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I think the Duo looks great. And from the few hands on video I have seen I think the Apple presentation actually doesn't do it justice. There is no crease at al
by ksec 7d ago
I think the Duo looks great. And from the few hands on video I have seen I think the Apple presentation actually doesn't do it justice. There is no crease at all! [1]
On the note on this year's keynote. I can't be the only one who feels the whole vibe of the keynote changed. This isn't Tim Cook style keynote and John Ternus wasted no time to try and changed a few things already. I can't wait for John to further shake things up at Apple. But everything so far, all the small minor details suggest they are in the right direction.
[1] https://x.com/mweinbach/status/2097753099159138631?s=46 https://x.com/mweinbach/status/2097753099159138631?s=46
- callumprentice 7d agoAgreed. I am excited to see what changes appear. I did enjoy the "One more thing" + smirk bit too.
- hatsunearu 7d agoThe crease appears after months of use on other phones, so I'm curious what it would look like after a little bit of wear.
- testfrequency 7d agoBased on rumours Samsung finally cracked the secret on removing creases…iPhone is just the latest model on the market with the technology from them. That said..I believe I’ve also seen some Chinese models ready claim this.
- kasabali 7d ago> Based on rumours Samsung finally cracked the secret on removing creases… That's every year since it's introduction
- zimpenfish 7d agoYeah, I'm interested but I'll definitely give it a year or two for other people to discover any durability problems before committing (plus it's missing a lens option compared to the 18 Pro but that's a minor quibble.)
- esskay 7d agoGotta hold something back for next years magical update!
- moffkalast 7d agoIt does make me wonder if the era of foldable phones is finally here. Apple probably wouldn't bother making one if the tech wasn't there yet, despite the questionable experimentals others have been peddling for years now. Or it's a sign of Apple dropping their standards perhaps.
- TheDong 7d agoI guess the apple making Vision Pro shows that VR tech is here? Apple isn't omnipotent, they have misses too.
- StilesCrisis 7d agoI mean, their implementation was the best in the industry. The tech wasn't what held it back.
- stouset 7d agoI would argue that the tech being top notch doesn’t mean it isn’t what’s holding it back. The tech just isn’t there yet. Apple tends to wait until it is.
- chrischen 7d agoApple tv was a miss as well for like 4 generations.
- nomel 7d agoZ fold 8 comes slightly creased out of box, and creases within a week [1]. My 7 was significantly creased out of the box! [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ8SH1RvYyc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ8SH1RvYyc
- ShinyLeftPad 7d agoMonths is a long time. You're supposed to return your iphone to apple and get a newer one as per your subscription.
- sexy_seedbox 7d agoPlanned Obsolescence strikes again!
- magicalist 7d ago> There is no crease at all! Like first reply he literally says > There is sorta one at some slight angles but basically no crease And someone replied with a picture of it showing the crease. It's probably fine and you don't notice it during use, but it's not some magic creaseless breakthrough.
- qlte 7d agoThat's how it is on my Z Fold 8, I can really only see it with the screen off.
- Rebelgecko 7d agoSomewhere between the 5 and 7 the crease was drastically reduced (except on mine, because the screen protector is delaminating)
- felixfurtak 7d agoyeah, don't put a screen protector on the inner screen
- a_t48 7d agoWith my wife's folding Razor, there's a factory applied screen protector.
- abustamam 7d agoZ Folds come with a factory applied screen protector too, which i assume i was gp was talking about.
- madeofpalk 7d agoIs the factory applied screen protector user replaceable? Or is it a screen protector in the same way that the glass is 'screen protector'? It's just a part of the assembly?
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- shepherdjerred 7d agoI loved the handoff that Tim did at the beginning. It was touching
- saberience 7d agoPersonally I think it looks both incredibly ugly and also really non ergonomic. I can’t see it being comfortable to hold and type on at all. I predict the form factor will be gone within two years.
- fragmede 7d agoGiven that it's basically an iPad at that size, and those have been around for 16 years, I wouldn't be so sure about that.
- abustamam 7d agoI have a Samsung Z Fold 7. The stock keyboard is split so it's a bit more comfortable to type on with my thumbs. Granted, this phone is the square form factor and not the wide version but I think the concept stays. My iPad from 2018 still has a full width keyboard so I have to hunt and peck which is annoying. I would hope that apple designs this better for the iPhone duo.
- theshackleford 7d ago> I predict the form factor will be gone within two years. I predict you will be wrong.
- xmlninja 7d agoThis esim handoff is interesting. Why don't MacBook pros have modem and esim and work even more seamlessly between iPhone and MacBook? - Because operators wants to charge you for separate subscriptions Many office workers gets some MacBook and iPhone by their employees. Do they actually need both if the employer can just hand them something like a duo which transforms to a desktop computer via usb-c cable? Ive said for years there is nothing technical hindering an iPhone to become a something that looks like macOS when connected to large display, its just ui transformation. But then, apple can't sell you an iPhone, an iPad and a MacBook. This is why they don't go this route I think, and this is maybe the hinder that something like the iPhone duo won't reach the full potential it could have.
- matsemann 7d agoDisagree on it looking great. It doesn't look like an Apple product. It looks geeky and clumsy. Which I personally don't mind, but absolutely not the sleek one is used to from Apple.
- londons_explore 7d agothe core problem seems to be you can't make something that fold in half, yet has 4 curved corners both when folded and unfolded.
- mns 7d agoI agree on that, just like the iPhone Air, feel more like clumsy Samsung phones, seems there are a lot of compromises.
- tiltowait 7d agoAt $2000, I'm not going to be an early adopter this time around. I'm concerned about screen crease/debris ingress, and I'll want to see user reports on how useful it ends up being. That said, I'm much more intrigued than I expected to be, to the point that I found myself thinking "maybe ...". Kudos to the team. The fold/unfold transitions are really slick, and I like what they've done with the extra side space.
- Quibblingeek 7d agoI really do love the idea. It just comes down to the idea that a cell phone shouldn’t cost as much as a run down, but serviceable used car used to cost in a world where inflation hasn’t run rampant. The solution, of course, is the idea of leverage. 12 easy installments, or just lease it bro which apparently we’re doing now..for cell phones. But this solution isn’t sustainable. I’d have rather Apple not brought it to market it at all.
- toasty228 7d agoOf course there is a crease https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1wbx1wo/there_is_a_crease/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1wbx1wo/there_is_a_cr...
- mathisfun123 7d agovery visible with a dark/black image https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2d-Mgaw9kXY https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2d-Mgaw9kXY
- spartanatreyu 7d ago> I think the Duo looks great. I could not disagree more. There are 3 ways to fold a phone: 1) The trifold: A phone that folds out into a tablet. (e.g. https://consumer.huawei.com/my/phones/mate-xt-ultimate-design/ https://consumer.huawei.com/my/phones/mate-xt-ultimate-desig...) 2) The clam shell: a phone that folds down into a more compact form. (e.g. https://www.jbhifi.com.au/products/samsung-galaxy-z-flip8-5g-256gb-pink https://www.jbhifi.com.au/products/samsung-galaxy-z-flip8-5g...) 3) The book: an awkwardly squashed phone that folds out into two awkwardly squashed phones taped together. (e.g. https://news.microsoft.com/surfaceduo/ https://news.microsoft.com/surfaceduo/) The trifold fits in your pocket. The clamshell fits in small pockets (making it popular for women). The book in a pocket is just uncomfortable (assuming it fits in at all). They looked at all the folding phone formats and went with the worst possible one: the one that you can't fit in your pocket comfortably. Further more, they looked at the worst book fold and decided to associate themselves with it by stealing its name, The S̶u̶r̶f̶a̶c̶e̶ Apple Duo: https://news.microsoft.com/surfaceduo/ https://news.microsoft.com/surfaceduo/ -------------------- Apple releasing this is exactly what it looks like when there's no one helming the wheel.
- ngcazz 7d agofwiw, Apple had a PowerBook Duo line in the mid 90s, so maybe that's the reference
- WesolyKubeczek 7d agoA proper PowerBook Duo of modern day would be a 32" iMac-like monstrosity with a big ass slot (opening on the right) into which you slide the whole MacBook Pro, and a whole lot of ports in the back. The MBP attaches by its thunderbolt ports and magsafe in the back of the slot. Obviously, if you have macbooks of different sizes, you would need to buy separate duos for each size. MacBook Air might have a 27" dock, incompatible with the rest.
- WesolyKubeczek 6d agoNow that I'm thinking about it, it could be a darn nice docking station.
- krisroadruck 7d agoI'd wait before believing no crease. My Z Fold 8 had basically no crease for the first week, after it has a slight crease that hasn't seemed to get any worse in the 3 weeks since. It's only noticeable in dark room with dramatic down lighting at certain angles, or when display is off, but it IS there. There has been some talk of Samsung actually having a better anti-crease solution than they opted to include in the z fold 8. Apparently their display division and mobile division are pretty separate and mobile only gets what they are willing to "pay for". It's possible apple ponied up for the better tech where Samsung mobile did not this year. But I'd still want to wait until people have had the thing for a few weeks and put it through it's paces before I believe any "no crease" claims.
- crooked-v 7d agoI would wait until there's a display model at an Apple Store, then give it a week while it goes through approximately a bajillion fold/unfold cycles, then see what the crease looks like.
- Tempest1981 7d agoAssuming they don't swap it out every night/week. Speaking of which, when will it be in the stores to play with?
- radicaldreamer 7d agoLikely on launch day next month (October 23). Apple doesn't do display units until the day of the launch.
- mister_mort 7d agoThe general public is always better at destructive testing than a machine built for that purpose.
- fragmede 6d agoBased on what? We only know the failures the machine didn't find, not the failures the machine found and the manufacturer fixed before release.
- pazimzadeh 7d agoI don't think the vibe significantly shifted in a positive way. It seemed like it was going to with Ternus' opening statements, but then it was back to the same vibe. Hard to put into words, but kind of a droning boring safe microsoft-y vibe. Craig Federighi brought more energy for his segment but he sounded almost sarcastic at times. John Srouji is a breath of fresh air. I liked Dr. Desai's vibe in the health section more than the average segment. A real vibe shift might not even be possible if they don't bring back in-person live presentations. Can't believe they flew all these people in to play them a video. Though seeing how John Ternus' hands were shaking during his demo with ishowspeed, I don't know if they have it in them to go back to live presentations. And what was the surprise in "surprise and shine" anyway? The name of it?
- inatreecrown2 7d agoIt feels like Apple is a company on autopilot, a well oiled money making machine, nothing else.
- brookst 7d agoRemind me if AVP is proof that they have no creative spark or proof that they only do boring stuff that will sell 20m units?
- Melatonic 7d agoThe AVP I thought looked like amazing hardware. It was just bizarre they didn't also go all in on making it useable for gaming.
- lbourdages 7d agoThey failed to come up with a strong selling point. Health is the big seller for Apple Watch. But AVP, at its price point, needs something better than "well you can watch movies on a big screen or work in a café while looking silly".
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- mrheosuper 7d agoThere is still crease, noticeable in dark scene. Basically Apple does what Chinese has done so far, 3d print a buffer to ease the crease. Oppo find n5, afaict, is the first one to do that.
- JoBrad 7d agoThis Reddit thread shows a slight “bend”[1]. I’m distinguishing between an intentional allowance for bending vs a deformation that shows up later due to folding. But this is obviously splitting hairs because whatever we want to call it, the thing people don’t like about folding phones is the bend in the display where the fold occurs. And it looks like the Duo has that. Maybe the optical and technical tricks Apple has thrown at the problem will make the slight bend so inconspicuous as to be a non-issue. To me, telling that story is more impressive than claiming it doesn’t exist. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/s/URdlaUpIrH https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/s/URdlaUpIrH
- mohaine 7d agoI would be more worried about the weird white stuff squeezing out of the lower right of the screen.
- qmr 7d ago> There is no crease at all! Put down the kool aid mate. https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/1wc3ei0/iphone_duo_the_crease_is_visible_just_enough_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/1wc3ei0/...
- whatsThisBtn4 7d agoWhat's the name for this? Apple distortion field or something? Since we can't mention Apple marketing making comments on hacker news, let's say they are on Reddit. :D
- qmr 7d agoReality distortion field, yea. Haven't heard that one for awhile. We can't mention that?
- whatsThisBtn4 7d agoYou cannot mention astroturfing on hacker news.
- Maken 7d agoIt's just marketing.
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- ulfw 7d agoIt was even more American over the top Marketing which really doesn't work well in the rest of world. We laughed out loud when they claimed "the controls on the side let you celebrate your pictures on your lockscreen more" Yea it's nice we can put whatever picture on a phone's lockscreen. It really is. Every phone does that. Not once have I CELEBRATED my picture tho. Open a bottle of champagne anyone?
- drstewart 7d ago>Open a bottle of champagne anyone? Over the top European celebration that doesn't translate to the rest of the world. Especially countries in the Middle East that don't drink.
- 72deluxe 7d agoI think it's always been the way they talk. When they were introducing Apple News, they were talking as if the fonts and colours were something absolutely revolutionary and talking about the "beautiful typography" and breathtaking style, when in fact it is just a web page. I think it's a cultural thing to promote everything as absolutely amazing and astounding. Just being "good" is never enough, and it's wearying.
- ulfw 6d agoI get that but the sheer ridiculousness of a total non-feature (moving the torch/flashlight icon from the left to the right, which takes 2 seconds to "develop") selling as some kind of accomplishment is bad enough. Telling me this will allow me to "celebrate my picture" was so stupid I couldn't even bother listening to the rest of the sales pitch Don't charge me 2000-3800$ and insult my intelligence with stuff like this
- jorisw 7d agoMe and my friends were naively hoping Ternus would switch back to the Jobs era format, or at least dial down from today’s. We all hate the over acted, over produced keynote format of today
- Anonasty 7d agoTo be fair, my Fold 8 didn't have crease either when new month ago. Now the crease is increasing when most of the use is on the cover screen. I notice that when I open the fold, there is noticeable crease but if I read or watch something for longer time, the crease levels and goes more invisible.
- fbn79 7d agoNo crease at all! Sure. [1] [1] https://shorturl.at/JLmNa https://shorturl.at/JLmNa
- xcafebabe 7d agobut it's weird how the phone is square when it's folded, i don't see any ergonomics in using a square phone...
- latexr 7d ago> I think the Duo looks great. To each their own. Personally, I find it horrendous. It’s by far the ugliest iPhone i’ve seen, possibly the ugliest Apple device ever. But then again, paraphrasing The Dude¹ “that’s just like, uh, my opinion, man”. The last time I liked an iPhone (I still use them) was the original SE. I loathe the camera bump; I’d gladly take a worse camera (and cheaper phone) to not have that. ¹ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LGX8TbvGew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LGX8TbvGew
- stasomatic 6d agoIt isn't to me, kind of revolting, physically. Very off putting, likely because of asymmetry when shut closed, but that's not an Apple problem, they all look obnoxious to me. The tech is cool. I do want an iPhone and iPad mini in one, it's that this doesn't do it for me, I expected to be floored :) Is there a way to do it differently without making it look strange? Perhaps using a different kind of hinge so that the primary screen slides out to a side?
- edm0nd 6d agothere is 100% a visible crease still. do not be a fool or apple marketing shill peddling false claims.