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Yes, exactly! Also forced EU voters to consider how much they value these services, and whether the regulations are worth it not to have them, or to have watere
by Nifty3929 3mo ago
Yes, exactly! Also forced EU voters to consider how much they value these services, and whether the regulations are worth it not to have them, or to have watered down versions of them. I say this without judgment - I see it as a legitimate area of consideration.
I think the worst is hugely impactful laws for which exceptions are constantly carved out so nobody can truly evaluate whether the law/reg is a good one or not.
- slekker 3mo agoI value them a lot, happy that the EU didnt bend down to Apple. If it werent for the EU, the companies would get away with all sorts of shit. Is as if people forget companies are evil by nature and will fuck you any chance they get.
- thesmtsolver2 3mo agoMeanwhile: EU pushing to snoop on private chats and US companies are pushing back.
- junto 3mo agoWhere do you think that lobbying money is coming from?
- viktorcode 3mo agoI'm curios what kind of shit specifically DMCA protects you from?
- wtb04 3mo agoI think you mean DMA, not DMCA. DMCA mostly protects copyright holders. DMA is about protecting users and competitors from platform lock-in. Bending for Apple would just make that lock-in harder to challenge.
- duskwuff 3mo agoDMCA provides some rather important protection for service providers (including small-scale services like web forums, not just ISPs and web hosts) - it makes them not liable for copyright violations by their users, so long as they take down infringing content upon receipt of a DMCA notice. But I agree, that's probably not what OP meant.
- krzyk 3mo agoDoesn't "DMCA", make, well, the DMCA notice a thing?
- duskwuff 3mo agoPrecisely. What it replaced was rightsholders suing web services (like a forum or web host) as a first resort, which was a much more cumbersome and painful process for all parties.
- krzyk 3mo agoIf it was more painful for the suing party, it was a good thing. Now all it needs is send some letter to github and they take down content, no questions asked, how is that better? It is for court to decide.
- duskwuff 3mo ago> If it was more painful for the suing party, it was a good thing. It's a lot easier for a large plaintiff - like a record label, a movie studio, or a software publisher - to file a lawsuit than it is for a small defendant like a web site operator to defend against one.
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- customguy 3mo agohttps://block81.com/blog/why-most-websites-dont-actually-need-cookie-consent-banners https://block81.com/blog/why-most-websites-dont-actually-nee... That's been true from day one. So the question is, did you come up with the FUD yourself, or did you believe someone else?
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- remus 3mo agoI totally agree cookie banners are awful, but you could equally lay the blame at the foot of website owners who are so keen to track your movements across the web that they'll layer this awful UX on their users. No tracking cookies => no cookie banners.
- Andrew_nenakhov 3mo agoIn reality, website who don't have any tracking cookies, still hang this banner just in case someone would start harrassing them.
- troupo 3mo ago"Let's discuss how countries should bend their knee before supranational corporations"
- burnte 3mo agoGovernment and corporations are natural enemies, they are two halves of an ecosystem that must be maintained in balance. This is a good thing.
- shykes 3mo ago> Also forced EU voters to consider how much they value these services It's been a while since I left Europe, and I'm rusty on that particular layer of civics. Do EU voters actually have a say in this kind of regulation? Or is it all decided on the executive side which is only accountable to member states and not to individual citizens?
- Danox 3mo agoThe lawyers and the politicians make the decisions. You really don’t think it’s the common man or woman. So there’s a year or two year tape delay.
- christkv 3mo agoNone. The EU is getting more and more un democratic by the year. More power centralized in the bureaucracy vis regulations and other mechanisms.
- solid_fuel 3mo agoYou have anything to back up that claim, or is it just knee-jerk drivel with no evidence based on your feelings and distrust of scary government bureaucrats?
- Saline9515 3mo agoWhy is chatcontrol being pushed every year by the european commission, while people and their representatives are in majority against it? Besides given the amount of lobbying in the EU institutions, it's obvious that citizens don't have a chance against corpos with infinite money.
- Muromec 3mo agoBecause puritans gonna puritan and security services want to read your comms. That's like any day of the week everywhere since forever.
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- redviperpt 3mo agoEU "voters" don't get a say in any of this.
- yxhuvud 3mo agoWhat are you talking about, DMA has passed in the parliament.
- Saline9515 3mo agoThe parliament doesn't get to choose the laws it has to vote. The parliament can't repell a law, and doesn't hold the pen during negociations.
- burnte 3mo agoSo the laws that Parliament votes on just appear in session magically? They're not written by EU citizens and politicians?
- Muromec 3mo agoIt's a bit complicated to feed more stability into the system, but then this gets hijacked by national governments as an excuse to never take any blame for any shit that follows. Everything good is us, sovereign entities and all that is bad is always the other people in Brussels. Even zo the people in Brussels are mostly deputies of the same people or just themselves, but 26x.
- Saline9515 3mo agoIt's not true, the Parliament can't choose the laws it has to vote on. All negotiations are done behind closed doors, in a truly democratic and transparent manner, that allows us to lecture the rest of the world on how to govern.
- Muromec 3mo ago
- pjmlp 3mo agoAs EU voter, I couldn't care less that Apple behaves like a spoiled brat when it comes to following laws it doesn't like, it is one customer they will never get. I only use Apple hardware that is project assigned to me, my household is Apple free. In fact, this applies to every single company that thinks they should control governments and not the other way around.