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Superlogical

• brap 2mo ago
  I have no idea what this is but I appreciate the roster.
• vicek22 2mo ago
  I love Ghostty. But I miss out on lots of its features because I use zellij exclusively to work with agents. This sounds exciting and I hope they'll choose some cliff oss license like gitbutler does
  • Zizizizz 2mo ago
    Zmx allows for similar features natively
• dolmen 2mo ago
  Funded by Mario Zechner (pi.dev) among others.
  • dude250711 2mo ago
    So, at least 2 of some dudes.
• cmiles8 2mo ago
  Congrats. Not entirely clear on the vision but most things he touches are great so am sure whatever they come out with will be good stuff.
• kubatyszko 2mo ago
  ssh superlogical.jobs This actually works!
• tosh 2mo ago
  might be a related sneak peek here: https://x.com/mitchellh/status/2079327969416482859 https://x.com/mitchellh/status/2079327969416482859 can't wait for more details!
• leetharris 2mo ago
  This is an incredible idea. I would usually be skeptical that such an engineering-focused tool would "make it," but Mitchell Hashimoto is one of the very few people I think can pull it off. This is going to change so many things if it starts getting adopted.
  • tipiirai 2mo ago
    Can you give me one concrete use case that explains how this is an incredible idea? Thanks
• tosh 2mo ago
  more info: https://mitchellh.com/writing/superlogical https://mitchellh.com/writing/superlogical
• steve_adams_86 2mo ago
  This sounds awesome enough to see if they're hiring, and they are, but unfortunately only in certain areas with an expectation to be in-office with some regularity. Bummer. Exciting to see this team together, though. This is a tool that I want and think about daily.
• jollyllama 2mo ago
  > We believe the missing layer is a durable session around the work itself Curious as to how this will be different than K8s?
  • bjt 2mo ago
    I'm curious from the other direction; where do you see overlap between k8s and what's described on the Superlogical website?
    • pphysch 2mo ago
      > For us, that means interactive work, automatic work, and production work would share one well-crafted underlying system instead of living in separate tools. Unless this is only for the narrow band of purely local work, I would be surprised if k8s didn't play a big role in the backend solution. It is the standard "well-crafted underlying system" for automatic production work. But, it isn't strong in the interactive-work/frontend aspect or other aspects, so it certainly wouldn't be the main focus of the final product. Random example: you want to multiplex some work across multiple (self-hosted) agents, using niche fine-tuned models. It would make good sense if those agents were automatically provisioned and deprovisioned (and isolated to your subtenant), and k8s is a great underlying system for that sort of thing.
    • jollyllama 2mo ago
      Doesn't K8s already practically provide a layer of abstraction across all infrastructure? You might not think of it as being a session, but to the degree that it's responsible for managing scaling and failover, it kind of is. This isn't a statement of value, I'm genuinely curious myself. In fact, I bet this new thing will probably be better.
  • lanstin 2mo ago
    This sounds like given a coherent structure to “I want the prod code here to change the retry policy so pending retries are held in memory in this edge layer instead of the DB writers so load can be shed more cheaply” and it will usher things in from coding, testing, filing tickets, getting prod approvals, using the deploy tools to respond the containers, smoke testing the deploy, looking at Datadog or whatever to ensure the change is having the desired effect. All in one context, the tools and dev/qa/prod systems naturally being orchestrated within the same environment/ session. K8s is just the next to last 100 meters.
• Sytten 2mo ago
  I am guessing Ghosty will become closer to Warp.
  • gorjusborg 2mo ago
    The post itself says that the effort is independent of ghostty. Their first work will utilize libghostty, and they'll contribute upstream. In other words, this probably won't directly involve changes to ghostty.
• vanagandr 2mo ago
  If its got Mitchell, I’m in. To make it more relevant: right now I mostly rely on tmux. Before that I’ve been a long time user of screen (irssi over ssh people know this play). Looking forward to this.
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    • misiti3780 2mo ago
      more info please!
      • jawngee 2mo ago
        He thinks ability to vote (and the number of votes you get) should be based on income. https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/business/article/shopify-ceo-draws-criticism-for-apparent-support-of-giving-wealthy-more-voting-power/ https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/business/article/shopify-...
        • ecshafer 2mo ago
          Taxes paid was actually what was said.
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          • catlikesshrimp 2mo ago
            I may be going astray, but I can see a way to degenerate "taxes paid" to "taxes before deductions" to "income since it relates to taxes anyways"
            • p-o 2mo ago
              It doesn't have to be that complicated. Just absolute terms could have the desired effect. - 1% tax of 10 million = 100k - 20% tax of 100k = 20k Hence, the rich pays more tax.
• h92hPAnQL5ylGZR 2mo ago
  It sounds like they're building a super-root which can destroy your whole infrastructure at once ??? From their website: "Building and operating software today spans local machines, remote hosts, sandboxes, services, and production systems. It has many modes of operation: interactively with a human developer, automatically through CI and background processes, and increasingly through agents working in parallel. [...] We believe the missing layer is a durable session around the work itself: one that can span applications and environments, provide relevant context by default, expose structured data and actions, preserve history, and be driven by software while remaining visible and controllable by people. [...] This is our plan to build a multiplexer for all work: 1 Build an incredible multiplexer. 2 Make everything in it composable. 3 Make it safe and operable in production"
  • pprotas 2mo ago
    It’s good to be skeptical, but this guy is the inventor of quite a bit of architecture software supporting modern systems I think it’ll be fine
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  • kccqzy 2mo ago
    It’s a terminal multiplexer. Nothing in this announcement suggests to me that using this multiplexer will require the user to get root or super-root or any additional permissions. It’s what the user already has access to, but more “durable” (which I take a mean terminal session history on by default). And I don’t believe any short-lived secrets like ephemeral keys could have their lifetime extended by a terminal multiplexer. And nothing really supersedes RBAC which any respectable org should be using always.
• hobofan 2mo ago
  I'm sorry to take it out on this specific announcement, as it just seems to be one of many "offenders", but why are the 15 investors listed on an announcement blog post of a semi-stealth startup? With most of them being VC or high-count angel investors, they can combined push whatever product is being built here into 200+ companies independent of whether it is good or not. What happened to the good old way of figuring out product market fit first? Is that the only way a product can succeed nowadays, or why else would a ~billionair that could easily fund it himself pull in that many investors that early? --- I'm excited to see what Superlogical will build, but the startup scene seems to grow more clique-y by the day.
  • xyzsparetimexyz 2mo ago
    Of course they need VC money! How else are they gonna hire the worlds best vibe coders?
  • colesantiago 2mo ago
    Ghostty and libghostty was product market fit. Superlogical (allegedly) uses it for the multiplexer. Mitchell Hashimoto is just the icing on the cake and he has a track record of building defining dev tools used by millions of devs. So it makes sense why you see 15 angel investors. More money / investment in the dev tool space is great for everyone!
    • hobofan 2mo ago
      I'm not doubting that Mitchell Hashimoto is capable of building great products with great product market fit. Quite the opposite, as the few strands of idolization that exist within me rank him as one of the best to ever do it in the dev tooling space. I'm also not doubting that there would be tons of investors throwing themselves at him for a new venture like this. But why, apart from forced market access would it be in his interest to take that money, given that he can nicely fund it for a few years with ~1% of his net worth if not for forced market access?
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• jvican 2mo ago
  I expect the product from this company to resemble a combination of Orca + zmx [0]: https://github.com/stablyai/orca https://github.com/stablyai/orca [1]: https://github.com/neurosnap/zmx https://github.com/neurosnap/zmx
  • jpeeler 2mo ago
    Somewhat related, I recently heard of fentas/atty from: https://erock.prose.sh/posix-shell-is-all-you-need https://erock.prose.sh/posix-shell-is-all-you-need
• user- 2mo ago
  Im assuming that they've noticed tools like CMUX and Herdr (cmux is using libghostty too and i use herdr in ghostty) and this is gonna be similar?
• tamimio 2mo ago
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• albertzeyer 2mo ago
  "Why is terminal usage more widespread than ever?" - I guess because of AI agents?
  • bpavuk 2mo ago
    call me an optimist, but I believe that more and more things are getting more viable to do from the terminal. tools like jj remove the need in Git GUI because mental model and UX gets streamlined, and the AI craze incentivizes practically every company to create their own CLI
• dominotw 2mo ago
  i just have log.md that keeps a running log of things as i work though a project. thats all my claude code needs to navigate 'session' across systems.
  • klas_segeljakt 2mo ago
    "Any sufficiently VC-funded AI startup will inevitably try to re-invent a log.md file" - Spongebob Squarepants
• atleastoptimal 2mo ago
  > Location Though the team has spent many years scaling remote-first companies and is currently remote, we are hiring specifically in Los Angeles, London, and New York, with an expectation for a flexible in-office schedule as we build our presence in each region. I always get a "lifestyle business" vibe when tech companies are based in LA or NY. When you're a seasoned veteran you'd prefer to live in a larger, more fun city, even though tech is concentrated in the Bay Area
  • simonw 2mo ago
    Or you want to hire the kind of seasoned veterans who want to live in those cities. Often later-career, families, looking for exposure to more than just a thriving tech scene.
    • cj 2mo ago
      And salaries are lower than SF.
  • woodruffw 2mo ago
    I don’t think that’s a parsimonious explanation in a post-COVID world. It seems equally if not more likely that talent is more distributed, and people find fewer reasons to relocate into the Bay Area (in terms of career progression, etc.) (This is not, in my mind, either a good or a bad thing.)
  • mikeocool 2mo ago
    Like notable lifestyle businesses Datadog, Squarespace, Etsy, Tinder, and Snap.
  • dgellow 2mo ago
    What do you mean by lifestyle business?
    • nvme0n1p1 2mo ago
      A business that lets employees have a healthy work-life balance.
• varun_ch 2mo ago
  is this the same thing as/related to https://superb.systems/ https://superb.systems/ ? https://go.superlogical.com https://go.superlogical.com --> https://superb.systems/ https://superb.systems/ edit: aand someone fixed it :) I guess that must've been their older branding (it was a very beautiful website)
• _verandaguy 2mo ago
  I really wish mitchellh wouldn't take funding from some of these people. Tobias Lutke in particular has chronically been on the wrong side of fundamental issues, and has most recently advocated for a pay-to-play version of democracy where wealth determines your ability to participate (and in particular your "stake" in the democracy).
  • stephc_int13 2mo ago
    I also recoiled a bit when I say that Lutke was on the investors list.
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  • tills13 2mo ago
    It's really unfortunate that the same traits that make you great at building a business (within capitalism) also often make you have psychopathic tendencies.
    • vrganj 2mo ago
      Kind of says something about the system we've chosen to run our societies on, huh?
      • an0malous 2mo ago
        Now we’re ruled by an oligarchy of psychopaths and everyone’s wondering how this happened
    • throwaway-blaze 2mo ago
      Easy to say this when the original commenter incorrectly described Tobias' comments. He suggested that those who pay more in taxes should have a greater say in how the government is spending the money. This is not a crazy idea on its face; you could say that taken to the limit it would not be a good system to live in (the highest taxpayer dictating what gov't does). But it does make sense that those who are footing the bill for everything might be consulted a little on the plans to spend.
• tills13 2mo ago
  Kind of funny that he lists himself as "Creator of Ghostty" first and not Hashicorp.
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• azuanrb 2mo ago
  That explains why he built sessions into libghostty instead of Ghostty itself. Looking forward to it. I spend most of my time in the terminal and have been using tmux to manage my sessions and workspaces, mainly via sesh. But recently, I decided to move to Kitty and use its built-in sessions instead. I built something around it as well. It’s still early, but I’m really liking this workflow so far. https://github.com/alienxp03/kesh https://github.com/alienxp03/kesh
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• efields 2mo ago
  This but software: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergroup_(music) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergroup_(music)
• ChrisArchitect 2mo ago
  Blog post: https://mitchellh.com/writing/superlogical https://mitchellh.com/writing/superlogical
• ksec 2mo ago
  Flashback to when Mitchell first introduce Vagrant [1] to HN, which of course was the how everything from HashiCorp started. I thought it was't that long ago, may be 8, or at best 10-12 years. Turns out 16 years has passed. Curious if it would be another project using Zig. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1175901 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1175901
  • teodorlu 2mo ago
    Considering it's going to consume libghostty, I'm betting it'll be Zig.
    • jeremyjh 2mo ago
      libghostty exports a C ABI. For an application from Mitch at this layer I would guess Go.
      • hoppp 2mo ago
        Mitch said he doesn't like go since they added generics. I checked the available jobs and they are hiring Typescript for web, Go for infrastructure,systems, Objective-C, swift for Apple I dig the ssh jobs page, UX is very good.
        • jeremyjh 2mo ago
          Yes and they don't mention any language at all for Windows. Just "native", which is pretty much a philosophical question for that platform. I guess that means the founders have all avoided that platform their entire lives - which makes perfect sense but it means they have to trust their first engineering hire to make every consequential decision. Personally I'd recommend they hire someone who has done native windows like its 2001 and is willing to use Zig.
          • trollbridge 2mo ago
            Zig has bindings for Win32, etc., so a competent Windows developer should be as comfortable using that as C, C++, or whatever else people write Windows programs in these days. (At some point, it was intended that Windows programs would be written in Pascal, but that never caught on.) Most of the time when I need to touch a Windows program I'm dealing with the Telegram desktop client which is C++ and a mixture of Qt and "native" Windows. (Well, that, and when I have to touch an ancient C# code base which requires doing the equivalent of archeology in order to get all of its dependent libraries to work.)
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• dtnewman 2mo ago
  I love how ghostty does windows/tabs/splits, but ultimately, I don't find myself using them. I find that I only have so much muscle memory in my hands, and I need to stick with one solution that works everywhere. A multiplexer let's me do this on my own machine, or if I'm SSH'd in elsewhere. Personally I use Zellij, because tmux feels like learning another vim. But I do use tmux when using tmate, because it's the simplest way I've found to share terminals. Anyway, I'm very happy to see someone with Michell's talent entering this space. We can use more options with sane defaults and great performance.
  • giancarlostoro 2mo ago
    The biggest strength to Tmux that a lot of the alternatives lack is you could make a shell script to setup your tmux instance(s) exactly as you would want, so by the time you load into it, its got all the tabs, split terminals, etc where you want them.
• xyzsparetimexyz 2mo ago
  Taking VC money to being a better (probably worse) tmux is the sort of clownworld stuff only people in the Thiel circle can come up with
  • colesantiago 2mo ago
    What does tmux alone do way better than the newer tools?
    • xyzsparetimexyz 2mo ago
      Surely the opposite question makes more sense: what's the value add of newer tools? I will admit that I've used https://herdr.dev/ https://herdr.dev/ before because unlike tmux, it displays the status of running LLM agents.
  • hoppp 2mo ago
    I have a lot of respect for Mitchellh but taking VC money for a tmux clone is wild. As long as you are rich all the VCs will throw money at you.. fine.. but if you are rich then you don't have to take the VC money either. Just do it out of passion.
  • __turbobrew__ 2mo ago
    My take is that it will be tmux as a service. You will have many different sessions which will have their data stored in some central system (read: raft/etcd) and an API built on top of that for create/list/attach to sessions. Ghostty is the client side aspect of this (the binary that actually runs on your laptop), but there will be a large backend system that the binary talks to through an API. With the API you can then also start automating sessions, for example when a metrics value trips an alert start an agent to triage with a session you can then attach to for further interrogation. What Im not sure of is if they are going to build on top of kubernetes or not, which already provides a lot of the features necessary (etcd store, API server, workload orchestration, tenant isolation, extendable API). (This is all speculation)
• an0malous 2mo ago
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• iririririr 2mo ago
  > We will build a high-quality terminal multiplexer that remains excellent at that job, even as it grows to support the second and third parts of the plan. why this feels the next step is data collection and Ads?
  • rvz 2mo ago
    Would you pay for it to not have data collections and ads?
    • iririririr 2mo ago
      would you start some business endeavor after being a well off multimillionaire, where the goal is to implement advertising?
• archietect 2mo ago
  It’s interesting because in an ideal world he is practically building a NixOS config. I’m pretty new to NixOS (a few months) but i could envision using Nix to declarativey configure tmux windows and panes in a dev shell. That said, Nix feels like it might still be too clunky at this point in time to quickly re-declare window and panel arrangements. But I never tried and it could be possible.
• Scarbutt 2mo ago
  We're a team that has spent our entire careers building some of the most widely used developer tooling, infrastructure software, and AI systems. Not being snarky. What AI systems have they built?
  • shorsher 2mo ago
    One of the cofounders is formerly from poolside (poolside.ai), where they produce open-weight coding models. One of their recent models, Laguna, got quite a bit of attention here on HN.
  • le-mark 2mo ago
    The one they’re currently building. This has to be an agent orchestration and management play.
• wxw 2mo ago
  Really exciting IMO. Many people are working on new work interfaces (e.g. Codex/Claude/Cursor, multiplayer agent spaces, unified Slack/Notion/Zoom, etc.), and I think the Superlogical vision makes sense as a competitor in the space, at least to try. There’s clearly room to improve our existing tools.
• simonw 2mo ago
  I really like the bit where he transferred ownership of Ghostty to a non-profit, and is now building this new company on that as an open source dependency: > We will build on libghostty exactly as it was designed to be used: as a public building block for terminal applications. Superlogical will consume the same MIT-licensed components available to everyone else, and we will continue to upstream shared terminal work so every libghostty consumer can benefit.
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    • fortuitous-frog 2mo ago
      Bun and the Rust pre-release have continued to be open source; the pre-release isn’t exclusive to Claude Code but available to anyone to download and use. There hasn’t been any public motion to indicate they may close source anytime soon. This FUD is so easily fact-checkable that I’m genuinely confused at how it caught on
      • nvme0n1p1 2mo ago
        > I’m genuinely confused at how it caught on Probably because they said AI rewrote it in 11 days, yet haven't cut a release almost 2 months later. If their AI finished it, where's the release? They ported enough of it to run a single app (Claude Code). Good job. But if I ported Linux to Rust and it was only capable of running a single app, should I be able say it was a complete port? We'd all agree that was misleading. It's the same with Bun. The marketing lies simply backfired.
        • simonw 2mo ago
          > If their AI finished it, where's the release? Producing a stable release for their community of code that had been written by AI in 11 days and had not yet been extensively tested in the real world would be grossly irresponsible. Instead, they made the AI rewrite available as a canary release and shipped it for a month as part of Claude Code to millions of their own users.
• jelder 2mo ago
  This doesn't seem like a niche that isn't filled. Am I missing out on something by still just using iTerm2 and tmux?
  • exitb 2mo ago
    I imagine something more like herdr, but done at the terminal level, not inside. But that’s cmux…
  • holden_nelson 2mo ago
    I've wondered this myself. I stuck with iTerm2 for a really long time but recently switched to Ghostty. Ghostty definitely seems to renders faster (I say "seems to" because I didn't benchmark or anything). I don't actually use a multiplexer. I'm not sure I understand the use case when most terminal emulators supports tabs + windows (like iTerm2 does). Or you could just launch multiple windows and use your OS's window manager to "multiplex". Are the terminals connected in some way that I'm missing? Regardless, I think Ghostty is a reminder that you can win in a space that's crowded. There's probably a lot of widely used software that would get dropped en masse immediately if someone had the guts to make a better alternative.
    • drob518 2mo ago
      Typically, the benefit of the mux over just more windows or tabs is the ability to detach sessions from a term and have them continue to run. But yea, the “split a term window into multiple terms” doesn’t have quite as much value in a world of lots of tabs. That said, you can do it under program control on the remote host, so it does save remote login overhead, etc. But for local, less value.
  • sbarre 2mo ago
    If you like terminals and tmux, can I suggest you spend a few hours playing with herdr? It clicked for me in a way that a lot of other orchestrators didn't.
  • 1123581321 2mo ago
    You are missing out a bit, but stay content. :) Multiplexers have a lot of little papercuts and limitations when you want consistent and native-to-the-OS behavior to flow all the way between the OS and the apps and connections in the multiplexers. For example, gesture scrolling in a tmux/zellij pane is hard because the right events don't flow through. It's an itch to scratch like designing a good terminal lib (like ghostty.) And then, there's all the unifying and smoothing out of data connections--I imagine they'll be a lot to make sure that, e.g., an ssh session or a Claude code session in a pane can be seamlessly reconnected or never drop when the pane is closed. This takes a lot of hacking to make look seamless in most setups right now. Like mitchell, I write a lot of software around multiplexers, and I've thought about making something similar, but I don't have quite the same level of personal wealth or angel investor connections. :) herdr and mosh are a couple of reference points for this, there are others.
• cjbarber 2mo ago
  My understanding: it’s like tmux but the session lives on a server instead of one machine and you can open it on your computer/phone/etc
  • jhallenworld 2mo ago
    The server being their server that you eventually have to a pay a subscription to use? Hmm.. Also, interesting permission problems. Are you going to allow a remote server owned by someone else have shell access to all of your computers? Are they allowed to train an LLM from all the things you type?
• sigbottle 2mo ago
  I feel like the main benefit of such a thing would be centralization. Part of the issue with the terminal ecosystem is precisely that everything's so fragmented and everybody needs to support arcane terminal protocols and wrap a billion wrappers around each other. The easiest way to solve this is to be a definer yourself rather than an integrator, which I think is what this is trying to be. If we could actually have standardized terminal extensions in one place (you'd be surprised how many extension codes there are in terminal land) that has a different semantics not from the 80s, but still captures the terminal experience, that would be great. The 'cleanest' experience I've got for what I want is mosh + tmux and even that has issues (no block cursor for example). If superlogical's ultimate goal is to revamp the Linux developer ecosystem, all for it. Am potentially worried long term about these kinds of strategies from a political point of view but as long as things stay open source and stay as local dev tools, its fine.
  • mtrovo 2mo ago
    Right, but I'm pretty sure this is not the first time somebody thought about solving it. https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/
    • dakolli 2mo ago
      Just look at the comments, everybody is like "look I built the same thing" LLM people have fried their ability to be original, its kind of nice knowing all my competition in tech has no original thought anymore.
  • f311a 2mo ago
    There is PR somewhere in the mosh repo to support block cursor. Just build it manually. Mosh is abandoned, unfortunately.
    • sigbottle 2mo ago
      Yeah I have my own forks for it, it's just annoying since usually I want to just install things on a machine and just "have it work". Mosh is also extra annoying because it depends on ssh and libcrypto stuff, which I have not found working with my current "install all my deps on a machine and run" workflow yet (e.g. from what I understand you basically have to compile from source for certain things that touch ssh and security; I wasn't able to get a portable git install either, instead I just trust the systemwide one and don't use old distributions). I've found that I'm making compromises that keep integration with existing systems minimal at the cost of perfect aesthetics :(
• andriy_koval 2mo ago
  domain could be very good for some relevant AI startup and not multiplexer..
• devy 2mo ago
  Wow, that "We're hiring/Career Page" link is geeksmaxxing. First time seeing `ssh superlogical.jobs` would be a way to show job descriptions in terminal!
  • FLeXMurphy 2mo ago
    NSA and other companies historically had you jumping hoops and writing mini-exploits to be able to see the email you're supposed to send your resume to.
    • devy 2mo ago
      I actually heard of that.
    • Lalabadie 2mo ago
      "I completed the Synacor challenge" is still a good way to get experienced CTOs' attention.
      • jeremyjh 2mo ago
        "I completed the Frobnicator challenge" probably works just as well. No one would want to admit they'd never heard of it.
    • xfz 2mo ago
      Or just write a good covering letter and email it to yourself.
      • dolmen 2mo ago
        Don't even send it. A draft is enough.
    • ButlerianJihad 2mo ago
      Final Exam https://m.xkcd.com/2385/ https://m.xkcd.com/2385/
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• an0malous 2mo ago
  > Guillermo Rauch This guy posted selfies with the war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu, did you really need his money? https://x.com/rauchg/status/1972669025525158031 https://x.com/rauchg/status/1972669025525158031
• kbd 2mo ago
  Very cool to see a man execute on his vision. Ghostty -> libghostty -> terminal multiplexing -> ???
• le-mark 2mo ago
  Commercializing and integrating (openclawing ?) cmux to take all the jerbs? https://github.com/manaflow-ai/cmux https://github.com/manaflow-ai/cmux
• whalesalad 2mo ago
  the careers page is just `ssh superlogical.jobs` which is kinda cool
• Sleaker 2mo ago
  Maybe I just missed the boat on hashicorp and similar solutioning, but I find a lot of the solutions for working with multiple systems using an intermediary shared language, such as terraform, end up obfuscating the problems they intend to solve and result in people who deal with and support those systems on a daily basis having very little understanding of how to interact and troubleshoot the core infra that is being built up with those tools. Yes, building those solutions requires a lot of expertise, but I've never found the tools to be worth engaging with over just using what the standard platform tools they abstract away were replacing. Then you add in the economic rug-pull scenarios that have happened when utilizing software like this and I wonder why everyone hops on the bandwagon so easily. What is the company they're building trying to solve that system maintainers can't already do? Isn't this just rebuilding OS windowing?
  • sbarre 2mo ago
    There is value in abstracting the underlying generic systems into more context-relevant primitives for people who just want to get shit done in that context. Why not meet people where they are at? If this product isn't valuable, then it will fail. I suspect it will not fail.
    • Sleaker 2mo ago
      I get that premise, I guess I've just been around a lot of bad engineers that use these types of tools as crutches but can't actually articulate or diagnose problems well. They just regurgitate the syntax like it's a magic spell.
      • sbarre 2mo ago
        Does that apply here? We're talking about abstracting generic OS windowing/multiplexing for what sounds like an agent-based development workflow modality where you're referring to what's happening in the panes/tabs/windows instead of the containers themselves. We're not talking about software abstractions.
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• dbgrman 2mo ago
  So excited to see what this dream team cooks!
• indiv0 2mo ago
  Funny. I started working on a similar product myself just a few days ago. I have multiple machines for multiple different purposes. Each one runs different agents (some local, some cloud), for different tasks. Different ones store different data (a NAS on one, my VMs on another, etc.). I wanted a durable layer over all of them to be able to start work on any one of them and resume on any other, and for all the disparate agents to share memory/configurations where possible, and for each node in the network to make all the others aware of its purpose (so when the NAS is online, the agents know how to connect to it and what it contains). Sadly no VC funding for me, building it on my lonesome :)
  • hikarudo 2mo ago
    Sounds super interesting! What's your approach?
    • indiv0 2mo ago
      Still exploring different options but at the moment I run a daemon on each node that connects via iroh to link the nodes (and NAT traversal). Once the link is established the nodes share data via a Raft-based datastore. I can launch a TUI client on any machine. This presents a chat interface like a typical LLM harness. From here I can configure which model I want to use, how the model is executed and on which node (for example I can use Ollama on machine A to serve a model that’s running on machine B, but executing commands via this system on machine C). Each daemon then acts like a typical LLM harness, but headless. So the commands and tool calls are streamed into the shared store and finally end up in my TUI. Since all the state is in the distributed store I can pick up the progress wherever I want, as long as there’s a node running there. Still a lot of big problems like latency so I’m not too happy with the current design. It’s a LOT of state to replicate, and obviously things get problematic when an agent was working on a project on machine A but then ends up on machine B which doesn’t have that project directory around at all. So the agent needs to re-orient itself to figure out what happened. Still pretty fun to play with.
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• brandall10 2mo ago
  This sounds like a mashup of of several things I've been playing with lately... - pi-web (https://pi-web.dev/ https://pi-web.dev/): a web frontend for the Pi coding harness which can multiplex pi sessions across multiple machines - herdr (https://herdr.dev/ https://herdr.dev/): a fairly polished agentic multiplexer TUI, can easily spawn or destroy windows based on subagent activity - firstmate (https://github.com/kunchenguid/firstmate https://github.com/kunchenguid/firstmate): a meta environment for coding harnesses - more naturally handles spawning and communicating with subagents, managing worktrees, and other SDLC functions, and has a fairly large number of constraints thru bash scripts to ensure better results with less intelligent models
  • asar 2mo ago
    I've been working on collie[1] a plugin for herdr that runs a web app on the herdr host which can then be served via tailscale for example. This has made accessing my agents on the go a lot easier, paired with session persistence from herdr it's been quite nice to work with. [1] https://github.com/AltanS/collie https://github.com/AltanS/collie
    • blissofbeing 2mo ago
      Yes, thank you I have been using it daily and it's great. Good job
      • lytedev 2mo ago
        Plus one here. Just set it up! Works a treat! Thanks!
  • simplism 2mo ago
    While not terminal-only, I've been using Orca (https://github.com/stablyai/orca https://github.com/stablyai/orca) for the past week and it's been a great experience
  • pbjerkeseth 2mo ago
    Since you seem curious about these types of tools, might I interest you in ouijit https://ouijit.com/ https://ouijit.com/ https://github.com/ouijit/ouijit https://github.com/ouijit/ouijit Its intended as a terminal agent orchestrator aimed at power users who want a little more design than what I like to call 'hackerman' UXes.
• feelamee 2mo ago
  why you want to build new terminal multiplexer? Is there issues with current? tmux or zellij? Still very interested. Especially if you will go further than terminal - multiplexer for window environment, not just in terminal
  • tristan957 2mo ago
    Well neither of those is backed by libghostty. They also aren't native. This multiplexer is a native application on macOS. Hopefully we see a native port for Windows and Linux too.
• wenbin 2mo ago
  `ssh superlogical.jobs` gives me same vibe as telnet bbs when I was in college :)
• fnoef 2mo ago
  I’m sorry. I tried to understand what is this about, but I couldn’t. The title didn’t explain it. The description neither. I remember I heard a saying somewhere that if you can explain what you are doing in a few simple sentences, then is is this really something valuable?
  • luisln 2mo ago
    The vision of having a shared interface for all work seems pretty clear to me.
    • fnoef 2mo ago
      I’m sorry, what does it mean?
    • lbrito 2mo ago
      That describes a computer
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  • sensanaty 2mo ago
    It's just another AI gobbledygook product whose sole purpose for existing is to cash in on the hype bubble, a few years from now this'll just be another in a series of infinite other VC grifts
• 4lx87 2mo ago
  Agent orchestrators are the IDE dream repackaged. IDEs never really took off, excepting lock-in/monolopolization (Visual Studio, Xcode). They never lived up to the grand vision of the likes of Alan Kay. IDEs of today are still basically just text editors with a file explorer. Agent orchestrators seem similar. The vision is grand but the implementation is just tabbed terminals.
  • phillipcarter 2mo ago
    I think IDEs took off plenty well, but several got frozen in time. Visual Studio as the IDE for building windows client apps, especially WinForms, was and still is a genuinely incredible and productive experience. The ease of which you could click-and-drag a UI, context switch to logic in the code behind the forms, wire up a web service backend, share domain models and have navigation and search tools understand all of it was great. And the TFS integration was quite good too. You really only had to leave VS to do database work or administer some IIS pools. Unfortunately, it couldn't keep up with the rest of the dev world. "Server Explorer" morphed to include your Azure VMs but froze for 30s each time you opened it. Docker tools came in super late, most Azure services didn't really have a VS tooling experience. The "right click publish" workflow meant for small systems never figured out how to graduate to real-world needs across many teams. Developers had to learn how to use many other tools for modern stuff, and so VS became far less of a center of gravity, often to their annoyance.
  • 2001zhaozhao 2mo ago
    I think they definitely have the IDE vision in mind and are trying to move off of terminals, based on two parts of the original article > so you can close the application, reconnect from another device, and pick up exactly where you left off. I think this is the remote IDE development dream that no one could quite get right, partly because there wasn't enough reason to run things on a 24/7 device. I think with coding agents that can run in the background this changes. > Sessions can be accessed through the web and native macOS/iOS applications, and sharing a live session with other people is built in from the start. I'd really like to point out that "Sharing a live session" is horrible UX for a terminal multiplexer because the terminal has to be the same size (# of rows/cols) on all viewers' screens, and some of these viewers may be on a phone and others on a laptop. Believe it, I tried myself and there's no good way around the problem. What is interesting is that they added this sentence anyway. This tells me that their long-term endgame is not the terminal. They're most likely trying to build a GUI-based agent IDE and then eventually expand to other work (per their headline of being the "multiplexer for all work") as it all gets more and more agent-based anyways. Well, they're not alone in having that vision.
• PersonalJarvis 2mo ago
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• aaroninsf 2mo ago
  https://xkcd.com/1406/ https://xkcd.com/1406/
• izolate 2mo ago
  Extremely excited for this as a tmux and Ghostty user. Given the team, I know a great deal of care will be taken in building this product.
• Too 2mo ago
  > We're also addressing the most common papercuts of existing tools, such as making scrollback, selection, and scrolling all work natively. Goes ahead and butchers the browser scrollbar.
  • trevorhinesley 2mo ago
    Scrollbar is fine for me? Just styled
    • munch117 2mo ago
      Invisible until moused over, or scrolled by other means. Barely visible even then. In the wrong place. It may be "just styled", but it's certainly not fine.
    • Too 2mo ago
      On iOS the whole page jumps up and down when you try to grab it.
• AIorNot 2mo ago
  another IDE for AI harnesess?
• the_real_cher 2mo ago
  Literally everything Mitchell does is top notch. Looking forward to seeing how this turns out!
• hoppp 2mo ago
  I dig that the jobs page is via ssh!
• rixed 2mo ago
  Meta, won't comment on the site, won't click. I'm fed up with this category of click baity titles that are designed to be enigmatic rather than informative. The guideline do not mention this, apart maybe from: If the title includes the name of the site, please take it out, because the site name will be displayed after the link. I'd prefer HN if we made it a habit to editorialize such titles consisting solely of a Domainname or a single word.
  • jeremyjh 2mo ago
    Without clicking you’d never know why it’s the title.
    • dijksterhuis 2mo ago
      that's kinda the point -- titles on HN usually indicate the sort of content that's behind clicking through, and whether it might be something interesting to the prospective reader. this one doesn't because it's the name of the company.
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  • dijksterhuis 2mo ago
    The actual header on the page is > We are building the multiplexer for all work. imo this would have been a better way to do the HN submission title (with or without [terminal]) > Superlogical: We are building the [terminal] multiplexer for all work
    • CamperBob2 2mo ago
      I clicked on the link and read the page, but I still don't have the faintest idea what a "multiplexer for all work" is, or why I want one. The more I read about it, the less I understand about it. Guess I'm not the target audience. At least I know that now, after several minutes of reading and head-scratching. I almost get tmux -- although I still don't understand why it's better than simply opening multiple terminal window instances like I've always done in Windows -- but I'm struggling to see how the concept of terminal multiplexing applies elsewhere.
• brad0 2mo ago
  OT, but the superlogical browser tab icon gives me flashbacks (pun intended) to the flash player icon: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Adobe_Flash_Player_32.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Adobe_Fl...
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• dannygreer 2mo ago
  Anybody else using Superset as your multiplexer rn? I'm finding it quite useful but wondering if there are other existing products that I should consider -- Mac Silicon: https://superset.sh/ https://superset.sh/ Curious to see what Superlogical cooks up.
  • aorth 2mo ago
    I've never heard of that Superset. I've used the Apache business analytics one though: https://github.com/apache/superset https://github.com/apache/superset. Unfortunate name collision...
• bryanlarsen 2mo ago
  Sounds like something that could be done with by pulling in a few dozen Emacs extensions and writing a few thousand lines of elisp. (And one of those extensions would be the libghostty base ghostel.) It's sort of what I'm doing already -- using emacs-server to provide portable persistent sessions on top of a bunch of terminals, agents and editor buffers. It's a 1% effort on my part and super janky and super me-specific -- if somebody put a small fraction of the effort into it that others are putting into superlogical and the other alternatives listed here, it could be awesome....
  • dinobones 2mo ago
    This is like the “why not use FTP yourself” response to the YC Dropbox page. Yes, but good, standardized developer tooling is valuable. Postman could’ve also been a “just use CURL and dump to JSON” for example. I actually am bullish on this. Tmux and ssh are somewhat clunky and probably under utilized by most people. I struggle to find commands, navigate sessions, see history, and so on. Also in an “agent” based world where you might ask an agent to execute things for you, how do you manage that context well beyond just giving it its own Tmux session to drive? It’s a good idea, and I’m surprised no one’s built it sooner.
    • bryanlarsen 2mo ago
      Devs don't use Dropbox, they use git. Git is probably the poster-child example of an unfriendly interface, and yet it's the standard way for devs to share files. Emacs is downright friendly compared to git & tmux IMO.
  • valcron1000 2mo ago
    Care to share your setup? I'm currently working on pretty much the same thing and it's looking good so far, but having a single user makes it hard to get enough feedback.
    • bryanlarsen 2mo ago
      Hmmm, it's a fairly stock emacs setup. Most of the weird/specific stuff is outside of emacs: setting up a sandbox, managing worktrees, managing disk space because each worktree can easily contain 200GiB of build artifacts, et cetera. The Emacs parts of it are all either stock or partially or fully broken. I've got notification support but it's broken. I'd love to use agent-shell because it's a much better way to interact with agents than using their stupid TUI's, but it's currently broken with Claude for me and is way behind the claude TUI. So instead I use claude-code-ide.el inside of a ghostel, but it's got a large number of friction points. Mostly due to claude's broken TUI.
• pama 2mo ago
  Serious question: if one were willing to give up on curses, isn’t Emacs/elisp providing the best multiplexing system available to humankind? And conceptually, why would agents ever need to depend on curses?
  • trollbridge 2mo ago
    Concretely, Emacs/elisp isn't particularly great for handling the newer terminal protocols that allow things like Shift+Enter, Ctrl+Space, etc., along with high colour support or better handling of the alt/meta/⌥ key. Hence why the flurry of new terminal emulators. The other problem is it does have to be hosted somewhere, and if you run it locally, it goes away when you close your laptop. If you run it remotely, you have the latency to the remote site. I suspect Superlogical is going to find a way to fix this problem.
  • broodbucket 2mo ago
    If you can find a way to stop Emacs from being painfully single threaded, yeah.
• ligarota 2mo ago
  Dam it, he did it again. Amazing guy. Bloomberg terminal dead soon
• passive 2mo ago
  My biggest token sink so far has been something very much like this, but I'm still not sure whether it's a good idea. But it has been a lot of fun.
• pjs_ 2mo ago
  I've spend the last ~20 years inside tmux/vim — and the last month almost exclusively in the Codex desktop app, and increasingly am just doing remote control from the ChatGPT app on my phone. Ghostty rocks and it brings me no pleasure to say this, but it seems unclear how much longer this world will exist?
  • goosejuice 2mo ago
    The agents have to live somewhere. They address your question in the post.
  • trollbridge 2mo ago
    Their intention is to let you live inside, well, Superlogical which can run on your Mac or Windows desktop, and, eventually, on your phone, too. I still regularly need to edit text files and use nvim for that. Sometimes I even use it to edit a prompt. I like to prompt my system by writing .md files to help get through the planning phase, and then I like to edit the generated todo list.
• brcmthrowaway 2mo ago
  How can I get points in the company?
• brcmthrowaway 2mo ago
  Can someone explain as pi as a harness vs Claude Code or OpenCode? People keep saying "yeah, it's customizable!", but I can't be bothered doing that.
• danbruc 2mo ago
  This reminds me somewhat of OLE, COM, DCOM, ActiveX, ... [1]. You can paste an Excel chart into a Word document and if you update the data in Excel, the chart in Word will update. You can edit the chart in Word using the Excel UI because you are essentially running an Excel instance inside of Word. You can interact with Excel through an API, no need for a human. But it is painful, you can probably imagine the kind of API you need in order to be able to do all the things you can do with the Excel UI. The idea is amazing, making this work consistently requires effort, and a lot of it. And as only a few applications invested this effort, it only works with a few applications and never really took off outside of Microsoft. I think this used to work with WordPad and maybe even Notepad but it no longer does, you just get an image instead of the chart object in WordPad and nothing at all in Notepad. It is a dying technology. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_Object_Model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_Object_Model
  • danscan 2mo ago
    I think you may have meant to comment on another post :)
    • danbruc 2mo ago
      No, correct post. But maybe I am misunderstanding the idea behind the post, that is certainly possible.
  • tclancy 2mo ago
    At least there's no history of security issues with that.
    • tptacek 2mo ago
      Can you explain how the COM/ActiveX security history applies here?
      • saltcured 2mo ago
        I had a similar wincing reaction to the expressed idea of wanting to converge output, control, and interaction under a terminal muxer in today's wacky world. But that's because today's world is forcing us towards overwhelming risk management and compliance systems like NIST 800-53 and friends. If anything, these mechanisms are being drawn, quartered, and spread to the opposite corners of the Earth. Control via configuration management systems with configuration drift detection etc. Outputs and diagnostics via monitoring, logging, audit, and accountability systems. Authorization systems with extreme least privilege, draconian rules for privileged role assumption. Interaction removed from the entire operations plane, so it only exists in some application domain concepts as a sort of ship in a bottle, which eventually perversely recurses into the same mindset for domains with interesting content and user roles. Lots of access path restrictions intentionally limiting which usage scenario is available in which combination to which user type from which locale with which client device. So the idea of flexible and convenient fusion of many different IO and control paths into a portable and remotely attachable terminal UX seems like the complete antithesis..?
• orphereus 2mo ago
  They're not hiring in EU remote? Barely managed to somehow open the links on my phone since I don't have my laptop around.
• alasano 2mo ago
  They're basically building in one layer what a lot of people are using multiple different apps for currently. Exactly as another commenter said, it's sort of a mix between herdr and proper remote access. I use pi as my primary harness and then Claude code and Codex (but with the desktop app for some very specific things) The last two have remote capability with their own app. With pi, you have extensions that can do remote access, but you still end up with three different places to look to get remote access properly from your phone. People also use tmux and Zellij and any other number of combinations of different apps combined with some kind of remote access, but nothing that's unified and does everything all at once in one place. I feel like that's a good problem to solve if you can do it better. It doesn't solve the fundamental problem however of inverting the flow from one human to many agents to many agents to one agent to one human.
• summarybot 2mo ago
  Multibuffer program like Emacs but not Emacs. All for it.
• andrewstuart 2mo ago
  Sounds a bit like the do all the things of Google Wave.
• supjeff 2mo ago
  backed by tobi lutke? so, supervillain tech.
• forrestthewoods 2mo ago
  Definitely a missing piece in the ecosystem. Happy to hear it will have first class support for web or GUI. tmux but with sane UX/controls being usable by non-vim binding people is important.
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• ltbarcly3 2mo ago
  The people here are a who's who of bad software. I expect horrible things. (if you haven't experienced the abomination of everything hashicorp made you should not downvote me here)
• css 2mo ago
  I like the concept. I maintain something similar [0], a daemon-backed supervisor where each task is one command in its own PTY (builds, servers, agent sessions), rather than a persistent shell workspace. [0]: https://github.com/reagentX/fleetcom https://github.com/reagentX/fleetcom
• guptadagger 2mo ago
  this is exactly the problem I found I had for my own agentic workflows and have been trying to solve on my own. excited to see what they come up with
• arijun 2mo ago
  Does anyone know how they’re monetizing it? Are they planning on selling the terminal multiplexer?
• mvc 2mo ago
  Something like emacs?
  • drcxd 2mo ago
    Me literally searching for emacs in the webpage.
• blmarket 2mo ago
  Seems like everyone is doing similar... here's mine: https://github.com/blmarket/hmux https://github.com/blmarket/hmux Idea is to keep everything feel same with tmux, just add what's necessary for agent integrations.
  • soupspaces 2mo ago
    The ease of implementation provided by AI tools makes this "work repetition" more likely. Humans are awful at coordination.
• tipiirai 2mo ago
  Can someone give me one concrete use case that explains what this does, and how it is useful/different? Thanks!
  • measurablefunc 2mo ago
    It's a multiplexer w/ distributed state. If you know about tmux then it's basically tmux but someone else can connect to the same session w/o logging on to the same computer. I can imagine it being useful for debugging production outages b/c several people can use a single "dashboard" for coordinating their work w/o having to go back & forth on slack/zoom/etc. You can ask any chat bot to explain further if you want to look into it: https://share.google/aimode/XadkUVcvpjlYhuWmK https://share.google/aimode/XadkUVcvpjlYhuWmK
    • tipiirai 2mo ago
      I get the tmux part, but not the slack/zoom part. What does “for all work” mean technically?
      • measurablefunc 2mo ago
        The list of people on their announcement page have a track record that will probably answer your question.
• andai 2mo ago
  Mother of all bikesheds, but... I didn't know I needed a mobile site with a scrollbar until now. Apple take note!
• airstrike 2mo ago
  Good thesis. Bad form. > We're building the multiplexer for all work. Devs again thinking "work" is interchangeable with software engineering.
• bluerooibos 2mo ago
  > Funded by ... Tobias Lütke Hmm, yeah - no thanks.
  • ninjin 2mo ago
    Was not familiar with the guy and this is certainly a take: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobias_L%C3%BCtke#Voting_rights_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobias_L%C3%BCtke#Voting_right...
• ericyd 2mo ago
  What am I missing by not using a terminal multiplexer?
• supportm 2mo ago
  I didn't know what multiplexer mean, but it looks amazing
• throw10920 2mo ago
  > Sessions can be accessed through the web and native macOS/iOS applications ...only native macOS/iOS applications. Not a good look.
• jarx64 2mo ago
  I'm stealing that gradient-scrollbar
  • aorth 2mo ago
    I came to say something similar. On mobile it looks really nice and matches the highlights elsewhere. Cool subtle visual effect.
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• blinded 2mo ago
  No remote jobs, bummer!
• sjdhoome 2mo ago
  I rely on tmux, sway, and AeroSpace for my daily life, so I think multiplexers are important. It's just that they're currently fragmented, and with Chrome, we have so many tools for organizing tabs and split-screen now. It would be great if Superlogical could solve all of this.
• adamsmark 2mo ago
  Anyone have any thoughts on how Herdr already addresses what they're building?
• tiffanyh 2mo ago
  Did mitchellh leak a demo video last week? https://xcancel.com/mitchellh/status/2079327969416482859#m https://xcancel.com/mitchellh/status/2079327969416482859#m
  • someone_jain_ 2mo ago
    This might me tmux alternative he had talked about before? Maybe a part of the superlogical ecosystem, but just like libghostty is?
• nielsbot 2mo ago
  Meta: Not quite sure what they're up to, but I appreciate the unique and interesting site design.
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• dakolli 2mo ago
  Its hilarious how everyone in the comments is like "Look I built the same thing" Ya'll really need to checkout that 15 year old talk from Peter Thiel about not building the same thing as everyone else. LLMs have destroyed problem solving, creative thinking in general. Why don't you people actually solve problems that matter and are original rather than making the equivalent of nvim configurations of the llm era?
  • olalonde 2mo ago
    > LLMs have destroyed problem solving, creative thinking in general. People probably had just as many uncreative ideas before, but lacked the ability to execute on them. Remember the "idea guys" constantly looking for tech cofounders to build their "brilliant" visions? Now, LLMs have given them the ability to execute.
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• dakolli 2mo ago
  This was just a pitch to VCs to collect a 10 million dollars because they don't know the difference between up and down and when say terminal multiplexer for the AI age they ask for your wire info.
• BobbyTables2 2mo ago
  Initial impression is that is is a weird stew of ghostty mixed with all the things HashiCorp tried to do…
• vladsiu 2mo ago
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• healthycoder 2mo ago
  This sounds like 8-10 products combined into one! Really cool
• cobbzilla 2mo ago
  I use and prefer screen I use tmux on windows and elsewhere when I must They both have pluses and minuses, neither is perfect and both (yes even tmux) seem “old” in today’s world There is definitely room for a next gen terminal multiplexer with all the built-in goodies we all want I signed up
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• kyranjamie 2mo ago
  > Though the team has spent many years scaling remote-first companies and is currently remote, we are hiring specifically in Los Angeles, London, and New York, with an expectation for a flexible in-office schedule as we build our presence in each region.
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• Havoc 2mo ago
  Can’t say I’m following but wouldn’t bet against the guy
• fadhilkurnia 2mo ago
  Glad that they picked Los Angeles as one of their main office locations!
• jagadaga 2mo ago
  Sorry, the text is too vague - what are they building exactly, another tmux? P.S. That custom disappearing scrollbar doesn't look super logical; it doesn't even look logical, tbh.
  • senko 2mo ago
    I still don't understand why tmux authors wasted their time on tmux, tho, when we already had perfectly servicable GNU screen. Why reinvent the wheel? /s
  • 63stack 2mo ago
    Yes. I find it quite funny that 4 people with the flashiest of titles (head of experience?) came up with this amazing plan: 1. it will be incredible 2. it will be composable 3. it will be safe to use in production I would totally invest millions into these guys, they have a bright future ahead.
    • vultour 2mo ago
      My first thought was that they have several people who seem like they'll expect very serious compensation but no actual product, then I noticed they already seem to have a whole bunch of VC backers. I'm not gonna lie, I'm a little jealous of people who can make a flashy vaporware pitch deck and ride the VC gravy train.
    • gehsty 2mo ago
      I feel like it must be worthwhile for Hashimoto to move on from Ghostty to this. If it is ‘just’ a better tmux-like experience, then that could be very useful if these agentic workflows actually arrive.
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• zombot 2mo ago
  > And as the work moves to production it lives behind separate systems and controls. That's not a bug, it's a feature. With exceptions, I think wanting to change that is misguided and won't fly anyway.
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• rambojohnson 2mo ago
  when is that large slab of color to the right of the site? it serves no purpose other than change color when scrolling...
• okzgn 2mo ago
  Nice touch for job offerings: ssh superlogical.jobs
• massimodeluisa 2mo ago
  This seems like a mix of several projects I recently encountered, such as https://pi-web.dev https://pi-web.dev , https://github.com/kunchenguid/firstmate https://github.com/kunchenguid/firstmate , https://github.com/stablyai/orca https://github.com/stablyai/orca , and https://herdr.dev https://herdr.dev. Very interesting idea! I would be glad to collaborate on it. Here's my contacts and GH https://massimo.deluisa.bio https://massimo.deluisa.bio (or https://出る.com https://xn--obk691h.com my poor website). Anyway, I wish you @mitchellh the best of luck with this new adventure!
• theknarf 2mo ago
  Are they reinventing https://sshx.io/ https://sshx.io/ ?