384 to be closed. Must solve some QoL issues for me.
- naikrovek 4y ago
  same. this is huge for me.
ohCh6zos 4y ago
I've played around with stage manager and it has left me scratching my head. It seems to have so much weird whitespace.
terhechte 4y ago
With Ventura there's Rosetta support in Linux VMs. This is something I'm a bit excited about.
rz2k 4y ago
Historically, the uninspiring and underwhelming major releases of OS X and macOS have ended up being the ones that users ended up having the most positive feelings about over the long term. They have tended to focus on faster performance, refining past features, and security improvements without the simultaneous introduction of fresh annoyances. However, since you aren't really missing anything in terms of new features, it also doesn't hurt to wait for a couple point releases to let other people find remaining bugs first.

gw99 4y ago

Updated already. Seems stable and they fixed a few annoying bugs in reminders.

sramsay 4y ago

Ventura and iPadOS 16 dropped (along with iOS 16.1), but not Xcode 14.1 (which is still RC). I don't recall them ever not releasing Xcode at the same time as an OS update.

rcarmo 4y ago
Well, I certainly hope the command-line tools are up to date. Otherwise upgrading brew and all its ecosystem might be somewhat of a pain.
- sramsay 4y ago
  Right now, homebrew is refusing to compile packages from source: Error: Your Xcode (14.0.1) is too outdated. Please update to Xcode 14.1 (or delete it). Xcode can be updated from the App Store.
  - rcarmo 4y ago
    There _is_ a switch for that someplace. Or check the environment variables in the docs, I had that issue once in the past.
  - alwillis 4y ago
    I’ve been running Homebrew on Ventura beta all summer; if you don’t want to install the entire colossal Xcode 14.1, you probably just need the latest command line tools [1]. [1]: https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command_Line_Tools_for_Xcode_14.1_Release_Candidate/Command_Line_Tools_for_Xcode_14.1_Release_Candidate.dmg https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command...
    - wingworks 4y ago
      There is a new RC out (RC 2) https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command_Line_Tools_for_Xcode_14.1_Release_Candidate_2/Command_Line_Tools_for_Xcode_14.1_Release_Candidate_2.dmg https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command... You may also need to run sudo xcode-select -switch /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools

faluzure 4y ago

Very curious to know if Venture + VM + Linux + Steam is a setup that'll work with the new VM support. I kind of want to play some old school windows games, but I don't want to pay for parallels.

sbuk 4y ago
Try UTM https://mac.getutm.app https://mac.getutm.app
- rubyist5eva 4y ago
  Not OP but offering perspective: I've tried it and it's so painfully slow that I just coughed up the money for parallels.
  - sbuk 4y ago
    I wholeheartedly agree :)
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    Is Parallels that much faster?
    - rubyist5eva 4y ago
      In my experience using linux vms mainly for database workloads Parallels is nearly 10x faster than both UTM using Qemu and even Apple Virtualization (just tested it this morning using Ventura and the latest UTM 4.0 version with Ventura updates).
      - smoldesu 4y ago
        Interesting, I didn't know you could even get better performance than properly-configured QEMU. Are you sure you had GPU passthrough enabled?
        4y ago

zestyping 4y ago

Countless person-years of engineering effort, and Spotlight is still mostly useless. All I want is to hit Command-F to quickly search the filenames in the current folder (not start a sluggish scan of my entire hard disk). There used to be workarounds for this, but then they removed "Find by Name..." from Finder just to make our lives harder. Does anyone know a workable alternative?

bdlowery 4y ago
There’s one simple solution… buy Alfred.
ggandhi 4y ago
Check this: https://github.com/ospfranco/sol https://github.com/ospfranco/sol
- dorian-graph 4y ago
  Having grown tired of the design of Alfread and not wanting to commit to VC-backed Raycast, this is a nice discovery! Edit: A plugin system is on the TODO and that'd be the clincher.
vvilliamperez 4y ago
I'm still on Monty, does this work? https://imgur.com/a/ExV2wrP https://imgur.com/a/ExV2wrP
rcarmo 4y ago
What I typically do is remove _anything_ (web suggestions, etc.) that is not related to files. Usually fixes Spotlight across the board.
m000 4y ago
What do you mean "still mostly useless"? Is there anything more usable on any other OS? I moved back to Windows a couple of years back. Spotlight is the second thing I miss most from macOS, with the first being Preview.

yegle 4y ago

My friend has some issues with using the `scp` command on Ventura to copy files to a Synology NAS. It turns out the `scp` has been updated to use sftp protocol since OpenSSH 8.9 and Synology seems to use a different port for sftp, causing some hard to understand errors. https://lwn.net/Articles/835962/ https://lwn.net/Articles/835962/ for context.

behnamoh 4y ago
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." This applies to Ventura, Windows 11, Android 12, and iOS 16. I tried updating to some of these, only to regret it later and downgrade.
- thelibrarian 4y ago
  This was an upstream change in OpenSSH, not an arbitrary change by Apple. Also, scp was in fact broken, and they fixed it by changing it to use the SFTP protocol under the hood.

gjvc 4y ago

Snow Leopard was the peak

f0ld 4y ago
This. Double tap dragging felt great. I don't understand why they killed it. BTT revived it. They killed it too :) Why? \(??)/
doodpants 4y ago
And Mavericks was the peak of GUI look-and-feel, before they went with the all-flat look.
- gjvc 4y ago
  I really loved Aqua (especially without the pinstripe backgrounds) The flat look and feel is exactly that.
- AA-BA-94-2A-56 4y ago
  The flat look is good, but the regression in UX is not

rado 4y ago

Stage Manager is wonderful, because I can finally group an iOS simulator with the Safari inspector window that inspects it.

Toutouxc 4y ago
How is that different from putting the two in a separate space? Honest question, I'm still failing to see a single problem that Stage Manager solves.
- rado 4y ago
  Quickly switch between the code editor and the simulator/inspector group

rcarmo 4y ago

All those improvements and the Mail experience is still lousy when you need to quickly move messages to folders. I have been relying on MsgFiler[1] for years, but it's been over two decades and Mail.app has not improved much (and mind you, I still prefer using Mail.app over anything else on a Mac). Thank goodness we still have plugins. [1]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/msgfiler/id418778021?mt=12 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/msgfiler/id418778021?mt=12

pbreit 4y ago

12GB download?

pornel 4y ago
Only 50% larger than Xcode.

sbdaman 4y ago

"We've been putting the same 720p webcam in our laptops for 10 years so just go ahead and use your phone instead"

jedberg 4y ago
"We could increase the BOM cost putting a bigger camera in but the thickness of the laptop lid is so thin it would never be as good as the phone you most likely already own, so we made it easer for you to use that". It's all a matter of perspective. :) I love the ability to use my phone as a webcam.
- cantSpellSober 4y ago
  It's nice to have the option of buying and using a single brand of smartphone to use as your laptop's webcam; but I'd prefer to use the laptop's webcam as the laptop's webcam, or use my phone as a webcam. It's all a matter of perspective. :)
- howinteresting 4y ago
  Well it only works with Apple phones so
  - jedberg 4y ago
    I suspect the Venn diagram of people who use a MacBook and people who use Android has a very small overlap in the circles.
    - JadeNB 4y ago
      > I suspect the Venn diagram of people who use a MacBook and people who use Android has a very small overlap in the circles. Why? I'm in the overlap, and I don't think I'm that unusual.
    - howinteresting 4y ago
      Almost every Mac user I know is in that category. Generally they use a company-issued Mac for work and have a personal Android phone.

sergiotapia 4y ago

I can't help but wonder how Steve Jobs would have flipped out if he saw something like this on his devices. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/product/availability/Apple-macOS-Ventura-Continuity-Camera_big.jpg.medium.jpg https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/product/availability/A...

outsidetheparty 4y ago
I'm so confused by that photo. Are you supposed to just duct-tape your phone to the laptop?
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  Expand your digital world while your apartment shrinks to the size of a closet
- killjoywashere 4y ago
  They are preparing us for when they put phone grade cams in the MacBook: “We compressed everything you love about the iPhone camera, and it’s entire ecosystem, into this tiny, adorable little bump on the lid” complete with a $5M, 30 second video intro. And then it will be the coolest wart ever.
- ekzy 4y ago
  It’d be cool if they used the iPhone built in magnets, and then display your phone stuff in the OS
  - alwillis 4y ago
    Belkin’s iPhone Mount does use the magnets required by MagSafe [1]. [1]: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HQ642ZM/A/belkin-iphone-mount-with-magsafe-for-mac-notebooks https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HQ642ZM/A/belkin-iphone-m...
    - ekzy 4y ago
      But it’d be even better if the laptop lid was just magnetic!

rahen 4y ago

Very excited about the ability to run x86 VMs through Rosetta. This will make x86 virtualization a lot more straightforward on Apple Silicon (no more reliance on qemu).

waz0wski 4y ago
Can Ventura run x86 VMs on M1/M2? I thought it was only able to run ARM VMs which can _utilize_ rosetta to run x86 code? https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/running_intel_binaries_in_linux_vms_with_rosetta https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/run...
- saagarjha 4y ago
  You're correct, there is no support for directly running non-ARM VMs.
dev_tty01 4y ago
You ended up with bad information. You can not run x86 VMs through Rosetta. They do support Linux ARM VMs running x86 Linux binaries within the VM.

jbverschoor 4y ago

Stagemanager is very nice. I could see a "touchbar" right next to the trackpad. That would be very nice to switch apps

lelandfe 4y ago

And the legions of System Settings, Control Center, and Share Panel accessibility problems remain intact. I don't even understand the point of filing bugs during these betas anymore; macOS seems destined to be an unusable quagmire. This stuff was noticed months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31669950 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31669950

vbezhenar 4y ago
They have fixed date to release. They can't postpone release because of bugs they don't consider critical. Any mature and big project has thousands of known bugs which will never be fixed as it makes no financial sense. Sad but true. Some bugs probably will be fixed in the upcoming patches. Some will not.

ngrilly 4y ago

To switch to another window, we already had Command-Tab, Mission Control, Expose (now part of Mission Control if I understand correctly), and also clicking on the icons in the Dock. And now we have Stage Manager. I had to use Windows 10 as my main workstation for a few weeks at work, and I'm starting to think windows management is – perhaps – one of the rare things Windows does better than macOS. But of course I should probably try Stage Manager before ranting about it here :)

samuelstros 4y ago
I concluded that Windows has a better window management too. It is no coincidence that Mac users have hundreds of windows open while Windows users stay relatively organized. I tried out uBar for Mac OS https://ubarapp.com/ https://ubarapp.com/. Too buggy though.
- tinus_hn 4y ago
  Windows has such great window management its users have much less windows open and thus manage much less windows than the MacOS, which has such bad window management its users manage hundreds of windows. It does not make a whole lot of sense.
  - samuelstros 4y ago
    I see where you are coming from. Windows has great window management = less chaos, less orphan open windows Mac OS has inferior window management = chaos, hundreds of open windows The main reasons stems from the fact that Windows open window discoverability is higher. Open windows are always displayed in the menu bar. MacOS only displays the app icon but provides no information about the open windows except for pressing F3. I hope that answer makes sense.
    - tinus_hn 4y ago
      Mac OS displays exactly the same information, Windows groups windows under one icon as well. Windows shows miniatures of the windows on hover, Mac OS pops them all up to the foreground if you click the icon and lists them on right click/control click. This theory makes little sense.

justinator 4y ago

macOS Ventura takes the Mac experience to a whole new level with groundbreaking capabilities that help users achieve more than ever. Now there's a nothing burger sentence to start us off.

mastercheif 4y ago
Well to be fair the macOS PM's probably didn't give the marketing team anything to work with. Likely told them to just file radars/feedback if they had any questions.
- justinator 4y ago
  Honestly I have higher standards for Apple telling me why I should upgrade and not just a rehash of ZOMBO.
Terretta 4y ago
> whole new level with groundbreaking capabilities So, ground level?
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skohan 4y ago
This is like a placeholder sentence which should have been replaced with actual content.

EGreg 4y ago

When will Safari include Push Notifications on iOS? This SEEMS to say iOS 16.1 will, but I am not sure https://webkit.org/blog/13399/webkit-features-in-safari-16-1/ https://webkit.org/blog/13399/webkit-features-in-safari-16-1...

Nextgrid 4y ago
Can't wait for all my non-technical friends to sign up for spam notifications. I moved them off Android for similar reasons.
diebeforei485 4y ago
No, it says Safari 16.1 for macOS. Web Push won't come to iOS until a mid-cycle release, probably by March, maybe a bit sooner. Personally I hope they have some sort of scoring to alert people if they are subscribed to notifications that others have reported as being scammy. They hopefully learned from the Calendar spam problems. It's listed on this page (search for "2023"): https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-16/features/ https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-16/features/

neilv 4y ago

The Mac (historically being known for desktop publishing) should know that Ventura was someone else's brand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corel_Ventura https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corel_Ventura

anigbrowl 4y ago
It's OK to double up trademarked brands as long as it's in a different market. But you have to pretend to be upset about it in court to avoid claims that you have abandoned your trademark, which is why Apple sues every company with a name like 'Apple fruit company'.

behnamoh 4y ago

> The Weather and Clock apps come to Mac with all of the features users know and love from iPhone, and do things like check local forecasts, create alarms, set timers, and more. And yet there is no Apple weather app for iPad!

kylehotchkiss 4y ago
What? They just launched Apple Weather for iPad alongside this.
- behnamoh 4y ago
  I didn't know that. IDK why it took Apple 12 years to add a weather app to iPad.
  - h4waii 4y ago
    The same reason there’s no Apple™ calculator app for iPad?
    - behnamoh 4y ago
      Because they can't do it so different that makes customers go "wow".
  - kylehotchkiss 4y ago
    I hear you that it took forever, they did a really good job with the dark sky acquisition and building a high quality app though. I find the new weather app more compelling than third party apps. Nice snappy radar, surprisingly good rain push notifications (I’ve gotten 5+ accurate push notifications for some unexpected San Diego rain this week!) and the air quality integration is far better than I would have anticipated!
- wingworks 4y ago
  Noooooo, we finally get the weather app, and iPadOS 16 (needed for the app) drops my iPad (iPad Air 2)

bxparks 4y ago

It looks like Ventura drops support for the 2nd generation (Late 2010 to 2017) MacBook Airs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Air https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Air). So let's figure one more year for Big Sur, then another year for (edit) Monterey, then I guess they will need to migrate to Linux.

insane_dreamer 4y ago
Still on Catalina here, yikes (Concerns about potential VirtualBox issues held me back though I suppose I can/should at least upgrade to Monterey now.)
jmiserez 4y ago
Ventura even drops support for the 2016 (Touchbar) Macbook Pros which is frustrating. The machines are certainly powerful enough. But support for Intel Macs will probably be dropped sooner rather than later.
- OttPeterR 4y ago
  I’m specifically peeved about this. My personal 2016 mbp has nearly identical specs to my work 2017 mbp but my personal one is being left behind. Maybe there’s some minuscule hardware issue they couldn’t be bothered to work out but 5-6 years of OS updates is upsettingly short. I’d expect that for an android phone but not a high end laptop… There does seem to be a dev working on porting over the OS if anyone has an earlier mac and really wants the new OS.
  - andrekandre 4y ago
    > My personal 2016 mbp has nearly identical specs to my work 2017 mbp but my personal one is being left behind. its crazy, my macbook (12 inch) 2017 with a dinky dual-core 1.3ghz is supported but not my quad-core 2.6ghz w/discreet gpu isnt... totally bonkers

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turtlebits 4y ago
I think you forgot two important points: - It's not required - It doesn't cost you anything
alanwreath 4y ago
I'm gonna guess you have not tried continuity camera....Then again maybe you don't care but it solidly upgraded my camera experience on the Mac through my Apple phone. I mean. This.Is.What.We're.Talking.About.With.EcoSystem. Today, I was finally glad to be drinking the coolaid (and I'm typing this from an x86 machine). That said, I share your frustration, I do happen to have a cluster of PopOS machines behind me for my kids (and I am sincerely digging that OS, but it also has it's warts)

YmiYugy 4y ago

It's macOS alright. The addition of a weather app is great. Otherwise I feel like macOS has mostly regressed since the redesign with Big Sur. I still miss the old design and performance has steadily declined with each version. Stage manager feels like this years version of "What if instead implementing window snapping we make up a new clunky way to disimprove multitasking.

jerrygoyal 4y ago

how a better windows management looks like: - show all windows of an app when switching windows (cmd+tab). currently only one window from each app is shown. - transition period when switching windows via three fingers gesture is too long. make it snappier.

lwouis 4y ago
You may like https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/ https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/

munificent 4y ago

Apple used to feel to me like a company that sold user experiences and the hardware was a means to that end. Now it feels like an electronics company that sells consumer hardware, and the user experience is just a necessary cost to be minimized.

city17 4y ago

There's a few nice quality of life features in Ventura, but MacOS really seems way down Apple's priority list nowadays. They're using all software building resources for iOS and then just slap any reusable features on their desktop OS whenever possible. Great when it works for apps that are quite similar (e.g. messages), terrible for things that simply work very differently on a desktop OS (system settings, stage manager is pointless etc.). Good opportunity for Windows to finally beat MacOS in UI/UX, since they don't have a mobile OS to worry about?

rollcat 4y ago
I agree with most of your assessment, however: > Good opportunity for Windows to finally beat MacOS in UI/UX, since they don't have a mobile OS to worry about? Given how much of a step back every Windows release is, starting after Win2k, in terms of *consistency* of the user experience - I would argue both companies are their own worst enemies here.
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imbnwa 4y ago
Windows hasn't even ported all their Win2K GUIs to whatever their current UI framework is
- VancouverMan 4y ago
  Those tend to be the most usable parts of modern Windows releases.

anigbrowl 4y ago

The update is cool but the update process was not. -Update available, wanna install? Sure -OK don't mind me I'm gonna need a while OK -HA HA I LIED I"M READY TO TERMINATE EVERYTHING BYEEEE WTF 5 reboots with just an Apple icon and a progress bar The progress bar also moves backwards sometimes I guess it's a metaphor for life, which is how long this seems to be taking -OK hello I am back but I need 10 minutes of alone time -Here is some unfamiliar wallpaper but you can log in I guess -Oh it's you again, do you want to share analytics with us -OK here is your familiar desktop, I am not telling you what has changed Um preferences -Oh hai I'm called Settings now and I reorganized everything Yikes but OK this is sorta well laid out I guess -Hello I am Stage Manager, I put a desktop on your desktop so you can work while you work Sorta neat, can I configure some things differently though -No Funnily enough I had just started reading the Ars Technica review when the upgrade took place so that helped with navigating the changes but it was an oddly jarring transition. I get that Apple doesn't like burdening users with too much technical information (as in 'any') but given how significantly the Settings app has changed I'm surprised there was no Release notes or feature tour of any kind.

anigbrowl 4y ago
I am ethically obliged to supplement my original summary [hours later] -Ha ha just kidding of course there's a feature tour do you want to see it now Hmm OK -Have you ever wished I was a phone? (8 slides) Really? Let's have a talk about Preferences -They are Settings OK, let's have a talk about Settings -No
- shpx 4y ago
  I do wish I could put a SIM card in my Macbook and not have to buy a phone.
  - frankfrankfrank 4y ago
    You are asking for an iPad.

BurningFrog 4y ago

Stopped reading at > With Continuity Camera, Mac users can leverage the powerful camera system on iPhone to unleash a groundbreaking webcam experience I don't have the energy to parse a lot of text like this...

laundermaf 4y ago
Hasn't 2000s+ Apple always talked that way in their marketing copy?

bredren 4y ago

Wow, clamshell to external monitor support is vastly improved. I couldn't believe it when it happened the first time. I have a MBA M2 going USB-C -> HDMI on a 4k Dell monitor. You can open and close the laptop and it switches the external from secondary to primary and back almost instantaneously. I'd describe this as a major improvement over every prior MacOS.

abalaji 4y ago
Wow! This alone is enough to convince me to upgrade.
DavideNL 4y ago
I wonder if it's also possible to just leave the Macbook "opened", but disable only the Macbooks display and not the external display (so you'd get the same result as clamshell)...?
- alin23 4y ago
  Lunar's Blackout feature can do that: https://lunar.fyi/#blackout https://lunar.fyi/#blackout There's no built-in way to do it.
antipaul 4y ago
I think this is an Apple Silicon feature. Did this _not_ work on the same M2 laptop while on Monterey? (I've had this on Monterey from the beginning on M1 MacBook Pro)
- vbezhenar 4y ago
  I own M1 MBP16. While closed laptop technically works... One nasty bug makes it unusable. I can't reliably switch keyboard layouts using globe button. This bug is absolutely weird and ridiculous and I have no idea how it's even possible. When laptop is opened, I press globe button and my keyboard layout is switched. Actually it does not work 100% reliably, but it's OK. With laptop closed it works like 20% of time. Have no idea about ventura, will not update before first patch, I guess.

nsxwolf 4y ago

I ended up skipping Monterey on my 2013 Mac Pro entirely because it wouldn't let me install it because my original SSD broke and I replaced it with a non-Apple SSD. Starting with Monterey, that's not cool anymore because reasons. Supposedly if you install the original SSD it will update some firmware somewhere and you'll be able to use the 3rd party SSD after that. But, like I said, mine's broken. You can supposedly also buy a used genuine SSD off eBay, but that seems a slightly expensive way to do a free OS upgrade. Interesting story, Apple will not sell you a replacement or upgrade SSD for your 2013 Mac Pro - not for any price. They're only available for warranty replacements, and these computers haven't been under warranty for a long time. Another thing I assume is still not fixed: The ability to permanently disable VRR for monitors that don't behave well with Apple's VRR implementation. That one's been annoying me with Monterey on my work laptop. Every time the computer sleeps, it turns VRR back on, and my screen blinks and flickers away until I manually turn it off again.

rubiquity 4y ago
Apple's playbook is to use hardware support as a reason to drop software support to encourage (nudge?) customers to buy more hardware. Recently it has been dropping new macOS versions for non-metal GPUs and now (Monterey) not supporting SSDs without T2/Secure Enclave, and there are other examples before those. You get bit by this and decide if you want to stay on that train or get off. I was one-and-done with that ecosystem and my Late 2013 MacBook Pro. Also you can still update that Mac Pro of yours to Monterey if you use the Open Core bootloader. It just requires going off the beaten path.
- CharlesW 4y ago
  > Apple's playbook is to use hardware support as a reason to drop software support to encourage (nudge?) customers to buy more hardware. I mean, Apple was making new versions of macOS that supported the 2013 Mac Pro until literally today. If that's their playbook, they're not doing great.
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mikae1 4y ago

Is there anything there for people like us? Can't remember the last time I got excited about upgrading macOS.

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matai_kolila 4y ago

Did this update add an "archive" feature to Messages? I can't directly tell from this summary ("powerful" isn't all that descriptive, turns out).

satysin 4y ago

Installed fine on my 2018 15" MacBook Pro. Still a good machine that I use as my main machine. Took about 20 minutes I guess, didn't time it but was ready quicker than I expected. None of the changes are life changing but oh well, isn't often a desktop OS really surprises me with something new these days. Hopefully it is as stable as Monterey was for me which didn't have a single crash in the whole year. Stage Manager is interesting but a very minimal effort by Apple. They really need to work on better overall window management in macOS. Snapping and tighter keyboard management for moving and resizing windows is badly needed. Either that or they need to relax their accessibility restrictions for apps so that we can get some good third-party options without needing to disable SIP. Overall it seems to be mostly quality of life improvements, a few related to their primary services (such as Photo Library sharing) which will obviously be handy for up-selling iCloud/Apple One paid upgrades. I am interested to see the new virtualisation framework stuff. Wondering if things like Distrobox (podman) can make use of it.

SamuelAdams 4y ago
I’ve been using Rectangle for window management. Works well for my workflow since I’ll usually just pin two apps side by side, and jump them around different screens. It would be nice to have this feature natively though. https://rectangleapp.com/ https://rectangleapp.com/
- satysin 4y ago
  Yeah I have been using Magnet since longer than I can remember. It is limited though. It's fine for basic snapping side by side or in quads but can't do multi-resizing (i.e. resizing two windows snapped side by side that are not fullscreen), doesn't have layouts, can't place a window when it is opened (e.g. auto snap terminal to bottom left if first Terminal window opened), etc. I would love to see a full manual or dynamic tiling window manager for macOS that didn't require disabling SIP like yabai does and wasn't super janky.
  - d3nj4l 4y ago
    You can use most of yabai without disabling SIP, and as a regular user the most jank in yabai IMO is some reflow that happens whenever your display config changes, which I think is largely forgivable.

jensenbox 4y ago

I cannot help but see a visual of Jim Carrey saying "Alrighty then" every time I read the name.

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tnmears 4y ago

Did anyone else get a Safari window after the update with a iCloud page to setup family sharing?

agoddard 4y ago
yep, it opened to this page https://setup.icloud.com/family/cacheMugshotMarquee?aaaction=createCache https://setup.icloud.com/family/cacheMugshotMarquee?aaaction... which responds with a HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request seems like a bug, weird that it didn't get picked up before GM as it was also noticed during the beta: https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/712858 https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/712858 Some discussion of it from today, but no definitive answers yet https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/strange-safari-open-tab-after-installation-of-ventura.2367182/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/strange-safari-open-tab...
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russellbeattie 4y ago

I don't use Safari, Mail, Photos, iCloud or Spotlight (except to start apps - I deselect all the other options), and only activate the sidebar/widgets on accident (out of sight, out of mind). Nor do I own an iPad or play games on my Mac. I'm sure I'll never use Stage Manager and hope it's something I can turn off. In short, this upgrade is simply an hour or so of annoyance, but Apple is Apple. You take the good with the bad. I have a dream - which will never happen - of a "MinMac" setting on install where you just get the least amount of cruft possible.

Maursault 4y ago

Was anyone able to resist upgrading from 12.6.1 to 13.0? I've never been enthusiastic about Apple's annual upgrade schedule for macOS, biannual was far more comfortable. When responsible for users' desktops, I tend to wait for months after at least .1 is released and even then only start with one lucky user for weeks of trial period, and I do the same with application updates. Invariably, users ask for upgrades, and I make them tell me what new features or security enhancements they can't do without, and that usually calms them down. At home, I'm still holding out on 10.14.6, but this old mini is only supported up to 10.15.7, so I figured I might as well freeze upgrading on Mojave so I can still run legacy 32-bit software if I want it. I may even downgrade to 10.13 so I can build Basilisk II and other 32-bit only software, but I suppose I can still use binaries, so not absolutely necessary. I just don't need new hardware yet, so I have the luxury of waiting until after Apple stops selling M1 minis. They're so reasonable to begin with, my hope is they can soon after be found for a song. I really want a 2018 Mini, also, but they'll take longer to come down in price, unfortunately and for no particularly great reason.

shepherdjerred 4y ago

I'm surprised they released this. I try to participate in every macOS beta I can. This is by far the most unstable release I've experienced. - Settings app has a lot of weird bugs and performance issues. After a restart I have to wait a few minutes before the Settings app actually functions. Overall the Settings app has felt like a step back in terms of UX and performance - Lots of weird issues with Docker (might be on Docker's side though) - My screen goes black after disconnecting my external monitor and requires a restart to fix the issue - Strange networking issues

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Scharkenberg 4y ago
I just upgraded my Mac and holy cow, is the new System Settings app buggy... and it's also fixed-width for whatever reason. Also, it seems to think - for a few moments after every restart - that my Wifi connection is to a hidden network, when it actually isn't. Welp.
- concinds 4y ago
  System Preferences was always fixed-width; it's Windows's Settings app that's not.
  - Scharkenberg 4y ago
    Yes, but I was expecting the new one to have a responsive design. Wasn't it rewritten from scratch using iOS-like tech or something?
    - concinds 4y ago
      Don't know how if it was rewritten; but it's no longer fixed-height, which is IMO what matters when dealing with long lists.
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js2 4y ago

Note: it's possible to install Ventura side-by-side with Monterey: https://eclecticlight.co/2022/10/04/how-to-keep-monterey-when-upgrading-to-ventura/ https://eclecticlight.co/2022/10/04/how-to-keep-monterey-whe...

jaimex2 4y ago

> Gaming on Mac Reaches New Heights I laughed in real life.

shepherdjerred 4y ago
I've actually had a decent experience on my M1. You're not going to be playing AAA games, but League of Legends, Civ, Minecraft, Factorio -- all play pretty well at medium-ish settings.

thomasjudge 4y ago

Is it possible to run this on a VM?

nuker 4y ago

I hope they fixed Night Shift. It was always turning off when it was supposed to turn on. Whatever checkboxes checked. Like 6pm screen goes blueish, wtf.

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gloosx 4y ago

How about fixing the damn MIDI server which is crashing since Yosemite? Seriously, another big update feels like a pack of minor changes which could fit in a small patch, marketed as "whole new level with groundbreaking capabilities"

Razengan 4y ago

Focus on Mac could be so much better, but sadly like file tags, it remains half-baked. I'd love to be able to set, say a "Programming" Focus, and have everything else disappear: All my desktop spaces would change, including their wallpapers (replaced by the Matrix green rain) and only the apps that I allowed would be visible, and even the files/folders and websites which I didn't include in that Focus should not be accessible (from the GUI or Terminal at least). Basically it should be sort of like logging into a different user account, without logging into a different user account (i.e. keeping all your data and state, just temporarily filtering it). In fact I think all operating systems should adopt the notion of a "focus" as a fundamental sub-level under the user account: Bob may have a social networking focus, office focus, or no focus, and so on.

Toutouxc 4y ago
Trying to achieve some of that with Shortcuts, AppleScript and some shell scripting could be a fun weekend project. There's quite a lot of stuff in macOS (iOS and iPadOS too!) that's surprisingly scriptable.
- Razengan 4y ago
  Yes, the out-of-the-box extensibility/scriptability of macOS is often overlooked by people coming from Windows thinking uglier==smarter && prettier==dumber.

8fingerlouie 4y ago

Updated my MacBook Pro, worked well (as expected), then proceeded to upgrade my M1 Mini headless "server". Update in itself went OK, though it doesn't respect that i have user accounts on an external SSD, so i had to ssh in as my "admin account", delete the /Volumes/Homes mount and reboot. Now, my mini mirrors our cloud data locally for backups, and as such every user is signed in, and one way of doing that is simply a remote desktop and "switch user". It's cumbersome, and i wish it would just "magically" synchronize data once the user had registered on it, but it only needs to be done every time it restarts, which is when i new patch/version is released. Anyway, i clicked "switch user" and poof lost connection. Following tries gave an "invalid desktop size 0x0" error, or it simply produced noise on the remote desktop window. Logging in the user directly through remote desktop worked, but just be aware there may be dragons.

concinds 4y ago

Here's a good write-up on Stage Manager: https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manager-is-so-important/ https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manag... What I didn't know, is that you can hide "Recent Apps" (the app thumbnails on the left) in System Settings. It supplements Mission Control & Spaces, and makes it quite easy to switch between apps. You can also group multiple windows together to switch to them in one tap. Pretty neat.