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Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

122 points by j0hax 2y ago

junon 2y ago
I can only hope we have someone more akin to Carter in office in my lifetime.
- kcplate 2y ago
  Be careful what you wish for, Carter is the poster boy of “good intentions not necessarily equaling good results”. But admittedly he was better than the current candidates we have available to us in November.
TheAceOfHearts 2y ago
I want the aliens to be real so much. But even if it doesn't turn out to be aliens, these sorts of events present an opportunity to study and explore as-of-yet unexplored or poorly understood phenomenon, which can be equally exciting. In particular, this example seems to be explained as follows: > In 2020, Justus completed an extensive study of the high-altitude barium release clouds, concluding that what Carter saw was "totally consistent" with what was launched that evening from Eglin AFB.[13] Justus described several physical aspects supporting consistency, and submitted a copy of the report for archival at the Jimmy Carter Library. And if we look up "Barium Tracer Cloud" on YouTube we can see images of what Jimmy Carter might've seen at the time, which has both a mundane explanation while being exceptionally magical in its own way. There's also additional images in the report PDF [1]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUAqsxYJtHc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUAqsxYJtHc [1] https://figshare.com/articles/online_resource/What_Jimmy_Carter_Saw_pdf/12625238/1 https://figshare.com/articles/online_resource/What_Jimmy_Car...
- chipdart 2y ago
  > I want the aliens to be real so much. But even if it doesn't turn out to be aliens, these sorts of events present an opportunity to study and explore as-of-yet unexplored or poorly understood phenomenon, which can be equally exciting. One of the main reasons why the UFO crowd discredits itself is the way that the crazies in the community are overrepresented, and look at "this flying object is not identified" and automatically jump to the conclusion that not knowing something somehow means it definitely must support an outlandish mythology.
  - Buttons840 2y ago
    "We can't be certain what it is, therefore, we are certain it is aliens." You're right, and it's funny thinking about it in more abstract terms. Being "unidentified" means we can't match it to any known phenomenon, to then jump to being certain it is aliens is silly.
    - keepamovin 2y ago
      Although this characterization does not represent a lot of the analyses, and I think it's silly to "homogenize" a group of people and misrepresent them via stereotype. Isn't that a definition of discrimination? That seems to be very silly. Haha! :) Anyway, analysis focuses on "5 unexplainable observables" like : lift without control surfaces, instant acceleration, low observability, hypersonics without signatures, transmedium travel. For a more serious introduction, see: https://www.uap.guide/ https://www.uap.guide/
      - chipdart 2y ago
        > Although this characterization does not represent a lot of the analyses, and I think it's silly to "homogenize" a group of people and misrepresent them via stereotype. You certainly aren't being serious. The term UFO has been so abused by crackpots and conspiracy loons that it managed to be synonymous with unbelievable reports of aliens.
        revscat 2y ago
        I see this frequently asserted, but rarely substantiated.
        keepamovin 2y ago
        Oh, I'm being serious. But the point about 'UFO' is different to the point about mischaracterizing people: which you seem to be doing. That seems to be an abusive thing, definitely.
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- keepamovin 2y ago
  The barium clouds in that video are a cool effect. Can that model explain the movement towards, then away from the group of witnesses? I guess wind, but is it so common for wind to blow clouds 1 way and then stop and then blow the other? Not a metrologist, don't know! Haha :) A good overview of "state of UAP" right now is: https://www.uap.guide/quotes/introduction https://www.uap.guide/quotes/introduction In addition, for fun, here's some other political figures (including some famous ones) and their UFO experiences: - Democrat presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich admits he saw a UFO during the 2007 debate: https://www.cleveland.com/openers/2007/10/kucinich_at_debate_i_did_see_a.html https://www.cleveland.com/openers/2007/10/kucinich_at_debate... - 40th US President Ronald Reagan was initially open about having been part of a group of passengers who witnessed a very fast UFO aboard an aircraft in 1974: https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ronald-reagan-ufo.htm https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ronald-r... - Army Gunner and Canadian parliamentary minister Paul Hellyer said he saw a UFO with his wife and friends: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer#Extraterrestrial_intelligence_claims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer#Extraterrestrial_... - Arizona governor Fife Symington was among witnesses of the Phoenix lights: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fife_Symington#Phoenix_Lights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fife_Symington#Phoenix_Lights - Kirsan Ilyumzhinov President of Kalmykia and head of World Chess Federation said he was show the inside of a UFO by NHIs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsan_Ilyumzhinov#UFO_experience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsan_Ilyumzhinov#UFO_experie...
  - mtreis86 2y ago
    It is very common for the atmosphere to have wind blowing in multiple directions between the different layers, called shear. Usually the jet stream will be around 90 degrees offset from the layers above or below it. If you open up https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs and click or select any region to get into the model sounding viewer, there will be wind direction barbs off to the right of the map that show the shear vertically.
    - keepamovin 2y ago
      Yes, I like that shear idea. But what I'm wondering is could a cloud from one layer move up then move in the other direction?? Thanks for the link! :)
- barbariangrunge 2y ago
  If there are super advanced aliens out there who can get to us, we are screwed. I for one want any aliens out there to be so far away they we can only maybe talk
- klyrs 2y ago
  For those of us who prefer text to youtube: a nice page that goes in-depth with nice pictures of barium tracers https://eos.org/science-updates/ionospheric-fireworks-illuminate-auroral-science https://eos.org/science-updates/ionospheric-fireworks-illumi...
stavros 2y ago
Too bad the aliens stopped visiting so prominently the moment camera phones became ubiquitous.
- 4dregress 2y ago
  Same with Ghosts, I guess they're anti social.
  - temporarely 2y ago
    Cameras don't have minds. Mind is not a camera. We do not know the nature of consciousness nor the true dimensionality of our reality. Joshua supposedly made the Sun stop and so do gurus in India (as a matter of routine) per numerous first hand reports, but no camera has ever captured it.
    - nkrisc 2y ago
      You don’t need a camera to prove the su stopped. The consequences of the sun stopping, or rather the Earth ceasing its rotation, would be detectable by an extraordinary number of sources and means worldwide. And yet, no one seems to have ever noticed such an anomaly.
      - temporarely 2y ago
        That is exactly correct. Now please read what I wrote again..
- solarengineer 2y ago
  I have tried to photograph an aeroplane and also the moon with my iPhone 12 Max. The image quality is dismal.
  - defrost 2y ago
    You need one of those digital cameras that swap in a pre stored high resolution image of the moon .. they're magic! https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/13/23637401/samsung-fake-moon-photos-ai-galaxy-s21-s23-ultra https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/13/23637401/samsung-fake-moo...
oksteven 2y ago
Hmm... that's conflicting with what Elon Musk say about UFO
vertnerd 2y ago
"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?
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- daghamm 2y ago
  He is today 99 years old and still the most clear headed president.
- api 2y ago
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  - mulderc 2y ago
    Sorry buy Reagan was pretty awful during most of his time in office cognitively and reportedly would just turn his hearing aid off during meetings he found boring and zone out. Biden is way more engaged than he was.
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    - delecti 2y ago
      I'm not sure where this idea came from, because Biden seems relatively sharp to me. Not a genius, not a rhetorical master, but relatively sharp. He does have a stutter though, and you can see he occasionally stumbles on a word before rewording the sentence he's trying to say.
mig39 2y ago
He was interviewed on the Skeptics Guide to the Universe podcast, and they talked about the incident. https://www.theskepticsguide.org/podcasts/episode-105 https://www.theskepticsguide.org/podcasts/episode-105 This was the podcast referenced on the John Oliver show recently, when Oliver talked about Jimmy Carter's UFO incident. They also had a bit of followup (decades later) on the latest Skeptics Guide episode. The current thought is that he saw some aircraft from a nearby airbase.
- likeabbas 2y ago
  There's strict protocols for aircraft flying near the president's aircraft. There's no way in hell the airbase would allow take off while the president is in the air and he wouldn't have been told about it.
  - mig39 2y ago
    He wasn't president at the time, and he wasn't in the air.
bsuvc 2y ago
While the link itself is not political, it seems to be inviting the people who want to turn HN into a place where they can say why their preferred candidate is the best, or more typically why the other candidate is just about the worst person in human history. HN is better when politics are discussed elsewhere. > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.
- shrimp_emoji 2y ago
  Sorry; it's hard to socially engineer discourse that intensely, kommissar. :p
- runarberg 2y ago
  This was a discussion about historic presidents. It certainly interested me, as a person who is curious about American history of the late 70s and early 80s. If there were any politics in that discussion—I’m sure there were, it is hard to leave politics out of interpretations of history—they didn’t affect the thread in a way that made it less interesting.
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wizerno 2y ago
John Oliver did a UFO segment just a few days back: https://youtu.be/zRdhoYqCAQg https://youtu.be/zRdhoYqCAQg
- dahart 2y ago
  Worth mentioning that in the first minute there’s video of Carter relaying his UFO sighting.
wizerno 2y ago
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perihelions 2y ago
I found several photos and a short video of the type (?) of barium cloud experiment the article refers to, https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/90497/colorful-clouds-glow-over-virginia https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/90497/colorful-clou... ("Colorful Clouds Glow Over Virginia" (2017)) https://www.nasa.gov/solar-system/nasa-launches-two-rockets-studying-auroras/ https://www.nasa.gov/solar-system/nasa-launches-two-rockets-... ("NASA Launches Two Rockets Studying Auroras" (2019)) - "The AZURE mission is designed to make measurements of the atmospheric density and temperature with instruments on the rockets and deploying visible gas tracers, trimethyl aluminum (TMA) and a barium/strontium mixture, which ionizes when exposed to sunlight. The vapors were released over the Norwegian Sea at 71 through 150 miles altitude."
- dieselgate 2y ago
  Thanks was wondering this! The clouds sure coalesce into more of an orb than I was expecting
ganzuul 2y ago
Say it really was an alien spacecraft, then the color changes could be blue- and redshift as your technology lets you seemingly alter the order of events of an acceleration and a deceleration at a far away destination. Giving a solution to GR that would create this effect is much beyond me but I would love to investigate the implications of such a universe.
likeabbas 2y ago
It's crazy to me how this link gets upvoted in HackerNews but not David Grursch's (former NRO/NGA Intel Officer) claims don't. He testified under oath to the Intelligence Community Inspector Generals, both Senate/House Intel Committees, and a public House Oversight Committee under oath that the USG has recovered crashed/landed non-human intelligence craft. The ICIG referred Grusch's claims to the intel committees as being "credible" and "urgent". David Grusch is not some random whistleblower we should be ignoring. He was a GS-15 intel officer read into over 2000 special access programs. He handled the presidential daily briefing, which they do not give to just anyone. Take a look at his resume to see how highly cleared he was https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO06/20230726/116282/HHRG-118-GO06-Bio-GruschD-20230726.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO06/20230726/116282/HHRG.... And let me just clarify - this is not just one person's claims. His work in the UAP Task Force had 40 people with direct, first hand knowledge of the programs. Some of whom worked on the NHI craft. He had these people testify to the ICIG, providing documentation, imagery, and other evidence. Listen, I know this sounds insane to most folks. The meat of his claims, beyond the craft, are that factions of the USG have *not* been properly giving congress(and even some presidents) oversight of these alleged Special Access Programs. The ICIG has most likely referred this case to the justice department, and his claims have started a congressional UAP Caucus in the house. Take a look at this interview with Marco Rubio, the ranking member of the Senate Intel Committee, as he's talking about the 40 whistleblower's claims https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4hmaflNoKU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4hmaflNoKU Rep Jared Moscowitz, after a SCIF meeting with the ICIG, said "Based on what we heard many of Grusch claims have merit!" https://twitter.com/JaredEMoskowitz/status/1745852400630456618 https://twitter.com/JaredEMoskowitz/status/17458524006304566... If you haven't watched the HOC hearing, or any of his other interviews, I highly recommend you do so. Or at the very least, read his opening statement he was giving to the HOC * HOC opening statement https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Dave_G_HOC_Speech_FINAL_For_Trans.pdf https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Dave_... * HOC hearing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSCEWo2yjds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSCEWo2yjds * Initial interview with Ross Coulthart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLZzDhDYMcw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLZzDhDYMcw * Initial article https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/ https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-re... * Interview on JRE https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm * Interview with Tucker Carlson https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1735083523050975277?lang=en https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1735083523050975277... I'm not saying the claims are true. I'm just saying, the allegations are worth investigating and should not be dismissed outright. Edit: One final note. After Grusch's claims released, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer introduced an amendment to the NDAA 2024 titled "UAP Disclosure Act" which would've set up a presidential panel to declassify and release information that the USG has on the subject. It references the terminology "non-human intelligence" 27 times. The amendment was gutted by certain house members and unfortunately did not make it through in its initial form, but it's worth the read. https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/uap_amendment.pdf https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/uap_amendment...
wbl 2y ago
Also of interest https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_rabbit_incident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_rabbit_incident
- macintux 2y ago
  And https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRX#Accident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRX#Accident
xandrius 2y ago
My favourite part: > In 2016, the hosts of episode #561 of The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe podcast read a letter forwarded by a member of the Carter family from Carl G. "Jere" Justus, giving his explanation of Carter's UFO sighting:[12] After recently reading the book Georgia Myths & Legends, by Augusta Chronicle columnist Don Rhodes, specifically Chapter 5, "Jimmy Carter and the UFO", I am virtually certain that I have identified the source of what it was that President Carter saw. In the 1960s and early 70s, I worked on an Air Force sponsored project that studied the upper atmosphere using releases of glowing chemical clouds, produced by rockets launched from Eglin AFB rocket range in Florida. Some of these chemical clouds, notably sodium and barium, were visible by the process of resonance scattering of sunlight. Clouds of this type had to be launched not long after sunset or not long before sunrise. This was due to the fact that the cloud had to be in sunlight at high altitude, while it was still dark enough at ground level for the cloud to be visible against the dark sky. In Carter's official 1973 UFO report, as given in the Rhodes book, he stated that he had seen the phenomenon in October, 1969, at 7:15 pm EST. However, it has been determined from Lions Club records that Carter must have seen the "UFO" when he spoke to their Leary, GA Chapter on January 6, 1969. The report "U.S. Space Science Program Report to COSPAR, 1970" (QB504.U54, Appendix I, page 154) documents that there was a barium cloud launched from Eglin AFB (Rocket Number AG7.626) and released on January 6, 1969 at 7:35 pm EST (January 7, 1969, 0035 UTC) [COSPAR stands for Committee on Space Research]. The reported altitude for this cloud was 152 km. With a distance between Leary, GA and Eglin AFB, FL of about 234 km, this cloud would have appeared in the sky at an elevation of 33 degrees (consistent with Carter's estimate of a 30 degree elevation). Carter's report notes that stars were visible, so the night must have been clear. I can verify from personal experience that under clear skies, a barium cloud such as this would easily have been visible from the distance of Leary, GA. Carter reported the UFO "appeared from West". The direction of Eglin AFB from Leary, GA is approximately WSW. Thus this barium cloud at Eglin is consistent with Carter's reported "UFO" as to time, elevation, and direction. Furthermore, the appearance reported by Carter is totally consistent with a high-altitude barium cloud. His report stated that it was "bluish at first, then reddish, luminous, not solid". A neutral barium cloud would initially glow bluish or greenish, with parts of it taking on a reddish glow as some of the barium becomes ionized in the high altitude sunlight. The size and brightness, reported as being about that of the moon, would also be consistent with a barium cloud at Eglin, as viewed from Leary, GA. Carter has been reported as saying that he never believed that he had seen an alien spacecraft, but that he had no idea exactly what it was. I'm interested in exploring if this information could be relayed to President Carter, so that if he wishes to, he can better understand what it was that he saw back then.

122 points by j0hax 2y ago

junon 2y ago

I can only hope we have someone more akin to Carter in office in my lifetime.

kcplate 2y ago
Be careful what you wish for, Carter is the poster boy of “good intentions not necessarily equaling good results”. But admittedly he was better than the current candidates we have available to us in November.

TheAceOfHearts 2y ago

I want the aliens to be real so much. But even if it doesn't turn out to be aliens, these sorts of events present an opportunity to study and explore as-of-yet unexplored or poorly understood phenomenon, which can be equally exciting. In particular, this example seems to be explained as follows: > In 2020, Justus completed an extensive study of the high-altitude barium release clouds, concluding that what Carter saw was "totally consistent" with what was launched that evening from Eglin AFB.[13] Justus described several physical aspects supporting consistency, and submitted a copy of the report for archival at the Jimmy Carter Library. And if we look up "Barium Tracer Cloud" on YouTube we can see images of what Jimmy Carter might've seen at the time, which has both a mundane explanation while being exceptionally magical in its own way. There's also additional images in the report PDF [1]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUAqsxYJtHc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUAqsxYJtHc [1] https://figshare.com/articles/online_resource/What_Jimmy_Carter_Saw_pdf/12625238/1 https://figshare.com/articles/online_resource/What_Jimmy_Car...

chipdart 2y ago
> I want the aliens to be real so much. But even if it doesn't turn out to be aliens, these sorts of events present an opportunity to study and explore as-of-yet unexplored or poorly understood phenomenon, which can be equally exciting. One of the main reasons why the UFO crowd discredits itself is the way that the crazies in the community are overrepresented, and look at "this flying object is not identified" and automatically jump to the conclusion that not knowing something somehow means it definitely must support an outlandish mythology.
- Buttons840 2y ago
  "We can't be certain what it is, therefore, we are certain it is aliens." You're right, and it's funny thinking about it in more abstract terms. Being "unidentified" means we can't match it to any known phenomenon, to then jump to being certain it is aliens is silly.
  - keepamovin 2y ago
    Although this characterization does not represent a lot of the analyses, and I think it's silly to "homogenize" a group of people and misrepresent them via stereotype. Isn't that a definition of discrimination? That seems to be very silly. Haha! :) Anyway, analysis focuses on "5 unexplainable observables" like : lift without control surfaces, instant acceleration, low observability, hypersonics without signatures, transmedium travel. For a more serious introduction, see: https://www.uap.guide/ https://www.uap.guide/
    - chipdart 2y ago
      > Although this characterization does not represent a lot of the analyses, and I think it's silly to "homogenize" a group of people and misrepresent them via stereotype. You certainly aren't being serious. The term UFO has been so abused by crackpots and conspiracy loons that it managed to be synonymous with unbelievable reports of aliens.
      - revscat 2y ago
        I see this frequently asserted, but rarely substantiated.
      - keepamovin 2y ago
        Oh, I'm being serious. But the point about 'UFO' is different to the point about mischaracterizing people: which you seem to be doing. That seems to be an abusive thing, definitely.
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keepamovin 2y ago
The barium clouds in that video are a cool effect. Can that model explain the movement towards, then away from the group of witnesses? I guess wind, but is it so common for wind to blow clouds 1 way and then stop and then blow the other? Not a metrologist, don't know! Haha :) A good overview of "state of UAP" right now is: https://www.uap.guide/quotes/introduction https://www.uap.guide/quotes/introduction In addition, for fun, here's some other political figures (including some famous ones) and their UFO experiences: - Democrat presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich admits he saw a UFO during the 2007 debate: https://www.cleveland.com/openers/2007/10/kucinich_at_debate_i_did_see_a.html https://www.cleveland.com/openers/2007/10/kucinich_at_debate... - 40th US President Ronald Reagan was initially open about having been part of a group of passengers who witnessed a very fast UFO aboard an aircraft in 1974: https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ronald-reagan-ufo.htm https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ronald-r... - Army Gunner and Canadian parliamentary minister Paul Hellyer said he saw a UFO with his wife and friends: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer#Extraterrestrial_intelligence_claims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer#Extraterrestrial_... - Arizona governor Fife Symington was among witnesses of the Phoenix lights: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fife_Symington#Phoenix_Lights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fife_Symington#Phoenix_Lights - Kirsan Ilyumzhinov President of Kalmykia and head of World Chess Federation said he was show the inside of a UFO by NHIs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsan_Ilyumzhinov#UFO_experience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsan_Ilyumzhinov#UFO_experie...
- mtreis86 2y ago
  It is very common for the atmosphere to have wind blowing in multiple directions between the different layers, called shear. Usually the jet stream will be around 90 degrees offset from the layers above or below it. If you open up https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs and click or select any region to get into the model sounding viewer, there will be wind direction barbs off to the right of the map that show the shear vertically.
  - keepamovin 2y ago
    Yes, I like that shear idea. But what I'm wondering is could a cloud from one layer move up then move in the other direction?? Thanks for the link! :)
barbariangrunge 2y ago
If there are super advanced aliens out there who can get to us, we are screwed. I for one want any aliens out there to be so far away they we can only maybe talk
klyrs 2y ago
For those of us who prefer text to youtube: a nice page that goes in-depth with nice pictures of barium tracers https://eos.org/science-updates/ionospheric-fireworks-illuminate-auroral-science https://eos.org/science-updates/ionospheric-fireworks-illumi...

stavros 2y ago

Too bad the aliens stopped visiting so prominently the moment camera phones became ubiquitous.

4dregress 2y ago
Same with Ghosts, I guess they're anti social.
- temporarely 2y ago
  Cameras don't have minds. Mind is not a camera. We do not know the nature of consciousness nor the true dimensionality of our reality. Joshua supposedly made the Sun stop and so do gurus in India (as a matter of routine) per numerous first hand reports, but no camera has ever captured it.
  - nkrisc 2y ago
    You don’t need a camera to prove the su stopped. The consequences of the sun stopping, or rather the Earth ceasing its rotation, would be detectable by an extraordinary number of sources and means worldwide. And yet, no one seems to have ever noticed such an anomaly.
    - temporarely 2y ago
      That is exactly correct. Now please read what I wrote again..
solarengineer 2y ago
I have tried to photograph an aeroplane and also the moon with my iPhone 12 Max. The image quality is dismal.
- defrost 2y ago
  You need one of those digital cameras that swap in a pre stored high resolution image of the moon .. they're magic! https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/13/23637401/samsung-fake-moon-photos-ai-galaxy-s21-s23-ultra https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/13/23637401/samsung-fake-moo...

oksteven 2y ago

Hmm... that's conflicting with what Elon Musk say about UFO

vertnerd 2y ago

"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

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daghamm 2y ago
He is today 99 years old and still the most clear headed president.
api 2y ago
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- mulderc 2y ago
  Sorry buy Reagan was pretty awful during most of his time in office cognitively and reportedly would just turn his hearing aid off during meetings he found boring and zone out. Biden is way more engaged than he was.
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- shrimp_emoji 2y ago
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  - delecti 2y ago
    I'm not sure where this idea came from, because Biden seems relatively sharp to me. Not a genius, not a rhetorical master, but relatively sharp. He does have a stutter though, and you can see he occasionally stumbles on a word before rewording the sentence he's trying to say.

mig39 2y ago

He was interviewed on the Skeptics Guide to the Universe podcast, and they talked about the incident. https://www.theskepticsguide.org/podcasts/episode-105 https://www.theskepticsguide.org/podcasts/episode-105 This was the podcast referenced on the John Oliver show recently, when Oliver talked about Jimmy Carter's UFO incident. They also had a bit of followup (decades later) on the latest Skeptics Guide episode. The current thought is that he saw some aircraft from a nearby airbase.

likeabbas 2y ago
There's strict protocols for aircraft flying near the president's aircraft. There's no way in hell the airbase would allow take off while the president is in the air and he wouldn't have been told about it.
- mig39 2y ago
  He wasn't president at the time, and he wasn't in the air.

bsuvc 2y ago

While the link itself is not political, it seems to be inviting the people who want to turn HN into a place where they can say why their preferred candidate is the best, or more typically why the other candidate is just about the worst person in human history. HN is better when politics are discussed elsewhere. > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.

shrimp_emoji 2y ago
Sorry; it's hard to socially engineer discourse that intensely, kommissar. :p
runarberg 2y ago
This was a discussion about historic presidents. It certainly interested me, as a person who is curious about American history of the late 70s and early 80s. If there were any politics in that discussion—I’m sure there were, it is hard to leave politics out of interpretations of history—they didn’t affect the thread in a way that made it less interesting.
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wizerno 2y ago

John Oliver did a UFO segment just a few days back: https://youtu.be/zRdhoYqCAQg https://youtu.be/zRdhoYqCAQg

dahart 2y ago
Worth mentioning that in the first minute there’s video of Carter relaying his UFO sighting.

wizerno 2y ago

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perihelions 2y ago

I found several photos and a short video of the type (?) of barium cloud experiment the article refers to, https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/90497/colorful-clouds-glow-over-virginia https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/90497/colorful-clou... ("Colorful Clouds Glow Over Virginia" (2017)) https://www.nasa.gov/solar-system/nasa-launches-two-rockets-studying-auroras/ https://www.nasa.gov/solar-system/nasa-launches-two-rockets-... ("NASA Launches Two Rockets Studying Auroras" (2019)) - "The AZURE mission is designed to make measurements of the atmospheric density and temperature with instruments on the rockets and deploying visible gas tracers, trimethyl aluminum (TMA) and a barium/strontium mixture, which ionizes when exposed to sunlight. The vapors were released over the Norwegian Sea at 71 through 150 miles altitude."

dieselgate 2y ago
Thanks was wondering this! The clouds sure coalesce into more of an orb than I was expecting

ganzuul 2y ago

Say it really was an alien spacecraft, then the color changes could be blue- and redshift as your technology lets you seemingly alter the order of events of an acceleration and a deceleration at a far away destination. Giving a solution to GR that would create this effect is much beyond me but I would love to investigate the implications of such a universe.

likeabbas 2y ago

It's crazy to me how this link gets upvoted in HackerNews but not David Grursch's (former NRO/NGA Intel Officer) claims don't. He testified under oath to the Intelligence Community Inspector Generals, both Senate/House Intel Committees, and a public House Oversight Committee under oath that the USG has recovered crashed/landed non-human intelligence craft. The ICIG referred Grusch's claims to the intel committees as being "credible" and "urgent". David Grusch is not some random whistleblower we should be ignoring. He was a GS-15 intel officer read into over 2000 special access programs. He handled the presidential daily briefing, which they do not give to just anyone. Take a look at his resume to see how highly cleared he was https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO06/20230726/116282/HHRG-118-GO06-Bio-GruschD-20230726.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO06/20230726/116282/HHRG.... And let me just clarify - this is not just one person's claims. His work in the UAP Task Force had 40 people with direct, first hand knowledge of the programs. Some of whom worked on the NHI craft. He had these people testify to the ICIG, providing documentation, imagery, and other evidence. Listen, I know this sounds insane to most folks. The meat of his claims, beyond the craft, are that factions of the USG have *not* been properly giving congress(and even some presidents) oversight of these alleged Special Access Programs. The ICIG has most likely referred this case to the justice department, and his claims have started a congressional UAP Caucus in the house. Take a look at this interview with Marco Rubio, the ranking member of the Senate Intel Committee, as he's talking about the 40 whistleblower's claims https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4hmaflNoKU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4hmaflNoKU Rep Jared Moscowitz, after a SCIF meeting with the ICIG, said "Based on what we heard many of Grusch claims have merit!" https://twitter.com/JaredEMoskowitz/status/1745852400630456618 https://twitter.com/JaredEMoskowitz/status/17458524006304566... If you haven't watched the HOC hearing, or any of his other interviews, I highly recommend you do so. Or at the very least, read his opening statement he was giving to the HOC * HOC opening statement https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Dave_G_HOC_Speech_FINAL_For_Trans.pdf https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Dave_... * HOC hearing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSCEWo2yjds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSCEWo2yjds * Initial interview with Ross Coulthart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLZzDhDYMcw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLZzDhDYMcw * Initial article https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/ https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-re... * Interview on JRE https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm * Interview with Tucker Carlson https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1735083523050975277?lang=en https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1735083523050975277... I'm not saying the claims are true. I'm just saying, the allegations are worth investigating and should not be dismissed outright. Edit: One final note. After Grusch's claims released, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer introduced an amendment to the NDAA 2024 titled "UAP Disclosure Act" which would've set up a presidential panel to declassify and release information that the USG has on the subject. It references the terminology "non-human intelligence" 27 times. The amendment was gutted by certain house members and unfortunately did not make it through in its initial form, but it's worth the read. https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/uap_amendment.pdf https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/uap_amendment...

wbl 2y ago

Also of interest https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_rabbit_incident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_rabbit_incident

macintux 2y ago
And https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRX#Accident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRX#Accident

xandrius 2y ago

My favourite part: > In 2016, the hosts of episode #561 of The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe podcast read a letter forwarded by a member of the Carter family from Carl G. "Jere" Justus, giving his explanation of Carter's UFO sighting:[12] After recently reading the book Georgia Myths & Legends, by Augusta Chronicle columnist Don Rhodes, specifically Chapter 5, "Jimmy Carter and the UFO", I am virtually certain that I have identified the source of what it was that President Carter saw. In the 1960s and early 70s, I worked on an Air Force sponsored project that studied the upper atmosphere using releases of glowing chemical clouds, produced by rockets launched from Eglin AFB rocket range in Florida. Some of these chemical clouds, notably sodium and barium, were visible by the process of resonance scattering of sunlight. Clouds of this type had to be launched not long after sunset or not long before sunrise. This was due to the fact that the cloud had to be in sunlight at high altitude, while it was still dark enough at ground level for the cloud to be visible against the dark sky. In Carter's official 1973 UFO report, as given in the Rhodes book, he stated that he had seen the phenomenon in October, 1969, at 7:15 pm EST. However, it has been determined from Lions Club records that Carter must have seen the "UFO" when he spoke to their Leary, GA Chapter on January 6, 1969. The report "U.S. Space Science Program Report to COSPAR, 1970" (QB504.U54, Appendix I, page 154) documents that there was a barium cloud launched from Eglin AFB (Rocket Number AG7.626) and released on January 6, 1969 at 7:35 pm EST (January 7, 1969, 0035 UTC) [COSPAR stands for Committee on Space Research]. The reported altitude for this cloud was 152 km. With a distance between Leary, GA and Eglin AFB, FL of about 234 km, this cloud would have appeared in the sky at an elevation of 33 degrees (consistent with Carter's estimate of a 30 degree elevation). Carter's report notes that stars were visible, so the night must have been clear. I can verify from personal experience that under clear skies, a barium cloud such as this would easily have been visible from the distance of Leary, GA. Carter reported the UFO "appeared from West". The direction of Eglin AFB from Leary, GA is approximately WSW. Thus this barium cloud at Eglin is consistent with Carter's reported "UFO" as to time, elevation, and direction. Furthermore, the appearance reported by Carter is totally consistent with a high-altitude barium cloud. His report stated that it was "bluish at first, then reddish, luminous, not solid". A neutral barium cloud would initially glow bluish or greenish, with parts of it taking on a reddish glow as some of the barium becomes ionized in the high altitude sunlight. The size and brightness, reported as being about that of the moon, would also be consistent with a barium cloud at Eglin, as viewed from Leary, GA. Carter has been reported as saying that he never believed that he had seen an alien spacecraft, but that he had no idea exactly what it was. I'm interested in exploring if this information could be relayed to President Carter, so that if he wishes to, he can better understand what it was that he saw back then.