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The bigger factor is probably the global pandemic, economic degradation, looming nuclear winter, genocide, WW3, aliens, and singularity. Not to mention orange c
by Demiurge 1mo ago
The bigger factor is probably the global pandemic, economic degradation, looming nuclear winter, genocide, WW3, aliens, and singularity. Not to mention orange clowns. We have surpassed the Britney Spears controversy era. Unless the polar bears are going to invade DC and attack ICE, we might not hear much about the climate change until these other problems go away.
- ericmay 1mo agoAnd let’s also not forget, we all want the climate crises fixed, but nobody is willing to personally make any changes to their lifestyle! All parties are incentivized against fixing this problem.
- Ekaros 1mo agoThat is fundamentally the problem with whole thing. Vast majority of population on Earth is not ready for personal sacrifices needed. And if some government will get to around it, I am pretty sure they will be replaced and most things are rolled back. My guess is that we somehow end up geoengineering it with even more debt...
- inigyou 1mo agoThe majority of the population on earth goes with what's convenient. Which is something that can easily be influenced, even without banning any options
- glitchc 1mo agoWhy would they be when they see the hypocrisy of the chattering classes? How many celebrities or billionaires have curtailed their own lifestyles while pitching for climate change? Has the number of luxury jets and superyatches gone up or down over time? The average person may seem stupid but they are paying attention to the actions, and it all sounds like "I got mine, screw yours" to them.
- everdrive 1mo agoHypocrisy is really not as useful as people think. Imagine if some man, who beat his wife, made a career of talking about the important and harrowing issues of domestic abuse. People would rightly scratch their heads at such an over-the-top hypocrite. But surely, the man would be correct: domestic abuse is an important issue. And imagine a response from the peanut gallery? "I'm not going to stop beating my _own_ wife until that hypocrite gets his comeuppance!"
- rwmj 1mo agoWhat have luxury jets and superyachts got to do with the chattering classes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattering_classes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattering_classes
- inigyou 1mo agoGas stoves and ordinary jets do.
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- netsharc 1mo agoStandard tragedy of the commons behavior... And people in developing countries complain that "why should beef or jet vacations be taxed more, those Westerners got to enjoy it, and now when we want to enjoy it, it's suddenly bad?". And we rich Westerners think it's sacrifice to have to drive an EV or pay more for beef...
- nradov 1mo agoThe solution will have to come from growth and technical innovations, not personal sacrifice.
- ericmay 1mo agoI agree, because (and I'm being a bit flippant) I sure as hell am not giving up my gas stove while billionaires fly around in private jets and MAGA guys are coal-rolling in their F-250s... It seems to me that carbon capture technology plus renewables and nuclear + dream energy (fission) will be the future but we're probably not going to go off of fossil fuels much, which will necessitate in part the need to suck this stuff out of the atmosphere.
- K0balt 1mo agoCO2 capture and planetary albedo management are going to be the only way. For cO2 capture to be meaningful, we need to increase our planetary energy production by 2 or 3x so we can put that energy into sequestration, and obviously those gains cannot be based on fossil fuels. Albedo management is much faster to roll out, but will have a lot of pushback because it will also create locally undesirable outcomes. The tipping point is one bad summer. Photosynthesis stops at 40-45c (some plants like cactuses can do night processing based on stored energy, but staple crops don’t do that). If we have just one bad summer, billions will die. Civilization is perpetually just a week or two without food for 30 percent of the population away from complete collapse, and it takes thousands of years of stable conditions to recreate. If we have a bad summer in the northern hemisphere, we could easily lose the capability to sequester carbon or manage planetary albedo in a meaningful way. Stopping emissions is not a solution at this point, we are already way too deep in self reinforcing methane loops for that to even be the primary factor in warming acceleration. It’s an inconvenient truth, to be sure.
- polotics 1mo agoJust in case if not aware yet: read Termination Shock, a Novel by Neal Stephenson
- tim-star 1mo agoat the end of the day 'personal changes' as a fix for climate change are just another lie big corporations fed us to make it feel like the onus was on a personal level. the amount of co2 that industries pollute and that various regulation would be able to change is multiple orders of magnitude compared to regular personal responsibility.
- Robotbeat 1mo agoI mean, in the real world, people will just vote out politicians who raise their gas prices.
- inigyou 1mo agoDoesn't seem to have worked this time.
- pingou 1mo agoWho do these corporations pollute for? Isn't it for individuals?
- inigyou 1mo agoWho benefits from a corporation? Is it the customers, the workers or the owners?
- hnaccount19293 1mo agoIn many cases, it's all three.
- fsflover 1mo agoBut not equally.
- hnaccount19293 1mo ago