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I am amazed at people's willingness to use Grok. The company is so transparently morally bankrupt. They're the only AI company that seems okay with CSAM (or at
by zactato 2mo ago
I am amazed at people's willingness to use Grok. The company is so transparently morally bankrupt. They're the only AI company that seems okay with CSAM (or at least don't do as much to stop it)
Why give them money?
It would be one thing if they were the only game in town but thats definitely not the case.
- ransom1538 2mo ago[flagged]
- Ar-Curunir 2mo agoCompetition is good, but this company and its owner have not demonstrated anything to indicate that they would make for good competition, neither economically nor morally. Also, yes, a company whose products produce CSAM is just morally bad. There's no nuance to be had there.
- scubbo 2mo ago> Yes. We only need one AI company. Max two. Good idea. Nothing in the original comment suggested that fewer AI companies was inherently a good thing - just that this _particular_ AI company is a bad one. > Deciding who is more moral has a great history. I think you're being sarcastic, but, uhhh...are you honestly advocating for the converse, of making no judgements based on morals?
- fourside 2mo agoWe have three major foundational models not including Grok. When the defense for a company is basically “yeah they host csam in the platform but is that really worse than the others” you’ve really lost the plot
- bigyabai 2mo agoxAI's (unused) dedicated compute is being sold for Anthropic's inference. xAI isn't a frontier company, and their fate is already being decided by the two hegemons.
- crummy 2mo agoI am inclined to agree but grok 4.5 seems to be almost SOTA. They could be frontier soon.
- tapoxi 2mo agoPlenty of competitive open weight models
- brokencode 2mo agoGrok has a serious credibility problem due to Elon’s decisions and personal insanity. Will it ever recover? Maybe. But it’s got an uphill battle even compared to the Chinese models, and that’s saying something.
- mrits 2mo agoWait until you find out who owns the other models
- brokencode 2mo agoDid they kill hundreds of thousands of poor people by shutting down USAID too?
- TurdF3rguson 2mo agoThey've only been billionaires for a couple years. These things take time.
- behnamoh 2mo agoI'm curious, is this true or something you heard from MSM and regurgitated?
- brokencode 2mo agoAs opposed to what? Going down to Africa to count the bodies myself? Of course I read about it in the media. And there are articles from Harvard, UCLA, and others that say the same thing
- grosswait 2mo agoFormer beneficiaries of USAID funds created some studies you say?
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- dbbk 2mo agoWe could just not have AI models that generate CSAM I don't think that's too much to ask
- NelsonMinar 2mo agoPeople give them money because of the moral stance. They are either actively fine with the CSAM or just don't care.
- scarab92 2mo agoGive me an alternative that isn’t trying to shove left wing ideology down my throat and I’ll use that. So far, only xAI makes any attempt to be neutral in its answers.
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- 7tflutter7 2mo agoall ai models can be jailbroken. The chinese open source ones above all.
- NelsonMinar 2mo agoGrok is many things but it is not "neutral". https://www.economist.com/briefing/2026/06/25/ai-models-values-are-very-different-from-most-peoples https://www.economist.com/briefing/2026/06/25/ai-models-valu...
- scarab92 2mo agoMost of us don’t have economist subscriptions. Maybe you can just tell us what you mean by not neutral? I find Grok to be far more academically honest than the other models. The other models seem to be much more aligned with public opinion over academic consensus especially on topics around economics and biology. I find public opinion on these topics to be very group think populist and prefer the academic take that grok provides
- inigyou 2mo agoWell it did call itself MechaHitler, start talking about a supposed white genocide that's happening, and generate metric fucktons of child porn.
- resonious 2mo agoI think the moralities of all the big heads in AI are questionable. The training corpus is largely stolen, and they are all in inescapable debt but keep going. But at this point, their products are so useful that almost nobody is willing to sit back and wait for a "morally acceptable" LLM to come around (which would inevitably be inferior). I can't comment on CSAM though - if X.ai really is "okay" with it then I'll agree with you that they're more immoral than the others.
- throwaway_10948 2mo agoI used to question myself strongly about using Grok or any product with questionable morals. Then I realized that: 1. I just bought a house, using a bunch of SWE-salary money. 2. I moved into SF several years ago, probably contributing to the gentrification 3. Thousands of children in China had no financial means for education, yet I did nothing So I used Grok, donated quite a lot of money at the annoyance of my family to an NGO in China, and decided not to donate to SF non-profits due to me still having a mortgage and I am still kinda selfish. The message I want to spread is that we should take a practical stance to morals and doing good. I like Grok for many things; it is morally good to boycott it, and in my opinion there are many other morally good things we can also do while staying practical
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- Hadriel 2mo agoA lot of people don't care, dont even know about the moral issues - like everyone is in their own bubble and yours is a small one too
- nsonha 2mo ago> okay with CSAM based on what? I tried and it could not even generate adult nudity. Earlier Grok Image was poorly censored but now they have their filters in place.
- Cthulhu_ 2mo agoYou tried = anecdotal, it's still happening, their response was slow, and it shouldn't have been possible to begin with. https://www.wired.com/story/grok-is-still-hosting-sexualized-deepfakes-of-famous-women/ https://www.wired.com/story/grok-is-still-hosting-sexualized... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok_sexual_deepfake_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok_sexual_deepfake_scandal
- nsonha 2mo agothis was a year ago (which is a long time in llm timeline), when they've just launched Grok, which I acknowledge in my comment. There is any evidence or investigation of it happening today?
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- brigandish 2mo agoIs Signal morally bankrupt for resisting the UK government's onboard scanning for CSAM?
- satvikpendem 2mo agoAs long as it's good at coding, who cares? Anthropic are far more shady.
- w4yai 2mo agoYou don't get any social whiteknighting points by spitting on Dario's company vs Elon's company.
- thrance 2mo agoVice signalling? Like buying a Tesla in 2026, when competitors are better and cheaper in every conceivable way. They want to support the sigheiling drug addict moron.
- highmastdon 2mo ago1. intelligence to token-use ratio is much better than the frontier models 2. hallucination rate is MUCH lower than OpenAI, Google and Deepseek models 3. the cost for output tokens is much lower than Anthropic models while near same intelligence and task completion 4. task completion time and success is on par with Opus 4.8 Max, but 3.5x less time used Especially 2. you're probably more willing to allow OpenAI to bankrupt your morality, than face the facts of the model itself Overall, Grok models are more factual and less politically influenced than OpenAI ones.
- logicalappeals 2mo agoThis comment belongs on Reddit. Please leave HN
- peab 2mo agoWhere are you getting that from, that they're ok with CSAM? I think they've been clear that they want to follow the law. Every image gen provider struggles with this. I worked for an image gen app years before it became popular (Wombo dream) - it's a hard problem to solve, there are sick people out there.
- dana-s 2mo agoI believe it's from the reported usage of it to undress children(making realistic images that are pretty much CSAM or CSAM-like), which was allowed in the public version of grok and seen in twitter, now it's behind grok pro but still able to generate such. That's from memory so some aspects may be wrong.
- dimgl 2mo ago> They're the only AI company that seems okay with CSAM (or at least don't do as much to stop it) Wait, what? In the X and Grok terms of service it's pretty clear this is prohibited. Where are you getting this?
- wongarsu 2mo agoPart of Grok's value is having fewer guard rails. That's genuinely useful. Having fewer guard rails also enables bad actors to do things I don't like. That seems like an unavoidable tradeoff. Even if I wish they were more strict with their image model
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