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This whole thing is comedy. Anthropic pretending Mythos 5 is so capable it's going to destroy everything, but will release it anyway with "safeguards" (when do
by evilturnip 3mo ago
This whole thing is comedy.
Anthropic pretending Mythos 5 is so capable it's going to destroy everything, but will release it anyway with "safeguards" (when does this ever work?).
US Gov't using this fake hype as an excuse to handicap Anthropic simply because they have a vendetta.
- bottlepalm 3mo agoI find it funny that AI keeps getting bigger, and the mental gymnastics needed to trivalize the progress get bigger as well - ie the government shutdown an AI model twisted into now even the government is being tricked. Everyone is tricked except me. Only I know AI isn't as smart as everyone thinks it is.
- ianm218 3mo agoI feel like it is strange seeing some really smart people go full conspiracy theory tin foil hat. Half these threads think that Anthropic is playing some 5D chess game to purposefully get nationalized.
- throwaway74628 3mo ago“Too dangerous to release” has been exploited for marketing. A sizeable plurality of the informed public know as much. Regulatory capture is a thing.
- lazide 3mo agoOr you could use it, and see the massive disconnect between hype and reality yourself. It’s not hard. The market is built on hype, so of course it’s going to get hyped everywhere.
- bottlepalm 3mo agoI've seen Fable reverse engineer binaries like nothing I've used before - Fable/Mythos is far from marketing hype. On top of that I think it's just stupid to think anyone in the marketing department at Anthropic has any part in the system card for a model. That kind of thinking just screams cope.
- IndeanCondor 3mo agoThis statement needs qualifiers. Are you claiming you have a raw binary to Fable and it just reverse engineered it by reading it? Or are you claiming (like for every other model released in the past 1.5 years) it's using an integration with Ghidra or BinaryNinja to assist - in which case I completely disagree even a 30B model can do that with those tools. Also an FYI, AI advancement and Anthropic are not synonymous. Someone asking Anthropic to back up their claims is not coping about AI, especially as independent benchmarking of Fable is giving equivalent or slightly above par results to GPT 5.5. The system card does not use any of the benchmarks used in the previous Opus 4.5+ system cards. All the scores are in Anthropic owned benchmarks. I find it extremely hard to believe the marketing department of the company was not involved in a material release to the public - which is the marketing departments literal job.
- bottlepalm 3mo agoYes with assist tools Fable was able to figure things out Opus 4.8 and ChatGPT 5.5 were unable to. Like significantly better.
- mikojan 3mo agoIt is beyond absurd to assume a company dependent on unprecedented sums of investor money is NOT deeply integrating its marketing department in its operations.
- christoph 3mo agoI’ll dream of a world where even 1% of that marketing money goes to customer support.
- ikiris 3mo agoThe ai psychosis is real. We've played with it a good bit, it in no way matches the ridiculous hype.
- reassess_blind 3mo agoNot as smart as everyone thinks it is, maybe, but a model like Fable 5 without safeguards against offensive cyber attacks would be a nightmare. There are millions of improperly secured web applications that, in the wrong hands, would be easily exploited by these models.
- lillesvin 3mo agoThere have been millions of trivially exploitable vulnerabilities out there for decades — many of which could be easily discovered by using simple scanning tools or manual probing. This is hardly a new situation and LLMs really aren't that impressive at pentesting — even with these simple exploits. Maybe they are if you're not a pentester, but then ZAP, Burp, Nessus, SQLMap, etc. are likely also impressive if you put a little effort into learning how to use them, but many AI-advocates aren't interested in learning skills themselves. It's the same situation as with vibe coding. Everyone and their grandma can have an LLM spit out a web application without any programming experience, but if you're a programmer, you'll likely quickly see some issues with maintainability and further development of the code base.
- zomiaen 3mo ago>LLMs really aren't that impressive at pentesting The point is that Mythos apparently is quite capable and has developed novel exploits on its own.
- lillesvin 3mo agoThat's the claim, yes. Has any proof been made available yet? (Genuinely asking here because I haven't been paying that close attention.)
- reassess_blind 3mo ago[dead]
- tayo42 3mo agoIn a substantially different way then how it is now? You can put something listening on 22, 80 and 443 and log how much stuff tries to get in.
- SepiaSapient 3mo agoI'm sorry that I think that "Our LLM is the missing element for a group to develop nukes or bioweapons" is marketing hogwash. I'll guess we will see when or if the IPO happens. The more probable claim (Trump just wants money) will be proved if Amodei buys Truth Social or something and pulls a Tim Apple. My (not very probable) tinfoil hat theory is sadly unverifiable, but very funny. Anthropic bribed some Trump minion to ban Fable and lock in the honeymoon period until just before the IPO.
- koolala 3mo agoNothing is funny about LLMs being restricted like air travel.
- graphime 3mo ago> Nothing is funny about AI being restricted like air travel. Yeah it is. Unless you work at Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, or Meta. Your stocks/RSU are at risk of losing significant value.
- koolala 3mo agoNo it isn't. LLM's are a form of access to information like Libraries or the Internet.
- sethops1 3mo agoThe content produced by LLMs is literally stolen from the internet.
- rockskon 3mo agoThat various companies such as Google are working to kill. They're an advertising company that is making it increasingly clear they no longer want to link to their competition. Competition being defined as any source of information that is not Google.
- koolala 3mo agoKnowledge being 'owned' isn't some noble truth. To me, information being able to be shared freely online is the noble thing.
- kdheiwns 3mo agoAgreed. That's why it's disgusting that these AI companies charge such outrageous fees for information they should be giving back to us for free.
- ai_fry_ur_brain 3mo agoThat or an excuse to put controls on all AI and massage the message for why we have to ban Deepseek.
- anon373839 3mo agoI wonder if there even is a real vendetta. How many people in the administration / friendly with the administration would benefit financially from the IPO? Maneuvers like this still pump more air into the hype balloon. I suspect that Anthropic and its backers did not enjoy the many "meh" reviews that Fable has received for its modest bump in output quality.
- trhway 3mo agoAnthropic drops defense work, OpenAI picks up, Anthropic files for IPO, after that OpenAI files for IPO, now Anthropic's IPO looks not that good... thus making for much better OpenAI IPO. I'm wondering whether the Trump's son has any connection to OpenAI as the companies he is connected to have been very lucky to get various government benefits/contracts/etc. on "pure merits". And that: https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/trump-ai-executive-order-has-no-requirements/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/trump-ai-exe... "OpenAI's Sam Altman Meets With Trump in Wake of Executive Order on AI"
- fakedang 3mo agoJosh Kushner (Jared's brother) is an investor in Open AI.
- nycconnections 3mo agohttps://therealdeal.com/new-york/2024/10/07/openai-opening-offices-at-kushners-puck-building/ https://therealdeal.com/new-york/2024/10/07/openai-opening-o...
- efitz 3mo agoI don’t think there’s a vendetta. I think that Dario is an ideologue who has been letting his ideology cloud his business judgment. I don’t think he’s playing 4D chess; I think he truly believes all the “AI is going to eliminate all the jobs” crap. I think his “Claude Constitution” is wishful thinking and his attempts to exert control over what his customers lawfully do with the product he sells them have made his company untrustworthy; certainly so by the US Dept of War. I think lately his advisors have made him tone down the doomerism noting that it might tank his IPO, and I am uncertain whether his recent pushes towards more regulation are regulatory capture attempts or ideology or both. The man is smart but IMO shouldn’t be running the company- he should be a CTO and let a business person make the decisions. As for the government, bureaucracies gonna do what they always do. If you scare them they regulate you. ITAR is a real thing and the government throws it at technology all the time, from the minds that brought you 40-bit SSL in the 90s.
- coliveira 3mo agoWhere's the people who complain about the government picking winners? Strange that they suddenly travel somewhere without internet or lose their vocal cords.
- alexwwang 3mo agoPeople always exaggerate the thing they don’t understand.
- MattyRad 3mo agoMy first thought is that this government-Anthropic feud is good publicity for both of them. - Anthropic is seen as a victim/hero - They get Government-endorsed model hype - Monday will be a bad publicity day with the new Agent SDK limits, this overrides/dominates the headlines - The government gets to appear like they're ahead of the curve - The government gets to appear forcible and weapons-conscious (and maybe earn some right-wing points) The government is possibly a real threat here, but it's also possible that this is a case of knights rallying the mooks (https://ribbonfarm.com/2020/01/16/the-internet-of-beefs/ https://ribbonfarm.com/2020/01/16/the-internet-of-beefs/), and the models will be back online Monday with a note that "we gave em hell in court because we're so smart and dedicated and talented and good at beefing"
- bo1024 3mo agoPlus, this is more fuel for Anthropic's God complex.