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Isn’t it just hilarious that a model that seemed so superior to Fable but didn't get doomsay marketing from Anthropic got released without any issues? In theory

Isn’t it just hilarious that a model that seemed so superior to Fable but didn't get doomsay marketing from Anthropic got released without any issues? In theory, this was supposed to be AGI level according to Anthropic, yet here we are, just a normal Friday.

websap 2mo ago
Fable established the frontier, this is just catching up.
impulser_ 2mo ago
Go read the safeguards section in the report and you will realize why that is. These models are heavily as safeguarded and that was the initial reason why they said they couldn't and haven't released Mythos because that model is the one without the safeguards. OpenAI is did the same thing when they announced a model without safeguards broken into HuggingFace servers.
- HyperL0gi 2mo ago
  Yes, this makes a lot of sense, but it’s just very amusing to see. 2 months ago, the world was about to end, now not so much.
  - neuronexmachina 2mo ago
    Do you have an example of the "doomsday marketing" you're referring to?
    - HyperL0gi 2mo ago
      - https://www.anthropic.com/research/glasswing-initial-update https://www.anthropic.com/research/glasswing-initial-update - https://www.axios.com/2026/04/08/anthropic-mythos-model-ai-cyberattack-warning https://www.axios.com/2026/04/08/anthropic-mythos-model-ai-c... - https://www.axios.com/2026/04/07/anthropic-mythos-preview-cybersecurity-risks https://www.axios.com/2026/04/07/anthropic-mythos-preview-cy... - https://www.businessinsider.com/anthropic-mythos-latest-ai-model-too-powerful-to-be-released-2026-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/anthropic-mythos-latest-ai-m... - https://www.reuters.com/world/anthropic-ceo-dario-amodei-arrives-white-house-talks-2026-04-17 https://www.reuters.com/world/anthropic-ceo-dario-amodei-arr...
      - NichoPaolucci 2mo ago
        Absolute masterpiece of a rebuttal. No notes.
      - johnfn 2mo ago
        I see a pretty big gap between finding software vulnerabilities and “the world is about to end”. It is literally true that AI models are finding software vulnerabilities. It is also to my mind a reasonable thing that you’d want to be cautious about rolling out a model that can find more vulnerabilities. So what is the objection you have to these sources?
  - knuppar 2mo ago
    feels almost like anthropic is desperate for ipo huh i think we'll see one of the fastest deflations in history post anthropic/oai ipo
    - jetsetk 2mo ago
      could you elaborate please?
      - knuppar 2mo ago
        both companies have large spending commitments while their margins will be continuously wiped by open models / router-like solutions. both companies are rushing for ipo and doing an awful lot of financial engineering to look good (highly recommend ed zitrons analysis on anthropic profitability) before their margins are eroded that much.
  - baq 2mo ago
    Have you been patching your systems for the past two months? It was crazy even if you completely forget the supply chain literal FUBARs and you must’ve been living under a rock to not see OpenAI (accidentally) pwning hugging face
  - dzonga 2mo ago
    I realized it a why back these labs are selling hype. since then I have never cared about models except those that affect money in my pocket e.g AWS Nova Sonic
  - K0nserv 2mo ago
    7+ years ago GPT2 couldn’t be released because it was deemed too dangerous[0]. It was, of course, eventually released. 0: https://openai.com/index/better-language-models/ https://openai.com/index/better-language-models/
    - jgilias 2mo ago
      It’s seven years already. Crazy.
      - reciprocity 2mo ago
        Yes, I think so too.
    - SatvikBeri 2mo ago
      > We can also imagine the application of these models for malicious purposes , including the following (or other applications we can’t yet anticipate): * Generate misleading news articles * Impersonate others online * Automate the production of abusive or faked content to post on social media * Automate the production of spam/phishing content Seems like the prediction was pretty accurate.
    - OkWing99 2mo ago
      Dario Amodei is one of the authors of the paper. He used the same marketing tactic with Anthropic, and got flagged by US Gov.
  - reducesuffering 2mo ago
    > now not so much OpenAI Huggingface breach begs to differ
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bottlepalm 2mo ago
So unless doomsday actually happens then you're unhappy with the warning - is that right? You see false promises of apocalypse as marketing?
- HyperL0gi 2mo ago
  My point is why the sudden change in tone? I’m not dismissing the models’ capabilities.
  - MostlyStable 2mo ago
    As they explicitly say, Opus 5 is ~ equally capable as Mythos/Fable at finding vulnerabilities, but it is much less capable at exploiting those vulnerabilities on it's own. That is an extremely meaningful difference and to me completely explains the difference in tone, release style etc.
- emp17344 2mo ago
  It’s either advertising, or they’re idiots, because the apocalypse keeps not happening. Either way, it’s not worth listening to them.
  - pixl97 2mo ago
    Exxon: "The exceptionally explosive refinery beside your house has not exploded because of our safety culture and protection protocols" Emp: "what a bunch of lies, I bet they don't even do anything over there"
efficax 2mo ago
I feel like i've seen less hype about "the next model will be agi". GPT-6 is supposed to be coming this summer, and nobody is expecting AGI now. Not sure how they're going to keep the hype cycle going
- SubiculumCode 2mo ago
  It's already happened but no one wants to admit it
  - nananana9 2mo ago
    We can start having this conversation when it's able to do at least 20% of the work that I have to do.
- skohan 2mo ago
  Yes 18 months ago it seemed like AGI was being promised every other week, and now I don't see any of those headlines.
- vl 2mo ago
  Or another way to see it is that current models are AGI as it was defined before, and the goal post is being moved.
  - efficax 2mo ago
    they are definitely not agi as it was ever defined. they’re only a bit more capable than they were a year ago. they crossed over from interesting crap to useful tool recently but really only for software
    - scrollaway 2mo ago
      You have short memory if you think we've not blown past at least 5 different AGI goalposts. They're being moved every time and we're hitting them every time. Or maybe you just don't know exactly how capable these models are. Most people's experience of AI is a stupid chatbot, it's no wonder they don't understand how these things are coming for their jobs. On my end, I have a software that is designed and built by Claude, that I did a strategy session on (with claude), and prepared a fundraise for (with claude). My only role, other than "knowing what to aim for", has been to feed the AI some fairly basic english prompts for a few weeks... which is also easily automatable. Everyone's job is fucked. Devs, CEOs, everyone.
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websap 2mo ago

Fable established the frontier, this is just catching up.

impulser_ 2mo ago

Go read the safeguards section in the report and you will realize why that is. These models are heavily as safeguarded and that was the initial reason why they said they couldn't and haven't released Mythos because that model is the one without the safeguards. OpenAI is did the same thing when they announced a model without safeguards broken into HuggingFace servers.

HyperL0gi 2mo ago
Yes, this makes a lot of sense, but it’s just very amusing to see. 2 months ago, the world was about to end, now not so much.
- neuronexmachina 2mo ago
  Do you have an example of the "doomsday marketing" you're referring to?
  - HyperL0gi 2mo ago
    - https://www.anthropic.com/research/glasswing-initial-update https://www.anthropic.com/research/glasswing-initial-update - https://www.axios.com/2026/04/08/anthropic-mythos-model-ai-cyberattack-warning https://www.axios.com/2026/04/08/anthropic-mythos-model-ai-c... - https://www.axios.com/2026/04/07/anthropic-mythos-preview-cybersecurity-risks https://www.axios.com/2026/04/07/anthropic-mythos-preview-cy... - https://www.businessinsider.com/anthropic-mythos-latest-ai-model-too-powerful-to-be-released-2026-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/anthropic-mythos-latest-ai-m... - https://www.reuters.com/world/anthropic-ceo-dario-amodei-arrives-white-house-talks-2026-04-17 https://www.reuters.com/world/anthropic-ceo-dario-amodei-arr...
    - NichoPaolucci 2mo ago
      Absolute masterpiece of a rebuttal. No notes.
    - johnfn 2mo ago
      I see a pretty big gap between finding software vulnerabilities and “the world is about to end”. It is literally true that AI models are finding software vulnerabilities. It is also to my mind a reasonable thing that you’d want to be cautious about rolling out a model that can find more vulnerabilities. So what is the objection you have to these sources?
- knuppar 2mo ago
  feels almost like anthropic is desperate for ipo huh i think we'll see one of the fastest deflations in history post anthropic/oai ipo
  - jetsetk 2mo ago
    could you elaborate please?
    - knuppar 2mo ago
      both companies have large spending commitments while their margins will be continuously wiped by open models / router-like solutions. both companies are rushing for ipo and doing an awful lot of financial engineering to look good (highly recommend ed zitrons analysis on anthropic profitability) before their margins are eroded that much.
- baq 2mo ago
  Have you been patching your systems for the past two months? It was crazy even if you completely forget the supply chain literal FUBARs and you must’ve been living under a rock to not see OpenAI (accidentally) pwning hugging face
- dzonga 2mo ago
  I realized it a why back these labs are selling hype. since then I have never cared about models except those that affect money in my pocket e.g AWS Nova Sonic
- K0nserv 2mo ago
  7+ years ago GPT2 couldn’t be released because it was deemed too dangerous[0]. It was, of course, eventually released. 0: https://openai.com/index/better-language-models/ https://openai.com/index/better-language-models/
  - jgilias 2mo ago
    It’s seven years already. Crazy.
    - reciprocity 2mo ago
      Yes, I think so too.
  - SatvikBeri 2mo ago
    > We can also imagine the application of these models for malicious purposes , including the following (or other applications we can’t yet anticipate): * Generate misleading news articles * Impersonate others online * Automate the production of abusive or faked content to post on social media * Automate the production of spam/phishing content Seems like the prediction was pretty accurate.
  - OkWing99 2mo ago
    Dario Amodei is one of the authors of the paper. He used the same marketing tactic with Anthropic, and got flagged by US Gov.
- reducesuffering 2mo ago
  > now not so much OpenAI Huggingface breach begs to differ

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bottlepalm 2mo ago

So unless doomsday actually happens then you're unhappy with the warning - is that right? You see false promises of apocalypse as marketing?

HyperL0gi 2mo ago
My point is why the sudden change in tone? I’m not dismissing the models’ capabilities.
- MostlyStable 2mo ago
  As they explicitly say, Opus 5 is ~ equally capable as Mythos/Fable at finding vulnerabilities, but it is much less capable at exploiting those vulnerabilities on it's own. That is an extremely meaningful difference and to me completely explains the difference in tone, release style etc.
emp17344 2mo ago
It’s either advertising, or they’re idiots, because the apocalypse keeps not happening. Either way, it’s not worth listening to them.
- pixl97 2mo ago
  Exxon: "The exceptionally explosive refinery beside your house has not exploded because of our safety culture and protection protocols" Emp: "what a bunch of lies, I bet they don't even do anything over there"

efficax 2mo ago

I feel like i've seen less hype about "the next model will be agi". GPT-6 is supposed to be coming this summer, and nobody is expecting AGI now. Not sure how they're going to keep the hype cycle going

SubiculumCode 2mo ago
It's already happened but no one wants to admit it
- nananana9 2mo ago
  We can start having this conversation when it's able to do at least 20% of the work that I have to do.
skohan 2mo ago
Yes 18 months ago it seemed like AGI was being promised every other week, and now I don't see any of those headlines.
vl 2mo ago
Or another way to see it is that current models are AGI as it was defined before, and the goal post is being moved.
- efficax 2mo ago
  they are definitely not agi as it was ever defined. they’re only a bit more capable than they were a year ago. they crossed over from interesting crap to useful tool recently but really only for software
  - scrollaway 2mo ago
    You have short memory if you think we've not blown past at least 5 different AGI goalposts. They're being moved every time and we're hitting them every time. Or maybe you just don't know exactly how capable these models are. Most people's experience of AI is a stupid chatbot, it's no wonder they don't understand how these things are coming for their jobs. On my end, I have a software that is designed and built by Claude, that I did a strategy session on (with claude), and prepared a fundraise for (with claude). My only role, other than "knowing what to aim for", has been to feed the AI some fairly basic english prompts for a few weeks... which is also easily automatable. Everyone's job is fucked. Devs, CEOs, everyone.

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