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Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse
- voidspacexyz 11mo agoInteresting, that when it comes to Israel, it's a scandal and not an exposure. With every other country, an apple would be an apple and not a banana.
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- hedora 11mo agoI think the term you are looking for is “blood libel”, which I haven’t heard until recently. From context, it means “to speak the truth and present irrefutable evidence to back it up”. I guess that’s a crime?
- water-data-dude 11mo agoNo, it's a very specific thing and not at all applicable here. Blood libel was something along the lines of "the Jewish people are murdering children to use their blood for secret ceremonies"[0]. The "libel" part should give it away - it doesn't apply to someone revealing true facts. The people calling it blood libel because the facts are inconvenient and make Israel look bad are being disingenuous. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel
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- mafuy 11mo agoEven assuming that the points you present are all factual, your (more than) eye-for-eye position does not align with Western and democratic values. He is a murderer, so kill him for his crimes, and kill his familiy and friends, too, because they are all guilty, without trial, by association! That's what happened in Gaza and you seem to like that.
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- mafuy 11mo agoI don't like or condone what Hamas did at all. Their crimes should not be ignored and I never said so. They should all be in prison and stay there. But that someone did something horrendous against my people does not make it right for my people to kill them, at an extend far, far greater than what Hamas has caused Israelis to suffer under. You cannot in a sane mind propose that genocide is ever justified. If you do, then you must also believe that all the Germans should have been killed after what they did to the jews. Do you propose that? You are explicitly advocating for ignoring law and order. You prefer lawless lynching without order. My ethic values do not allow this and I find it stupid and disturbing.
- spwa4 11mo agoThe problem with this argument is that Israel responded militarily to an attack by hamas by attacking fighters using human shields. That is NOT a genocide, according to the human rights conventions. If having civilian victims at all is a war crime then every police officer in the world is a war criminal. But what hamas did on Oct 7 2023, that satisfies without any doubt whatsoever every last requirement for genocide. They emptied 2 machine guns in a kindergarten classroom because the children "were Jews". There were no survivors. Oh and as it always goes in racist attacks: 2 of the dead children (the black ones) were not Jews. Your position is to some extent defending war criminals. It is relevant to mention what these Palestinian "victims" did.
- throwawayk7h 11mo agoThis is the first time I've ever seen someone suggest there was truth to the blood libel. It seems pretty obviously absurd to me that there would exist a Jewish ritual requiring Christian blood. Can you provide this "irrefutable evidence," please?
- wredcoll 11mo agoIt's a reference to the video of israeli crimes being referred to as "blood libel"
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- wredcoll 11mo agoI appreciate how quickly you jump from "oh we need incontrovertible proof of guilt" to "oh that proof isn't real it's a hoax"
- richardfeynman 11mo agoIn one sentence, you managed to make up two things I never said, put them both in quotes, and then falsely allege I jumped from one statement I never said to the other I also never said. This shows an impressive amount of bad faith.
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- neoromantique 11mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning Definitely. Not even talking about likes of Russia or China where said person would simply disappear.
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- myrmidon 11mo agoI think thats slightly unfair; people just tend to flag polarizing political topics because it often leads to inflamed repetitive arguments without the HN effect (which would be the Israeli lawyer chiming in, here).
- watwut 11mo agoThe flagging is not symmetrical.
- nosianu 11mo agoI see barely any Israel discussions on this site, so if it is not symmetrical the main reason for that has to be that the submissions favoring one side or the other are very uneven, which is nobody's fault and not a problem. Especially since even being very generous, those discussions are not a good fit for this site. It's not like you don't have enough places to go if you really want to have one, it really does not have to be a heavily tech-focused site.
- g-b-r 11mo agoDid you try to search? There are many, but they typically don't stay on the front page
- g-b-r 11mo agoFor the nice people who downvoted without saying why, here's how to search: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=israel&sort=byDate&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=palestin&sort=byDate&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
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- mhb 11mo agoIndeed. Discussion of this abounds. Here's one in which I participated: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45676472 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45676472
- Jtsummers 11mo ago> Hey, not super familiar with HN norms. You can learn more about the intended norms through the Guidelines and FAQ, at the bottom of almost every page but here are the links: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html Regarding relevance to the community: > What to Submit > On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. And regarding comments about whether it's on- or off-topic: > Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it. Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead. If you flag, please don't also comment that you did.
- dazzaji 11mo agoThanks for those links - these are the rules and norms I didn’t know before. Now that I see them, they seem pretty sensible overall. Some are of them are a bit quirky.
- baumschubser 11mo ago"All information should be free" "Mistrust authority—promote decentralization" ("A hackers ethic" in Levy, Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution, 1984) I think it fits.
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- VerminOctopus1 11mo agoSeems like a moment of moral clarity for someone who had an opportunity to do the right thing. I suppose the organization in question here needs to screen more aggressively for individuals with zero moral compass.
- michalhosna 11mo agoSooo, what do you think about Edward Snowden?
- hshdhdhj4444 11mo agoEither the soldiers weren’t doing anything wrong and the video didn’t need to be secret or they were then why are you more worried about the exposure of the wrongdoing than the wrongdoing? Imagine thinking it’s narcissistic to put your career and life at risk to protect your fellow military prosecutors. You need an education on what narcissism is.
- myrmidon 11mo agoI think it is hugely underappreciated that in most of "the west" we can have public media content that is critical of army/politicians/administration and just makes the nation look bad abroad. I'm talking less about "free speech" as a concept and more about how the majority still thinks its worthwhile to have and allow such things even if they hurt. This is not something to take for granted, and I often find people oblivious to this privilege. There were lots of voices arguing along similar lines during the Snowden leaks ("should be punished/swept under the rug because it makes America look bad"), but I think this is truly a cornerstone of a free society, and the concerning thing here to me is not even how the Israeli lawyer or Army acted, but how Israeli public perception is seemingly changing on this.
- o999 11mo ago> ..and the concerning thing here to me is not even how the Israeli lawyer or Army acted, but how Israeli public perception is seemingly changing on this. Nothing changed, they have always been this way..
- shadyKeystrokes 11mo agoThe absence of all ugly is the real ugly.
- cosmicgadget 11mo ago> suspects in a violent assault on a Palestinian from Gaza, including anal rape. The victim was hospitalised with injuries including broken ribs, a punctured lung and rectal damage, according to the indictment ... then... > “The [investigation] in Sde Teiman caused immense damage to the image of the state of Israel and the IDF [Israel Defense Forces],” the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said in a statement on Sunday. “This is perhaps the most severe public relations attack that the state of Israel has experienced since its establishment.” ... then unsurprisingly... > a far-right mob gathered outside Sde Teiman calling for the investigation to be dropped. ... and so... > said in a resignation letter last week that she had authorised publication of the video to defuse attacks on military investigators and prosecutors working on the case.
- duxup 11mo ago>Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu echoed his defence minister's words on Sunday, saying that the incident at Sde Teiman was "perhaps the most severe public relations attack that the State of Israel has experienced since its establishment". https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0kpd97qqko https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0kpd97qqko This is all very inconvenient that people know the truth I guess ...
- Alex2037 11mo ago[flagged]
- zzrrt 11mo agoReality has a well-known liberal and pro-Palestine bias.
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- port11 11mo agoI'm not versed enough in the full history of Israel, but perhaps attacking several of your neighbours, buying anti-citizen and anti-journalism spyware, raping prisoners, keeping a de facto dictator in power… well, I think Israel has done plenty to smear its own image. Am I in a bubble? Because for more than a year I'd be hard pressed to find anyone in my country that would still be pro-Israel as a whole. Some nuanced support, surely, but also widespread condemnation.
- DANmode 11mo agoQuick correction: they are the main exporter, not purchaser, of the spyware people see named in famous cases against journalists, politicians, et al.
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- tguvot 11mo agoi was explained by moderator that it falls under "new phenomenon" part of guidelines and of interest to community
- neoromantique 11mo agoWeird how Sudan doesn't, totally not because of the Jews not being involved, totally.
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- negativelambda 11mo agoIsraeli soldiers sexually abuse a Palestinian prisoner, while the leaker gets hounded. From settler violence to cases like this, there is little or no accountability anymore in Israel.
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- tefkah 11mo agoI can find no evidence for the claim that this prisoner was one of the people involved in October 7th. Also, to call shoving a metal tube up a prisoners ass to the point it causes an intestinal rupture “beat up” is incredibly disingenuous.
- lysp 11mo agoDrop Site (@DropSiteNews) reports that the victim was a civilian and not a fighter, and was released without charge in the past month as per leaked documents. https://nitter.net/DropSiteNews/status/1985398199801045208 https://nitter.net/DropSiteNews/status/1985398199801045208
- croon 11mo agoI'm trying to be as charitable as I possibly can be, but it looks like you're arguing that brutal prisoner torture is deserved if the victim is (portrayed as) heinous enough. Is this correct or was your argument something else? I can understand the impulse, but not the conscious arguing for it.
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- Grimblewald 11mo ago> who spoke on the condition of anonymity > he come on, couldn't opt for gender neutral pronouns? Just had the help identify the person huh. Of those who were involved with treatment, i imagine an already small number, leaking gender and details of what was shared and the scope of their specific involment may cut it down to a very small number of plausible people, if not the exact person.
- zizee 11mo agoWhy does the reportimg say she "abandoned" her car at the beach? She was at the beach when she was located. People usually do not take their cars with them once they arrive at their destination. To get out and walk is not abandoning the car.
- tguvot 11mo agoshe either tried to commit suicide or tried to stage it. she was found wet without some of her clothes
- sigmar 11mo ago>The indictment said the soldiers assaulted the Palestinian prisoner and sodomized him with a knife, causing multiple injuries... When military police came to Sde Teiman in July to detain the soldiers suspected of abuse, they scuffled with protesters opposed to the arrests. How the fuck do people go out there protesting in support of the violent rape of prisoners? Sickening stuff.
- anal_reactor 11mo agoThat's average person for ya.
- DSingularity 11mo agoDo you mean the average Israeli? You can’t believe the average person is like this.
- Schiendelman 11mo agoWhy can't we believe that? There are rallies for rapists in other countries. The current US president...
- DSingularity 11mo agoSeems like you either don’t understand math and what the word “average” means or you are just being inflammatory.
- neoromantique 11mo agoYou don't seem to have a problem judging entirety of Israeli population by a fringe minority (and even that fringe minority is being misrepresented).
- DSingularity 10mo agoSorry what fridge minority? Poll after poll has shown that most Israelis are basically happy with what is happening in Gaza.
- mikkupikku 11mo agoThe whole situation is so extreme it almost reads like sick parody. Last year there were riots in Israel when some IDF soldiers were arrested for raping prisoners. The riots were in defense of the rapists, and were attended not only by extremist Israeli civilians but also Israeli lawmakers, who stormed the military base where the rapists were being held. The leaker releases a video of some of the abuse and is then accused of "blood libel" against the IDF by the Minister of Defense, Israel Katz. That phrase, "blood libel", is specifically intended to invoke the old medieval stories of Jewish people sacrificing and eating gentile children for their religious holidays. For leaking a video proving that the abuse is real.
- ebbi 11mo agoOne of the rapists is now paraded as a hero on Israeli TV. Sick, sick society.
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- Steven420 11mo agoDo you have any evidence of any of this?
- Protostome 11mo agoof what? bodies of women paraded on the streets?
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- gausswho 11mo agoRape whataboutism.
- jauntywundrkind 11mo agoThe US side doesn't quite have this, but man we sure have a parade of officials shown the door or who resign. No major leaks like this, but: A. Notable how in the US all the JAGs were dismissed almost immediately, https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/02/24/people-are-very-scared-trump-administration-purge-of-jag-officers-raises-legal-ethical-fears.html https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/02/24/people-are-ve... B. And now CIA Deputy Director Michael Ellis has let go of Counsel there & appointed himself Acting General Counsel, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/06/us/politics/michael-ellis-cia-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/06/us/politics/michael-ellis... C. And top southern command admiral just retired after having bombing boats in the carribean. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/16/us/politics/southern-command-head-stepping-down.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/16/us/politics/southern-comm... Sure seems like the US is trying to purge faster than any weak links can form.
- amai 11mo agoDon't forget: It was the raping that caused the damage to the IDF and the global standing of Israel, not the leaking. But nowadays it seems to be en vogue again to shoot the messenger.
- oliwarner 11mo agoBut you can't get away with anything if people keep reporting the truth. And the IDF is used to getting away with everything. Therefore the reporting is the problem.
- _menelaus 11mo agoThe IDF was formed from the merger of 3 terrorist organizations responsible for bombings and murders of Palestinian, British and even Jewish civilians. Not much has changed.
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- xyzal 11mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lehi_operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lehi_operations
- neoromantique 11mo agoThey were forced to disband, lay down their arms and merge into pre-existing IDF, specifically because the methods are not acceptable, some of them declined and had to be disbanded by force.
- _menelaus 11mo agoDid you know that Menachim Begin, the first prime minister of Israel, was the leader of Irgun? 'As head of the Irgun, he targeted the British in Palestine,[3] with a notable attack being the King David Hotel bombing. Later, the Irgun fought the Arabs during the 1947–48 civil war in Mandatory Palestine and, as its chief, Begin was described by the British government as the "leader of the notorious terrorist organisation".'
- neoromantique 11mo agoHe also later was a Nobel Peace Prize laureate. The targeting the British happened primarily during the holocaust when British were limiting Jewish migration (which has directly resulted in many many deaths). The history is complex and it is very easy to find reasons to dismiss people who lived through very difficult times and had to make very difficult choices.
- ratelimitsteve 11mo agohttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinian-prisoner-alleged-rape-sde-teinman-abuse-protest/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinia... Here is a member of the Knesset explicitly endorsing the anal rape of Palestinian prisoners
- user6466272 11mo agoLet's keep the political news out of HN. Way too much of this news is covered
- esalman 11mo agoYou can keep the politics out of tech. But can you keep the tech out of government overreach, politics, and terror?
- Daishiman 11mo ago25 years back when the political news about tech companies was related to intra/industry lobbying and monopoly questions that may have been a possibility. Tech companies are doing direct dealing with nation-states and being active participants in military policy. This is no longer possible.