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Why was the Air Force plane’s transponder turned off? This is negligence that almost killed a plane full of people and endangered a national security operation.
by pradmatic 9mo ago
Why was the Air Force plane’s transponder turned off? This is negligence that almost killed a plane full of people and endangered a national security operation. Outrageous.
- ceejayoz 9mo agoBecause it’s flying near Venezuela, who we’re currently fucking with militarily.
- bdangubic 9mo agowe wouldn’t be doing that, we voted for President that will end all the wars, not start new ones
- wrs 9mo agoI think you have "war" confused with "blowing up people we're suspicious of". It goes perfectly with "imprisoning and/or deporting people we're suspicious of".
- foota 9mo agoIf you thought you were, you were tricked.
- ceejayoz 9mo agoI think your sarcasm detector needs calibrating.
- deleted 9mo ago[deleted]
- Obscurity4340 9mo agoThank you for buying my bridge, no refunds asked and zero money back down
- antonymoose 9mo agoNicolas, Uday, and Qusay Maduro have 48 hours to leave Venezuela. Until then, we have not launched a special military operation.
- malvim 9mo agoYes. The tanker plane with its turned off transponder off the coast is totally not a military operation.
- baq 9mo agoJust a flesh wound.
- komali2 9mo agoReal quick, I'm trying to remember a word, it's on the tip of my tongue. It's when one country uses military force in order to make another country have significant internal political changes. Just on the tip of my tongue....
- saubeidl 9mo agoIllegal war of aggression?
- tpoacher 9mo agoWar on terror?
- GoblinSlayer 9mo agoJihad?
- 1718627440 9mo agoAs if these kind of people care about such a threat. They do not care about "their" country, "their" country is a resource they control. They very much prefer to sacrifice the whole countries population until the tanks stand in front of their bunker and then they take the "clean self-exit".
- 3rodents 9mo agoit's only war if it's from the Middle East region of the world, otherwise it's just sparkling law enforcement
- Nextgrid 9mo agoSpecial law enforcement operation.
- pksebben 9mo agoI served. While in basic training, the drill sergeants taught us why we salute differently than other countries (probably apocryphal) - because we've "never lost a war". I'm cheeky now and I was then, so I asked about vietnam. "Police Action" came the terse reply. "We don't talk about that one." Course by then I'd already signed on the dotted, so...
- the_af 9mo agoCurious here, what's the different salute?
- pksebben 9mo agopalm-down. If you've ever seen the brits salute, it's palm-forward.
- mattmaroon 9mo agoWe’ve never lost a war but we’ve definitely failed to accomplish our objectives a few times along the way. We built the greatest hammer the world has ever seen then asked it to saw lumber and wondered why it failed.
- bdangubic 9mo agowe may need to look up a definition of “won” in the dictionary cause we didn’t win a war exactly 80 years :)
- testbjjl 9mo agoWe? Seems like a personal vendetta from my perspective. I in no way shape or form want to send Americans to Venezuela for the holidays to start an armed conflict.
- jacquesm 9mo agoVenezuelans also don't want you to send Americans.
- vkou 9mo agoI don't think anyone in the world besides the deranged fanbase wants to see this.
- pksebben 9mo agoWe really need a decent channel to petition other countries, as the US public. Maybe we could write on a legal pad and hold it up in the rear window as we pass them on the highway.
- komali2 9mo agoOr you could make like the French and actually do something about the death and destruction your nation subjects the rest of the planet to.
- saubeidl 9mo agoIt's funny how the French are portrayed as cowards in American popular culture, when in reality the French would've gotten the guillotines out already while the Americans... cower.
- pksebben 9mo agonot even a joke, we're skipping the 4th and celebrating bastille day this year. Ten days apart and the food and drink are just better.
- isodev 9mo agoCan’t you do it safely, with transponder on? It’s not like it will get softer or anything.
- perlgeek 9mo agoThe proper action then would be to declare war, and announce that the airspace is no longer safe for civilian use. The whole "oh yes, our military is active, but we aren't at war, and yes, the president tweeted about that" spiel is just untenable and ridiculous.
- wartywhoa23 9mo agoWelcome to the Brave New World (Order) of post-truth, post-law and special military operations.
- CrossVR 9mo agoThey can't declare war, that would require approval from congress. They're relying on the post-9/11 authorization granted to the president to use the military to go after terrorists and those that harbor them. That is why this administration is leaning heavily into calling the drug traffickers "narco-terrorists" and calling fentanyl their "weapon of mass destruction". They're covering their ass legally so they can invade another country without congressional approval.
- whiddershins 9mo agocongresss did not declare war for any of the post wwii wars.
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- armada651 9mo agoEven without a deceleration of war, any use of the military requires congressional approval unless it falls within some authorization congress has already granted.
- mattmaroon 9mo agoWhile technically true, they did give authorization to both Iraq and Afghanistan as well as others.
- muragekibicho 9mo agoIs it an inside joke I missed? 'Militarily' here and another comment had 'Bigly'. Is it a Trumpism?
- ceejayoz 9mo agohttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/militarily https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/militarily
- padjo 9mo agoI believe the term of art de jour is “special military operation”
- the_af 9mo agoThat's the term in Russia. In the USA it's "War on Terror-drugism".
- lovich 9mo ago[flagged]
- adastra22 9mo ago> a national security operation You answered your own question here. Military planes doing military things always fly with their transponder off. It would be suicide not to.
- ceejayoz 9mo agoMilitary planes often deliberately have them on; not every mission is secretive. You can often see NATO planes on FlightAware in the Black Sea clearly keeping an eye on the Ukraine theatre. Example: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/FORTE10/history/20230821/0203Z/L%2043.34248%2033.44616 https://flightaware.com/live/flight/FORTE10/history/20230821...
- FireBeyond 9mo agoAnd they often deliberately have them off, even for training flights, at least looking at my ADS-B receivers raw output and correlating to FA/FR24/etc.
- ceejayoz 9mo agoYes? I’m contesting the “always” bit, nothing more.
- adastra22 9mo agoI was speaking perhaps too casually, but "military things" was meant to mean offensive operations. The kind of things where you might expect to be fired upon (or at least need to take precautions against that happening). A transponder is a homing beacon for missiles.
- isodev 9mo agoYou watch too many movies, there are plenty of other things for the missiles to track. Transponder in civilian airspace is just how you keep planes from crashing into each other.
- schmuckonwheels 9mo agoCommon sense would dictate that a military aircraft conducting military operations off the coast of a hostile nation tend to not want to broadcast their position to the world. So not outrageous, just unfortunate. It's extremely common.
- trhway 9mo agoOn the other side it is perfectly visible on radar (and can be heard (and with jet having its own characteristic signature it can be tracked even by WWII microphone array like they did back then) and visible in binoculars from large distance in nice Caribbean weather), so it is hiding only from civilians. Security by obscurity kind of. That is especially so in the case of a slow large non-maneuvering tanker plane like here. And why would a tanker plane come close to and even enter the hostile airspace?! may be one has to check Hegseth's Signal to get an answer for that, probably it is something like "big plane -> Scary!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mUbmJ1-sNs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mUbmJ1-sNs.
- appreciatorBus 9mo agoThe information broadcast by transponder is significantly more precise than what you will get with radar, microphone array, or binoculars. GPS Lat & Long Barometric Altitude Ground speed & track angle Rate of climb/descent All updated every second or so.
- themafia 9mo ago> is significantly more precise than what you will get with radar Is that increase in precision much larger than the plane itself? If it's not then it couldn't possibly matter in this application. Further radar is not a static image. The radar is constantly sweeping the sky, taking multiple measurements, and in some cases using filtering to avoid noise and jitter. > GPS Lat & Long Barometric Altitude Ground speed & track angle Rate of climb/descent You get or synthesize every one of those with radar as well.
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- t0mas88 9mo agoIt's expected for military operations to fly without transponder, they don't want to have their location visible. But it's crazy that they're also doing it in Curacao controlled airspace without agreeing a restricted area. Even for training they set up restricted/military areas in airspace all the time. Not doing it here, in allied (Curacao is part of the kingdom of the Netherlands) airspace is unacceptable. They could have coordinated this in the normal ways so ATC would route civilian traffic around the military operations or talk to the military controllers (who can see both types of traffic) before sending an aircraft through the shared airspace. This isn't new, it's how military operations are done all the time.
- YouAreWRONGtoo 9mo ago[dead]
- davedx 9mo ago[flagged]
- PunchyHamster 9mo agoDo they have possibility of receiving the civilian transponders ? Even if it was off they shoudld've picked different flight height...
- ulfw 9mo agoIt's a tanker not a stealth fighter.
- ErroneousBosh 9mo ago> It's expected for military operations to fly without transponder It's been a problem specifically with US military aircraft for years that they just wander into other people's airspace with transponders off and expect to have it all to themselves. We should just start shooting down anything big enough to need a transponder that is not using one. Doesn't matter who's in it, doesn't matter what it's for.
- dxdm 9mo ago