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Amazing, that's as fast as the Lamborghini Aventador https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_Aventador https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_Aventador

by liamk 11y ago

dxhdr 11y ago
It's as fast as the Nissan GT-R, which coincidentally costs around the same price as the Tesla. https://www.google.com/search?q=nissan%20gt-r https://www.google.com/search?q=nissan%20gt-r
- DanBlake 11y ago
  The GTR is 2.9 seconds, so the tesla is faster- Its also faster in the 1/4 mile as well, so this is kind of a big deal. I believe this is the fastest production car under 300k that you can buy.
  - dxhdr 11y ago
    They're very similar, 2.8 vs 2.9 is not that big of a deal. The GT-R NISMO is perhaps even faster but again, fairly similar. Regardless these are expensive cars (>$100k) with impressive performance no doubt. It's worth pointing out that the Tesla P85D is not the only 100k car with that performance available.
    - DanBlake 11y ago
      What are the other cars in the price range that can do these 0-60 and 1/4 miles times? Genuinely curious- I didnt think there were many even within .5 seconds of it (most start at 3.5 0-60's)
      - kross 11y ago
        Mercedes-AMG E63S 4matic with 590hp ~$105k does it in 3.5s, and that is very fast. The Tesla is indeed ludicrous.
      - RowanH 11y ago
        "Track day toys". Eg Caterham 620R, Ariel Atom 3.5r. I've got something very similar to a 620R, animal machines. Absolute animals. Stripped down, no creature comforts, really for one thing only...
      - bradleyland 11y ago
        The sub-two-second club is pretty slim. Zeroto60times.com has a pretty comprehensive list: http://www.zeroto60times.com/2-second-cars-0-60-mph-times/ http://www.zeroto60times.com/2-second-cars-0-60-mph-times/ The Tesla is the only sedan on the list. The majority of the cars are mid/rear engine super cars or track-day cars that you wouldn't care to drive every day. Any way you slice it, this is remarkable company.
    - soheil 11y ago
      > They're very similar, 2.8 vs 2.9 is not that big of a deal. It's not? At these rates higher acceleration is more than exponentially harder to achieve, that is the closer to zero you get. Someone should link a nice graph.
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    - prplhaz4 11y ago
      a tenth of a second for a 0-60 time actually is kind of a big deal...the closer you get to zero the harder it is to shave off that additional tenth...traction also becomes a very real limitation...bravo to the Tesla team. Also, i'm pretty sure the Tesla IS the only $100k luxury sedan with that performance right now. Very few pure sports cars make it under 3s.
      - dragontamer 11y ago
        Its probably _because_ of traction actually. A internal combustion engine has to worry about gears and gear switching. Even if the gear takes a short-time to switch, that is a penalty that the electric cars do not face. The Tesla can provide smooth acceleration from 0 to 60. No combustion engine can accomplish that feat... although some hybrid supercars are beginning to incorporate electric motors for that reason.
        aidenn0 11y ago
        Twin-clutch ICEs are pretty darn smooth acceleration.
        throw7 11y ago
        look up dual-clutch transmissions. agreed though, nothing's faster than not having to shift at all. the downside of a single gear may be limitation at top speed.... maybe.
    - vvanders 11y ago
      The Telsa also weighs 1 Ton more than the GTR which makes it even more impressive.
  - tdicola 11y ago
    The Ariel Atom 500 (with the V8) is a little bit faster at 2.3 seconds 0-60. However it's not really a daily driver kind of car like the Tesla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIiWhWpzFQQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIiWhWpzFQQ
    - bwilliams18 11y ago
      I wouldn't describe the Atom as a true production car.
      - tdicola 11y ago
        People build it and then you can exchange money to receive one, how does that not qualify as a production car? Some are even built in the US (by TMI) and you can find them at dealerships: http://arielatom.com/locate-dealer/ http://arielatom.com/locate-dealer/ A friend has one and it's perfectly legal to license, register, and drive on the street in some states. It has all the federal auto requirements like indicators, brake lights, etc. and can even pass a e-check (as long as you bought one with a catalytic converter).
        raisedbyninjas 11y ago
        Most definitions of a production car require that they are mass produced rather than made to order as well as being an original design rather than an aftermarket mod of a production car. I'm not sure of the exact sales model of the Atom 500, but wikipedia says it was a limited edition with only 25 made. Calling it a production car would be generous.
      - brobinson 11y ago
        It's basically a gokart with two Hayabusa engines strapped to it. It's road legal and it's for sale!
    - bradleyland 11y ago
      True. However, the Ariel Atom is an lightweight, open air (no roof at all), tube frame, track-day car. You're well advised to wear a helmet while driving the Atom. The Tesla is a 4-door sedan that you could easily use to pick up business partners from the airport. You might as well compare the tesla to a BMW HP4 (superbike).
  - ProAm 11y ago
    > The GTR is 2.9 seconds, so the tesla is faster- Its also faster in the 1/4 mile as well, so this is kind of a big deal. Not until the Tesla goes around the Nurburgring in the same fashion the GTR did.[1][2] [1] http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/86123/fastest-nurburgring-lap-times-2015 http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/86123/fastest-nurburg... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times#Lap_times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nords...
    - declan 11y ago
      >Not until the Tesla goes around the Nurburgring in the same fashion the GTR did. Or manages to go around the Nurburgring at full power at all: http://insideevs.com/expected-tesla-model-s-fails-lap-nurburgring-full-power-video/ http://insideevs.com/expected-tesla-model-s-fails-lap-nurbur... “Unfortunately the car went into a reduced power mode about 3 minutes in due to excess battery heat (at least, that’s my guess). However, before it did it was able to keep a GT3 RS going full chat, within shouting distance (at the 2:00 mark) far longer than any 4,700lb sedan has a right to. I think my next non-two seater car will be a Model S (fortunately I have a petrol-powered sports coupe to take to the track).
      - Randuin 11y ago
        This was decision as well. In the price range of the Model S I was considering the M6 and the 911. Ultimately I went with the M6. GT characteristics when I want, goes plenty fast for someone that seldomly goes to the track and yet still is capable of exciting on the road. The P85D, while fast, when I floored it I felt like I was taking off on a plane but there was a sense of comfort and safety that, funnily enough, I didn't want.
        declan 11y ago
        Nice choice! I opted not to get the M6 because I wanted something closer to ~3400lbs, which is about what the 911 GTS is, but you can't go wrong with a twin-turbo V8! Though now that I'm in the middle (well, almost done with the first version) of building https://recent.io/ https://recent.io/ it means more screen time and less driving...
  - SoMuchToGrok 11y ago
    Quick ≠ Fast (Acceleration vs top speed, agility, etc...)
  - declan 11y ago
    >I believe this is the fastest production car under 300k that you can buy. The 2014 Porsche 911 Turbo S was tested by Car and Driver at 2.5 seconds 0-60, and it's ~$200K, depending on options: http://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/911-turbo-turbo-s http://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/911-turbo-turbo-s I suspect the 2015 Turbo S might be a bit quicker.
    - beachstartup 11y ago
      the new S is quicker than advertised, for two reasons: 1. next year's needs to be quicker on paper by a small margin 2. the 918 needs to be the fastest on paper by a large margin what's remarkable about the S is it can do launch-controlled full throttle runs to 60 repeatedly. most other cars in this acceleration class (this new tesla, gt-r, veyron) are simply incapable of that, for various reasons. well, maybe the veyron, but who really cares because it's ludicrous for other reasons.
      - brobinson 11y ago
        >simply incapable of that The car computer actually prevents you from doing too many launches to avoid damaging the car. I'm sure you've seen this, but it's amazing nonetheless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5DRCTW-Q7o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5DRCTW-Q7o
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    - brobinson 11y ago
      Car and Driver got a 2.2 second 0-60 time on the 918, apparently. http://www.caranddriver.com/features/the-2015-porsche-918-spyder-is-the-quickest-road-car-in-the-world-feature http://www.caranddriver.com/features/the-2015-porsche-918-sp...
  - Thaxll 11y ago
    Well it's no big deal because the GTR is one league above in term of sport racing, this car is incredible on track, there is no way that Tesla will match that.
larrys 11y ago
Note that 0 to 60 is not always what matters. I have a Porsche Macan S (small SUV) which has 0 to 60 times in the 5 second range. But the acceleration from 50 to 95 (the point that your realize you are going to fast) feels almost split second. The 2012 911 that I had had much better 0 to 60 times (in the 4's) but even with a 7 speed manual transmission didn't have the kick that the Macan has at the upper end. [1] (And it's really pretty neat to hit the gas and in an instant be practically at 100 miles per hour. Helps greatly with passing truck..) Likewise if you take a test drive in a Cayman S which has better 0 to 60 than a Macan S it feels quite frankly like a "pig". I had a brand new loaner [2] and drove one for about 100 miles and went to town with it. Lastly, engine noise is pretty cool at least the way I have experienced it. [1] Generally you are going to do more accelerating once you get to 40 mph than you are from a stoplight at least that is what I have found. [2] Side note I have found that with the Porsches that I have bought they do get better once they are broken in (2k to 4k miles..)
- JoshTriplett 11y ago
  The difference is that there aren't posted acceleration limits, only speed limits. (And more generally, speed reduces available reaction time and increases your inertia in a collision, which is why it's the sensible thing to limit.) The only limits on acceleration are the general requirements to drive safely. So 0-60 is a lot more interesting than -95, unless you're driving on the autobahn.
  - Dylan16807 11y ago
    I would say that acceleration, forward and backward, in the 55-80 area is critical to safety.
    - larrys 11y ago
      Absolutely correct and one of the reasons I love that car so much. (Along with the handling and stability).
theonlyhighlndr 11y ago
In a straight line... The Tesla weighs more than an F150 and corners like a boat
- dragontamer 11y ago
  While that's true... the same is true for a lot of "American Muscle" cars. I've personally always had preference for smaller and better cornering / better handling cars. But there's a subset of car enthusiasts who only care about straight-line performance.
- vvanders 11y ago
  It certainly weights a bit, but the CoG is much lower than any ICE car due to the battery pack running along the floor. That gives it much better handling characteristics than an equivalent ICE car.
  - cherry_su 11y ago
    It [Tesla Model S CoG = 17.5-18"]'s competitive with supercars, i.e. that of the Ford GT [1], and better than the Porsche Boxster [2], which is not a supercar. [1] http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/1301_2013_motor_trend_car_of_the_year_tesla_model_s/viewall.html http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/1301_2013_motor_tren... [2] http://www.caranddriver.com/features/tesla-model-s-60-2015-10best-cars-feature http://www.caranddriver.com/features/tesla-model-s-60-2015-1...
    - theonlyhighlndr 11y ago
      Okay. Now what are their lap times? Center of gravity is one of the dozens of aspects working in conjunction that make cars fast. One of the most important being, weight.
      - kllrnohj 11y ago
        http://fastestlaps.com/cars/tesla_model_s_p85d.html http://fastestlaps.com/cars/tesla_model_s_p85d.html Unfortunately only 1 track, but it's not pretty and turns in times slower than a Golf GTD (diesel) or Fiesta ST. The P85 has a bit more tracks: http://fastestlaps.com/cars/tesla_model_s_performance_model.html http://fastestlaps.com/cars/tesla_model_s_performance_model.... Around Willow Springs it's slower than a Ford Mustang Ecoboost (0-60 5.2s, 310hp), and around Laguna it's close to 3 seconds slower than a VW Golf R (0-60 4.5s, 300hp) The Tesla is a luxury barge after all, not a sports car, so these results shouldn't exactly be surprising.

Amazing, that's as fast as the Lamborghini Aventador https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_Aventador https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_Aventador

by liamk 11y ago

Amazing, that's as fast as the Lamborghini Aventador https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_Aventador https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_Aventador

dxhdr 11y ago

It's as fast as the Nissan GT-R, which coincidentally costs around the same price as the Tesla. https://www.google.com/search?q=nissan%20gt-r https://www.google.com/search?q=nissan%20gt-r

DanBlake 11y ago
The GTR is 2.9 seconds, so the tesla is faster- Its also faster in the 1/4 mile as well, so this is kind of a big deal. I believe this is the fastest production car under 300k that you can buy.
- dxhdr 11y ago
  They're very similar, 2.8 vs 2.9 is not that big of a deal. The GT-R NISMO is perhaps even faster but again, fairly similar. Regardless these are expensive cars (>$100k) with impressive performance no doubt. It's worth pointing out that the Tesla P85D is not the only 100k car with that performance available.
  - DanBlake 11y ago
    What are the other cars in the price range that can do these 0-60 and 1/4 miles times? Genuinely curious- I didnt think there were many even within .5 seconds of it (most start at 3.5 0-60's)
    - kross 11y ago
      Mercedes-AMG E63S 4matic with 590hp ~$105k does it in 3.5s, and that is very fast. The Tesla is indeed ludicrous.
    - RowanH 11y ago
      "Track day toys". Eg Caterham 620R, Ariel Atom 3.5r. I've got something very similar to a 620R, animal machines. Absolute animals. Stripped down, no creature comforts, really for one thing only...
    - bradleyland 11y ago
      The sub-two-second club is pretty slim. Zeroto60times.com has a pretty comprehensive list: http://www.zeroto60times.com/2-second-cars-0-60-mph-times/ http://www.zeroto60times.com/2-second-cars-0-60-mph-times/ The Tesla is the only sedan on the list. The majority of the cars are mid/rear engine super cars or track-day cars that you wouldn't care to drive every day. Any way you slice it, this is remarkable company.
  - soheil 11y ago
    > They're very similar, 2.8 vs 2.9 is not that big of a deal. It's not? At these rates higher acceleration is more than exponentially harder to achieve, that is the closer to zero you get. Someone should link a nice graph.
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  - prplhaz4 11y ago
    a tenth of a second for a 0-60 time actually is kind of a big deal...the closer you get to zero the harder it is to shave off that additional tenth...traction also becomes a very real limitation...bravo to the Tesla team. Also, i'm pretty sure the Tesla IS the only $100k luxury sedan with that performance right now. Very few pure sports cars make it under 3s.
    - dragontamer 11y ago
      Its probably _because_ of traction actually. A internal combustion engine has to worry about gears and gear switching. Even if the gear takes a short-time to switch, that is a penalty that the electric cars do not face. The Tesla can provide smooth acceleration from 0 to 60. No combustion engine can accomplish that feat... although some hybrid supercars are beginning to incorporate electric motors for that reason.
      - aidenn0 11y ago
        Twin-clutch ICEs are pretty darn smooth acceleration.
      - throw7 11y ago
        look up dual-clutch transmissions. agreed though, nothing's faster than not having to shift at all. the downside of a single gear may be limitation at top speed.... maybe.
  - vvanders 11y ago
    The Telsa also weighs 1 Ton more than the GTR which makes it even more impressive.
- tdicola 11y ago
  The Ariel Atom 500 (with the V8) is a little bit faster at 2.3 seconds 0-60. However it's not really a daily driver kind of car like the Tesla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIiWhWpzFQQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIiWhWpzFQQ
  - bwilliams18 11y ago
    I wouldn't describe the Atom as a true production car.
    - tdicola 11y ago
      People build it and then you can exchange money to receive one, how does that not qualify as a production car? Some are even built in the US (by TMI) and you can find them at dealerships: http://arielatom.com/locate-dealer/ http://arielatom.com/locate-dealer/ A friend has one and it's perfectly legal to license, register, and drive on the street in some states. It has all the federal auto requirements like indicators, brake lights, etc. and can even pass a e-check (as long as you bought one with a catalytic converter).
      - raisedbyninjas 11y ago
        Most definitions of a production car require that they are mass produced rather than made to order as well as being an original design rather than an aftermarket mod of a production car. I'm not sure of the exact sales model of the Atom 500, but wikipedia says it was a limited edition with only 25 made. Calling it a production car would be generous.
    - brobinson 11y ago
      It's basically a gokart with two Hayabusa engines strapped to it. It's road legal and it's for sale!
  - bradleyland 11y ago
    True. However, the Ariel Atom is an lightweight, open air (no roof at all), tube frame, track-day car. You're well advised to wear a helmet while driving the Atom. The Tesla is a 4-door sedan that you could easily use to pick up business partners from the airport. You might as well compare the tesla to a BMW HP4 (superbike).
- ProAm 11y ago
  > The GTR is 2.9 seconds, so the tesla is faster- Its also faster in the 1/4 mile as well, so this is kind of a big deal. Not until the Tesla goes around the Nurburgring in the same fashion the GTR did.[1][2] [1] http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/86123/fastest-nurburgring-lap-times-2015 http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/86123/fastest-nurburg... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times#Lap_times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nords...
  - declan 11y ago
    >Not until the Tesla goes around the Nurburgring in the same fashion the GTR did. Or manages to go around the Nurburgring at full power at all: http://insideevs.com/expected-tesla-model-s-fails-lap-nurburgring-full-power-video/ http://insideevs.com/expected-tesla-model-s-fails-lap-nurbur... “Unfortunately the car went into a reduced power mode about 3 minutes in due to excess battery heat (at least, that’s my guess). However, before it did it was able to keep a GT3 RS going full chat, within shouting distance (at the 2:00 mark) far longer than any 4,700lb sedan has a right to. I think my next non-two seater car will be a Model S (fortunately I have a petrol-powered sports coupe to take to the track).
    - Randuin 11y ago
      This was decision as well. In the price range of the Model S I was considering the M6 and the 911. Ultimately I went with the M6. GT characteristics when I want, goes plenty fast for someone that seldomly goes to the track and yet still is capable of exciting on the road. The P85D, while fast, when I floored it I felt like I was taking off on a plane but there was a sense of comfort and safety that, funnily enough, I didn't want.
      - declan 11y ago
        Nice choice! I opted not to get the M6 because I wanted something closer to ~3400lbs, which is about what the 911 GTS is, but you can't go wrong with a twin-turbo V8! Though now that I'm in the middle (well, almost done with the first version) of building https://recent.io/ https://recent.io/ it means more screen time and less driving...
- SoMuchToGrok 11y ago
  Quick ≠ Fast (Acceleration vs top speed, agility, etc...)
- declan 11y ago
  >I believe this is the fastest production car under 300k that you can buy. The 2014 Porsche 911 Turbo S was tested by Car and Driver at 2.5 seconds 0-60, and it's ~$200K, depending on options: http://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/911-turbo-turbo-s http://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/911-turbo-turbo-s I suspect the 2015 Turbo S might be a bit quicker.
  - beachstartup 11y ago
    the new S is quicker than advertised, for two reasons: 1. next year's needs to be quicker on paper by a small margin 2. the 918 needs to be the fastest on paper by a large margin what's remarkable about the S is it can do launch-controlled full throttle runs to 60 repeatedly. most other cars in this acceleration class (this new tesla, gt-r, veyron) are simply incapable of that, for various reasons. well, maybe the veyron, but who really cares because it's ludicrous for other reasons.
    - brobinson 11y ago
      >simply incapable of that The car computer actually prevents you from doing too many launches to avoid damaging the car. I'm sure you've seen this, but it's amazing nonetheless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5DRCTW-Q7o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5DRCTW-Q7o
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  - brobinson 11y ago
    Car and Driver got a 2.2 second 0-60 time on the 918, apparently. http://www.caranddriver.com/features/the-2015-porsche-918-spyder-is-the-quickest-road-car-in-the-world-feature http://www.caranddriver.com/features/the-2015-porsche-918-sp...
- Thaxll 11y ago
  Well it's no big deal because the GTR is one league above in term of sport racing, this car is incredible on track, there is no way that Tesla will match that.

larrys 11y ago

Note that 0 to 60 is not always what matters. I have a Porsche Macan S (small SUV) which has 0 to 60 times in the 5 second range. But the acceleration from 50 to 95 (the point that your realize you are going to fast) feels almost split second. The 2012 911 that I had had much better 0 to 60 times (in the 4's) but even with a 7 speed manual transmission didn't have the kick that the Macan has at the upper end. [1] (And it's really pretty neat to hit the gas and in an instant be practically at 100 miles per hour. Helps greatly with passing truck..) Likewise if you take a test drive in a Cayman S which has better 0 to 60 than a Macan S it feels quite frankly like a "pig". I had a brand new loaner [2] and drove one for about 100 miles and went to town with it. Lastly, engine noise is pretty cool at least the way I have experienced it. [1] Generally you are going to do more accelerating once you get to 40 mph than you are from a stoplight at least that is what I have found. [2] Side note I have found that with the Porsches that I have bought they do get better once they are broken in (2k to 4k miles..)

JoshTriplett 11y ago
The difference is that there aren't posted acceleration limits, only speed limits. (And more generally, speed reduces available reaction time and increases your inertia in a collision, which is why it's the sensible thing to limit.) The only limits on acceleration are the general requirements to drive safely. So 0-60 is a lot more interesting than -95, unless you're driving on the autobahn.
- Dylan16807 11y ago
  I would say that acceleration, forward and backward, in the 55-80 area is critical to safety.
  - larrys 11y ago
    Absolutely correct and one of the reasons I love that car so much. (Along with the handling and stability).

theonlyhighlndr 11y ago

In a straight line... The Tesla weighs more than an F150 and corners like a boat

dragontamer 11y ago
While that's true... the same is true for a lot of "American Muscle" cars. I've personally always had preference for smaller and better cornering / better handling cars. But there's a subset of car enthusiasts who only care about straight-line performance.
vvanders 11y ago
It certainly weights a bit, but the CoG is much lower than any ICE car due to the battery pack running along the floor. That gives it much better handling characteristics than an equivalent ICE car.
- cherry_su 11y ago
  It [Tesla Model S CoG = 17.5-18"]'s competitive with supercars, i.e. that of the Ford GT [1], and better than the Porsche Boxster [2], which is not a supercar. [1] http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/1301_2013_motor_trend_car_of_the_year_tesla_model_s/viewall.html http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/1301_2013_motor_tren... [2] http://www.caranddriver.com/features/tesla-model-s-60-2015-10best-cars-feature http://www.caranddriver.com/features/tesla-model-s-60-2015-1...
  - theonlyhighlndr 11y ago
    Okay. Now what are their lap times? Center of gravity is one of the dozens of aspects working in conjunction that make cars fast. One of the most important being, weight.
    - kllrnohj 11y ago
      http://fastestlaps.com/cars/tesla_model_s_p85d.html http://fastestlaps.com/cars/tesla_model_s_p85d.html Unfortunately only 1 track, but it's not pretty and turns in times slower than a Golf GTD (diesel) or Fiesta ST. The P85 has a bit more tracks: http://fastestlaps.com/cars/tesla_model_s_performance_model.html http://fastestlaps.com/cars/tesla_model_s_performance_model.... Around Willow Springs it's slower than a Ford Mustang Ecoboost (0-60 5.2s, 310hp), and around Laguna it's close to 3 seconds slower than a VW Golf R (0-60 4.5s, 300hp) The Tesla is a luxury barge after all, not a sports car, so these results shouldn't exactly be surprising.