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Ask HN: How much do you make at Facebook/Amazon/Apple/Netflix/Google/Microsoft?
There was a proper discussion on it about two years ago. Recently a similar thread was posted, but not to many response.
I do not work at any of the above. I work at a fintech company and make 80k + Bonus (Europe) with no equity (12 years experience, senior dev).
- Samaraz 9y agoIs there anyone who wouldn't mind sharing salary from Intel?
- cottrell 9y agoAnyone know of an open, semi-anonymized data sharing platform? Let's use that if so. If not exist, let's make.
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- goog_new_grad 9y agoRecent new grad that joined Google in the past few months. Total comp (base + bonus + stock + signing bonus amortized over 4 years) is 185k. Higher than expected because of recent stock increases & I negotiated with competing offers. TC next year will be closer to 200k. (throwaway account)
- mcherm 9y agoI don't feel like discussing my salary publicly. Have you considered checking glassdoor.com or other similar sources?
- 4k 9y agoI have. Like I said in the other comment, glassdoor (and similar sites) lump together salaries that were collected for as long as the site exists, while in reality the salaries have changed a lot over last 10 years. I respect your decision not wanting to discuss your salary publicly. May I suggest a throwaway? :)
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- Viker 9y agoWhy do people feel this way about their salaries. Always seemed to me that in the grand tottal we will be better off if we did discuss our salaries publicly. I make around 60k usd in a Scandinavian startup as a programmer with experience. What is so big deal about it
- mcherm 9y agoThere are two reasons. First: because it is socially unacceptable. In the US culture, talking about one's salary is taboo. It is rather as if someone were to post naked pictures. Sure, you are an enlightened person and you probably wouldn't hold it against them. Much. But you'd find it a bit weird. Americans try hard to hold to the illusion of a classless society and treating everyone equally, and hiding salary is an important way to do this. It also allows people to not feel cheated, if they don't realize that others are making more than they are. Secondly: because my company might not like it. US labor law actually REQUIRES that employees be permitted to discuss their salary with each other, which is why companies do not forbid discussing it, and to be clear: my company does NOT have any policy against discussing salary. But it is to the company's advantage to be a bit vague about salaries. Cynically one could say that this permits them to pay each individual the minimum they can get away with without having to deal with a sense that this is unfair. As a representative of my company, they would probably prefer that I talk about work conditions and company culture rather than specific numbers about the salary we pay.
- Cthulhu_ 9y agoI can think of a few reasons; probably the same why you shouldn't brag about being rich or winning the lottery. * Avoiding jealousy from people that might know the poster * Avoiding becoming a target for scammers or kidnappers Also why does HN not support basic formatting?
- doktrin 9y ago> Also why does HN not support basic formatting? I've always chalked it up to HN's unchanging, simple aesthetic and interface (or, "ain't broke, not fixing") You can block format with 4 spaces, but this isn't always ideal since it doesn't line wrap
- spraak 9y agoMake a throwaway then, same result as if you'd posted to Glassdoor
- AndrewDucker 9y agoGlassdoor is the place you want to go for this kind of information. You're not going to get anywhere near a large enough sample from a few comments on HN.
- 4k 9y agoThere is one major problem with glassdoor - the salaries that are collected today are grouped together with salaries that were collected 7 years ago. Which is why you always see lower salaries looking at the glassdoor. This post is to get a (however small) current sample and it is purely to help me evaluate a couple of opportunities, no commercial interest whatsoever.
- LandR 9y agoSalaries I see on Glass Door for Amazon for Scottish jobs are fairly accurate. A Developer will make anywhere between £35k and £50k depending on experience (this matches with what I saw when I was looking for a job a year ago)
- neospice 9y agoJust curious: That seems disproportionately low compared to US salaries. Is cost of living proportionately lower in Scotland?
- desarun 9y agoYes, yes it is. Unless it's Edinburgh in August due to the Fringe festival, where rents go past London levels.
- doktrin 9y agolower, but not proportionately lower Edinburgh vs. SF (~1.8x) : https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&city1=Edinburgh&country2=United+States&city2=San+Francisco%2C+CA https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou... Edinburgh vs. Seattle (~1.3x) : https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&city1=Edinburgh&country2=United+States&city2=Seattle%2C+WA&amount=1000&displayCurrency=USD https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou...
- kowdermeister 9y agoYou probably want to setup a form for this. You would get much more willingness to share anonymously. Also, which country in EU?
- 4k 9y agoI don't know, information shared in a comment has more authenticity and can encompass more info (such as other types of comps/benefits) than spreadsheet/form. And Ireland. :)
- hellbanner 9y agoJust not a Google form, lest they know which employees are discussing salaries
- joatmon-snoo 9y ago2016-2017 data from another tiny, absurdly biased forum: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NZLCpnaaKCMIb0OrKElEOcuuCKbG4zUggy2PNgJnYys/edit#gid=1723005296 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NZLCpnaaKCMIb0OrKElE... Also from said forum: https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/search?q=%5BOFFICIAL%5D+salary+sharing+thread+2017&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/search?q=%5BOFFIC...
- bootsz 9y agoThere's a lot of posts on HN related to this, some with links to spreadsheets of anonymized data: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14538984 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14538984 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15501158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15501158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11331223 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11331223
- johnvanommen 9y agoRead this: http://www.businessinsider.com/google-policy-to-pay-unfairly-2015-4 http://www.businessinsider.com/google-policy-to-pay-unfairly...
- ApplThwaway100 9y ago$160k, $105k RSUs over 4 years, $15k signing bonus - started half a year ago, currently have a little more than 5 years of experience as a software engineer.
- gigatexal 9y agoThat package is with what firm?
- doktrin 9y ago> ApplThwaway100 Apple, probably
- ApplThwaway100 9y agoYes. To clarify, I work in Cupertino, CA as well. Stock also had a nice bump too, jumped 10-20% since my vesting start date. I was hired at one level above entry level.
- gigatexal 9y agowhat's the life/balance if any like? is it super high stress like is reported?
- ApplThwaway100 9y agoI can’t speak for everywhere in the company, but my job is fairly relaxed. Good work-life balance, most collaborative work environment I’ve been in, and lots of autonomy. I did have a period of 2 months where I was working 80 hour weeks, but it was due to a very unique confluence of events including a reorg, and highly abnormal from my understanding, but I was rewarded for it by getting a couple of extra days off.
- gigatexal 9y agoYou probably can’t tell us but do you work on the mobile side of things or desktop or services or data science? Other?
- rndmswethrwawy 9y agoStaff SWE, Google Seattle. Total 2018 comp will be around 550k with a roughly 55/45 equity/cash split if GOOG shares remain constant. Historically they have typically gone up meaningfully over the course of any given year. The cash component includes base salary and bonus.
- checker659 9y agoIs Staff SWE different from regular SWE? What's the difference?
- 4k 9y agoIirc, staff SWE is Google's equivalent of Principal Engineer.
- gautam1168 9y agoOnly slightly related. Since many google employees will be here: How can I plan to land a job with google in 2 years if I have a physics masters and 1.5 years of web development + little exp. with other software stacks? I am trying to figure out a strategy to make it happen and I am willing to do anything, even go back to school. * How can I get an interview? It seems simply sending my resume through the online portal will not work because I don't have a stellar academic record or much experience. * How can I figure out what to apply for? I have experience in UI but does google even do that? I want to work at google because I want to work with the people there who are just the smartest people around. But I don't really care what I work on. * How and how long should I prepare for the interview? I am working through the Cormen's algorithms book but I don't really have a solid CS education. And I hear that they just want you to know everything. So should I just go back to school? * I have heard that one way is to participate and excel in coding competitions. Should I then focus my entire energy on this front? Or will this be misguided?
- 4k 9y agoOthers here would be in far better position to advice you, but from what I can say, having an awesome github portfolio will go a long way to compensate for the other handicaps you mentioned. Once you are there, I'd say the best way would be to find someone in your network who works at google, and get referred. If you don't know anyone, make contacts through various channels.
- xyzzyz 9y agoGithub portfolio might help one get the interview in the first place, but once you get your foot in the door, it is 99% useless. Hiring committee will only look at it if they are unable to give yes/no decision based on the data from the interviews. Preparing for interviews is much better strategy compared to creating stuff to post on Github.
- dominotw 9y ago> , having an awesome github portfolio will go a long way to compensate for the other handicaps you mentioned. Is this you personal experience? I know for a fact that almost no one I interviewed with bothered to look at github. Some even admitted that asking for github is just a formality and that they don't have time or resources to evaluate it objectively.
- Mitchhhs 9y agoCheck out https://www.transparentcareer.com https://www.transparentcareer.com you can filter by any function in the organization, educational background, years of experience, recency of data, etc. We tried to include as much granularity as possible to avoid the issues with glassdoor. After you sign up, navigate to the career explorer, you should be able to get the information you need without being required to add a ton of personal information. More information is required if you want to get to the highest levels of granularity.
- ziziyO 9y agoRequiring the education section is kinda silly given the number of people that haven't gone to college in the industry.
- ixtli 9y agoFor anyone reading this: contributing how much you make honestly empowers everyone in our field to bargain for themselves. The ability to bargain is orthogonal to the art of engineering afaict but is whats mostly responsible for how you are compensated for your labor.
- alanmessy 9y agoWhat about Stack Overflow's yearly survey? That's got a lot of people and has data for salaries by job and geography. It won't tell you where they're working, though. https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017#salary https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017#salary ETA: 5yrs exp, Dev III in logistics; $95K/year, ~$6k in stock, insurance fully paid by company.
- busterarm 9y ago"Senior Fullstack Dev" in NY at a non-tech company. Currently 100k + 5k (bonuses, i've gotten 20k bonuses here in the past but those days are gone). Roughly 35-40 hrs/week with only two week-long crunch times in about 3 years. I currently have offers for 135k + worthless equity (startup) and 110k (non tech company). Waiting to hear back about a Systems Engineer role offering in the 100-125k range (hot tech company). Part of changing gigs at the moment is to plan to take on additional work on the side to increase my compensation. Not possible in my current role. I started off making 60k as a developer and not even that long ago...proving value added 40k on to my salary quickly, but honestly I negotiated poorly. I left at least 25k on the table starting.
- gigatexal 9y agoEveryone needs to quit complaining about the sample size and the like and bringing up things like Glassdoor and just answer the prompt. The lack of transparency in salaries keeps us all at a disadvantage
- personatgoogle 9y agoSWE II [1], Google Cambridge, MA. I was hired in 2016 with a little under 2 years of professional experience, with total compensation of about $150k and a roughly 75/25 cash/equity split. The equity has risen in value significantly, the cash only slightly. [1]: I believe this is a relatively normal entry point for people either just out of school or with 1-2 years experience.
- chickenfries 9y agoDo you mind if I ask where you went to school? I would very much like to work in Cambridge but my experience with interviewing in Camberville is that I end up talking to people from MIT and similar schools. Or I don’t even get an email back. Which makes me feel like I just don’t have the credentials. Do you just have an undergrad or do you have another degree?
- personatgoogle 9y agoMy CS background before my first job was: Grew up interested in computers, learned a little BASIC. Took two intro CS courses during undergrad at an Ivy League school, but majored in the humanities. Years later, attended a bootcamp. None of this took place in MA.
- lawnchair_larry 9y agoGoogle does not have a degree requirement. Neither do most (all?) other tech companies. If you pass the Google interview, it doesn't matter one bit what school you went to, or if you went to school at all.
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- beegeezuz 9y agoWhat people generally forget about comparing salaries between US and EU is that even though salaries are advertised in gross in Europe you _will_ get paid nett, after taxes while in the US you won't. Once you deduct the "luxuries" you get with the EU tax from an american salary and consider living costs, you will see that there is really not that much of a difference if any. People don't compare like to like.
- hnthrowawayden 9y agoDenver, CO and not any of the big companies mentioned in the title. 34 years old, approx 7 years experience. MS stack. $125k plus annual bonus of approx $9-10k. 2019 hoping annual salary pushes the $135k mark.
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- busterarm 9y agoOne request here, can people include a rough estimate of how many hours they work weekly to add some perspective?
- 317070 9y agoLondon, 0 experience, have Phd. Google Research Scientist:90k£ base, 100k£ bonus and stock
- sage76 9y agoHow bad are the visa issues surrounding hiring of internationals who do Phd in the UK? Do you have any idea if smaller companies and govt research labs sponsor?
- 0xff78d4a4 9y agoSWE III (One level above new grad) in Boulder, CO with 4 years at Google: ~$225k total comp with 60/40 cash [Salary+Bonus]/equity. For reference, Google's ladder goes: SWE II -> SWE III -> Senior SWE -> Staff SWE -> Senior Staff SWE -> Principal -> Distinguished.
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- fooker 9y agoThis seems wrong. Google's starting position for full time employees is SWE III.
- rndmswethrwawy 9y agoThere's a difference between the numerical levels and the job titles.
- anonymous2018 9y agoW2 Contractor Senior Software Engineer, $85/hr, REACT/Rails Posting as anonymous. Regular HN user here. I work in Denver, Colorado at a TV company. I am a contractor through a local tech firm. I am making $85 an hour on a W2 open ended contract. Through my contracting company, I get access to 401k (no match), medical/dental/vision (company pays atleast 50%) and they send me to conferences/training. I really dig the gig, they treat me like an employee but pay me like a contractor. I tend to take 5-6 weeks of time off (unpaid) so I tend to make $160,000-165,000 at the end of the year. My background is about 10 years of tech experience. Working on React currently. CS degree.
- anonymous2018 9y agoI only work 40 hours a week
- mrep 9y agoIf you are interested in compensation numbers and have thick skin (its anonymous so there is a lot of racism/sexism/bullshitters/negative hostility and more), I recommend getting the mobile app blind as there is a ton of this information there. I will regurgitate some of that information here for you though. For level comparison at different companies, lots of people point to http://levels.fyi http://levels.fyi Here is a compensation poll for amazon employees only based on job title and level with 161 responses: https://goo.gl/V9QKHh https://goo.gl/V9QKHh The total compensation rages I have heard for Amazon are 145k for new grads, 170k-230k for SDE 2, 250k-350k for SDE 3, 400k-600k for principal engineers. There are 2 more levels after that but have not really seen any data for those levels. Here are Facebook's total compensation numbers quoted from "fmwf": E3: 107K-125 Salary, 40k stocks a year, 10% bonus. E4: 140k-160k Salary, 70k stocks a year, 10% bonus. E5: 170k-195k Salary, 120k stocks a year, 15% bonus. E6: 200k-220k Salary, 200k stocks a year, 20% bonus. All Facebook numbers assuming expected performance if you kill expectations you get more (25%-200% more shares).
- southphillyman 9y agoIs there a way for an outsider to figure out which level they would be slotted into if they passed the interview process? For instance if you are a "senior engineer" at an average company, would Google only interview you for Senior+ roles or could you potentially interview for any available job and be evaluated and hired as say SWE II or something?
- duckwheat 9y agoI'm at a gigantic (50k+ employees), soul-sucking company that is mostly nontechnical business consulting, working remote as a Software Architect from a borderline-BFE city. $105k + 150%ish 401k match up to 5% of pay + decent benefits. Supposedly some kind of bonus next month.
- pc86 9y agoIt would be nice if HN had a system to allow new accounts to post in threads like this without getting the "you're posting too fast" message on the first comment.
- kzisme 9y agoThis might sound silly, but to get a position at Google is it mostly experience or just white boarding practice? Is it possible to go from new grad -> first job -> Google? By that progression I mean what sort of background is required language/stack/etc aside from studying and practicing?
- aoeuasdf1 9y agoI make 290k total comp as a SWE III at Google. I would make around 240k if my initial stock grants hadn’t nearly doubled in value since I joined. I will probably actually make less money once my 4 year grant runs out, all things being equal. 5 years total experience.
- lawnchair_larry 9y agoAnyone who is reporting appreciated stock compensation is ruining the thread with inflated numbers. People who join today don't get a retroactive stock grant.
- softawre 9y agoI was paid in bitcoin in 2011, total comp in the billions ;)
- newgoogle 9y agoGoogle, swe 2, 2y prior experience, didn't finish degree, Bay area. 205k total, 45k from stock
- krapp 9y ago12.50 USD/hr. Hi from Amazon's shit tier.
- ask066941158 9y agoFB/Google figures here are mostly from the US, but can someone enlighten me on theirs UK offers? Particularly, Google/Dublin and Facebook/London - are they on the same level? Or 1.x less?
- lostmsu 9y agoSDE II Amazon Seattle, ~$200k total/y
- Redoubts 9y agoMaking about 320k/yr, with a 47:47:6 split between cash, stock, and bonus. 4 years with the company.
- superkitty 9y ago155K + 15K signing bonus + 25k yearly bonus+ some equity (10% of base salary/4 years = vesting)- Boston, MA Sr SWE
- austinengineer 9y agoIBM, Austin, TX, band 10 (Senior Technical Staff Member) Base salary: 190k / yr base salary, ~6k / yr performance bonus Equity Grant: ~$125k stock grant, vesting twice in four years, so ~$31k/yr stock presuming I stay for all four years So - total annual compensation (excluding healthcare benefits and our 6% 401k match) is about $216k annually.
- SmellTheGlove 9y agoYou and the other poster at Google in Boulder have probably found the sweet spot between comp and cost of living. Nice work!
- JofArnold 9y agoSomething I’d love someone to explain: in USA as in UK contract developers seem to be paid around $600-1000 a day with a few exceptions. In the UK this is higher than at least 95% of the permanent jobs I see - which is what you’d expect given you’re hiring an expert who is taking on some risk.... But in the USA (if the data in this post is to be believed) I’m seeing even inexperienced graduates earn more than experienced contractor devs. Is that right? Also, I’m curious; I read figures like $400-600k... Is that actual salary you see on your wage slip or wrapped up in that are things like healthcare that you never “see” normally? I’m curious because these figures are astonishingly high and I’m wondering 1) how on earth do startups find devs 2) how on earth there’s any developers over 30 when you can become a millionaire and retire early.