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Who cares what Zuckerberg says about AI agents? He is a PHP developer from the early '00s who got lucky with Facebook. He's not an AI scientist or an AI researc
by andreygrehov 2mo ago
Who cares what Zuckerberg says about AI agents? He is a PHP developer from the early '00s who got lucky with Facebook. He's not an AI scientist or an AI researcher. What authority does he have to speak on the future of AI agents? Morale at his company is at an ATL, and that says more about his leadership skills he'd better off focusing on, otherwise the agents might replace him soon.
- 1970-01-01 2mo agoHe didn't "get lucky" with Facebook. He put in the time and effort to build, dropping out of Harvard, etc. It's all very well documented.
- dbuser99 2mo agoYea he only runs one of the biggest technology companies in the world.
- 5701652400 2mo ago1 ex-PHP-dev CEO != 100,000+ SWEs who actually build technology of FB/Meta/IG/Whasapp
- bigbuppo 2mo agoYou are correct. An individual developer's narrowly-scoped view of their work is not the same as an executive's view of the entire business.
- 5701652400 2mo agowhat does "runs" actually mean? zoom calls from his private Hawai island to a bunch of buddies other C-level execs?
- lazide 2mo agoIt means he has a controlling share over the money and all the power. This thread is bizarre. He can run the day to day string pulling however he wants, he is literally the one with all the power.
- ToValueFunfetti 2mo agoTrump, Musk, Andreessen, Thiel, Biden, and Bankman-Fried all have or had a lot of power, and I would look to none of them if I wanted to get a better understanding of reality. If anything, I expect this kind of skin in the game to be strongly anticorrelated with providing useful takes; these are the people with the greatest incentives to mislead the public.
- GlacierFox 2mo agoIs it bizarre? Or is it you surrealist line of thinking here? What's your angle here? Man with power and money == A cornerstone knowledge base if you want know anything about AI? Wtf.
- lazide 2mo agoThe question was, ‘who is in charge’, not ‘who I think should be, if it was my money’. Y’all are delusional. If you think they’re idiots, go start your own companies and eat their lunch. They got rich by eating someone else’s lunch, after all. Right now, it is their game to lose.
- zyngaro 2mo agoA what ?
- throw-qqqqq 2mo ago> He's not an AI scientist or an AI researcher Perhaps he employs some, you know, to inform him on the topic?
- tmule 2mo agoThe same folks who informed him about how awesome Behemoth was?
- throw-qqqqq 2mo agoSnide remarks, both of you :) My point was not that Meta has the best AI researchers/engineers. My point was it should not matter if Zuck is a PHP developer or whatever, instead of an AI researcher, as he employs a lot of people with those exact skills. I made no comment about how Meta is doing in the AI race, so it’s a bit besides the point IMO, but you did make me smile :)
- tmule 2mo agoI worked at Meta for roughly a decade, and have very little faith left in its leadership. I’m waiting for someone to play the child in The Emperor’s New Clothes and finally say the obvious out loud … to Emperor Zuck himself.
- KellyCriterion 2mo ago...and the same people who informed him about this Metaverse-Trend-thingy :-D
- everdrive 2mo agoI don't like Zuckerberg whatsoever, but there are plenty of reasons you could potentially care about his opinion: - He could be well-placed to see whether AI agent development is successful since at a high level he oversees much of it, and will be getting detailed metrics and things. - Whether or not his opinion is correct, tech CEOs are notorious trend-chasers, and his opinion could set the tone for other companies. - He himself might even be a trend-follower in this case, and is presiding over an early dialing-back of AI-hype.
- doubleorseven 2mo ago- Whether or not his opinion is correct, tech CEOs are notorious trend-chasers, and his opinion could set the tone for other companies exactly why I won't listen to someone who is falling behind.
- rh94 2mo agoMy thoughts exactly. I think he is well positioned to see edge of ai tech as the money he spent (if allocated well) could give him bit more insights. Although questionoble how much he is still able with his background to understand, I don’t think he is as much engineer as he was used to be
- cafebabbe 2mo agoHonest question, is there a single successful large investment made by Meta recently ? I just know about the abject failures :)
- Der_Einzige 2mo agoRayban glasses with the HUD in your eyeglass will go mainstream when they get a 10 hr battery instead of the 1.5 hr battery of today.
- swader999 2mo agoMaybe the glasses. After other companies have failed, they may have something here.
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- geriatricguy 2mo agoThe cold hard reality is that, despite the attempt at creating a cult of personality around the man, he's far further along his journey of computer science than being a php dev from 2 decades ago. Boiling down his credentials to being simply a dev from a bygone era is hilarious On that note, does anyone have the authority to speak about AI agents that would satisfy your requirements? It's not exactly quantum chromodynamics, it's glorified automation that costs a lot more and does it poorly.
- mondainx 2mo agoNice take, but aside from all this, I think he could whoop Elon's butt in a fight.. lol
- happyPersonR 2mo agoThe most correct opinion No disrespect to anyone that worked or works at meta: We can build a better version of his whole platform in 30 mins.
- Quarrelsome 2mo agoat that scale? They serve an awful lot of requests, so I don't think 30m will cover it.
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- ahartmetz 2mo agoHe's incredibly rich. Americans greatly respect rich people, the richer the more respect. It's apparently a bizarre reinterpretation/misunderstanding of Calvinism.
- sesteel 2mo agoThe respect only goes as far as to listen to what they have to say. We navigate our experience based on the whims of the rich so it helps to know what they are thinking, but it certainly doesn't confer much respect. Most are completely out of touch.
- ahartmetz 2mo agoI trolled there, with a kernel of truth. The neutral version is that wealth is a contributor to respect that's unusually strong in the US and I do think that it goes back to Calvinism.
- ofjcihen 2mo agoI like that the most sober thing a CEO has said in a long time is getting the “who cares what CEOs think?” treatment.
- Analemma_ 2mo agoI'd say that about several other CEOs too if their fanboys wouldn't jump down my throat about it. Zuckerberg is just universally unpopular enough that you can get away with it
- throwaway27448 2mo agoWhat is a popular CEO? They're generally untrustworthy people.
- HWR_14 2mo agoSteve Jobs was. Elon Musk is. Outside of tech Warren Buffett seems popular.
- jurip 2mo agoI don't know what the baseline is for CEO popularity (I guess most people don't know that many CEOs by name?) but I'd be hard-pressed to call a 37/50 favorable/unfavorable ratio popular: https://www.natesilver.net/p/elon-musk-polls-popularity-nate-silver-bulletin https://www.natesilver.net/p/elon-musk-polls-popularity-nate...
- HWR_14 2mo agoMaybe he's no longer popular, but he had a cameo in Iron Man 2 and hosted SNL. That speaks to popularity. Also, is favorable/unfavorable a good measure of popularity?
- frenchtoast8 2mo agoGabe Newell (president, not CEO) comes to mind
- cyphar 2mo agoBe honest, in the counterfactual where he had said that "AI" agents are the next industrial revolution and there is no future for human skills and so on -- would you have still valued his opinion as being effectively worthless?
- felipellrocha 2mo agoThis comment reads so angry only because the OP doesn’t like what they read
- throwawayffffas 2mo agoHe leads a Trillion dollar company that employs a lot of AI scientists and researchers.
- throwaway27448 2mo agoI really wish people would stop using market cap as a standin for value. Investors are incredibly stupid. Meta has actual revenue to point at.
- throwawayffffas 2mo agoIt's a concrete measure of available resources. More so than revenue.
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- throwaway27448 2mo agoIt is precisely the opposite of a concrete measure of anything but investor valuation. Investor valuation (or even just asset value, for that matter) doesn't have much weight when figuring out how seriously to take a CEO's words. Revenue at least has a modicum of signal of competency.
- throwawayffffas 2mo agoInvestor valuation directly correlates to capital availability both in the sense of available capital to be raised in the market and as credit lines. And this is Meta we are talking about not Tesla, it's P/E is like 20 something. The valuation is very reasonably correlated to the earnings.
- 1minusp 2mo agoEven if zero net new insight, he has access to information on most things, not just AI, that the layperson might never have, even in the future. Not intended as praise at all (i'd say this is true for a lot of C-level in a lot of big companies).
- dominotw 2mo agounlike sam altman who basically invented the transfomer
- scrollop 2mo agoI thought that he invented the computer chip?
- seviu 2mo agoAll this is happening because many Silicon Valley CEOs are totally disconnected from humanity. I actually dont think Mark even sees his employees as human beings but rather as training data from a future where AI agents will just replace most of his workforce. Regardless of wether this is right or wrong, and not even getting into the correctness of such claims, the fact is that he fired 10000 employees, from what used to be, from the outside, an engineering first company. And he sent hints to the market that more layoffs would come as agents become better. The first problem is: it looks we still need human beings, AI is great, but its not as awesome as we initially thought. The second problem is: all people who can leave are leaving, and those who can't are looking for a job. Humans, we need stability, a steady flow of income, and joy in what we do. By firing people and putting them in permanent observation, for an AI that will replace them, he is destroying any reason anybody would ever want to work for such a company. Mark would make a great Lumon CEO
- khurs 2mo ago>Who cares He spoke at an internal town hall for Meta. His employees care...
- ActionHank 2mo agoThose who've made AI their entire personality really do seem to lack the emotional fortitude to deal with someone else having an opinion. I'm anti Zuck, but it's mostly because he's a lizard man with no morals. You are anti Zuck because he's mentioned that the promise of AI isn't going to the moon as promised. We are not the same.
- TimTheTinker 2mo ago> He is a PHP developer from the early '00s who got lucky with Facebook Nice summary of a good hacker's viewpoint. All his money, power, and other non-technical signals don't really give him the technical authority to weigh on what really makes a technical difference. That being said, depending on how good information-sharing is at the company, he might have a valuable perspective. But given that morale is low, it's doubtful that engineers feel free to tell the straight unvarnished truth without fear. And in typical large-company fashion, managers above them likely spin things positively as much as possible.
- pjmlp 2mo agoUnfortunately all that money also made React and Next.js a reality.