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The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000
- bityard 3y agoDo you need to log into it in order to shift it out of park? Can you drive it without a smartphone on your person? Do certain HVAC functions require a paid subscription?
- LeoPanthera 3y agoUnusually for almost any car these days, it doesn't support CarPlay, so you will be required to use whatever "smart" functions are built-in.
- loopdoend 3y agoIf GM wants to drop CarPlay and force me to use their broken laggy garbage I just won't buy their car same goes for Tesla. Not paying a subscription fee for GPS.
- bonestamp2 3y agoGM's system is built by google and it's not laggy at all. That said, I also wouldn't buy it because I want carplay.
- snapplebobapple 3y agoI just want someone to figure out the perfect entertainment system has a volume knob, a radio button, and a mirror phone screen and audio button and thats it. Bonus points for allowing me to choose to mirror over wifi or over a usb that also charges.
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoUnfortunately, Tesla has one of the better less laggy less broken software stacks (vs. CarPlay and Google's equivalent).
- NotSammyHagar 3y agoTesla and Rivian both have excellent UIs. Mostly GM & Ford don't have great ones. I don't have exp with the latest ones from them. VW software has struggled to an embarrassing degree, seems to be better lately? Porsche is in that company family but it's worked out better for them I have read.
- jeffbee 3y agoBy far the biggest problem I encountered with the Bolt EV was its transient but recurring inability to charge from DC charging stations. The Equinox has a far higher charging power, up to 150kW. It makes me wonder if they fixed anything and what.
- turtlebits 3y agoIt's more likely that the charger was broken rather than the Bolt, as the reliability of non-Tesla fast charging stations is terrible. That said, the Bolt does have a low kWh charging rate of 55 kW, and in early models, DC fast charging was an option.
- jeffbee 3y agoOn a number of occasions I returned to a fault code on the charger blaming the car. Bolt owner fora are full of discussions about "Isolation fault detected".
- willio58 3y agoI just can’t get excited about large EVs anymore. We need cheaper, smaller EVs in the US yesterday. Looking at the options China and Europe have and comparing to what we have you can really get the sense that car companies here only care about making SUVs/trucks/and _some_ crossovers electric but don’t actually care about making small cars electric because of one thing.. profit. They know they’ll make more money on the massive cars but that’s horrible for us because it further expands the need for larger parking spots, wider roads, and I won’t even get into the fatality statistics when comparing cars of different sizes. The only thing that will force car companies to get smaller cars into the U.S. market is regulation. Then and only then will we see true EV offerings around the 20k mark
- FredPret 3y agoIf regulation is needed to force the existence of electric cars around the 20k mark, that means nobody wants to buy them now
- topaz0 3y agoIt's amazing to me that people still believe markets work in 2024.
- TheLoafOfBread 3y agoIf it would be working, BEVs would not be a thing.
- FredPret 3y agoHow can something as dead simple as a market not work? Things are offered for sale, and then people buy the things. As long as there are transactions, it’s working. Now, is the market efficient / globally optimal? No. Welcome to complex reality.
- rozap 3y agoIf energy just cost what it actually cost (no fossil fuel subsidies) the rest would follow. The market distortion from gas subsidies has caused this mess, we didn't get to everyone driving a 5000 pound vehicle due to the free market. We got here because of backwards laws and automaker's exploitation of said laws. Fuel or electricity should cost what it costs. Vehicles need to be taxed according to their externalities. Heavier vehicles have more externalities. Road maintenance, pollution, traffic injuries and fatalities to name a few. I think if we did these things we'd trend back towards reasonable vehicles over time, and that would be a big net win.
- ashconnor 3y agoIt's a shame they couldn't bring it in at $30k because at $35k they will have to compete against the likes of the Volvo EX30, although this edges out on range.
- Sohcahtoa82 3y agoThere's no way in hell they're making money at that price. They're probably not even breaking even. Even the higher trims are going to have extremely thin margins, if they're making money at all. Seeing as it's an $8K jump in price from the base model to the second level trim, I imagine dealers are going to make it very difficult to buy a base model.
- floxy 3y agoIs there a price breakdown somewhere with a costed bill of materials?
- somerandomqaguy 3y agoIf they are selling at a loss, makes me wonder if they're expecting to make up for it in software subscription sales.
- AnthonyMouse 3y agoSeems like they're creating a business model for someone to buy their cars, throw the computer it comes with in the trash and replace it with a general purpose one that will run the HVAC without an "insert coin to continue" prompt.
- NotSammyHagar 3y agoThey way they handle that (almost everyone does it this way now) is don't make very many of the low end model, maybe none at the start, then get the cost down and later make them. Suppress demand. GM didn't make enough bolts. Tesla can almost make money selling a model 3 at $39k before any tax discounts, the RWD version with 272 miles. With the theoretical battery price of $100/kwh, each kwh is almost 4 miles of range, need 28+19/4 = need about 11 kwh of battery or $1,100 of cost addition. They don't want to increase the range on their lowest end car because people might buy it instead of the more expensive higher end prices.
- m463 3y agoI think tesla made their stock model 3 wheels sort of rental-car ugly so people would drop a couple k on wheels. or pull off the wheel covers.
- alphanumeric0 3y agoThese prices are pretty meaningless. They said the same thing about Hyundai Konas but dealer prices are substantially different. Used/new car purchases continue to be a terrible value proposition.
- michaelbuckbee 3y agoSame with F-150 Lightning - _insane_ levels of dealer markup.
- rootusrootus 3y agoNot any more. Within 20 miles of where I'm sitting there are two dozen Lightnings for sale at MSRP (and I'm not in a big city). Markups are not really a thing at this point. Too-high of an MSRP is causing these to languish on the lot. Ford needs to start doing rebates like the good old days.
- xnx 3y agoInflation has stopped for most categories, and for cars it has reversed https://site.manheim.com/en/services/consulting/used-vehicle-value-index.html https://site.manheim.com/en/services/consulting/used-vehicle...
- mullingitover 3y agoPer CarGuru's stats page[1], prices have been in steady decline across the board. Average is 4.63% decline in the past 90 days. Hyundai/Kia are down >5% in the past 90 days. Teslas are actually down a lot more, 14% in the past 90 days and 29% YoY. [1] https://www.cargurus.com/research/price-trends https://www.cargurus.com/research/price-trends
- antisthenes 3y agoStill 27% over January 2020, compared to 17% inflation over the same period. Car prices need to drop another 10%, and then some for them to actually become affordable.
- tcbawo 3y agoI know someone with a 6 year old Tesla X that now has a range of around 120 miles. This is becoming a serious impediment for them. What happens to all the buyers of these vehicles when their range is halved before their life expectancy is up? Needing to pony up another $10-15k will probably be unaffordable for the average Joe.
- topaz0 3y agoI don't think any average joe has a tesla.
- bonestamp2 3y agoWhy not? The Tesla Model 3 literally sells for less than the average new car price in the US (lease for as low as $329/mo, roughly $246/mo after rebates).
- AnthonyMouse 3y agoThe average Joe doesn't buy a new car at all. The average car in the US is more than 10 years old. So they'll have a Tesla once they've been selling in volume for 10 years, which is still another five or six years out.
- jasongill 3y agoThey sold almost 2 million of them in 2023 so someone is buying them.
- atonse 3y agoI thought there was enough data on how Tesla packs degrade over time, and that it was closer to 10% after 5 years. Ours (mid-range 240 mile model 3) has lost less than 20 miles of range after 5 years/36k miles.
- Retric 3y agoIt just gets baked into the resale price. Some EV’s will still have 80% of their range at 20 years and other will be at 50% in 7 years based on owner behavior, battery chemistry, etc. Though I doubt your friend’s situation would be much different with an ICE. The only way a new battery isn’t covered by the warranty is if he’s already driven 150k miles before 30% degradation hit, at which point ICE cars also see a dramatic drop in resale value. As to ~10k to replace a battery, high mileage ICE engines end up needing a lot of work over their lifetime. Many 300k mile car see several sets of spark plugs, various belts, plus some big ticket items like transmission, catalytic converter, or cracked head gasket etc. Batteries just condense all that into one big ticket item which slowly degrades and people can budget for.
- jauntywundrkind 3y agoI'm not really anticipating being a car buyer for another half decade, but the #1 thing I want to judge the industry by & see progressing is MPGe (or kWh per 100km elsewhere). How efficient is your vehicle? Leaving everyone to go figure out efficiency obfuscates what should be a defining characteristics of these offerings!
- russell_h 3y agoIs there really much room for improvement on efficiency without moving to very different form-factors? I would have figured that rolling resistance and air resistance account for the huge majority of the energy usage without much room for improvement over eg a Model 3, unless you make it look like an F1 car or give it solid tires or something.
- jauntywundrkind 3y agoRight now some of the Model 3s are leaders of the pack, at 130+ MPGe. I expect some gains are possible, but yeah, not a ton in the current incarnation of cars. But it's something I feel like should be at forefront of mind. Competitors should be trying to get to top of pack, but very few are >120 MPGe. Also it should be more obvious that big E-SUVs, even if they have big range, are actually joule hogs. Seeing a 70 MPGe should be a turn off. And if we do change architectures? The Aptera has been talking about a 337 MPGe system for a while. It's an incredibly impressive idea, but only if people have the context to understand relative efficiency versus other EVs. We need to be building the base knowledge to evaluate, to appreciate wins, and to keep car makers from regressing.
- Twistyfiasco 3y agoPretty sure that's a feature.
- AnthonyMouse 3y agoMost people who don't drive an abnormally large number of miles have never much cared about fuel economy because it's a relatively small part of the cost of owning a car. At $3/gallon and 12,000 miles a year, the difference between 20MPG and 40MPG is $75/month, and when gas was $1.50 it was half that. This is even less of a concern with electric vehicles, both because any electric vehicle is already more environmentally friendly (you can feasibly charge with 100% renewable energy regardless of MPGe), and because the energy cost will always be lower than it was for gasoline vehicles, which leaves even less monetary value on the table for possible gains from efficiency improvements. So almost nobody is going to care about that unless we end up in a world where electricity prices are dramatically higher than they are now.
- leesec 3y agoI very much bet it will not. Or if it will they will be selling at a giant loss. Here's another claim from them in 2018 about upcoming cars requiring a technological breakthrough: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/12/577688125/gm-says-car-with-no-steering-wheel-or-pedals-ready-for-streets-in-2019#:~:text=America-,GM%20Says%20Car%20With%20No%20Steering%20Wheel,Ready%20For%20Streets%20In%202019&text=General%20Motors-,The%20Cruise%20AV%20is%20designed%20to%20operate%20on%20its%20own,pedals%20or%20other%20manual%20controls.&text=General%20Motors%20says%20it%20is,or%20any%20other%20manual%20controls https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/12/577688125....
- efitz 3y agoAnd if the battery is damaged it will cost $40k to replace.
- efitz 3y agoWhy downvote? This happens: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38783355 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38783355
- kube-system 3y agoIf any automaker can make a car that meets these criteria, I will buy one immediately: * it is available, new, at my local dealer, for <=$40k * it will enable me to travel to a destination 1.5 hr away, and return, without stopping to charge * it has a reliable fast-charging network * doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer I don't really think I'm asking for much.
- idiotsecant 3y agoWhich one of those does this not meet? The available inventory?
- ggreer 3y agoI guess Tesla doesn't have dealerships, so technically it excludes the Model 3 (which does meet all other criteria). Edit: He stealth-edited "doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer" into the list, so I think the point of the comment is just, "I want an EV that's as good as a Tesla but isn't a Tesla."
- lIl-IIIl 3y agoIt might fail his "doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer" criteria.
- NotSammyHagar 3y agocover the camera in the cabin, it's not necessary unless using stupid fsd.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoAnd it will never be inventory, base models are never stocked. With the 1LT at $35K and the 2LT at $43K it seems clear that the $35K is just a teaser price and there will be lots of obstacles thrown up if you actually want the 1LT.
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- marssaxman 3y agoWell, now, that's actually interesting. I'll have to check back in 7-8 years, when used models should have depreciated down to half that price, and see if it makes sense to buy one.
- tomatotomato37 3y agoOh boy, another unnecessarily large crossover gets stats that would have been perfectly achievable if they just made a normal-ass sedan
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoThey make crossovers because they sell crossovers. If you want a compact sedan, you only have a few options (most of those are luxury or super low end, sans the Model 3).
- raydev 3y ago> unnecessarily large crossover I think the ground clearance might be tricking you, the proportions make it look like a compact hatchback, just lifted.
- hnburnsy 3y agoAlternate headline: The Chevy Equinox EV range as low as 285 and cost up to $53,000 https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/02/2024-chevy-equinox-ev-trim-level-pricing-announced/ https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/02/2024-chevy-equinox-ev-t...
- 1970-01-01 3y ago>GM said the Equinox EV will beat other entry-level models in its segment, including the Tesla Model Y... Wow. No way they're going to beat the #1 best selling EV in the world. GM is clearly still learning how to both make and sell EVs.
- madaxe_again 3y agoIn other news, the EV we will be producing will have 30,000 miles of range and will cost $25 and will solve all of the problems in your life using magic. Until it exists, it doesn’t exist.
- antisthenes 3y agoThis is a shitty submarine article. To save you some time, here are some real prices (from the article): 2LT FWD starting at $43,295 (or $35,795 with tax credits) 2RS FWD starting at $44,795 3LT FWD starting at $45,295 3RS FWD starting at $46,795 On top of that, add $1,395 destination charge. Also, add your state taxes. Rough realistic price is going to be $47,000. Priced exactly so you don't get to extract any value out of fuel savings during the lifetime of the vehicle ;).