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Wi-Fi jamming to knock out cameras suspected in nine Minnesota burglaries
- rolph 3y agodont rely on cameras. one of my favorite moves, is to deposit, carbon or marking chalk, on the sill where tha sash covers it. window entry means you get it all over everything, and maybe leave prints.
- perihelions 3y agoWhere do you live that you have the experience to choose a favorite anti-home-burglar technique?
- rolph 3y agoAlaska, the other thing is that not only are police hours away, but anything you have to do like shopping, is at least hours away, and if you have electricity , its unreliable unless you go off grid. old school methods, and a distinctive character to alaskan criminality, help finding those responsible
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- robk 3y agoWhat's the character of Alaskan criminals? How different from the lower 48?
- rolph 3y agomethods, lack of effort to hide the crime, the low population, makes repeat offenders highly visible and well known. stolen items sold online in the small village/ rural region they were stolen from. snow for seven months of the year makes tracking, trivial, and deep cold pushes all but the most desperate to operate for 2-3 months after breakup. so well known persons, likely time and place of operation, and a lack of forethought planning a crime, make an easy catch, during 'spring cleanup'
- iancmceachern 3y agoMy favorite anti burglar move is to have dogs. They make more mess than the chalk thing, but they're way softer and more fun.
- r2_pilot 3y agoEven more fun; I have a dog who likes to rest his head on the window sill, so if I combined the two methods, the mess would be indescribable!
- ct0 3y agoMy neighbor has Guineafowls which will tell the entire neighborhood something isnt right. they also lay eggs a bit smaller than a chickens egg. I presume its not possible in a first world city though.
- wiml 3y agoMy city (Seattle) allows up to three fowl or certain kinds of livestock even in the fairly dense residential areas (the law is left over from many years ago, but backyard hens have become kinda fashionable in recent decades). But you can't keep a rooster, because it's too noisy. I suspect that keeping watch-fowl would have the same problem, neighbors would file noise complaints against you.
- autoexec 3y agoI've heard that dogs aren't a great way to deter people from breaking in. I'm not entirely convinced about that though. I imagine many people would be put off by dogs especially the larger ones (this guy agrees https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtwD-c9hn58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtwD-c9hn58)
- iancmceachern 3y agoWhere did you hear that? It's also highly dependent on the dog. A chihuahua maybe not so much, a big Rottie maybe yes. It seems like a weird thing to generalize. It's like saying "people are good or not good at fighting". Well, which people fighting how?
- BobaFloutist 3y ago"Alright, perp seems to be wearing 10.5 Nikes. Put out a bolo on any adult male wearing size 10.5 Nikes."
- rolph 3y ago...with very specific wear, and scuff patterning, ie a shoeprint, in colour
- BobaFloutist 3y agoIn color? And I get how this would help narrow down possible suspects from a list, but I don't think it's going to be very effective at finding suspects in the first place, which is usually the biggest challenge.
- edm0nd 3y agoa firearm is way better imo. you can prevent AND permanently solve the problem from happening again both at the same time.
- olyjohn 3y agoIf the guy is in your house, and you're in a position to shoot him, you have not prevented the problem. The problem has already happened.
- EricE 3y agoIf there are enough people ready to shoot then people are far less likely to enter in the first place. And before you say deterrence doesn't work, just put a sign outside proudly proclaiming your residence to be a gun free zone. Go for it!
- autoexec 3y agoOn the other hand, guns are high on the list of things criminals like to steal. A sign saying that you have one in the home could get your home broken into for that reason.
- hellotomyrars 3y agoI don’t have a fundamental problem with private possession of firearms and in fact own one but boy is this not the “Solution” to any problem and I think it’s a terrible look for responsible gun ownership. If I put that sign in front of my house, nothing would happen. The implication that somehow I would suddenly be robbed left and right I don’t think holds that much water to begin with but especially doesn’t make sense in many places people live, like a small town like mine. Just going to confuse the neighbors.
- edm0nd 3y agoThey are breaking into your home to steal your things or harm you, being armed with a firearm prevents that from happening. If they still continue to break in after seeing you are armed with a firearm, you can just simply just shoot them once they get inside as your life was in danger and you also solve that from ever happening again from that person.
- EricE 3y agoWireless anything related to security is pretty dumb. Wired is better!
- AnarchismIsCool 3y agoTruth. Wired and wireless systems are not all that different in terms of what they transmit at this point, but wired systems have the advantage of keeping their communication stream isolated in the wire as opposed to the shared EM spectrum. It's essentially another layer of security. Can someone tap the wire? Sure, but it requires extreme physical proximity that an RF attack does not.
- iancmceachern 3y agoThis is the way. When I design factory automation systems or surgical robots it's all wired. Anything mission critical needs to be, or the mission is not critical.
- tehlike 3y agoI guess wearing mask is a good way to circumvent that too.
- AshamedCaptain 3y agoWhat prevents the same thief from just cutting your "wired" fiber/DSL/whatever? Or the power, for what is worth.
- saintfire 3y agoHolding/bringing a device that disables every camera is significantly different and less risky than climbing up on ladders cutting each cable going to each camera. As for cutting power? UPS/battery backup. That's defeatable too. At some point you have to say you've reached your limit. Generally you just have to be more secure than comparable targets, though. Someone using WiFi jamming on poorly thought out security is looking for easy targets, not complicated heists.
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- BobaFloutist 3y agoDo Wi-Fi cameras not revert to normal cameras when jammed? I guess they have little to no onboard storage?
- 15155 3y agoSome have microSD media, most probably do not.
- jerf 3y agoWho needs onboard storage? As is well known [1], among other things, the network is reliable, latency is zero, bandwidth is infinite, and the network is secure, so there's no reason to incur the extra costs of onboard storage. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacies_of_distributed_computing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacies_of_distributed_compu...
- joe_the_user 3y agoIt's easy to imagine devices that wouldn't be subject to this. They'd have storage and wired connections. A central server would send an alarm if it lost contact with the cameras for a time. But naturally anything like this wouldn't exist in default consumer land.
- itishappy 3y ago> But naturally anything like this wouldn't exist in default consumer land. Wired cameras hooked up with power over ethernet has been around almost as long as I have! https://www.amazon.com/s?k=PoE+security+system https://www.amazon.com/s?k=PoE+security+system
- gnicholas 3y agoI picked cameras that have this for this reason. But if someone knocks out the wifi from a distance and then gets closer and destroys/steals the cameras, I'm SOL. My neighbors probably have cameras though, so it could be a bit trickier to get away without being seen at all.
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- withinboredom 3y agoI remember the days before wifi routers came with randomized passwords. We walked around with a backpack that connected to open wifi, logged into the admin page with the default credentials, and changed the wifi name/password and the admin password. We were evil kids and possibly part of the reason there are randomized passwords now. Anyway, this is basically the same attack, just with a B&E and a lot more temporary. I'm actually most surprised that these devices don't appear to do any buffering when a connection is lost. And even then, the internet will not stay active if the thieves just go to the neighborhood junction box and pull the plug on the house. :sigh: too much reliance on technology...
- mmcgaha 3y agoSecurity has never been a concern for consumer devices. When I was a kid the local telecable remotes worked on all of the boxes in my neighborhood. I used to sneak up to people's windows and changing their channel. I bet my dad wondered where his remote was.
- withinboredom 3y agoMy neighbor and I moved in the same week and happened to buy the exact same doorbell unit. Every time someone rang the doorbell at either of our houses, the doorbell in the other house would ding too. It took us several weeks before we realized we were both answering the door every time someone came to one of our doors. It was an easy fix, but hilarious.
- myself248 3y agoA friend of mine had a telescope in his upstairs room, the window of which overlooked a lake with several other houses in view across the lake. 1: Get the other house's TV sighted in the eyepiece. 2: Move your eye out of the way and hold the remote control up to the eyepiece. 3: ... 4: Move back and observe the confusion.
- jvanderbot 3y agoI am so skeptical of this story but I want it to be true so badly. If I shine a laser through, does it really focus on the sighted spot? Does the coating on the telescope not filter IR? I thought most did maybe not. Could I shine a flashlight through and illuminate the room? How is that not the same?
- AnarchismIsCool 3y agoBeen saying this for a while but the RF world is wildly under-explored on the consumer side. The military has been doing electronic warfare for ages but it's only now popping up in the consumer industry. An example: all wireless protocols can be trivially jammed by just spamming noise, like anything else, but most can also be smart jammed by various methods: spamming disconnect packets, malformed packets that crash the device, noise jamming very specific parts of various transactions, like the alignment section of OFDM QAM on 4/5G, etc. This means, instead of needing some multiple of the targets transmit power to cover a wide area, you can use as much or less power than the target which is extremely bad from an EW standpoint. We need to build smarter wireless protocols that can both resist casual assholes, but also higher sophistication adversaries up to and probably including nation state actors for the safety of our infrastructure. And yes, that means insulin pumps probably shouldn't have radios in them.
- SkyPuncher 3y agoPeople don’t do it because it’s a quick way to land in hot water with the FCC. You don’t want federal crimes because you jammed someone’s wifi
- lazide 3y agoHuh? Breaking into someone’s house is already a felony pretty much everywhere. I think it’s more likely just a bit harder to find a known good RF jammer than a rock. And a rock was usually fine. Or used to be, anyway.
- sidewndr46 3y agoFacebook tries to sell me RF jammers pretty much nonstop. Aliexpress sellers will happilly mail you whatever RF jammer you want.
- sidewndr46 3y agoJamming 2.4 GHz spectrum is unlikely to ever warrant an FCC response. Virtually every microwave I've tested is an excellent jammer for 2.4 GHz. It even has a user interface for how long like you'd like to jam communications! I'm legally allowed to "jam" your WiFi so long as I am using the spectrum for communications because I am licensed user unlike the majority of 2.4 GHz users. Even if you file an FCC complaint they aren't going to do anything. Now if you move up to 5+ GHz range it really depends. If you start jamming the DFS bands it'll eventually get noticed.
- amiga-workbench 3y agoI always wished that a lot of home automation stuff would use powerline networking. Especially things like the relays I have on my lamps. I guess an ESP8266 costs way less than all the chunky passives required to do powerline comms though.
- iancmceachern 3y agoAnd for ethernet and PoE stuff the cost is all in the jack, it needs filtering and magnetics, etc to comply with the new fast standards making it usually one of the most expensive components on the board, often many dollars for the one component
- throwanem 3y agoPowerline doesn't work across phases, which is in itself a huge pain with US split-phase service.
- Scoundreller 3y agoI’ve read that this can be solved with a couple capacitors to jump the phases. Just a high-pass filter. Could be an embedded in a 240v device if you want to avoid messing with household wiring.
- EricE 3y agoUbiquity had some power line equipment on a newer standard that was sensitive enough that for many homes there were enough cables running in parallel the signals would propagate between phases enough to work. Some other vendors still sell the tech - it's come a long way from X10 in the '70s! You also have plug in phase couplers that you can put wherever you have a 220v appliance like a dryer or range. Handy especially for older houses where running new cable can be a significant challenge.
- throwanem 3y agoTrue, but older houses are also less likely to have 220V runs in the first place, I think. That might be a Baltimore thing, though - not sure I've ever seen one in residential here, but this is also the city where municipal gas service was born, so it isn't a surprise for gas-fired ranges and dryers needing only 110V service to be ubiquitous here. I don't know if I'd want to depend on incidental capacitive coupling to carry signal between phases. I guess if it works it's likely to go on doing, but I feel like there's got to be some pretty sharp bandwidth constraints for noise, especially in residential...
- lambdasquirrel 3y agoI had this happen to me when I was being harassed, back when I lived in the Bay Area. RF security cameras are a bit useless.
- beaeglebeached 3y agoRecovery rates from theft are abysmal and expected return likely lower than value of the cameras. Arrest rates are single digit at best. Burglary perps are primarily worried about a 9mm penetration to their skull by a $100 hi-point.
- itishappy 3y agoI believe the goal is deterrence rather than forensics. Hopefully thieves will see your fancy security system and choose a different house.
- creer 3y agoYou are not deterring by having good video after the act! Your video camera recording or not is not relevant to deterrence.
- itishappy 3y agoAn excellent observation! If deterrence is the goal (and I'm suggesting it often is) then a fake camera is often just as good, but cheaper!
- lazide 3y agoThe issue is when they see the sign, and that means they know that RF jammer tool they bought will work. If you’re going to put up a security system sign, make sure it’s for a system that works differently than the one you actually have.
- sky_rw 3y agoIt's also worth noting that you can buy signs and stickers on ebay for way less than the actual system, and you arguably get most of the benefit from the visual indicators.
- n_plus_1_acc 3y ago"They have an expensive camera so they have money"
- fururuuruu 3y agoSeems like someone should make a wifi security cam that has several hours worth of internal storage to cache video when wifi is unavailable. Storage is cheap is hell. A 4GB micro-SD card adds like a dollar to the cost of a mass produced embedded system and could save a few frames per second for hours.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago>Seems like someone should make a wifi security cam that has several hours worth of internal storage to cache video when wifi is unavailable. That's exactly what the cheap wifi security cameras do. They capture the video on onboard microSD cards and wifi is only for viewing of that data. If you loose wifi, it will still record. Don't all cameras do that nowadays?
- mmcgaha 3y agoSupplement your regular security cameras with some camo field cameras and you will have some hidden redundancy.
- jakewins 3y agoSome car brands sell vehicles that open with a button push on the door, if the key is just nearby. Standard kit now is you get an RF extender that bridges the distance from a key inside someone’s house to the car; then the car just lets you open it and drive it away. Much faster and simpler than the old slim Jim ways!
- ianschmitz 3y agoThe key needs to be continuously present for the car to continue running. Unless I’m missing something in your story?
- instaclay 3y agoI have a push-button car made by Hyundai and one made by Nissan. Both can be turned on with the fob inside the vehicle. You can then leave the key behind and drive away. The dashboard will immediately warn you that a key is not present (audio and visual icons), but both cars will not do anything to immobilize the car after the key has been left.
- scintill76 3y agoAFAIK my '07 Mazda can drive away without the wireless key. It beeps to warn you when the key is getting out of range.
- adolph 3y agoSignal from the key just needed to start, not a keep-alive. Might depend on make/model. Chances are good an automaker doesn't want to shut off a car at speed just because the key misses a keep-alive ping. The device is actually two sets of equipment. When the unsuspecting victim parks and locks the car, a thief standing not far away holds the first device, which is used to pick up and amplify the electronic signal as it is sent between the car and the key fob. That signal is relayed to a second device, which tricks the car into thinking that the key fob is near the car. That disarms the security system, unlocks the door and authenticates the engine to start. https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-mystery-car-stealing-device-20161207-story.html https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-mystery-car-steali...
- ijhuygft776 3y agoThat's why I ran Ethernet cables and used PoE cameras. It's a pain to install but worth it.
- lokar 3y agoSame, with the switch and nvr on a ups
- ijhuygft776 3y agoI skipped the NVR and just relied on the SD cards on-board each camera.... I was able to store almost 1 week of motion-activated footage, which was enough for me.
- graphe 3y agoThis gives me an easy solution idea. A few wired ESP32 in HA configured as a baysian sensor, if several or one goes offline someone's jamming or something is wrong. Wifi canaries.
- CodeWriter23 3y agoUse wires ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- johnny99k 3y agoit's pretty easy to do this. you can can just send deauth packets using a card that supports it. I tried it out on my ring cameras, which resulted in the camera being knocked offline temporarily.
- LZ2DMV 3y agoYou don't even need a card or a laptop. You can send deauth frames with an ESP8266, if the camera runs on 2.4 GHz, of course.
- ryukoposting 3y ago> Minnesota doesn’t generally have a reputation as a hotbed for technology I don't understand why Minnesota is catching strays for a problem that affects the entire country. The hot new tech is the problem here, not Mark Tyson's cute naive northerner strawmen. Companies like ADT hopped on the IoT bandwagon because it's cheaper and it gives the sheen of advanced technology. In reality, wireless security systems are far more vulnerable than their older, wired alternatives. You can jam them. They can simply drop connections on their own due to interference. Many of them rely on cloud services that introduce their own points of failure (that's not really Wi-Fi's fault, but with one form of bullshit usually comes the other). Edina is notorious in the Twin Cities because it's where the old money lives - it's immensely wealthy compared to almost everything surrounding it. 100% of the blame rests on the companies taking rich-person home security budgets, and using it to install low-end Wi-Fi cameras. The victims here could certainly afford a wired solution, and I'd hazard a bet that they paid enough that a wired system could have been installed.
- kiney 3y agoI have a couple of security cameras around the house. Started with wifi cameras but switched to wired ethernet for the newer one because of unstable wifi and high latency... Looks like there's now one more reason that was the right choice.
- htrp 3y agoHome security systems used to call out to the local response center using your existing phone line, you could jam the outbound call by tying up the phone line.
- Havoc 3y agoHow do the crooks know that it is down though?
- kylehotchkiss 3y ago3M security film is a nice analog home security feature that should be used in addition to cameras
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y agoWifi cameras are cheap junk. You still have to run a power line anyway... why not ethernet and PoE?
- adolph 3y agoMany use photovoltaic and battery now: https://www.cnet.com/home/security/best-solar-powered-home-security-camera/ https://www.cnet.com/home/security/best-solar-powered-home-s...
- stordoff 3y agoA lot of homes are wired for power but not Ethernet, so WiFi is easier. For a couple of cameras I installed recently, I just had to drill a single cable hole for one, and feed the power through an existing cable hole for the other - there were already sockets in appropriate places to connect them. To run Ethernet, I'd've had to run the cable through two rooms, around a fireplace and kitchen appliances, and probably have to drill an additional two holes for each camera (and ideally figure out a way to run the cable out of sight). It's not really worth the extra effort when the cameras record locally (microSD) and they're primarily a deterrent anyway.
- dylan604 3y agoThis has always been a concern I've had around WiFi anything in security systems. Sure, they're great for easy installing in an existing structure, but between jamming and battery replacement, I've just never been a fan. I'm also old and don't trust anything, so that just adds to it.
- Phrodo_00 3y agoThere are wifi cameras that will store video locally when the wifi is out, although I can see it'd be a problem if they get stolen while the network is jammed and they don't have a chance to upload.
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- silisili 3y agoThis is something Eufy can't make up their mind on. The doorbells and some cams transmit wirelessly to a base. Then they released new cams that do it locally and don't work with the base.
- kjkjadksj 3y agoAt the end of the day its security theater. Having a video of the crime won’t prevent it or even lead to solving it most of the time. If you want actual response to active crime you are going to need someone who is paid to preferentially show up to your property and they should be in a guardhouse nearby.
- lotsofpulp 3y agoCould be useful for insurance/liability purposes though. Same reason for a dashcam.
- kjkjadksj 3y agoA dash cam is totally different because of how insurance for cars works. The thief burglaring your home does not carry liability insurance for crime. Your property insurance should already cover the theft, there’s no point in determining fault and what company should pay out like in a car accident.
- Scoundreller 3y agoObviously there’s a market for alarms that sound off when it detects wifi or other frequency jamming.
- mattlondon 3y agoI worried about this when installing 7 cameras on my home. For what it is worth, more recent nest cameras have battery backup and buffer up to an hour of video if the WiFi is out (https://store.google.com/gb/magazine/compare_cameras?hl=en-GB https://store.google.com/gb/magazine/compare_cameras?hl=en-G...) So in theory if the perps cut the power you are ok, and if they jam the WiFi you are ok too. A month or two ago 3 guys actually did try to break in (without jamming) and the police took the videos but still weren't able to catch them. It gives me some.hope that perhaps one day maybe they do catch these guys and it serves as evidence. I now have the cameras hooked up to Home Assistant so if they detect a person (and not e.g. a fox) and we are out, a Raspberry Pi starts playing loud barking noises and a few lights turn on. During our breakin attempt, the guys were on their 7th (!) attempt at kicking in our front door and you can see from the videos that within literally a second of a light going on (...when we woke up) they turned and ran off so signs of life from the inside seems to be a strong deterrent.
- Jnr 3y agoWhat is it good for if they knock out cameras from being able to report activity to a person? Video probably will not help catch the bad guys. I use cameras with ethernet and PoE, those are also cheaper than wifi. On the other side of the cable there is PoE injection, ethernet switch, recording and object detection server, all connected to a UPS battery. If power goes down, I still have cameras and network running for a few hours, notifying and alarming if anyone trespasses. When power goes down, I also get notification with snapshot of the incoming electricity box on the street, to know if it was local issue caused by a person, or something else.
- creer 3y agoThe point here is to send them to some other house before they actually get into yours. Not to catch them. To some extent, catching them means you were not dissuasive enough in the first place.
- mattlondon 3y agoYep. For me as well it was quite reassuring to be able to piece together exactly what happened. So rather than just being woken up by the noise of someone trying to batter the door down, I was able to go back and piece together 3 or 4 minutes of what happened - the cameras caught their car arriving, caught them going down a side road, caught them climbing over a fence at the back of my house, caught them trying to climb up onto the roof, caught them creeping around in the garden looking through windows, caught them trying to kick the door in, and then caught them running off and driving away. I had enough that I was even able to write a post mortem with timestamps etc. This helped us make some security improvements, but for me personally it helped me process the whole situation - it was less traumatic for me to feel like I at least had "complete" info and was in control and generally feel less victimised and helpless.
- giantg2 3y agoIt mentions flooding wifi with traffic so real traffic can't get through. Do they have access to the network, or are they just blasting the target spectrum?
- adrianpike 3y agoThe ones I've seen usually just spam the spectrum with noise, since it's easiest and totally effective, and there's no need for them be sneaky or clever with their emissions since it's very very rare the victim would have a way to notice, and you don't need more than a few watts.
- vzaliva 3y agoI use Wyze cameras with SD cards, so while WiFi will jam online monitoring, there will be a record of the bulgrary.
- plasticchris 3y agoI’ve got to say, this is one great thing about remote work. No worries about my house security.
- dboreham 3y agoAxis cameras are all wired-only.
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- creer 3y agoThat seems logical - And how easy is it to (reliably) detect jamming to route that straight to an alarm?
- martinky24 3y agoIt all comes down to how sophisticated the jammer is. Blasting noise over your signal? Sure. Using a careful understanding of the protocol and selectively sending blocking messages at certain times to fully disrupt signal? Much less so
- mass_and_energy 3y agoThis is why it's important to ensure your cameras have redundant flash storage using something like an SD card. In this way, you have local footage on the camera whether it's jammed or not. So they'd have to tear the cameras down too, which is much more invasive than a simple WiFi jammer.
- m000 3y agoAny tips for Bluetooth jamming to keep our beaches boombox-free? Asking for a friend.
- martinky24 3y agoSounds like an excellent way to get a hefty fine from the FCC!
- skipkey 3y agoI’m fairly certain that I have seen this in our hood. Basically someone or something will cause the motion detection to trigger, and then the video cuts out. Sometimes it goes black, sometimes it’s noise. In the most recent case it was someone whom I don’t recognize walking his dog and holding what I thought was a phone in his hand, and 3 different cameras did the same thing in order, going to white noise. We didn’t get the cameras for security, we got them to watch the feral cats in the area to help catch them for TNR, but security is a nice extra, so we are considering replacing the Rings with something wired.
- NotSammyHagar 3y agoWyze cheapo wifi cameras work so well. Of course it's a risk there, this is not the first time it's happening. What are the easy to use ip cameras, esp that I can power over POE? I want a cheap one too. I don't see how wyze can sell them for $30 (without poe with only wifi). Is there a decent $50 poe camera?
- the_svd_doctor 3y agoI have reolink PoE cameras which I really like (work well with HA too), although they're a bit more expensive than 50$.
- prmoustache 3y agoDon't see the point of security cameras. They don't prevent theft and if anything marks you as someone afraid of theft, thus wealthy enough to have goods to steal. I am more afraid about a fire that would burn stuff and memories. I have offsite backups of my photos but I am not sure I would have the energy to go through all of them to reprint photo albums.
- slicktux 3y agoHow much of this can be mitigated with PMF enabled WiFi cameras?? Or is it an actual frequency jamming??
- MiscIdeaMaker99 3y agoLooks like SimpliSafe became aware of this problem as far back as at least 2019 and made a blog post about it. https://simplisafe.com/blog/jam-detection-update https://simplisafe.com/blog/jam-detection-update
- ok_dad 3y agoWould it be reasonable to put a WiFi camera in a faraday cage with a micro WiFi transmitter attached to Ethernet? I was thinking about that because my WiFi gets bogged down with too many cameras and thought it might be nice to still use cheap WiFi cameras but make them effectively wired.
- Tostino 3y agoAt that point, why not just run Ethernet to your cameras?
- martinky24 3y agoThat's quite the Rube Goldberg machine for something that already exists at a reasonable pricepoint (PoE cameras).
- dave333 3y agoMaybe install a camera on your mailbox out by the street that takes a snapshot of every car that goes by so you can see if someone is watching the house or cruising by regularly. Might give early warning and also capture license plates and maybe faces.
- bloopernova 3y agoThis headline feels like it belongs in a Cyberpunk setting.
- kova12 3y agoSomehow first reaction of everybody here is: "it isn't just me, using wireless for security camera actually is a bad idea!"
- washadjeffmad 3y agoLockpickinglawyer had a video about Simipfi's doorbell product a year or so ago, and I've been watching out for my neighbor ever since. She put up stickers /advertising/ the waveband her security is contingent around, and I'm just glad it hasn't failed yet.
- donatj 3y agoI mean my $25 Wyze cameras keep recording to the SD card even when offline. Is it going to help during, but I can watch them of my house after I guess.
- RickJWagner 3y agoCan't wait to see the Mel Brooks version, where it's strawberry smeared on the camera lens.
- estiaan 3y agoIt’s actually hilarious how easy it would be to catch the criminals if they don’t take extra precautions like wearing masks. Just have some fake wifi looking cameras in easy to spot locations and use wired real cameras. Hardest part would be finding a consumer system that still uses hardwired cameras
- itscrush 3y agoIs there anything out there comparable to Unifi these days? Most all their cams are POE and something better would be an easy consideration for those of us not all-in on the iot systems out there now.
- topspin 3y ago> Hardest part would be finding a consumer system that still uses hardwired cameras POE cameras grow on trees. Sold individually or in kits complete with POE NVRs. If you're handy you can put up a decent system, completely independent of any cloud service, for ~$1000.
- instaheat 3y agoMy experience with cameras is as follows. Flipping a house in gentrifying neighborhood. House burglarized a total of 3 times. After first time, installed cameras covering every possible angle. Both 2nd and 3rd time - They wore masks and did so in the early morning hours (3am-5am) Had several people case the house without masks. Either they didn't notice the cameras or they didn't care. 3rd time I had some choice words for the foe through my Video doorbell and let him know I would be there before the police and suggested he be gone before I get there. I got there in 10 minutes flat ready to beat him to a pulp with a tire iron. I wish we instituted harsher punishments for thieves when they get caught. It may be unpopular opinion, but I am glad I have the right to kill someone and defend my property if I see fit if they're in a ski mask ready to take my things.
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoThe big problems with cameras is police don’t care about the videos because they don’t care about property crimes anymore. Maybe the police will care later after enough home owners get fed up?
- NotACop182 3y agoYou are making stuff up. Please show me where police or the law on burglaries is being handled differently. It’s a felony and always has been. These cases are investigated.
- o11c 3y agoParent commenter is not making it up, this just really depends on what neighborhood you live in. With the destruction of the middle class it's true for a lot more people than it used to be.
- instaheat 3y agoHere's a fact for you. I handed police the video evidence of the bonehead showing up earlier without a mask to case my house then came back 30 minutes later with a mask on but same clothes in full HD glory. In a stroke of luck, I also saw him a few minutes after I arrived onsite (did a drive around the neighborhood) and he took off. I literally saw which apartment building he disappeared into. Lets say there are 12 units in a building (it's a smaller complex built in the 90s) it would not take them long to catch this guy. They did nothing. I gave them his face in HD and where he was located.
- hcfman 3y agoIs anyone else using the StalkedByTheState security system? It runs on Jetson SBCs and works with the full sized yolov6 and yolov7 models. Super proactive detection and response https://github.com/hcfman/sbts-install https://github.com/hcfman/sbts-install
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- welder 3y agoJust move to Japan where you don't need cameras.
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- msravi 3y agoEarlier cameras did not have WiFi but used to have a local SD card onto which they'd record and overwrite. It would be dead simple (and inexpensive) to use such a camera with a buffer of a few days that would transmit using WiFi once a day or so instead of relying on real-time transmission. Wonder why these fancy solutions don't have such a simple mechanism but rely on an inherently unreliable medium...
- mkatx 3y agoI'm more worried about proprietary camera/DVR software allowing (easy) access to my video feeds wirelessly. Not 100% fool proof, but my solution is wired cameras, and all on a UPS. Plus a pack of giant dogs..