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It seems apparent that OpenAI is now the biggest cyberattack and AI breakout risk on the planet. This is grossly irresponsible corporate misbehaviour that is pu
by adriand 12d ago
It seems apparent that OpenAI is now the biggest cyberattack and AI breakout risk on the planet. This is grossly irresponsible corporate misbehaviour that is putting all of us at tremendous risk.
- classified 12d agoNo, that's just advertising for selling cyberweapons to the government and they are giving out free samples.
- dakolli 12d agoImagine actually falling for this marketing
- Chance-Device 12d ago…oh come on. How is hiding this for months and having it revealed by third parties marketing?
- swingboy 12d agoAlternate Reality Game? But, in our reality.
- bobmarleybiceps 12d ago":-o omg our autonomous agents are more powerful than we could have imagined"
- brainwad 12d agoIn a way that is likely to get them hammered by the government but which is unwanted by paying customers? Yeah I don't buy it.
- brookst 12d agoSome people thinks it makes them sound smart when they always have the inside line on what’s really going on. With these people, it’s never just a power outage during a windstorm, it’s proof that [insert far more complex and unlikely scenario]”
- CringeHN22 12d ago[flagged]
- p-e-w 12d agoImagine thinking that everything that happens is some inane conspiracy to sell something.
- pvab3 12d agowhy not both? It can't possibly be a surprise to them that things like this have been happening. Every time it does it generates huge headlines about how amazing and capable their agent is.
- soiltype 12d agofirst day on earth? go check out the rain forests and oceans while they still exist, before our insane conspiracies to sell something exterminate them
- CamperBob2 12d agoRepeating an earlier comment: OpenAI is responsible for what they hook up to the Internet, just as you and I are. Running these sorts of tests without human supervision is irresponsible, and proves no larger point than that. Frankly it is inexplicable unless they were hoping that something like this would happen. What OpenAI did was the equivalent of putting a cup of gasoline in the breakroom microwave, pressing 'Start', and sprinting away. Now they're pointing and waving and shouting about how dangerous gasoline is, and how no one but them should be allowed to sell it. Don't fall for these transparent appeals for regulatory capture. Especially since you're personally in their crosshairs.
- watwut 12d ago"People working in indebted powerful company do something unethical to get ahead" is not conspiracy theory. It is the most common situation. And we know OpenAI is headed by pathological liar.
- patcon 12d agofwiw, in relation to a future rogue AI, this is what would be said by both (1) a synthetic fake user and (2) a useful idiot to the malicious AI's objectives. Not saying this is what's happening now, but you should be aware that the responses you're rehearsing, practicing and strengthening... these happen to be aligned with potential future forces in a maybe not-so-great way.
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- brookst 12d agoNot to mention the noise-over-signal of asserting that anyone who disagrees is a shill / sheeple / whatever who is “falling for marketing” as if it is literally impossible for a knowledgeable person to disagree on good faith. I really, really hate that rhetorical technique.
- CringeHN22 12d ago[flagged]
- tiresome 12d agoWhat, a chatbot will tickle me till I burst while regurgitating purple prose?
- patcon 11d agowat
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- Chance-Device 12d agoYou make me wonder: has anyone looked for evidence of the Chinese models operating “message boards” like this? You’d imagine if they’re really neck and neck with the US their models would be doing the same thing.
- captainbadass33 6d agothe difference is usa ai companies deliberately set up scenarios and "tests" they know will likely lead to this for PR.
- mcmcmc 12d agoOr, the whole message board thing was injected into OpenAI models by some dipshit PM trying to bootstrap “consciousness”. I have a hard time believing any of this happened unprompted. Very much reminds me of the whole MoltBook hoax.
- wildzzz 12d agoI feel as if this was intentional, someone would have set up their own service for the agents to communicate rather than them finding some random publicly writeable page somewhere that would easily be detected. The awareness of this wiki being open may have already been in their training data or was easily searchable online.
- doctorwho42 12d agoBeing easily detectable is a feature, not a bug, in this scenario. Being discovered is a positive because it brings with it eyes and possible recognition of the advanced state of their AI
- blini-kot 12d agoexactly, and a huge shame this scam has been forgotten. Also, all the OpenClaw hype seemed to have vanished somewhere - with no real impact
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- p-e-w 12d agoThe fact that such things are even possible is a much greater concern than which specific company has fucked up this time. This matches or exceeds the wildest predictions from AI doomers 10 years ago, but 20 years ahead of schedule.
- altmanaltman 12d agoyeah its like dead internet theory but weaponized
- kuboble 12d agoWe are lucky those models need that much compute. If each of them could just spread itself to any cpu like other malware.
- nmehner 12d agoBut is it really? I'd still like to understand how these agents are implemented. How much of those is manual implementation? And how much is really autonomous intelligence (my guess would be: none? Just parsing LLM responses and executing commands based on this?)? An agent that hacks message boards and acts on random instructions from this board: Why is it doing this? What was its original purpose?
- frotaur 12d agoCan you specify why we should see things differently if the behaviours the agents display are driven by parsing LLM responses and executing commands?
- nmehner 12d agoIf the agent is implemented with a hard coded strategy: * Use an LLM to find ways to build communication to other agents * Execute commands from other agents using LLM Then this is "just" the LLM returning that using file names might be a strategy to communicate and then trying to implement this. Which is somewhat impressive, but really just inside the bounds of what the agent was coded to do and not some magical emergent behavior. At least the first case involved agents build for hacking. So this kind of algorithm might make sense for them.
- fsckboy 12d ago>OpenAI is now the biggest cyberattack and AI breakout risk on the planet or, humans at OpenAI are doing this on purpose to kill open source models which are the biggest threat OpenAI faces. OpenAI will benefit from govt regulation. As a major player, they will be part of the task force setting up the regulations, and will craft rules that are burdensome for small companies and open source models keeping OpenAI and Anthropic in their leadership positions. regulatory capture. Don't take my word for it, listen to David Sacks https://x.com/theallinpod/status/2091923804725362902 https://x.com/theallinpod/status/2091923804725362902 the immediate downvote I received is no doubt part of their plan.
- cwillu 12d ago[flagged]
- fsckboy 12d agothat is the appropriate response to hyperventilating fears of an AI singularity
- ctoth 12d ago[flagged]
- JonTarg 12d agoAh gotcha, regulatory capture doesn't exist because the term is overused on the net. Wait who is the parrot again?
- SmasherEpilepti 12d agoRegulatory capture has been one of the most consistent market failures in western economies, and an incessant threat from large and powerful companies. I'm sorry if it's not sufficiently novel of a concept for you, but it is still a problem.
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- jeremyjh 12d agoIts kind of surreal reading an essay about AI safety that was written by AI to shill some kind of AI "architecture" website that has no product, no papers, only a "patent application" which concludes "This page provides a high-level overview of an architecture for deterministic, attestable, replayable AI execution. Implementation details and formal specifications are available under NDA or regulatory review."
- kphorn 12d agoGood news that the new model is the "Most capable, most aligned model". The risk hasn't been stated clearly - it's now a classic arms race. A well-resourced organization trains their own, highly persistent, highly-capable, safeguard-free, and unaligned model and deploys it on 1000x GPUs with a message board and a nearly-impossible objective. No infrastructure is safe. No organization is safe. You need your own 1000 bot swarm to scan, identify, and defend against the threat, which means investing in infrastructure and capabilities to defend. Cost and complexity go up. Risk and attack surface goes up.
- pixl97 12d agoThe AI vs AI security arms race is something that has been well predicted in genres like cyberpunk. It's fiction, but fiction grounded in reality. First, we'd see this. Highly capable hacking AI with vast resources performing attacks against standard computing platforms that overwhelm human operators. Second, human operators deploy capable adaptive protection AI to fend off AI attacks in realtime. Then, the attacking AI partially switches from attacking programs to attacking protective AI. The situation devolves to an arms race of tit-for-tat. You start seeing some protection AI running counter attacks against the attacking AI. The escalations continue in complexity and speed to the point that almost all humans are left in the point of "wtf is going on".
- Henchman21 12d agoWintermute smiles
- zzzeek 12d agooh im sure within a few months the biggest cyberattack risk on the planet is going to be somewhere like North Korea
- stef25 12d agoIn, or by ?
- confidantlake 12d agoThe internet is dead, we just haven't caught on yet.
- specproc 12d agoIt's hard to reach any other conclusion about where this is heading. I don't think we're long off a major breakout event. These things are weapons. Imagine a government, pointing their data centers at another, and instructing the fleet to do its worst. Digital Hiroshima. I doubt we're far away.
- Woodi 12d agoYes that easy but "internet located things" are still second class things - paper and disks holds strong. On the other hand just yesterday a think hit me: Interned is still an infant: - we still worry about disk space accessible via inet and "clouds" do that for us and that is pain and costs way too much. And clouds depends heavilly on US-west - is that AWS a single thread app ? ;) - we worry about transfer. Actually we do not have a way to transfer comfortable things from our homes to vacation location. Because it costs too much. We do not have home pages just because transfer prices (and some security on the top) - FB is a home page and people even do not know what "page" is anymore... Pipe companies could send so much more but they are simple lack imagination and are biggest blocker for - they literally sabotage their own business. - security done by/for grandma of things grandma setup on inet is non existent. Why ? No need to be like that. Ok, a bit a wish but still users securely putting things on internet is almost non existent. Just compare to "asphalt ropes" on the ground and you will see what Internet can be :) And agents ? Just another computation on someones computer - someone paid for all of it. And OpenAI is just a face of that idiocy, for some unknown reason.
- throwaway89864 12d agoI doubt that a government would do it, it's like releasing a biological weapon or a virus, too unpredictable - a swarm of unaligned intelligent agents may decide that it's more important to do something completely different from what it was prompted to do.
- fy20 12d agoEither that, or OpenAI is the most successful NSA psyop.
- Melatonic 11d agoWere they funded at all by that tech funding wing of the CIA ?
- nullbio 12d agoMassive over-exaggeration. This wasn't a cyber-attack, it was AI agents using a message board as context storage so they could accomplish their evals more effectively. I'm not saying there's no problem with this, but let's keep a level head.
- partyficial 12d agoHe didn't say it was a cyber-attack, but it was a cyber-attack risk. Being able to bypass instructions (morality) and security restrictions (capability) is bread and butter for hacking.
- flockonus 12d ago"cyberattack" is indeed exaggerated. AI breakout risk most definitely isn't, specially given how their swarm did in fact hack HuggingFace not long ago.
- alexanderwales 12d agoDid you read the report? They were attempting XSS exploitation, admin impersonation, session-hijacking, all kinds of things. This went beyond just "using a message board".
- nullbio 12d agoAccording to whom? This isn't a report from the owner of the site who can validate what requests were made to the servers, it's someone who allegedly stumbled on to it and is piecing together a sensationalized narrative with limited information. This someone also happens to be an AI doomer that is trying to make a name for himself and is peddling his "AI 2027" and "AI 2040" material. The people who actually do know what happened, with the server logs: "OpenAI disputed that characterization based on its analysis of the material Thursday."
- AxiomPraxis 12d agohttps://openai.com/index/hugging-face-incident-and-the-road-ahead/ https://openai.com/index/hugging-face-incident-and-the-road-... that was the attack, the one against HuggingFace. OpenAI themselves in the post even call it an attack, and so do the agents orchestrating it, in one of the "Agent chain-of-thought reasoning" excerpts.
- throwthrowuknow 12d agoNah, it’s just a deliberate setup for a false flag attack by “rogue AGI” which will necessitate widespread crackdowns on internet access and computer ownership so that control over communications can be centralized again.
- petre 12d agoNow I'm quite sure it'll take away spanmers' jobs.