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I'd like to give kudos to Apple for including the iPhone 5S in this security update, which was released on September 20, 2013, over 7 years ago! Supporting a pr
by alewi481 6y ago
I'd like to give kudos to Apple for including the iPhone 5S in this security update, which was released on September 20, 2013, over 7 years ago! Supporting a product for even 3 years is rare in the smartphone world.
- ponker 6y agoThis is why Apple makes the cheapest smartphones, as long as you avoid dropping them.
- wnevets 6y agountil Apple throttles the hardware with their software updates [1] https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/13/21322867/apple-iphone-batterygate-throttling-slowdown-settlement-claims https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/13/21322867/apple-iphone-bat...
- hokumguru 6y agoWasn't the purpose of that throttling to extend the life of older phones? Throttling the CPU let them stay within the limits of the worn out battery and let the device continue to be used without crashing.
- wnevets 6y agoThat may have been their public explanation after being caught throttling the hardware.
- thebruce87m 6y agoYou just need to look at the evidence: * Only handsets with degraded batteries were throttled * Replacing the battery returned the handset to full speed * The only thing that changed after the fine was that you now have an option to stop the throttling and have unexpected reboots instead. * All iPhones since then, including brand new iPhone 12s will throttle when the battery degrades.
- Y-bar 6y agoIt was to extend the battery life, which was a workaround for the flawed battery design (contra CPU power draw). I bought an iPhone SE in the first month available and it started throttling by month 10, I'm not a battery designer, but I did not buy a device marketed as 2x the speed of 5S only for it to silently drop to 0.8x the speed of the 5S less than a year later.
- reaperducer 6y agothe flawed battery design I'm going to play the odds and guess that you're not a battery designer.
- mikestew 6y agoI wish they gave those odds in Vegas: OP said right there in their comment that they're not a battery designer. Now, granted, perhaps OP should have not run their fingers on the keyboard about topics they know little to nothing about...
- jeron 6y agoIn which they had a whole year of really cheap, highly subsidized battery replacements to correct their error. I think Apple should be forgiven for this
- ponker 6y agoI turned off this feature when they shipped the option and promptly turned it back on. I use Apple because they make reasonable decisions instead of requiring endless configuration, and they made the right decision here. The lawsuit feels like pure power politics... Apple can handle the cost, I don’t feel bad for them or anything, but I see it as a pure money grab rather than any culpability for Apple.
- wnevets 6y ago>I turned off this feature when they shipped the option and promptly turned it back on. They didn't add that option until AFTER being caught
- supernova87a 6y agoThis is just great, and you see why it's so hard to be a product manufacturer. Not only does the person not understand why it was done, and that it produced a phone that would be functional for longer lifetime than if it hadn't been implement, but he also continues spreading unhelpful information to others.
- wnevets 6y ago>but he also continues spreading unhelpful information to others. They were forced to pay over 500 Million Dollars for doing it
- supernova87a 6y agoThat doesn't mean the penalty made sense.
- thebruce87m 6y agoThey were forced to pay that for not saying that they were doing it. The feature still exists today. The brand new iPhone 12 will do the same thing on a degraded battery.
- als0 6y agoThe 5S is still the perfect iPhone.
- Tepix 6y agoIf the 5S is perfect, what's the iPhone SE (2016)?
- nbzso 6y agoThe last iPhone that I use.:)
- Tepix 6y agoI have one also. Love it as a secondary phone
- saagarjha 6y agoNot chamfered :(
- jdhawk 6y agosure they are, they're just matte finished.
- rosstex 6y agoMy current phone.
- gumby 6y agoThe price is definitely right -- cheaper than an upgrade!
- encom 6y agoThe last iPhone with proper headphone support.
- mikepurvis 6y ago
- namanaggarwal 6y agoAlso to Google for finding majority of them
- curt15 6y agoIf only Google could put this much effort into supporting its own Pixel devices, which stop getting updates to the base OS after just three years.
- dmitrygr 6y agoI promise you, people inside google are equally frustrated with this unjustifiable top-down decision. (am Xoogler)
- Polylactic_acid 6y agoI know a google dev who says they wouldn't trust the security of an Android phone as far as they could throw it.
- silly-silly 6y agoI know an apple dev who thinks the same about their product, lol.
- Shared404 6y agoDepending on your usecase, GrapheneOS may be of interest.
- Y-bar 6y agoWouldn't last official sale date be a better indicator of true device support? For example if someone bought it in an Apple store on the last day available, how long period would they have received updates for? For example in mid 2017 it was still officially sold by Apple in India (source: https://www.iphonehacks.com/2017/05/apple-iphone-5s-iphone-se-get-hefty-price-cuts-india.html https://www.iphonehacks.com/2017/05/apple-iphone-5s-iphone-s...).
- jtbayly 6y agoNo, because devices can be and sometimes are sold with software that is already out of date. The better indicator is how long software support is provided for a device from beginning to end.
- anamexis 6y agoWhy is that a better indicator? If I buy a new phone from the manufacturer and it's already unsupported, that's really bad. I don't care if it was supported for 8 years before I bought it.
- Jtsummers 6y agoHah. This bit us when I got my mother an iPhone SE (2016) to replace her iPhone 4 a year or so ago. I tried to restore from iCloud backup and it kept failing, and finally it dawned on me that the OS may have been out of date. Skipped the restore, updated the OS, and wiped the phone. The restore worked correctly.
- WrtCdEvrydy 6y agoOn the flip side, the Apple guys have a lot of patience to deal with my stubborn ass trying to activate an iPhone 4... the non-SIM servers were taken offline years ago so I popped in a SIM and off I went.
- Dahoon 6y agoSure but that doesn't change how long they supported after end of sale which wasn't in 2013 but at least until 2017. So ~3 years of software updates from end of sale. Still OK but not anything special.
- gcheong 6y agoSince this is a security update I think it’s more about support of an OS which is only 2 yrs old than the class of device as that class was supported with the initial iOS 12 release.
- evad3r 6y agoI think it's more a testament to the length of time they support their devices for.
- RotANobot 6y agoMy 8 (or 10?) year old AppleTV just got an update today. I was excited because the YouTube app pause function stopped working after the previous update a couple of weeks ago. Alas the problem remains.
- PopsiclePete 6y agoThis is what I try to explain when it comes to "why are you paying so much for Apple". Because when you buy a cheap Android phone from Xuoiamiaeoi or whatever, you get some custom crippled OS in god knows what ways in close to 0 long-term support from them.