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Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue
- nikodunk 3y agoI have 7 HDMI slots on my TV, ready for Peacock Stick, Hulu Disney Plus stick, Netflix Stick, Paramount Plus stick, Max Hub etc etc Not more than seven though mmmkay?
- aionaiodfgnio 3y agoSounds like you need a KVM.
- teaearlgraycold 3y agoKludge of Various Media?
- 14u2c 3y agoWhy is that? With no need to handle USB a simple HDMI switch will be much more cost effective.
- rzzzt 3y agoIntroducing the MegaStick: 15 streaming services in a convenient cube!
- kayodelycaon 3y agoYou mean an Apple TV? ;)
- NicoJuicy 3y agoThat's not how it works... Those services get hidden discounts.
- kneebonian 3y agoDid you know that you could just grab an old computer slap Ubuntu on it, and get all of those services through only 1 HDMI slot?
- nehal3m 3y agoIf you want an inferior experience due to DRM you could absolutely do that. [1] Please don't grease the wheels of the attestation hype train. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/netflix/comments/n8ilcz/4kuhd_on_linux/ https://www.reddit.com/r/netflix/comments/n8ilcz/4kuhd_on_li...
- vladvasiliu 3y agoIf you're talking about doing the playback on Ubuntu, you lose the high-definition. I guess it may not be important for you, but I expect someone who sunk a fair amount of change on a high-end TV to care.
- ronsor 3y agoAt that point, hit the high seas and ditch the nonsense
- papichulo2023 3y agoEven then, last time I checked HDR playback on linux was a very hit-or-miss thing.
- mcpackieh 3y agoDo you mean HDR? High definition video playback works fine on Linux. Very performant even with low end hardware.
- callalex 3y agoThe content providers will refuse to serve the video to you without DRM, attestation, HDCP, whatever new crap some MBA came up with to justify a paycheck to some other MBA…
- rtsil 3y agoYou can always use a switch to multiply the inputs.
- intelVISA 3y agoYou'd probably DoS your router if they're all on concurrently due to all the data exfiltration they're performing.
- nerdo 3y agoNo joke just the Amazon stick itself would accomplish that. It tries to phone home constantly, every second of every day, idle or not.
- Corrado 3y agoI can confirm (mostly). I have a FireCube and if my Internet connection goes down then I can't watch TV at all. Even the Plex server I have in my closet. It's super annoying! In fact, I'm ==this== close to ditching it and going with AppleTV. The experience is just so much better.
- arprocter 3y agoYou might be able to load VLC onto the FireCube and then enable DLNA on your Plex server Navigating DLNA in VLC isn't great, but better than nothing
- petecooper 3y ago>data exfiltration Pi Hole can help with limiting this: https://pi-hole.net https://pi-hole.net Here's the 24-hour top blocked domains list for my network (1x Kindle Fire Stick): https://i.imgur.com/JZsO3WK.png https://i.imgur.com/JZsO3WK.png
- foobarian 3y agoNot sure if you're joking or not but already content is being filtered based on the client device. In my case of an Xfinity Flex TV box Plex refuses to play self-hosted content, and Amazon's app has restrictions on nested subscriptions.
- princevegeta89 3y agoI used to be like this, with a fewer number of devices. Now I eliminated them all, and I have everything under my own Jellyfin server in the cloud.
- fennecfoxy 3y agoLmao what a joke. Imagine if Mozilla said that they should get 30% of every ad that was viewed within/using Firefox.
- wmf 3y agoRoku does the same. At this point I would be surprised if any box or TV isn't taking 30%.
- afavour 3y agoOne of the reasons the state of smart home TV really disappoints me. Logical conclusion is we'll all end up with Netflix HDMI sticks, Hulu sticks etc etc etc. DRM means we're never going to end up with a fully open TV player.
- giancarlostoro 3y agoI'll just opt for the Kodi / Plext TV sticks and call it a day. Or hook it up to a HTPC and call it a day.
- afavour 3y agoSure but pirating all your VOD content is never a mass-market viable solution.
- post-it 3y agoIt sure is me-market viable though.
- nemo8551 3y agoI’m totally not saying I agree and would definitely do it myself……but yes. 100% yes. I’ve been plex for a while but jellyfin looks like I might have a choice of service in future.
- CuriouslyC 3y agoIt was for a long time, the thing that "killed" it was Netflix being very good for a brief moment, while at the same time many pirate sites got shut down and content creators went after people who didn't use a VPN to torrent. Many VPN services are one click to install and $2-5 a month, and the pirate sites are very resilient at this point, so anti-consumer practices could easily drive a resurgence in this form of mass market consumption.
- southwesterly 3y agoThis is going to end well.
- Ekaros 3y agoI'm waiting for the day when Microsoft starts asking 30% of revenue on Windows 12...
- brianwawok 3y agoThey 100% would if they could.
- amelius 3y agoI'm waiting for the day when TSMC starts asking 30% of revenue for using their FabStore. Or ASML, for that matter.
- itg 3y agoAt this rate, why not having the mining companies charge 30% of revenue for using their metals.
- bentcorner 3y agoAll of the above would if they could, its just that alternatives and competition that prevents it.
- Cu3PO42 3y agoI don't believe there's currently any alternatives to ASML's machines for EUV lithography. Unless you're fine using an older process node with lower efficiency. Of course these nodes are fine for a lot of applications still, but I have trouble believing there's any alternatives for cutting edge CPUs, GPUs, etc.
- amelius 3y ago> if they could Are you sure, even Microsoft had the decency to not extort their business users this much back in the 80s and 90s.
- squigglydonut 3y agoHey people. Did we forget that everyone has access to the internet? It's not like a physical store!!
- stormdennis 3y agoArrrr me hearty!
- hinkley 3y agoTurns out we would in fact download a car.
- gjsman-1000 3y agoMandatory reminder of the Piracy Warning from The IT Crowd: https://youtu.be/ALZZx1xmAzg https://youtu.be/ALZZx1xmAzg
- hinkley 3y agoThat is a parody of a real ad that appeared on American TV about 10 years before the IT Crowd. The original was almost as absurd.
- yomlica8 3y agoRemember when Jesus downloaded all those loaves and fishes and got crucified?
- Booktrope 3y agoWell, the article says, Amazon already charges this wherever Amazon Publishing Services is available. The change is to extend this charge to places where Amazon Publishing Services isn't available. Then the article provides some background info about how Amazon Fire works economically. So, basically, not much new here.
- Workaccount2 3y agoThe trickle down effects of Apple being a $3T corporation that is widely beloved and did it all on the back of a fiercely guarded walled garden.
- neaumusic 3y agoI personally think Apple does things correctly, and they do charge a premium, but they sell good products rather than requiring more of your time and energy (ads)
- candiddevmike 3y agoApple has ads[1][2][3] 1 - https://searchads.apple.com/ https://searchads.apple.com/ 2 - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-08-14/apple-aapl-set-to-expand-advertising-bringing-ads-to-maps-tv-and-books-apps-l6tdqqmg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-08-14/apple-... 3 - https://gizmodo.com/apple-tv-plus-more-ads-coming-tv-exec-lauren-fry-1850157827 https://gizmodo.com/apple-tv-plus-more-ads-coming-tv-exec-la...
- katbyte 3y agoAFAIK just on the App Store. That’s it.
- intelVISA 3y agoI love Apple, their white walls keep me safe; they even open and read all my letters (bins) for me to double check I'm safe :)
- HWR_14 3y agoThe difference is I feel Apple's walls protect me as well as their profits. I do not feel the same about Amazon/Microsoft/Meta/Google.
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- dakial1 3y agoPoint #1: This bait-and-switch tactic shouldn't be allowed by consumer regulations (Not in the US, but here in Brazil it would be a no-no) as in the end Amazon is tricking it's use base into paying for the Fire TV as a great deal, when in the end they will pay more for streaming as those costs that Amazon is putting on the streaming services will be paid by them in the end. #2 Wouldn't this movement be (potentially) a great chance for Plex to better position itself in the legal side of streaming? Because by offering a free hub for streaming (even licensing it for hardware sellers like Dlink and others, like Boxee once did) might generate a good revenue stream for them...until somebody buys the whole team (I miss you Boxee!)
- duped 3y agoIt's called the razor-and-blade model, it's not a bait and switch. RE Plex, that's basically what Android TV does, except it's better than Plex (for streaming services and device manufacturers) and has the same model as FireTV
- Timon3 3y agoCan you explain how? The situation here is: - Customers bought the devices without the 30% rule in effect - Amazon introduces the 30% rule - Customers will now be asked higher prices to make up for the lost revenue The razor-and-blade model is about selling one product cheap to increase sales on a complementary good. It's not about a vendor changing the situation, as is the case here.
- Liquix 3y agoPlex Inc. is not a good company. They are eager to collect and sell your data to advertisers. Jellyfin is a great alternative. Plex may share Collected Information as expressly set forth in this Privacy Policy, including the following limited situations: [...] With third parties to improve and deliver advertising to you on our behalf. Plex may also use third-party advertising companies to serve ads, which may, directly or indirectly, collect or use information about user visits to websites and mobile app usage over time and across non-affiliated websites and mobile apps to display advertisements more tailored to users’ interests on this browser or device, and those browsers or devices associated with it. More in the "Data We Collect" section: https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/ https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/
- bdcravens 3y agoLow cost computer, free software updates, backend infrastructure, several years of functional life, for $40 in sales (is there any profit there?). Exactly how is it surprising that they need to make some sort of additional revenue via kickback?
- hamandcheese 3y agoYou are right, it is entirely unsurprising that the monopolist expects to see a positive ROI on their dumping scheme.
- the8472 3y ago> free software updates It's not like amazon is paying for the maintenance of the entire software stack. And the part they're doing they mostly have to do anyway to support new devices.
- bdcravens 3y agoWhich underpins the point, that Amazon is continuing development of new software and hardware even with such low/no profit.
- HWR_14 3y agoThe specs are seem roughly equivalent to a raspberry pi, which is produced with far less economies of scale, and sold for a similar price point.
- bdcravens 3y agoThe Pi is sold without peripherals (remote) at that price point, they build little of the software, and given the supply/demand of late, there's a good argument to be made that it's well underpriced. When I had DirecTV Stream, I bought their streaming device (basically an Android steaming device, but they made it super simple to go into programming, feeling more like traditional cable). They cost $120 each.
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- neaumusic 3y agoadvertisements are saturating everything, and I think chat gpt is replacing google largely due to this, avoiding quora and blogspam
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- not2b 3y agoCory Doctorow has been writing about this lately. It seems we are heading back to the economic system that preceded capitalism in Europe: feudalism, where almost all of the gains were taken by rentiers: people who made money based on what they own (land, exclusive rights from the king, etc). Want to sell an app? Pay 30% to the landlord, but only if what you want to sell doesn't conflict with their business model.
- albert_e 3y agointel and AMD : wait maybe we can do that on our hardware too?
- happytiger 3y agoTime to pay the rent for the stuff you thought you owned. Closed ecosystems and walled gardens have all the charm of dental surgery these days but there are all the users. This is why we need more open standards. Open standards mean open competition and helps reduce monopolies.
- kotaKat 3y agoAt what point does a streaming service build an installer that walks you through turning on ADB and push the app over network ADB and just distribute outside Amazon (and Google)? (Sure, this is a lot of effort, but someone might go for the ol' sideload gag.)
- wmf 3y agoDon't give DJI any ideas about starting a streaming service.
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- hrdwdmrbl 3y agoA-priori, is there any explanation for a platform charging 30% other than monopoly? Imagine if a grocery store charged 30% for slotting fees?
- prasadjoglekar 3y ago30% is too high, but historically, cable networks gave about 15% of their impressions to the cable or satellite company to sell locally. So, on MTV, you'd see about 15 minutes of ads sold by MTV and 2 minutes of ads from the local car dealership that were sold by the cable co.
- hnburnsy 3y agoApp availabilty will be the replacement for carriage fights we see for sat/cable. Soon you will need multiple devices to have all services.
- PicassoCTs 3y agoSo all this only works if the consumers can not switch back en mass to piracy. Its sort of implicit. Either free computing dies or these companies.
- varispeed 3y agoThat's substantially more than many countries charge Corporation Tax on profits.
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- asow92 3y agoFireTV is a roughly a quarter of the OTT market in the US. Content providers could likely boycott the platform and survive if they got together and collectively stood against it.
- ChuckMcM 3y agoI find it amusing that television makers haven't started demanding a share of revenue on TV shows that have ads that they display. /s
- pja 3y agoEvery streaming device manufacturer does this. Roku demands a revenue cut if you want your app on Roku devices, last time I paid for something Amazon Video on my Apple TV Apple forced the transaction to go through Apple Pay and presumably took their cut there. It’s the standard business model in this market: sell a streaming device at or below cost and then turn to the streaming services & tell them that if they want access to the XX million people who own your device they’re going to have to pay up. 30% seems to be the going rate.