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Lol. A data center is no more than a industrial bread bakery (oddly specific i know). The entire anti-data US center is ran by China. EG. You can run a rack of

Lol. A data center is no more than a industrial bread bakery (oddly specific i know). The entire anti-data US center is ran by China. EG. You can run a rack of servers in your closet. China is doing a great job.

trollbridge 2mo ago
Are you sure about that? I can't think of any bread bakeries pulling 2.2 gigawatts, which is us-east-1 pulls.
- cpburns2009 2mo ago
  If you're complaining about us-east-1, you either moved into its backyard or didn't know it existed there for 20 years.
  - dylan604 2mo ago
    Don't think there was a complaint as you're interpreting. It was just an example of known power usage.
  - trollbridge 2mo ago
    I’m in -3’s future backyard, but -1 has been there a while and is kind of the archetype of what a gigawatt facility looks like (the 2.2GW is spread across quite a few AZs, to be fair).
- linksnapzz 2mo ago
  There are industrial bakeries that burn that much natural gas (powerwise); although the bakery probably smells better.
  - maccard 2mo ago
    What bakery are you thinking of that pulls the equivalent of a mid sized nuclear power plant? Because you’re off by an order of magnitude I think. (2.2MW maybe)
    - linksnapzz 2mo ago
      I suspect the Nabisco plant in Chicago pulls about ~12 million therms worth of natural gas, at 30kwh per therm, that's pretty significant.
      - NohatCoder 2mo ago
        You "suspect", but your suspicion comes with a unit of energy, which simply does not make sense in the context. The rest of us are talking about effect.
        linksnapzz 2mo ago
        Shrug You asked about energy usage; but I have no idea as to how that bakery's natural gas usage affects the people surrounding it. The smell of freshly baked fig newtons might offset the possible increased cost of gas-per-cubic-foot.
        NohatCoder 2mo ago
        I guess we can go the long way round. How often does the bakery use 12 million therms of natural gas?
        8note 2mo ago
        ok, but like, my stove uses some therms of natural gas, but its not at all comparable in terms of scale to a data center. what makes this bakery comparable in terms of energy usage and pollution?
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      - maccard 2mo ago
        A quick google says that the entire city of Chicago draws about 3.4GW - are you saying that one bakery uses over 2/3 of the draw of the entire city?
  - dylan604 2mo ago
    I can attest for the smells better. Now, I'm left wondering which smells worse, an AI datacenter or a large beer brewery. As a kid, we had a Mrs. Baird's bread bakery which was in the heart of town that students would take field trips to see (which is no longer there and is now apartments). On the other side of town is a Budweiser plant, and it's infamous for being so odorific but it is located way the hell out there.
    - linksnapzz 2mo ago
      Yeah; an industrial brewery could smell off at times. But the ppl going on about datacenters as though it’s like a pulp mill or iron foundry relocating to your neighborhood are a little much.
      - dylan604 2mo ago
        I used to work nextdoor to the broadcast headquarters to an old sports cable network and their satellite uplinks. They had several diesel generators on site to ensure power never went down else their entire network went dark. If power was lost, they had batteries for immediate power that lasted long enough for the generators to kick in. When the generators kicked in, it went from being a nice quiet area to being in the parking lot of a truck stop with all of the engines running. If these new datacenters are powering themselves with generators, then yeah, I'd not want them to be around me either. I think your ire at the discussion is pointed in the wrong direction.
rsoto2 2mo ago
Lol the entire pro-data US center is ran by elon musk and the other cronies that bribed the Trump admin to let them violate the clean air act. They use gullible losers that will swallow their propaganda whole and promise them "AGI."
Natfan 2mo ago
https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo
unethical_ban 2mo ago
Adversaries are happy to rule up democracies in any way possible, and it is foolish to think that there are zero concerns about placement of AI datacenters.
redlewel 2mo ago
You need cooling, power, and at the data center I used to work at they literally ran out of power and couldn't get any more from the city. They actually built a new building in the parking lot so they had cause to request more power

trollbridge 2mo ago

Are you sure about that? I can't think of any bread bakeries pulling 2.2 gigawatts, which is us-east-1 pulls.

cpburns2009 2mo ago
If you're complaining about us-east-1, you either moved into its backyard or didn't know it existed there for 20 years.
- dylan604 2mo ago
  Don't think there was a complaint as you're interpreting. It was just an example of known power usage.
- trollbridge 2mo ago
  I’m in -3’s future backyard, but -1 has been there a while and is kind of the archetype of what a gigawatt facility looks like (the 2.2GW is spread across quite a few AZs, to be fair).
linksnapzz 2mo ago
There are industrial bakeries that burn that much natural gas (powerwise); although the bakery probably smells better.
- maccard 2mo ago
  What bakery are you thinking of that pulls the equivalent of a mid sized nuclear power plant? Because you’re off by an order of magnitude I think. (2.2MW maybe)
  - linksnapzz 2mo ago
    I suspect the Nabisco plant in Chicago pulls about ~12 million therms worth of natural gas, at 30kwh per therm, that's pretty significant.
    - NohatCoder 2mo ago
      You "suspect", but your suspicion comes with a unit of energy, which simply does not make sense in the context. The rest of us are talking about effect.
      - linksnapzz 2mo ago
        Shrug You asked about energy usage; but I have no idea as to how that bakery's natural gas usage affects the people surrounding it. The smell of freshly baked fig newtons might offset the possible increased cost of gas-per-cubic-foot.
        NohatCoder 2mo ago
        I guess we can go the long way round. How often does the bakery use 12 million therms of natural gas?
        8note 2mo ago
        ok, but like, my stove uses some therms of natural gas, but its not at all comparable in terms of scale to a data center. what makes this bakery comparable in terms of energy usage and pollution?
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    - maccard 2mo ago
      A quick google says that the entire city of Chicago draws about 3.4GW - are you saying that one bakery uses over 2/3 of the draw of the entire city?
- dylan604 2mo ago
  I can attest for the smells better. Now, I'm left wondering which smells worse, an AI datacenter or a large beer brewery. As a kid, we had a Mrs. Baird's bread bakery which was in the heart of town that students would take field trips to see (which is no longer there and is now apartments). On the other side of town is a Budweiser plant, and it's infamous for being so odorific but it is located way the hell out there.
  - linksnapzz 2mo ago
    Yeah; an industrial brewery could smell off at times. But the ppl going on about datacenters as though it’s like a pulp mill or iron foundry relocating to your neighborhood are a little much.
    - dylan604 2mo ago
      I used to work nextdoor to the broadcast headquarters to an old sports cable network and their satellite uplinks. They had several diesel generators on site to ensure power never went down else their entire network went dark. If power was lost, they had batteries for immediate power that lasted long enough for the generators to kick in. When the generators kicked in, it went from being a nice quiet area to being in the parking lot of a truck stop with all of the engines running. If these new datacenters are powering themselves with generators, then yeah, I'd not want them to be around me either. I think your ire at the discussion is pointed in the wrong direction.

rsoto2 2mo ago

Lol the entire pro-data US center is ran by elon musk and the other cronies that bribed the Trump admin to let them violate the clean air act. They use gullible losers that will swallow their propaganda whole and promise them "AGI."

Natfan 2mo ago

https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo

unethical_ban 2mo ago

Adversaries are happy to rule up democracies in any way possible, and it is foolish to think that there are zero concerns about placement of AI datacenters.

redlewel 2mo ago

You need cooling, power, and at the data center I used to work at they literally ran out of power and couldn't get any more from the city. They actually built a new building in the parking lot so they had cause to request more power