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Reddit was my favorite website growing up. I'd discover new interesting subs, read random posts and comments. The frontpage was somewhat interesting too, but no

• maipen 2y ago
  > but now it feels like a bot fest and propaganda machine. Pretty much sums up every popular social media platform these days. HN is still a good place to learn about whats going on in the tech world and what not because it's simple and filters out alot of "brainrot", although there is an increasing number of comments that soley react at the headline. Reddit has become like meta, you either have an account or your user experience will be so horrible that you won't use it. X simply doesn't allow you to use it, atleast it doesn't pretend. I think we need more simple websites again, but I am not sure about the incentive structure.
  • hi-v-rocknroll 2y ago
    Well, reddit became worse than that ~10 years ago because of the inconsistent, absurd, immature unreasonableness of a sizable fraction of mods who added suck and subtracted cool from the world. Maybe this is a pattern common to most all group-oriented social media platforms where community mods skew towards being drama-oriented, elitist, and/or crazy because no one else wants the job and so, like policing, it attracts certain personality disorder-like individuals.
    • amiga386 2y ago
      Not only do the jannies do it for free, I bet Reddit could get them to pay to be moderators, in the same way that free-to-play games exist so that the "whales" (big spenders) can pay the game operator real money to have an unfair advantage over the regular player base.
      • error_logic 2y ago
        As if there wasn't already an issue with corporate sponsorship of moderation in some cases. This would destroy the eusocial for-free moderation by people who simply want to create an environment they value and others benefit from in the process.
    • anal_reactor 2y ago
      > because of the inconsistent, absurd, immature unreasonableness of a sizable fraction of human population. Most people are stupid and the only way to have something nice is to gatekeep. Every single time any community grows too large it becomes shit.
      • rightbyte 2y ago
        I don't think that the newcomers are necessarely worse, but that you mainly lose the ability to know most users by name when the number grow too big.
    • badsectoracula 2y ago
      > Maybe this is a pattern common to most all group-oriented social media Channel operator drama was a major thing with IRC back when it was popular (sometimes ending to like channel splits or even whole netsplits if the people involved were related to the server operators, bot/flood wars, etc), so yeah, there isn't anything specific to Reddit about it. I wasn't part of it but i am pretty sure you'd see the same patterns in Usenet back when that was popular (and despite the romantization, i somehow doubt that Usenet was all roses before the "Eternal September").
      • subsection1h 2y ago
        > despite the romantization, i somehow doubt that Usenet was all roses before the "Eternal September" Usenet was the best discussion platform I've ever used. People who posted questions to comp.lang.c without first reading K&R were commonly killfiled. People who posted questions to the comp.infosystems.www.authoring newsgroups without first reading relevant W3C specs were commonly killfiled. It was awesome. Can anyone direct me to a discussion platform created during the past 25 years where people are blocked or banned for failing to RTFM? I'm not aware of any.
        • vonunov 2y ago
          Well, they were kind of snippy with me on the FreeBSD forum some years ago when they felt like I hadn't done enough on my end, so there's that
        • badsectoracula 2y ago
          > It was awesome. TBH this doesn't sound awesome, it sounds exactly the hotbed that spawns community drama, passive aggressive behavior and other human stuff you still see to this day :-P.
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        • theamk 2y ago
    • tnias23 2y ago
      I can see the function of mods being taken over by ai at some point. Pros might outweigh cons.
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  • mulmen 2y ago
    > I think we need more simple websites again, but I am not sure about the incentive structure. Then go make one. It’s easier now than ever. The social media mistake was trying to make one site everything to everyone but the web is still there.
    • ben_w 2y ago
      This. I miss the old web, the old browser based games. So I'm digging out my old code from shareware I made 15 years ago and turning some of them into free games. Likewise my blog, converted it from Wordpress into plain HTML. I have more control, at the "expense" of not having a visitor counter system that might go up to 100 if I post a link here but otherwise only goes up to 1-4 views. This means no need for ads, which is a better user experience directly. It also means no built-in tracking cookies that I can't remove, and by extension no need for a popup that parrots "we value your privacy" like it's a magic phrase to keep demons at bay even though they "value" the privacy in the same way that a pirate values the cargo of the ship they're taking from at cannon-point.
  • Etheryte 2y ago
    I feel like this is another example of a problem that could be easily solved if we had integrated, anonymous and frictionless payments on the web. For example, imagine a Reddit clone, but every comment you want to post costs one cent. For a regular user it takes a while to build up even a hundred comments, meanwhile for a spammer, this could quickly become costly. The hurdle of course is that no one wants to put their credit card details into a bunch of random sites, or nearly any site for that matter. If we had anonymous payments integrated into our browsers, it would be very straightforward though, click a button and you give a site a dollar and you're good for a while. This would generalize and improve many other sides of the web as well, from sponsoring open source projects to creators. Removing the payment friction could help improve many things online, but I don't think I've ever seen a feasible, realistic path proposed towards that.
    • andruby 2y ago
      > If we had anonymous payments integrated into our browsers Was this the initial idea of the Brave browser? Did that succeed to some extent?
    • userbinator 2y ago
      That only makes it easier for those with the $$$ to control the narrative.
    • Grimburger 2y ago
      > every comment you want to post costs one cent People were saying this about email 20+ years ago. Not sure if it's the case here but there's a tendency for those in tech to think people problems can be solved with code. Many of the bad things on the internet are a layer 8 issue and collective human behaviour isn't an easy problem to solve.
      • ratlrrr 2y ago
        > Many of the bad things on the internet are a layer 8 issue and collective human behaviour isn't an easy problem to solve. Sure, clever analogy. The internet barely facilitates many best practices for congregating on a communal basis, barring a user's self-sovereign strive to cultivate, recognize and then compensate for its failings with whatever sort of information, interactions and dealings one happens to seek. 20+ years ago, i just settled for lurking whatever boards popped out of the ether and playing EverQuest, RuneScape and Habbo Hotel, to soak in its novelty. Such persistent asymmetricity should never be lost.
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  • odyssey7 2y ago
    Notably, unlike Reddit, HN isn’t a business that needs to be profitable, to my knowledge. It’s a recruiting tool for a major Silicon Valley VC firm. Brainrot isn’t going to attract as much of the talent or stimulate the ideas they’d want to fund, so HN has been good at resisting brainrot. This is my own analysis, I don’t have a source for it. The internet has always had nice discussion forums that were labors of love of generous people. In the case of HN, the generous person running the forum is actually a company managing billions of dollars. In the absence of a better funding model for the internet, maybe that’s the solution: altruistic billionaires finance more discussion forums that don’t exist to be profitable, at least not directly. The exponential growth required of publicly traded social media companies drives different motives in moderating and promoting the discussions.
    • celdon25 2y ago
      > altruistic billionaires finance more discussion forums that don’t exist to be profitable, at least not directly. A certain person tried that, but HN has given them nothing but hate over it. If there’s a specific idea you or others had in mind that was different, I haven’t seen any serious proposals or roadmaps posted. I’d love to see it though, I’d rather things be more decentralized without the contemporary gatekeeping that comes with it. Also I’m not sure what you had in mind for altruistic. There’s a difference between financing people’s nostalgia fetishes and financing the repairing of society, but either could be squeezed into the definition.
      • dale_glass 2y ago
        You mean Twitter? It's pretty much opposite from what I want from a platform. What I want is more or less Mastodon. A feed ordered by date, a complete lack of algorithmic suggestion (unless maybe I explicitly ask for it), a complete lack of advertising, and stringent moderation that enforces things in my preferred direction.
        • celdon25 2y ago
          I’m sure there’s some bozo GitHub repo out there that does exactly what you’re asking for. But you or someone needs to make a serious pitch with a viable roadmap and explain how it will add to society, and be prepared to tirelessly champion it as a movement, not just another shitty pet project. If it’s to service a nostalgia kick then that’s not going to be a big enough sell. Otherwise it needs to be a business, which is obviously not an option either. Xitter obviously made a lot of mistakes, but the appeal to society wasn’t one of them (the execution is another story), but that’s the only reason it is still around. There’s obviously a demand for it that isn’t being fulfilled. I’m not referring to “free speech”, I think that is the wrong message to focus on, though I do think big tech and Reddit had that wrong. Social media is responsible for the enshittification of society at large. It just takes a click to make someone an un-person at the slightest offense. Whether that be to exclude them from their social community with a block or ban, or expose something they said out of context. It’s not really a censorship issue as much as it is a self-censorship issue with the secondary effects that has on society as a whole. To put it more plainly: people are too afraid to express themselves, even under pseudonyms. There are exceptions but when they stand out it has a tendency to look weird, so it’s passively discouraged in that way as well. Even if you are allowed to do so, that doesn’t stop cancel culture from taking things you said or did out of context. You can’t have the old web culture back until that’s solved, and I don’t even know if that’s possible to do. So instead, we are stuck with gatekeepers and overzealous moderation (though the latter was a problem in the old days too). What a way to live, eh?
  • kyriakos 2y ago
    reddit is still good for some niches. non mainstream subreddits still have decent conversation and you can find help and info about topics or products that you cant find anywhere else. its not what it used to be but if you steer away from the home page and go directly to what you need its still good.
    • epolanski 2y ago
      Niches are better served by old plain forums which are still to date, imho, the best way to talk most topics.
  • extraduder_ire 2y ago
    Is the reddit experience that much worse without an account? I only browse old.reddit logged out and log in if I want to to comment before logging out by deleting my cookies. I started doing this after seeing the first "year in review" thing they sent to my account, which creeped me out. Especially not being able to disable this type of data collection, on either of the two sites. I may be having an easier time of it by using RES though.
  • winternett 2y ago
    I think the key to keeping a site/app good for as long as possible is to avoid an IPO... The need for dramatic year-over-year profit increase ruins the very fabric of innovation. Reddit also got rid of the very key features to it's initial success like displaying the number of upvotes and downvotes, and a lot of other key things like not collapsing comments, that kept it fair and transparent... Almost every app now degrades quickly after startup capital fades, maybe we should just all quit social apps the minute they show signs of degrading, because right now most of the content, ads, and people on these social apps are now just as uninteractive, repetitive, mundane, and unrewarding as watching TV.
• satvikpendem 2y ago
  It's not just the app, the content itself has regressed. Where previously many subs actually had content related to their name, now it's 90% American political content. Evert r/pics is not immune. It's not just the posts, the comments too have political stances in them too, for many posts even unrelated to politics. It's tiring to read.
  • Maxion 2y ago
    As most places do, reddit followed the pareto principle. Most people viewed, some peopel comment, and even fewer people post. The people who post, tend to be power users. I feel with the removal of third party apps, they alianated a lot of power users who used to moderate, and post the actually interested content. Some stayed, of course, but I feel anecdotally that content on reddit now is mainly posted by casual users and bots.
  • unsupp0rted 2y ago
    American politics has eaten everything, even my beloved Simpsons Shitposting sub. And my Star Trek Memes sub. When you comment to complain, you get "Star Trek has always been political", "The Simpsons has always been political". Yeah... but Star Trek memes hasn't always been. /r/SimpsonsShitposting used to be funny, not just sarcastic eye-rolls about [current-republican-bogey-man/woman strawman].
    • chrisan 2y ago
      Hopefully after this cycle the MAGAism dies out (assuming Trump doesnt win) and politics becomes boring again
      • celdon25 2y ago
        You’ll likely have worse problems on deck in that case, with no fashionable scapegoat to blame this time, even if we consider the effects of the wars alone. If you’re complaining about hearing too much about political drama, that just means you’ve been insulated from the real problems that haven’t reached your social class yet. I predict it won’t be long though.
• v3ss0n 2y ago
  It goes downhill after Aaron Schwatz death , and doomed after investor comes in, they bring political agendas with their money.
• creesch 2y ago
  That's what you get when a company spends years neglecting and sometimes actively working against the users and content that give unique value to the platform. The final straw being the API debacle of course. But even before, you could see people who really cared for various communities on reddit just give up and leave because it became too much of a struggle to deal with all the antics or apathy from the company itself. To be clear, amidst this, reddit was still growing. So from an Excel sheet management perspective, nothing seems wrong. But most of that growth could be found in low effort content that honestly can be found on any social media platform. Where the sort of unique content that did set reddit apart slowly started to decrease in both quantity and quality over the years.
• conradfr 2y ago
  The current anti-Trump content is off the chart. I know it's the elections but for (at least) non-Americans it's not that interesting. Actually the genuine content (and votes) seems to be a minority now? Reddit and X are both very bad, where is the non-video fun these days?
  • bitcharmer 2y ago
    I'm from UK and it annoys me too but I can't really blame American redditors for being so engaged. Trump is an existential threat to peace and prosperity so I'll just wait it out.
    • celdon25 2y ago
      How many wars did he start, or get started on his watch? Real ones, with dead children, not twitter flame wars.
      • panja 2y ago
        He certainly continued wars, opting to increase the number of drone strikes even higher than Obama. He's no pacifist.
    • edward28 2y ago
      Every America politician is an existential threat to world peace and stability.
  • 93po 2y ago
    reddit has had off the chart anti-trump content for nearly a decade now, as have nearly every single mainstream media outlet
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• fy20 2y ago
  I tried to use the official Reddit app, but it's buggy as hell. Everytime I launch it I am shown the Reddit logo for ~30 seconds, then it asks me to login again. This is not an uncommon issue, and the advice I've seen to fix it is to enable it to run in the background.
• andreasscherman 2y ago
  If you'd rather get a daily/weekly digest for the niche tech subs, you can use https://redditletter.com https://redditletter.com disclaimer: i created it to scratch my own itch for the reason you list
• epolanski 2y ago
  Their apps and website both keep getting worse and worse. Reddit is one of those great examples were management and execs all feel like they need to show their impact and justify their salary and just make the platform worse. Bots and propaganda are literally everywhere. The platform keeps getting worse but I admit it is to some extent addictive. I am somewhat happy that HN is one of those places where politics are generally avoided. I am sick of people arguing about geopolitics and national politics like it was some fan battle while not even knowing their mayor candidates programs, hell many don't even know who their mayor is or what their city council is working on. This stems imho from the dead of traditional newspapers who were often local, in favor of internet media which is in its nature global. I swear most people in Italy know more about US politics than what's happening in their own backyard, completely backwards.
  • 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
    I thought the site was getting worse because that's the natural life cycle of image hosts and Reddit decided to become an image host. HN is avoiding it because somebody else pays to run it and there's zero images or videos. Also re: politics, stuff the federal government does affects me a lot whereas most local governments seem pretty similar and powerless. If the pendulum can swing so broadly ever 4 years I'd better watch it, right?
    • damascus 2y ago
      > If the pendulum can swing so broadly ever 4 years I'd better watch it, right? Honest question: If, other than voting every 4 years, you have no ability to impact change, why spend the time watching it? Why not spend the time doing something more constructive that you have the ability to impact? (aside from prior to the election to inform voting, of course)
    • epolanski 2y ago
      How can the federal government impact you more, when anything from building permits, roads, garbage collection impact your daily life regularly? The last mayor of my city decided to make the entirety of the fields in front of my house (in Italy, countryside near Rome) buildable and completely ruined the view from my house and filled it with traffic.
• lamontcg 2y ago
  > a bot fest and propaganda machine. The bigger problem is the amount of lazy comments on the site, which are invariably highly upvoted. I'm so sick of pun threads, and office references and any other popular culture reference. They've just about made me start to hate Monty Python, which is quite an accomplishment. The latest is that everyone is beating Dune references absolutely to death. If someone wants an AI project idea, then a browser extension which used an LLM to score all the comments in a Reddit thread and filter out all the lazy comments would be useful. If it works, most of the comments on front page articles should disappear. It would probably eliminate most of the actual bot comments as well.
• jsbisviewtiful 2y ago
  The Reddit app is so buggy and full of features that prevent you from leaving the app when clicking links. It’s so obnoxious. I miss my third party apps.
• Obscurity4340 2y ago
  Lemmy is pretty good but still needs to grow in terms of active communities for any topic the way Reddit is. Still a worthwhile project and probably the most likely dominant alternative to Reddit
• Refusing23 2y ago
  the trick about reddit is just use it for your niche hobbies and such. dont follow the very large subreddits i mostly follow it for game specific subreddits, and my hobbies such as woodworking etc lots of great users in there