7 ms·
Here in Russia it's a total clusterfuck at this point. 1) Roscomnadzor bans Twitter in Russia. 2) Russian embassy posts on Twitter claiming Mariupol hospital
by TestSIM1 5y ago
Here in Russia it's a total clusterfuck at this point.
1) Roscomnadzor bans Twitter in Russia.
2) Russian embassy posts on Twitter claiming Mariupol hospital bombing was faked.
It's like:
Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes.
Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.
- listless 5y agoIs banning effective? Can’t you just hop on a VPN and be done with it? Do they block that too?
- __s 5y agoIt's effective enough
- TestSIM1 5y agoSome VPN sites and apps (Google Play and App Store) are banned. Still for now getting a VPN isn't that hard.
- kurthr 5y agoYes, although it will "go down on your permanent record". As long as you don't post anything identifiable online or upset anyone, you probably won't be arrested.
- duxup 5y agoWell they want to reach the outside world so yeah they use Twitter and etc.
- lalaland1125 5y ago> Should we keep posting Russian proganda on Twitter? Also yes. Well, that propaganda is for foreign audiences. This is 100% consistent. You can believe the game is rigged, but still be forced to play.
- throwuxiytayq 5y agoOk, yes, correct. But either you're missing the parent poster's point or I'm missing yours.
- TestSIM1 5y agoBoth lalaland1125 and duxup are correct. It's for the Western audience. But my point was along the lines: Kremlin's bans Twitter since they can't control it in Russia (e.g. hard to remove content or prosecute the users.) And they still keep using it despite all their recent "fuck you West" rhetoric.
- kurthr 5y agoNote, this is exactly as true of Chinese media/propaganda (CGTN etc). They are all over Tiktok, Twitter, Youtube, Facebook etc... but if you see someone posting from there, you can assume that it is likely state sponsored. It is illegal for a national to use a VPN to access those sites, and dangerous to do so if it upsets anyone in power.
- trasz 5y agoNot true; everyone uses VPN. It’s as illegal as smoking weed in Berlin.
- chupasaurus 5y agoWell Russia doesn't penalize for use of VPNs yet
- lazide 5y agoGive it a few days
- chupasaurus 5y agoIt's been 5 years or so since the idea was mentioned in the parliament, but I've made an accent on the word "yet" for this reason.
- danielktdoranie 5y agoPretty sure Russia took responsibility for the hospital but my understanding is Russia claims their intelligence was 1.) it was no longer a functioning hospital and 2.) used as a base of operations for the fascist Azov Battalion... not that it didn't happen.
- schleck8 5y agoThey claimed they did not destroy the hospital at first and then shifted to calling it an Azov base afaik. Just like Lavrov yesterday claimed Russia hasn't actually invaded Ukraine.
- xdennis 5y agoHe said that Russia doesn't plan on invading any countries and that Russia hasn't even invaded Ukraine... which is very concerning for us in Romania.
- CoastalCoder 5y agoI'm very sorry for the situation you're in. Could you elaborate on your fears for Romania? Putin's attempt to annex Ukraine has been very damaging to Russia's economy and (I assume) its conventional military strength. Putin's actions also placed the rest of Europe on high alert. So even if Putin manages to secure control of eastern Ukraine, I assume it would take many years before Russia is strong enough to attempt another expansion. And I expect nearby countries would use that time very productively.
- lazide 5y agoTypically if the economy is collapsing during a military action like this, the gov’t has only two options: 1) stop (which in this situation would mean admitting that it was a bad idea/defeat, and almost certainly lead to Putin’s death and the collapse of the gov’t) Or 2) double down and switch to a military economy, using outside sanctions as proof that they were right and everyone else WAS out to get the country. Guess which one they seem to be doing? And if they successfully switch to us vs them’ing the entire world, they can’t let peace happen or folks will start thinking. They need a constant enemy.
- tablespoon 5y ago> It's like: > Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes. > Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes. That's entirely consistent. It just means (from their perspective) Twitter is for externally-facing propaganda. IIRC, nationalist Chinese diplomats, the Global Times editor, etc. are all active on Twitter for the same reason.
- deleted 5y ago[deleted]
- pyronik19 5y agoIt's curious as to why we don't treat western govt / media sources as "propaganda" but everything Russian is. I fully agree with the label, but its not being applied to the west. How long were western media just regurgitating that "biolabs" was "Russian disinformation" and writing "fact checks" which just parrot the official government narrative until they realized the Russians were going to capture them then they just admit it in an open hearing? I don't believe a word of what either side says. The moral superiority gap has shrunk to next to nothing.
- lalaland1125 5y agoThe implication that Ukrainian biolabs were developing bioweapons is Russian disinformation. There are biolabs in almost every country. Almost every university will have one for example. https://www.state.gov/the-kremlins-allegations-of-chemical-and-biological-weapons-laboratories-in-ukraine/ https://www.state.gov/the-kremlins-allegations-of-chemical-a... is the full US government statement. Which part do you think is inaccurate?
- pyronik19 5y agoHere you are perpetuating more western propaganda and potential misinformation. First of all the difference between a "biolab" and a "bioweapons lab" is a semantic difference without actual substance. If covid was released out of the wuhan lab, the now predominate theory, this wasn't a "bioweapons lab" but just a "biolab". What is the practical difference? Fact is, anyone performing research that could be used as a bioweapon doesn't actually call it a bioweapon. They just in practice do all the same things a bioweapons lab would and pretend its just "for defense". You say potato, I say potato.
- lalaland1125 5y agoDo you have any evidence that the biolabs in Ukraine were performing research that was oriented towards being usable as a weapon? Like what exactly is the claim here about that those labs were doing? Or do you just think any biolab should automatically be assumed to be working on bioweapons? (And that we should ban all biolabs worldwide I guess?)
- croes 5y ago1) ban for russian citizens 2) no ban for russian authorities. Simple as that. 1 is for in, 2 is for out
- mensetmanusman 5y agoWhat would happen if Twitter banned Russia in response to being banned… Good or bad decision?
- pessimizer 5y agoThis is normal. The US maintains multiple radio stations (for going on 75 years) that do not broadcast in the US. They often broadcast stuff that Americans would be shocked to hear, like: https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/u-s-government-broadcaster-apologizes-to-soros-for-multimillionaire-jew-report-1.6703988 https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/u-s-government-broadcaster-a... I think the reason historically here is that there is a prohibition on the CIA disseminating propaganda in the US, IIRC.
- CyanBird 5y agoVoice of America, RadioFarda, RadioSvoboda and RadioFreeAsia all are by law prohibited to publish their "news" to US public because these disinfo operations are aimed to foreign audiences