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Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads
- jonny_eh 9y agoShould this really be publicly editable? Won't it just become a jumbled mess?
- tmeyster 9y agoThe goal here is to make it easy for some one to add data. I protected the initial 100+ salaries (Feature in Google Docs). An plan on locking in rows as more people contribute. The other option was to do a google form but would of been an extra step.
- nether 9y agoWhy are they mostly from the same bootcamp? Why does it say "over 100+" when there are 91 responses?
- flytrap 9y agoThis was informal survey/spreadsheet passed around specifically between App Academy alums. Somebody got their hands on it and published it. It's also pretty old -- we have a newer version that's in use now.
- dmoy 9y agoWould like to see this with more data, and then filtered down to only rows with full stock-refresh-vest cycles going on (e.g. if stock vests over 3 years, then only employees with 3+ years tenure, etc).
- arkadiyt 9y agoHere's another one that has 3600 salaries: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1a1Df6dg2Pby1UoNlZU2l0FEykKsQKttu7O6q7iQd2bU/edit#gid=1023506792 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1a1Df6dg2Pby1UoNl...
- tmeyster 9y agodope!!!
- toomuchtodo 9y agoThere's a corresponding google form out there to submit additional rows. Edit: Genesis: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11331223 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11331223
- learned 9y agoThis data doesn't seem too reliably sourced. Sorting by ascending years of experience shows negative numbers with the top entry being -9001 and an annual base pay of "a trap a day makes the boner go away"...
- ozim 9y agoWhen I looked at salaries around my area and places I assume I know something it looks reasonable. What was interesting some guys working at same place for long with 8-10yr experience had quite low salary compared to guys with 4yrs experience in the same area, but that is something I would expect as well. Just throw away obvious jokes.
- g33n 9y agoHaha, I think I know who that is; they were in my cohort. They had other problems in their life and I think have had trouble getting on their feet. It doesn't help that they didn't stay in NYC/SF upon completion and instead moved back to podunk, where there aren't as many tech jobs. Really smart person, but some serious issues.
- 11thEarlOfMar 9y agoThe data is not scrubbed at all [0], but once scrubbed looks believable. Per this self-reported data, base Salary for engineer-class jobs (excluding management)in the San Francisco Bay Area pays: 1 yr. experience $104,000. 5 yr. $132,000 10 yr. $175,000 15+ yr. $171,000 Cash bonuses average about 7% of base salary. [0]Most salaries are written out fully ($120,000). But enough are in $1,000s ($120) to throw it off if you're doing any averaging. Location naming is all over the place: - San Francisco - SFO - San Francisco Bay Area - Bay Area - San Jose - San Carlos - Mountain View - Sunnyvale etc. Job title is all over the place... So you'll need to do some scrubbing in order to get it to a useful state.
- dopamean 9y agoThis is really data from bootcamp grads (the top of the spreadsheet says so).
- ben174 9y agoThis is an important distinction. The salaries on this sheet seem low overall, and it's probably because they're new grads from bootcamp. Someone with 10+ years of experience should be demanding more than the average salary on this list.
- seanhandley 9y agoYou're kidding me. I'm in the UK, 10 years dev experience, BSc Computer Science. Every single salary in that list is higher than mine.
- chambo622 9y agoBased on talking to peers at my company who work in the UK, and corroborating stories from friends at similar companies, UK salaries are dramatically lower across the board.
- user5994461 9y agoA one bedroom is not $3000+ either.
- djmobley 9y agoA one bedroom in London is easily $2000 though, so that only explains $12k difference in salary.
- user5994461 9y agoDoesn't make sense to count in dollars. You are not paid in dollars in London. It's fluff talk about the exchange rate. It sure was more than $2000 last year when it was £1 for $1.5.
- moduspwnens14 9y agoDoesn't anonymous sourcing of data like this likely introduce some significant biases?
- ganoushoreilly 9y agoExtreme bias. As great as these salary's look from the big guys, it totally discredits the real salary ranges from the non big players. I also think it gives a false impression of salary when the truth is very few applicants would get the jobs listed at those rates.
- urda 9y agoNot to mention with something like salary folks tend to "inflate" and pump up their numbers. Just a quick browse through this, and the fact that it claims to be "bootcamp" grads, the data is really really skewed upward IMO.
- jordache 9y agoI would think anonymous contribution is likely to yield more truthful information.
- moduspwnens14 9y agoIt (by design) includes only people who self-select to share their compensation details. I would expect that to skew high, even if 100% truthful.
- jordache 9y agowhat self gratification does one get by boosting his/her salary when it's anonymized?
- moduspwnens14 9y agoI didn't argue they're likely to boost their salaries, or that they receive self gratification from doing so, so I'm not sure how to answer your question.
- overcast 9y agoHonestly was expecting a lot more, considering the salaries people throw around on Hacker News. Using http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savings/moving-cost-of-living-calculator.aspx http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savings/moving-cost-of-l... the adjusted value for $136,000 in SF to where I live in New York is a decent chunk less. Especially being in a DevOps/Systems role, and not a Software Dev one.
- ryandrake 9y agoEveryone on HN makes $200K+, drives a BMW and has a supermodel for a partner. Whenever salary comes up, there's always someone here who knows someone whose brother's girlfriend's room-mate makes $400K at Google, and therefore it's normal for a Software Engineer to make this much. The averages in this spreadsheet seem to agree roughly with average/median for the Bay Area as reported by Glassdoor[1] and Payscale[2]. 1: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/san-francisco-software-engineer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,13_IM759_KO14,31.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/san-francisco-software-en... 2: http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary/a5e48575/San-Francisco-CA http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Software_Engineer/Sa...
- ben_jones 9y agoThere is also a network affect where talking up people you perceive to be like yourself, i.e. software developers, entrepreneurs, silicon valley in general, makes oneself feel more important and respected. Like I would never admit that when I first came to the Bay Area I took an internship at a start-up paying $500 a month. That would just insinuate that I'm a poor engineer.
- overcast 9y agoWe're on to you Ben Jones!
- dsacco 9y ago> it's normal for a Software Engineer to make this much Yeah I wouldn't say "normal" (how should we quantify that?), but they do exist. Most engineers at Google, Facebook, etc. don't pass the senior level, and that's the last engineering rung everyone is expected to at least achieve. But if you do know staff or senior staff engineers at Google and Facebook working in NYC or SF, it is disproportionately likely that they are earning in excess of $300k/year between salary, bonus and stock grants. I know people like that directly, and I also know undergrads who are receiving between $120-$150k/year in coastal cities in total compensation offers amortized over four years. People probably aren't lying on Hacker News, the medium just lends itself to reporting bias. Large forums like this have enough participants that I'm not really surprised when 10 or so people come into a thread and claim to earn something like half a million per year. It looks outlandish but there is a vast swath of engineers who are just not speaking up; for the distribution, it's probably about right. It's not as if people are claiming these salaries as base compensation before bonus and stock.
- dessant 9y agoIt may be interesting to also list age, besides gender and race.
- Cheyana 9y agoWill we see one for female employees? Or would that be too expensive to compile?
- bdamm 9y agoThere's a variety of points that would be interesting to compile against. Sex, immigration status, school, company, developer experience, managerial experience, number of startups, number of relocations, average years in any one position, number of children, to think of a few.
- bdamm 9y agoNote that sex is already in the sheet.
- codeisart 9y agoWell. As a former Google female employee, I've learned that with 4 years Google experience and 10 years industry experience, I was making as much total comp as a person with about 1.5 years industry experience.
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- bungie4 9y agoThis makes me want to cry. I'm below all but one of these entries. 30 years experience + full stack + dba. All because of where I live (small northern ontario town -remotism?) and likley ageism (57). I should be getting paid MORE because of where I live.
- strictnein 9y agoWhy would your remote location with a lower cost of living(I'm assuming, at least for housing) mean you should make more?
- pyre 9y agoThe more remote the location, the higher the cost of non-housing things are. Shipping in groceries to Yellow Knife costs more than shipping groceries to Toronto, even though Toronto's housing prices are significantly more.
- Garfgon 9y agoGenerally people would rather live in a city, so companies offer higher pay and possibly other benefits like 2 weeks on/2 weeks off.
- ad_a 9y agoA lot of this is Silicon Valley. It probably translates to a lower standard of living than what you have.
- mahyarm 9y agoIt's because you live in Canada. Canadian devs get paid a lot less. $80k/yr CAD is typical for a sr dev there. I moved down to the USA for the big raise.
- mbrzuzy 9y agoWas it worth it with the huge increase in cost of living?
- timbuckley 9y agoThe vast majority of these are App Academy (a/A) programming bootcamp graduates, which explains why only 10% have CS degrees. Bootcamp graduates are probably not representative of all CS grads, or even most devs, so take this with a grain of salt.
- linkregister 9y agoIt looks like App Academy grads vastly out-earn their CS-degreed counterparts. I wonder if that is representative of App Academy. If so, that is impressive.
- timbuckley 9y agoApp Academy is extremely selective (less than 3%). Also there is probably sample bias, since these are all self-reported.
- linkregister 9y agoSo App Academy is fulfilling the selection process that companies really want? Sounds like a cheaper way to a $150k salary than spending 4 years at a top CS university or MBA program.
- timbuckley 9y agoIndeed. I'm a graduate (3+ years ago). Best thing I ever did.
- KirinDave 9y agoWow! Plot this and visually analyze this. Flip out. Even discarding the most intense outliers, there's essentially no logic to comp in these numbers. People keep telling me they don't want to unionize. But you look at data like this and go, "Wow, what the hell is even going on."
- inetknght 9y agoSalaries without location is does little useful; I would argue it harms more than it helps anyone.
- strictnein 9y agoAlmost all of them have the location.
- bussierem 9y agoAll except one of these has an associated location, and that 1 lists "Facebook" as the company, so a location can be assumed. Not sure what you meant by this comment.
- multibit 9y agoHow are all these engineers with 0-2 years experience making 100k+ ??
- marcell 9y ago1. These salaries are for Bootcamp graduates, which means they'll be lower than someone with 5 years experience in programming. 2. These salaries are likely for the Bay Area, where a 1br apartment can cost you $3k+, and your tax rate will be 35% (state + federal). It's not comparable to places with lower tax rates and lower cost of living.
- dna_polymerase 9y agoBackground and location are listed. Not all are SF, not all are Bootcamp.
- throwaway2016a 9y agoLocation does make a huge difference. I make $110,000 as a CTO with 20 years experience but if you calculate for cost of living differences that is $164,162 in San Fransisco. Although I'm probable still underpaid if #1 is true... some of these salaries are approaching that.
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- Cyclone_ 9y ago$110K as a CTO does seem low to me. Do you mind if I ask where you live?
- daxorid 9y agoI earn far less than that, as CTO of a Southern California e-commerce company. The salaries in this spreadsheet seem incredibly high for one year of experience.
- emperorcezar 9y agoYou're being screwed over unless your other compensation is high. In the mid-west a good Senior engineer can pull in 100k.
- JDiculous 9y agoWay too much of a hard salary cap on $150k in this industry. It'd be interesting to see a graph of how much additional compensation every additional year of experience gets you. Also, how do I sort this dataset by column (eg. salary)?
- GolDDranks 9y agoIs it only me or aren't these wages crazy high for people with only 0-2 years of experience? I started as a fresh software engineer in Tokyo this year, and I'm making around $37k a year. I think that newbies earn about that much in Helsinki, Finland, too, where I'm originally from.
- vhhhggv 9y agoMy understanding is that Japanese salaries are extremely low compared to just about everywhere else, except southern Europe (Portugal, Spain). Is this correct?
- mi100hael 9y agoCalifornia is financial fairy tale land in every way. Wages, taxes, real estate, and cost of living are all crazy high.
- GolDDranks 9y agoHow strong financial "gradients" there are around the Bay area? Do people try to come up with all kinds of remote work scenarios etc. to be able to earn the same wages without having to pay for living there? How do people who are not software engineers, manage? Are all wages high?
- niftich 9y ago> How do people who are not software engineers, manage? With great difficulty [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8]. [1] http://www.newgeography.com/content/005501-the-demographics-poverty-santa-clara-county http://www.newgeography.com/content/005501-the-demographics-... [2] https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/11/03/east-palo-alto-philanthropy-facebook-silicon-valley/16244117/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/11/03/east-palo-alt... [3] http://www.businessinsider.com/silicon-valleys-prosperity-paradox-explained-2016-12 http://www.businessinsider.com/silicon-valleys-prosperity-pa... [4] http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2015/03/opinion/ctl-child-poverty/#0 http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2015/03/opinion/ctl-child-pov... [5] https://newrepublic.com/article/124476/dispossessed-land-dreams https://newrepublic.com/article/124476/dispossessed-land-dre... [6] https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/02/the-place-where-the-poor-once-thrived/470667/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/02/the-pla... [7] https://www.thenation.com/article/bridging-silicon-valleys-wealth-gap/ https://www.thenation.com/article/bridging-silicon-valleys-w... [8] http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/25/news/economy/middle-class-silicon-valley/ http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/25/news/economy/middle-class-si...
- RodericDay 9y agoPardon my ignorance of the google ecosystem but... how can I download this spreadsheet?
- komali2 9y agoFile -> Download As -> {{whatever you want to download as}}
- RodericDay 9y agoI don't have a menu at all. Other comment worked though, thanks!
- no_news_is 9y agoI was waiting for an answer to your comment, but I figured it out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JR4KrVH1dygniLiLFAMTvdSp5gGLVKKkOxBYiPQagvE/export?format=xlsx&id=1JR4KrVH1dygniLiLFAMTvdSp5gGLVKKkOxBYiPQagvE https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JR4KrVH1dygniLiLFAMT... Choices for format are: xlsx ods zip (Web page .html, zipped) csv tsv (tab-separated values) pdf Copy & paste appears to work fairly well, too.
- mahyarm 9y agoI would add a 'company is public' column to this spreadsheet. Even if you don't disclose the company, you can at least say if you can sell your equity easily ;)
- negrit 9y agoShameless plug but I made a website to search through almost 7 millions salaries from 2000 to 2015(I'm currently working on getting more recent data). http://www.jobsintech.io/visas http://www.jobsintech.io/visas Unfortunately its only salaries of foreigners.
- linkregister 9y agoI like your website. It has more features than h1bdata.info, my normal go-to for salary comparison.
- CryoLogic 9y agoHmm, interesting. I know software engineers with 10-20 years of experience in Seattle making roughly the same amounts at the same companies. Is it a selection bias, or are California comp packages really that much higher than Seattle? (for entry level)
- bcassedy 9y agoBay area has higher cost of living and Washington has no state income tax. But yes, Bay Area comp packages are higher in raw numbers than those in Seattle.
- eddd 9y agoMake over 100k, spent most of it on housing.
- randomdata 9y ago> Software Developer | Salary: $62,757.0 | Total comp: $80,000 Found the Canadian. I wonder if these are all in USD or local currency?
- throwaway2016a 9y agoIf this spreadsheet shows me one thing it is that people need education on stock options. Several people put their number of stock options in the additional compensation field... which as many of you know is an absolute meaningless number.
- Zaheer 9y agoAlong these lines though not completely ready for launch yet, been working on a simple site for comparing title levels across companies. Salary data is more useful when contextualized across level / experience. See: http://www.levels.fyi http://www.levels.fyi
- learc83 9y agoLook at the company names, I'm not buying this for graduates of a 12 week bootcamp. Either this bootcamp is very selective in who they admit, or they are very selective in which salaries they show. The only way you're passing multiple rounds of interviews at google/facebook/big name sv company after 12 weeks of study is if you already had a significant knowledge base before hand, you're some kind of algorithms savant, or you got incredibly lucky.
- superplussed 9y agoI'm not buying it either. I think some people are trying to inflate the perceived value of the bootcamps.
- poikniok 9y agoSo how much do you think bootcamp grads who go to Google make total comp?
- tannhauser23 9y agoThree people from my bootcamp cohort ended up at Google. They had math/science background, but not CS. I know other people from my bootcamp who got to Google after year or two of working at other companies. It happens.
- learc83 9y agoMath degree and incredibly smart + 12 weeks of doing nothing but interview prep--i can maybe buy that. I still think it's much more likely that someone with a math background already had some exposure to programming. As for someone with a science background and no exposure to CS/programming, I'm calling bullshit. Either they had some prior experience, or they got incredibly lucky in an interview. I've taught in a code boot camp, and tutored in college. 12 weeks is enough time to teach a smart person how to plug libraries together to make some stuff. 12 weeks is nowhere near enough time to teach a complete novice enough CS fundamentals to pass a Google interview.
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- gigatexal 9y agoSalaries should not be secret. They don't have to be open to tying someone to a particular salary but I think there should be some law that mandates a greater transparency here. If economics taught me anything it's that the worst decisions are made when someone else has more information than you
- Element_ 9y agoFor comparison see average Police and Firefighter salaries in California: http://www.sacbee.com/site-services/databases/article2573210.html http://www.sacbee.com/site-services/databases/article2573210... A police lieutenant in Mountain View averages 198k
- linkregister 9y agoWow, I'm in the wrong industry. I could be walking Castro Street on this sunny day, breaking up fistfights over which is the superior text editor; handing out speeding tickets to Teslas, McLarens, and Lamborghinis; giving parking tickets to exotic cars spilling all over the street for the latest open house. All for way more money than almost everyone I know is making. Not bad at all.
- heipei 9y agoThese numbers are interesting, but could non-US folks please stop crying about the crazy high absolute numbers before doing some basic math and adjusting for other metrics besides total salary? I always use Numbeo (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/ https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/) to compare cost of living, and quite often find that I would need to double my salary to have the same standard of living in SV or NYC, which would put me right in the middle of this list. But, and that's the bigger point here, this does not factor in that I could never live in places like the Valley, or work at some of the places on this list without being unhappy most of the time. I know this sounds harsh towards some folks here, but if you're happy where you currently are please do the math and really be honest to yourself about your priorities. Often you'll find that the grass isn't greener on the other side...
- twic 9y ago> These numbers are interesting, but could non-US folks please stop crying about the crazy high absolute numbers before doing some basic math and adjusting for other metrics besides total salary? Quite a few of us non-US folks are in London, which is only 13% cheaper than San Francisco, so we will continue crying, thank you very much.
- simon83 9y agoAnd here I am, living in Germany and getting told that asking for 60,000€ p.a. as a software engineer with 11 years working experience is waaay too much for most companies. Only the big ones like Bosch, Porsche, Daimler (all non-IT companies) and a few other exceptions will pay enough for a sustainable life. At the same time we hear about regular reports about "shortage of skilled professionals" here in Germany, it's laughable, it's because no one wants to pay enough money, because cheap students are good enough. And I have to clean up their mess...
- geodel 9y agoBut Germany has great public transport, excellent beers, free/close to free healthcare and liberal icon like Angela Merkel. That is all good hackers/developers care about.
- emperorcezar 9y agoThere is a lot to be said for a safety net. A lot of times it does mean that you don't need as much money to survive in the long run.
- simon83 9y agoThat is all true, but the thing is that most of the developers I know are single and have lots of time on their hands. Some of them literally play computer games only in their spare time. I decided I want to have kids and so I have a family now, and I can tell you having even just 1 kid is expensive enough. Me and my wife we both work full time, only to have enough spare money at the end of the month to put aside, just so we can believe this money will be worth something in 30 years or so (I don't believe it). And we are not living an extraordinary/luxury life. I'm not materialistic, and I only care about money because I need it to keep me and my family alive. Germany is quite expensive in that regard compared to the average salary.
- mlent 9y agoWhat area of software development are you in?
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- linkregister 9y agoThese seem higher than most of my colleagues straight out of very reputable CS degree programs. This doesn't make much sense since it appears most of these a/A (App Academy) finishers don't have relevant work experience and degrees. It looks like App Academy really helps its participants negotiate salary and interview well. A few people have fairly senior titles. The reason for that isn't apparent.
- dsacco 9y agoIf you don't mind me asking for more detail, where are your colleagues getting offers from, and what kind of offers are they actually getting?
- linkregister 9y agoThe same cohort of companies in this form. State schools averaging below $100k. Prestigious private and fancy public (UC system) averaging $115k, for new grads. SF Bay Area.
- superplussed 9y agoYeah, the senior titles for people with 1 or 1.5 years out of bootcamp don't make any sense at all, and cast doubt on the validity of the data. Come on, we've all worked with smart people that are a year or two in to being a developer, and you can't label them "senior" no matter how smart they are. Is it possible that someone from one or more bootcamps is fluffing the data, knowing that it will get posted on HN?
- morgtheborg 9y agoEh, if you're one of the few devs at a startup it's easy to get a "senior" title. It comes down to responsibility. Now whether any sane startup should be HIRING as one of their primary devs a recent grad is another question entirely.
- komali2 9y agoWow, totally editable. I'm completely shocked this hasn't just been replaced by a picture of a penis yet.
- dpeck 9y agoa disturbingly accurate observation about the internet.
- kayoone 9y agoSenior dev salary in Berlin is 60-80k EUR, >40% taxes. Compared to SF and London, rents are still cheap though. 2BR can be had for 700-1000 depending on quality and location. I saw a post from Buffer where 60k in Berlin equal 120-130k in SF or NY, not sure if that is true.
- itburnslikeice 9y agopossibly very true, but I believe that worked in X for 5-8y will pretty much gonna make wonders in the future positions that you will find.
- buttholesurfer 9y agoHahah, line 139...
- kzisme 9y agoWhat determines if a person receives a signing bonus and the amount normally? Some received none while others with less experience received more...?
- mlent 9y agoWho here has actually interviewed Bootcamp graduates? I've had people who didn't know the difference between an object and an array, and people who had to comment their way through implementing a function that replicates "filter" in javascript. I really don't buy it that people straight out of Bootcamp can land a job at any of these companies at such salaries. You need a lot more background knowledge before that. Or is this a case of survivor bias, where these are the salaries of only the most qualified graduates who had a ton of background knowledge before going in? I don't see it.
- morgtheborg 9y ago> I've had people who didn't know the difference between an object and an array, and people who had to comment their way through implementing a function that replicates "filter" in javascript. I don't know a single person from my cohort who fits that description...and we aren't the most selective bootcamp by far.
- mlent 9y agoYeah, I was also shocked that you can graduate a bootcamp without understanding that. But I watched candidates building a React app with Redux and literally not understanding, when you ask them to declare an array, what you even mean by that...
- flytrap 9y agoThe assumption of survivor bias is fair enough -- you won't see people here who didn't make it through the program, who didn't find a job at all, or who ended up with a lower-than-average salary they'd rather not talk about. This is also from arguably the best bootcamp in the business. I can attest to all of my classmates in this program knowing the difference between an object and an array. This isn't representative of the whole indusry.
- orthoganol 9y agoBootcamp marketing methinks? I have never met a recent bootcamp grad who seemed even remotely qualified to work at Google as a SWE. Just don't buy it (keep in mind none of them had CS degrees or worked in industry before). I'd love to be proven wrong, in a verifiable way.
- timbuckley 9y agoPeople on LinkedIn who have gone to App Academy who currently or previously work at Google: https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/people/?facetCurrentCompany=%5B%221441%22%5D&keywords=App%20Academy&origin=FACETED_SEARCH&school=App%20Academy https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/people/?facetCurrent...
- countryqt30 9y agoWhat exactly IS a "bootcamp graduate?"
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- smsm42 9y agoCan't sort the table, and copy the whole document (though copy-paste of individual cells works). Is it Google's fault or is it published in a wrong way?
- markfer 9y agoHey all, I actually work at App Academy in the admissions department. Happened to see this while at work. These numbers are very much in-line with our graduate history ($105k average in SF, $89k in NY). Seems like there is a decent amount of skepticism in this thread, but feel free to ask me anything!
- ForHackernews 9y agoRelated: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14536254 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14536254
- 20years 9y agoFrom this it appears as though a full stack developer makes about the same or just a little more than a front end or back end developer. Wonder why this is. I would expect a full stack developer to make at least 1.5x of a FE or BE being that they are working in both among other things.
- nloa 9y agoAs a backend developer living in Germany, these salaries make me want to work remotely, for a US based company. I only make 40k, with several years of experience. Does someone here have experience with with working remotely from Germany?
- sbozhko 9y agoThis might be an interesting sheet to add to this service https://spreadshare.co https://spreadshare.co? Here is another one regarding salaries in engineering https://spreadshare.co/spreadsheet/salaries-of-engineers https://spreadshare.co/spreadsheet/salaries-of-engineers
- lightninglu10 9y agoI don't know if this has been said yet, but this probably has heavy response bias. If you're a bootcamp grad making 70k per year, you probably won't report it. The top 5-10 kids from each bootcamp per year probably make these high salaries. It's been years so there's a ton of them around. The others probably aren't making something this high.