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This is deeply disturbing. The terrible, incoherent messaging and strategy around the Iran war (unapproved by Congress) is connected. This is an administration

This is deeply disturbing. The terrible, incoherent messaging and strategy around the Iran war (unapproved by Congress) is connected. This is an administration that is seeking less freedom, not more. What entity would sue on behalf of the ombudsman?

deepsun 4mo ago
It cannot be "unapproved by Congress". A US president does not have authority to start a war, Congress has, according to Constitution. The president only serves as a Commander in Chief. So at any point Congress can stop any military action issuing an immediate ruling preventing the president doing anything. If our congressmen don't do that it means they approve it. It's our, USA, war, not Trump's war. Because we elected the congressmen.
- deleted 4mo ago
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- xnx 4mo ago
  > If our congressmen don't do that it means they approve it. These needs to be repeated everywhere until people understand it. Same situation with tariffs.
  - voidfunc 4mo ago
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    - DiabloD3 4mo ago
      Unfortunately, there seems to be no proof he actually won the popular vote. Trump has admitted openly that he won due to mass tampering with voting machines, and thanked Elon Musk for his help. Your analogy falls apart.
      - ozlikethewizard 4mo ago
        Citation needed. You lot elected him before, seems likely you elected him again. Pretended he won by cheating instead of because your democracy is in dire need of a refit will do little but alloallow the next facists to win as well.
        HerbManic 4mo ago
        Not OP. I believe it is from folks like this. It is compelling but it can also difficult to pin down the exact details. They rely mostly on statistics based oddities. I do appreciate that they are not interested in over throwing the 2024 election, just ensure that any possible gaps are covered for future elections. > The Election Truth Alliance is initiating a call for hand counts of paper voting records associated with the 2024 U.S. General Election, and is advocating for full hand counts prior to certification for all future U.S. elections. https://electiontruthalliance.org/ https://electiontruthalliance.org/
    - Hikikomori 4mo ago
      Did they? Or did Trump say no more wars?
    - NDlurker 4mo ago
      Trump had 2,284,967 more votes than Harris. 77,302,580 people voted for him. That's not a huge majority of people.
      - tzs 4mo ago
        It is not even a majority. It was just a plurality.
        voidfunc 4mo ago
        People who didn't vote are effectively votes for whoever wins. All the non-voters need to be counted towards Trump's victory number. It's a huge majority.
        NDlurker 4mo ago
        I voted for Harris but I live in North Dakota, so because of the electoral college, my vote didn't count. I'll be voting 3rd party for all presidential elections from now on
    - watwut 4mo ago
      How come this logic does not apply to democratic politicians? Why is it that them winning election by small margin does not imply that everything they do is good and legit for conservative people like you?
    - piva00 4mo ago
      As far as I understand the US president is not a king that governs by decree, there's a whole other branch of government also elected to represent the will of the people, a branch where negotiations, debates, voting takes place to determine how the country should be. People voted for Trump which had as one of its key promises during election "no more wars", perhaps it's ok that the another branch of government stop something which people didn't vote for?
- AlexCoventry 4mo ago
  Yes, if this turns into a mass famine/deindustrialization, Americans are going to own it the way Germans owned the holocaust.
  - LNSY 4mo ago
    We've already taken 600,000 lives by being complicit with foreign national Elon Musk's genocide in Africa. Most of them children.
    - m00x 4mo ago
      what are you talking about
      - boromisp 4mo ago
        They are probably talking about claims like this: https://www.doge-impact.org/ https://www.doge-impact.org/
    - logicchains 4mo ago
      It's not genocide to stop handouts to the third world. It's genocide to go around murdering white farmers in mass to take their land, as is happening now in South Africa and previously happened in Zimbabwe.
      - actionfromafar 4mo ago
        Yes, I saw it too on Pravda Sozial.
  - voidfunc 4mo ago
    The Germans owned the holocaust because they lost WW2 and afterwards became a vassal state of the Allies and later just the US. History is written by the victors.
    - rswail 4mo ago
- user3939382 4mo ago
  They passed a bill saying in 60 days stop without further approval. Admin said days we don’t attack dont count toward the 60…
  - jauntywundrkind 4mo ago
    Congress voted to stop counting days to allow the tariffs to keep going without having to actually act on it! Congress overruled time passing. These people are fundamentally breakers of reality, aren't just unserious: they are anti serious. RFK and all of this is a perpetrated act to be grossly anti reality, to defy all reason. No reality supports any of what's happening, there's no reality where any of that GOP agenda can win, so they have declared war on reality. https://www.ntu.org/publications/detail/congress-should-not-redefine-calendar-day-to-avoid-tariff-vote https://www.ntu.org/publications/detail/congress-should-not-... This stopped being alternate realities a while ago, as it became a collective project to form anti-realities.
    - jasomill 4mo ago
      “Reality has a well-known liberal bias.” — Stephen Colbert, 2006 https://www.c-span.org/clip/white-house-event/user-clip-stephen-colbert-at-the-2006-white-house-correspondents-dinner/5154867 https://www.c-span.org/clip/white-house-event/user-clip-step...
Terr_ 4mo ago
> What entity would sue on behalf of the ombudsman? What entity could? Most of the unprecedented madness of the last few years boils down to: 1. The President does something flagrantly illegal. 2. The remedy is Congress impeaching and removing the President from office. 3. Republicans legislators are completely complicit, and have enough votes that #2 doesn't even start to happen. The crimes will continue until something about #3 changes or until #47 finally succumbs to dementia.
- tdeck 4mo ago
  Democratic leadership are also all Zionists who not-so-secretly approved of the war, which is why they stalled the war powers vote until after he attacked. https://capitalandempire.com/p/top-democrats-try-to-stop-vote-that https://capitalandempire.com/p/top-democrats-try-to-stop-vot...
  - benterix 4mo ago
    But if Republicans are Zionists, and Democrats are too, what hope is there for peace in the Middle East? I can understand that Israel's long-time strategy is to keep all their neighborhood in a state of permanent mess so that nobody is strong enough to be an existential threat. But after almost a century, it's clear this is not working.
    - pjc50 4mo ago
      "Make a desert, and call it peace"?
    - tdeck 4mo ago
      The strategy is to do what the US did to native Americans.
- riffraff 4mo ago
  > until #47 finally succumbs to dementia how would that look like? I mean, more than what it looks like now. The man is spouting nonsense every single day.

deepsun 4mo ago

It cannot be "unapproved by Congress". A US president does not have authority to start a war, Congress has, according to Constitution. The president only serves as a Commander in Chief. So at any point Congress can stop any military action issuing an immediate ruling preventing the president doing anything. If our congressmen don't do that it means they approve it. It's our, USA, war, not Trump's war. Because we elected the congressmen.

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xnx 4mo ago
> If our congressmen don't do that it means they approve it. These needs to be repeated everywhere until people understand it. Same situation with tariffs.
- voidfunc 4mo ago
  [flagged]
  - DiabloD3 4mo ago
    Unfortunately, there seems to be no proof he actually won the popular vote. Trump has admitted openly that he won due to mass tampering with voting machines, and thanked Elon Musk for his help. Your analogy falls apart.
    - ozlikethewizard 4mo ago
      Citation needed. You lot elected him before, seems likely you elected him again. Pretended he won by cheating instead of because your democracy is in dire need of a refit will do little but alloallow the next facists to win as well.
      - HerbManic 4mo ago
        Not OP. I believe it is from folks like this. It is compelling but it can also difficult to pin down the exact details. They rely mostly on statistics based oddities. I do appreciate that they are not interested in over throwing the 2024 election, just ensure that any possible gaps are covered for future elections. > The Election Truth Alliance is initiating a call for hand counts of paper voting records associated with the 2024 U.S. General Election, and is advocating for full hand counts prior to certification for all future U.S. elections. https://electiontruthalliance.org/ https://electiontruthalliance.org/
  - Hikikomori 4mo ago
    Did they? Or did Trump say no more wars?
  - NDlurker 4mo ago
    Trump had 2,284,967 more votes than Harris. 77,302,580 people voted for him. That's not a huge majority of people.
    - tzs 4mo ago
      It is not even a majority. It was just a plurality.
      - voidfunc 4mo ago
        People who didn't vote are effectively votes for whoever wins. All the non-voters need to be counted towards Trump's victory number. It's a huge majority.
        NDlurker 4mo ago
        I voted for Harris but I live in North Dakota, so because of the electoral college, my vote didn't count. I'll be voting 3rd party for all presidential elections from now on
  - watwut 4mo ago
    How come this logic does not apply to democratic politicians? Why is it that them winning election by small margin does not imply that everything they do is good and legit for conservative people like you?
  - piva00 4mo ago
    As far as I understand the US president is not a king that governs by decree, there's a whole other branch of government also elected to represent the will of the people, a branch where negotiations, debates, voting takes place to determine how the country should be. People voted for Trump which had as one of its key promises during election "no more wars", perhaps it's ok that the another branch of government stop something which people didn't vote for?
AlexCoventry 4mo ago
Yes, if this turns into a mass famine/deindustrialization, Americans are going to own it the way Germans owned the holocaust.
- LNSY 4mo ago
  We've already taken 600,000 lives by being complicit with foreign national Elon Musk's genocide in Africa. Most of them children.
  - m00x 4mo ago
    what are you talking about
    - boromisp 4mo ago
      They are probably talking about claims like this: https://www.doge-impact.org/ https://www.doge-impact.org/
  - logicchains 4mo ago
    It's not genocide to stop handouts to the third world. It's genocide to go around murdering white farmers in mass to take their land, as is happening now in South Africa and previously happened in Zimbabwe.
    - actionfromafar 4mo ago
      Yes, I saw it too on Pravda Sozial.
- voidfunc 4mo ago
  The Germans owned the holocaust because they lost WW2 and afterwards became a vassal state of the Allies and later just the US. History is written by the victors.
  - rswail 4mo ago
user3939382 4mo ago
They passed a bill saying in 60 days stop without further approval. Admin said days we don’t attack dont count toward the 60…
- jauntywundrkind 4mo ago
  Congress voted to stop counting days to allow the tariffs to keep going without having to actually act on it! Congress overruled time passing. These people are fundamentally breakers of reality, aren't just unserious: they are anti serious. RFK and all of this is a perpetrated act to be grossly anti reality, to defy all reason. No reality supports any of what's happening, there's no reality where any of that GOP agenda can win, so they have declared war on reality. https://www.ntu.org/publications/detail/congress-should-not-redefine-calendar-day-to-avoid-tariff-vote https://www.ntu.org/publications/detail/congress-should-not-... This stopped being alternate realities a while ago, as it became a collective project to form anti-realities.
  - jasomill 4mo ago
    “Reality has a well-known liberal bias.” — Stephen Colbert, 2006 https://www.c-span.org/clip/white-house-event/user-clip-stephen-colbert-at-the-2006-white-house-correspondents-dinner/5154867 https://www.c-span.org/clip/white-house-event/user-clip-step...

Terr_ 4mo ago

> What entity would sue on behalf of the ombudsman? What entity could? Most of the unprecedented madness of the last few years boils down to: 1. The President does something flagrantly illegal. 2. The remedy is Congress impeaching and removing the President from office. 3. Republicans legislators are completely complicit, and have enough votes that #2 doesn't even start to happen. The crimes will continue until something about #3 changes or until #47 finally succumbs to dementia.

tdeck 4mo ago
Democratic leadership are also all Zionists who not-so-secretly approved of the war, which is why they stalled the war powers vote until after he attacked. https://capitalandempire.com/p/top-democrats-try-to-stop-vote-that https://capitalandempire.com/p/top-democrats-try-to-stop-vot...
- benterix 4mo ago
  But if Republicans are Zionists, and Democrats are too, what hope is there for peace in the Middle East? I can understand that Israel's long-time strategy is to keep all their neighborhood in a state of permanent mess so that nobody is strong enough to be an existential threat. But after almost a century, it's clear this is not working.
  - pjc50 4mo ago
    "Make a desert, and call it peace"?
  - tdeck 4mo ago
    The strategy is to do what the US did to native Americans.
riffraff 4mo ago
> until #47 finally succumbs to dementia how would that look like? I mean, more than what it looks like now. The man is spouting nonsense every single day.