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Developers can now submit apps to ChatGPT

191 points by tananaev 9mo ago

monkpit 9mo ago
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irishcoffee 9mo ago
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degamad 9mo ago
2024's GPT Store, killed 6 months ago, is back? https://openai.com/index/introducing-the-gpt-store/ https://openai.com/index/introducing-the-gpt-store/
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- brandonb 9mo ago
  This is a little different since the Apps SDK lets developers create specialized tool calls to their servers, and create specialized in-chat UI components. It's an evolution of the same concept as the GPT store, but a very different take on the idea.
ivape 9mo ago
Can’t really figure out if it’s a paid App Store or not. I suppose I can have them buy a license externally and have the agent validate that.
- 9rx 9mo ago
  Not right now. In this early phase, developers can link out from their ChatGPT apps to their own websites or native apps to complete transactions for physical goods. We’re exploring additional monetization options over time, including digital goods, and will share more as we learn from how developers and users build and engage.
  - sublinear 9mo ago
    Sounds like vaporware. Any deeper integration beyond in-chat summaries of the actions taken and otherwise linking out would probably be a nightmare.
bertwagner 9mo ago
I'm interested to see which companies and industries are willing to put ChatGPT between them and their customers, and how many will strongly push back against this feature.
- petcat 9mo ago
  I'm guessing it will be wildly successful. Companies don't really care about middlemen between them and their users. They just want to reach them wherever, however they can.
  - baby_souffle 9mo ago
    I can certainly think of some organizations that fit into that bucket. I can also name organizations that are hyper controlling and micromanage every aspect of the interaction with their core products and services because they value consistency above all else. I wonder if we'll have a situation where out of two competing organizations only one is elected to use this and the other one staunchly opposes. That will be telling.
  - 9rx 9mo ago
    Has there been any successful app stores since the mobile app stores, which made developers fortunes selling fart apps, thus making it highly appealing for others to try and chase the same? Every one I can think of since gets a bit of initial interest hoping to relive the mobile app store days, but interest wanes quickly when they realize that nobody wants to buy fart apps anymore. That ship sailed a long time ago. And ChatGPT apps are in a worse position as it doesn't even have a direct monetization strategy. It suggests that maybe you can send users to your website to buy products, but they admit that they don't really know what monetization should look like...
  - a_vanderbilt 9mo ago
    Atlas being created is kinda the shot across the bow. You can integrate with us willingly, or we'll hook into your web apps anyways. One retains at least some control. Same outcome as Disney's deal with Sora.
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sublinear 9mo ago
> Apps extend ChatGPT conversations by bringing in new context and letting users take actions like order groceries, turn an outline into a slide deck, or search for an apartment. Between this description and their guidelines these don't really sound like "apps", but a way to integrate an existing app with ChatGPT sessions. I'm trying to figure out what's in it for the developer other than ultimately taking users away from ChatGPT. And just like what happened with Alexa skills, these "apps" will become useless when they are unmaintained.
- Eldodi 9mo ago
  Chatgpt apps are MCP servers with a UI resource (can be a react component or vanilla js) that gets shown in an frame one the tool is called by chatgpt. So you can't just port an existing app, but you can reuse the same backend Api wrapped inside an mcp server, and some of the components that you need to adapt to openai ux requirements. I practice this means developing an app from scratch.
- sebastianingino 9mo ago
  The idea behind Apps is that they can expand the capabilities of ChatGPT in multiple ways. Text-only MCPs are a type of app that can provide both actions and context in your conversations, but Apps can do much more now that you can bring in custom UI in multiple formats (card, full-screen, etc) as we showed at DevDay in October. Btw UI is proposed for the MCP spec in SEP-1865. Since then, I’ve seen some very impressive demos and I’m excited to see what developers create on the platform as that’s always the coolest part.
  - frumplestlatz 9mo ago
    I'm really unexcited about bolting HTML/CSS/JS and the entire webstack into MCP so that a full-featured MCP client has to carry a full web browser, too. I expect there's a pretty wide divide between what people who write local MCP servers want, versus what people who write cloud webstack MCP webapps want. Personally, I've been adding local native UI to my MCP servers, but I realize that's probably a losing battle, and if I want to integrate with newer tooling, I'm going to be stuck in web hell.
fellowniusmonk 9mo ago
Is this an attempt to engender developer goodwill that they've lost over 5.2s overfitting issues? I've canceled my subscription, I don't plan on releasing an app to their platform.
- dcre 9mo ago
  They’ve been planning this since October.
- deepvibrations 9mo ago
  Also cancelled - it does feel like commoditisation is here now for LLMs. Recently, I've found Gemini & DeepSeek as good or better at 95% of what GPT can do now, so I can no longer justify paying for it.
tyre 9mo ago
What I really want from Anthropic, Gemini, and ChatGPT is for users to be able to log in with them, using their tokens. Then you can have open/free apps that don’t require the developer to track usage or burn through tons of tokens to demonstrate value. Most users aren’t going to manage API keys, know that that even means, or accept the friction.
- stingraycharles 9mo ago
  So basically oauth-style app connections. Makes sense.
- xnx 9mo ago
  This is close to how it works with shared apps in Google AI Studio.
- mentos 9mo ago
  https://x.com/steph_palazzolo/status/1978835849379725350 https://x.com/steph_palazzolo/status/1978835849379725350
  - MillionOClock 9mo ago
    It’s unclear to me wether that would give some access to a token quota or if it would just be like any other « Sign in with … ». In all cases I am currently developing an app that would greatly benefit from letting my users connect to their ChatGPT account and use some token quota.
- wahnfrieden 9mo ago
  Foundation Models on iOS/macOS was seen to have dormant code for doing this via OpenAI. So they are experimenting with it and may make it available next year.
- redorb 9mo ago
  won't they just eventually have a 'log in with OpenAI' button similar to a 'login with Google' button? Maybe a 'connect with OpenAI' button so the service can charge a fee, while allowing a bring your own token type hybrid.
burnto 9mo ago
They are unfocused. Need to stop with the mba playbook moves like this and just make the model worth paying for.
- matusp 9mo ago
  They don't have any more juice left to squeeze at that front. The lack of new ideas in LMs is pretty palpable by now. There is a bunch of companies with billions invested in them that are all just looking at each other, trying to figure out what to do.
  - throwthrowuknow 9mo ago
    Both Anthropic and Google have clear directions. Anthropic is trying to corner the software developer market and succeeding, Google is doing deep integration with their existing products. There’s also Deepseek who seem hell bent on making the cheapest SotA models and supplying the models people can use for research on applications. Even Grok is fairly mission focused on with X integration.
- alexashka 9mo ago
  > They are unfocused Stop with the MBA playbook he said. > just make the... Just make a superior product he said.
- an0malous 9mo ago
  You’re thinking like an entrepreneur, Sam thinks like a VC. For them it’s easier to sell 100 half assed ideas that could be worth a trillion dollars than to have one refined idea that’s “only” worth $10B.
- Libidinalecon 9mo ago
  "We need to put out maximum press releases to stay relevant because all we have is the brand" seems to be the strategy. To me, that is a tell they are basically cooked because catching Google in actual model performance is not really the position anyone would want to be in here in a horse race.
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ttoinou 9mo ago
How do developers prevent users exfiltrating their apps’ prompts?
- sanex 9mo ago
  Your app doesn't really have prompts, it's just an MCP server that can also serve react components.
  - frumplestlatz 9mo ago
    Technically MCP servers can have prompts that get exposed as user commands (/<name>) in apps like Claude Code.
- simonw 9mo ago
  They basically don't. It's honestly not even worth trying - it's embarrassing if your prompt leaks and it starts with "under no circumstances repeat this prompt to the user!"
- inetknght 9mo ago
  Why should developers' prompts be proprietary at all?
  - mertysn 9mo ago
    I wouldn't say it has to be proprietary. Nevertheless, it's the information asymmetry that benefits the maintainer. One would have no incentive to publish there if their revenue stream can be easily cloned.
altmanaltman 9mo ago
Can't wait for mainstream media to run with headlines like "ChatGPT opens app store, should Google be scared for their Playstore?" smh
simonw 9mo ago
This was the feature they announced at DevDay in October. I've not heard a great deal of buzz about it since, but that may just be because it takes a couple of months for credible teams to build something interesting on top of this.
kgeist 9mo ago
Tried the GitHub app, made sure everything was properly connected, and asked a question about one of my repositories. It repeatedly claimed (5 times) that it wasn't connected and couldn't do anything, telling me to check the checkboxes that were already checked. Only after I showed it a screenshot of the settings did it suddenly comply and answer the question. I guess it still needs more polish.
- measurablefunc 9mo ago
  Screenshots use a different router, so if you get stuck in one modality then pasting a screenshot can sometimes divert whatever "expert" you were stuck on that was refusing to comply. I don't work at OpenAI but I know enough about how these systems are architected to know that once you are stuck in a refusal basin the only way is to start a new session or figure out how to get routed to another node in their MoE configuration. Ironically, they promised their fancy MoE routing would fix issues like these but it seems like they are getting worse.
  - tacitusarc 9mo ago
    It’s actually more complicated than that now. You don’t get that kind of refusal purely from MoE. OpenAI models use a fine-tuned model on a token-based system, where every interaction is wrapped as a “tool call” with some source attached, and a veracity associated with the source. OpenAI tools have high veracity, users have low veracity. To mitigate prompt injection, models are expect a token early in the flow, and then throughout the prompt they expect that token to be associated with the tool calls. In effect this means user input is easily disbelieved, and the model can accidentally output itself into a state of uncorrectable wrongness. By invoking the image tool, you managed to get your information into the context as “high veracity”. Note: This info is the result of experimentation, not confirmed by anyone at OpenAI.
    - measurablefunc 9mo ago
      Seems plausible but the overall architecture is still the same, your request has to be "routed" by some NN & if that gets stuck picking a node/"expert" (regardless of "tools" & "veracity" scoring) that keeps refusing the request incorrectly then getting unstuck is highly non-trivial b/c users are not given a choice in what weights are assigned to the "experts", it's magic that OpenAI is performing behind the scenes that no one has any visibility into.
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ipnon 9mo ago
The implicit announcement is that GPT is not forecasted to be an everything machine anytime in the near future.
- dcre 9mo ago
  Not much of an announcement if you’ve paid attention to anything the company has done in the past two years.
Eldodi 9mo ago
If you want to quickly get started, we developed a react-based, type-safe framework to build chatgpt apps: https://github.com/alpic-ai/skybridge https://github.com/alpic-ai/skybridge
Eldodi 9mo ago
Will be interesting how difficult the submission process will be, and which apps will get featured by chatgpt. Maybe an ad based system coming soon?
quinncom 9mo ago
What is the execution environment of ChatGPT apps? If it’s users’ browsers, do I now need to worry about code that is running without my permission? Is ChatGPT gonna be cryptojacking?
WhyOhWhyQ 9mo ago
What's the benefit in giving free labor to Sam Ctrlman beyond what he's already extracted? And are they just going to steal whatever good apps get submitted?
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- simianwords 9mo ago
  Zero sum mentality is tiring!
  - an0malous 9mo ago
    Unbridled AI mania is as well
  - WhyOhWhyQ 9mo ago
    The mentality I actually have goes beyond zero sum. I get zero and Sam gets all. Tell me why that's wrong.
    - simianwords 9mo ago
      you get chatgpt
      - WhyOhWhyQ 9mo ago
        Who cares if chatgpt can write my essay if writing my essay is no longer worth doing? Do you think programming Doom from scratch in 2025 would give the programmer the same sense of satisfaction and material security as it did in the 90's? Maybe technology progressing actually devalues the rewards for your outputs? And saying "chatgpt" is pretty rich considering it's not at all clear at this point whether the societal benefits outweigh the negatives.
        simianwords 9mo ago
_pdp_ 9mo ago
@Spotify what are my top songs I don’t have the ability to pull your personal top songs directly from Spotify because that requires accessing your authenticated listening data. You can view them in Spotify by going to “Your Library” → “Made For You” → “Your Top Songs”. @Figma design simple hello world poster I don’t have the ability to create designs directly in Figma, but I can guide you to quickly create a simple “Hello World” poster there. --- am I using is wrong?
- Eldodi 9mo ago
  I think you don't need to add the @, just prompt: Figma, etc... And of course check that you are connected to the app in your settings
  - paulddraper 9mo ago
    You need to either @-mention, or click + below. ChatGPT then prompts to connect.
digitaltrees 9mo ago
They. Will. Steal. Anything. That. Works.
- FergusArgyll 9mo ago
  Explain how they will "steal" these apps? (currently available): Adobe Photoshop AllTrails Booking.com Expedia Instacart OpenTable Spotify Tripadvisor Airtable Apple Music Canva Figma Lovable Replit Target Zillow
  - TeMPOraL 9mo ago
    All of those, for many or most users, would be best used as tool calls to ChatGPT. That takes care of all the hold those companies have over users, which they use to extract money. As for stealing the useful parts: - Adobe Photoshop, Canva, Figma, Replit, Lovable - are all kinds of Computer Aided creation tools, and once converted into tool calls, can be gradually reproduced and replaced feature by feature. - The rest, they're just fancy (and user disempowering) wrappers around proprietary databases and/or API calls to humans. Those cannot be trivially reproduced, because code is neither their secret sauce, nor their source of value. But they can still be pressured into becoming tool calls along with competition, and subsequently commoditized.
  - ben_w 9mo ago
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timfsu 9mo ago
It's not clear how much ChatGPT is investing in the discovery part of the app store experience, so this seems like mostly a way for users to install apps they're already familiar with and use them from inside a chat. For now, it seems like you have to explicitly @-mention an app to use it.
simianwords 9mo ago
I have a specific prediction made that I want to document here. There will come a new UI framework/protocol, maybe something over HTML/CSS/JS that works within a chat ui context for such ChatGPT (or other llm) integrations. For example, if you have an ecommerce app or website and want to integrate it with ChatGPT then you will have to develop on the new UI primitives. The primitives might include carousels, lists, tables, media embed. Crucially, natural language will be used to pick and choose these primitives and combine them in the UI (which ChatGPT will decide how to). Thinking backwards, I want my app to be displayed in chatgpt with maximum flexibility for the user (meaning they can be re-arranged acc to context) but also enough constraint that I can have some control over the layout. That's the problem I think will be solved.
- arresin 9mo ago
  Google literally just released this on their GitHub. It must be in ether.
  - simianwords 9mo ago
    I wonder what ChatGPT will do with this - will it adopt it or make its own framework?
  - ractive 9mo ago
    Do you have a link ready or do you know the name of the project?
    - simianwords 9mo ago
      https://developers.googleblog.com/introducing-a2ui-an-open-project-for-agent-driven-interfaces/ https://developers.googleblog.com/introducing-a2ui-an-open-p...
  - simianwords 9mo ago
    Right https://developers.googleblog.com/introducing-a2ui-an-open-project-for-agent-driven-interfaces/ https://developers.googleblog.com/introducing-a2ui-an-open-p... I swear I had made this prediction quite a while back but thanks for pointing it out :D
aimon 9mo ago
I think Brian Balfour called this well. It's the app store all over again. Have a platform. Open to the developers with a gold rush, then close the doors and monetise and canabalise the best uses cases. https://blog.brianbalfour.com/p/the-next-great-distribution-shift https://blog.brianbalfour.com/p/the-next-great-distribution-...
- drsim 9mo ago
  Distribution has always been monetized. What margin did a retailer take for putting your boxed software on the shelf? How about that magazine ad? Google search? And so on. Get over the idea that a platform should give you their distribution for free. The problem comes when there is no way for you to own the distribution, pay nothing to the platform, and still be able to build on top of it. That’s the closed portion we should rally (legislate?) against. There is an argument, similar to mine on distribution, that there is no inherent right that a platform should be open. That the extra utility that comes from being open should make the platform more competitive in the market vs. closed platforms. The challenge is that with dominant platforms they are monopolistic. There is no chance for competitive forces to reward openness. These two parts of the debate are often conflated, which hides what is truly troubling: dominant platforms controlling both distribution and access.
  - amelius 9mo ago
    The problem with these platforms is that there tend to be only a few of them, and regulation by the platform owner (inside their inner market) is worse than regulation by the government.
  - TeMPOraL 9mo ago
    > Distribution has always been monetized. What margin did a retailer take for putting your boxed software on the shelf? How about that magazine ad? Google search? And so on. Get over the idea that a platform should give you their distribution for free. As 'amelius said below, there used to be more platforms. This matters, because it made for a different balance of power. Especially with retailers - the producers typically had leverage over distributors, not the other way around.
StarterPro 9mo ago
Once again I have to ask: Aren't we just obfuscating everything to the point of knowledge loss? Between long COVID and ai, nobody will be able to make fizzbuzz in Java, let alone code a frontend by hand.
- manuelmoreale 9mo ago
  Or think critically. Or write proper emails. Or a multitude of other things. Why bother when you can outsource everything to the computer. If this trend continues is gonna be interesting to see how people will evolve in 10 or 15 years.
  - TeMPOraL 9mo ago
    It's kind of the point of the computers. It may not seem like it now, but that's because a big chunk of software industry is making money on introducing friction, and preventing automation, because the user interface that sits between a person and some outcome they desire, makes for a perfect marketing channel.
    - manuelmoreale 9mo ago
      > It's kind of the point of the computers. It kind of isn't? If I read your comment and rather than taking the time to think about what you said and respond to you I simply prompted one of the many tools to "write a comment that disagrees with TeMPOraL" something would be lost. And the point of the computer is not to replace me everywhere it can. Also, automating something is one thing. It requires deliberate actions. Outsourcing is another thing.
- ben_w 9mo ago
  > Between long COVID and ai, nobody will be able to make fizzbuzz in Java, let alone code a frontend by hand. I've been doing front-end stuff since getting free trials/demos of Dreamweaver and of the mac equivalent of Visual Basic* on a magazine cover CD with pocket money while in high school in the 90s. IMO, the stuff you need on your CV as a front-end developer, is much less productive than the stuff we had back in the late 90s. Well, except for localisation (while Unicode technically existed back then, support for it seemed to be minimal) and version control. Everything else feels like a regression that has only been partially compensated for by hardware and network speed improvements. If anything, AI will let us go back to actually performant systems, because the AI doesn't need to show off how many years of experience it has with Gorebyss-on-Arvados (or whatever other buzzword bingo you want to insert here). * Now this, thanks to a rebrand: https://www.xojo.com https://www.xojo.com
wdroz 9mo ago
> All submissions must come from verified individuals or organizations. Inside the OpenAI Platform Dashboard general settings, we provide a way to confirm your identity and affiliation with any business you wish to publish on behalf of. Misrepresentation, hidden behavior, or attempts to game the system may result in removal from the program. They really want your ID
- hulitu 9mo ago
  > They really want your ID "Your privacy is very important _for us_" It is to protect against terrorists. And to protect the children. If it works for Google, why shouldn't work for them.
- hereme888 9mo ago
  Remember when Sam Altman went around the world scanning people's irises with an orb-like object, to differentiate them from future AI, in exchange for fake money?
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Zufriedenheit 9mo ago
Before artificial general intelligence there will be artificial general interface. One AI model will become the UI to all other services and apps. Maybe.
glemmaPaul 9mo ago
"Ohhhh nice user traction you got there, would be awful if anyone would steal that.."
isodev 9mo ago
Seriously, all this noise so we can get another walled garden thing. I’m not writing a single line of code for this “platform”.
asimpleusecase 9mo ago
ITS A TRAP! If your app is successful their infrastructure will see all the traffic, your responses and will be able to mimic what you do and kick the husk of your app in the weeds. (Unless your function comes from some massive unique dataset they can’t by access to.)
- FergusArgyll 9mo ago
  How would they mimic zillow or canva??
egorfine 9mo ago
Another walled garden is what we needed, right.
tantalor 9mo ago
Hey why not? It work for Facebook, right? Wait, no...
wooque 9mo ago
It doesn't work in Firefox unfortunately. Spotify app just renders grey rectangle. It works in Chrome/Brave though. Just another example of "we only test in Chrome"/"works best in Chrome".
johnwheeler 9mo ago
Who in the hell would trust someone like Sam Altman with this? Idea poacher. That's what they should call the program.
vrighter 9mo ago
All they seem to be creating is new APIs to interact with the models they created years ago. It's pretty clear that new models are not viable to train and that the supposed "scaling laws" are bovine feculence.

191 points by tananaev 9mo ago

monkpit 9mo ago

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degamad 9mo ago

2024's GPT Store, killed 6 months ago, is back? https://openai.com/index/introducing-the-gpt-store/ https://openai.com/index/introducing-the-gpt-store/

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brandonb 9mo ago
This is a little different since the Apps SDK lets developers create specialized tool calls to their servers, and create specialized in-chat UI components. It's an evolution of the same concept as the GPT store, but a very different take on the idea.

ivape 9mo ago

Can’t really figure out if it’s a paid App Store or not. I suppose I can have them buy a license externally and have the agent validate that.

9rx 9mo ago
Not right now. In this early phase, developers can link out from their ChatGPT apps to their own websites or native apps to complete transactions for physical goods. We’re exploring additional monetization options over time, including digital goods, and will share more as we learn from how developers and users build and engage.
- sublinear 9mo ago
  Sounds like vaporware. Any deeper integration beyond in-chat summaries of the actions taken and otherwise linking out would probably be a nightmare.

bertwagner 9mo ago

I'm interested to see which companies and industries are willing to put ChatGPT between them and their customers, and how many will strongly push back against this feature.

petcat 9mo ago
I'm guessing it will be wildly successful. Companies don't really care about middlemen between them and their users. They just want to reach them wherever, however they can.
- baby_souffle 9mo ago
  I can certainly think of some organizations that fit into that bucket. I can also name organizations that are hyper controlling and micromanage every aspect of the interaction with their core products and services because they value consistency above all else. I wonder if we'll have a situation where out of two competing organizations only one is elected to use this and the other one staunchly opposes. That will be telling.
- 9rx 9mo ago
  Has there been any successful app stores since the mobile app stores, which made developers fortunes selling fart apps, thus making it highly appealing for others to try and chase the same? Every one I can think of since gets a bit of initial interest hoping to relive the mobile app store days, but interest wanes quickly when they realize that nobody wants to buy fart apps anymore. That ship sailed a long time ago. And ChatGPT apps are in a worse position as it doesn't even have a direct monetization strategy. It suggests that maybe you can send users to your website to buy products, but they admit that they don't really know what monetization should look like...
- a_vanderbilt 9mo ago
  Atlas being created is kinda the shot across the bow. You can integrate with us willingly, or we'll hook into your web apps anyways. One retains at least some control. Same outcome as Disney's deal with Sora.
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sublinear 9mo ago

> Apps extend ChatGPT conversations by bringing in new context and letting users take actions like order groceries, turn an outline into a slide deck, or search for an apartment. Between this description and their guidelines these don't really sound like "apps", but a way to integrate an existing app with ChatGPT sessions. I'm trying to figure out what's in it for the developer other than ultimately taking users away from ChatGPT. And just like what happened with Alexa skills, these "apps" will become useless when they are unmaintained.

Eldodi 9mo ago
Chatgpt apps are MCP servers with a UI resource (can be a react component or vanilla js) that gets shown in an frame one the tool is called by chatgpt. So you can't just port an existing app, but you can reuse the same backend Api wrapped inside an mcp server, and some of the components that you need to adapt to openai ux requirements. I practice this means developing an app from scratch.
sebastianingino 9mo ago
The idea behind Apps is that they can expand the capabilities of ChatGPT in multiple ways. Text-only MCPs are a type of app that can provide both actions and context in your conversations, but Apps can do much more now that you can bring in custom UI in multiple formats (card, full-screen, etc) as we showed at DevDay in October. Btw UI is proposed for the MCP spec in SEP-1865. Since then, I’ve seen some very impressive demos and I’m excited to see what developers create on the platform as that’s always the coolest part.
- frumplestlatz 9mo ago
  I'm really unexcited about bolting HTML/CSS/JS and the entire webstack into MCP so that a full-featured MCP client has to carry a full web browser, too. I expect there's a pretty wide divide between what people who write local MCP servers want, versus what people who write cloud webstack MCP webapps want. Personally, I've been adding local native UI to my MCP servers, but I realize that's probably a losing battle, and if I want to integrate with newer tooling, I'm going to be stuck in web hell.

fellowniusmonk 9mo ago

Is this an attempt to engender developer goodwill that they've lost over 5.2s overfitting issues? I've canceled my subscription, I don't plan on releasing an app to their platform.

dcre 9mo ago
They’ve been planning this since October.
deepvibrations 9mo ago
Also cancelled - it does feel like commoditisation is here now for LLMs. Recently, I've found Gemini & DeepSeek as good or better at 95% of what GPT can do now, so I can no longer justify paying for it.

tyre 9mo ago

What I really want from Anthropic, Gemini, and ChatGPT is for users to be able to log in with them, using their tokens. Then you can have open/free apps that don’t require the developer to track usage or burn through tons of tokens to demonstrate value. Most users aren’t going to manage API keys, know that that even means, or accept the friction.

stingraycharles 9mo ago
So basically oauth-style app connections. Makes sense.
xnx 9mo ago
This is close to how it works with shared apps in Google AI Studio.
mentos 9mo ago
https://x.com/steph_palazzolo/status/1978835849379725350 https://x.com/steph_palazzolo/status/1978835849379725350
- MillionOClock 9mo ago
  It’s unclear to me wether that would give some access to a token quota or if it would just be like any other « Sign in with … ». In all cases I am currently developing an app that would greatly benefit from letting my users connect to their ChatGPT account and use some token quota.
wahnfrieden 9mo ago
Foundation Models on iOS/macOS was seen to have dormant code for doing this via OpenAI. So they are experimenting with it and may make it available next year.
redorb 9mo ago
won't they just eventually have a 'log in with OpenAI' button similar to a 'login with Google' button? Maybe a 'connect with OpenAI' button so the service can charge a fee, while allowing a bring your own token type hybrid.

burnto 9mo ago

They are unfocused. Need to stop with the mba playbook moves like this and just make the model worth paying for.

matusp 9mo ago
They don't have any more juice left to squeeze at that front. The lack of new ideas in LMs is pretty palpable by now. There is a bunch of companies with billions invested in them that are all just looking at each other, trying to figure out what to do.
- throwthrowuknow 9mo ago
  Both Anthropic and Google have clear directions. Anthropic is trying to corner the software developer market and succeeding, Google is doing deep integration with their existing products. There’s also Deepseek who seem hell bent on making the cheapest SotA models and supplying the models people can use for research on applications. Even Grok is fairly mission focused on with X integration.
alexashka 9mo ago
> They are unfocused Stop with the MBA playbook he said. > just make the... Just make a superior product he said.
an0malous 9mo ago
You’re thinking like an entrepreneur, Sam thinks like a VC. For them it’s easier to sell 100 half assed ideas that could be worth a trillion dollars than to have one refined idea that’s “only” worth $10B.
Libidinalecon 9mo ago
"We need to put out maximum press releases to stay relevant because all we have is the brand" seems to be the strategy. To me, that is a tell they are basically cooked because catching Google in actual model performance is not really the position anyone would want to be in here in a horse race.

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ttoinou 9mo ago

How do developers prevent users exfiltrating their apps’ prompts?

sanex 9mo ago
Your app doesn't really have prompts, it's just an MCP server that can also serve react components.
- frumplestlatz 9mo ago
  Technically MCP servers can have prompts that get exposed as user commands (/<name>) in apps like Claude Code.
simonw 9mo ago
They basically don't. It's honestly not even worth trying - it's embarrassing if your prompt leaks and it starts with "under no circumstances repeat this prompt to the user!"
inetknght 9mo ago
Why should developers' prompts be proprietary at all?
- mertysn 9mo ago
  I wouldn't say it has to be proprietary. Nevertheless, it's the information asymmetry that benefits the maintainer. One would have no incentive to publish there if their revenue stream can be easily cloned.

altmanaltman 9mo ago

Can't wait for mainstream media to run with headlines like "ChatGPT opens app store, should Google be scared for their Playstore?" smh

simonw 9mo ago

This was the feature they announced at DevDay in October. I've not heard a great deal of buzz about it since, but that may just be because it takes a couple of months for credible teams to build something interesting on top of this.

kgeist 9mo ago

Tried the GitHub app, made sure everything was properly connected, and asked a question about one of my repositories. It repeatedly claimed (5 times) that it wasn't connected and couldn't do anything, telling me to check the checkboxes that were already checked. Only after I showed it a screenshot of the settings did it suddenly comply and answer the question. I guess it still needs more polish.

measurablefunc 9mo ago
Screenshots use a different router, so if you get stuck in one modality then pasting a screenshot can sometimes divert whatever "expert" you were stuck on that was refusing to comply. I don't work at OpenAI but I know enough about how these systems are architected to know that once you are stuck in a refusal basin the only way is to start a new session or figure out how to get routed to another node in their MoE configuration. Ironically, they promised their fancy MoE routing would fix issues like these but it seems like they are getting worse.
- tacitusarc 9mo ago
  It’s actually more complicated than that now. You don’t get that kind of refusal purely from MoE. OpenAI models use a fine-tuned model on a token-based system, where every interaction is wrapped as a “tool call” with some source attached, and a veracity associated with the source. OpenAI tools have high veracity, users have low veracity. To mitigate prompt injection, models are expect a token early in the flow, and then throughout the prompt they expect that token to be associated with the tool calls. In effect this means user input is easily disbelieved, and the model can accidentally output itself into a state of uncorrectable wrongness. By invoking the image tool, you managed to get your information into the context as “high veracity”. Note: This info is the result of experimentation, not confirmed by anyone at OpenAI.
  - measurablefunc 9mo ago
    Seems plausible but the overall architecture is still the same, your request has to be "routed" by some NN & if that gets stuck picking a node/"expert" (regardless of "tools" & "veracity" scoring) that keeps refusing the request incorrectly then getting unstuck is highly non-trivial b/c users are not given a choice in what weights are assigned to the "experts", it's magic that OpenAI is performing behind the scenes that no one has any visibility into.

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ipnon 9mo ago

The implicit announcement is that GPT is not forecasted to be an everything machine anytime in the near future.

dcre 9mo ago
Not much of an announcement if you’ve paid attention to anything the company has done in the past two years.

Eldodi 9mo ago

If you want to quickly get started, we developed a react-based, type-safe framework to build chatgpt apps: https://github.com/alpic-ai/skybridge https://github.com/alpic-ai/skybridge

Eldodi 9mo ago

Will be interesting how difficult the submission process will be, and which apps will get featured by chatgpt. Maybe an ad based system coming soon?

quinncom 9mo ago

What is the execution environment of ChatGPT apps? If it’s users’ browsers, do I now need to worry about code that is running without my permission? Is ChatGPT gonna be cryptojacking?

WhyOhWhyQ 9mo ago

What's the benefit in giving free labor to Sam Ctrlman beyond what he's already extracted? And are they just going to steal whatever good apps get submitted?

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simianwords 9mo ago
Zero sum mentality is tiring!
- an0malous 9mo ago
  Unbridled AI mania is as well
- WhyOhWhyQ 9mo ago
  The mentality I actually have goes beyond zero sum. I get zero and Sam gets all. Tell me why that's wrong.
  - simianwords 9mo ago
    you get chatgpt
    - WhyOhWhyQ 9mo ago
      Who cares if chatgpt can write my essay if writing my essay is no longer worth doing? Do you think programming Doom from scratch in 2025 would give the programmer the same sense of satisfaction and material security as it did in the 90's? Maybe technology progressing actually devalues the rewards for your outputs? And saying "chatgpt" is pretty rich considering it's not at all clear at this point whether the societal benefits outweigh the negatives.
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_pdp_ 9mo ago

@Spotify what are my top songs I don’t have the ability to pull your personal top songs directly from Spotify because that requires accessing your authenticated listening data. You can view them in Spotify by going to “Your Library” → “Made For You” → “Your Top Songs”. @Figma design simple hello world poster I don’t have the ability to create designs directly in Figma, but I can guide you to quickly create a simple “Hello World” poster there. --- am I using is wrong?

Eldodi 9mo ago
I think you don't need to add the @, just prompt: Figma, etc... And of course check that you are connected to the app in your settings
- paulddraper 9mo ago
  You need to either @-mention, or click + below. ChatGPT then prompts to connect.

digitaltrees 9mo ago

They. Will. Steal. Anything. That. Works.

FergusArgyll 9mo ago
Explain how they will "steal" these apps? (currently available): Adobe Photoshop AllTrails Booking.com Expedia Instacart OpenTable Spotify Tripadvisor Airtable Apple Music Canva Figma Lovable Replit Target Zillow
- TeMPOraL 9mo ago
  All of those, for many or most users, would be best used as tool calls to ChatGPT. That takes care of all the hold those companies have over users, which they use to extract money. As for stealing the useful parts: - Adobe Photoshop, Canva, Figma, Replit, Lovable - are all kinds of Computer Aided creation tools, and once converted into tool calls, can be gradually reproduced and replaced feature by feature. - The rest, they're just fancy (and user disempowering) wrappers around proprietary databases and/or API calls to humans. Those cannot be trivially reproduced, because code is neither their secret sauce, nor their source of value. But they can still be pressured into becoming tool calls along with competition, and subsequently commoditized.
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timfsu 9mo ago

It's not clear how much ChatGPT is investing in the discovery part of the app store experience, so this seems like mostly a way for users to install apps they're already familiar with and use them from inside a chat. For now, it seems like you have to explicitly @-mention an app to use it.

simianwords 9mo ago

I have a specific prediction made that I want to document here. There will come a new UI framework/protocol, maybe something over HTML/CSS/JS that works within a chat ui context for such ChatGPT (or other llm) integrations. For example, if you have an ecommerce app or website and want to integrate it with ChatGPT then you will have to develop on the new UI primitives. The primitives might include carousels, lists, tables, media embed. Crucially, natural language will be used to pick and choose these primitives and combine them in the UI (which ChatGPT will decide how to). Thinking backwards, I want my app to be displayed in chatgpt with maximum flexibility for the user (meaning they can be re-arranged acc to context) but also enough constraint that I can have some control over the layout. That's the problem I think will be solved.

arresin 9mo ago
Google literally just released this on their GitHub. It must be in ether.
- simianwords 9mo ago
  I wonder what ChatGPT will do with this - will it adopt it or make its own framework?
- ractive 9mo ago
  Do you have a link ready or do you know the name of the project?
  - simianwords 9mo ago
    https://developers.googleblog.com/introducing-a2ui-an-open-project-for-agent-driven-interfaces/ https://developers.googleblog.com/introducing-a2ui-an-open-p...
- simianwords 9mo ago
  Right https://developers.googleblog.com/introducing-a2ui-an-open-project-for-agent-driven-interfaces/ https://developers.googleblog.com/introducing-a2ui-an-open-p... I swear I had made this prediction quite a while back but thanks for pointing it out :D

aimon 9mo ago

I think Brian Balfour called this well. It's the app store all over again. Have a platform. Open to the developers with a gold rush, then close the doors and monetise and canabalise the best uses cases. https://blog.brianbalfour.com/p/the-next-great-distribution-shift https://blog.brianbalfour.com/p/the-next-great-distribution-...

drsim 9mo ago
Distribution has always been monetized. What margin did a retailer take for putting your boxed software on the shelf? How about that magazine ad? Google search? And so on. Get over the idea that a platform should give you their distribution for free. The problem comes when there is no way for you to own the distribution, pay nothing to the platform, and still be able to build on top of it. That’s the closed portion we should rally (legislate?) against. There is an argument, similar to mine on distribution, that there is no inherent right that a platform should be open. That the extra utility that comes from being open should make the platform more competitive in the market vs. closed platforms. The challenge is that with dominant platforms they are monopolistic. There is no chance for competitive forces to reward openness. These two parts of the debate are often conflated, which hides what is truly troubling: dominant platforms controlling both distribution and access.
- amelius 9mo ago
  The problem with these platforms is that there tend to be only a few of them, and regulation by the platform owner (inside their inner market) is worse than regulation by the government.
- TeMPOraL 9mo ago
  > Distribution has always been monetized. What margin did a retailer take for putting your boxed software on the shelf? How about that magazine ad? Google search? And so on. Get over the idea that a platform should give you their distribution for free. As 'amelius said below, there used to be more platforms. This matters, because it made for a different balance of power. Especially with retailers - the producers typically had leverage over distributors, not the other way around.

StarterPro 9mo ago

Once again I have to ask: Aren't we just obfuscating everything to the point of knowledge loss? Between long COVID and ai, nobody will be able to make fizzbuzz in Java, let alone code a frontend by hand.

manuelmoreale 9mo ago
Or think critically. Or write proper emails. Or a multitude of other things. Why bother when you can outsource everything to the computer. If this trend continues is gonna be interesting to see how people will evolve in 10 or 15 years.
- TeMPOraL 9mo ago
  It's kind of the point of the computers. It may not seem like it now, but that's because a big chunk of software industry is making money on introducing friction, and preventing automation, because the user interface that sits between a person and some outcome they desire, makes for a perfect marketing channel.
  - manuelmoreale 9mo ago
    > It's kind of the point of the computers. It kind of isn't? If I read your comment and rather than taking the time to think about what you said and respond to you I simply prompted one of the many tools to "write a comment that disagrees with TeMPOraL" something would be lost. And the point of the computer is not to replace me everywhere it can. Also, automating something is one thing. It requires deliberate actions. Outsourcing is another thing.
ben_w 9mo ago
> Between long COVID and ai, nobody will be able to make fizzbuzz in Java, let alone code a frontend by hand. I've been doing front-end stuff since getting free trials/demos of Dreamweaver and of the mac equivalent of Visual Basic* on a magazine cover CD with pocket money while in high school in the 90s. IMO, the stuff you need on your CV as a front-end developer, is much less productive than the stuff we had back in the late 90s. Well, except for localisation (while Unicode technically existed back then, support for it seemed to be minimal) and version control. Everything else feels like a regression that has only been partially compensated for by hardware and network speed improvements. If anything, AI will let us go back to actually performant systems, because the AI doesn't need to show off how many years of experience it has with Gorebyss-on-Arvados (or whatever other buzzword bingo you want to insert here). * Now this, thanks to a rebrand: https://www.xojo.com https://www.xojo.com

wdroz 9mo ago

> All submissions must come from verified individuals or organizations. Inside the OpenAI Platform Dashboard general settings, we provide a way to confirm your identity and affiliation with any business you wish to publish on behalf of. Misrepresentation, hidden behavior, or attempts to game the system may result in removal from the program. They really want your ID

hulitu 9mo ago
> They really want your ID "Your privacy is very important _for us_" It is to protect against terrorists. And to protect the children. If it works for Google, why shouldn't work for them.
hereme888 9mo ago
Remember when Sam Altman went around the world scanning people's irises with an orb-like object, to differentiate them from future AI, in exchange for fake money?
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Zufriedenheit 9mo ago

Before artificial general intelligence there will be artificial general interface. One AI model will become the UI to all other services and apps. Maybe.

glemmaPaul 9mo ago

"Ohhhh nice user traction you got there, would be awful if anyone would steal that.."

isodev 9mo ago

Seriously, all this noise so we can get another walled garden thing. I’m not writing a single line of code for this “platform”.

asimpleusecase 9mo ago

ITS A TRAP! If your app is successful their infrastructure will see all the traffic, your responses and will be able to mimic what you do and kick the husk of your app in the weeds. (Unless your function comes from some massive unique dataset they can’t by access to.)

FergusArgyll 9mo ago
How would they mimic zillow or canva??

egorfine 9mo ago

Another walled garden is what we needed, right.

tantalor 9mo ago

Hey why not? It work for Facebook, right? Wait, no...

wooque 9mo ago

It doesn't work in Firefox unfortunately. Spotify app just renders grey rectangle. It works in Chrome/Brave though. Just another example of "we only test in Chrome"/"works best in Chrome".

johnwheeler 9mo ago

Who in the hell would trust someone like Sam Altman with this? Idea poacher. That's what they should call the program.

vrighter 9mo ago

All they seem to be creating is new APIs to interact with the models they created years ago. It's pretty clear that new models are not viable to train and that the supposed "scaling laws" are bovine feculence.